Conscription

>>128702190
Or maybe you should quit your stupid job so you stop feeding niggers and terrorists with your tax dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPmBNQsJTGo

>>128702190
As a combat vet, I support your suggestion.

Fucking leaf.

>>128702190
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Military_Training_Camp

>>128702862
Fighting for Israel, right?

>It'll teach you all not to be parasitic NEETs.
We still have parasitic NEETs despite having conscription

>>128702190
I've done 18 months of conscription in Norway, protecting the Norwegian-Russian border.

AMA.

>>128702862
Gimme a stress card. Laminated.

>>128702954
Look faget. Every country needs a military. It doesn't matter how corrupt the government is.

What is the alternative? Being a fat insecure dipshit working at a gas station or an office? Waiting for the economy to collapse again? You are no better than the laziest pog in any army of the world.

>>128702190


I believe we had this same thread a month or two ago, I'll just sum up what I said last time:


Conscription does not breed happy service members, you'll end up with a bunch of barely trained men. When I was in Korea and (shortly) in Singapore, I was given 2-3 Airmen/Soldiers to follow me, just from seeing and hearing their stories, seeing first hand how awful they're paid (ROK barely pays their men enough for a pack of smokes a day) it does nothing to motivate them to want to keep on with the life style. You can argue it being a must of SK and SG given how close their greatest enemies are, but that's another story.


Unless you're also going to provide special benefits to those who do get in and do their special, you're fucking yourself over.
t. Air Force LT
>>128702862


As a 'combat vet', your vote for yes seems weird. FWIW I did 1 tour in Afghanistan.

>>128702190
I would gladly serve the military of a white ethnostate. But no thanks, (((liberal democracy))) can die in a hole, and I won't be in there with it when it does.

>>128703586
The average person needs a good kick in the teeth from reality himself.

>>128702190
>It'll teach you all not to be parasitic NEETs.
They'll just become REMFs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpgPD5M9AJs

>>128702954
>>128703361
I'll take that as a yes. You're part of the problem. You destroyed Europe by displacing entire populations. You killed the golden boy Gadhafi. You let niggers flood into the 1st world. The blood of Europe is on your hands.

>>128702190
Take away the female vote and we'll talk.

Why should I be forced to serve while a bunch of woman get the same rights and can vote for a war they will never have to fight in?

>>128703806
Yea? You don't think it was going to happen anyway? I don't see you assassinating any world leaders. You talk a big game but you never did shit.

>>128702190
Yeah 2 years of hard work serving refugees, no thanks.

>>128703806
??? the europeans bombed ghaddafi and they opened their gates willingly.

As long as you get a university level qualification from conscription and no debt.
People would go for that.

>>128703020
This desu, most parasitic neets just avoid conscription by claiming thay are ill or insane.

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Democrat here. Pacific Northwest.
You're a fool if you think progressives aren't armed. Shit man a lot of us served. Those of us who haven't have family who have, family in law enforcement, and so on. I've hunted and gutted deer. I've slaughtered squirrel in potato fields. I've fought. I've wrestled. I used to skate and I've broken so many bones I've literally lost count and walked half of them off. And there's nothing special or exceptional about me. You're a fool if you don't think progressives are formidable. For every straw man pic you have of a faggy liberal I have a pic of a fat virgin beta orbiter with a weak stance who still flinches when he fires. I don't presume that the alt right is not formidable. I grew up surrounded by the tea party before they became the tea party. I know what they can do. I've hunted with them. But that's what's funny about these neolibertarian pseudofascists. They assume they're the toughest guys in the world and everyone else is soft. That's why they keep losing wars. The south loses. Every time they flex. Progressives are ruthless when cornered. We burned Atlanta to the ground and used rape as a weapon of mass psychological operation, disrupted troops and marched right up to Jefferson Davis front door. We designed a bomb that destroyed entire cities, then we upgraded it. We invented remote control flying guns and remote control bombers.. Don't fuck with us. The south will rise again? Fine. We'll put em down again.

>>128703945
You're a fucking idiot. Have fun remembering how you bravely fought for Jewish interests while the rest of the white world died because of your actions.

>>128704293
Talk talk talk. Keep talking. Nothing will change faget.

>>128704128
You're a liar.
Foreign involvement
United States
Further information: American involvement in the 2011 Libyan Civil War

Moments after it was reported that Gaddafi was killed, Fox News published an article titled "U.S. Drone Involved in Final Qaddafi Strike, as Obama Heralds Regime's 'End'",[47] noting that a U.S. Predator drone was involved in the airstrike on Gaddafi's convoy in the moments before his death. An anonymous US official subsequently described their policy in hindsight as "lead[ing] from behind".[48]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Muammar_Gaddafi

No conscription = best countries
>USA
>UK
>Rome

Conscription = shit countries
>Israel
>Soviet Union
>Confederate states of cuck and failure

>>128704450
Not an argument. You can't even defend yourself from my accusations, you know you can't. You're just a stupid grunt, and you know I'm right.

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how about you dont tell me what to do you little faggot

you deserve to be conscripted in muslim land till ur dead for thinking you can force someone to do something like this against their will

>>128702190
In countries where the youth is already half non white ? You are basically offering a fight formation for brown people and a two years bullying for white people. No, thanks.

I would if they'd let me dammit.
Fucking leaf reminding me.

>>128702190
It won't teach shit lad. Unless you mean actual military service in warzones and such.

>>128704533
>Rome
>no conscription
American education strikes again

>>128702190
OR you know, you could try and create a society and government worth fighting for, then you wouldn't need to conscript people

Enlisted Soldiers are the most parasitic and manchild like people you will meet - producing no wealth, being micromanaged like children and cant handle booze responsibly.

To kill the NEETS we simply have to kill the welfare state that keeps them going.

>>128702954
Coward

>>128704787
This. And criminalize their parents who offer them the conditions of their depravation.

>>128702190
Switzerland has conscription, but the army doesn't do anything
People are just sitting around for a year, smoking weed - and if anything, becoming more degenerate

Do you have any idea how much this will cost and how much incentive you'll need to give the conscripts to not dodge the draft?

>>128702190
Conscription vs. Volunteer/Professional army non-debate.

Conscripts are great when you're fending off invaders because during mobilisation you only have to give large part of your reservists some rudimentary training, the rest stayed there from the time they've did their service. As such you have military of 20-something years olds ready to be called to war. They aren't going to be as good as guys who were professional soldiers since they were 18(or even earlier if they were cadets), but they're going to be good enough and you can get 10 times more boots on the ground than you could if you'd have professional army only.

However, when you try to use them as an expeditionary force they're going to fail miserably since you won't send those 20-something years olds since you won't mobilise them, no, you're getting good for nothing 18-19 y o boys to do a man's job.

Which is why countries with huge overseas colonies use professional armies while continental powers rely on conscripts.

>>128704718
Rome moved away from conscripts because they suck as soldiers.

>>128703172
Must have been cold up there.

>>128705408
Israel v Egypt is also another good case study of this

>>128702862
>Combat bet
Lol, probably shot a few rounds in the general direction of a mountain

You post Nam "vets" haven't experienced anything near war

>>128705564
Read this a bit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_army
You will notice that Rome defeated its greatest foes at a time when conscription was in effect.
The only time when there was literally no conscription was the early Roman Empire.

>>128705565
Yes, below zero degrees celsius from October to May. Mostly -20 degrees celsius or colder in December, January, February.

>>128706023
Who drank more vodka, you or Russians over the border?

>>128702190
It will waste time and resources and weaken the military, I don't know why you idiots believe such nonsense.

Some mopey conscript isn't going to change one bit for the better.

>>128706161
Probably the Russians.

>>128705883
Typical condescending response from a nigger Irishman. There's a reason why the English genocided you uppity little leprechaun pricks.

>>128706462
HAHHA GET IT IM A BURGER AND I CALLED THE IRISH GUY A NIGGER GET IT GUYS??? ITS FUNNY RITE??

>>128706731
>triggered

>>128702190

I'm a veteran and living off veterans disability, which makes me a NEET.

Checkmate, consciptards.

>>128702190
No can do you need basic math skills usually i cannot comprehend even basic math

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>>128704237
>Progressives are ruthless when cornered.

PLEASE. STOP. I CAN ONLY LAUGH SO MUCH!!!!!

>>128702190
>It'll teach you all not to be parasitic NEETs.
It destroyed my health and made me unemployable for a decade.

>>128702190
we already have conscription.

>>128706771
Seriously though I've watched countless hours of "combat" footage from Afghanistan and every single time it's just shooting in the general direction of where a shot or two came from. Occasionally they call in air support

>>128706731
The irish republic has never fought a war

Your "military" is more like the peace corps. Sending whites to "help" subhumans.

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>>128702190
>*breaks leg*
>goes back to NEETing

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>>128707093
This guy gets it

>>128706960
>I watched countless hours of Anime, therefore I'm Japanese
Ir*sh rat brains for you.

>>128706990
Too bad I'm applying to West Point so I can kill whoever Uncle Sam tells me

>>128707271
I didn't even say anything close to that analogy

>>128707271
Im 3% japanese so you never know that couldnt be an anomaly right? 23andme test

>>128706960
>it's just shooting in the general direction of where a shot or two came from.

That's how infantry combat has been for that past few hundreds years, you potato nigger.

We have conscription and I only learned evading responsibility, making other people do my work for me and hiding from people who wanted to make me work. Go-getters and volunteers are universally hated in the military

>>128707383
>Past few hundred years
>WWI was barely 100 years ago

>>128702190
I signed up for four months of basic training in the military.
They cancelled my contract due to cutbacks.

>>128707497
>there were no large scale ground wars in the 1800s

Irish education, everyone.

>>128707612

You did what you could. Props to you.

>>128707337
You dumbass combat is not like call of duty.

Look at WW1 or WW2. Most soldiers didn't even fire their weapons at the enemy. Most of the time you would get killed or wounded by enemy artillery, while you're a mile away from the closest enemy soldier.

In modern combat it's much closer. Look at the battle of Fallujah. Soldiers were going inside every single building/home clearing out terrorist. That's pretty fucking close faggot

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>>128702190
I can fucking assure you that universal service won't turn a bunch of pathetic NEETs into Hard Men. Also, the rich and powerful won't have to do it anyway, one way or the other, so it's basically just one more fuck you to the commoners.

>>128707409
Only small countries with larger evil neighbors have conscription. You need it to protect yourselves from Russia. If joined NATO you wouldn't need it. We could help you destroy Russia.

>>128707497
It's an interesting point though, all this hard training and gun stuff to go hiking and try to bait the enemy into shooting at you.

Sounds like an immigrant job to me

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>>128703172
my nigga.

>>128707770
>If joined NATO you wouldn't need it. We could help you destroy Russia.

Only if they meet spending requirements, unlike most freeloading NATO cucks.

>>128707637
That's not what I was implying. You can't even try to put down the Irish education system though. I just came here from Massachusetts and the system here is far harder than there. Considering Mass is one of the best/hardest in the country that says a lot about most other states' education

>>128707685
You seem to know about this stuff, I heard the attrition (death rate) was something like 70% in urban combat. Is this true?

Also I've worked for the gubberment before and everyone was retarded, like.. full retard, so if they said go in x building and shoot. I'd probably shoot the person giving the orders instead, does this happen much in modern combat?

>>128708008
>>128707685

Urban combat is retarded and a lot of good men were killed unnecessarily.

Strategic bombing prevents all that.

>>128707685
Fallujah along with a few others is an exception. I'm just saying that overall America has not faced a real enemy in combat in a long time.

Saddam was swept by airpower in 91 and 03. Armor was used minimally and infantry wasn't even necessary at all until after the regime fell (Fallujah and similar operations)

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>being conscripted to fight for cucks, feminists, homos, turd world immigrants, etc

Finland has conscription and Sweden doesn't. Figure out the rest

>>128708145
>America has not faced a real enemy in combat in a long time.

Coming from a potato nigger that's kinda funny.

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>>128708089
Yeah an A10 strike would be way better imo, fuck I love the A10. Best jet ever, best looking, best gun, best everything.

I like it in green camo with the mouth, like a modern day stuka

>>128708145
You faggot what about Mosul? What about Najaf? What about the entire surge?

The entire war was like that. It didn't stop. The government had areas the military could not touch, thus breeding a hotbed of terrorist with YEARS to build their weapons then one day the white house orders the military to clear out and many men get killed for no reason.

Just like the "holy sites" were off limits so the Mosques would become filled with explosives and weapons and the US military couldn't do shit because it was a "holy site."

>>128708390
>Holder of US Passport
>Midway through West Point Application process
Real potato nigger here

And idk the British Empire and UVF mean anything to you?

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>>128702190
>We need to meme Conscription back into existence.
WW3 soon, fellow NEET. Nuclear weapons will be used.

>>128702190
>a leaf
>knowing anything about combat
Also if you believe in conscription you never read our most holy text, Starship Troopers

>>128704971
Fuck off mate maybe if you choose to do a limp wrist function such as logistics I never got the time to "just sit around for a year"

>>128704971
Clearly has never done anything more than infantry

>>128702190
What if there's a choice between voluntary work and conscription?

>>128708670
I don't know much about Switzerland, would you mind answering a few questions?

Are nationalism/patriotism common?

Are you raped by migrants?

Is the gun culture real?

>>128708422

You'd love it here in Tuscon. They are based here at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base and they are always flying around the city going to and fro the Goldwater Range.

>>128702190
Only if you take women's rights away to go along with our responsibility.

>>128702190
>2 years of hard military service
>It'll teach you all not to be parasitic NEETs

Or on the contrary, it'll fuck you up so much so that you'll become an alcoholic or a junkie. Or even worse.
Just like many Vietnam vets in the US or Afghanistan vets in the ex-USSR.

>>128708808
nationalism not really patriotism more i dont think there are that many swiss people who genuinly do not like switzerland....
Their are a lot of migrants mostly eritreans but its not that much of a problem as in germany or sweden
yes it is especially in more rual communitites but it may change because of the new EU gun laws

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>>128702190
Conscription is for gay betas. Real alpha men don't serve conscription service.
>west
>real alpha me~
Oh wait, never mind, you can proceed.

>>128707770
>>128707856

Finnish politicians are go-getters so they would go above and beyond 2%, but the thing is that joining NATO would piss off Russia and they'd start causing problems for us

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>>128708817
That'd be so cool, next time I'm in the states I'm definitely going to AZ for some training at gun site. I'm thinking of doing their shot gun course cos the Australia n gubberment hates guns.

I actually got a lecture about the evils of gun control from a cop in Washington state once, he was absolutely correct.

https://www.gunsite.com

>>128702190
Fuck that shit. I support having a military and volunteers but forcing me to train for 2 years? No school no job? BS

>>128702190
why should i care about doing anything other than playing video games all day
also
>being forced to fight for the jews

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Actually in a lot of european countries there is a debate to put the military service obligatory again (even in Sweden i heard, here in Italy was abolished in 2005 and now they want to put a 6 months military service back).

I dont think its casual: with these flux of migrants the elite is preparing for a civil war between europeans and africans.

>>128709064
If we moved fast we could get you into NATO before Russia reacted. But wait until after Trump. He's a Russia puppet. He'd sell you to Russia for a penny. Next president in 2020 will protect you.

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>>128707383
>That's how noobs infantry combat has been for that past few hundreds years
fixed for you

>>128702190
doesnt matter your cunt will be consumed by the muslim refugees within next few years anyway so why bother?

>>128709222

Be sure to visit the Pima Air Museum and the Boneyard Tour. I went in February and sat next to an Aussie that was all assblasted by Trump telling off your PM regarding the migrants. He kept saying "We promised to take in Guatemalans!" And I told him that I'd rather take in a million Guatemalans than 1K of Mudslimes. I also told him that it's toughh shit that there's a new Sheriff in town and it wasn't a treaty ratified by the Senate, therefore renegotiable.

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I am too old to get to serve the republicans in their shitty wars

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>>128702360
Day of the Rake can't come soon enough

>>128702190
actually in america it will make you homeless. war on terror vets have been becoming homeless at a faster rate than vietnam vets did.

there is no employer who gives a fuck about service in the military. the college money isnt enough to pay for 1 semester at a real college. and you have no job experience and you were not living in a residence while deployed so your parents are not required to let you stay at their house and legally if you had been a neet it can be from 2 weeks to 4 months depending on the state that they cant throw you out so long as you sleep at the residence every day and they still have to give you a notice of eviction before the clock starts ticking

>>128702190

as a NEET I fully support this

>>128702190
Good goy

>>128709323
The Africans here are pretty shit at crime, I had a group try and mug me the other night.

>Can you show phone, I want to see time

I pulled it out, and dialed 000 (our emergency number) and said "I'm being robbed by 4 African males, at x location"

They got confused, and didn't know what to do, so I walked away quickly, kept emergency services on the phone and then once I was 20 meters away, they all got in a car that randomly appeared and drove off.

Was the weirdest fucking thing, I used to live in Latin America, if they were Latinos I'd have been screwed but.. man.. next level retarded, it'd be a pretty quick war if they went full chimp here. Like playing cs vs bots

>>128709780
>Can you show phone, I want to see time

I would have just pulled out my gun and they would have scattered like the roaches they are.

>>128709643
>there is no employer who gives a fuck about service in the military.
Contractors working with classified information, PMCs, LEAs. Largest problem that military is daycare for adults. People leaving it into real world with no enforced guidance and external discipline can breaking bad.

>>128709417
Bone yard tours!?! Whoa! I thought that was off limits, fuck yeah!!

That sucks re the Aussie, a lot of us are stuck on (((msm))) and become a bit arrogant about it. That rapefugee exchange thing was so dirty, basically our current shit bird prime minister made a deal with Obama to exchange refugees with you guys, post election. I think it was mid or late December.

Anyway, the dirty part was that he was committing trump to take refs after promising 0 more to the public. If he didn't take ours, the (((msm))) was going to say he was upsetting USA/Australia relations.

They know that Australian's and American's are basically sister countries so that was an attempt to make it seem trump was SO bad that he ruined even the unbreakable oz/usa relationship.

So fucking dirty, I couldn't believe our gubberment would do something so slimey as to risk our relations with you cunts to push the (((agenda)))

Woo! USA!

>>128710191
http://www.pimaair.org/tour-boneyard

Yep, they aren't kidding; it does sell out. Get there early because there is a line.

The military is full of fucking drug using degenerates and I regret my time in the CF. Nothing will make you want to become a NEET again like living in fucking gagetown.

>>128709950
In all seriousness, I was drunk as fuck so I had 100% confidence, and I was offended at the notion at muggings occurring here. So I went along with the 'set up'

>2 Africans in front, one at my 6 and another flanking in on my 3 o'clock

I dunno how they botched it, if that happened in Colombia I'd have been fucked.

Anyway, I seriously reached for my imaginary socom .45 that I was imagining in my pants. Felt air and no sweet gun...

>Fuck

Called cops, gtfo.

It was like cheating, they were so fucking dumb. In that down syndrome way, not the overly intoxicated way. If I was America, I'd have pulled my gun out and said "dance!"

>>128710489

Really? That's sad to head. I got to meet quite a few of your guys in the RCAF.

The US military does a lot of random piss tests to kick out the druggies.

>>128702190
FUCK YOU FOR WHAT, our armies help save and transport those migrants you will serve will they fuck up your country the only thing needed is 2nd amendment for all of europe.

Jews control your government so you will do their biding

>>128710727
There are plenty of bases that are fine, and some good guys. I don't know if it's as bad as it was, but like 10 years ago they were only doing anonymous drug testing in gagetown because they literally couldn't deal with the number of guys they'd have to send to correctional barracks.

Being there destroyed the military for me.

>>128709780

I think the problem will be the their number more than their (well know lack of) intelligence.

>>128711491

Oh, I was stationed at Holloman AFb in New Mexico and we had some leafs come through for a few weeks. My base had its own drug problem which greatly added to my disenchantment with the military. In response I did work as an undercover informant.

>>128711661
A10 should defeat any zerg rush, apparently one guy in a kind gunship has kept Sierra Leone stable since the era that blood diamond was portraying

>>128704237
>note: Sherman was a republican
>note: most southern confederates were actually democrats

Really activated my almonds

Is this the kind of revivionist history they teach you northwest best males?

>>128711732
I think drug problems are pretty common on a lot of bases and it's a real fucking shame. Good on you for informing.

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>>128702190
good times

>>128709334

I don't think you understand, military aggression is not the only form of aggression. They have hundreds of thousands of economic migrants from Africa/ME who wish to enter EU and I'm fairly certain they would open the floodgates just to piss us off because we pissed them off. The little trade we have left with the sanctions would also die off.

It's not worth it for Russia to try to conquer Finland, considering every man is a rifleman and we can easily dig in and make it long-lasting war of attrition even after they officially win. Besides, we shouldn't send our men to die in some sandbox because of Jewish interests.

>>128711958
Me and my buddy beat the shit out of some coke heads trashing an historical house one night. They ended up being army guys...surprised the shit out of us especially that we won the fight against them hahah. College was a fucked up time for me.

>>128702190
Sounds like a good idea to me.

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>>128702190
I've done it. Am I a man now?

>>128702190
I agree

>>128702190
Hell yeah
But then some idiot gets into power then millions of young men are sent away never to come back
Great idea op

>>128709323
So do the rag heads get the training to or just Swedish naturals?

>>128702862
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>>128703689
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>>128704450
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>>128706771

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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>>128705883
>>128706462
>doesn't even deny that all he did was shoot a few rounds in the general direction of a mountain

>>128712878

Probably the left would come up with some bullshit like "cultural appropiation" or "forcing other cultures to our barbaric coscription law" ecc so only the ethnic people will end up serving for their flag.

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>>128702190

>State educates everyone for over a decade of their lives for the past century
>people become parasitic lazy sacks of shit

I'm sure 2 more years of your life taken by the government will really improve things, they sure could use more armed drones to force people to house refugees and take the money needed to pay for those parasites.

NEETs might actually be doing more to fix this shit situation than any other group. If enough people stop contributing to the state and the welfare system collapses when the boomers kick the bucket it will only take one decent winter to have northern Europe back to 99% white

but hey what the fuck do I know

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>>128702190
Heh. White people are encouraged to join the military and go towards the conflict, but Arabs and Africans are encouraged to run away from the conflict and rewarded for it.
>>128702360
He is actually right.

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>>128702190
Conscripting hier tier educated men

>>128702190
I agree
Croatia is bringing back conscription in a few years

>>128702190
Won't work leaf! The internet is too pervasive. After service is over the meets will go back to their basements and reeeeeeee-connect themselves to the net.

>>128702190
Agreed. I wish there had been a leader in office, when I turned 18, who was worth fighting for. Bush was on his way out in 07 and Obama was on his way in. Nobody really had that leadership factor that mad me want to step up. And I'm almost 28. Marines won't take me at this point. And the damn airforce doesn't need any more wrench jockeys. Nor does the Navy.

>>128702190
Suck my dick, militarty losers need to die.

>>128704533
Dude are you shitting me. Rome had the largest fucking army due to conscription. Jesus Christ you are embarrassing the rest of us burgers. Everyone calls us fat but you go and prove their claims about our education. Damnit man.