Europe needs a Second Amendment

>a continent filled with shitskins
>let's throw in some extra guns

but muh "CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS CAN ALREADY GET THEIR HANDS ON GUNS" - yeah that's why they used a fucking Hertz truck and butter knives

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>>128637431
No they really don't, Crime rates are so low because of the high standart of living and higher average iq, Introduxing guns will only increase murder and robbery numbers, not significantly, but it will still increase them. Introducing guns is not necessary.

Zeman points to Israel’s gun laws as an example. Being surrounded by Islamic countries and being Jewish, Israel has more experience with fighting Islamic terrorism than any other country. One successful lifesaving strategy is to allow trained citizens to carry firearms. For this reason, terror attacks are regularly stopped by civilians before too many innocents are hurt. Compared with Denmark, which has some of the toughest laws on weapons (you are not even allowed to own a pepper spray), Israel has three times fewer deadly accidents with firearms. And three times fewer gun related deaths than France, Finland and Austria – all countries where civilians are not allowed to carry in public.

We should start by allowing our officers and soldiers to bear their guns in their free time. They are professionals, and by allowing them to be armed when off duty, we would instantly multiply our societies’ protective force.

But even that will not be enough. The Islamic State has just issued a new order: faithful Muslims must attack the infidels in the only place where all families should feel safe – in our own homes. The police cannot be everywhere, and people must be able to stand their ground.

The Europeans need a Second Amendment. The only question is, how many innocent unarmed people will be slaughtered before lawmakers will be forced to allow people to defend themselves against this deadly menace that has been allowed into our countries by ignorant politicians, the anti-national EU, and the Islamic-dominated UN, all aided by a cowardly press that so willingly hid the inconvenient truths until it was too late?

>>128637750
>>128637798
And AK-47s, while you cucks can't even use pepper spray.

See part 2

>Introduxing guns will only increase murder and robbery numbers, not significantly, but it will still increase them. Introducing guns is not necessary.
PROOFS? Never happened in any country that did it. It seems to have no correlation at all, at that. Are thais samrter than the burmese? Are yemenites smarter than Indonesians?

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>r#ssia
truly a mongrel nation

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>>128638041
Compare americas Murder rate with europes, even if you look at the whit only stats America has more murders. Look i can see the Reason for a 2nd ammendmend in a Multicultural society, but in a White society it doesnt really have a place, it will only amplify the crazy people.

>>128637431
I'd very much like to have the 1st ammendment first. I think it would be nice to not go to jail for saying that you dislike what's in the quran.

itt, eurofags prove once again that they are faggots who can't grasp the basic idea of gun ownership.

>>128638432
America's most dangerous cities all have tough gun laws, their safest cities are filled to the teeth with firearms.
Now, the US has always had larger crime rates, for several reasons (always had large immigration, and male single immigrants are known to commit more crimes, probably has larger number of big cities than all of europe combined, shares a border with Mexico and is close to central america -aka most violent America-, has far more gangs than europe, and organized crime is more bold than normal crime, etc).
Show me that american cities with more restrictive gun laws are safer, you can't. Show me that the US got more dangerous as the number of guns increased, you also can't.

And your society isn't white anymore, Ahmed. Wake the fuck up.

>>128638446
b-but free speech is dangerous in a h-homogeneous white society goy, if you don't have 12% blacks you should let the government to tell you what to do, say and carry, they just want what's best for you, so much that they're even importing muslims to enrich you, unlike those redneck yankees with their backwards ways

>>128637431
The middle East really isn't more?

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>>128638446
>>128639026
Pic related

>>128639082
Terrorism and wars don't count as homicide, and they have strict penalties for crimes (even non-crimes are strictly punished), besides being very tribalistic and not attacking their own.

>>128639026
Well the towns that have strict gun laws tend to have democrats running them and blacks inhabeting them, look i dont mean to say guns largely increase murder rates, but they do make it harder for police to operate etc..
I think the best solution for homogeneous countrys is to have strict gun laws, because there is just no reason to introduce guns to a peacefull country.

>>128637750
If they can get their hands on weapons easily so do normal citizens.

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>>128637431
>france 50-75 guns per person
>spain 10-30 guns per person

there must be a couple hillbillies owning several hundred hunting rifles and shotguns around, because in any slightly urbanized area no one has shit, and access is not easy

All the talk about illegal arms is bullshit. I'm from Bosnia and we have a shit ton of illegal arms. Gun violence is quite rare.

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>>128639849
Well keeping peace is always harder than disturbing it, just because you can stop a terrorist or school shooter quicker doesnt mean you wount end up with more casualties in the end.

>>128640723
So if someone starts shooting people in the streets and there is no police around. Would there be more casualties if someone shoots that guy within 20 seconds or less?

>>128640411
it's even harder in most countries

>>128640671
cucks think if you make a law saying "no gunz plz" ahmed will just go "wtf I hate europe now" and fuck off back to the middle east

>>128641013
Of course this incident will end up with less casualties, but you will have more mass shootings.

>>128637431
dafuq is going on in greenland?

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>>128638722
let me redpill you on eurocucks

1. They don't think taking responsibility for their own lives and working is important, and are also deterministic cucks

>>128641255
I'm going to tell you this again, Bosnia has a shitload of guns, grenades and even rocket launchers from the last war. Gun violence is extremely rare. And if someone wants to kill a bunch of people gun restrictions won't stop that.

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>>128641419 (You)
>>128638722
2. They love daddy government even though he's an abusive father who tells the migrant kids next door to rape his kid and them beats the fuck out of him whenever he tries to complain about it.

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>>128641744
>>128638722
3. They hate free speech and think not being offended is a right. One of the reasons why they cuck so hard for islam

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>>128641842
>>128638722
4. They don't care that much about being cuckolds.

>>128641277
They're injuns and high on alcohol in a very cold place with nothing to do

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>>128641432
can you source your claim, i cant find any stats on bosnisas gun related homocide rate.

Well according to wikipedia your gun ownership is nearly half that of germany, so maby you can explain that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

>>128641842
>>128641744
>>128641419
This is just SAD, what happened to Europe

>>128642184
Because they don't have any honor. That's why Arabs love Germany/Sweden/France, weak men.

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>>128642323
that's legal, he's talking illegal
>>128642184
>>128638722
5. They're all globalists who ask the UN what to do instead of acting like men.

>>128642323
SFOR, tried to disarm us. Many illegal weapons left over it's impossible to count them, I personally have two AK's and a pistol.

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>>128642724
>>128638722
6. They're a bunch of cultural relativists (and probably oikophobes too) who think Ahmed's culture of raping his 5 year old male neighbor in Afghanistan is not inferior to theirs

>>128642829
Well if you cant count them we cant really argue that point.

Lets argue my other point, what is your reasoning for intruducing a lot of guns into a precefull white country. Lets take iceland as an example.

>>128638432
How many of them are commited with a legally owned firearm though?

I think there is a Crowder video on that.

>>128638722
Sadly, you are correct Ameribro.

We need more responsible gun-owners.

>>128643554
Well i think the illigal gun ownership amongs whites is pretty low, like i said if you dont take in to account anything but white people you still end up with a higher Murder rate.

But please like the crowder video

>>128638432
Did you not see OP's pic?

>>128643237
Switzerland has a shit ton of weapons, I don't see much gun violence in Switzerland

>>128642927
>>128642724
>>128642184
>>128641842
>>128641744
>>128641419
And there are other issues too, like being fedora-tippers who hate Christ but suck mohammad's cock, being moral relativists who have no coherent set of values based on which to criticize islamic barbarism in any meaningful way, and on it goes.

But these should show you why americans are less cucked than the US (even though their liberals might be the cuckedest of all, at least they have close to half their people fighting against it, while eurocucks are almost 100% cucked)

Any society that sees as it's priority making sure people are fined for misgendering than stopping terrorism is on it's way to the morgue.

>>128637431
I'd be taking those thug blacks out first
Blacks kill because they're stupid
Muslims less likely to do so but they have to go too

>>128644157
Atheists were the FIRST people to BTFO Islam and SJW bullshit, while the Pope is washing the feet of Muslims and holding services in Arabic.

>>128643237
Iceland is already on the top 15 countries with the most guns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country#List_of_countries_by_estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita.

It's just that they can't use it for shit and are all mentally cucked to hate firearms and self-defense.

>>128643237
iceland has 10% population of bosnia, and >1% population of germany, so it's not an argument

bosnia has very anxious population loaded with weaponry that's left from war and gradually upgraded because people like to have weapons
>in case of war
despite it's illegal

>>128644746
Pozdravljam brata ovom prilikom

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>>128643922
All Countrys tha allow private gun ownership are firs world countrys, they are not first world countrys because they have guns.

>>128643960
Well Switzerlands Gun Murder rate is 3 times that of Germany,
https://archive.is/mGdgV#selection-4167.0-4167.11
But Switzerland is a better country than germany, so the overall murder rate is lower.

>>128644607
they have the same amount of Privately owned weapons as Germany

>>128644746
I only jumped to Iceland because illegaly obtaining a weapon there is pretty much impossible, please give another example instead, and if you cant provide any clear number i really cant argue with you about that.

>>128645121
otpozdrav! kako je?

>>128645145
>any clear number
listen kid, the world doesn't revolve around numbers and statistics although they come handy in argumentation and for academic penis envy, essentially numbers of guns counted comes handy in situations where some retard shouts out loud his current political/religious shit in order to commit mass murder, by the simple rule - the more the merrier, meaning - more people have guns, the less is probability of such idiotism, the less - you live in culturally enriched society free of hate where you subcontracted your own freedom to state controlled freedom for practical reasons, get over with it. You probably have a richer life, but it comes with at the small fee of constant terror, learn to live with it or buy a gun.

>>128646036
Dobro je hvala na pitanju. Pusti ovog Nijemca, imam osjecaj da ovaj nema ni zere mozga.

>>128646307
glupi svabo, samo brojevi i statistika, nema pojma o stanju na terenu

>>128643882
I really hope it was this one Hans.

https://youtu.be/IULSD8VwXEs


My point is - take us for example (or like Switzerland, I don't want brag, just prove a point).
Very high gun ownership amongst populace, yet very small crime and virtually zero with legally owned weapons.

Somebody here mentioned Island, not sure if it were you, anyway - of course they will have no crime, they are a tiny nation of white people bpund to live together. It is different, when you have a populatipn of 300 million.

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>>128646036
Constant Terrorism is an Overstatement, but i agree, i was talking about a white community, surrendering your Right to own guns to the state then really makes sense when you dont fear tyranny and dont want to get shot.

But i will probably buy a gun in the future

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>>128644524
And that's precisely why atheists are more likely to be commie sjws (even Molyneux admits it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c), why they voted less for Trump than the majority of americans (guess who voted for him: evangelicals, mormons, the few catholics who go to church), why they're a bunch of cucks except for czechia, why europe becomes more cucked as it becomes more fedoraistic, why they are more multiculturalist and love islam more, etc. Let's not forget almost all of Geert's money came from americans, for ex, and that americans cared far more about not giving France to Macron than the French did.

Fuck, when you count only religious jews, even they are more based than fedoras (and generally too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4)

A few poltards do not represent the majority at all.

>>128645145
they have a little bit more, probably on the 2nd digit, and this is still more than most countries in the world, yet no more violence

>>128646036
>the world doesn't revolve around numbers and statistics
t. muslim intellectual

>>128646529
>when you dont fear tyranny

tyranny is constant threat, if you don't cut branches in your garden, one day you'll end up in jungle

same thing goes for the govt, and best protection is to buy chainsaw/gun (depending whether it's gardening or government)

>>128646482

>VOX

>>128645145
>All Countrys tha allow private gun ownership are firs world countrys
This is clearly false. Uruguay and islamic countries are up there, and they're all generally safer or as safe as their unarmed neighbors. Paraguay is a very poor shithole and they're safer than most countries in south america even having more guns than most of us. Thailand is well armed and quite safe. Fuck, even Lybia.

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>>128646482
Well I did "disprove" the switzerland thing, see >>128645145

You have half our gun ownership rate but still twice the amount of gun relatet murder
https://archive.is/mGdgV#selection-1275.0-1275.11

>>128646846
what do you mean by "2nd digit"

>>128647076
Well i cant argue with that, if you genuently fear tyranny your best bet is to own guns, i agree.

>>128637431
>tfw green in both
>no Muslims
feels Goodman

>>128647265
0.0y, like 0.01 larger

>>128646529
you eurocucks should look into gunsmithing if your right to own a gun is being denied. It's not hard but it's not for a NEET, you need a 70 dollar welder and welding safety gear probably another 20 bucks.

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>>128642270
I get it now

>>128637431
Argentina makes me doubt about how reliable your map is.

>>128646482
he has some other vids on this too, he's a cuck but some vids are good

>>128647252
Did you watch the video?

>>128647265
Sorry, didn't chceck the statistics, and was trying to compare it to the states, rather then Germany.

Either way, there is no real proof legal gun ownership = bigger crime rate, so what is the problem. It is not a question whether we need them or not (of which I believe we do btw), but whether having them has any real downsides.

>>128647972
Exactly. I used to like him, but goddamn is he a fucking neocon...

>>128648061
It is a question of freedom and taking responsibility and power over your own life vs being a submissive mind-controlled lemming but let me tell you, 1776 will commence again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhWf-9x7GM

>>128647950
Argentina is relatively safe and has a large number of hunters (at least compared to us).

I know people who go there to hunt. The entire country isn't Buenos Aires

>>128647591
Its not illegal to own a gun you have to be a "sport shooter" for one year to get the right to buy a gun.
>>128647471
well then they still have less guns than we do, and a higher murder rate.
>>128647260
Muslim countrys doesn't disprove me, all of them have low murder rates, only some have high private gun ownership.
Paraguay i agree proves you right, but Venezuela and guyanna prove me right.

>>128647591
or getting the 3d-printed guns to actually be good

>>128637431
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHX5jsomq_U

the bat is still in its packaging with the baseball under the handle kek

but yes dear god do I want gun rights

>>128648410
My point is that guns do not make countries more dangerous, because criminals don't give a flying fuck about gun laws. And keep in law this map is old. Venezuelans got disarmed and the country has just become an even worse shithole since them (and Maduro armed commie guerrillas to fight against the people, so the other part of the 2nd ammendment applies here, to keep a free state)

It's far more about laws,
cucked mentality and impunity. Although when it comes to terrorism (instead of crime), the article mentions european authorities saying having more guns would help. At least in the hands of policemen.

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>>128639262

Pic more related.

>>128649029
I agree, guns dont increase Voilence, like switzerland showed.
BUT i am arguing that its not necessary to introduce guns.
And i agree, Disarming Police is a dumb thing to do, Brits are delusional in this regard.

>>128648494
Thugs fear the gun. We recently had a case in the southeast where a guy had his store broken into and thugs stole from him with guns in their hands 11 times in a row. Then he bought a shotgun (a miracle around here, we're "may issue" and this "may" part almost never happens, unless you have a policemen who is pro-gun in your city, and even then there's no carrying and there are ridiculous restrictions), and after he shot the first thug who tried to steal from him in the 12th time (he ran away), no one else has tried to do illegal shit in his street.

>>128648410
well it's illegal to actually use.

What's the point of being a "sport shooter" if you can't carry, if you shoot a thug you'll get buttfucked by the state and either go to jail or get broke, etc?

What the fuck use are guns? Murrikans have em and the kikes still rape them on a daily basis. Haven't heard any militia rising up or anything.

>>128649616
Well you still own a gun, better than nothing, you are in fact not allowed to carry, however if you shoot somebody, that was accually about to cause harm; you wont be charged.

>>128650019
at least you can buy pepper spray unlike danecucks, and your people seem to be waking up
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7088/germany-weapons
>>128649750
>a non-country whose capital is 23% muslim and the capital of european globalism
And they have several militias, which is legal there, another point where they aren't cucked. I guess if the federal government rises too much (they're still waaaaay more federalist than anyone, so people can't force most shit they want on anyone outside state boudaries) or tries to ban gun, that's when you'll see some happenings. And plenty of soldiers would side with the people, another point where americans are more redpilled: their own soldiers are for people's 2nd ammendment rights and right to dethrone tyranny

>>128649750
You can use them to shoot a fucking mosley next time he tries to stab one of you for example.

Not very effective against trucks, I must admit.

>>128649360
Introducing guns into a noguns society(or even passing legislation for it and not enforcing it) has been proven to exponentially decrease violent crime. Kennesaw, GA is a great example. Don't have a link handy but essentially what happened was the local govt issued a city ordinance mandating that every household have at least one firearm in the home(unenforced of course). Violent crime plummeted 80% and is currently still holding at those levels. This was done in the 80s.

>30/50% of France/Belgium owns a gun
Sage.

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>>128650687
So can we settle this?
There is no real advantage to introducing guns into a peacefull white society. It will amplify the few crazy people, and make the polices job harder.

Banning melee weapons and other defensive stuff is pretty stupit, i really dont know what they are thinking.

>>128651096
Well there were still lots of guns in the country at the time, the whole argument is you dont need guns if other people dont have guns.
If the country is armed and you increase the guns it will of course decrease crime. But please sorce that later.

>>128647950

last year homicide rate was 6.6 per 100.000, it has never been over 10.
anyway, in comparison to europe it is not safe. There murder rate is around 1-2 per 100.000, Argentina is safe in comparison to the rest of Latin America (except Chile which is safer)

>>128649750
why rise up when living is pretty fucking comfy currently? Economy is good (if youre not a poor as fuck retail/food service slave), my town is >85% white, im surrounded by mountain ranges and bodies of water, and asian bushpussy is everywhere i look (large asian community where i live on the west coast)

>>128651639
>There is no real advantage to introducing guns into a peacefull white society. It will amplify the few crazy people, and make the polices job harder.
Nope. It'll make you not die when you're in the bataclan, and the only reason for being anti-gun is being a cuck. No one is gonna go in each and every home handing over rifles, and you don't even need laws as based as the US'. You can have a tight, controlled system like everything in germany, with thousands of background checks and internet spying. Crazy people would only get guns if the government let them (as it is now), and criminals would still not give a flying fuck and just go to some balkan's country to get an AK and blast the fuck out of people (the ones with the time to organize stuff, the losers would still use trucks and other more simple stuff)

>>128651096
We're seeing examples of this even here. Guy buys a shotgun, crime goes down. Criminals already have AKs and don't pay taxes anyway (a gun is expensive as fuck here), so they don't bother what laws we have

>>128651288
I gave a source, what do you have? Are you a urban and suburban intellectual? People in belgium even hunt and shit

>>128652333
>what do you have?
I've been living here since I was born and can state the fact than probably less than 3% of the population own a gun.
>muh source
I can also slap a random UN name on world maps edited using the bucket in mspaint.
>people in belgium even hunt and shit
Not an argument.

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>>128652333
Thats the thing like i said no need to introduce guns into a gun free country, germany opening its gun laws would not really help.

I dont hate guns, i like guns i want to own guns, but i dont want the rest of the society to be armed.

Of course Illegal weapons are a big issue, thats why i picked iceland earlyer, i wanted to make and abstrackt argumen: Introducing Guns into a society that is gun free, with no possibility of getting guns illegaly, will not be beneficial

>>128652935
check it yourself cuck, google it and look at it yourself.

Not everyone lives in your big city

The small arms survey is more credible than your opinion any day

And learn to read, this isn't "% who owns a gun", this is "guns by 100 people", or do you think 112% of americans own firearms?

>>128651639
Thread will die before I can be fucked to source anything. It's true. You can google it. And to add to your statement of "make polices jobs harder" every cop I know wishes everyone was armed. What do you think is harder to do? Conduct a manhunt on a guy or several guys that brutally murdered a family in their home and left little in the way of evidence thus creating the need for a years long investigation, or cleaning up a couple dead niggers in the family's home because the homeowner was adequately prepared to defend himself and his family?

>>128652953
You don't really believe your society(and I mean criminals) is gun free do you? Kek.

>>128653395
Belgium is a big deal in the gun industry, but maybe 0.01 % of the population own 100% of them.
Also you're a fucking monkey, your opinion isn't worth shit.

>>128637431
>everyone in Europe converts to Sikhism
>allowed to carry ceremonial daggers at all times
>immediately split into Indo-European Sikhism
>mandates that all male believers carry a ceremonial, loaded, gold-plated 1911 at all times

Eh?

>>128654198
>waaah waah, facts care about muh feelungz
t. you

>>128654398
We wanna kill the terrorists. Not get murdered to death when it jams after the first shot.

>>128653973
Well that is a very one sided argument, how about if a suspect is about to be arrested he will not be able to return fire.
>>128654147
Of course not, our criminals probably still have less guns than american gangs.
It's all about availability, in europe its possible to illegaly own a gun, but its harder than in america, and so not every thug on the street has one.

>>128654614
he said 1911, not PT1911

Lets take poland as an example, the have 1% gun ownership, gun murder rate of 0.04 on 100000 people. Imagine how the murder rate would look if poland was a rich country like Germany.

>>128654717
Yes he usually will if he's a real bad guy. If you're talking about regular joes that happen to be armed and are about to be arrested they typically don't shoot back or are the most upstanding law abiding citizens you've ever met. Most of us take pride in our right and we're not about to jeopardize that right over breaking the law. Source: the vast majority of American gun owners.

>>128655355
Now compare it with the czech republic, 2nd most armed country in the world and equally as secure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

>>128654897
A 1911s a 1911. Antiquated novelty gun that's been outperformed by countless other platforms.

>>128655583
I mixed it with Serbia. Czech republic is not the 2nd but it's still well-armed, and Serbia is very very safe too

>>128655605
What gun do you suggest?

>>128637750
>Swedish fag against common sense solutions
>Fag flag checks out

Go to sleep captain Sweden there will still be millions of N*ggers to sexually gratify tomorrow.

>>128637760
How about you kill yourself, Abdullah.

>>128655961
Really any modern striker fired double stack no smaller than 9mm and no larger or weirder than .45ACP. Glocks are the benchmark. Anything made in their platform is fine as long as it isn't Taurus or cheaper with the exception being HiPoint. HiPoints get a bad rap because of their price but I'd take one of those over any 1911 any day. But as for me personally I carry Glocks. Thousands of rounds and 0 failures.

>>128655835
Serbia has nearly dubble the murder rate of Poland

Czech Republic has a higher standart of living and a slightly higher GDP, they have 5 times the Gun Murder rate of poland. I never said guns make everything much worse, i said its not necessary to introduce guns.
>>128656435
>Has three terrorist attacks in 2 month and dares to call others Abdullah

>>128656458
>no smaller than 9mm
well it's probably illegal for me then (desu since I'm not 25 any gun is illegal to me), we can only use short guns with at most 300 foot-pound or 407 Joules, and they specify stuff like .22LR, .25 Auto, .32 Auto, .32 S&W, .38 SPL, .380 Auto

>>128656995
the link I gave gives them both the same murder rate

>>128637750
They stabbed people in a restaurant and all the idiots could do was throw bottles.

Had someone had a gun in there that jihadi would have gotten shot in the dick and forced to eat its remains

>>128653973

A lot of my relatives are police/LE in the U.S..

What you said is truth. They'd rather have armed citizens who will have their back (more likely than not) in a pinch than unarmed peons.

Also, with few exception they are convinced that the average "gun nut" is a far better and more competent marksman than the average cop. Just because "for one it's a job, for the other it's an interest".

OP needs to stop eating up all the hoplophobic nonsense.

What the fuck are people in Greenland killing eachother for?

>>128657575
booze

>>128657232
Well wikipedia says poland is way lower for 2012, but i can give you that, what disadvantages does poland suffer because they dont have guns?

>>128637750
And living in Sweden you're deluded if you don't think they've got guns.

Grown up in immigrant area along criminals myself I know for a fact automatic weapons are RAMPANT in the "ghettos".
There are WAY WAY more weapons in the hands of criminals and general retards than people would like to think or can imagine.

This country will wake up to a pretty harsh reality sooner or later. And then all the Swedes will have are hunting rifles with limited ammo

>>128657232
.380 is better than nothing. And they make a Glock for that. But if I had to get a .380 I'd probably go for more capacity. But idk if y'all have mag limits so if you do I'd get a Glock 42.

>>128657450
Lol yeah. And I didn't wanna get into it earlier but I was POST mandated and certified in GA as a peace officer(not a cop and never was). It was an option in college to go through the academy. Way more fun than sitting in a class and I got college credit for learning how to fight drive and shoot. Also why I'm so Glock brainwashed. Lol.

>>128657669
they lack freedom, they'd have a harder time organizing militias do defend from foreign invasion, they can only throw bottles at kebab if they try to murder them, they can hunt more effectively, they can live in bumfuck nowhere and know they can defend themselves if some psycho goes after them in the middle of nowhere where there is no police, they can protect themselves in a shit-hits-the-fan or natural disaster situation, or during riots, they have another activity to be occupid with when they're old to avoid alzheimer and shit, etc.

In this scenario Czechs have the best in any way you look at it.

>>128657783
it's too expensive to import and taurus has almost a monopoly with shady laws and taxes. Fuck them. They gave almost 100% of our police weapon's until recently too, when some states said "fuck you" and imported glocks and shit

>>128658409
>patented shake to fire feature
Taurus is terrible if it's not a wheel gun. But even then I wouldn't do it.

>>128658409
Also you can probably find a used one somewhere.

>>128638432
While you may still be under the illusion that you live in a white society today, you definitely WONT in 20 years. And when you go off to leave your suburban village and move into the city 20 minutes away for university, you will also no longer be in a white society. Enjoy it while it lasts. Your nation along with Sweden will undergo a culture shock with magnitude and speed that no one has seen before.

>>128658654
the handguns are shit, but are the rifles better? at least the rossi ones, cbc and shit

They're way more affordable

>>128658264
`Well i genuinely like not having a hunge likelyhood of getting shot over any of those, if some Psycho wants to cut you open you have a better chance to get away than if he shoots you point blank.

Like I said earlier cant argue with resistance against tyranny, but tyranny will never happen, the only thing people really see as tyranny is right wing goverments, nobody will rebell against high taxes or mass migration to the point of military resistance.

>>128637431
>0-10
Guns are legal here, but they are so expensive so people can't afford them.

>>128658962
Can't speak on the rifles. I built an AR for that. But I'm saying you can probably find a used non-Taurus somewhere that would work.

>>128659043
>tyranny will never happen
What is the XXth century?

And think about this. If their governments fail to protect their borders, and a bunch of rapefugees go to their farms, who'll be able to live better, the czech farmer or the polish farmer? No police nearby, just him and the rapefugees

>>128659391
Weren't you guys going to go full-cuck and ban them, tho? Or was this someone else?

>>128658846
I am well aware of that, its so sad, we will become a failed first world country just like you.
>>128659664
Like i said what people understand under "tyranny" will never happen in Germany, i agree on the second part.
The only thing i am arguing is the postive effects of the absence of guns in a homogeneous society.

The best thing would be to only author gun permits to Natives, but that goes extremely against german law and will never happen.

>>128637431
just ban niggers

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>>128637431
Europe needs an army of specialists.

>>128659664
Military grade weapons like assault rifles are banned. The ones that are legal are carbines, shotguns, and handguns. All must be be semi automatic and you can own a maximum of 5.

>>128660309
You're still wrong tho.
http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm
This is the best explanation of what happened I could find. Not a lot of coverage from the (((media))) obviously. And the search I did had snopes at the top shitting all over it while stating everything I said at the end.

>>128659555
I mean you can, but they're more expensive. Fuck, even a taurus gun can cost more than 1000 dollars, and is hard to find a 12 gauge pump-action shotgun for less than 600 dollars

>>128660754
still based them. Even in the US assault rifles are hard to get and very expensive. Your laws are based compared to most countries.

Can you carry, is there a license, caliber restrictions, etc?

>>128637431
If they hadn't let muslims in (or the jews fie that matter but whatever) they wouldn't need any guns.

>>128637431
Can't have that now. Don't you know that'll let criminals get guns legally?

>>128661092
Wrong about what?

>>128637750
Oh look its that cuck from a country where a woman was charged of a crimen for fighting off her foreign would be rapist with her illegal pepper spray.

>>128661371
About introducing guns into a noguns(kek) society. And it's still laughable that you actually believe any society is actually noguns.

>>128661924
Well Poland is still pretty gun free, i dont see how they would profit from allowing guns for their citizens.
Also one town with 30000 people living in it cant be your whole argument.
Your contry was never gun free, or even close to that, like i said when your contry is armed it can have a positive effect on Crime to introduce more guns, the same remains to be proven for gun free societies.

>>128661148
Yes, you need a permit to own a firearm and i think only concealed carrying is allowed.
The state recognizes your right to defend yourself, but if you use it against an attacker and kill them, you will be sent to prison for at least 7-15. That's why some people that stop a criminal flee from the scene.

>>128661148


>caliber restrictions


Anything over .50 BMG in rifles is considered a NFA item, subject to registration and a transfer tax with the Treasury Department. Other than that, no caliber restriction on rifles and handguns. Shotguns: Anything larger than 10 Gauge is considered a "destructive device" and also requires going through the NFA regulations to own one. However, in both cases, certain weapons on the Federal "curios and relics" list is exempt from NFA regulations.

>Can you carry

Carry laws vary from State to State.


>Other than NFA items regulated by the Feds and handgun purchase permits in some States, there is no license needed to own a gun.

>>128637431
Ayyy lmao love my 1911

>>128663024
>recognizes your right to defend yourself, but if you use it against an attacker and kill them, you will be sent to prison for at least 7-15
well it's as retarded as most of latin america then, no wonder this region is so shitty

>>128663419
that was to the honduran guy, I know US laws are mostly based

>>128637431
Fake news. US is at 113 per 100k for 2015.

>>128664062
113 is >75 tho

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>>128663832
>tfw when I can't write the same

>>128661652
that was denmark, but it could very well be sweden too

>>128664881
Why not buy a gun faggot?

>>128668882
don't wanna go to jail

>>128668931
Get an old person to buy a gun for you, old people can`t go to jail, read the code of law or something.

>>128669110
I can, for ownership. I'll just shoot the ones at the range

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>>128637798
Video is Palestinian in Israel stopped by armed citizen.
>in before only 9mm

>Greenland

>>128669370
There`s a lot of hoax websites on the internet selling guns, careful if you want to get one.

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>>128669573
The jew showed great restraint, should have finished the jitard off.

>>128669370
My advice would be, come with full information, the documents from the UN telling the reason why they banned guns, it wasn`t because of violence, gather information about before and after in regards to violence in their countries.
They will see there`s more violence, rape, robbery without them.
But do so in the morning or afternoon in our country, there`s more euros.

>>128669573

inb4 noted, but seriously has me thinking i need a new weapon. that dude got up and walked away.

>>128647076
Best quote on government I've heard is by George Washington
"Government is like fire. A dangerous servant and a fearful master."

>>128670676
Get a 10mm, you will kill them with noise alone.

>>128670676
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
FYI, when they decided to get better calibers.

>>128669573
fucking barbarian, runs people over and then grabs what? a fucking axe? and where did he hit that the nigga just straight up got up again?

>>128669573
if 9mm is so shitty, what the fuck is a good caliber?

>>128664881
Topcuck

>>128672173
There`s no such thing, watch YT ballistic gel videos with comparisons of calibers, pistols usually don`t have the stopping power a rifle has and so forth.
Take a look at /k/.
But imagine a bullet as a blade entering a body, if it enters heart or head the person dies, but mostly a gunwound will kill a person by bloodloss if not operated in time.
Pistol wounds are different than rifle wounds and a shotgun wound, there are videos from FBI medical specialists as well on youtube explaining it, they also have statistics about guns.
Have some self-defense burguers videos while you`re at it.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eCrs_MXxo

>>128672838
I always find it funny how these faggots are cowardly.

4, 5 armed thugs all run away whenever a single old person fires back at them.

Saw one where they ran into a store with their car, some old fag grabbed a shotgun, and all these pussies ran away

>>128657232
If it makes you feel any better, .32acp is actually a pretty deadly little round.

>>128658962
If you can go with a .38 Special revolver. Given your limitations, a seven shot aluminium frame Tracker would work well.

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>>128673095
Came back. Didn't realize this thread was still up. Here's my porch gun. Built it myself.

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>>128674859
What about this one?

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>>128675058
that's a big guy
>>128674859
never used a revolver. I can picture myself trying to fit those bullets in the proper holes in the middle of a fight and failling, but people recommended this before (not that I can even buy it btw, i'm not 25, and there is no carry - at least not until our shitty law isn't changed, luckily next year)
>>128674994
did you buy the parts or did you forge something?


pic unrelated: I was jus banned and then unbanned for something I didn't do, when I didn't even use 4chan, 3 years ago. Really makes me think

>>128670676
If you carry 9mm and are good with it, stay with it. The truth is, there really isn't much difference between semiautomatic handgun calibers when it comes to a one shot stop. Shot placement is king. A .22lr to the brain pan will be an instant stop while a 10mm to the gut likely won't be instantly lethal. Larger calibesr with more penetration are preferred, but if you have a good gun and ammo combination, don't mess with it. Full disclosure, my daily carry is a .357 Magnum snubbie loaded with short barrel ammo.

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>>128638432
>muh crazy people
Waiting for that argument that explains why being in a homogeneous society justifies stripping a right.

>>128671917
Shooter was probably aiming center mass. Tore his guts all to Hell and probably killed him. It just wasn't instantly lethal. Guns aren't a magic wand. People have kept moving after taking torso hits from .50bmg.

>>128672173
A rifle or a shotgun, which you really can't carry around in polite society, even in a place like the southern U.S.. Carrying a handgun is seen as simply being prepared. Carrying a long gun is seen as expecting trouble.

>>128675058
A Panzergewher would get the job done.

>>128637431
It's a God given right to protect you and your family. Riot if you have to but kill no one. To get this unalienable right. Godspeed anons.

>>128678240
We used to go into banks with a weapon in the waist, they started pushing small laws, taking a bite at a time, "can`t go that place, can`t go that other place, also, can`t go there armed anymore either".
Then comes 2006, referendum about guns, 64% of the population voted to keep them.
Politicians said:"yeah, sure, let`s put it into law"
And there they went, they put those little clausules you see on a law
e) something something
A subjective question you have to answer to the federal police, proving WHY you need a gun, in your own words, and then the police officer decides if you get the gun or not, if you have reason enough for it.
Result: Less than 100 people get gun permits per year.
And this permit consists of you having the gun, locked, unloaded inside your house, if they get you with it anywhere else you`re jailed.

>>128678240
they just keep a long gun in the trunk tho, right?

>>128676208
It's happened to me too. I bought the parts. No real forging skills... yet. I would like to try tho.

>>128678240
I OC at my bank here in GA. Never even been asked about it.

>>128637431
Your theory fails in Middle/Eastern Europe. It's green on both maps.

>>128678770
The media brainwashed you're people. Start there. I wish you had the right to defend yourself, but research the laws and find a way to do so.

>>128637431
europe needs guns

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>>128680122
The people voted against a ban even with everyone shilling for it. Like 1 TV channel was against (a small one), while all others were in favor, the Catholic bishops' conference was in favor, every fuging ngo was in favor, the UN was in favor. If it wasnt for oic related and a few other patriots running a great campaign to redpill the people, they might even have ammended the constitution with an anti-2A.

There is strong popular pressure for getting guns back (we even have like 136 deputies out of 513 and 2 or 3 senators out of 81 - the bill is in the chamber, where it originated - backing a bill to make us a shall issue country and make our laws less retared, more than people openly against it, and they oeganized a parliamentary caucus to focus on this exclusively), it is the nr1 issue people call the chamber to complain about, and when they open polls in the legislative's website it always is the most voted poll, with a vast majority in favor of guns. We have good chances of getting our rights back next year, and then we'll keep moving, lowering taxes, making imports easier, allowing morry calibers (this is currently under control of the army, which is being pressured to do so too, and conceded some points recently), getting a castle doctrine, etc.

See this article on the "no" campaign
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com.br/2006/07/brazilian-gun-ban-participation-of.html?m=1

And its even worse than what the anon said. They first wrote the law straight up banning guns de jure, then had a referendum to just rubber-stamp it but lost because their arguments were retarded, and then banned it de facto for the majority of brazilians

>>128637431
>that map
Argentina confirmed for white

>>128682347
I still have guns, robbers stole some 4 years ago, but I still kept two at the farm, one they didn`t found, recently bought another one, it would be nice to have them back though.
Also it would be awesome getting these:
>https://www.noveske.com/collections/rifles
or these:
>https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/firearms/rifles/bolt-action/65-creedmoor.do?c=118970.119860.476455.485255&sortby=ourPicksAscend&page=all

Liberal here.
I dunno why /pol/ keeps falling for the same fallacy over and over again.
>look, MORE GUNS DOESN'T MEAN LESS MURDER ALRIGHT, LOOK AT THESE STATS THAT ONLY CORRELATES GUNS WITH HOMICIDES, NEVER MIND OTHER FACTORS
>look, BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT MORE MURDERS ALRIGHT, LOOK AT THESE STATS THAT ONLY CORRELATES BLACKS WITH CRIMES, NEVER MIND OTHER FACTORS
>look, MORE MUSLIMS IN A COUNTRY = MORE CRIMES ALRIGHT, LOOK AT THESE STATS WHERE MORE MUSLIMS MAKE MORE CRIMES, NEVER MIND THE OTHER FACTORS

>>128678776
Absolutely. A good reliable "trunk gun" is part of being prepared. These days most folks go for some variation of the AR15. Whatever else you can say about it, it's the most popular rifle in the U.S.. Ammo, parts and magazines are readily available. Being the contrarian I am, have an SKS as mine with stripper clips loaded with alternating soft tip and full metal jacket ammo.

>>128683068
Fake news, as shown above several times, and as your country shows.
>>128683067
Thats the difference I guess, Im not rural or suburban so its harder to keep one or use it. At most I can go to a range and pay to use their guns

>>128683569
Why not carry a trenchgun too?

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>>128683068
Correlation isn't causation, but since crime in the U.S. has gone down as private gun ownership has gone up, I think it's safe to say more guns DON'T cause more crime.

>>128683611
>and as your country shows
I don't know why you say that though, every time you or any person on /pol/ talks about my country you all sprout ignorant shit, makes me chuckle.

Our media isn't so widely available online like other countries.

I don't want to read so tell me what post says the fake news please. Thanks.

>>128637431
why is greenland way up there in homocides?

>>128684052
Booze, suicide, small population, lots of natives.

>>128683940
All the ones talking with the German, comparing different countries, the very first post, etc. There isnt even a correlation here

>>128683857
I have a question, aren't the most states with the highest gun ownership rates the ones with the highest homicide rates?

Again, you are correlating only one factor. How about considering cultural, economic, intelligence aspects? How southern hicks recklessly value "muh guns" for one.

>>128684527
>>immediately split into Indo-European Sikhism
Don't have a nifty pic... but if you take out NYC/Chicago/LA greater areas our homicide rate is fucking balls low.

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>>128683694
You can. The issue becomes a practical one. How much hardware are you willing to haul around vs. what level of risk you expose yourself to on a daily basis. The key is to find something you are willing to carry every day and is comfortable as well as effective. The full size Glock 17 with two extra magazines does not good if you left it home in the safe because it's kind of a pain in the ass to strap on in the summer. Better a small gun with five to seven rounds than no gun at all. For summer carry, I've pretty much defaulted to a five shot .357 Magnum revolver that I carry in a pocket holster. It's small, powerful and slips in a pocket as I'm walking out the door.

>>128684527
It`s the opposite, Chicongo, Commiefornia and Jew York are areas with highly spic and groid population and they have the higher % of homicides and gun violence, they also have gun restrictions.
What happens on other States is a "mass shooting" from time to time that gathers international atention, but the numbers are meager in comparison to the others, and they usually don`t talk about news when someone with a gun kill the attacker or someone stops a robbery or whatever else and is a gun owner.

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>>128637431

>ultra progun hue nigger thread

good to see you back

>>128684527
States with the highest gun ownership rates do have the highest gun related death rates, but not necessarily the highest homicide rates. Homicides are the perview of large metropolitan areas with strict gun control. And speaking as a "Southern Hick," there is a culture of fierce independence from central authority. Comes from being settled by mostly Scotch-Irish Hillary people. We tend to be a rowdy bunch.

>>128684763
I want another rifle, they stole a heirloom in the family, my grandfather`s WW1 .380 rifle.
A police officer killed a kidnapper of my other grandfather with it, he borrowed it before they went after the guys.

>>128685843
Hill people, not Hillary people. Goddamned auto correct.

>>128684727
That's the thing anon, we all know that these areas are riddles with economically deficient people in a place with high cost of living. That's just another factor we need to consider.

We should not equate gun ownership with homicides.

>>128686018
You`re baiting really hard Pinoy, it would be the same as saying you have a gang problem or a muzzie problem and not a gun problem, that if you got rid of guns the gangs and muzzies would not be a problem then.
But, you see, statistics are a bitch, there`s examples in other countries where you can clearly see you disarm the good people in the population, the bad hombres keep getting guns anyway since criminals, by definition, are non-law abiding citizens.
In regards to the US, well, gun crime happen in areas where guns are forbidden, therefore those are illegal weapons being used and not legal weapons, how many crimes are commited by legal weapons against illegal weapons in the United States of America, then?
Really boggles your mind if you find that out.

>>128637750
>guns so expensive only whites can buy them
>guns only sold in Swedish language when shitskins speak derka derka

Why is Chicago green? We had like 700 people shot to death here last year. We only have 2.3 million people too. That's one out of every 23,000 for us.

>>128685961
I wish you luck and am sorry you lost a heirloom like that.

>>128686263
Anon, I don't argue against banning guns outright, but I do argue with strict gun control policies as the solution.

Anyways, if gang problems are the problem then try to solve the aspect of why they exist, like in slums, because of economic problems, you just said it yourself, if taking away guns don't solve problems then giving guns without any kind of restriction solves the problem? No it doesn't.

It's like how you solve a gang problem by giving away guns to the masses, and 1% of those masses now have guns but are retarded in using them or got them from incompetent gun owners, and this 1% is more than the gangs the society tries to combat.

So in essence, you gave even more people a chance to do something stupid.

This argument is useless. I work with a lot of eurocucks. They want to shoot my guns, but they'd never dream of owning one themselves. I've often heard them say that they wouldn't trust themselves with a gun. Gun control for leftist cucks is a good thing.

>>128654717

Criminal suspects can return fire either way cause criminals don't give a fuck and will arm themselves either way.

The kind of guy willing to shoot a cop to evade any kind of lesser criminal charge is not the kind of guy who's going to pay heed to gun control laws.

>>128639589

It's funny how you can talk out of your ass so much Hans. . . With achmeds dick stuck in it.

>>128686876
A poor guy... will buy a gun.... to steal money?
Nobody give guns away like candy, you`re deluded.
Gangs will get guns anyway, also, drugs are banned in your country, how come they have so much drugs?
You see how that works?
Legal or illegal, black market will always exist to cover for that portion of the market that was forbidden.
Same way that legalizing drugs won`t solve the problem with the black market, having legal guns won`t solve the problem of the black market either, therefore the black market will be used by criminals, mostly, by default, you`re simply removing the right for law abiding individuals to own guns.
Police and military aren`t Gods, they`re not omnipresent nor omnipotent, therefore you should be able to defend yourself.

>>128686876
The period know as the "Wild West" was the period between the Civil War and WWI. Despite the name, it was the most peaceful and crime free period in America history. There were no firearms laws, and all drugs were completely legal. The more laws you pass, the more crime there will be. Because at some point you make too many laws which causes contempt for the law as a whole.

>>128687868
gods*

Based Switzerland

>>128685961
what model was that?
>>128684763
do you always keep a long one in the car, or just for long tr1ps and shit
>>128685043
dunno if that's me, but I make gun threads from time to time, but most hues who aren't libtards or dont give a shit get more pro-gun every year.

>>128688347
I tried to search for an image of it, couldn`t find it anywhere, there wasn`t any brand in the rifle.
Possibly handwork.

>>128659043
>if some Psycho wants to cut you open you have a better chance to get away than if he shoots you point blank.

I'm pretty sure if you are gonna get stabbed, they will do it when they are as close as possible to you. If you get shot there is a chance they will miss, gun will misfire or the bullet passes through a non-vital area.

>>128685961
>A police officer killed a kidnapper of my other grandfather with it, he borrowed it before they went after the guys.

The police had to borrow your gun? Like they couldn't supply their own?

>>128637431
based Japan blows everyone out of the water yet again.

>>128688234
Nobody carries guns, its just a meme.
We dont have violent nigger hordes (give it a one digit number of years we will) thus eliminates the need for the tool.
But i am getting a gun soon

>>128689099
No, they had handguns, but my grandfather offered his gun so they could use too.
At the time, the case was solved because my father worked for the government in the capital, otherwise they would`ve dragged their feet.
My mother found out he was kidnapped because my grandfather made a different signature and the check came back from the bank and then they went after the guys, found them near a river close by some woods nearby the city.

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>>128689175
Indeed they do

>>128689450
kek

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>>128638432
>Look i can see the Reason for a 2nd ammendmend in a Multicultural society, but in a White society it doesnt really have a place, it will only amplify the crazy people.

Exact perfect inversion of the truth, par for a SJW cuck tanned German.

>>128637431
Giving them weapons might not help them so much. If you don't have the guts to pull the trigger then the weapon is useless. Give the euros weapons and teach them how to fight by getting rid of that cuck culture they have been ruined by. They need to learn how to be men again.

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>>128689175
You going "camping" this summer Isokoru?

>>128689099
depending on the city, no

Peopl in a small city in southern brazil had to get together to buy rifles (not with taxes, with money they took out of their own pockets willingly) to the police, since they didn't have enough guns or guns good enough/in good enough conditions to fight a wave of bank robberies, where criminals used better rifles than the police

(the people bought 5.56 imbel rifles, probably the IA-2)

>>128690227
He meant the thing in regards to my family, not another particular situation.
Also, police nowadays don`t give a fuck about bank robberies, the only way they care is if, after stealing the bank, the police wants to go after the money.
If they receive a call saying "come here, help us, the bank is being robbed, they have automatic weapons".
The police will sit by and wait for it to end, since the bank have assurance policy for the money stolen, if it was a good amount and they have leads, they might go after the guys to try to grab the money, otherwise, they don`t give a fuck.

>>128687868
>Nobody give guns away like candy, you`re deluded.
But that's my argument, sticter gun laws.

> drugs are banned in your country, how come they have so much drugs
Uninformed opinion so I'll disregard that

>Police and military aren`t Gods, they`re not omnipresent nor omnipotent, therefore you should be able to defend yourself.
Same with any human, really. They are prone to incompetence and error, so why is giving guns to people any different? It exasperated the problem of carelessness rather than control it.

>>128690681
You don`t even make sense.
Having a market for people to buy guns freely instead of having laws against it in general terms is better than having laws that turn regular citizens into criminals if they simply carry a gun, and it also reduce violence.

>>128690681
>http://www.manilatimes.net/ph-center-of-world-drug-trade/64443/
Uninformed opinion?
>Involvement of government officials and employees.
>From 2010 to 2015, 623 government officials and employees were arrested for drug possession, according to the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA). Of these, 45% were government employees while 30% were elected officials and 25% were police. Several government officials have been arrested for drug possession, like former PDEA Special Enforcement Service director and Lieutenant Colonel Ferdinand Marcelino but released months later after some clarification in the ongoing investigation.[23]

>There are also alleged involvement of Philippine National Police generals on drug trade. On July 5, 2016, President Rodrigo Duterte named 5 generals alleged to be involved in drugs, namely Marcelo Garbo Jr., Joel Pagdilao, Edgardo Tinio, Bernardo Diaz, and Vic Loot. All of the five claim they did not have any involvement in illegal drugs.[24]

>In his I am sorry for my country speech, President Duterte revealed the names of 150 government officials that have been found to be involved in illegal drug trade. There have also been allegations of government officials' involvement in illegal drug trade at the New Bilibid Prison.
I had a Pinoy friend, he took photographs with glocks all the time, he was a fine lad.

>>128691529
>Manila Times
Opinion automatically disregarded, do more research.
Yes, you are uninformed. Please stay out of matters you don't know.

>>128691106
No it doesn't. Giving people guns freely is giving more people you can't trust a opportunity to kill with something as dangerous as guns.

>>128691725
You`re not giving people guns freely, it`s a market, they buy if they want to, to defend themselves.
Everything is dangerous, if someone intends to kill you, they will kill you anyway, stop baiting, a gun simply even the grounds between you and other person that mean to attack you.

>>128637431
whats going on with greenland?

>>128692063
chronic depression

>>128637760
serbia says hi

average iq 86

africa tier economic standards

so... your assertment is bullshit

>>128686714
Much obliged.

>>128692220
Still a good country nonetheless, better than here.

>>128637431
I don't believe you since that picture shows Greenland as the murder capital.
>but noone lives in Greenland

>>128637431
fake

>>128693205
no my point was serbia has a low average iq and low living standards, yet then don't kill each others.

Meaning his theory about "hurr durr muh gun crimes are a result of poverty" is bullshit.

>better than here.
Meh, you have palm trees and the ocean at least.

>>128693535
I`ve never seen the ocean, only at the TV, I live in the midwest.
More like forests, soy, maize and cattle.

>>128693398
it's per capita

>>128693480
not an argument

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>>128637431
Fake data. Having guns means more killing. It's common sense.

Guns kill people, people don't kill people.

>>128638432
This is the most fucking annoying thing every time I see it I swear
>start talking about firearms laws
>person I'm talking to starts foaming at the mouth and screaming BUT AMERICA AMERICA

Why is everyone to the left of thatcher pathologically incapable of separating 'firearms legislation' and 'america' in their minds?

We even had several politicians in Switzerland claim that the rise in gun ownership in Switzerland is bad because of the stuff that happens in the USA.

>>128693535
>

It's partially true though. SES, intelligence and race are all correlates of violent crime and I would say Serbia (and say, Apalachia) has lower crime rates than may be expected based on IQ and wealth just because of the high empathy and social cohesion that are characteristic of white peoples in general.

>>128637431
What's up with Greenland?

>>128692051
Then your argument is pointless and even more dangerous if they buy if they feel like it, it leaves even more people susceptible to gun violence against incompetents.
So yeah, I'm not baiting, your argument is just plain unrealistic and dabbles in chaos, beyond remorse.

>>128694838
And your point speaks against reality itself, if you forbid law abiding citizens to own guns, criminals feel free to buy guns anyway and commit crimes against everybody they want without repercussions.
You`re the one with satanic logic, projecting it upon me.

>>128694548
>Murder rates are done "per 100,000" of the population.

>But the whole population of Greenland is only 56000. So if there were only one murder in the whole country that one would give it a "murder rate" of 2 (which is higher than "the rate" of most west european countries).

>(Greenland is the same physical size as Mexico which has 100 million people, but only has only 56K people).

>There were 11 murders the year it was 19.2. >According to that same website Greenlands murder rate has varied over the last 15 years from a high of 30, to a low of 3.49. For actual murders that would mean something like 16 actual murders down to like 2 actual murders in a given years.

>So part of it is probably a statistical fluke caused by the country's tiny population size. >But still, they do seem to have more murders than they ought to for some additional unknown reason.


BTW keep in mind eskimos were one violent group

>>128694548

Natives in the North are fucking savage. Up here up in Nunavut we have pretty horrid violent crime rates as well but they don't show up on the national crime rates caus their population numbers are so low.

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>>128637431
>europe needs a second amendment
>infographic shows good amount of gun ownership in europe
>also shows not many homicides in europe

>>128696236
it's not a second ammendment tho. There are restrictions on what they can use, they can't use it for self-defense, there is no carry in most countries, on some it's just for "sports" and if they shoot a terrorist they go to jail (fuck, even pepper spraying a rapist is punished in europe)

>>128641419

This. Hate to be an eurocuck. Im going to move to god blessed texas as soon as possible. Burgers do you have nigger problem in texas? If so, is it getting any better?

>>128696441
oh okay that is more clear. They can't have concealed firearms while in public is what you mean.

But then again, their homicide rates still seem pretty low, why do they need this exactly?

>>128697002
the article says it, read it
>>128637431
>>128637798

>>128657368
Oh the things I would do to one of those jihadis if I managed to subdue one alive in that bar. I wouldn't even wait for the police, I'd gouge the fuckers eyes out and cut off his hands with his own knife so he can't hurt another innocents life ever again. I'd also leave him alive after all that.

>>128640411
>Not being ready for civil war
Hehehe

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All free men should have firearms, or any other practical weapon they want, to defend themselves and those around them.

The problem for Europe is not the "weapons", but finding "free men" to have them....

>>128698511
exactly, as shown in these
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>>128638313
you a firearm own do?

Honestly the 2nd amendment is only necessary for niggers.

If you introduce widespread gun ownership to countries that are already mostly white/peaceful, only bad things will come of it.

In the US, we are currently facing a huge problem. As a member of the NRA, I will admit that the current widespread gun craze in the US is potentially dangerous for the republicans. Here's why:

>more and more people buy guns
>less and less people know how to handle them properly
>bar fights turn into firefights because every dumbass has a pistol on him

I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but just wait until a "George Zimmerman" kills a young white teenager.

>>128701633
>>more and more people buy guns
yet crime is still at an all-time low

Sage goes in all fields

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>>128701633

It's not a gun problem. It's a nigger problem.

And if the US did not take away the guns from the good black people there would not be very many niggers left today.

>>128676208
>I can picture myself trying to fit those bullets in the proper holes in the middle of a fight and failling

Speed loaders solve that.

>>128641419
What is worse about that is only 57% of US think so only slightly more than half. SAD

>>128702100
I'm not saying we should take away guns. I'm saying we should urge people to learn how to handle a firearm properly.

I literally watched some 45 year old redneck pull a gun on a high school kid outside of a bar.
>the 45 year old completely started it
>the high school kid told him to fuck off >they got in each other's faces
>next thing you know a gun was drawn

Like Jesus Christ fight with your fists like men

>>128702369
its even worse when you look at millenials only

>>128701633

But whites are a minority around the world while niggers are being pushed into white neighborhoods by Jews. Don't let them have a single inch anon lest you want to wake up one day with draconian gun laws.

No, we don't. We're fine as is, thanks.

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>>128638432
>Germany

>>128705005
What does it say?

>>128637431
> greenland's heavily homicidal
Wot?

>>128637431
>europe needs a second amendment
we need 1st amendment to begin with

>>128707056
Well, we kinda have that. More than the westerners.

>>128637750
>they can get grenades but not guns
>t. 100% born and bred swedistani native

>>128669871
Well I never said Gun death would come anywhere near cancer and hear disease death.
You could do the same thing with terrorism, but that just evades the point
>>128676319
Well like i said earlier, i prefer not getting shot as easy, i think in some cases interference by the goverment is a good thing, e.g. border controll infrastructure and child labour.
>>128687816
Saying Towns with few guns are likely run by democrats and therefor inhabited by blacks isn't such a huge assumption is it?
>>128688980
Well it's still harder to stab someone than to shoot him, i never said without guns you would have no murders or worldpeace, i said i would pprefer not getting shot.
>>128690061
Tiny Completely white country with one of the highes living standarts in the world. Still has only slightly less murders than Poland.
Also they have fewer gun ownership than we do
>>128694342
What is wrong with taking america as an example?

>>128677961
Is there a video documentation of that? I need to see this.

>>128638432
>but in a White society it doesnt really have a place
western europe is a multicult society

>>128713066
Sure thing, like i said earlier the goverment should start only authoring gun permits to natives as a solution, what i was arguing was that countrys like poland or Japan would not benefit from introducing guns