Donald trump privatising air traffic controll

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>>128603650
Privatize?

Good idea.

I'm for it as long as it's done properly.

>>128603928
Why does Bane wear the mask?

>>128603650

good

>>128603650
It's going to be run by an non-profit org.

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>>128604994

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>>128605053

>>128603650

No idea what this means or implications it has.

>>128605097
Government is synonymous with inefficiency. This is the entire point and the argument Trump is using to privatise it

>>128605097
Cheaper flights everywhere forever since they can't be gouged universally through "regulation"

>>128605097
>Antiquated ATC technology will get replaced faster
>Won't be tax funded, airlines fund it instead

>>128603650

AnCap paradise where private airtraffic control become so efficient we dont need roads any more here we come

>>128605097

flying in the US will become cheaper and more efficient, that's all you need to know.

>>128604994
wierd

>>128603650
Wonderful news.

They should privatize all other govt. airport functions too. I'm tired of seeing TSA dindus playing with fidget spinners or "dey phones" instead of checking passengers.

Never forget we have had presidents with balls before.

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/08/reagan-fires-11-000-striking-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-012292

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>>128606154
Use archive
>http://politico com/story/2008/08/reagan-fires-11-000-striking-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-012292
https://archive.is/FRSGk

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Name just 1 industry that wouldn't benefit from being privatized.

I'm waiting.

>The Clintons and Obama tried to do this
>European countries do this

I can't wait to see all the doom and gloom headlines about how this is going to destroy the world and only help the wealthy from the press.

>>128606245
This is b8

>>128606245
Corollary- name one industry run by government that's actually efficient and effective.

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>>128606442

healthcare.

>>128606245
medical

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>Baltimore/Washington International Airport privitizes ATC
>Mass hire googles
>"Ayo hol' up Southwest 220, muhfuggin Delta 106 is on the runway"
>Flights now leave an average of 6 hours late
>Near total chaos as planes narrowly avoid each other, complete breakdown of air traffic flow
>WE WUZ AIR TRAFFIC COMPTROLLERS AND SHEEIT

>>128603650
NO MORE STANDING IN A LINE TO BE XRAYED FOR WEAPONS FOR FLIGHTS THAT DONT LEAVE THE COUNTRY. GOT TO THE POINT WERE I WOULD JUST RENT A CESSNA SO I WOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT HOURS FOR MY FLIGHT.

>>128606556
Clarification: That's NOT in a homogenous scandinavian country

Good. I support this. ATC requires government oversight for qualification of controllers and adherence to regs but it does not need to be in the business of actually running the whole operation.

Remember that plane crash in Albequerque which was caused by an air traffic controller who was too sad to concentrate properly bcos his daughtered died of heroin?

That will happen a lot more if ATC is privatised.

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>>128605303
This is often said, but reality is not that simple. For example, our railway system became much shittier when it was privatized, since it became so segmented. All the private actors now blame each other when shit goes wrong and trains stop moving. Privatization is generally preferable to monopolies, but in certain sectors it causes more trouble than it is worth.

Another argument is that privatization always leads to better prices, which has also shown to be false here in both energy production and pharmacies.

Whether privatization is the best for air traffic control I don't know, but I know privatizations brings pitfalls along with its benefits.

>>128606840
More people will die of heroin because of this?

>>128606840

YOU'RE GODDAMNED RIGHT

>>128604801

Because no one cared who he was until he put it on.

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>>128606577
>let the fat shits die
pretty sure thats a benefit.

>>128605097
Automation

>>128606623

-Bald'mo Control, this here be KFC 151 heavy. We tryin' to fly the fuck up outta here, aiight?

-KFC 151, proceed to runway 16R, 1010.42

-Bald'mo Control, I already in the air bitch fuck you trying to tell me what to do you ain't my dad I ain't got one.

-Baltimore this is KLM 15 be advised KFC 151 is inverted and heading out into the ocean.

>>128603650
couldn't really give a shit, would be more excited if he abolished the TSA and relinquished governmental control of the airlines entirely. It's a little crumb from the table to show he's "for the people."

I like how he says this shit is outdated, but then wants to open up new coal mines. Idiot

>>128604679
You know it won't be

>>128607848
literally every other country does this and it works fine.

even if some jewish company tried to run air traffic control they would get sue'd to shit if something went wrong.

>>128607406
POP OFF JAMES!

>>128604994
what did they mean by this?

>>128605724
>more bums flying around
Is that good?
>>128605556
Neat.
>>128605342
>more bums flying around
Is that good?
>>128605303
What happens with the folks already working these jobs? Who trains ATC?

>>128608084
That the US is still on level with mongolians, nips, apes and sand niggers

>>128608022
>jewish company
>getting sued
top l'chaim

>>128608174

as it is you already travel with the scum of the earth.

can't get any worse.

now you may also be able to afford first class since it will be cheaper as well.

>>128608084
ATC operated by government or not

>>128606623

This I can see happening.
Government enforced "diversity" hirings.
But that was probably already a problem.

>>128606840

lmao that was tv

>>128603650
already happens in Italy

Real question here, not trying to start any conspiracy bullshit. How come there wasn't at least some kind of warning from air traffic control that hijacked planes were heading toward New York? I know people were informed, but weren't they hijacked for at least a little while? I'm not saying they can predict they were heading toward the towers and that everyone should be evacuated, but it seemed so weird that a hijacked plane that was never heading to New York was pretty close, and yet emergency services weren't notified of any of it, as a fire man dicks around with a sewer or something in the streets of Manhattan. And then after the two towers were hit and air traffic control can see a hijacked plane heading toward Virginia, the Pentagon wasn't already evacuated? Weird.

>>128608293
>hundreds die
>not getting sued
good try retard.

the reason the jews get away with scamming so much is because they dont kill anyone immediately.

>>128608174
Flying already sucks, whats the difference if there's some more trashy people on board.

Airlines are an instrument of national policy and as such have historically operated in a strange nexus between the public and private sectors. I have no problem with this change. I don't think it's something that Trump decided. It's more likely something that was left on his desk waiting for him when he walked in.

>>128608605
just because the suit is brought forward doesn't mean jewish companies(ones with big lawyers to help) aren't going to pay little in way o compensation. It happens all the time. The current judicial system is pretty fucking kosher you mong.

>>128603650
The free market will make it better.

>>128608883
you cant just jew your way out of a suit with that much public outcry.

the government would get involved as well and they would go bankrupt easily.

>>128606245
The military.
If privatized would be eaten up by lawsuits,

>>128608883
also, would like to add that until "Unsafe at any Speed" for the auto industry, plenty died- no meaningful litigation. Until "The Jungle" -the meat industry was very disgusting in its practices. Food for thought.

>>128607005
Actually it was when states could tax the land used by the railways. It became cheaper to rip up the rails in many places at the expense of the larger network.

>>128608999
checking your trips, but average joe is going to out jew the jew, sorry it's not going to happen. Unless you can outspend the company you're bringing the suit against, or your lawyer is that adept, it's not going to happen. Watch the tv series "Goliath" for a dramatization on shit that goes on all the time.

>>128609350
>watch this tv show to prove my point
lmao you're dumb as rocks.

doesnt really matter though, trump will continue whether you like it or not.

>>128607406
POP OFF JAMES!

>>128609573
it was a fucking example you dumb asshole, i don't give a shit you watch it or not, what i describe still happens.Your total belief in the judicial system as it stands is fucking stupid.

I seem to recall a few people using flight trackers during the Julian Assange capture scare, to monitor some military flights and as well as alleged CIA flights. Wouldn't privatization means that those trackers no longer become available? Seems shady to me if that is the case.

>>128609754
>companies dont get sued for breaking the law and killing people
>http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/us/peanut-butter-salmonella-trial/index.html
sure thing retard

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>>128609916
Always use archive

>http://cnn com/2015/09/20/us/peanut-butter-salmonella-trial/index.html
https://archive.is/YIJKf

>>128608585
Never mind
https://youtu.be/dzYUuiv5pu8?t=384

I would certainly hope it's different by now and you can actually light up individual flights

>>128609916
nigger, all i said was the actual payout that they give out for killing is small in comparison, do these companies ever truly get in any large amount of trouble? No, my whole point was that you think that the judicial system is going to do the correct thing or protect the people in its current state is laughable.

>>128610155
I really dont care, my point was that they would get sued into the ground and they do.

Shove it up your ass faggot.

>>128608585
I watched a video a while back that was a compilation of air traffic controllers during the whole events, if I remember correctly they do try to scramble some jets as soon as they realise the planes were hijacked. It's like a good 2 and a half hour video. I recommend you watch it, if you can find it.

>>128610233
suck a dick bitch, they're not getting "sued into the ground". your example had one small part of the company getting punished but everything else went on as usual. That's the point, it's just going to keep going on. Have fun believing in the current justice system you dumb fucking faggot. Blow it out your ass,

>>128610455
>gets BTFO
>HURR DURR THEY DIDNT GET PUNISHED AT ALL
>JUST IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE OWNER IS IN JAIL
good try retard

>>128610601
i never said ignore it you fucking illiterate double nigger. GUESS WHAT THAT COMPANY STILL OPERATES WAS MY FUCKING POINT!

>>128605053
>>128605088

Wait, so this could end up SAVING me a ton of money on travel?

>>128610825
ok?

my point was that they get punished accordingly.

shove your head up your ass again so you cant type.

pilotfag here

The US has the highest percapita amount of air traffic in the world (private, commercial and military). In spite of this, we have one of the most effective and safe systems around. Our system sees the highest amounts of air traffic and yet our safety rating is one of the best. While I believe the government often squanders money and is relatively inefficient, if it ain't broke dont fix it.

The only thing I foresee coming from privatization is the slow decline the private aviation community. Large airline corporations are going to take over the privatization and they'll be able to do things like give priority access to specific airlines and charge astronomical amounts for their services.

>>128611090
one small part of the company getting jailed is not "accordingly" you fucking cocksucker. go fuck yourself .have a terrible fucking rest of your day you dumb ass justice system fellating literal retard.

>>128611259
Would it be possible for regional airports to retain their own controllers or will this go nationwide to every airport?

>>128611341
>one small part of the company getting jailed
the ceo got jailed you retard.

kill yourself.

>>128607768
Lol yeah.

>>128607406
POP OFF JAMES

>>128611518
It depends. I know Trump is proposing that a lot of ATC should become automated which means a large decrease in jobs across most ARTCC facilities. I'd imagine regional airports would be less effected by this because often times they aren't employed by the FAA. Most small towers are contracted non-government.

>>128606245
banks

>>128611776
>one person is the whole company
what are assistant CEOS?
what are Chief Risk Managers
What are all their assistants?

k
last reply i give your bait ass responses. you are a retard who is super naive about how things actually work. The justice system is incredibly pozzed in its current state, and I'm going to leave it at that.

>>128610979
>state controlled to private
>not saving you tons of money under literally any circumstance imaginable

my dude...

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>>128603650
He has a point

>>128603650
Trump confirmed ancap president.

Next up is privatization of police and roads.

>>128607005
It's really easy for the state to fuck everything up by moving to private stuff if it does it in an idiotic fashion. Here in BC all our Transit shit is done by a company called Translink and it's just a shit show because the legislation to privatize transit was done in a way that the state can't give 'em slap when they do stupid shit. Most of their trains go by a honour system, so nobody buys tickets. Translink sent people to england to look at how they make people pay, and decided a fence with a door in it you can only go though with a ticket couldn't be done. The previous CEO of translink was forced to step down because of how much of an unbelieveable fuck wit he was, and landed himself in a advisory position with identical pay. They're costantly helping themselves to tax dollars because they just bleed money by being retarded and nobody can do anything because state tied their hands on it.

>>128612564
Given how air traffic control works, it would almost impossible for one company, with a contract at one airport, to somehow make another company, with a contract at a completely different airport, less safe.

not to mention that the idea is that you underbid them, not sabotage their operations.

it's like these lefties have this idea of how capitalism works and all of it;s problems that's completely removed from how it actually works and it's actual problems.

>>128612564
There are literally about 60 nations that have already privatized their AT control. Nearly all their metrics improved, cost, safety, delay times etc.

>>128612564
If they somehow make their competitors "less safe" I would expect a lawsuit to be filed.

>>128603650
The pilots are all employees of private companies. I am not sure why ATC employees must work for the government.

Honestly, I have not thought through the implications thoroughly, but there seems to be nothing that makes this an inherently bad idea.

>>128603650
Good. 90% are morons with anger issues who make 3 times what they're worth

>>128612191
it can go either way
take a look at power privitisation in ontario. complete clusterfuck and prices are skyrocketing while bureaucrats are earning millions of dollars doing made up jobs that were never necessary in the first place

>>128606840
You have that absolutely backwards. Privatising companies means people can actually be fired for poor performance so they actually try.

>>128613170
>it's like these lefties have this idea of how capitalism works and all of it;s problems that's completely removed from how it actually works and it's actual problems.
uh
didn't you know that it's in the interest of the corporate profits to kill all their customers?
duh learn marxism 101 dummy!!!!

Lemme guess, selling it to an Israeli company?

9/11 part 2

>>128614053
>9/11 part 2
oblig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwuVCdfO3_s

>>128614053
i wouldn't worry about it , goy :^)

>>128603650
Suppose that the ATC company will be able to save money by hiring fewer people, and accepting that there will be 10% more casualties.

Is that acceptable?

>>128614053
yeah i can only imagine the kind of back doors that would exist in the new modernized system, if not for foreign countries then for domestic spook agencies

Quote from fact sheet released by White House:

"The President’s 2018 Budget reflects a multi-year process that will result in the transfer of dayto-day
air traffic control from the FAA to a new non-governmental, non-profit corporation. The
Government will retain its role in regulating aviation safety, as it does for all other modes of
transportation. "

>>128614845
What's that? Non-profit? Gasp... but muh evil capitalism and all those deaths... reeee

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>>128603650
Wow Trump is a fraud sell out neocon pushing for more of this bullshit that he claimed he opposed that got him elected.

This is Reagan all over again in 1980s. Enjoy retards when you are living in the Hunger games America.

>>128615187
>>128615316
This.

Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

>>128603650
I don't really see any downside to it

>>128606181
You're the best man.

>>128603650
Can't be any worse than it already is. For the most part, everything should be privatized. At least it would force competition and we might get some innovation

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>>128612564

>>128611950
the only valid response

>>128603650
>The FAA
Has been cited as an example of regulatory capture, "in which the airline industry openly dictates to its regulators its governing rules, arranging for not only beneficial regulation, but placing key people to head these regulators."

Sounds like it's gonna be business as usual where private companies set their own terms anyway, but without them being as able to niggard their competition with government guns. I don't agree that they should be able to hide from liability with corporate shields.

>>128610979
>>128612191

Be honest none of that money is headed for ticket sales. The market is too small and those companies dont drop prices when things get cheaper.

Look at the fuel. Fuel goes up price goes up fuel goes down price stays the same.

But ya privatize it surprised it was not already.

Now about those silencers.......

>>128612564

No he doesnt. Any air accidents make people avoid all airplanes not just one company. Theyll be hurting themselves.

>>128608455
Look up "biographic ineligibility", basically we had 3000 college educated controllers in the pipeline (of which I was one) which were disqualified from ever working ATC because we wuz kangs and shit

>>128606245
roads

>>128608267

So are the blue countries, dumbass.

>inb4 media starts to paint this as the worst thing ever when it's actually a marked improvement

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>>128603650
I don't fly so give no fucks. Flying is nigger tier travel.

Quote from fact sheet released by White House:

"The President’s 2018 Budget reflects a multi-year process that will result in the transfer of dayto-day
air traffic control from the FAA to a new non-governmental, non-profit corporation. The
Government will retain its role in regulating aviation safety, as it does for all other modes of
transportation. "

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>>128609052
lmao

>>128603650
great, I always love it when they let someone skim off the top while contributing nothing. Everything should be privatized so the 1% can get ALL the money.

Why is /pol/ so fucking stupid?
This means that Trump will create a private non-profit organization that controls the airspace and that will be seperate from the air safety agency.
Private run doesn't mean private owned. The government will own this organization.

Privatization only really works if the company hired to do the job wants to provide a decent service.

More often than not the lowest bid for catering gets you Fyre fest tier services and local government gets conned into using them because some dude's cousin owns the company

nobody gives a shit when private prisons do it but if air traffic control goes to shit there will be public backlash

>>128606245

Public transport
Main infrastructures
The military

>>128609052


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