Is Coding the new blue collar proffession?

>>128631133
because its a meme
>dude weed lmao we can code
>dud lets make some vidya and some apps eecks dee

Any chump can type code, this was proven in the .com bubble. The problem is to be good at it you have understand and be able to think logically.

>>128631133
>be a grill
>can use simple html to make shitty website
IM SUCH A 1337 CODER GUIZE EVEN WIMMIN CAN DO IT!!!!!!
>apply a blizzard and get hired immediately

I fucking hate women

>>128631234
this

>>128631133
>One of these threads again

>>128631234
>>128631446

>being in front end development

>>128631133
there are not enough good women and brown skins to fill the "quota"

>>128631133
Yes, every blue collar asshole and leaky snatch should try it. Caveat: if they fail they can't complain
>muh patriarchy
>it's racist
>it caters to white men!!!!
They simply sulk back to their shitty careers and shut the fuck up

>>128631985

what do you think the future of blue collar jobs will be

better yet, training young people to get into trades and be able to compete and excel against foreign competition

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>>128631133

Programming, as people think of it, is dead.

>>128631133
I say it's great. Let them do the shitty grunt work.
It's a great place to park them while they feel "empowered".
Coding life is hell. Their only claim to superiority in life is that they can "code". It's pathetic shit.

>>128631133
>what do you think about the push
KILL IT
WITH FIRE

t. programmer

>>128631446
>.com bubble. The problem is
every bad programmer creates two new jobs per year

>>128631133

This is the same in all white collar industries now. Law, banking, trading, technology, management consultancy. You notice it far more in software as there are so many jobs to fill now in that industry. It's also a huge spectrum of talent, do you think the guys who are outsourced to build front ends for shitty phone games are at same level as people working in high frequency trading or working on AI at Google?

>>128632221

and yet if we are going to develop better hardware, operating systems and databases among other tech then it is important to know programing

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>>128632221
>>128631742
>>128631554
>>128631541
>>128631446
>>128631133

>>128632221
Not true, software engineering is dead. Programming is flourishing (for producers, not programmers). The more shit tier "programmers" flooding the market means security fields are growing, exponentially.

If you're an underpaid software engineer (not programmer), go into security.

>>128632630
>and yet if we are going to develop better hardware, operating systems and databases among other tech then it is important to know programing

Knowing how to program isn't really all that difficult. It still won't matter, code exists for just about every thing you can think of. You might tweak a function here and there, but for the most part, you are just putting together a puzzle with other peoples' pieces. It's not like the 80s and 90s where you had to build and paint the pieces yourself.

>>128631133
Funny how you never see "too many x y" unless x is White and y is male. Naturally this includes sports.

>>128631541
Yup, all doors open for them, and they get special organizations and events, too. But as another anon pointed out, it makes us even better because we have to deal with extra opposition.

Being a general programmer is not good enough. Coming from a heavily scientific background and using development to build models and knowing what can be automated is where the money is.

>>128633808
To expand on this, I think programming and scripting today are like being able to write. You need it as a tool for a lot of things, but unless you are exceptional it won't be your primary skill.

To OP, programming has this kind of cargo cult mentality around it. The thinking goes that if you can learn it, the success and wealth associated with the technology field will rub off on you. The simpletons who concern themselves with the advancement of minority and female demographics don't actually understand technology themselves. So they take money from the tax payer, keep some for themselves, and erect altars to the white man's technology in the form of work shops and job programs.

bump for Dennis

>>128633151
>If you're an underpaid software engineer (not programmer), go into security.

THIS
THIS
THIS

The number and severity of vulnerabilities is growing as more retards enter the profession. I know a couple of guys who live solely off bug bounty payoffs. They work on something for maybe two or three weeks and then have enough cash to live for a couple of months.

>>128633377
thats because we live in white countries and women should stay at home

>>128632221
>>128633196
Sounds like you wrote this post. Copying and pasting from SO doesn't work when someone is actually paying attention to your work, and if you don't know how to write from scratch you're going to get fired. Your coding hobby is not comparable to being employed as a programmer, and it doesn't sound like you've had the opportunity to find that out yet.

>hurr durr programming is easy
then why don't you get into it and make tons of easy money, retards?

oh right, it's because all normies like (you) don't know shit about it and clearly aren't capable of - as seen in this thread, and basically any thread where /pol/ tries to discuss anything related to technology.

itt people who have no idea what they're talking about and never worked anywhere close to programming

Is calling it blue collar supposed to make it look worse? I'm making shitloads of money, get all the cool bonuses and if I quit today, within one hour I'll have dozens of employers knocking on my door hoping to hire me. Why the fuck should I care about how you call my job.

Too many degenerates and pajits in the software industry. However learning to code as a hobby is fine.

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>1 billion indians do it for half the price
>Think it's a hero for Western workers

Idiot. Anyone who buys in to the coding meme is a moron. It's good to know some PowerShell, some webdev and c# for every day IT process automation but that's absolutely it

>>128631133
You can not coding if your IQ is under 100

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>>128631446
>Any chump can type code, this was proven in the .com bubble. The problem is to be good at it you have understand and be able to think logically.

As in math or actual rational thinking?
Because math isn't rational, it's symbolic programming.

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>>128632221
>>128631133
I see lots of negativity and stuff like

>https://www.futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai-than-the-companys-engineers/amp/

Coming from the west lately but don't you guys think learning to code is just an entrance door to work in new emerging areas like deep learning and AI?

It's pretty obvious we don't need to write basic code anymore.

>>128644531
Kill yourself, idiot. That "AI" is just a programmer's code running. It doesn't replace humans by doing what it's told.

>>128631133

Been coding for 15 years. Women are terrible coders. They can't innovate architecture. That's because they have billions of less brain cells than men. Historically, men are the primary designers and inventers. Women need to be home having babies and raising children

>>128644531
>It's pretty obvious we don't need to write basic code anymore because of new AI

What about VR? Doesn't that need a sort of touch and feel coding aspect?

>>128637928
graduating with a minor in cybersec was a good idea for me.

>>128644931
Women are good at math though.

I though coding was just logarithms and definitions shit?

>>128632687
that is sad

>>128631133
Most coding is really boring. You need to have a specific personality for it, like INTP. The push for women and minorities in STEM doesn't account for their personalities and thus once they graduate they end up burning out.

>>128633196
Until something breaks and then you absolutely have to know what's going on underneath the abstractions.

Yes.

>>128644827
Fuck off spazzy cunt, can you even into words and sentences? Read again what I wrote dirty fag

>>128645146

No, that's not what coding is about. It's a lot more than that, especially for larger, complex architectures. Platforms today consist of millions and millions of lines of code. Women are bulls in china shops, from my experience. I've never met a woman who bested a man in this realm. Babies and families. That's what they're exceptional at.

>>128645146
Wrong on both

>>128631133
>women
>"coding"
Women make the worst engineers, if you think otherwise name one thing a woman has ever made truly by herself that you enjoy.

I'll fucking tell you
>windshield wiper
>chocolate chip cookie
>the electric water heater

There you fucking go.
Now name a game with a female lead programmer that was enjoyable.
It doesn't fucking exist.

>>128631133
It's just being commodified. Actual old-school programmers will always be in demand, just not in any great numbers sadly. Also, end H1B abuse.

>>128632105
Too bad they will complain no matter what. Basically everyone under 50 in the west was brought up under a paradigm that teaches that the failure of some is caused by the success of others. Whenever there is a disparity in anything there must always be an oppressed and oppressor on opposite ends of the heirarchy. The only exception is that white Christian males can never be part of an 'oppressed' category

>>128645875
mass effect

>>128645875
>name one thing a woman has ever made truly by herself that you enjoy
amateur solo porn videos

Mediocre codefag here. I would probably be 1337 if I weren't a depressed fuck. And I'm a white male so can't get gibs.

>>128645875
This.

Women also invented Porn by proxy.

I think programming benefits greatly from the increased ranges of diverse thought that can be achieved when you include people of color and vagina. And if they weren't any good at it, huge corporations wouldn't waste millions of dollars on events exclusively designed to get them interested and hired. At many of these hackatons and events you even get free tablets and huge gift baskets just for showing up. The marketplace is demanding the superior labor that people of color and women can bring to the table in a male dominated dystopia space.

(((coding))) is.

software development is still a white collar job.

>>128646583
you don't pay the mafia protection money because you believe in the importance of the mafia. you pay if because otherwise they'll fuck up your shit

that's exactly why these corporations hold their little diversity events. they don't want to be the next target of rabid feminists and beta male followers

>>128646583

You're so fucking stupid it hurts. Stop using the Internet

>>128646583
>And if they weren't any good at it, huge corporations wouldn't waste millions of dollars on events exclusively designed to get them interested and hired
they do it for the corporation's image in a libshit world. if diversity was something that increases productivity, then it wouldn't need a special department to enforce, it would happen naturally in a normal hiring process or management.

The other day I was programming a website with my bros and we couldn't figure out how to program an advanced cascade style sheet. We were sitting there yelling and farting. Then my 8 year old nephew came into the room and said "a:hover{color:red}"

We all cried in relief and started hugging each other. It was beautiful. let no one tell you women don't belong in programming. They are just as, if not more capable than us dumb old guys.

>>128631133
Coding is a skill for most it is only a profession for some

>>128647126
>nephew
Doh, niece obviously.

Point in case. A woman would have got that right.

>>128647126
nephew is male, you meant "niece"

you fucks can't even bait right

>>128647430
Corrected by a strong polish woman.

No shame in that.

>>128643170

>Because math isn't rational, it's symbolic programming.

tell that to a pure mathematician

>>128631801
Kek, this.
>muh frameworks
Cancer. I worked on a website for a leading tech company, and it's just not worth it, I felt like a pajeet.

>>128647126

So your nephew was a male and figured it out? Maybe he's dispositioned as male to code.

Maybe you and your bros after hugging each other realized you're beta cucks and should leave the complicated work to real men?

All those fags jelly at successful coders who make 5 figures a year.

>>128631133
Coding has absolutely no value to society unless its for automation. Prove me wrong. Protip you can't.

>>128645479
>You need to have a specific personality for it, like INTP
Snap!

>Most coding is really boring.
It certainly would be boring for most people, there's a lot of time doing boring boilerplate code but I like that, I can just listen to the radio and auto-pilot it, and you can leave your brain to solve whatever major problem is on your plate in the background.

>>128647629
All programming is automation you colossal retard.

>>128647629

The real benefit is from automation but there are productivity gains from data centralizations, correlations and UI tasks also

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>>128645811
>>128645826
Both of those answers mean nothing.

There was no logic to them.

I just want to know wtf makes a good coder. Is it an eye for small details, is it math? Both of those are womanly arts.

So WTF is it?

>It's logic bro

Now apply that to words that make an explanation. You can't.

No coders can.

It's like speaking with esoteric kekists, they don't understand anything and just repeat shit.

>>128631133
No because you can generally do most blue collar trades all your life pretty much. Computer industry is brutally age discrim. Only go into it if you like computers, otherwise get a head start find something else to do.

>>128641785
>>128640544
I remember one of you from one of pols prior attempts at this.

One of you was talking about making 30k on one project...

I think we were talking about how shitty node was or something like that.

Anyway, I remember

>>128631133
>code not formatted
you're fired

One thing I'm sure we can all agree on is that women write functional and beautiful code that's easy to understand. Men write shitty spaghetti that ill equipped to dynamically perform in a diverse and modern marketplace of CPU cycles.

>>128631801
>>being in front end development

Yaa...

I know some kids who graduated from college and couldn't get a programming gig, but could get a QA gig. So they start there. Not such bad training.

Then you move on to front-end. The real back-end programmers are doing the business logic. Architecturally, you are doing the "View" part of one of the architectural models (MVC, MVP, MVVM etc.) Probably in the Javascript framework flavor of the month.

Anyone who types into Excel "=A1+A2" is in some sense a programmer.

To be at an underfunded startup and lay out its architecture very quickly, but have it scalable enough that it can handle success, and then build it out as the business grows - that takes skill.

To dive into a huge existing spaghetti codebase and be able to add features without destabilizing things - it takes skills.

It's kind of ephemeral what separates the beginner programmer from the expert programmer. You can see it in the results though.

Interacting with the business correctly and giving them what they want/need is important as well. An average programmer good at that can often beat a superstar programmer who is not good at that.

>>128631133
Every White person should know C/C++, Java and byte code languages are useless. Native code programming will not succumb to passing trends like byte code programming will. Java and C# is cancer.

>>128631133

>Coding going blue collar

No, it isn't. Still very white collar.

>Emphasizing it for women

I've been in and around the games industry for about fifteen years now and have only ever seen about six competent woman coders and one that I would take over 75% of the male coders I've worked with.

Same goes for asset modelers, tech artists, level designers, writers, scripters, VFX artists, animators, producers, etc...

There's just not that many of them to start with and most of the ones I've met and/or worked with usually are from big budget studios and publishers that can take the hit financially for hiring a bunch of chicks for PR purposes. BioWare is a good example of this (although it's really hitting them now).

In smaller, boutique developers you can't afford second rate anybodies to make something since usually one misstep ends your company and most of the time women end up making second rate employees.

They make up most of the days off taken, lost work time incidents, and tardiness dismissals. If "progressive" people want to try and ram as many women as they can into the tech or game industry, all it's going to cause is resentment towards women in general.

Just my two cents.

>>128646506
A woman I know who is a gorgeous blonde did extensive work designing the f-14 voice recognition system. women can be great engineers.

>>128648348
>windows is cancer
K stallman

Kys

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>>128647603
I'll tell that to any of you fucking nerds

(OUTSIDE OF GEOMETRY/ARITHMETIC) MATH IS ILLOGICAL!

YOUR FORMULA WORSHIP IS DEGENERATE!

STATISTICS ARE LIES!

AND NO ONE HERE CAN EXPLAIN TO A NORMIE WHAT CODING ACTUALLY IS!

AND EVERYONE

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>>128631133
"coding"

Everyone who calls themselves a "coder" is a shitter, a woman, a webdev (i.e. a shitter) or a numale moron.

>>128648470
>windows 10
>not cancer
le leafyishere!

>>128647953
>math
>womanly art
No logic bro that was so illogical dude!

Recursive and procedural thinking. Having a firm grasp on organizing large sets of data. There.

>>128648617
Your meme sucks. It makes no sense and is some vague reference like all coders do because you can't think for yourselves

None of you know what your jobs are. You can't define them to normies you don't know what you're doing.

>>128647953

I'll try and explain. Writing code these days requires a few perspectives. 1. How quickly can you weite the code (woman are slow) and 2. How well can it be maintained and 3. How performant can you write the algorithms.

Now tie all that into millions of lines of code typical in a modern platform where many pieces effect many other areas.

One piece of code might effect 20 or 30 operations. Now you get into architecture where you balance maintenance of said common code with hardware resources using it. Then there's database design that requires considerations for scaling (how will the system behave when it grows). The database ties into the middle tier that queries the data.

It can't get really complicated and thoughtful considerations are necessary in order to keep a system humming well. Can woman do it? Not very well. They're slow, sloppy and don't seem, from my experience of 15 years, to take into consideration all the moving parts to make good decisions.

I've had to clean up a number of messes by female hands before. They slow us down just as a female himing with a group of soliders would.

Women out of the work place!

snot about coding is about creation, but is low when u are low

>>128648765
Well, women can do math I meant. They can't fix a car engine when a simple hose leaks, but they can do Algebra 3 when I can't

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>>128648348
should i learn go or will that just hasten the robot apocalypse? also is haskell as hard to learn as perl?

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>>128648846
My "meme" is a subtitled screenshot of an actual lecture given by an Israeli "cyber expert" on the deepweb. Are you new, retarded, part of the CIA shitbrigade or just a Shareblue shill?

If women can't code and have cooties then why is Brianna Wu's game hailed as one of the biggest accomplishments since DOME and Duke Nukeit?

>>128642590
>>1 billion indians do it for half the price

I have been involved with this.

When you get ten business guys together and five American-born programmers, it's difficult for the businessmen to explain what they want, translated into software.

Now take in Indians who can barely speak English, whose code sucks, who are 9 hours time difference. It is not as easy as it sounds.

If there were a lot of Indians who spoke good English and more importantly were good programmers it would be different. But it isn't like that.

If women can't code then why does Depression Quest have 10/10 ratings, 1500 reviews while your shitty snake clone is still languishing on your old floppy disk?

>>128649309
kek

>>128649214
>>128648846
every time a belgian posts, a 30 y/o mudslime child refugee gets his papers

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>>128643170
>math isn't rational

Physicist dropping in here to remind you that you're a retard; just because you can't find use of something doesn't mean other people can't.

It's going to become a useless skill for kids in the future. It's like being able to count to 20 today.

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>>128648872
>performant
WTF?
>weite
WTF?
> hardware resources
WTF?
>middle tier
WTF?

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATES NERDS!

Also why would you need to write algorithms when everything has been applied already-- since it's not 1995?

As a software developer I'd say we're going towards a point when it will be the only kind of job outside of artist.
I think people should learn but it requires a high iq and a desire for logical thinking which most people hate. So it will remain hard to employ which is great for me.

>>128649309

Dude, stop already. One example out of millions of apps and games, written by men doesn't equate to what you're saying.

If we followed your line of thought, I could say this:

My Honda car broke this morning so all Honda cars are broken.

Taking one rare occurence and applying it generally is retarded. You have to look at the whole picture, weigh the macro scale and make a determination.

Don't they teach you basic critical thinking in yohr country? You sound fucking dumb

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>>128631133

>better yet, what do you think about the push to emphasize coding/ computer education exclusively for women and minorities?

I (as a college freshmen majoring in computer science) am annoyed that this kind of narrative is being pushed in the tech industry. Why are there so many libtards in the tech community? Why the fuck are they letting women write code when they can barely understand basic logic algorithms - hell, even when they can barely even fix their own shit? Why are they letting niggers get tech jobs when all they'd do is type:

int main ()
{
cout::<<"Muhh fuggen bix nood nigguh";
}


Like why do i have to deal with this shit? Why should i become work buddies with a bunch of degenerates that have little to no experience? I bet i'd be doing most or all of the work while these faggots get paid just for being there.

Also, how the fuck is "adding more muslims" or "adding more women" or "adding more muslim faggot tranny people of color" going to help the tech industry prosper? I really don't want to go to silicon valley anymore. I'll just stay on the east coast and work for either Boston Dynamics or CA Technologies.

>>128649752
Backing up your Shariablue komrade, huh? Go back to plebbit. Your shilling is not working here. You are pissing in an ocean of piss.

>>128631801
>glue code libraries and frameworks together all day
>google away any errors
>have account managers deal with clients and content changes
>$65k in the midwest

It's not so bad.

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>>128649767
Finding use for something doesn't make it rational thought.

Case in point
>pic

Nerds who regurgitate formula and brag about their degrees have really been useless to innovating society on a 99.9 percentile considering how many are out there.

Thank god for writers of sci-fi or nothing would progress in your fields.

>>128650139
>gogle away error

There's nothing wrong with this.
Also, project managers arent worth it.

>>128649888
Ada Lovelace is the birthmother of all coding and wrote masterpiece RTS games decades before men had even discovered there is such a thing as computer.

>>128650215
>math
>regurgitate formula
Lol, if anything we regurgitate proof.

>women are shit at computor XDDD
I guess that's why corporations with billions of dollars at stake and millions invested in being as efficient as possible will go to any length short of sacrificing a baby to hire a woman over your entitled male privileged ass.

Women can code, but statistically the probability that a female is the right type of person is much lower than the chances of a male. How many topcoder red coders are female? ill tell you I'm only blue and I'm male, I don't even know how high the red coders IQ is but it's higher than mine. I don't know how we can make programming any easier so that it becomes blue collar, even upon fixing all the "leaky abstractions" you find you still have to know how the black box works if you ever want to debug something or use it for something new.

I tried to type programmer in here a couple times but it physically pains me, the field itself is extremely hard to generalize. Anyone can code, but abstracting and generalizing problems is the meat of the field, so it's fucking applied math.

>>128649886
There will also be us, mathematicians, who design and prove theorems about algorithms for you.

>>128648575

pure mathematics is based on writing and understanding logical proofs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

it is fundamentally logical

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>>128650020
you are in no position to call anyone sharia, blue or komrade. your country is terrible and is responsible for the eu and the downfall of western civilization. fuck you. fuck the new world order. go back to fedbook or w/e you call it in cuntistan. no, you can't have any more communism gayfag.

>>128631133
Coders are loser geeks with low social status.
Therefore, no matter how highly valued or in demand their profession is, they will never be treated as the equals of the higher professions.

Get your bitch ass on the workstation and make me a game.

>>128649111
>having a sub 100 iq

>>128649167
Learn OCAML

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>>128650874

>>128631133
>code
>fails unit tests
>can't blame whitey
>can't blame the patriarchy
i feel good about my job security senpai

>>128650793
No, most women are shit at computor.

They just want them to get the sweet, sweet tax breaks and PR recognition for hiring people with XX chromosomes.

>>128648246
>To dive into a huge existing spaghetti codebase and be able to add features without destabilizing things - it takes skills.
Unit testing is the saviour of legacy code maintainers, I wish more people at work would believe me and stop breaking shit.

>>128632221
Very interesting, thanks anon

>>128650434

Ok, dude you're either trolling me or you're the fucking stupidest human I've ever met on the Internet.

Ok, I'll try and explain this to you like I'm explaining it to a toddler:

Just because one orea cookie is cracked doesn't mean all the oreo cookies are bad. This cracked oreo cookie is bad but the rest are good.

You can't take one example and say its true for the whole lot. Woman suck at programming on a large scale. They suck! They're not good bro. I've seen it over a long career in the field. If 1 good female comes along and makes a good game, it doesn't say shit to the gender's disposition to code. They fucking suck at software development generally speaking.

I should fucking bill you for my time explaining simple critical thinking.

>>128635410

>The simpletons who concern themselves with the advancement of minority and female demographics don't actually understand technology themselves.

but but Trudeau stood in front of a blackboard of maths and talked about Quantum Computing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eak_ogYMprk

>>128651134
Fucking this.
I just ask whether they can fix it themselves or they need my help, their liberal degree says no, but THEIR BODYYY... IS TELLIN THEM YESSS.

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>>128650779
>proof.
proof that nerds can't think, just repeat thought by the .01% super nerds who have artistic ability.

>>128651066
why

>>128651091
such 1337157
such collectivist

>>128651485
Wanna know how I know you would fail a real analysis course?

>>128651625
Best language that implents the functional paradigm.

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>>128650848
>proofs
>it is fundamentally logical
It's fundamentally litigious. That doesn't make it rational or 'logos'

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See ya later, brainlets

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>>128651625

>>128649928

Huh. The black dude I'm working with sure as shit doesn't write code that masterful. He's been here 15 years but I still believe in him, with enough persistence I'm sure he'll get to writing shit like that some day.

I think OP is being too general with coding. It's such a massive industry and spectrum now with such a variation in skill sets and salaries that it's not just as binary as blue or white collar.

Saying that it's correct that anyone can learn to code, but using it to solve real life problems and building high performance software is hard. Webdevs from India are ten a penny, people who can walk into a Goldman interview and write an options pricing model are not.

>>128649928

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2TTIBHMJxQ

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>>128651688
>a real analysis course?
I don't know what that is. I have a 137 IQ and dyscalcula so I just wonder if anyone who isn't a regurgitating retard could explain coding in regards to math.

Pro tip: you fucking nerds cant

I ran into this esoteric shit with martial arts, home repair, screenwriting, philosophy, religion, photography... Any time a 'know-it-all' group can lord over others, they'll do it. And it's almost always because you don't understand what you're playing with. Eventually I have to train myself or find people who know wtf they're talking about.

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>>128651814
i never see it in job postings. do you expect it to be in demand more in the future?

>>128651913
>what you meant to say
>I sexually identify as an attack helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oil fields, dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is impossible and I'm retarded, but I don't care. I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgery to install rotor blades, 3mm cannons and AMG 114 Hellfire missiles...on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me Apache and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can't accept me, you're a heliphobe and you need to check your vehicular privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>128649886

>but it requires a high iq and a desire for logical thinking which most people hate.

probably the reason why neoreaction (the intellectual precursor to the altright) was grounded around computer science geeks

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>>128652414

Fuck, now i feel like a person with no future

>>128652536
none of that applies to (you) though since you identify as gender-helicopter

128651847

You're trying way too hard to troll.

Also, I know you'll read this and it's pathetic.

>>128651017
137 actually. Math is regurgitation and symbol visual recognition. I have dyscalcula. Smart and stupid all at once. Cut my life into pieces

>>128631133
Fuck no you dumbass. Most IT fags are still beta males who have a comfy little office job.

Let me know when you're getting automotive grease all over your clothes and under your fingernails everyday.

>>128651816

you're an idiot. take a course in formal logic. it will teach you to think better.

>>128652536
btw how will you be able to afford 3mm cannons after every eu country exits your shitty nwo?
>bbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppppppp

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>>128652752

What do I need to know to get a coding job? I have an EE degree but I'm super bad at it. I know C++ up to the level of memory allocation and OOP, would someone employ me to write C++ for them?

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>>128653044

>>128652818
No I didn't and you can't prove I did.

>>128653134

with EE you could go for embedded systems.

Programming is just an essential skill these days like learning how to use a computer 10 years ago.

In order to make a living out of software development, you need to understand the business you are working in and tailor cost-effective, efficient solutions for it. This obviously requires a lot more than just 'coding'.

The push to include women and minorities is pointless anyway. If you are in a job that isn't evolving to now be a coding job using scripting languages (like Python) from an Excel job, then there is a good reason for it.

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>>128653044
rage moar faggot

>>128631133
is that a thing in america? in the uk they are just trying to get kids into coding (which is wrong they should be pushed into computer sciences)

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>>128652988
Proofs apply "natural language" and not real logic. They're inherently litigious and therein esoteric.

You're holding on to your world view because he comforts your ego like every nerd beta. But that doesn't change the fact that advanced maths (outside of what I mentioned) are inherently illogical abstracts and symbolically inclined toward repetitive thought that lacks innovated creative rational logos.
It's Jewish as fuck

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>>128653563

>women can't code
they seethe as they create mass movements to troll, doxx, rape and haxx female game developers (GamerGate) because they proved to the world they code better than men and get consistent 10/10 ratings across the board

>>128647841
>there's a lot of time doing boring boilerplate code
If you're a good programmer you will have automated that

Ive been offered a QA gig at a bank

Will i become a Pajeet?

>>128653667
oh, now i see. please forgive me. what can i do to gain your mercy?

>>128653720
>implying any of that happened during gamergate
Mass Effect Andromeda proves you wrong lad. 0/10

>>128653492

I'm pretty good at Verilog but my degree taught me fuck and all about what's actually involved in embedded systems design.

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>>128654033

>>128654087
That was mostly written by men.

All games written exclusively by women/PoC get consistent ratings above 9/10 and that's why white boys are mad. You're entitled and your overinflated view of yourself is crumbling as you're replaced by superior workers, superior thinkers, superior humans.

>>128649167
Go is C based so you may as well learn C/C++ anyway.

>>128648425
>Extensive work
>Used FOSS libraries.

Learn the difference anon.

I could use Google Voice recognition to make the best windows addon in the world, but I dont because no one has paid me too.

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>>128631133
>be a mason
>get home from a day of work
>see this garbage

No, anon.

>>128650215
where is this gym? asking for a friend.

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>>128654269
tl;dr
>pic related achkmed

>>128654315
it's been a while but i can get by in c/c++. i heard some google engineers
>fuck google but anyway
wrote go while they were waiting for some c++ to compile

>>128639475
>t. I always start writing code by creating libraries
Don't act like you are some pro-coding-master

>>128653735
Writing IDE extensions is a job for non-whites, I just hit the shortcut keys and rake in the money.

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>>128654669

>>128654852
>t. Amateur programmer
When you get a job you'll discover that most company already have internal libraries, and that not everything can be abstracted out and still be useful.

>>128652315
wew
>he has an inferiority complex
stay mad dorkus

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This is the difference between men and women.

And why women are straight degenerate now, try and find me a degenerate women who isn't constantly using her smart phone.

Pro tip: You cant

>>128632687
Redpill 101:
Women would send you to shit to feel better and told you manchildren if complains.

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>>128654912

>>128631133
check me?

>>128652536
Now white genocide exist...

>>128653134
>I know C++ up to the level of memory allocation and OOP
Uhh that's basically all programming is. You perform operations on 1's and 0's and write the results somewhere, either to temporary memory or hard disk. OOP just abstracts it to save you time.

Apparently most people that apply for programming jobs can't even solve the "fizzbuzz" question so I guess if you can do that then you're in pretty good shape. Only way to know is to just try. Even if you fail horribly, you won't be remembered by anyone there 5 seconds after you leave so no harm in trying.

>>128653720
>they seethe as they create mass movements to troll, doxx, rape and haxx female game developers

These women never code.

>>128653626
Ohh my god, are you that butthurt about having dyscalculia.
The symbols have meaning. All proofs follow basic rules of logic.
Look up what logical entailment is.

>>128655555

>>128655555


>>128655555

>>128655238
I think your point is addressed thoroughly in that image post, i.e. "power plant."
You are not building the wheel for the nth time, there is no novelty in it.

>>128653134

doing mistakes in C++ can make horrible mistakes that don't get noticed. The trick is to hire people to program in a babby language like python/java/C# there even if they make mistake they wont ruin the whole company. So i don't think people hire newbies for C++

>>128649888
The real answer though, is that Briana Wu is shit and her games are shit. Also, they aren't her games

Programming is a waste of time, it was a great career 10-15 years ago. It's become over saturated and now companies want to hire senior level developers at 60-70k a year, which really isn't that much in this day and age, especially if you have kids.

>>128631133
Its fun to do

>>128656336
>java
>babby language

>>128656022
>"power plant."
That kind of compartmentalised programming does exist but it's rare outside of military or otherwise sensitive projects, I have full source code access and could rebuild it in a similar form from memory.

>there is no novelty in it
There is to me, I don't write the same thing twice, I copy the old version into a library if I'm about to, and I don't particularly care whether other people have done the same thing before unless I can download it as a library. I enjoy it, and I get paid for it. That's a good deal.

>>128632221

this person is fucking retarded

>>128656913
>companies want to hire senior level developers at 60-70k a year

Is still that high nowadays? Thought it would be much lower since they can outsource coders in cheap places like India.

>>128631234
Can confirm, I only use Debian OS and still not a "Linux wizard" or even know shit about coding, just a bit on kernels for tasks


>inb4 Install Gentoo

Gentoo is shit

>>128657886
I have 70k starting doing embedded systems.

>>128655498
wtf.. it may be a while since i did any "coding", but fizz buzz seems like something that anyone who has learnt javascript/python for 1-2 days should be able to code.

what about data-scientist and data-mining , data-warehouses, machine learning?

Anyone doing that? i think data-scientist is the new programmers, and programmers are now web designers mostly

>>128631133
If you've been paying attention over the last 27 years, you would have realized that the jews, in order to flood a given market/work niche with workers, push working in x,y,z field. When there are many more workers than the actual demand calls for, employers can naturally drop the labor prices and fuck you sideways.

In 1990, an engineer with a BSME degree could earn 65k/year straight out of college in practically all engineering fields.

Today? The only places in mechanical engineering that pay 65k are international firms, certain construction firms and oil companies. No even NASA pays 65k lol, you don't need to when only 25% of a graduating class can find a job.

So what changed? The neo-liberals flooded the labor market with engineers like myself. When we graduated we realized how fucked we really were.

>>128658431

at job interviews, coding on a whiteboard without compiler can make you nervous. there are much more crazier stories than that. like write a program that count from 0 to 100 but you have to start with for (i = 100 ...

do it fast now

>>128658123
Consider yourself lucky, it won't be that way for long if the globalists have their way.

>>128658123

Thanks for that pointer. Gives me something new to look and dabble with since I never thought about embedded systems before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9eqvkMzHA

Still, $70k is not bad. I would take over $0k. You could look at it that way.

>>128658877
for (var i = 100; i > 0; i--)
Console.WriteLine((i + 1) % 101);

I think. I've never actually had a non-computerised programming test in an interview, I question if they really exist.

>>128659242

dude that is wrong. lol people are writing blog posts about how people cant solve it. i guess they where right all along. This is easy problem. making small mistakes is not tolerated at all

i got interviews where i had to program on whiteboard and much harder problems

>>128632221
You have no idea of much this has changed my views of it.


Better be a Kali Wizard now but i know fuck all...

I just want to hurt muslim countries, steal their secrets or even hurt retarded countries such as India or China for the lulz. No chance I get extradited there

>>128650139
Now I wonder what the fuck I am doing with my life?....

>>128644531
>It's pretty obvious we don't need to write basic code anymore.

That's kind of BS.

I have never had to write assembler, but I've had to write C and C++ code, which is pretty close to the machine. I was just writing C code the other day.

I have to reinvent the wheel in other languages and other frameworks all the time. I wish it wasn't so. It's not something I worry about, my life would be easier if it were so and I'd make more money.

>>128648617
THIS

>>128632687
Best part about this is that all the speakers were selected blindly based on content provided.

Top. Lol.

>>128646286
>the failure of some is caused by the success of others

The majority of people work. A small minority of heirs parasitically expropriate the surplus labor time of those of us who do work.

In 1916, the "failures" were Russia's workers, Lenin, Stalin etc. The "successes" were the czar, his wife and children, his ministers etc.

A couple of bullets from the guns of brave Bolshevik soldiers changed that paradigm around.

>>128633151
Thanks for the tip sempai but, where do I start?

>>128648396
hear hear

Programming pays shit these days. Not worth it, especially when you have to meet a deadline you end up working when you get home. I don't recommend it at all. There's way easier jobs out there that pay comparable. I read about a guy on here a couple weeks ago who made 60k a year being a certified wine taster. I'd almost rather be a bartender at this point.

resume this thread for me please

>>128661713
Make your own original games and hope it gets popular, publicity pays enough

>>128648396
I'll second this to the best of my abilities. I do Linux systems administration along with development, but it's 80% administration.

We have 1 woman on our team, who is the most panicky individual I've ever met. Her code is sloppy when she does write any, implements half assed solutions, and honestly doesn't contribute a lot.

The other women I interact with are all middle manager tier, which are just beyond useless. You can put 9 of these women in a meeting with 1 man, and without fail all 9 will look to the man to come up with solutions or commit to getting shit done.

Of course before they look to the man they'll say "I dunno what do you ladies think?" while looking around the room hoping someone else comes up with answers for them.

>>128661986
Programming is not anymore what we used to think, all mostly copy-paste from existing satabases. Create programs according to functions and goals needed, learn the basis from the required language simply. If you want to make $$$ go into security


that's about all yet

bumperino

>>128661713

You can even become a private garbage truck garbage collector and start at $70,000 and end up making $100,000 in just a few years.

>>128662031
Out of all the things I've done in programming, game programming is hands down the most time consuming. You could spend YEARS on a game, easily.

>>128662223
There's money to be made elsewhere. With a surplus of half assed devs comes a need for people who understand deploying software, maintaining databases, who can think outside the box when it comes to automating process.

>>128659242

Just subtract from 101 bro

Your way starts counting at 0 and as soon as you hit anything that goes into 101 more than once it all goes to hell

>>128658877

for(int i = 100; i <= 101; i++){
print.out("0 to 100");
break;
}

>>128662729

lol he also has the '>' wrong way. so his code never does anything. i think he got so embarrassed that he left thread

>>128662542

>Molina made $112,000 last year as a garbage truck driver and Sankar made $100,000 as a helper, riding on the back of the truck. Their wages have grown in eight of the last nine years, according to their bosses, brothers David and Jerry Antonacci, owners of Crown Container, a waste management company.

>Molina dropped out of high school in the 10th grade and he's worked at Crown for 10 years. He says his starting salary was about $80,000. Sankar too dropped out of school before migrating to the U.S. from Guyana 20 years ago.

No school debt, not wasting 4-8 years learning something that you might find and a job in and get good pay.

>>128662894

you are hired, welcome aboard sir

>>128662223
Thanks anon

>>128631446
>this was proven in the .com bubble
Fun fact: There are 4x more devs employed today than their were during the late 90s .com bubble.

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how do I into programming?

>>128662894
would bounce coding ideas off you for giggles and 2deep4me feeling /10

>>128663124

for(int i = 0; i < 10; i++){
if(i == 0){
print.out("8");
}
else if(i > 0 && i < 9){
print.out("=");
}
else{
print.out("D");
}
}

>>128659242
You over thought it. Just imagine 100 as a starting point, same as 0, and account for it at the end with minus.

for (var i = 100; i >= 0; i--)
Console.WriteLine(100 - i);

>>128659928 is right though. It can be challenging to do it on the spot, especially if you're a nervous sort of person in social situations. I'd say good interviews though wouldn't make you do it under a very harsh time limit though. I'd assume they want to see if you can do it at all rather than can you do it under 60 seconds or whatever.

>>128631133

Coding, technology, are the future.
However being a front end dev doing basic rote code jobs is going to be the new blue color worker.

Plug and play, barely any innovation, fix the broken shit kind of work.

The real creatives will be doing new stuff. There's a lot of "muh diversity" shit going on in these fields for a number of reasons. Most especially because coders on average are libcuck city slicker men. A lot of muh-diversity libshits in general.

The only advantage here is currently being a coder of any stripe is still something that requires intelligence, so the blacks you meet are smart. The girls you meet are smart. The men you meet are smart. Which is fine, really, because its an equalizing field since women can do cognitive tasks just fine, just not physical ones.

>>128662962

No, his > is fine. The loop stops at i = 1, 1 > 0, 0 = 0.

>>128662985

this is insane. it would be so easy for any college kid to learn that stuff though. why wont people do it? are they working more hours or what? something is wrong here

>>128663723

Your code also starts at 0

>>128659242
Lol
for(i = 100; i < 201; i++)
print (i - 100)

>>128631133
No idea why would would get into programming at this point.
It is all getting increasingly automated and shipped over seas now.

Actually the funny thing is most lower level white collar work is getting automated and downsized faster than menial labor currently, but no one seems to really be talking about it as much.

>>128631133
No. Blue collar work is the new blue collar work.

>>128632203
Blue collar will be coding, while liberal arts graduates will have jobs like making lattes and avocado toasts.

>>128663968
>write a program that count from 0 to 100
?

>>128663796
It's mostly machine learning and AI that is becoming the new "innovation", that way they can automate everyone's jobs. Eventually they will work to write programs to automate programming as well - good ones, that is. They won't stop until everyone is out of a job and their labor has been completely devalued and the elite class rules all of us like some sort of feudalist society since they own all the shares and all the factories and all the property.

For me it's sort of a moral thing to not want to do AI or machine learning. Because each person you put out of a job is going to be looking to learn a new trade, and when writing AI and machine learning is all that's left, don't expect to have a job yourself.

>>128663723

there was a blog post about it and it was like a huge percent of computer science student could not do it under 2 minute. most of them made mistakes that needed correction from the interviewer and some even gave up.

so people laughing at fizzlebuzz is overestimating fresh programmers

>>128632221
I read these books. Am I bad?
>CLRS
>Art of computer programming
>KRC
>Automata theory
I work as a Caterer

>>128656336
bugs have the same consequences in the languages you posted
>>128658564
>programmers are now web designers
web designers are not programmers at all
>>128659928
>i got interviews where i had to program on whiteboard and much harder problems
nobody does programming on a whiteboard except students in universities.
if a company wants to test your coding itself they just give you a problem/task, tell you set up a repo and commit at least once every 30 minutes or something. this actually tests what you'd do normally at work.
finding solutions to problems is what you do. no need to reinvent the wheel, especially since your own wheel WILL be inferior.

>>128664269

you are assuming that everyone can learn AI and machine learning? i think we made clear in this thread that most people cant even program simple counting

>>128663960

Well it is hard work and usually those salaries are in the cities.

CNN Money: The $100,000 job: Garbage workers

http://archive.is/CShoQ

There was a recent article about this again but on cbs news and they were highlighting a female garbage collector.

>Outside of physically grueling work, negative stigmas deter young adults

That's the problem right there. We are constantly taught that we are better than these jobs and we would rather go homeless than do it.

>tfw CS major
>tfw everyone on /pol/ tells me software development is dead and horrible

am I doomed? What should I do with my life?

>>128665251
Do alt-tech shit and save the west

>>128665251
I wish I could do a job where I just walk around some sort of factory and tell people what to do and make notes and take occasional phone calls. I'm pretty sick of staring at computer screens.

128666666

>>128658877
for (int i = 100; i <= 200; i++){
System.out.println(i - 100);
}

>>128666666

>>128665060
you have to realise this is /pol/, where coding is at most a hobby, not a profession to most people.

Ask on /g/ and the result would most likely be a lot different.

>>128664269
So, Luddism or Accelerationism?

What about the Elon Musk brain interface thingy? Merge with the machine and become superintelligent. Ascension?

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>>128631133
Silly Op is just salty he cant code,
There's no better way to influence the modern
world then through the technology we have at
our fingertips, if your too lazy to learn it that's fine,
but at least appreciate that coding is going to be
the last job to be automated.

var opIsGay = Math.floor(Math.random() * 100) != 1;
Console.log("Op is " + (opIsGay? "a fucking faggot" : "strait somehow"));

F12, paste this into the console for your fortune op

>>128664896
Or they send you to codility or hackerrank

>>128654307
much insecurity, little, feminist troll.

have you been crying rape today?

>>128664896

>bugs have the same consequences in the languages you posted
the difference is that the compiler/IDE/virtualmachine in the "babby" language wil pick up all kinds of mistakes, and they wont let you touch memory. They prevent a newbie from creating security whole (that will compile just fine, but can be exploited by hackers), or they create errors that will show up much later randomly.

>web designers are not programmers at all
yes but the word "programmers" changes meaning when mainstream gets hold of it. that's the point.

>nobody does programming on a white
i did at an international company

>>128665482

I went to /g/ a while ago and came right back out. The ego going on in there is cringe worthy. And, at the time, it was constantly Windows vs Linux vs Apple OSs fighting. Not sure how bad it is still nowadays.

>>128631133
They can try to push that, but most of them won't even be able to do front end. Although I've seen some women with amazing design/UX/UI skills. When it comes to more complex programming, there will be even less of them who are competent

>>128665820
I've come to the conclusion that no one on /g/ actually knows anything other than Linux

>>128665362
alt-tech?

I'm really interested in AI stuff, but I think it might be too late to succeed in that.

>>128665482
Thanks for reminding me I'm wasting time on the channel. Better to waste my time on /g/

>>128631133
Nah, you need to have the right kind of brain for it.

>>128666026
What makes you think that? It might be too late to be the founder of DeepMind, but there's still plenty to do.

>>128658877
for(int i = 100; i >= 0; i--)
s(exually)t(ransmitted)d(iseases)::cout<<100-i;

>>128665772
you think there are no "compiler/IDE" for C++?

>They prevent a newbie from creating security whole (that will compile just fine, but can be exploited by hackers)
wew, are you a low budget tv series writer?

>i did at an international company
and they told you to write them a loop as a test?

>>128666320
Nerd.

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>>128655772
>The symbols have meaning. All proofs follow basic rules of logic.
No they follow natural language which isn't developed by logic but culture. You're missing the point.

>>128655243
>inferiority complex
Is that why I'm holding you to task? It has nothing to do with your beta nerd insecurity and inability to explain basic reasoning behind job entailment of coding?


>>128665507
Jews don't code.

They just make entertainment and control you all through it.

>>128666026
Isn't too late, but AI is more mathematics/statistics than it is about programming.

>>128665507

console.log("OP is a %s",Math.random()>0.01?"fag":"fag")

Cleaned up your code for you, anon.

>>128664269
>not building an AI army to kill off the elites

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>>128645875
I'm not refuting you, just thought I'd share :
Ada Lovelace, Inventor of Programming

>>128666259
>>128666483
because i"m really cynical and pessimistic and don't believe in myself.

Do you guys think I'd be able to break into the field?

>>128666631

did you solve the counting problem in this thread yet?

>>128641785

Fucking this.

Let these neck beards wax poetic about "that computer science job they want to get but only have two semesters under their belt"

I own my own house, two cars, and work for myself now. What the fuck are all you haters doing that I should be so jealous of?

>>128666710
see >>128665422

yep, but I think you formulated the problem wrong. How could anyone possibly fail it?

Pay a pollack on fiverr to program something for you works great

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>>128666492

but muh readability

>>128646393

You'll get better. Keep your head up.

>>128667031
Then sell the program or claim it as your own

>>128666483
By "break in", yeah I mean you can learn the basics and get your own data running through it. I actually did just that by taking a free online course on coursera (google "coursera machine learning"). The basic ideas are pretty simple. If you mean make some sort of advancement, you either better be a math god to come up with a better algorithm or an electrical engineering god and come up with a better circuit.

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>>128665182
>CNN Money: The $100,000 job: Garbage workers
Fake news

Garbage guys make 30K for 20yrs until they get in the (((Union))).
Wait in line behind Pablo, Jesus, and Jose.

>>128666631
I don't know. I guess if I were you, I'd try doing one of the free online courses, like the Coursera courses by Andrew Lo or Geoffrey Hinton. Hinton is pretty awesome. If you find you can understand it, and apply it, I'd say you stand a decent chance.

>>128647126

Lmfao well memed

>>128667119
meant to reply to >>128666631

>>128666889

no no , i formulated it right. some guy in this thread failed it at least.

i would get into AI if you like math (linear algebra, tensors, optimizations) and statistics. The research is kinda like you build a system and then you train it for 8 hours. and then you try to analyze how it worked. using statistical tools and thinking. it is still a black-art and is very different from other kinds of programming and engineering.

pajeets and code artisans are killing the industry. the next tech bubble is going to be catastrophic.

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Anyone know how to get into the creative writing aspect of VR and gaming?

Video games have the worst writers.

>nb4 it's who you know

>>128663960
>>128665182

What's good about that salary range is that you don't have to be working the job your whole life. Just work 10 years at it. Don't be stupid with spending and save as much as you can. You can quit and open up your business say a pizza store which believe it or not makes good money. Hire a bunch of college grads who can't find work and pay a little over min wage like $10 an hour. Easy work from there and you get to laugh at the college grads.

>>128666631
btw, I was already a programmer in a field where we use machine learning, and then taught myself machine learning, and now use it

>>128664269
that's a bit hyperbolic anon.

by coding, you automate tasks, taking work away from people often times anyway.

>>128649398

This.

I just dropped an obnoxious client because I know they'll go to pajeets.

When they come crawling back they'all be looking at a 1.5x upcharge on the whole app.

>>128667281
Yeah I'm mostly attracted to the idea of building huge systems that run themselves and accomplish complex tasks.

Like I'd love to build enormous automated asteroid-mining systems or cities full of self-driving cars that serve everybody as optimally as possible. But then again i'm an ignorant nerd and I don't know what I'm talking about.

>>128667514

how much does machine learning jobs pay? and what are the jobs called

>not being a diesel mechanic at a port with a logistics & transportation Co.
>30 hour weeks (8 months only), $67k with benefits
>side gigs;
>4 weeks a year, hunter guide assistant, $23k
>growing 22 cannabis plants, harvested a year, $36k
I'll feel for y'all. Just because it's not hard, manual labor... doesn't mean it's not a soulcrushing grind (deadlines).
Come join me y'all, grow some weed and eradicate large pests from ranches! At least $56k a year (minimal input of work) with just so much spare time senpai!

>>128649928
to drive down wages in the industry you moron. no one wants to pay you 80K-100K starting to sit on your ass and be a FUCKING WHITE MALE. more warm bodies means lower pay for everyone. there's always some ass hat that will say cheap options are bad programmers but every company needs software so even the bad ones (most) get employed. more bad ones means lower wages for everyone.

>>128667514
>>128667119
I'm going through this book "Hands-On Machine Learning with Scikit-Learn and Tensorflow", and then i'll try and apply what I learn to some of the data I work with at my current internship. We'll see what happens. I imagine I won't find much success, though, because the data is such a ugly mess.

>>128667747

Don't you just love those obnoxious clients. Hope you burn them with that in the end.

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>>128667373
>Anyone know how to get into the creative writing aspect of VR and gaming?
>Video games have the worst writers.

Come on you pillow fuckers, answer me!

>>128653901

No.

Develop your management/sales/interpersonal skills along the way and don't do one job for more than 2 years unless you're the best at it.

>>128666543
>Ada Lovelace, Inventor of Programming
Ada Lovelace did not invent programming, you fucking imbecile.

http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=546

Just because the femifags at Wikipedia tell you something, that doesn't make it true.

>>128667935
Just search for the words "machine learning"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14460777

As for pay, it really varies based on what field you're in. Anywhere from high five figures to low six figures. Some job titles are just "developer" but in a small company where you also end up being the guy who does machine learning.

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>>128642720
my iq is 95 from an apparently good online test, am i good into coding brah?

also... am black

>>128665507
>using "!=" instead of "!==" in JavaScript
>not using es6
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>128667373

It's who you know and what you've done.

Offer your services to a group of programmers and artists for free so people can see that you're not bullshitting.

>>128662576
Can't get a job in AI without a PhD.

Even if you have a github full of real world applications of various machine learning shit, doesn't matter.

Worst part is the PhDs don't even know how to install intellij

>>128668389
is it possible to succeed with only a BS in CS and Math?

Do I need to go to grad school?

>>128631133
>Is Coding the new blue collar proffession?
It really is shitty. Supervisors with zero skills or ability seem to think you can craft miracles ahead of deadline and still allow for a barrage of scope creep. All the while giving you impossible artificial deadlines and docking you when you fail to meet arbitrary goals. I got our of coding for this reason, now I pity the fools who think its the best thing that ever happened to them.

>>128668060
Dealing with messy data is one of the less glamorous aspects of machine learning. I think they call that side of things "data science".

But someone's got to do it. In some cases, owners/managers even realise that it's worth paying someone well who is both willing and capable of dealing with horribly messy data. Maybe eventually there will be some (semi-)automated way to solve this. Whoever comes up with that might have a potential business start-up.

"Coding" isn't normally enough to earn big bucks. You need to be able to leverage it into something that's actually useful and you're fantastically more employable if it's a complement to another skillset, rather than your main one.

That's why banks employ maths and physics grads who can code as their quant staff and not CS grads. The latter can code; the former know the requisite complicated maths AND how to code it.

>>128654892
If you can generate the boilerplate with a shortcut key then why is it taking you a long time?

>>128631133
Let me tell you a story /pol/ about 3 roommates. One black, one Tejano, and one white.

>black guys been studying programming for 8 months, can barely make a website
>me, been messing around making websites for about 2 months. nothing major but way better than nerd nigger
>white guy been studying for 3 years. proficient in php, javascript, java. etc. is leagues away in terms of knowledge and creativity
>the 3 of us apply for a random start up, i just applied to apply. i already have a better paying job
>i'm surprised i get called
>congratulations! you got the job. you'll make a great contribution for our team. we could really use your skills. actually we want you to be the overhead of yada yada ydada basically be overlord of a team of mostly white males
>i decline.
>guess who got called?
>THE FUCKING NIGGER

Jesus Christ. This country is a joke. Thank God I moved back to my hometown and quit my job. I'd rather not deal with dumb liberal whites and niggers.