How to Fix American Catholicism 1. Restore the Latin Mass to

Hispanics are the vanguard on American Catholicism, believe it or not.

You don't have to worry about Latin mass, because they'll almost all be either in Spanish or Latin soon anyway.

>1. Restore the Latin Mass to every church
No.
>2. Bulldoze shitty modern churches with buttugly Protestant architecture
No.
>3. Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level
Yes.
>4. End communion in hand
Yes.
>5. All females have to wear a veil inside church and an end to female eucharistic ministers and altar servers
Yes and meh.
>6. Ban talking inside church that is not praying
Yes.
>7. Vet new priests for homosexuality and send homo priests into early retirement or monasteries
No.
>8. Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment by civil law or an honorable death via guillotine
No excommunication. Yes punishment by civil law. No death.
>9. Enforce a dress code in church
Already exists.
>10. Excommunicate divorced couples until the reunite
Can't excommunicate for an action the church doesn't recognize.
>11. Promote Latin whenever possible
meh

>>128636795
whats next genocide all protestants and baptists? i know you want to

>>128637873
This guy

>>128637873
In an ideal world

But America is far too diverse to ever attempt that

America just has to be free for all types of Christians...Ill even give Mormons a pass

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>>128636795

I like it

>>128637543
Have you ever been to an American Church
There needs to be a dress code

Dads in shorts and t-shirt
Sons in sweatshirts and jeans
Girls in spandex and long sleeve tees

Its actually disgusting

The shit that pisses me off the most is when old people talk right before mass. You should shut the fuck up because people are trying to pray. Take your old ass women gossip outside

>>128639407
Really? I've never seen that. Only churches I've ever been to say out front there's a required dress code.

>>128636945
Thats half the problem with Mexicans...they aren't Americans and don't even try to be

They are invaders

They are also very superstitious...to a retarded point. I can see why Protestants would consider us to be worshipping idols the way Mexicans behave in church

Is there an online Latin Mass I can listen to at the proper times on Sunday? Or are you guys going to force me to be less autistic and actually go to fucking Church.

>>128639619
Im just telling you what I saw yesterday at mass

The very least guys should be wearing collared shirts

>>128639831
There are plenty online if you are a fucking grandma in a wheelchair

Go to mass dickhead

You might actually enjoy yourself. Its good to get outside the house

>>128636795
it's funny because I was an atheist for most of my life and would've found this appalling, but now I agree completely with you OP
Church should be sacred

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>>128640633
>>128640500
Witnessed

>>128636795
>3. Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level

Catholic teachers are going to have to start teaching Catholicism to begin with. I haven't been a Catholic for long but one thing I picked up on is that whenever somebody says "I went to Catholic school..." they almost always follow it up with some heterodoxy or heresy. I don't know why this is but it's happened enough times that I've decided to never send my kids to a Catholic school because I want them to actually be Catholic when they get older.

>>128641361
I would personally love to teach at a Catholic School. Right now I only volunteer for Sunday School nearby

The average Catholic School teaching salary is like 30something thousand. Around where I live you need to be making at least 50k to support yourself. If you want a family it needs to be around 90k to support wife and kids.

The pay basically ensures that only single women and Moms can be teachers.

Surprise surprise...women are fucking liberals especially when encouraged by a left leaning church

>>128639407
here in Europe, catholic churches already have a dress code.

lots of tourists try to enter the churches because they forget its primary function is prayer and not sightseeing and are denied entrance because they are dressed like they are in some fucking Safari

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>>128636795
>Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication

Only a Catholic

The world's OLDEST pedophillia ring.

Anyone who takes his kids to a Catholic church is really fucking asking for it. You might as well make them Disney Channel background extras and 'hope for the best'.

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>>128640633
>Master of the Royal Secret

Is the royal secret that you fuck boys ass?

>>128636795
sounds pretty great actually

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>>128642218
The Catholic Church is not a pedo ring. Yes there are pedos in it. Yes there are gay priests. Yes the church is very liberal right now...but the liberalization of the church really only began in the 1960s.

You can't blame an entire organization for what a couple fucked up people do.

You know better than this.

This is the same nigger logic that would have us believe that the police is a criminal organization with a function of shooting dinndus

>>128642218
>>128642356

Only a Catholic?
Get a grip on reality.

Teachers and protestant priests are more likely to be pedophiles than Catholic priests.

So, fuck off and go shill somewhere else.

>>128642356
Yeah in Masonry it actually is

>thinking catholicism be anything again other than the religion of niggers

I can't wait to see the first black pope, it'll hammer the nail down on the term KEKHOLICS

>>128636795
>Restore the Latin Mass to every church

explain that for filthy protestant please

>>128643103
>I can't wait to see the first black pope

Me too.
But just because for once it'd be good to have a Pope that actually knows what muslims are like to Christians, instead of another soft shit like the current one.

Bring back Janie Pawle II and it will fix itself or Benedict 16 would do the work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AUTfvUvMCM

>>128643538
How does a catholic church not have latin mass?

>>128636795
>How to Fix American Catholicism

Poison the wine

>>128643669
because people wouldn't understand shit

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>>128643104
In American Churches they basically got rid of the Latin Mass which was said for hundreds and hundreds of years...up until 1960

Vatican II basically turned the Catholic Church over to liberals...and Pope Francis is basically the fruit of this liberalism

Latin Catholics want conservative restoration of the old ways and attitudes

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>>128636795
deport spics

>>128643669
It wasn't popular enough anymore, so they introduced the New Coke somewhere in the 60's.

The first sign of a loser is that he tries to adapt to others to be thought of as cool.

>>128643930
Hence people need to be taught Latin

The mass isn't necessarily about understanding what is being said...its about the priest offering up the holy sacrifice of the mass to God

Latin is the language of the church...and having Latin in every church around the world ensures that every mass is basically the same. I could go to France, Spain, Germany, Poland and hear the same mass (except the homily would be in the vernacular)

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>>128644294
>wasn't popular enough

Actually it was very popular and worked fine.

Fucking progressives ruined everything. You basically took a perfectly fine...well oiled machine and ruined it

>>128643669
VATCIAN II
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Liberals, Jews, Atheists, Commies and Progressives hijacked the church and set it on a course for KEKKKKkkkkkkkk

We need to work on trying to convert and unite all of Christianity in Catholicism. Catholicism needs to invest more into building schools throughout North America/South America/ and Europe to ensure a growth within the church. They need to quit trying to pander to liberals and start trying to rally conservatives/middle grounded people around their cause.

>>128644936
Ah ok, yeah that's quite the kikery.

In Germany the mass was in German for several centuries already against the wishes of the Holy See.

>>128645750
The reason why using a dead language like Latin is so great is that the meaning of words never changes.

Think about modern languages and the word gay. Saying someone was gay in 1914 is very different from saying the same thing in 2014.

Using one language also ensures that the faithful can go to any mass and understand exactly what is going on...the only difference being the homily (speech) is in the vernacular

When all of Europe was Catholic...scholars wrote in Latin because it meant everyone could understand each other and share ideas easily.

I love Latin and the old school mass in Latin is 1000x better than our modern fake mass

>>128646226
I guess. The highest Catholic priest in Germany is extremely cucked though. Still WAY better than the German Protestant Church. The German Protestant Church in way to the SJW-left of the average German.

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>>128639407
>>128639857
>Mfw I go in jeans and a button up with nice shoes because of comfort.

>>128646559
in= is

>implying Christianity wasn't a ploy by the Jews so that we would be more servile and peaceful to our overlords
>implying you all aren't cucks
All will be made right in the afterlife goyim

>>128636795
>"How to Fix American Catholicism"

How to spread belief in fairy tales.

>>128636795
>Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment b

1 in 3 catholic priests are pedos, you would cripple the church if you banned them. There is a shortage of priests we need to keep them.

Yes good go- I mean faithful ally. Don't forget to pay your local priest, he needs money for those poor Catholics in Nigeria and Chad. After all, you are a good Catholic, are you not, you know it means you have to pay HAND OVER YOUR SHEKE- ahem I mean donate a dollar for our poor church.

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>>128646559
The old priests right now are the worst..and they are the ones in power.

The younger generation of Catholic priests (especially from the Latin groups) are pretty old school and hardcore. Good times are in the future once the old Vatican II liberals die off.

>>128646603
>nice button up and good shoes

Thats really not that bad

>>128646751
Agreed

I bet you these stupid cunts feel great when they give up a couple hours pay to the coffer.

>>128636795
I like your attention to detail. But, you are missing a key point, and that is to rally the base. IF you don't begin to creat a base, either through the generation of dank catholic memes or whatever, then you will not have people be PRE-disposed to your ideas. Simple social engineering bud. Finally, I will say that the liberals in the hierarchy of the Church need to be, 'taken care of', if you know what I mean.

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>>128646737
>>128646936
Sure thing

Protestants are the Jewish bootlickers. Catholics have merely gone along with it just since the 1960s.

Protestants have always sucked Jew dick. Protestants are the reason Jews were even allowed in Europe and gained a foothold though banking

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>>128646936
Reminder that Catholics allowed Jews to become wealthy by giving them the exclusive right to loan money on interest

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>>128647200

Historically the catholics have been the tool of the jews. Nothing positive has ever come from your pagan LARPers.

>>128647162
Here is your Vanguard

>Tridentine Mass Societies
>SSPX
>FSSP
>Possibly SSPV (very radical)
>Ignorant Trump voting conservative Catholics

Its funny because these small traditional groups are the ones putting out the greatest number of new priests, monks and nuns

Give it time...the conservative wing is returning to Catholicism

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>>128647442
>historically

lel no leaf

The Protestant Empires were built on Jewish finance.

>>128647278
Catholics kicked Jews out of every European country except Poland. Fucking Catholic Poles ruined it. I think it was because Polic Lit Comm. was multireligious anyway.

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>>128647162
pic related is somewhat of a dank catholic meme. However, rather than bashing silly protestants, i propose we bash modernity in all its stupidity. Also, emphasis on the family and future.

>>128647624
Unironically posts Pole. The race that gave asylum to all the European Jews.

>>128646976
Literally what I wear to any official event. Went to my mom's for Christmas and she blew up when I arrived at mass like that.
Would agree with your posts that we need to re-institute Latin mass for all places. Remember going to the Basilica of the National Shrine two years back for a midnight Latin mass on Christmas, quite beautiful.

>>128647200
Protestantism is Catholics who are sick and tired of the Catholic church being a fucking money grabbing scheme.

It's literally a protest against Jewry.

>>128647645
Catholics are Jews.

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>>128647278
>Protestant revisionist history

Northern Europe let the Jews stay and then permitted usury to fund their empires and constant wars

The Jewish leech was created by Protestants

>>128647200
Holy shit fucking based. How come I've never, until now, heard of this super based Catholic Priest.

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>>128647624

Calvin and Luther both hated Jews. Meanwhile (((Catholics))) bowed to them for centuries. You pagan LARPers are muslim tier.

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>>128647919
Martin Luther ate his own shit because he thought it had health benefits

>>128648026
Wow you must not have been paying attention in school, he went head to head with FDR remember?

His anitsemitism eventually led to his demise

>>128647919
I agree in certain respects. But you should also remember that Protestants often become money hungry kikes also, especially when the leasers have children and raise them off of the money from their protestant pulpits.

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>>128648056
>Tolerated

Like the Spanish Inquisition?
Jewish money is the only reason why Canada is British fool

>>128648026
thats because the Jews don't want you to know about him. This guys was a leading radio personality around the country...let that sink in for a second.

>>128648270
Shieeett. I went to Catholic school bud. I don't think he was taught in the curriculum.

>>128648223
Damn that quote is incredible

>>128646751

This. These papist circlejerk topics are tiresome because they always end in deus vult garbage, pining away for the pre-Vatican II glory days, and calling any criticism heresy. Same defense mechanism for the last 500 years.

Protip: the church is cucked and it isn't coming back to save Europe. Its future is with niggers and spics in Africa and South America now.

There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.

Have fun believing in leprechauns and unicorns, dipshits.

>>128636795
>How to Fix American Catholicism

Catholicism in America is "done". Mainly because the denomination has become a third world (Latin American) one that looks the other way when it comes to pedophilia.

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>>128648547
>Its future is with niggers and spics in Africa and South America now
nope nope and nope. Nice try though, shall i say, shill. You can't demoralize the children of morality.

alternatively, "how to ensure even less people go to church"

>>128648223
Im orthodox I don't give a flying fuck what Martin Luther did. If anything, to me Protestantism is the tiniest bit better than Catholicism and only because it isn't so blatantly about money and power.

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>>128648547
Sounds like you are one demoralized Protestant faggot.

God will save his Church and return her to glory.

Nothing can save the Protestants who will only slide further and further into liberalism because they have no central authority or force to do so.

American Protestantism is about Jewish servitude and political correctness. The only exception is Pastor Anderson who gay bashes but even so...he is clearly a redneck and his political sway will only work in the flyover states

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>>128648910
>Im Orthodox
>Criticizing Catholicism about power and money

LEL
E
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>>128648579
Whats it like to be both wrong and brainwashed?

>>128647919
>Catholics
>Jews
I hate this myth that has been propagated by Pagans here on /pol/. Roman Catholics do not worship Yahweh, for Yahweh is not the god of the new testament. With the birth of Jesus of Nazareth god was split up into three different forms. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, these three pieces, also known as the holy trinity, make up god.
TL;DR Old testament god =/= New testament god.

The more important question is this- how can we get church attendance back up? We live in this post Christian society, and within 15 years the Catholic population is going to drastically fall as the old faithful die off. I know the Church can recover, as church attendance and spirituality was at similar levels during the enlightenment and napoleonic era and Christianity made a full recovery- but how can we accomplish this today? Without attendance, how much of this other stuff will really matter?

>>128636795
>How to fix the American Catholic Church

You don't. It's called Satans whore for a reason. It's also a church for beaners, Italians, and Irish. If you're white you don't wanna be seen there.

>>128648919
"God will save his Church and return her to glory."

>My imaginary friend who lives in my head is better than your imaginary friend.

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>>128649259
Casual Mass = Casual Faith = No one gives a shit anymore = No one goes to Church

Return tradition to the church
Get rid of Vatican II

>>128648547
DEUS VULT

>>128648760
Crusaders killed more white men than Muslims.

Also crusaders let moors rape Spain for hundreds of years and Turkroach rape the Balkans for hundreds of years while doing nothing but picking fights with protestant whites, even when orthodox begged them for help to fight roaches they did not send any help.

Fuck catholics you and Muslims need to die.

>>128636795

the last thing we want is another inner war with protestant/ortho/catho, we have more important issues to deal with, we need to stick togheter unlike the muslims.

americans won't be able to speak nor understand latin since they have no francosaxon roots and i doubt they'll want to be orthodox

a dress code will be hard to apply these days

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>>128650042
If the Catholic Church didn't stop the Muslims there would be no more white men in Europe you fucking idiot

>>128649162
>LEL
>E
>L

Orthodoxy is not really about money. There's a lot of corruption on the higher levels, but nobody gives a flying fuck. The meat of the religion is in your local church. An orthodox priest will never ask you for money just like that. Most of them get by with donations or their own work.

Meanwhile I went to a Catholic church for my gf (former Catholic) sister and there was literally a dude walking around with a thing to put coins in. I was told it was mandatory. Then we had to pay for the service.

A local church, that.

>>128649195
>Roman Catholics do not worship Yahweh, for Yahweh is not the god of the new testament. With the birth of Jesus of Nazareth god was split up into three different forms. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit, these three pieces, also known as the holy trinity, make up god.

Yes goy, he has a different form and different name, he is totally only your god and has nothing to do with the god he was copied from.

>>128648056
>Meanwhile (((Catholics))) bowed to them for centuries
Why was it then that Jews kept running away to protestant countries?
Why was it that all that Luther and Calvin did was big talk and not action while Catholic mobs and the Inquisition did the actual work?

You protestants need a reality check before opening your mouths. Seriously. All that comes out of it is pure trash, which has to come from pure ignorance, the question being wether this ignorance is just that or the fruit of of your churches, and if that's the case, why are protestant churches still so fucking obsessed with the catholic church.

>>128650116
>inner war

These changes only have to do with the Catholic Church...which in America has gotten way too liberal.

The church is female it needs to be run by real men of tradition. right now its run by soft liberals and actual homosexuals...which is repugnant.

No red blooded American male actually enjoys going to a modern Catholic Mass. It reeks of gayness and old women. Stupid ass songs. Effeminate priests. Old women in positions of power. Its totally emasculating.

Back to the tradition of our forefathers we go

Let the numbers drop. We don't need fake Catholics

>>128650166
Khan Tervel also stopped the mudslimes from murdering all whites, he was pagan.

Wtf I love paganism now

>>128636795
The Catholic church is a pedophile cult.

>>128648919

Topkek projecting your insecurities here, it's like you actually ignored the past half century (or more) of raging catholic liberalism.

In fact American Catholics have been cucked since the first micks started pouring out of the boats and getting shilled by Tammany Hall. Now they're even starting to slide on abortion lel.

And good luck when your central authority, (((popery))) is gleefully fueling the cuckoldry

>>128650463
Catholics let moors rape you for hundreds of years you stupid cuck, instead of helping they attacked white nations like Germans for being protestant and not worshipping satan like them, catholics are jew puppets.

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>>128650440
>10% tithe

This is to pay for the upkeep of the church. To pay to feed the priests. To support the mission of monks and nuns around the world.

The Catholic Church does more good with that money than any other organization in the entire world.

Individual Catholic priests are never rich. You will never see a priest, monk or nun with a fucking rolex and a fancy car. It just doesn't happen.

But it does happen with Orthodoxy...you guys were a wing of the Russian government propaganda machine

What the fuck are you doing being Orthodox in Belgium?

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>>128636795
>>1. Restore the Latin Mass to every church
Why? It will just push away new flock.
>2. Bulldoze shitty modern churches with buttugly Protestant architecture
Agreed.
>3. Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level
Desperately needed.
>4. End communion in hand
Pointless. But whatever.
>5. All females have to wear a veil inside church and an end to female eucharistic ministers and altar servers
Yes.
>6. Ban talking inside church that is not praying
Won't happen.
>7. Vet new priests for homosexuality and send homo priests into early retirement or monasteries
Desperately needed.
>8. Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment by civil law or an honorable death via guillotine
Desperately needed.
>9. Enforce a dress code in church
Yes.
>10. Excommunicate divorced couples until the reunite
Won't happen.
>11. Promote Latin whenever possible
Sure.

>>128651037
>The Catholic Church does more good with that money than any other organization in the entire world.

Tell me, which continent is the Catholic church most active in doing good for?

>>128636795
>communion in hand
Lmao you cathlocucks worry about the lamest stuff.

Communion is a symbol of remembrance, same with baptism. Stop being dorks about everything and actually preach the Gospels, not some communist satanic pope.

>>128636795
>How to fix catholicism in general

Good points my man

>>128650440
Considering this change made the Roman Catholic church into what essentially is a polytheistic religion, yes this god is not Yahweh. You can see the polytheism through the numerous prayers to the different saints and the worshiping of one saint (or Idol if you're orthodox) above all else through the act of confirmation, this is one of the things both Luther and Calvin were against(this may only be Luther, it has been some time since I've done research into Calvinism so some might be bleeding through).

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>>128650758
>2000 year old church
>last 50 years are liberal

Wow its fucking nothing. And if you have been paying attention the biggest areas of growth within the church are coming from traditional organizations who are going to replace the old guard.

Maybe some faggot liberals are sliding on abortion but at least we don't have lesbians running the church

There is absolutely nothing wrong with central authority. Monarchy is the most stable form of government

>>128644015
>Latin Catholics want conservative restoration of the old ways and attitudes

Seconded.

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>>128651233

John 6:53

>Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Protestants should all shoot themselves in the face

>MUH SOLA SCRIPTURA
>Jesus says literally to eat my flesh and repeats himself to an astonished crowd
>LOL ITS A SYMBOL

fucking kill yourselves please

>>128650440
>I was told it was mandatory.
It's not.
>Then we had to pay for the service.
What.

And maybe the Orthodox church is not about money and power because all of its most important seats are under muslim rule and therefore powerless.

And you'll have to specify in what way the protestant church isn't about money when shit like evangelicals are literally Christianity on telesales. Power, I won't deny they don't have it, since they overreact to any sort of authority, hence why ecumenical efforts have been most successful with the Orthodox church which know that Christ didn't seek a divided church. You won't seen any strength coming from protestant churches because of this, and good luck to anyone that tries to reign in that cesspit of autists screeching PAPISTS REEEEEEEEEEEE whenever someone says "Jesus named Peter the head of the church".

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>>128636795
Haha. Cannot be fixed.
12. Stop raping children.
You are part of the fucking disease.

>>128651954
Probably should delve into why this is such a problem for the unenlightened.

>>128650776
you're so fucking dumb it hurts.

that'd you'd conflate the muslim conquest of the Iberian peninsula with the protestant reformation... wow

just wow. I don't know what else to say other than go read some basic book on European medieval to early modern history.

but the fact remains, Protestants just had big talk and no action, and its funny to see you worship guys that were the version of neckbeards behind keyboards, or should I say, printing presses

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>>128636795
More points I want to add

12. Promote Gregorian chanting and remove hippy gay Protestant songs from the mass
13. Create prison monasteries to reform criminals
14. Encourage corporatism (updated guild system) as an alternative to socialism and capitalism
15. Look to eliminate usury
16. Publicly excommunicate Catholic politicians who support abortion or same sex marriage on live TV

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>>128651173

pic related

they forces you to speak french, forces you to follow the catholic degaule's way and risks their lifes for every christian's countries.

>>128651173
Probably Africa

But just showing up in Africa is already a huge improvement to that shithole

White countries do a pretty good job of taking care of their own people

>>128651502

Nothing wrong with a central authority that actually represents and serves the livelihood of the people it governs.

Does (((Francis))) fit that definition? So far, I think not.

>>128652884
By god I hate those stupid Protestant songs

>>128636795
Catholicism will always be a lie, Luther was right. Baptist or Lutheranism are the best denominations.

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>>128653441
Luther logic
>If I split away from the church...that will be it and I will get it right
>Wait why are there so many new churches
>Guys no...listen to my authority!
>***muffled dying sounds 30 years war***

>>128653188
Yes Francis does a good job of representing this modern gay world we live in.

God cursed us with the pope we deserve

>>128651954
>dat reading comprehension
Yes because Jesus spends all this time contextualising the Israelites eating manna and still dying and comparing his way as the new bread of heaven that gives eternal life.

Yet somehow you manage to contort that to mean eating his actual flesh as the only means of salvation.

If that is so only a handful of people would have been saved and there wouldn't have been enough of Jesus to go around Galilee let alone the billion believers today.

>>128653830
Sorry that wasn't meant for you.

>>128653929
>***muffled dying sounds 30 years war***
you forgot the part when Mormonism shows up a some years later

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>>128653993
>aussie mental gymnastics

STUPID
DUMB
PROTESTANT
SCUM

>>128651954

If you want to argue those passage words are literal, you would have admit Jesus was commanding the people to engage in cannibalism and vampirism. Literally.

Because that's how the word "literally" works. Try a dictionary, it helps.

>Restore the Latin Mass to every church
Never been to one so I can't comment
>Bulldoze shitty modern churches with buttugly Protestant architecture
I wouldn't touch a single church, I would just build more.
>Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level
The problem isn't the pay. I went to a Catholic school. Most of the teachers did not deserve to even be there.
>End communion in hand
Meh
>All females have to wear a veil inside church and an end to female eucharistic ministers and altar servers
Meh
>Ban talking inside church that is not praying
Meh
>Vet new priests for homosexuality and send homo priests into early retirement or monasteries
Yeah
>Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment by civil law or an honorable death via guillotine
Tying stone around neck, toss into ocean is more biblical.
>Enforce a dress code in church
Yeah
>Excommunicate divorced couples until the reunite
No. Divorce is fine. Remarriage is not.
>Promote Latin whenever possible
Meh.

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>>128654221
Literally would be the correct term

Its called transubstantiation
Thank you St Thomas

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>>128654302
>never been to a Latin mass or understand the problems created by Vatican II

Its no wonder all your answers are fucking gay

Learn about Vatican II or get in the fucking helicopter hippy

Latin or bust bitch

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>>128654203
>resorting to ad hominem
Good good goy

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>>128649798
>>how can we get church attendance back up?

You may be overthinking this.
If you want more Catholics,
then MAKE more Catholics.

This 60's ZPG bullshit is driving
your Church and your race into
extincyion.

Get it together, whiteys.

>>128654813
>dat nose
WTF I LOVE JEWS NOW

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>>128654995
Its not more Catholics we want...its more good Catholics

Ignorant casual Catholics like >>128654302
are worthless

>>128636795
Replace fake god with an omnipotent AI, gas the liberals and convert Jews.

1. Restore the Latin Mass to every church
No, serves no purpose
2. Bulldoze shitty modern churches with buttugly Protestant architecture
No. The building doesnt matter
3. Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level
YES
4. End communion in hand
NO grow up and get real
5. All females have to wear a veil inside church and an end to female eucharistic ministers and altar servers
NO grow up and get real its 2017
6. Ban talking inside church that is not praying
YES
7. Vet new priests for homosexuality and send homo priests into early retirement or monasteries
OK
8. Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment by civil law or an honorable death via guillotine
Please be serious
9. Enforce a dress code in church
YES
10. Excommunicate divorced couples until the reunite
NO sigh
11. Promote Latin whenever possible
NO grow up and get real

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>>128655349
>serves no purpose
>no building doesn't matter
>communion doesn't matter
>ITS 2017
>get real

I declare war on all casual Catholics

Traitors die first

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>>128655169
>>Its not more Catholics we want...
>>its more good Catholics

The answer's the same.
If you're a good Catholic, then start a family
and raise good Catholic kids.

If you delegate parenting to kids' TV shows,
to Ariana Grande, or worse, don't even try to
have kids, you're doing little to help things.

>>128654605

I almost forgot, this is the same orthodoxy that had to invent innumerable doctrines to reconcile batshit crazy interpretations of scripture to prop up unnecessarily complex dogma. Thanks for reminding me.

>>128656672
what he said

>>128656517
Yeah but Im speaking from experience American Catholics aren;t really bad people

But they definitely aren't orthodox

Americans have this superiority complex that makes us believe we don't have to listen to anyone...its called "Americanism" in the Catholic Church

We need good Catholics not fake ones who only go to church on Christmas and Easter

>>128655599
we are under severe attack. we cant go back to the 1950s. as always the church has an eternal yet current message. its time to forget that asshole pope and get together.

>>128657361
The Catholic Church isn't a popularity contest.

Pope Francis is basically the churches attempt to be popular and its backfiring. Not every pope can be JPII rock star

Orthodox have it right. The Church doesn't need to adapt. The world needs to adapt to the church.

The Catholic Church must be the mighty unmovable stone of truth

Guys, I'm a recovering lapsed Catholic, but I have homosexual urges (and have masturbated frequently to homosexual pornography in the past). I accept the position that homosexual acts, and masturbation, are intrinsically disordered, and grave moral wrong, and want to conform to Church doctrine on this matter. But I am having trouble suppressing my desires. What do I do?

>>128658426
Its good you realize its wrong because it is.

You can't go to hell for being homosexual only acting on homosexual urges.

Are you attracted to women at all?

>>128636795

To answer OP:
>1. Restore the Latin Mass to every church
After seeking permission from the Vatican, Philippines tried to offer Latin Mass in 1990's-2000's, but it fell out of fashion. Regular-mass attendance has always been high, but the bishops wanted to test the waters.

>2. Bulldoze shitty modern churches with buttugly Protestant architecture
Some of the most spiritually-enriching Masses I've experienced were in wattles-and-corrugated-steel churches, deep in the interior of Mindoro province. The little church was flooded to my knees by monsoon rains, but was packed with parishioners.

>3. Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level
Okay, but that will still fail if the PRIMARY facility for Catholic education doesn't take its role seriously: I'm talking about the Catholic family.

>4. End communion in hand
Hasn't affected the Philippine Church either way. I guess half of parishioners, young or old, take it old-skool, while do the hand thing.

>5. All females have to wear a veil inside church and an end to female eucharistic ministers and altar servers
Don't your women wear the veil in church?
Women communion servers were tried here in the late 90's, but were a brief fad that died out.

>6. Ban talking inside church that is not praying
Do you lot CHAT inside church??
Degenerates.

>7. Vet new priests for homosexuality and send homo priests into early retirement or monasteries
Can't argue against this

>8. Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment by civil law or an honorable death via guillotine
Just send them here.
We Duterte now.

>9. Enforce a dress code in church
Has there ever NOT been one?

>10. Excommunicate divorced couples until the reunite
Can't relate.
We don't have divorce in the Philippines.

>11. Promote Latin whenever possible
Not knowing Latin has never been a problem here.

>>128658426
have you considered that you might be a sexual addict?

>>128658891
>You can't go to hell for being homosexual only acting on homosexual urges.
The Catechism also speaks of 'adultery of the heart' for sexual fantasy, so I take it that indulging in homosexuality at all, even in fantasy not approaching the act itself, is wrong. In any case, I'd just like to move away from having the urges or thinking about it at all.

>Are you attracted to women at all?
Yes – a liberal would say I'm 'bisexual,' but I don't like to use that term, because I don't think talking about 'sexualities' in that way is appropriate, since it implies that there are multiple varieties of equally legitimate sexual expression.

>>128659011
3. Agreed
5. No our women are degenerate westerners who refuse to submit to authority
6. old people won't shut the fuck up before mass especially old women. they treat it like a social club
9. Americans dress like total shit
10. Americans get divorced all the time. Divorced couples should be refused communion at the very least

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>>128659280
Adultery of the heart is something we're ALL guilty of, both homosexuals and heterosexuals. "Anyone who looks at a woman with lust has committed adultery in his heart," as Christ says. And in this day and age, with pornography everywhere and both sexes dressing to show themselves off, it's very difficult to resist looking with temptation at others.

But your response to this should be to pray. Devote yourself to Christ, and pray to him, pray to the Blessed Virgin, pray for the intercession of the saints. If you truly desire to live a Christian life, and you pray for help in living it, and you attempt to change your life so that you do live it, you will be doing God's will, and he will fill you with his Spirit.

>>128636795
American Catholic school anon here. From Ireland originally. Just graduated two weeks ago. Paid my own tuition throughout high school. Need my business to really take off next year as I'm headed to college to study Computer Science and Business.

I'd say Catholic school did a pretty damn good job teaching me about what I need to do to support myself and how to budget, as well as getting one of the best educations in the city I live in.

Now on to your points.

>1. Restore Latin Mass to every church.
No. Vernacular helps the masses understand the Bible. Latin services are degenerate
>2. Bulldoze shitty modern churches.
I'll get the wrecking ball
>3. Pay Catholic School teachers more to encourage higher quality Catholic Education at the parochial and private school level.
Already happening.
>4. End communion in hand
Yes.
>5. All females to wear a veil inside church and an end to female eucharistic ministers and altar servers.
No woman should ever be a church figurehead. 2 Timothy 2:11.
>6. Ban talking inside church that is not praying
what the fuck
>7. Vet new priests for homosexuality and send homo priests into early retirement or monasteries
No. Excommunicate all of them. They are a stain on the church.
>8. Give pedo priests the choice of excommunication and punishment of civil law or an honorable death via guillotine
They are the cancer of catholicism.
>9.Enforce a dress code in church
Absolutely.
>10. Excommunicate divorced couples until they reunite.
Mixed on this one. My dad was an asshole.
>11. Promote Latin whenever possible.
Fuck no. The vernacular is much more important. Churches in America should even pick a predominant language of a homeland and preach in that language.

>>128659280
We all have our cross to bear and a personal struggle to overcome.

Obviously we have to cut out porn and temptation. It might be helpful to try and get a good gf and fake it until you make it.

It might be really helpful to talk to a priest about this and have him be your confessor. Have him take you under his wing and try and help you. Thats what a good priest should do.

Maybe having kids will change things?

You seem like you have the right attitude which is better than most people. I will pray for you bro

>>128659280
I don't think it's fair to say it's just homossexual behaviour that is sinful.

After all, what is the difference between a homossexual act and heterossexual fornication?

Also, isn't adultery a very specific thing? Therefore adultery of the heart would be just that, fostering emotions for someone who is not your spouse?

>>128659962
>what is the difference between hetero and homosexual fornication
The difference is with hetero you were just Muh Diking whereas homos have the extra wrong of perverting the act of fornication and Muh Diking.

>>128660575
>Muh Diking
what's that and how is it different?

>>128659791
>>128659692
Thanks anons, God bless.

>>128659962
I was talking about Matt 5:28, which the anon above alluded to. I don't know what the origin of the term is, but it's used in the Catechism, etc. in a way that extends beyond marital infidelity.

>>128660843
>how is it different
1) adultery if not married
2) homosexuality is detestable and a sign of God's displeasure at human rebellion

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>>128647655
Meanwhile, in reality.

>>128661302
and this is why America is going to shit

>>128661249
yeah, but fornication happens with married and unmarried people

you're still fornicating if you're fucking your wife just to blow your load, you're just not being adulterous about it.

homossexual acts are the same thing as fornication, how is it not so? what's the difference?

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>>128636795
Hahahahahaha christcucks. You're getting replaced.

>We're all one people, praise the one and only Jewish god, Yahweh. Accept rabbi Yeshua into your heart!

>>128661990
>what's the difference
It's a perversion of fornication. Not only are you having sex but you are perverting its purpose ie a something to be shared with by hetero married couples.

>>128646603
as long as it looks like you put in an effort you're cool. sweatpants are not. leggings i let slide for all the sweet college booty that rolls through the church when school is out

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>>128636795
>How to Fix American Catholicism

By converting to Orthodoxy.

>>128662772
yes, the purpose of sex is to have children. That is the "something" that is to be shared by hetero married couples.

fornication perverts that purpose
heterossexual or not

I fail to see how two men ejaculating into each other is any different than a man ejaculating into a woman just for the pleasure of it

you can't make a sin greater, you can just add more sins to it
like fornicating and being adulterous

so if fornication is the sin, what other sin are homossexuals comiting when they do it?
fornicating and adultery, we established that, but heterossexual couples can also be fornicating and being adulterous

what is the extra sin that homossexuals comit?

>>128664630
>twisting the argument to avoid the problem
No the purpose I refer to is its something to be enjoyed by married hetero couples.

Homosexual fornication is detestable in the eys of the Lord as though Leviticus did not make that clear enough, as though Paul in Romans did not state as such.

>>128664930
So what is it that is meant to be enjoyed?

Sex without the purpose to have children is meant to be enjoyed? No, that's fornication.

Yes, homossexual fornication is detestable, I fail to see how heterossexual fornication isn't.

What extra sin is being comited? If anything I can see it as different sins, but not one greater than the other.

Agree with everything, but also Churches need to become a community again, not just something that you go to on Sunday.

Churches need to provide networking for jobs and friends that lead a moral lifestyle.

>>128665474
>meant to be enjoyed
As a married couple.

>>128665582
you're bringing adultery into it again, stop doing it

It's still fornication to have sex with your wife just for pleasure. You understand this?

>>128636945
Lol no. They are all switching to pentacostal or mormonism because they appeal more to the the Aztec side.

>>128666237
And how is fornication outside of reproduction in a hetero married couple a sin?

>>128666749
because it still counts as fornication and fornication is a sin.

you're asking me how fornication is a sin? I don't know, it just is.

>>128667602
>it just is
At this point, I think its a matter of agree to disagree, Scripture makes it clear sex with your wife is a better result than outright adultery. The fact you're throwing in homosexuality into it just makes it even worse.

Married or not married.

>>128636795
Are you going to sell indulgences like a good goy too?

>>128666237
Well, the sexual union has to be 'open to life.' But you're allowed to, say, have sex according to the cycle of ovulation for pleasure to minimize the natural chance of pregnancy. As long as you don't avowedly make the only purpose of it pleasure by say, using birth control.

I'm a practicing Catholic but I've never been to latin mass and my diocese's just received a new bishop this month who is a Jesuit.

I found out there is a church near me that offers latin mass so I'd like to attend and make it my new main church, but I have no idea what latin mass entails.

Does anyone have any resources or quick reads of what I need to know or should expect for latin mass? thank you in advance

>>128636795
Reminder that according to Catholic church US is heretics who offend God with king's disobedience and should be purged.

US and Catholic Church are literally incompatible entities.

>>128668069
So you believe that the sin of fornication is less bad if you're doing it with your wife?

You believe that there are degrees to sin?

I fail to see how fornication is made worse or bad due to being adulterous. being adulterous is just another sin.

If we consider fornication to be one sin with the value of 1 and adultery to be another sin with the value of 1 how is it that fornication becomes less than 1 when you marry someone?

>>128657361
> we cant go back to the 1950s
We are going back to the 1150s

>>128669165
>you're allowed to, say, have sex according to the cycle of ovulation for pleasure to minimize the natural chance of pregnancy

but the pill and/or condom still aren't 100% safe... so by that logic it would still be "open to life":

>>128671025
>degrees of sin
I said no such thing.

You on the other hand have tried to justify homosexuality and the denial of sex to heterosexual couples on human understanding.

You have no biblical basis whatsoever for your positions.

>>128671308
Maybe – I don't make the rules lad

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>>128636795
12.pic related

>>128671398

From what I've seen in the conversation, he wasn't trying to justify homosexuality.

He was trying to point out that a lot of Catholics have a tendency to ease the guilt of their own sins by saying "well look at this guy. He is sinning more, so I don't have to feel guilty"

Marital fornication is a thing. It is mentioned in the catechism. Using contraception or using NFP for long periods of time needlessly has been condemned by the church.

And it is easy to see why. It is overindulging in concupiscence. It leads to objectification and breakdown of marriage. Even the protestants were against birth control and sexual hedonism up until the 60's.

Everyone is called to chastity. Jesus himself said that marriage was a difficult life to live, and that it was better to figuritively "make yourselves eunichs" for the kingdom of heaven

>>128671398
I never tried to justify homossexuality.

I said I failed to see how homossexual sex is any different than fornication, in other words, how a certain sin is different than other certain sin.

>and the denial of sex to heterosexual couples
If it's fornication, which you have tried to defend by saying that it's okay or less bad if it's not adulterous, which I don't understand. How is a sin okay or less bad as long as I don't commit other sin?

It'd be dumb of me to say that it's okay to beat someone if I don't comit murder, so why is it okay to say it's okay to fornicate if I'm not being adulterous?

Do you have biblical basis that say fornicating with your wife is a less severe individual sin than fornicating your gf?

It can be said that homossexual sex is a different sin than fornicating, as the bible specifically mentions homossexual sex, but that only means that heterossexual fornicators are as sinful as homossexuals.

>>128665549
This.

>>128639619
Lol whut? Have you ever been in a Church in the USA all shit dress shit behavior dont even start me on southern churches they talk during fucking mass.

>>128673233

I'd like to add to that that Jesus himself said that if you look at a woman lustfully, it is as if you committed adultery, and if you are angry with your brother, it is as if you murdered him.

This indicates that sin starts in the heart.

Masturbation, pre-marital sex, sodomy, homosexuality and marital fornication all are borne from concupiscence. They all have the same spiritual consequence. In which case they should they should all be treated with the same seriousness.

Men are weak, and we need to acknowledge that weakness instead of being blind to our own sin

>>128641361
Faggot priest see OP.

>>128636795
Sounds awfully Islamic to me, no thanks.