Your monthly Catalan thread

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I love threads about Spain.

Hope the Sagrada Familia will be finished soon.

>>128662268
Quit your bitching and stay as one unified country.

>>128662268
Support from Ireland.

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>>128663820
Your ID sounds exotic nonetheless.

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>>128662268
Catalonia will never be seperated, what will happen is catalan will be made illegal to use in schools media and government places.

>>128662268
how are your odds looking for the referendum? When is it going to be held?

If it passes, what is the next course of action if the Spanish government will refuse to recognize it? Are you gonna try asking other countries/the UN to recognize you or what?

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>>128664556
I call bullshit on this.

>>128664556
>When is it going to happen.
Our catalan president said it was going to happen before 2018.
If Spanish government does not regognize it europe or united nation will probably intervene.

That flag hurts
At least make the star point to the open space

>>128662268
Wish you the best on your referendum even though you are a bunch of cucks that want to rejoin the EU as soon as you leave

>>128664875
>europe or united nation will probably intervene

dont be that delusional, it just hurts...

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>>128664308
Also mass migrations of andaluces will exterminate all senses of "independence" you brought this upon yourself.

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>>128664875

>>128665248
>Wish you the best on your referendum even though you are a bunch of cucks that want to rejoin the EU as soon as you leave

Im not going to lie, we are big cucks here. We even did a refugees welcome event in Barcelona. But that is another problem that we will solve. Our main political party is right-wing and conservative so i think we would solve that problem fast.

>>128665475
This is why franco made catalonia rich, evil genius, op is probably a charnargo too, Catalonia as a seperate entity from the rest of the spanish regions is dead.

>>128665645
Are you sure they wouldn't just end up like the UKIP once they reach their goal?

Your national hero was a Spanish patriot. I respect your language and culture but don't act like your history is not intimately intertwined and compatible with that of the rest of the peninsula.

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>>128664875
YOU ARE NEVER EVER GONNA LEAVE CATKEK

>>128665851
The difference is that UKIP was conservative and anti-europe. Our main political parties are pro-europe. Even that our main party is right-wing is not very conservative.
But to be honest, I dont fucking care. I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan, I just want to speak my native language with pride, I want to be able to have my own laws and government.

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>>128662268
That masonic "puertorican" star is an insult to our glorious banner, I loathe it, I don't care if it represents independentism, but don't taint our ancestral "senyera" with that crap.

The independentist flag should portray the Renaixença Phoenix, but what can you expect from a bunch of tasteless blue-pilled leftist cucks like modern day independentists.

>>128665777
Make the teo hostorically rebellious provinces require lots of labor as well as conventrate wealth there to make it subject to mass internal migrations.

Franco cucking basques snd catalonian seperatists even after death, 90% population of catalonia has recent ancestors from other regions GG, espanya una y grande!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6k_IdzBrGY

>>128666209
>don't act like your history is not intimately intertwined and compatible with that of the rest of the peninsula.

When did i said that our history is not tied to the peninsula?
Our history is tied to the peninsula just like Portugal or Spain itself. But that doesn't mean anything.

>>128666461
I know, that's why i used the red and yellow flag and not the blue-yellow-red with white star flag.
I only use the nowdays famous estelada because its more known and people recognize it.

Do you honestly think you will ever get independence from spain?? not trolling or anything, just want to know what you think. because spain definitely does not want to give you up. but they definitely hear your voices!

>>128667272
>Do you honestly think you will ever get independence from spain?

Yes, if not now in a couple years.

>>128662268
Are you that gal from /int?
Also when you are going to claim indepence?

>>128667430
how do you figure? 2 years is not a lot of time! not for something so significant anyway

>>128667653
They will never get independrnce in fact I will go to catalonia have 100 kids and make tgem have 100 kids, and vote to ban catalan, andalucia needs to send a couple of million more.

>>128666723

It means that the idea that catalanes are a victimized group singled out by Madrid for oppression is laughable and an invention of propagandists. Any people have a right to self determination, just don't build your case on lies and paranoia.

>>128668051
>I will go to catalonia have 100 kids
but that would require you getting laid anon-kun

>>128662268
What's the point of a new state? Aren't you all EU cucks anyway?

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>>128668051
>seperatistas
>haaaaaaaaa

>>128662268
What is Catalan view on firearm ownership, since some of you have taken to armed rebellion/resistance in the past is this indicative of a future gun state if you become independent or are you cucked like most euros? What would be your population if you became independent? Are you commies, or Catalan political values really variable from person to person?

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>>128662268

Oy vey, what a lovely hilo my fellow goyim. Remember to take in as many moros as you can. Open Borders for all !

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>>128666294
Holy shit...

>Even that our main party is right-wing is not very conservative.
The most Honorable president stole how much money? Cataluña steal us.

> I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan
If by Catalan you mean born and rised in Cataluña which is part of a country named Spain, nobody denies your identity.

>I just want to speak my native language with pride
You can, and as long as is a co-oficial lenguage in ALL THE COUNTRY you can speak it. Another issue is if a Castillian will or not understand you.

> I want to be able to have my own laws and government.
Implying Cataluña isn't one of the regions with more freedom and autonomy. Judges, education, police... Your gobernment is even selling its own debt which is driving you to an economic hell all the Spanish are paying for.

what league will the football teams be part of?

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>>128668824
Catalonia is literally the least Jewish region in Iberia.

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>>128667563
>Are you that gal from /int?
No, im not.
>Also when you are going to claim indepence?
If it was me, tomorrow seems a good day.

>>128667653
>how do you figure? 2 years is not a lot of time! not for something so significant anyway.

Its going to happen anon, our president has already set the date limit for 2018.

>>128668146
>Any people have a right to self determination
Government has said that referendum is illegal im not mading anything.
>It means that the idea that catalanes are a victimized group singled out by Madrid for oppression is laughable and an invention of propagandists
I dont think catalans are victimized, who said that?
>>128668549
>What's the point of a new state? Aren't you all EU cucks anyway?
Idk desu. Like i said in >>128666294
>But to be honest, I dont fucking care. I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan, I just want to speak my native language with pride, I want to be able to have my own laws and government.

To be fair, Catalunya was never an independent country. After it was taken back from the muslims by the french it became a county, loyal to the frenchies. This was in the begining of the 9th century. In 1137, your duke married his two year old daughter to the king of Aragon, in order to become part of this growing kingdom.

>>128664308
who is this ugly fucking faggot that i keep seeing around here

>>128668832
>The most Honorable president stole how much money? Cataluña steal us.
Yes we steal you fucking nigger. We know how to use the money better than you sub-human arab scum.

>You can, and as long as is a co-oficial lenguage in ALL THE COUNTRY you can speak it. Another issue is if a Castillian will or not understand you.
No, you don't know anything.

>Implying Cataluña isn't one of the regions with more freedom and autonomy. Judges, education, police... Your gobernment is even selling its own debt which is driving you to an economic hell all the Spanish are paying for.

We all still tied to central government taxes, laws, and congress.

>>128669727
T. 40% nigger spics

>>128669865
Im hoping for civil war 2 in spen.

>>128669951
your posting from the same country you fuck

What is this bullshit thread. You Catalans are rich, but not special. If any, the Basque should have a separate nation.

Every region in Spain have their unique variant of spanish. Stop thinking it's a whole another language.

Selfish pricks.

And not to mention that your region is degenerate as fuck. Commie-voting liberals.

>>128669240
Barcelona is the city with highest Jewish population in Iberia, goy.
>Barcelona, with a Jewish community of 3,500, has the largest concentration of Jews in Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Modern_Jewish_community

>>128669240
This

>>128668683
Dont put that image here, we didn't call for any clown.

>>128670108
After that we will build a big wall to separate us from Spain.I promise Burger-san.

>>128669102
I dont like football. Idk.

>>128668798
Catalonia was known for his weapon and firearm support. Look at "Segunda republica".

>>128668549
-No monarchy
-No PP government
-Out of europe (at least before we try to re-join it)
-If we dont enter Europe we have unique currency.
-We would be universally recognized as catalans.
-We would not import filthy andalusians.
-We will stop having borders with Africa
...etc

>>128669478

No one prohibits your language and culture. Historically you were never really independent. You have vast amounts of local autonomy. Yet there is an intense fervor for independence. Why? If your personal reasons are purely for the desire for self governance, that's one thing. I'm just saying that the case as presented by your leaders is not so transparent and honest and I suspect you're caught up in it because of the emotional momentum behind the independent movement rather than a sober analysis of the situation. And again I have nothing against Catalans.

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>>128670973
Linking to wikipedia as a source.

>>128671209
>https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/barcelona-spain-jewish-history-tour
> Today, an estimated 3,500 Jews reside in Barcelona, making it the largest concentration of Jews in Spain.

>>128671062
>No one prohibits your language and culture.

Just to give you an example.
Bullfighting is an Spanish tradition non suported by catalans, in fact we find it pretty disgusting.
Catan government approvess a law by 100% of votes to ban bullfighting in Catalonia.
1 year later Spanish government bans the law and now in catalonia bullfighting is legal again.
http://www.publico.es/politica/tc-anula-prohibicion-toros-catalunya.html

that was just one example.

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>>128669865
>No, you don't know anything.
The last wednesday I did speak Gallician with a man from Lugo drinking some beers in Madrid, and I'm from Guadalajara. And nobody gives a flying fuck.
Of course, Gallicians are cool people not whining Catalonians.
The one who knows a shit is you, fucking brainwashed idiot.

>Yes we steal you fucking nigger. We know how to use the money better than you sub-human arab scum.
Yes, you do. And yes, if using the money means share with the Pujol family and making shitty inversions.

Also Pic fucking related and the link to check it.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml

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>>128671501
linking to jewishvirtuallibrary.org as a source

>>128670978
And who supports this in catalonia?
Can you say you want niggers out of catalonia as a seperatist? I am not naive enough to think of a true nationalist state to come just a weakening and divide and conquer.

>>128671665
Do you how much money do you have to spend to become a country? the bureaucracy, the trade deals and trade union, military, applying to EU, embassies, new passports and IDs, don't get invaded and genocided by the rest of Spain, don't get colonised by Spain afterwards.

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>>128671824
>and I'm from Guadalajara
That explains everything.
It must be really difficult for you to understand with an undeveloped brain.

>linked png
Means nothing btw

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>>128670622
Catalan is literally on another Latin branch, Catalan derives from old Occitan, calling it a Spanish dialect when according to many linguists could even be considered in the Gallo-Romance branch (French) is absurd and completely ignorant of the subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitano-Romance_languages

So, you want to create a separate Catalan nation, with what I can only assume is socialism with the end goal of communism, even though records show that the CNT-FAI's attempt to instill anarcho-syndicalism were an enormous failure. I'm talking about recorded instances of legitimate serfdom, as people were tied to their own properties to work their crops fields by soldiers while being threatened with death if they attempted to escape, all while the soldiers lined their pockets with the best food.
>inb4 no source
Blood Of Spain by Ronald Fraiser

>>128671897
Seperatists in East Spain being genocided is preferable to divide and conquer.

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>>128672197
Posting the truth means nothing.
Yeah good example.
For sure, a good ad-hominem will cover the fact that your pic is manipulated.

Meh.

>>128670622
>Every region in Spain have their unique variant of spanish
wat? who told you this? are you fucking high?

>Stop thinking it's a whole another language.
Its another language and its recognized by European union. In fact catalan comes from Occitan wich is dead. That's why it is considered an evolution from occitan and not an evolution of Spanish.

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>>128662268
Segur que tots els catalans que no volen la independència són sevillans o negres?
Els únics que ho volen són sionistes i comunistes.
Viva Franco i visca catalunya

>>128672277

Oh yea Mallorca should also separate... not spanish...

Your kind is absolute absurd.

>>128672481
Catalonia has no military, stop this seperatist bullshit before soldiers and tankies roll down.

Hay guise, pro-independence foreigner living in BCN here. Just going to say that you people are getting ripped off BIG TIME by your own govt. How many years have we been hearing now that
>hurr independence any day now, one or two years tops
?

The moment ERC which wasn't a total trainwreck joined with CiU it's all just gone down the drain. It was really a master move by CiU, with JxSi "you're either with me or you're against me" or you're with the CUP which means you're braindead anyway.

I get that you people hate the spanish government, I mean who fucking doesn't, but your hate for Spain is not letting you see how the catalan elites are just playing us together with the spanish elites. Both parties benefit from this constant conflict, and we're getting jack shit out of it, except that our local politicians can just blame everything on Madrid.

Seriously people STOP BEING SO FUCKING KEKED AND MAKE CATALONIA GREAT AGAIN

ffs I've never seen a group of people who have so fucking much going for them like the catalans but still manage to fuck up so bad

my two cents

>>128672434
>with what I can only assume is socialism with the end goal of communism
What the actual fuck. Are you okay burger? Had you been having nightmares with URSS and cold war again? Do you want another coke or something?

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>>128672842
Visca catalunya visca espanya

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>>128662268
Shoot separatists on sight

>>128671826
>>128671501
Jews today in Iberia are "retornados".

>>128671824
They change the map every day, still, nothing out of the ordinary.

>>128669478
>Its going to happen anon, our president has already set the date limit for 2018.
uhhh, really? are they going to let people in that region vote or something? I can't imagine that they wouldn't rig those elections if so! catalonia is a pretty wealthy area!!

>>128673239
R A R E

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>>128672906
Mallorquì is an accent. Do you really understand the difference between accent and language?
Let me help you understand the image. The colors that are more similar to red are the closest to Catalan, and the ones closer to purple are similar to Occitan. The only difference between orange, red and the pink colors are the accent, but all of them speak catalan. The ones with purple color speak occitan.

>Oh yea Mallorca should also separate... not spanish...

And btw, what has language to do with separating?

>>128672951

The trick was to convince them that Spanish politicians represent the rest of Spain's desire to fuck Catalunya and hide the fact that they're fucking the rest of Spain too. This is the game people who want power play. When you ask to be lied to don't be surprised when you're lied to.

>>128662268

Fuck off partisan commie kike.

>>128673034
The last fucking moron on /pol/ that was a Catalan separatist was a fucking communist.

>>128673498

"And btw, what has language to do with separating?"

Now you just speaking bullshit like a separatist. Stop LARPing and hail your Great Spanish Reich.

>>128673525
Are you daft? The rest of Spain fucking HATES Catalonia, and they're more than happy that Catalans are getting fucked by the government. They're just too dumb to care that their own government is fucking them over as well, as long as politicians can go on bashing catalonia everyone's happy.

>>128670622
>Every region in Spain have their unique variant of spanish.
The """Spanish""" in fact is Castillian.
Catalan language even belongs to another Romance language group different than rest of the languages in Iberia.

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>>128673571
>Commie kike
literally the opposite of what I am. I dont really want communism because i would loose my fucking business

btw, have you known any catalan in your life?
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>>128673396
^-^~

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>>128673216
So the map is useless to disprove that catalonians are in their vast majority:
a) Andalusians
b) Extremeños
c) Jews
d) Niggers
e) Peruvians

>reminder: there are 5 million inmigrants in Spain and one full million is in Cataluña.

And the minority are the Aragonese remains... And 5 or 6 families living in the Ampurdá with true catalonian ancestors.

Seriously, the separatism is a joke. The pretensions are a joke.
Is easier for you to get the independence with an all-Spain referendum than one in Cataluña because we are fucking tired of you.
But the catalonian politicians don't want the independence, they want the money and the political tension to get votes.

>>128674039

Pique is the biggest cunt in the world. Nice post.

>>128673683
>one catalan separatist was commie, so the rest of us are
following that rule all the maga burguers are redditers?

>>128673843
>Now you just speaking bullshit like a separatist. Stop LARPing and hail your Great Spanish Reich.

Is that all your arguments?

>>128673960
>Catalan language even belongs to another Romance language group different than rest of the languages in Iberia.
At least some common sense here. Thanks god.

>>128674207
You are hysterical.

Take a deep breath.

Catalans are not your enemies.

>>128674270
>Implying that the picture related was about the person itself and not how a Catalan looks
Denmark, are you drunk?

>>128674469
Seperatists are and seperatists are not catalans

>>128671824
>Gallicians are cool people
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*deep breath*
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>>128674597
Yet he is insulting all catalans and Catalonia as a whole regardless.

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>>128674039

Glad to hear you are one of us. But why be a separatist? And why are you against bullfighting and jamon?

>>128674655
Because of seperatist tricks trying to emcompass sll catalonia as seperatists

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>>128664308

>>128673898

Si están resentidos será con lo llorones que sois últimamente. Lo demás son los estereotipos inocuos de siempre que os tomais en serio.

>>128674575

I was trying to describe Pique as an archetype of a Catalan separatist. Far from everyone looks like him, but yes he is a true European. Like many from Madrid.

If Catalan doesn't have a wall around it, none of this thread matters

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>>128674207
>Seriously, the separatism is a joke. The pretensions are a joke.
PP is a joke.

>>128674469
I can't be hysterical because I don't have an uterus.
Nationalism in Spain is an obvious enemy.

>>128674645
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA then...

>>128674971
I already thought of that
>>128670978
>After that we will build a big wall to separate us from Spain.I promise Burger-san.

>>128675011
"Nationalism" nation = race
Seperatism is in east spaon arbituary seperatism, not a nation.

>>128675115
Can you get back Rousillon back if (((independence))) ever occurs?

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>>128674039
Why don't you go catalawn yourself we are tired of doing it.

>>128675003

Both what you said and what he said are not mutually exclusive. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>>128674707
>But why be a separatist?
If you live in Catalonia you really need to have shit for brains to NOT be a separatist. You people talk shit about catalan independence because you look at it from far away and think your dumb
>hurr greater spanish reich
bullshit. But try fucking living here. You're in a moderately shit country that's being governed by a deepest-africa-tier joke of a government. When you live here it's always like

>spanish law makes you PAY so that you can actually work. You can't just go be a handiman and fix shit for people, you first have to register yourself as a worker, pay a monthly fee of like 160 euros REGARDLESS OF WETHER YOU MAKE MONEY, then you can go to work
>have more or less bearable regulations, but on top of that pants-on-head-retarded spanish regulation
>spanish regulations make you spend TENS OF THOUSANDS of euros in fees, taxes and studies for any new business. oh gee I wonder why half the fucking country is unemployed
>there's HUGE construction work in the middle of Barcelona on hold for literally OVER A DECADE because govt don't give a shit all the while they spend gorillions on idiotic high speed train lines to Galicia, one of the least populated regions in Spain
>central-govt-operated trains are absolute utter shite, they don't invest anything except the bare minimum, our commuter trains are absolutely vital to our economy yet they're absolutely third world tier, and yet there's enough money to build high speed trains into the middle of fucking nowhere

seriously, there's a lot of shit to be said about the catalan government, but jesus fuck the spanish government is on a wholly different level of fucktardedness.

>>128675191
Nationalism = Shit
Any idiot can claim that Texans are a different race without proofs and fuck your country because yeeeh-ha!

>>128674707
Im not against jamon its fucking delicious.
Im against bullfighting because of various reasons, one of them is because its a fucking insane "culture" that leads to nothing. Its only a guy making suffer an animal in front of people. Its not like USA bullfighting, actually texas bullfighting is entertraining. Search for "corrida de toros" and you will see why most of spaniards are against bullfighting.

>But why be a separatist?
>>128668549
-No monarchy
-No PP government
-Out of europe (at least before we try to re-join it)
-If we dont enter Europe we have unique currency.
-We would be universally recognized as catalans.
-We would not import filthy andalusians.
-We will stop having borders with Africa
...etc
>>128666294
>I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan, I just want to speak my native language with pride, I want to be able to have my own laws and government.

Remember amigo, you once were a british colony and separated from UK.

>>128675707
Thats seperatism, Nationalism = Racialism that is not the case in Catalonia, it is anti nationalism to dice and cobquer/weaken the race.

>>128675669
>monthly fee of like 160 euros
my bad, it's actually 275. TWO FUCKING HUNDRED SEVENTY FUCKING FIVE euros just to be ALLOWED to work. Like you need any other reason to leave this absolute shithole.

>>128675895
>that is not the case in Catalonia, it is anti nationalism to dice and cobquer/weaken the race.

Sorry, are you catalan? Do you fucking know what are you talking about? Spain has never been a country. And right now the gov is a joke.

>>128675669
>If you live in Catalonia you really need to have shit for brains to NOT be a separatist. You people talk shit about catalan independence because you look at it from far away and think your dumb
I fucking agree

>>128675936

Yes. Catalans, once independent, will build a libertarian utopia free of bureaucratic red tape judging by their voting patterns. Your myopia is staggering and betrays your reactionary politics.

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>>128675936
+taxes

Pic related = rajoy

>>128662268
Full support in your bid for independence, and formally requesting that I be allowed to visit Costa Brava for the month of July every year. Love it there.

>>128676333
>I'm so dumb I have to reply with a strawman because I can't conceive people paying taxes only in proportion to what they earn
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>>128676438
I live in Costa Daurada myself.
By the way, spaniards changed the name of Costa Brava. Costa Brava means Brave Coast (It has nothing to do since it is mediterranean sea and the water is calm), the real name of Costa Brava is Costa Daurada (in catalan means golden coast, i think the name is more aproppiate).

>>128675669
I agree that taxes are extremely high in this country, but we still have one of the best social security in the world. Tell me, using real logic, and not just your hatred towards the government, why you want to leave.

>>128676966
uwot? Costa Daurada is down by Tarragona, Costa Brava is up north

>>128662268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBMKNxliZI

Respectable.

>>128676206
Whats the fucking point though? Spain or catawhateverthefuck you will live and die in the same area with the same people no matter what you do.

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>>128677016
40bn€ for the 2nd largest HSR network after China. Ahead of Japan and France. That's what my taxes are paying for while social security gets cutback after cutback.

Jesus fuck you spaniards are C U C K S

it's like you enjoy paying ridiculous amounts of taxes which go in most part to corruption and white elephants

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>>128675895
Same catalonian "nation" can be made in mallorcan "nation" illeda "nation" etc.. nation means true connection, which is race, you are born a race snd connected by blood, this is true everything else is false applications of opinions on people.

>>128677057
Costa Daurada is not the same as costa brava?
I've been in a dream all my life?
Have i taken the final pill?

Yes sry i mixed up with the Costa Dorada thing.

>>128677305
oh, and add to that the largest highway system in all of Europe (larger than Germany), and the largest toll-free highway system in Europe (counting only the toll-free parts)

>>128676865

I agree with the principle, I just think you're kidding yourself if you think you're going to be economically better off with independence. Your politicians are some of the most corrupt in Spain, which is saying something. But do what you want, acomplejado.

>>128677057
I was really thinking on the Salou / Salauris thing and i thought it also happened on Costa Daurada / Costa Brava. I guess i was wrong ahaha.

>>128677517
>Your politicians are some of the most corrupt in Spain.

No, not even close to PP's corruption.

>>128677517
>acomplejado
>says the guy defending a country that's systematically shitting on 15% of its own people

>>128677374
The purpose is attempting to organize politically the selerate racial colonies aka settlements of land, some are more adept at constructing a stronger race than others.

>>128677789

Do you have some sources of PP's corruption? I am not convinced as you seem like a kind of people that complains a lot.

>>128662268
You are a joke, the "el proces" is dead, and there is no way you get and independence because that would be agains the constitution YOU aproved YOURSELF!, nobody is even taking you serious anymore.
Please delete this thread.

No nation should be governed by a foreign country.
I hope to live to see the day, when the native people of the Iberian peninsula live in free democracies and not under the foot of the Castilian colonisers.

>>128678325
Any nation that once was independent will harbor that desire to be independent in their hearts.

Same way any man that was the emperor once would harbor the desire to be emperor again.

>>128678494
Catalonian independant state never existed.

>>128678027

I'm not defending anybody and I'm not against independence in principle I just think you catalanes have this rose-tinted vision of what will happen post- independence.

>>128678253
>Do you have some sources of PP's corruption?
LEL, Is it enough for you that they are in the judges right now and some of their politicians are in the jail?

Ok, i searched the list of PP cases of corruption:

Caso Andratx
Caso Arpegio
Caso Baltar
Caso Bárcenas
Caso Bon Sosec
Caso Brugal
Caso Cooperación
Caso de la Ciudad del Golf
Caso del Lino
Caso Fabra
Caso facturas
Caso Faycán
Caso Gürtel
Caso Hügel
Caso Palma Arena
Caso Porto
Caso Rasputín
Caso Salmón
Caso Telemadrid
Caso Totem
Caso Troya
Caso Túnel de Sóller
Caso Umbra
Caso Zamora


Just search for any case of that list and see.

>>128678325
This

>>128678494
Nice words but Catalonia have never been independent.

>>128678588
>I just think you catalanes have this rose-tinted vision of what will happen post- independence.
you clearly suck at thinking, then.

>>128678325
>that would be agains the constitution YOU aproved YOURSELF!

that would be against the constitution that we aproved ourselves under death sentence if we didn't agreed them because we just left from a dictator government that cancelled our rights, culture and language for 50 years.

Seems legit.

Don't listen to them, Catalonia. You'll get your independence

>>128678608
>some of their politicians are in the jail?
Last week at some point they were literally talking on TV about how the PP in Madrid is running out of possible candidates if Cifuentes were to get definitely BTFO, because everyone is either in jail or in court.

>>128678913

I guess I can't compare to the deductive powers of a reactionary who can see into the future.

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>>128678951
I have no idea why do you do this, for what purpose?

>>128678608
Isnt Artur Mas being investigated for " El Caso Palau" ?
All of your Political Elite is as much or more corrupt than PP, you are just changing pimps.

>>128679025
It wasn't a question. It was an afirmation. I was just asking if that was enough for him.

>>128679107
>says the guy who was just telling me what will happen in the future and that people here have this specific view of the future that he tells me they have
allrighty then

>>128679233
I know, I just thought of that anecdotes because you said "some politicians" when it's closer to "all". Jus' avin' a giggle m8

>>128678608

Which one is in jail?

>>128679185
>Isnt Artur Mas being investigated for " El Caso Palau" ?
Yes it is. It is being invastigated, that's all, i think its just srategy to desprestige him, but who knows.

>>128662268
catalans are godless subhumans. franco did nothing wrong

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>>128675851

>Not culture

Actually it's a fucking glorious way of living anon. And the bull is food after all.

>>128679445
Artur Mas and his whole party are corrupt to the bone. But let's keep in mind that the spanish government has always known this and was ok with it until they started talking about independence. It's not like the spanish government ever before moved even a finger to fight catalan corruption.

>>128678837
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reino_de_Mallorca

Memory can go back milleniums.

>>128679467

Thank you.

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>>128679172
"Civil war was catalonia vs spain."
Another myth unless madrid and malaga are catalonia.

>>128679467
Seperatists*
Catalqns are spaniards

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>>128679510

>>128679510
>faggy pink stockings
>faggy clothes with faggy gold trimmings
>prepping the bull
of course you'd think its glorious.

>>128679445
Desprestige him ? The prior catalan government has confessed on corruption charges. And all points that Artur Mas is involved, how can you possible trust this guy?
http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/cataluna/2017-03-01/palau-corrupcion-millet-cdc-cataluna-escandalos_1340518/

>>128679736
Only a massive cuck would see it this way. God dam.

>>128679397
A list of all of them:
goo "dot" gl "slash" gwikm9

Like >>128679025 said
>Last week at some point they were literally talking on TV about how the PP in Madrid is running out of possible candidates if Cifuentes were to get definitely BTFO, because everyone is either in jail or in court.

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>>128679234

Because you've been propagandized to think the only way forward is out. You Europeans are so in love with socialism you think that just as long as the bureaucrats screwing you up the ass have similar last names as you its all okay and so it's just a matter of stoking feelings of nationalism in you to get you to agree to what your politicians want. Pure reactionaryism.

>>128679972
>says the guy who enjoys watching a fag prep his bull

>>128672842
Sigue las normas y habla ingles, fking gilipoyas

Even if Catalonia even get to hold the referendum it will be the same as they did in 2014:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014
They got about 37.02% of participation because mostly the hardcore separatist got to vote in this illegal useless "referendum" and even in this case they got a 80% of the votes.
Do your math, the separatists are less than 35% of catalans.

>>128679821

No but they don't care because they are blind sheep who've been sold a bill of goods from the local charlatan and can't see it for the scam it is. It's hilarious.

>>128680139
it's funny because I'm not a spanish national, I have no spanish/catalan family whatsoever, I hate socialism and I have no personal relation to this place other than having lived here for a few years.

But hey, keep telling me all those things you see in your crystal ball about what I and the catalan people think. I really needed some idiot in burgerland to tell me what the man in the street here thinks, or what the spanish and catalan governments are actually like. Thanks senpai.

>>128679821
Anyway, even if it turns out that he's corrupt (he wont) that doesn't change anything..

>>128680408
>this illegal and useless referendum PROVES BEYOND ANY DOUBT that there are very few separatists
spaniard logic

>>128679736
The Bull fighting represents a dramatisation of the Heroes Quest. A Live interpretation of St.John and the Dragon. A Hero who has to face the Monster to save the virgin. A Meta Story.

>>128662268
Delusional indepe general

>>128680089

Muh "Last week at some point they were literally talking on TV about how the PP in Madrid ..." I don't even know the party that well, but smell some serious bullshit. What TV-show? Spansh CNN? Or Catalan? Who's in jain?

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>>128680155

>>128680449

I work in the US originally from Ourense you dumb fuck but nice ad hominem to avoid facing reality. I remember when I was 19 and wanted to change the world, too.

>>128680599
Cuatro
LaSexta
Antena 3

Well, really. Any tv in spain was talking about it. Trying to deny PP's corruption is like trying to deny Milo Yannopoulos gayness.

>>128680572
Bullfighting represents the spaniard cuck prepping the moor bull so he can ravage his pure virgin wife and give birth to the mongrel that is the modern spaniard. A Meta Story.

>>128680765

"Well, really. Any tv in spain was talking about it" BAKA what is this. Spanish people talk a lot in general.

>>128680796
Catalan seperatists are all faggots

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>>128680758
represent

>>128680557
You are as spaniard as me friendo :^)
It will be the same, normal not separatas catalans will just ignore your illegal separatist fary tales referendum and life will go on like as always.

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>>128680796

Whatever you say schlomo

>>128680927
>Spanish people talk a lot in general.
>he has been arguing 15 minutes about something that can be checked in less than 5 minutes googleing.
Nice bait.

>>128662268
> When Romans conquered
sorry, never been conquered by ze romanz
> Fuck you arrogant bastards.

>>128681038

Los colocones que he vivido por esas calles..

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>>128680796
hahaha so much anger, I wonder why?

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>>128680599
First of all, you have to take into account that any of those corruption cases can take easily 20 years to be sentenced. This is done on purpose by the government, the law provides all possible guarantees on one hand, and the justice system is extremely underfunded. In fact, many cases by the time they even get to be judged have prescribded.

Pic related is the Aznar govt. circled is aznar (turqouise tie, in the center), and all his ministers who are in jail or in court.
His prime minister Rodrigo Rato, also the first spaniard to ever be director of the IMF is about to go to prison, it's almost inevitable. Jaume Matas has been in jail since 2014.

>>128679575
>vassal to the king of Aragon
>independent

>>128681339
>implying that football has something to do with catalan independence
Come paloma

>>128680758
>nice ad hominem to avoid facing reality
>says the guy who has used ad hominem, strawmen, predicted the future, and accused me of predicting the future
>ourense
should have known you're galician. Only a galician could be so vile.

btw don't bother replying, I'm not going to keep wasting time responding to a disgusting galician anymore. you people are the absolute worst scum in all of spain.

>>128681191

All i am trying to figure out is whether the PP is the problem or it is people like who makes a problem out of anything.

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>>128681339
A bit jealous maybe?

>>128681632
PP its the problem. Just look at the evidence and do some research, they are corrupt af.

>>128681525
It has everything to do with it, Artur Mas uses Barcelona Fc as a Media platform to expose the Separatist movement to the masses.

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>>128681361
Pic related is Iberian nationalist, degree, educated, high iq, strong, revolutionary.

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>>128681941
Pic related is average seperatist.

>>128681941
José Antonio was based as fuck. Obviously Franco had to have him whacked so he could establish his cucktatorship, because in Spain we can't ever have nice things.

>>128681587

Como quieras, amigo. A pesar de ti, los catalánes me seguirán cayendo bien.

>>128682127
Evil foul people follow and do evil and foul things such as seperatism which is faggotry.

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>>128681941
Jose de Larios, Duke of Lerma

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>>128662268
Free Catalonia! Spanish cattles begone!

>>128681751
you guys are insane, instead of fighting for your nation, you jump ship with the same kind of rats you accuse are the problem in the first place.

>>128662268
I half catalunyan (Casa Novas family name) but something that slash my heart is that you guys are commie scum
Anyway hope you dumbasses won

>>128666461
this so fucking much.

>>128682504

>mfw this poo means it literally and wants Catalonia to donate their cows to India

>>128682709

Liberals, what to expect...

>>128682721
>BAKA Catalunya-kun! *tears in his eyes* *runs away* and whispers while she leaves: "I hope you win Catalunya-kun".

Ty <3 no homo

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>>128683175

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>>128682127
Pic related is spain

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aI7TiqqGmC4

>>128683300
pic related is map of iberian rivers

>>128662268
We will enter like we did in 39. UNA, GRANDE, LIBRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtFZvQXkpQ