THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

SAY IT WITH ME

RADICAL

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>>128671839

>>128671930
BUILD

>>128671271
It's like the last angry post at 1am, before he reveals himself as a huge larp and everyone talks about how they're really just faggots.

>>128671839
ASSAULT KNIVES

He realizes he's just hurting the chances for it to go through?

>>128671839
MODERATES

>>128672557
4D Chess

>>128671271
You realise by saying this shit he's guaranteeing it will never pass right? He needs to learn when to keep his idiot mouth shut.

How the fuck is the travel ban supposed to do anything when a lot of these attacks are being done by 2nd gen Mudslimes?

>>128671930
The good old days of NES.

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>>128671271
aww yeahhh

>>128672557
Yeah, okay Jeb Bush. Lets just keep dancing around the topic like we have been for almost two decades now. A lot of good thats done for us.

>>128671271
MAGA
A
G
A

>>128672120
THAT MOTHAFUCKIN

>>128672557

He knows Muzzies will blow up somewhere in America eventually, by not getting the travel ban passed that makes the Dems own it.

Trump has been the shit since he got back from his trip.

>>128672778
COVFEFE!

>>128672690
watch and learn, faggot

Do you not get exhausted being on his dick all the time?

Instead of building the fucking wall he promised that would create jobs and secure the border. He keeps jerking off about a travel ban that the courts will never uphold.

>>128671271
DAS RIIIIIIIIIIGHT

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>>128672756
>ywn run to the mailbox to get the latest issue of nintendo power

>>128671271
god please continue to bless this man

goat potus, maga

>>128672752
>securing our boarders against enemies who want to kill you is a bad thing

>>128672778
t. Reddit

this dumbass has the nuclear codes

this dumbass has the alien information

this dumbass has the antartica secret dossier

why god why

>>128671839
WHITE MEN

>>128672778
sizzaved :D

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>>128673000
praise him

>>128672690
Never apologize for being Pro-West

>>128672557
if the supreme court halts the travel ban for any justification whatsoever there will be a mob of angry people tearing down the fucking building

Trump is finally being Trump.

Now where the FUCK is the WALL??

>>128672889
bingo

perhaps Hawaii would make a good containment zone since their judge seems to care so much about the muslimes, and it's far enough from the mainland, and there are a trillion servicemen to guard it

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>>128671271
literally /ourguy/

>>128671271

I thought travel ban was the PC term his admin came up with instead of calling it the muslim ban he promised in the campaign?

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THATS RIGHT

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>>128672752
You stupid fuck, new refugees will produce 2nd gens eventually

>>128672752
heh, i don't know maybe preventing more moslems from coming here and having muslim kids

>>128673117
Kek'd. Shadilay

>>128671839
NIGGERS

>>128672690
Are you really dumb enough to believe the right-wing SCOTUS will block it?

>>128672752
So we should let in more of them to breed and make more radical-prone kids? Fuck is wrong with you?

>>128672878
KANGZ N SHIET

>>128672878
WIZZALL

>>128672798
>>128672889
you guys are totally missing the point

>>128671271
>travel ban

all freepersons BTFO, travelers NOT WELCOME. Articles of Confederation be damned!

>>128672557
>>128672690
How? Isn't that what it is? A travel ban? A ban to stop travel through various countries, or did I misunderstand what the effects of it were? What are you supposed to call it?

>>128672960
This is literally what we voted for though? In the intermission when both orders were upheld, people like you were saying "Haha guys guess his ban failed! Another promise broken!" and now he's in the wrong again?

>>128673084

kill yourself zurdo

>>128671271
Good.

>>128672960
>that the courts will never uphold.
They have no valid reason whatsoever to prevent it and aren't even legally permitted to anyway.

>>128673123
I hope so

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>>128671839
WHITE MALE TERRORISM

>>128673218
What will prevent people from conversion?

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>>128671271

>>128672752
We should put the sandniggers in camps then.

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>>128671271
I wonder if that includes Saudi Arabia or is he just going to do what the kikes tell him to do.

>>128673362
He is hand delivering ammo to the court(s) to shred the EO. Is that so hard to understand?

>>128672878
BRIDGE

>>128673448
Common sense

>>128673448

In general only Arabs and Africans are inbred enough to actually believe in and follow Islam.

>>128672557
He know it'll never go through so

>>128673000
>Severely underated get

DATS RACIST PLZ DELETE THIS

>>128672690
Pass what? His desk?

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>>128672878
W A L L

>yfw Trump outplays the other Trumps and goes with Trump's original language

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>>128673084
>why god why
Because you can't always get what you want
but if you try sometimes
you might find
you might get what you need.

>>128673657
Tell people no and they rebel

>>128671271
Will they be including britain on that list?

>>128673448
what fucking person converts to islam? lol. in any case a person that converts to islam is a red flag and should be deported.

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>>128671839
FOOD REVIEWS

>>128673593
Okay, and what is the ammo?

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what did he mean by this

>>128672752
Who the fuck cares. It's a step closer to putting them all into internment camps

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>>128671271
DAT RITE

>>128671839
TUBULAR

>>128672960
A PROJECT THAT WILL TAKE OVER A YEAR TO MAKE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITHIN HIS FIRST 100 DAYS OF PRESIDENCY HOW CAN YOU DRUMPFETS BE SO FUCKING BLIND #NOTMYPRESIDENT

but Trump, WE WUZ KANGS let us niggers in

>>128673593
no he's not. all he's saying is exactly the legal argument: the EO is for safety. this hand wringing is so painfully illogical.

>>128673084
>argentina
fake spic yall aint even white

>>128671271
He's becoming the greatest U.S. president due to the sheer amount of butthurt he has caused.

>>128673852
Who says there ain't Muslims in this thread right now stirring the pot?

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>>128671839
>RADICAL

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>>128673963

>>128673790
I am certain Abe is alive in that pic. His brain is preserved inside that statue. However the statue is actually a robot.
Sneaky Americans...

>>128673872
Intent to discriminate against a certain faith. The courts can look at intent when checking laws and EOs

>>128671839
ISLAMIC

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>>128674156

>>128672752
it won't do anything. Don't bother using logic here though, barely anyone blinked when Trump sucked Saudi wahabbist dick.

>>128671271
>
and I am guessing that his Saudi masters will be kept off that list.

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>>128671271
WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS

>>128673593

>promoting his own idea is delivering ammo to shred the idea

????

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>>128674351

>>128673984
The ban can be everything it wants to be. But he keeps saying that all he wants is keeping muslims out. that is the problem.

If he had never said the "ban all muslims from entering the us..." thing and subsequent stuff the ban would have passed without problem because there are grounds that those countries pose a danger.

>>128674252
How does calling it a travel ban do that?

Thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPYe15s6sE8

Just build the wall. Ban mussies or you will end up with 'pedestrian protectors' lining the fucking bridges of London. Btw my autocorrect wanted me to type muddies instead of mussies. Looks like my phone is racist.

>>128672557
Doesn't matter if it goes though. He's not letting anyone in from those countries whether or not it's in law. That's why he says "extreme vetting" the extreme vetting is everyone from those countries are rejected.

>>128673879

kek

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>>128674252
we've already been over this, kraut

>>128674592
because he called for a travel ban against muslim during the campaign.

As much as the Syria strike and "i'm a globalist and a nationalist" talk disillusioned me on Trump, I've gotta say he and the deep state are on a collision course and (((they))) are not going to simply let him be because he's not fully committed to them.

Trump's not perfect but aside from Ron Paul he's the best we've got for the situation.

>>128672960
Trump is doing more to better this country than any other president in my lifetime. Prove me wrong.

>>128674647
That's what we want.. but (((they))) don't.

>>128674822
>because he called for a travel ban against muslim during the campaign.

And now he has changed his mind and refined his intent. So?

>>128674746
Trump's loud mouth fucked it up. If he just issued the damn thing, there wouldn't be a problem. Instead, he spent months talking about banning Muslims.

He's dumb as fuck.

>>128672557

A terrorist attack of any kind while the ban isn't implemented makes Trump look good and democrats like monsters.

>>128674979
>Trump's loud mouth fucked it up. If he just issued the damn thing, there wouldn't be a problem. Instead, he spent months talking about banning Muslims.
>He's dumb as fuck

Hey now, he was just being authentic and expressing the optimal--not to say Final--solution.

When the next muzzie allahu ackbars himself and 30 others in America (and it will happen) guess which party owns the attack, The Dems who blocked his travel ban.

Trump doesn't even want it to pass at this point, it only prevents 3% of all muslims coming to the U.S. but by making everyone think he wants it still when the next attack happens, every America will think, "Well Trump wanted to protect us, this is what we get."

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>>128674979
That doesn't change the legal verbage of the EO retard

>>128674359
>>128674377
2 based leafs in a row.

Trump could appoint Hillary to a gov position and trumpcucks would call it 4d chess

>Shell be locked up any day now! 4. D. CHESS. S-shut up shareblue!

>>128674822
It doesn't matter who, if people are stopped from coming here from somewhere (regardless of who they are) it is a ban on travel, a travel ban.

>>128675033

Furthermore, a terrorist attack during the ban could give him cover to go more hardcore.

>>128671271
He should stop tweeting. This is politically bad because it might hurt the case in the court.

>>128671271

My God, it's real.

PRAISE KEK

>>128672752
>Manchester attacker travelled to Libya 3 weeks before blowing himself up

Hi what do the ((())) things mean?

>>128674841
>>128674919

>>128674961
1) he hasnt
2) it wouldnt work anyway

>>128674746
>what is the INA

>>128675276
>More hardcore

I dont think the gay orgy with the saudis could get any more hardcore.

>>128672690
How are you typing with mouth load of semen and hands full of cock?

>>128675197
>doesn't change the legal verbage of the EO

There is such a thing as good faith in the law. It doesn't matter what the EO says if it was issued in bad faith. Crack a book every once in a while, moron.

Leaders Trump has attacked:
Merkel
Macron
Khan
Turnbull

Leaders Trump has praised:
Putin
Erdoğan
Duterte
Jong-un

Figure out his motives.

https://twitter.com/Mike_P_Williams/status/871764396481159168

>>128675232
im not disgreeing. all im saying is that he fucks up his own case.

>>128675500
you precious child of God...

>>128671839
>tfw Trump couldn't even say "radical Islamic terrorism" in Saudi Arabia

What a cuck.

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>>128671271
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>128675335
No, I think the court will go in the other direct and affirm Trump's right to ban all Muslims. That may be his goal

>>128675658
>defending the homeland
>bad faith
>issued in bad faith
>BAD FAITH

is this extent of shareblue logic lads

>>128674841
>i'm a globalist and a nationalist
He's a globalist for pulling out of the Paris Accord?
He's a globalist for keeping Bannon?

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>>128671271
ITS HAPPENING

>>128675593
>I dont think the gay orgy with the saudis could get any more hardcore.

Is that what you saw? Time to start weening yourself off the trap porn senpai.

Yes, we may incorporate @realDonaldTrump's tweets about the ban into our Supreme Court argument.

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/871788779308294147

“We wanted people to remember that the Constitution applies to everyone, regardless of birthplace or religion or ethnicity." -@KaryMoss

https://twitter.com/ACLUofMichigan/status/871752682549149696

Another receipt to save for when we see you in court.

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/871905456788209666

trump driving more stakes through the heart of globalism. very shocked if this gets blocked by the SC.

>>128676013
>Image
> >>128671271 (OP)
> ITS HAPPENING

Kek!

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>>128672968
Oh my newsummer child, let me tell you, that life was comfy as fuck. Pic related: first issue I ever got, plus my complimentary DRAGON WARRIOR cartridge.

>>128676013
kek

>>128676013
Jajajaja.

Trending.

>>128671271
I don't care if the SC rules against it. He needs to fucking do it anyway. "Because it hurts Muslims" feelings is not a legitimate argument. There is no way the Republicans would impeach him for it, if they know their base. It's a meaningless piece of paper that was only ever meant to apply to white, Christian men. If the travel ban is "unconstitutional", then the Constitution needs to go.

>>128675870
you can defend the homeland, but you are not allowed to discriminate in doing so.

>>128673322
>>Tremendous irony.

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>>128676013
>6 million retweets
>1.488 million likes

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>>128676013
>mfw this happens

>>128676405

Nah brah, hold your horses there.

>>128676405
>If the travel ban is "unconstitutional", then the Constitution needs to go.

Stop perpetuating doubt that it's "unconstitutional." It's perfectly within the presidential powers granted by the constitution, and what more, has historical precedence because IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE AND NO ONE GAVE A SHIT.
See
>>128674746
>>128675197


>>128676467
do you realize how backwards that logic is? just, literally, reread what you just posted right now

>>128671271
Message to the American people: congratulations on having the world's greatest leader.

To recap, @realDonaldTrump:
-confirmed the ban is a BAN
-noted Muslim ban 2.0 is a "watered down, politically correct version" of original

https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/871708428728750080

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>>128671839

FREEDOM

>>128676595
This is the same "conservative-leaning" SC that ruled in favor of Obamacare because Roberts didn't want his liberal friends to be mad at him. You have far more faith in this system than I do.

>>128676809
He just guaranteed his travel ban will fail in the Supreme Court

>>128673191
A muslim ban is inaccurate.

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>>128672690
>not knowing how Trump works

>>128676890
This. I don't trust any of the kikes in the SC.

>>128671271
BURNING HOT FIRE

GO TRUMP GO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQgXvmtI_ug

>>128672952

This. It will probably pass now. Everyone is an idiot.

>>128672960

>mfw I drive by the border every day to see new construction and a giant American flag waving over it in the wind.

He is building the wall you cuck.

>>128673000

Amen

GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP

>>128673084
How did Hitler miss your grandparents? Fucking kike.

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>>128671271
who the fuck even are these people

Aye! Go Trump!

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>>128677611

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>>128674841

Syria strike was 4D it's been explained a million fucking times already on this board, retard. Don't tell me you actually fell for MAT/Shareblue that was on standby mode for it to happen.

Remember Clinton has Obama moles and holdovers as well as NeoCons like McMaster who leak her information. That tweet of hers moments before it happened was no coincidence. If she knew, Shareblue knew.

The end result is the same the only thing that we can disagree on is whether it was deliberate or not. Assad, Putin, and Trump came out on top and Israel/the rebels got hurt in the long run.

>http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/03/21/putin-sends-message-to-israel-your-freedom-to-act-in-syria-is-over/

Pic related.

>>128673373
Fuck you Jew. Did a Rabbi suck your baby penis when he lopped off part of your cock?

>>128676792
>Stop perpetuating doubt that it's "unconstitutional." It's perfectly within the presidential powers granted by the constitution, and what more, has historical precedence because IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE AND NO ONE GAVE A SHIT.

Everyone knows that. But Trump said mean things about Muslims (intent is was has caused this mess) and half the SC are Jews and cucks. More than likely, he thinks that the SC will rule against it, so he just doesn't give a shit. Like I said before, he should just do it anyway. There is no proper checks and balances for activist judges who make constitutionally invalid rulings, especially those on the SC.

>>128676792
its the law son.

>because IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE AND NO ONE GAVE A SHIT.
thats the weakest argument in existence.

you also dont seem to understand that citing a single law is nonsense. laws are always interwoven and work in accordance to eachother.

>>128673137
This

>>128676981
Who do you work for Media matters?

Start realizing DJT is 10 steps ahead. In a few years muslim hatred will be so widespread that he will be known as a visionary.

Winning scenarios:
>bill not passed muslim from shitghanistan blows something up, blame pinned on Dems
>muslim ban passes, nothing happens, DJTs vigorous efforts kept us safe!
>ban passes, muslim still blows something up, tougher ban needed, cant claim he wasn't tough on muslims

Only losing scenario here is the least likely.
>ban doesnt pass, no muslim blows anything up. Still kind of a win DJT can claim it was his other policies on muslims that kept us safe.

>>128671271

Love this guy.
First real president of and for the people since ... decades

>>128677777

>>128675500
GTFO faggot!!! Lurk moar....

>>128672752
The last one was literally by a refugee

>>128676502
I laughed like hell when I saw that. I bet some newfag anons here won't get it....

>>128672557
>>128672690
>>128672752
share blue really getting nervous huh?

>>128671271
Holy fucking shit. I need to sober up for this agenda that I may actually believe can disrupt this insanity.

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>>128671839
Liberalism

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>>128673000
PRAISE HIM

>>128678862
what about chances of being raped by a refugee?

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>>128671839
>Rescuing
>America
>Daily
>Insuring
>CNN's
>Agonizing
>Lunacy

Thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW9wo5BoQ0Q

>>128671271
I can forgive his mistakes as long as he keeps out hadji and builds a wall.

>>128672690
You do realize that the 2 previous travel bans were placed when Gorsuch wasn't in the SCOTUS, right?

>>128671271
An extreme vetting process and putting a leash on Saudis funding groups that carry out these things is another option to consider.

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>>128671271
Twitter is one thing but making shit done is a very different story, his travel bans won't work properly thanks to the fact that there's too much international traffic and that there's no one to enforce any law he makes up in this regard. Also he;s not going to build any wall for obvious common sense reasons
I'm not even saying LOL BLUMPF BTFO or some shit i'm just being realistic here, i do like the guy but tweets and signing papers are things he does just to keep the people who voted for him calm under the illusion of hope

>>128675220
>le leaf meme

It must be difficult justifying Trump putting zero pressure on Saudi Arabia, the greatest reason for ultra conservativism and radicalization in the west and him supposedly being anti-terror.

Trump is distracting you lemmings by making you think the 7 countries listed are the main problem. Bet at least half of /pol/ thinks Iran is the greatest exporter of terror in the world and created ISIS (somehow).

Dumb fuck.

>>128672557

The President has the authority to prohibit any class of aliens from entering the US. Why did this even go to the courts?

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>>128676792
This.

The Constitution does not say anything about immigration (only naturalization).
The Constitution only applies to citizens and (in a LIMITED capacity) foreign nationals who are WITHIN U.S. territory.
Over a hundred years of case law has affirmed Congress' right to regulate immigration as it sees fit.

We also do not extend any constitutional rights to non-citizens who are outside of U.S. territory. Doing so would be completely unprecedented and literally retarded. The people claiming there is some sort of 1st amendment protection for certain religious foreigners are so stupid it hurts.

A travel ban preventing non-citzien muslims from entering the U.S. would be 100 % constitutional. The EO isn't even anywhere near that in scope, it's positively tame in comparison. Can't wait for the libshits to get blown the fuck out in a 9-0 decision.

>>128672752

Prevent new ones from coming here + deportation of the ones already here

Not hard

>>128679621
>>128679651
Poor lil' shills... trying so hard and still losing.
Every. Single. Day.

>>128679651
Fuck off, dipshit.

>>128679767

84 spam chess

>>128679621
Oh Pablo you are in for a wake up call. He will build that wall. That's what he's best at, getting shit built.

>>128673821
Being a contrarian for no reason is immature as fuck. Nobody but attention seeking far left mentally ill retards would convert to Islam.

>>128675500
go fuck yourself T_D faggot

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>>128679988
>>128680345
Believe whatever makes you happy, revel in your delusions. Ignorance is bliss after all
Be ready for disappointment though

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>>128671839

>>128676792
Constitution only applies to Americans. Stop wasting your time trying to educate shills, we already know this shit.

>>128679767
Nope. Animus, or illegitimate prejudice towards a group is not a legitimate pursuit of government. An immigration law rooted in animus towards a group (ie muslims) is therefore not a legitimate pursuit of government, and any laws giving the president latitude in immigration decisions are irrelevant. This is the key argument against the travel ban, and one likely to succeed due to Trump's many statements about wanting a ban on muslims entering the country.

Per your hypothetical, a ban on all non-citizen muslims entering the US would illegitimate due to overt animus.

>>128671271
Fuck that dude, Saudi Arabia (of 9/11 fame) isn't even on the list.

>>128671271
This is good

>>128672752
It merely prevents more from getting in (and the 2nd gen muslims won't even by born in the US in the future).

>>128672752
>how does stopping 1st gen mudslimes stop 2nd gen mudslimes

anon I know our education sucks but cmon

>>128672690
>uGOY

Hey my oven isnt working, come over and help me fix it

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>>128673000
Allah protect

>>128671839
Fuck saying it. Deus Vult when?

>>128672690

>Omar C. Jadwat, an ACLU senior staff attorney, argued that the revised ban should be deemed unconstitutional because of Trump's anti-Muslim comments while on the campaign trail and after the election.

>"We have an order on its face," Judge Paul Niemeyer said, pressing Jadwat about the hypothetical scenario. "We can read this order and we have no antecedent statements by a candidate about this order. We have a candidate who won the presidency, some candidate, president, other than President Trump won the presidency and then chose to issue this particular order with whatever counsel he took. … He issued this executive order. Do I understand that just in that circumstance the executive order should be honored?"

>"Yes, your honor, I think in that case it could be constitutional," Jadwat answered.

>Jadwat then avoided questions from the judges about whether the text of the order itself was unconstitutional. Jadwat said there may be nothing Trump could say now to make his campaign statements about banning Muslims from the U.S. not matter in cases concerning the travel ban.

>Pressed by Judge Dennis Shedd, about whether any repudiation of the campaign and post-election comments about a Muslim ban would satisfy Jadwat, the ACLU indicated there's not much Trump could say now.

>"I think a simple repudiation might not, no, would not change the result," Jadwat told Shedd.

>"Let me follow up then, what if he says he's sorry every day for a year?" Shedd said to laughter in the courtroom. "Would that do it for you?"

>"No, your honor," Jadwat answered.

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>>128672752
>why plug the hole when there's water already in the boat?

>>128681673

LEFTIST LOGIC is incompatible with the constitution

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>>128675500

>>128680972
Show me a case where the Supreme Court applied the doctrine of unconstitutional animus to foreign nationals who were not within U.S. territory.

>>128672557
>>128675033
This x1000

Trump legit knows what he's doing with this

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>>128678949
Second one, ID checks-out

>>128673000
One two three four
It's time for War
Five six
Kebabs on sticks
Seven Eight
Its time to regulate
Nine ten
Kikes for cyklon ben

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>>128671271
Are Americans going to kill the blacks next or just deport them?

>>128672435
ASSAULT TRUCKS!!
ASSAULT VANS!!

>>128671271
>not some politically correct term
>still calls it a travel ban instead of Muslim ban

He's bluffing so hard here with this cucky, strange, utterly cringey display that when SCOTUS slaps its big cock all over his face and the Russia ties are trotted out, his prestige will take a hit that will never recover

This is literally this cuck's last stand

>>128680972
It's not a "Muslim ban". It's a ban on certain countries.

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>>128680972
>illegitimate prejudice
On what grounds is it illegitimate if Muslims have a higher probability of committing terrorist acts?

Would banning ISIS migrants, also be overt animus since Trump has stated we need to take out their families?

>>128682017
Show me a case where animus is territorially bounded.

Furthermore if the travel ban is found to display animus towards muslim foreign nationals, the animus would obviously extend towards muslims within the US.

The argument is that when the president makes dozens of statements condemning and disparaging Islam as a whole, promises to ban all muslims from the US, enacts an EO explicitly based in animus-laden campaign promises, and continues to describe muslims as a whole as a problem for the country, the notion that a line can be drawn between animus towards foreign and domestic muslims becomes untenable.

Imagine if Obama talked about restricting immigration of white people into America, then enacted an EO banning immigration from European countries. White people would be shrieking about being targeted by the government. Especially if the Obama had made dozens of statements condemning white people without any reference to national origin, but instead with reference to the supposed essential nature of white people.

>>128671839
FASCIST

>>128683248
Stop cucking. It's absolutely a Muslim ban meant to appease paranoid trailer trash and aggressive Zionists who want to fight Muslims until the end of eternity for their shitty little Israel

>>128674252
Fuck off Achmed. Go rape some German niggers. Funny how so many cunts speak proper English. I bet half the threads on /pol/ are looking for the neo Hitler. Oy vey

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>>128674979
Fuck off nigger. No one has a right to enter this Country. Regardless of anything. You liberal faggots should be eviscerated from your worthless sac to your throat.

>>128683248
This is a silly argument. The EO follows directly from Trump's long and targeted crusade against the muslim community. The context of Trump's conduct makes this clear. People try to get around this by insisting people only read the text of the order itself, saying that by the text of the EO alone, it is constitutional.

Thing is, a legal rule promulgated with unconstitutional motives can be invalid even if the same rule promulgated for legitimate reasons would be valid. If a legal rule is enacted for a combination of legitimate and illegitimate motives, the validity of the rule depends on whether the illegitimate motive was a but-for cause of the rule’s enactment—that is, on whether the rule would have been enacted had the illegitimate motive not been present.

>>128683262
White people have a higher probability of committing mass shootings in America. Should they be banned from acquiring firearms because of this?

And if you look at the history of terror attacks on US soil committed by muslims, you find the perpetrators are people who had been living in the US for years, sometimes decades, who were radicalized while living in the US. Meaning the travel ban would have done nothing to stop them.

There is zero evidence that current vetting procedures are inadequate. There is zero evidence of terror attacks that would have been stopped by a travel ban. There is zero evidence of some existing flaw in our systems that would be remedied by the EO. The argument that the EO is necessary for national security has no evidence behind it.

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>>128683295
>Show me a case where animus is territorially bounded.
That's not how precedent works. All previous cases dealt with citizens who were subject to the constitution. You need to demonstrate that non-citizens outside of U.S. territory are potentially subject to animus. Spoiler: they're not, that's retarded.

The rest of your argument boils down to: "if the court legislates from the bench and applies animus to foreigners, suddenly giving them all constitutional rights, then the EO would be unconstitutional". No shit, nice fan fiction.

>>128672889
If dubz it happens this Thursday

>>128683295
By your own logic if animus against a religion impacts an EO, then should amity towards a religion also impact an EO?

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2016-10-11/pdf/2016-24736.pdf

In regards to refugees, you can see that the near east had the biggest allocation. Furthermore, should not Obama be implicated for his comments about Islam as well?

>>128684986
>White people have a higher probability of committing mass shootings in America. Should they be banned from acquiring firearms because of this?

This is not an argument against a ban. Furthermore, Islam is a religion not a race, so clearly you're anti-white if you jump to such an argument. Perhaps that is why Obama restricted the number of refugees from Europe.

>>128685324
Remember. the first amendment states

>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
You argue personal animus towards a religion can make an EO that impacts that religion unconstitutional, by that logic amity towards a religion can make an EO that impacts that religion unconstitutional as well.

If that is the case, then Obama prioritizing the middle east for refugees is a direct example of his amity towards Islam and thus those refugees are here illegally.

>>128685002
>Reading comprehension

Ignoring that you're being the guy who can only ask for evidence but can't provide any, I'll remind you that the animus doctrine is under the Establishment Clause. This forbids the government from acting on the basis of an illegitimate purpose, such as bias or prejudice toward any particular religion. Any animus shown towards foreign muslims would extend to muslims in the US. Your convolutions about animus towards non-citizens somehow amounting to giving them constitutional rights is nonsense.

>>128684986
Seriously can limited minds with very little education and formality please fuck off from 4chan. Reddit is your Holy Land, or tumblr, twitter perhaps. There is no reason open borders should ever happen. Fix your own Shithole Countries if you're all so fucking brilliant.
>inb4 im natural born
America was founded on right wing ideals. Thank kikelstein for 1913, 1919 and 1965.

>>128671271
Rand Paul already had a list of 35+ countries to ban, including Russia and the usual suspects like Saudi, Iraq/Iran, Turkey, Egypt, North Africa, Somalia and so on.

>>128672752

So those coming in don't have 2nd gen mudslimes you idiot.

ban won't work. just gonna make more snackbars. including legal us citizen snackbars that will be hiding in plain sight. until they decide to give snacks to their neighbors.

ultimate goal should be to discredit islam. make its followers realize it is bullshit.

>>128685324
If such an EO came from a long context of overt amity towards a religion, there may be an argument. But in that case, the argument would be made that amity towards that religion leads to animus towards others.

In the case of the travel ban, what is important is is the context behind the EO. Going back to the but-for cause of the motive behind the EO.

For instance, in this video Obama claims ISIS is not islamic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwp8qKvE-0g

However, does he have the constitutional basis to make such a distinction?
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Does this not affect every executive order Obama makes, due to him making a religious interpretation of ISIL's justifications? By claiming ISIL is not Islamic, the president establishes himself as an arbiter on whether a group is islamic or not. In that sense, he is declaring ISIL a bunch of heretics claiming to be Islamic. Using this logic, wouldn't any executive order he signs to deal with ISIL actually be him unconstitutionally acting on animus against a heretical form of Islam?

>>128685856
>Focusing in on an analogy and ignoring everything else

Typical. Firstly muslims do not have a higher probability of committing terrorist acts. 94% of terror attacks in the US since 1980 have been committed by non-muslims.

Now I'll ask again. What evidence is there that current vetting procedures are inadequate? What examples are there of terror attacks on US soil that would have been stopped by a travel ban? What evidence is there of flaws in our current system that would be fixed by the EO? What evidence is there of a flaw in our national security systems that require the EO to fix?

>>128682871
Soon

>>128687044
Please lurk more.

We know for a fact the Islamic State is hiding operatives in with 'peaceful refugees'. They did the Paris shooting. You moving the goalposts so that europe- a prime example of non-vetted immigration- isn't counted in your anecdote won't change the realities. Muslims vote to make the countries they are in just as shit as the countries they came from.

I'm becoming more and more accepting of the concept that Trump is actually indeed a time traveler sent back from the future to save Western civilization from radical Islam.

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>>128676285
I have every issue. Waiting for them to come up in price

>>128688010
98% of terrorist attacks in Europe since 2009 were committed by non-muslims. Also the Paris shooter was a French national.

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>>128687044
You fail to incorporate a per capita mindset. To claim that 94% of terrorist attacks were not Islamic, does not imply that Muslims are less likely to be terrorists. 99% of Americans are not Muslim. In fact, isn't it odd that 1% of the population commits 6% of the terrorist attacks?

>What evidence is there that current vetting procedures are inadequate?
>What examples are there of terror attacks on US soil that would have been stopped by a travel ban?
>What evidence is there of flaws in our current system that would be fixed by the EO?
>What evidence is there of a flaw in our national security systems that require the EO to fix?
All of these questions are irrelevant to the question of constitutionality.

Considering all terrorist attacks of note, you will notice that jihadist terror attacks have a higher kill count. Furthermore, you have yet to consider demographics into your calculations. It would be no surprise that the largest ethnic group would have the highest raw count, but if a very small group has a slightly lower kill count it is nonsensical to claim an individual in the largest group has the highest probability of committing a terrorist attack.

Only 1% of Americans are Muslim, yet they have such a high kill count through terrorist attacks. Clearly Muslims have a much higher probability than any other religion for committing terrorist attacks. How exactly is banning a group that has such a high probability irrational or illegitimate?
http://archive.is/RDYnU

>>128688723
>since 2009
Why this arbitrary cutoff? Muslim migrants have Muslim children, this does not absolve Islam, nor make a ban illogical.

Both of these men are left-wing British Mayors who had their cities attacked by terror. Trump attacked one but not the other. Guess which.

https://twitter.com/hourlyterrier/status/871733115470962689

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>>128671271
>For certain dangerous countries!
>And I am not talking about the most radical Islamist one which is the top sponsor of terror in the world!

What a fucking clown.

Seven People Whose Lives Have Been Upended by the Muslim Ban

https://medium.com/@amnestyusa/seven-people-whose-lives-have-been-upended-by-the-muslim-ban-df137d9c66c4

Look dummies he at first wanted a Muslim ban early in his campaign. Since he learned that the law was not on his side to ban Muslims unilaterally for any amount of time, he had to choose specific countries. However the fact that the ban was to go over all the security vetting the fact that the reform has not been reported on is mysterious. They may have a lot of shit on their plate but the vetting should be the focus of visa grants right?

>>128690029
>the top sponsor of terror in the world!

Jews funding muslims to fight other muslims is not terror, it's people who are too retarded to be in power, misusing their power.

When all you wanna do is kill your neighbour, you can never win. You can only choose to die standing or on your knees.

It's all a matter of time before war ceases to be a thing.

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>>128688723
>98% of terrorist attacks in Europe since 2009 were committed by non-muslims. Also the Paris shooter was a French national.

Where are you getting these numbers?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/03/terrorism-timeline

Even including right-wing terror, jihadists have a much higher kill count. Furthermore, Muslims are a minority in Europe. This means compared to all other religions they have a much higher probability of committing a terrorist attack.

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>>128686113
You're still jumping a gap here wherein the establishment clause and congress' immigration powers intersect. It's not obvious at all that a religious test for non-citizens would violate the establishment clause. Blackman gives a better rundown of why the establishment clause argument is not going to work than I can. It simply has not been applied to immigration in full force, and I believe the crux of the issue is the point I've been making: whether or not it even applies, not whether or not it's a violation.

https://lawfareblog.com/legality-3617-executive-order-part-iii-establishment-clause

>>128689339
Because there's nothing predictive about it. Generalizing the statement, going after any ethnic or religious group because "this group has a higher probability of doing X" isn't a valid strategy. Also every recent terrorist attack committed by a muslim has been either a second generation muslim or an immigrant living in the US for multiple years. A travel ban would not have stopped any of them. The travel ban is unconstitutional for the reasons I have already listed in this thread. Nothing in your post changes that.

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>>128671839
I am a nigger now, niggers
>travel ban on london

#MAKE CHRISTIANS CRUSADE AGAIN

>>128690087
No, it was a travel ban based on religion. I feel sympathy for them which is why they should renounce Islam to bypass a Muslim ban.

>>128690731
>No, it was a travel ban based on religion
Damnit, I mean nationality. But it's cleary, all Iranians were banned, not just the Muslims. If it was a Muslim ban, all they need to do is renounce their faith.

>>128689438
That was the cutoff for the data.

>>128690499
Europol SE-SAT updates.

>>128683295
Fuck you're retarded.

>>128680743
Its okay Pedro your still paying for that wall tho

>>128676013
Looks legit!

Was this executive order unconstitutional

(1) For purposes of subsection (a), the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Coordinator for Refugee Affairs, shall establish--

(A) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of the Soviet Union and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in the Soviet Union on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and

(B) one or more categories of aliens who are or were nationals and residents of Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia and who share common characteristics that identify them as targets of persecution in such respective foreign state on such an account.

(2)(A) Aliens who are (or were) nationals and residents of the Soviet Union and who are Jews or Evangelical Christians shall be deemed a category of alien established under paragraph (1)(A).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/101/hr3743/text

please list the "dangerous countries" Dondon

>>128671839
DEMOCRATIC

>>128671839
YUGOSLAVIA

>>128671271

I'm amazed nobody is stating the obvious of how badly this damages his upcoming SCOTUS case.

It's almost as if the entire Muslim ban was more useful as a campaigning tool/tactic for rallying his base than a sincere attempt at policy. XD

>>128673000
yeah pbuh

Statistically I'm way more likely to die because of a white dude with a gun, but I don't see him talking about how we only need to ban dangerous firearms?

It's pretty weird IMO.

>>128690530
The strength of the Establishment Clause argument lies in that it is structural. The value of a structural constitutional limit in the current context is that it permits a person currently lawfully in the United States to object to what the government is doing even though what it is doing occurs overseas (at US embassies and consulates where applicants are denied visas) or at ports of entry. Unlike arguments rooted in Free Exercise or Equal Protection, the structural nature of the Establishment Clause avoids the issue of applying constitutional rights to non-citizens. It simply requires a showing that the plaintiff (who is a citizen) is injured by the government's violation of the Establishment Clause.

So, imagine a judge or justice who thinks: 1) rights provisions don't apply to aliens outside the US; but 2) the Establishment Clause does apply to actions taken outside the United States because it's structural; and 3) subjective evidence of bad faith (animus) in adopting the travel ban shows an Establishment Clause violation. That would be the end of it.

>>128691490
Liberals have been talking about this all day, and they're right.

Once again Trump's retarded impulsive behavior fucks him over.

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>>128671271
HOLY SHIT DUDE

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>>128690826
Ah, so have you seen the latest data?

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-te-sat-2016

In particular look at the arrest data, 198 arrest for Jihadist terrorism and 94% guilty verdicts for those arrests. So out of all the total 417 convicts for terrorism, 186 were jihadists. This means out of all the terrorism convictions 44.6% were jihadists. Isn't that quite odd? Muslims are a minority in Europe, yet in terrorism convictions they are at 44.6%. Furthermore these stats don't account for recent high kill count attacks either.

>>128671271
God he's so fucking retarded. All he does is shoot himself in the foot and further hurt the chances of HIS VOTERS, US, of getting anywhere politically. Little twitter comments are so fucking pathetic in the real world. He hasn't done a god-damn thing for any of his supporters, but he has plenty of time to sit on twitter and suck more globalist banker dicks in the Saudi desert.

>strategy doesn't work, gets rejected massively by everyone
>hurr lets keep doing it, but *more*!
Face it, Trump is a child who has no idea what he's doing in government.

>>128690029
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

He can just sit back and watch the Ramadan Bombathon and soon they'll be begging for a travel ban.

>>128676195
Constitution does not apply to people outside of our borders

>>128671271

Blumpf is finished. You peeps better sharpen your dicks for the raw fucking ahead.

>>128692431
>He hasn't done a god-damn thing for any of his supporters
Shill or retard?

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>>128691616
Your argument can be expanded into any immigration preference both allowing and denying immigration. By your logic Obama unconstitutionally allowed refugees into America due to his amity towards Islam. Obama through his support of Islamic refugees in fact established a governmental preference towards Islam. I could argue that taking any refugee is by definition establishment of religion because you will never an equal distribution of religions.

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>>128692832

A MAN CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH!! TRUMP HAS FINALLY REACHED HIS FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU LIMIT.

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>>128691616
If you're going to lift arguments from a blog, at least include the source (pic related 1):
http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/03/why-establishment-clause-has-emerged-as.html

The point about the issue of whether or not the establishment clause applies still stands, see previous Blackman and the ACRU's amicus curiae (pic related 2):
http://www.theacru.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/17-1351-Amicus-Brief-American-Civil-Rights-Union.pdf

Obviously neither of us are going to get to the bottom of this, but I'd bet your feminine penis that the court rejects invoking the establishment clause.

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Wrong pic.

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Trump tweets about immigration ban at 1 am sit back and grab the popcorn

>>128693319
>preventing muzzies from entering nations to prevent durka attacks is extreme
Tell that to poland and their ZERO muslim terrorist attacks

>>128690619
>we already let some in, so there's no point in stopping the rest

>>128693569
>whoops 5 slipped through the crack, better knock down the whole wall
This is what liberals actually believe

>>128673123
You hillbillies didn't do shit when some state judges blocked it.

>>128671271
>implies he's being politically incorrect
>"travel ban for certain dangerous countries"
>not "we need to ban all Muslim immigration"

>>128671271
His lawyers must fucking hate him.

>>128690619


>Also every recent terrorist attack committed by a muslim has been either a second generation muslim or an immigrant living in the US for multiple years. A travel ban would not have stopped any of them.

>The travel ban is unconstitutional for the reasons I have already listed in this thread. Nothing in your post changes that.
You arguments are based on animus towards Islam being illegitimate, and I have proven many times that it is neither illegitimate nor irrational. Islam is not a race no matter how many times you claim it is. Religion is an ideology, if a religious group had a 100% chance of committing a terrorist attack, should they be discriminated against and not allowed to immigrate to America? I have stated before, Muslims tend to have Muslim children. To say a travel ban would not stop them from having children is clearly illogical, they cannot have children here if they never come here.

>>128671839
BAZINGAS

>>128693870
For what, this is an open and shut case
The constitution does not apply to people outside of the USA, literally nothing else matters

>>128693959
desu this has been the most productive discussion on this board in a while. Regardless of what side you are on, the clash is phenomenal.

>>128674349
TERRORISM

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>>128671271

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>>128676195
"Within the jurisdiction of the United States" doesn't apply to fucking Zimbabwe commie.

>>128694240
Do these people seriously believe they will win though? Not upholding the travel ban does two things
>says to the world that the US government cannot decide who gets into our country, therefor the borders can never be closed, even in wartime
And
>all nations and people outside of the US now benefit from the constitution, all hate speech laws and gun control suspended the world over -SCOTUS

>>128671839
ISLAMIC

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>>128690619
>A travel ban would not have stopped any of them.

Recent attack was done by the son of a Libyan pre-2012 which meant they were "escaping" Gadaffi's crackdown of extremists and they just let him right into UK. What level of brainwashing are you on bud?

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>>128691616
Top kek, your whole post was lifted from that blog.
>tfw the libshit you're arguing with turns out to be a degenerate plagiarist too

ban saudi arabia and UAE then

>>128694618
We gotta start somewhere first

>>128694488
nice digits

fuck no, if its not 9-0 there should be riots. My guess is RBG and Soto sit. Maybe Kennedy if he cucks hard, but he has a tendency to side w/ the executive on politically relevant issues.

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>>128671271
The fire rises!

>>128676013
lmao

>>128694488
>>128694680
The OCare decision was Olympic levels of mental gymnastics for Kennedy. He will have a much easier time with this one. Like Jesus, look what they did to Scalia.

>>128671271
he doesn't want to win the case, and even if he does, the verdict on the case is gonna be in early 2018 most likely.

so yeah, just blame the courts for anything bad that happens - it's smart politics.

>>128694680
Exactly, the precedence that would form from this would be disasterous for the country, not just the executive branch, it would prevent our entire government from stopping IDEOLOGIES from coming here, even in wartime, as well as somehow say our constitution usurps foreign laws in their own countries (euros need this one desu)

>>128694898
Courts and democrats

>>128694598
travel bans only last 90 days so yeah would not do much unless a attack was going to happen in them 90 days by someone trying to enter in them 90 days

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>>128694488
That's basically it. That's why I consider those against it complete and utter traitors. Constitution does not apply to non-citizens and the travel ban did not ban dual citizens from those countries. Traitors need to be hung. Why can't we bring that back?

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>>128676981
Your whole argument here commie is based on the idea you can use his campaign rhetoric to import motive as determined by highly biased jurists. Let's look at the overturn ratio of the 9th circuit, and dream some more. Per the letter of the law, he is within the realm of control of all immigration issues.

This includes rules pre-visa and post-visa. Your fake news has convinced you of stupid shit because you're ignorant. Visas can not be turned down after application for any reason that's discriminatory, but you can specifically as POTUS choose to not accept visa applications from certain countries for "discriminatory" reasons. This is why zero legal opinions written by jurists overseeing the case are touching writing about the law involved -- they instead choose feelings. These jurists will be crushed and the court eventually reshaped again.

The real question is, will RGB do the right thing and recuse herself for showing bias against a named party coming before her, or will she destroy her legacy and become known as the senile lady who was purely politics. I hope the latter. The reason you will lose is you think the POTUS has no plan, and isn't engaging counter moves. You aren't thinking about his game, therefore it seems like 4d chess.

Screencap this: SCOTUS agrees with POTUS, original EO legal, and current one upheld.

>>128694898
https://www.amazon.com/Hollow-Hope-American-Politics-Political/dp/0226727025

lefty book but good.

>>128681796
So we can deal with the water already in the boat and not sink.

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>>128695018
True, but they said they were going to use it for evaluation. I can still hope that they will decide on harsher immigration that takes even longer. I'm telling you the UK concert bomber one was obvious. I'm hoping they at least catch people like that otherwise we are fucked. You have to know each detail about the country they are coming from and what groups they likely side with.

>>128695028
she will most certainly choose the senile old lady route.