Ally? Enemy? Why?

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>>128717323
How can we wake up our leaders?

>>128717323
Pipelines/diplomatic leanings

one screams death to america and the other one wants to destroy the country that screams death to america


the enemy of your enemy is your friend

>>128719310

Oh, mittens...

Mittens no.

Your alliance with the Saudis is the reason your dollar is the world's reserve currency and your country can take on limitless debt and control the interest at which it is paid back.

The dollar used to be backed by gold. For the past 50 years, it is kept propped up by being the only currency that can be used to purchase oil on the world markets. This is so thanks largely to the long-ago US deal with Saudi Arabia, in which the Saudis agreed to sell oil only in US dollars, while the US agreed to support Saudi political and religious projects (of which Al Qaeda and ISIS are outgrowths)..

Countries which tried to break this monopoly, like Iraq (which wanted to sell oil in euros) and Libya (which wanted to sell oil in gold) were ruthlessly destroyed.

>>128717323
If there's ever going to be a military campaign to destroy Saudis and bomb their infrastructure to shit, I'll join it.

None of them are my friends, but I hate Saudi Arabia more. They and Qatar are the biggest exporters of Wahhabism and I would like nothing better than seeing their cities leveled to the ground and the West sharing the spoils brotherly.

>>128720453
>I would like nothing better than seeing their cities leveled to the ground

Calling dibs on Mekka. It needs to be defiled, not destroyed.

>>128720060
But the Saudi's promote Wahhabi's who attack the west. You are speaking the media line but that's not true. Iran does yell DTA but don't practice it. The Saudi's are not my friend !! They lie and pretend to be the wet friend, so they can do what they want.

>>128720198
The US dollar is valuable cause of our economy!!
It's a matter of perception and right now there is nowhere else to go ( Do you trust China ).

one is a threat to Israel
>>128720060
kike

>>128720408
Me to but I would say we take Mecca & Medina, let the roaches come to us. Just destroy their military!

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>>128717323
>the US oppose democracy to stand with dictatorship

lol, modern USA is just a shadow of fromer greatness. There is nothing left from ideological basis this country was founded on.

>>128720453
All the Sunni nations lie to the west then undercut us and promote terror. It is in their interests for a world Caliphate!

>>128720198

I've studied MENA for 6 years, anyone pretending the situation is more complicated than this is stupid.

>>128717323
fuck them all.

>>128721352
Can we change that?
Not a Jew, a Southern white conservative Republican who thinks for himself!
The death of intellectual debate is the death of western society ?

>>128721512
Yea 2 democracies in middle east Iran, and Israel. Could Russia except Israel and help make peace between Israel and Iran? Turkey has become a dictatorship!

>>128721599
? MENA have not heard of it.

>>128721798
>Not a Jew, a Southern white conservative
Kike servant

>>128721599
Googled Middle east & north africa

>>128722151
Stupid people make me sad. we will not get anywhere like that. read a book or something.

>>128721974
Is that even possible?

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>>128722151
at least be funny
Muslims achieve space travel pic related

>>128722530
Good question I guess it is up to them. We in the west will also have to prove it to our Gov. and that we will not put up with them selling us out anymore!

>>128721599
What I find interesting is that the mainstream US public is kept so completely ignorant of the reasons for their country's decades-old, close alliance with the Saudis. As far as I know, this is not something taught in schools down there, nor mentioned by analysts in the media. There has been no attempt at a "PR/propaganda" campaign to educate American citizens about the benefits.

This is a vitally-important alliance for the US, but since the US public doesn't understand why it is important, they could theoretically elect a President who would simply undo it.

What this suggests to me is that the US public actually has pretty much no influence at all on the course of US foreign policy, and that the US Deep State is not worried that their own preferences can be overruled by democratic vote.

>>128722794
Would think of 2 reasons Oil, and working with Sunni's for Israel survival.
Most of US public is brainwashed by media (Iran the great EVIL ) , who attacks us?

>>128721309
Your economy is valuable because of the US dollar. Your total private+public debt is $175,000 per American citizen. The reason you're not in default is because the dollar's status as world reserve currency allows you to control the interest rate at which this is paid back (meaning that it's actually more like tribute than debt, since you keep taking on more and more, and making the interest on it less and less). The reason other countries are forced to go along with financing your spending is because most of them absolutely need to own lots of US dollars in order to buy oil. The reason for that is largely due to the US-Saudi alliance.

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>>128724070
Yea in the 70's interest rate was 14% this limited building new anything.
We owe so much due to welfare !! I do not think this is a good thing. When the check stop the great American chimp out begins!! Oil is cheap right now, money is cheap right now, reallity is expensive. The cost of everything being free will bankrupt us.

>>128717323
Neither is an ally but seeing how Sunni Muslims make up 90% of Muslims and 100% of terrorists in the West, the Saudis are the actual threat.

>>128717323

No, but Iran would be a great ally. It's also an old Indo-European civilization and a rich culture. Also all Islamic terrorism is carried out by Salafists who follow Saudi Salafism. There has never been a single instance of Shi'ite terrorism.

>>128725208
That's not true close to even split. Sunni's 100% terrorist yes.

>>128725400
Don't know if i'd go that far no terrorist. But Shia seem to be more rational. Do come from a civilization Persia.

>>128717323
Sunni and shia have been always enemies and always will be, non of them will rest unless the other is completely wiped from earth

>>128717323
>one gives us oil
>one gives us grief

you're welcome

>>128727424
What has Iran done since 1980. The media line!!

>>128717323
One buys and sells trillions of dollars of goods with your country and the other doesn't.

>>128719310
KITTIES ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>128717323
Iran is ally. This country is more adequate and it can influence good in Caucas.

>>128728197
Pre 1979 we sold to both
1973 Opec stopped selling us oil cause Israel
Think for yourself not telling you what to think just to think for yourself.

>>128728461
How about the Middle East where terror comes from. Your point is valid to Russia. I am thinking more globally

>>128720453
I just watched a news about Quatar and saw that some women in this country even don't wear hijab.

So it's obivious which country is more adequate.

Honestly Saudi Arabia deserve sanctions more.

>>128721090
>but don't practice it
how cucked can you be? also stop regurgitating this meme about wahaabism, virtually all muslims are the problem

>>128728647
It's Putin's fault, he can let them to be colonised or even occupied by China and everybody in Russia will support it, but he does another business.

>>128720060

The former is what the Jews clamour to be...the latter is what they falsely claim to be.

It's sad to see people totally unable to see the big picture in geopolitics

must be a lack of intelligence

>>128728686
>implying than protestants are not

Only protestants didn't mix up with the territories that they colonised.

Polans mixed with finns in Russia, spanish and portugal people mixed with indians in south america and only anglos didn't do this.

Only protestants are fucked by evolution theory's question.

And etc

You country even now is trying to froce everyone speak English, but it's not very easy for us and most people will never speak good if they didn't learn your language from the childhood like I did

And even I heard English just like a nonsense speak like Simlish before 18

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>>128728686
Thank you for buying the media line propaganda .
Maybe all Islam is cancer!

>>128717323
SA duh. Without them the petrol dollar is fucked and without it USA is fucked.

>>128728964
plenty of people can see the big picture. it's morality vs money, and the US chooses money every time

>>128728964
t. Samir

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>>128729762
All this talk of Petro Dollar, yes the world runs on gas. Now they need our weapons, and food more than the US needs their oil. Europe needs Saudi oil. China needs Saudi oil.

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>>128719310
>>128719506
>>128720060
>>128720198
>>128720408

>>128717323
America has a raging hardon for Semitic people, Saudis are Semitic like Jews , Iranians are aryan.... need more ne said.

>>128731133
It's not about the petrol it's about the dollar. Our currency is not fiat, it's backed by oil. SA is one of the biggest oil producers in the world. They sell their oil EXCLUSIVELY for USD. Anyone who wants to buy oil MUST BUY USD first. Anyone who wants to oppose petrol dollar gets rekt. Saddam wanted to sell oil for eurobucks.

>>128731255
That's BS we went off gold standard in 1933.
Second part more true. what will bankrupt US is welfare and social programs. Thx POTUS Johnson and Obama. Dollar strengh based on economy and perception, same with stocks.

Ultimately Islam is the enemy of mankind. When we deal in foreign affairs we deal with their government which may or may not be Sharia, or the extent is not as far as can be. Deceiving kafirs is a part of Islamic doctrine so only actions can tell whether they are acting as a secular or a Sharia state. We should deal with this issue first as the Sharia is incompatible with Western civilisation on any legal or moral basis. To Islam the unbeliever is a Kafir, or Kuffur, and can be decieved. Kafirs are to be subjugated and humiliated. As secular countries, our foreign policy on dealing as what we are determined by Islam as Kafirs to a Sharia governed country.

>>128731912
By your logic Russia and Iran could sell oil in what ever currency they want. China is working with countries to trade in Yuan. Most countries sell in dollars because it is stable. In 2008 Euro lost 35% it's value.

>>128720060
Maxim 29: 29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

>>128733528
Would like to reevaluate the Iran is our enemy.
Sunni's are our enemy!

>>128722794

I mean, when has it ever been? I don't think the average American knows how many wars they're in currently. None of them have been talked about let alone voted on.

>>128732976
And Russia is being destabilized (sanctions) and proxy warred (Ukraine, Georgia) for that very reason. The drum beat for war in the 2005-2008 period against Iran was very high, trying to make them back down on the Petro-dollar. The 'pivot to asia ' is a failed containment of China.
Basically the petro dollar is fucked, but its a slow motion train wreck taking decades.
OZ PM at a naval conference in SE Asia that the locals have to band together because there will be no great power protection.
The arms build up by Worst Korea, Shit Posters and Nips is quiet but real. Malaysia Stronk, Sings and Vietnam are also adding to their naval and air forces.
Basically the long term planners expect war in the South China Sea before 2030 and they don't trust America to still be effective.

>>128734058
Sunnis and Shia are enemies. Its a racial thing, every race has its own variant of a major religion.

Church of England.
Lutheran.
Coptic.
Greek Orthodox,
Russian Orthodox.
1001 versions of Southern Baptist.
The Kirk.
Roman Catholic.
Shekelism.
Shia
Sunni
Alawite

Have to make sure the head of church says gods on our side when we go to war, so we all have our own church.

Anyway, just because they hate each other, does not mean in any way that they are our friends.

>>128734979
Also don't forget that Saudis can drop their oil prices for a wile influencing the whole market. A third of Russian GDP is oil/gas. When oil prices drop the ruble loses value. Also the can fuck with Russia by getting her b& from S.W.I.F.T.

>>128735654
And Iran fucked with the Sauds by sinking Swift.
Proving once again that aluminum is not for warships.
I get your point though.

>>128735654
Already being done. Russia could cut off Europe, in winter that would destablise the market. Europe would be better served to make nice with Russia than Saudi's (I think).

>>128720198
Lol ok Ron Paul

The logical choice obviously Iran, it's not even up for debate.

The choice for business though is Saudi, our foreign policy will reflect anything pertaining to big business.

>>128734058
They're both our enemies, no saracen is a friend of the west.

>>128717323
TFW Saudis and their allies are scum, their leaders praise ours to their faces while funding jihadists behind their backs. Their endgame is a global caliphate, the Sunni alliance needs to be destroyed. We can make a temporary alliance with the Iranians like we did with the Soviets in WW2 and go back to being enemies after.

>>128729244
I'm sorry if it hurts, it's my own opinion, also I even respect anglos, but it's a fact.

>>128736739
That is a valid argument I give you credit. Wish more people used their mind.
At what point does our children overpower I quest for $$$ / oil?

>>128720060
>hands rubbing together

>>128717323
None. The other promotes Wahhabism and Salafism. The other side promotes Khomeinism and Wilayat Al Faqih.

>>128737375
Exactally my point on Sunni's
I would like to give Iran a chance, where they lose their minds at some point we would deal with them then, also Russia could be helpful.

>>128738172
Wahhabi's are the terrorist in Europe and US, that means you or your lleaders. Their are a lot of Shia in Arabian Peninsula !

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>>128731255
This guy knew what was up.

Also, check out the image on the left and see how the most heavily "in debt" countries (unfortunately, this graphic is a bit outdated and seems to only mention public federal debt, not private or provincial/municipal, but one still gets the idea) tend to be America's closest allies, while the countries with the least debt (on the margins) such as Russia, China, Iran, tend to be either US enemies or neutral.

The high interest rates which one would expect to be present in the most indebted countries, instead get shifted to countries which are in much better financial shape, objectively speaking, and which have little debt.

>>128738265
Even the Baathist Syrians, an SAA, Iran, Russia, US alliance. The Saudis and Egyptians would shit themselves and the days of wahhabist terrorist attacks would be over.

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>>128717323
Neither, this is /OurAlly/.

Iran allows women to drive and Churches (plus Synagogues) to exist. Saudi has more oil .

>>128738926
Lets try that the other ain't working
Been saying the same thing here for days

Enemy, of course. The fact that you even need to ask is astounding.

Saudia is sunni-wahabi.
Iran is shiite.
They hate eachother and like Russia and America in the cold war, both fight for countries which they influence. Only not in a cold war, but with weapons and terrorists and thousands of victims.

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>>128720060
Yes, because Iran has a history of backing militias and terrorists organisations that attacks the west and whose whole aim is to conquer the west and establish a caliphate. Not to mention funding Islamic organisations that have become a hotbed of extremism in the west.
Go fuck itself kike.

>>128724070
Why does being the reserve currency mean we control the interest rate?

And why does other countries buying oil with USD benefit us?

These are probably stupid questions but I don't know much about economics and I've never really looked into this.

>>128739703
Iran backs Hezbala and Syria. These organizations attack Israel, can Israel make peace with Iran? If we realign with Russia, Syria, and Iran can we get Israel on board. These views are going to shake things up for sure. Iran Does not attack US or Europe..

>>128739550
The only people problem with your theory is that only one of those countries actually support terrorists

>>128740282
This, Iranians are peaceful towards the west. That being said, they still can't be trusted simply because they're saracens.

>>128717323
Yesterday, I read a comment that if you have 3 Arabs, you'll have 5 (doublecrosses- I forget the word used). Like Jews, Arabs are treacherous by nature and can't be trusted.
Persians are not Arabs.

We've meddled in and screwed Iran (in concert with the UK) multiple times.

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>>128720198
/thread
Saudis could openly support ISIS and take the blame for 9/11 and US still wouldn't brake an alliance with them.

>>128740050
First question: The interest rate is set by US Gov to limit inflation and create an enviroment for growth. Not to do with reserve but to keep dollar strong and stable.
Second question: Some would say it makes $$$ the reserve currency. I would say stability make $$$ reserve currency.

>>128740513
True bump
How can we change Gov view?

>>128740732
I'm in US , think Gov is wrong. Would like to see an alliance with Russia, Syria, Iran, Israel. Oil not worth kids / little girls damb goat fuckers.

>>128740282 #
I don't see anything wrong with Iran supporting groups that are defending Shias and Christians from Sunni Wahhabi terrorists and Zionist expansionist scum. They don't attack our countries or have any plans to brainwash their diaspora to attack us, we shouldn't attack them. People who criticize Hezbollah for attacking Israel assume that Israeli's are angels who dindu nuffin.

>>128739127

So...Iran?

>>128741451
bump
Iran / Israel play back an forth that is all

>>128740732
you forgot the tolerance, in Iran there are more regions living and prospering in peace then in saudi arbia witch is a Diktatur.

Show me a christian church in iran and then one in saudi arbia.
Show me a juden in iran and one in saudi arbia.

>>128741735
bump \
bunch of Jews in Iran IDK about Christians
Last I heard Mohammed killed all the Jews in Saudi Arabia and Christians only in work facilities.

>>128719310
That eagle is about to get rekt. Cats eat birds. Plus the bird probably has nukes that we let it develop, fuck him man.

>>128742007
Iran has close relations with Armenia and even has a few Armenian mps. About a quarter offal million Armenians live in Iran

>>128722794
It's harder for people to see the inner workings of the Empire when they lie inside it.

>>128724070
So why doesn't someone short America? I agree with all that you've said, but it seems to me like it'd be a good idea to be ahead of the collapse that appears inevitable anyway. Is it really just a game of stretching faith and ignorance as far as possible until that happens? The high they get from power blinding them?

>>128740050
Countries that have a trade deficit or continuing large govt. deficits see their currency collapse in value after a while. In the last 30 years the Australian dollar has been as high as 1.2 USD to AUD and as low as 53 cents USD to AUD.
In my life the British Pound has collapsed, OZ & NZ dollar, Japanese Yen, Argentine Peso, just about every minor country. The Euro would have broken up in 2009 except for the stripping of value form German pensioners to bail out Greece.
To force the value of their currencies up (thus making essential imports such as USD oil if not affordable, at least obtainable) they then uniformly jacked up interest rates to ursury levels so that overseas USD holders would lend them big return out weighs risk.
This of course fucks the local economy. I remember 18% home loan rates.
Because the US prints dollars to buy its crap from overseas, and other countries have to have USD to buy oil, it doesn't get caught in that vice. It can set an amazingly low official interest rate 1% or what ever it currently is, and still have other countries trade and swap currencies without crashing the dollar.

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>>128742377
Don't like the nuke thing myself. Is the west going too go to war with every nation that wants them. We gave Israel fuel for reactor, then they used Plutonium from it to make their bomb. Pot calling the kettle black. We have to treat other fairly if we want the same.

>>128729244
English is the superior language though. No other language can match our greatest writers, poets, or musicians because the language is fantastically flexible and easy to update. Sure it's hard to learn and use masterfully, astrophysics is hard too but more rewarding than astrology. I don't think anyone is being forced to learn it any more than they're forced to learn any other subject, its just ubiquitous due to the tech our English speaking nations conceptualized and developed. What has been conceptualized and given to mankind in your native tongue? No use in me learning russian, spanish, etc when y'all can just pick the dominant language and learn it if you want a seat at the table.

>>128743122
Back to the oil dollar thing, the last major adjustment to rate on $$ was in 1973 because of oil. They also found out corn & wheat can go up 4x.
The next adjustment will be because all the $$ we have been printing and quantitative easing since 2008 ( buying Gov bonds ) means we will have to not print money in future. Answer Inflation !!

>>128739127
no one in the middle east is an ally

>>128740050
Explained in some more detail here:
https://dailyreckoning.com/u-s-saudi-relations-cracking-petrodollar/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret

Usually when a country prints more and more money, inflation is the result. In the case of a currency which is the only one that can buy oil, it will keep being in demand as long as the world at large keeps needing more and more oil, regardless of how healthy the economy of the country that prints it is.

>>128743090
2030s is when I could see the US economy going to shit. By then, China would the undisputed economic superpower, and the Chinese will try to eat away US dominance in the middle east and will try to make their currency the reserve currency for the world. 2030s will be very interesting from a geopolitical point of view

>>128736739
If it's not up for debate can you at least offer an explanation? I don't see why either should be our ally long term.

>>128717323
Because we have Saudi Arabia by the nose with the petrodollar. Iran refused to fall in line with American interests and then outright defied us back in the 1980's. We don't give a shit about anybody's values, so long as they maintain the status quo.

>>128743122
This is a good explanation.

>>128740282
What about the 1979 hostage crisis and when they captured our sailors and videotaped them recently? And holding us responsible for paying them a debt owed to the Shah that they violently deposed? Its no 9/11 but they're not angels of benevolence to the west either.

>>128745506
They let them go both times.We have kept them from doing business in world economy. Their not blowing us up. You would never know that from watching the news in US.

>>128744633
Don't kid yourself, Spanish and French speakers once believed the same thing (and if you go further back, Arabs, Romans, Greeks...). Why do you think English is called "lingua franca"? While there ARE differences in how languages make people think (those who doubt this should read Daniel Everett's "Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes"), all of the languages you mention are perfectly capable of carrying the burden of maintaining global civilization if needed, and if they're lacking some specialized scientific terms, could quickly catch up.

English has the benefit of comparatively very simple grammar and the hindrance of a comparatively very confusing, illogical spelling system (not nearly as bad as the Chinese or Japanese ones, though)

>>128745191
You use "we" and "us" as if you belong to the same group of globalists who made those decisions. It wasn't for your or my interest that these policies were pursued, clearly. What is wrong about Iran opposing it, and what is right about S.A. rolling over?

>>128746124
>they let them go

It doesn't make what they've done multiple times not aggression! You said they don't attack westerners but this is clearly not peaceful behavior. The problem is in the force they initiated, not the end result. Sanctions are evil and ineffective, you're right on that.

>>128746702
There were reasons for 1979, and maybe for sailors (were they in Iranian waters?). We didn't get on Saddam when he gassed Iranians. It is just politics of perception. IDK if we tried to make peace with them they would be cool, only that I would like to try. KSA does work against our interests!

>>128746247
I understand that other languages could suffice, but can you show me a French equivalent to Shakespeare? A spanish Beatles? Arabian Mark Twain? You're not paying attention to how uniquely poetic English can be without redundancy precisely because it's an unconventional bastard frankenstein language. As far as synonyms and alternate phrases, and the way syllables, rhymes, and syntax can be played with English just has more options for expressing the same idea or many at once which is more freedom to think with once mastered. I'll check that book though, sounds interesting.

>>128745506
USS Vincennes shot down a civilian Iranian jet liner.
US encouraged Saddam to attack Iran, 200,000 dead Iranians.
US sank Iranian navy in Operation Praying Mantis.
The US govts. hands are not clean and the Persians have long memories.

>>128746702
Well to be fair, preceding the hostage crisis and the fall of the Shah, Iran was a US vassal state that had no sovereignty and was lead by a puppet king. Iranians were understandably angry and perhaps used the hostage situation as pay back. No one was hurt.

>>128747532
Aggression of either side isn't ok. You're right, it is perception. That's why I won't be mislead by someone claiming that they have been peaceful toward the west when they haven't. It doesn't mean we should keep fucking with them but it's still the truth you omitted.

>>128717323
I wish none of them were our fucking allies. I'd rather we fund a five way free-for-all between Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia for our amusement. We congratulate the winner and then just glass the entire fucking region. I'm talking South West Asia, the Middle East and North Africa.

>>128720408
There's one, it's carried out by the Houthis.

>>128747532
Yes, the US sailors were in riverine patrol boats, on the open ocean, with inadequate fuel and broken nav gear.They were well inside Iranian territorial waters when they were stopped - an armed force of an enemy power invading Iranian territory. The Iranians were within their rights to fire upon them. They didn't, instead they embarrassed the Americans on international TV.

>>128747991
>>128748079
These are not valid reasons to terrorize and take hostage innocent civilians who had no control over Washington. If DC wasn't involved over there it would've never happened, but to pretend that Iran is justified is ludicrous. I'd rather let bygones be bygones though, sick of this convolution of foreign policy.

>>128748130
They don't do terrorism to US. Nobody is without sin in this I agree. Could go with none of them allies as long as none of them here US.
Got to add Russia to your free for all, and Pakis have nukes. That would also bring India in quickly out of control. My alliance would be Iran, Russia, USA, Israel, And Syria, EU can play to if they want. All the others would be scared to death of that.

>>128748399
Real aggression was sending Muqtada al-Sadr back to Iran in 2003 and backing his Mahdi Army to fight the occupation forces.

>>128748399
They embarrassed us that is all, they didn't cut off their heads.

>>128748130
>w-why can't we all be frienz!
For a country that has suffered for decades because of US sanctions, regional wars that was instigated by US allies who were probably taking orders from Washington, and mire half a century of being a US vassal state, what Iran did was pretty tame. Wars and genocides were started for less. Not even shilling for Iran. I have to admit that they've been pretty civilised considering the damage he US has done to Iran over the last century.

>>128749035
Also the Lebanese hostage crisis & marine corps barracks bombing in the 80s was an attempt to draw US forces into battle away from Iran and humiliate the government.

>>128749407
They might even forgive us if after the destruction of the Kingdom they gained control of Mecca & Medina. They have acted pretty tame for all we have done. Shia now control Iraq thx to US.

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I long for the day that we realize having so much at stake in these conflicts with countries that aren't ours isn't at all in our best interest.

>>128717323
both are enemies, so is israel

>>128717323
Saudis:

>fake muslims who only care about money
>hate Muslim Brotherhood, Qatar and ISIS
>ally of the west

Iran:

>radical islamic theocracy
>supports global terrorism
>sworn enemy of the west

It is a no-brainer, really. I don't know why so many right-wingers and alt-righters adopted the leftist meme of Iran dindu nuffin, lately.

>>128749407
I don't want to be friends or enemies jackass, we should all leave eachother be. They have no power, their tameness was out of survival, not virtue or civility. It's only our governments that have beef, Iranian civilians shouldn't die for it from sanctions and American civilians shouldn't be aggressed upon. If you're not shilling for Iran then shut up, I've never denied that there are motivations for their actions In just saying neither side has been justified in most of their actions. This shouldn't be so controversial to you.

>>128750533
First part all false , fake ally
Second part True theocracy, what Proof, They scream it but don't do it ( Israel a different question Hezbala ).