Fucking Rail Guns?!

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>>128592080
>how will this effect the geopolitical landscape
not at all.
Missiles are still the future.

cheaper, easier to deploy, easier to use, can attack from multiple angles.

Missiles > Railguns

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>>128592349
You mid understand hans, Rail guns can shoot down missles, including ballistic missles
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i737rM6FxqE

>>128592080
Not that much really. Railguns largest benefit is that they're substantially cheaper than missiles for certain tasks.

Need to give the equivalent of a 155mm shell to something within ~400km of a shore? Use a railgun.

Need to attack a moving surface target like a ship in the same range? Railgun is perfectly acceptable with the right warhead, still cheaper than a AShM.

Need quick air defense or even taking out a surface target for things within LOS? Railgun is fine and does the job significantly better than the venerable Mark 45.

The utility of the railgun is their versatility more than anything else.

>>128592572
what for? a laser could do that cheaper and way faster.

Laser will be designated anti Missile Defense.
But Missile will always be the best Attack weapon.

>>128592080
Rail guns, you mean high velocity gun...

Rail guns change surface warfare because it is near impossible to shoot the projectile down in self defense. The advances in anti-missile technology is making missiles obsolete.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the US go back to building battleship-like ships armed with rail guns instead of conventional guns.

>>128592720
>what for? a laser could do that cheaper and way faster.

Defraction means that you need to make a significant leap in laser tech like what the USN is doing with FEL in order to make it viable, and even then it's meant to replace CIWS

>But Missile will always be the best Attack weapon.

Depends entirely on the target.

>>128592648
thats what carriers and their planes are for.

is easier, cheaper and more useful as the plane can loiter and attack multiple targets and also provide recon data.

>>128592893
a Missile is always the best option.

>>128592720
Missiles can be countered in various ways. A rail gun is a Solid piece of Issac newton coming at you. They are much harder to counter.

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>>128592572
You dumb fucking niggers. Pic is the weapon of the future.

>>128593009
>Missiles can be countered in various ways
nope it literally can't.

>implying the russians or chinese could intercept balistic missiles with their backwards shit

LMAO

>A rail gun is a Solid piece of Issac newton coming at you.
and has less Fire power than a Drone with multiple smartbombs.

>ow will this effect the geopolitical landscape, particularly with China/North Korea?
it wont , not particularly useful against anything they have , not more then ther stuff usa has mainly missiles .
at sea level solid rockets\ramjets\scramjets are way better then anything ballistic because the atmosphere is thick as fuck so prolonged acceleration > fast initial speed.
>Can we use this technology for space Travel?
no senpai if you mean the specifics of what they develop for ships .
if you mean railguns in general its not 'new technology' as the idea is 100+ years old and the best space use i see for it is a mass driver for a lunar base .

as for earth orbits i can see satellites with mass drivers and giant magnetotorquers shooting paylods\other satellites into higher orbits and then regaining the lost momentum using the magnetotorquer .

>>128592880
I read somewhere that they're looking to go back to Iron-clad esque ships
(The monitor-US civil war)

>>128593205
are you literally talking out of your refugees welcome ass?

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>>128593205
>less fire power than a drone with smart bombs
You stupid nigger, these projectiles travel at Mach 7, that's 7 times the speed of sound

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>>128593031
Damn, he's right
>mfw

>>128593389
top kek

>>128593492
what for?
implying isis monkey could down a drone

LOL

>>128592080
Powerful new technology.
Yanks: We can't let this fall into enemy hands.
How can we protect this new superweapon?
I know!

>rope barrier.

>>128592080
>how will this effect the geopolitical landscape, particularly with China
Not much. You are using ISIS in the Philippines to threaten China interests in the South China Sea. Conventional warfare and naval battles are unlikely unless Taiwan is involved somehow. North Korea is a joke, you can roflstomp them anyways.

>>128592984
>cheaper to send million dollar plains that utilize thousands of dollars of fuel and hundreds of thousands worth of ordinance

>fire a projectile at Mach 7 speed that costs 25k
I'll take the latter

>>128593736
No you cunt, it's cheaper to use railguns

>>128593869
no its not
and they're not guided and are not as precise as a drone strike.

>>128592880
The age of the battleship is long dead. The closest you'll ever see is a cruiser with maybe two EM guns, and that'll be just for interim until capacitance technology matches current power generation capabilities (even a WWII DD can generate enough electrical power to use a railgun and power everything else without issue, it's the capacitors that matter).

>>128592984
>thats what carriers and their planes are for.

You're retarded. There, I said it. Hunk of tungsten wrapped in magnetic casing with guidance kit is always going to be cheaper than sending a carrier somewhere with the ancillary fleet, the auxillary aircraft to get the attack wing to target and fuel to say nothing of potential for loss of personnel. Even a $1 mil tomahawk is more expensive.

>generic shitposting the rest of the thread

Just kys, isn't it time for your call to prayer?

>>128593205
Countering missiles has been a thing for almost as long as missiles have been in existence. Jets have chaff and flares to handle radar and IR missiles and radar scattering coatings on jets have been a thing for the last 20 years. There are even systems for laser scattering to thwart laser guided missiles and bombs. Seriously stop talking out your ass.

>>128593205
Ways to counter a missle, Chaff, Flares, THADD, Iron Dome, YAL-1, Star wars, Phalanx CIWS.

Ways to counter a solid piece of metal traveling faster than sound. Nothing except a ridiculous amount of armor.

>>128594065
>not guided
They're working on that ATM actually
>not as precise as a drone strike
Did you watch the video I linked to you faggot?

>>128592080

currently rail guns need like a bus sized structure to shoot and power it. The bullets are extremely hard to make in mass production because they need to be 100% flawless, they would be cheap if we were competent enough to mass produce them. Its once of those things that using shit tier immigrant slave labor wont cut it.

>>128592648
Don't forget the nuclear reactor on board... and they don't fire warheads

>>128592080
ITT military try hards who the military industrial complex doesn't want.

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>>128594110
Do you think we'll be seeing more ships looking like the zumwalt in the future?

>>128594412
Man, the zumwalt looks and sounds like the ben stein of naval vessels.

>>128594582
You're not wrong...

Drones are cheaper and better in every way.

Railguns are useless bullshit developed so Military Industrial Complex can waste more cash.

>>128594764

Germany is shit posting bigly today.

>>128594412
Yes - though that's unfortunate for aesthetics. Remember, stealth doesn't make anything invisible, it just lowers the range at which one can be detected.

Moving the VLS away from the center of the hull and pushing it to the sides is most definitely the future of ship design - it's better to have a hole in the exterior hull than it is to lose the entire bow when there's a sympathetic detonation of a VLS cell after taking a direct hit.

You can already see the hidden gun becoming mainstream in naval design. The tumblehome design is up in the air though as it was used purely to satisfy Congress' idiotic demands of WE NEED NAVAL FIRE SUPPORT WITH GUNS DAMNIT I SERVED IN WWII WHEN IT WAS USED AND WE NEED IT FOREVER IN THE SAME FORM!

>>128592572
I hope it still makes that awesome resonating sound in the final version.

Ahmed here is right though, missiles and drones are still better than this sci-fi shit.

>>128594892
Not to mention having kinetic rounds on ship is far better then having powder and explodable shells on board.

A solar powered railgun satellite....basically tungsten rods from space at mach 7. The sheer impact force will be fucking immense. Paired with current surveillance tech, the USA could theoretically fuck up anyone in the world, whenever they want, and deny all knowledge of it.

'Your shit just vanished in a fireball? Nope, no fucking idea bro, our forces are chilling at home'

>>128592720
>Laser will be designated anti Missile Defense
Holy shit Mehmet just when I thought you couldn't make Hermans look any worse. At least put on a trip, goat roper.

>>128594872
>make missiles harder to spot
>suddenly harder to intercept and railshits are fucking useless

>>128592080
So how much will you ask when you sell it to the saudis?

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>>128595299
Laser > Railshit

it already gives better rresult and the US is buying more and more into Laser weapons.

Railgun is shit compared to lasers.

Laser = as fast as light
Railturd = only Mach 7

so which one is the better ICBM intercepter Lardo?

>>128593782
We'll be selling it to Saudia Arabia in 10 years.

>>128594764

A predator drone is $4mil, kitted out with its full arsenal, $6 mil...and some durka with a .50 cal could shoot it down.

Or a $25k projectile travelling faster than a muslim rapes german women.

A drone needs skilled pilots, a base to launch, refuelling, and can be lost to ground fire. Once a naval ship has the railgun installed, its powered from its regular reactor, and for the price of one single predator could fire 240 'Fuck you' rounds.

Yeah, I'll take the railgun tech thanks.

>>128593205
You know nothing,ahmed.
Missile electronics can be fried with simple radiowaves.No need for lazors and shit.

The primary advantage of the rail gun system has to do with where the firing energy comes from.

Unlike a missile, rocket, or even conventional bullet, the energy to fire a rail gun projectile is stored externally to the projectile.

Eventually, this makes the projectiles smaller, cheaper to build, and safer to handle. This means you can store, transport, and buy many more of them.

Now, because the firing energy is electrical in nature, you can carefully tune the firing energy on a per shot basis [unlike a giant pile of gun powder or solid rocket fuel].

If you look at the newest US Aircraft carrier, it has a new reactor design with a much higher electrical output. In fact, the ship design has something like an 80% electrical power reserve. The day that ship launches, it will only use a tiny fraction of the electrical capacity of its reactor. The thinking s that over the next 50 years of ship design life, they will continue sticking energy weapons (like railguns) onto that ship, and the electrical budget for all that future weapon work has been planned into the ship from day one.

Electricity fired weapons, like railguns, will be a huge part of US naval warfare because of the tremendous logistical advantages - faster firing, store more projectiles in a given physical space, the projectiles are inert when stored [e.g. an enemy cannot cause an explosion in your "weapons locker" if there are no explosive fuels inside of your weapons..]

>>128595303
You do realize there's not a guy on top of the mast using a spyglass to scan the horizon for incoming missiles, right?

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>>128592572
Railguns can't track fast enough. does that contraption look gimballed to you?

Railguns and lasers are worthless geek toys that show how many dumb faggots are in the military. Missiles are the only weapon.

>>128595786
You know how easy it is to blind the sensors that ships use?

>>128595630
>and some durka with a .50 cal could shoot it down.
which didn't even happen once in the last 30 years

nah you're talking out of your anus.
like usual
go shit in a walmart dumb fuck.

you still need Recon and a drone in the air to see the targets, might as well mount a Smartbomb to it and drop it more precise than your Gaygun.

>>128595643
apparently not you 3rd worlder, otherwise the US wouldn't invest trillions into Laser technology.

>>128595786
yup they use drones for that.

>>128595460

A laser is highly dependent on weather conditions, the type of material it hits, and could potentially be countered by A FUCKING MIRROR.

How long would you need to hold the laser on a target to heat it up/vaporize it? Do we ask tanks to stay still for 30 seconds while the laser reaches maximum heat?

Lasers aren't like Star Wars, they don't go 'Pew Pew'. They would work well on soft targets, but anything with any type of armour would be a different story.

Then counter the various rounds a railgun could launch. Solid projectiles, soft target flechette style projectiles. Imagine 100k ball bearings hurtling towards you at mach 7. Not much will be left standing.

Once the yanks get the basic guns installed, and start fucking with various projectiles, this shit will get even more fun.

>>128594764
>drones are cheaper and better in every way
>railguns are useless bullshit
>denying EW this hard
>implying there isn't a massive logistics bubble surrounding drones

Drones have their purpose but you're a fool if you can't see how a kinetic weapon that has a low upkeep cost could be valuable.

>>128595654
This. The world is proper fucked, welcome to Babylon, bitches.
This is a game changer like the USS Monitor.

>>128595909
Short of an EMP its actually pretty hard.

>>128595276
This is very true. Though a capacitor bank taking a hit can detonate violently, it's not anywhere near as crippling as a standard gun magazine going (even the smaller 5" guns that are ubiquitous around the world can practically rip off a bow).

>>128595982
>trillions
>lasers

Billions at best. But the people who pay for things don't understand how lasers work. They just listen to a bunch of dumb geeks recite science fiction and promise that they can do the same.

They can't. Lasers are useless as a weapon in an atmosphere unless you're just trying to blind sensors and people.

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>>128594764
>>128595303
>>128595460
>T. Kraut arms manufacturer
Missiles are millions of dollars a piece, but the railgun can shoot them down with a 25000 dollar projectile, have a range of 100 miles. We're not gonna buy your shitty missiles if we don't have to, find another job.

>>128596057
You just shine a light at the optics. That's why those russian tanks have the glowing eyes.

>>128595982
You mehmet have no idea how military works.
What they tell they are doing is obsolete tech.
Why do you think they talk about it?Even burgers are not that stupid to show their cards to the world.
Also we shot down a F117 so there is your 3rd world tech.

>>128596212
>just counts the cost of the projectile
>nothing else

You suffer from poor schooling.

>>128596155

Lasers are useless over distances. Variations in weather conditions, humidity, even shit like magnetic conditions can fuck up a laser. It might only be by millimetres, but consider the variation at the impact point, a millimetre difference can end up missing the target completely.

Then add in laser degredation, the further it fires, the weaker it gets. Its pure science fiction. Superheated air (lol plasma) could happen, but we are years away from anything viable in that department.

>>128596270
Because a enemy ship is going to get close enough to a US task group while at the same time firing missiles at it to shine a light at it?

Also railguns real playground is in space not in planetary conditions where atmosphere is a bitch.

>>128595819
Wut? Tracking doesn't matter. You can anticipate the trajectory and fire multiple rounds along the incoming mission's trajectory.

>>128596270
>You just shine a light at the optics

Which US Naval weapons systems are exclusively optically tracked?

I'll wait.

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>>128592080
>Let's build the worlds biggest laser pointer
>"But what are we going to do with it?"
>Dunno, main thing is we build it!

'Murica

>>128596008
The Laser technology is still in its beginning.
once they perfected it it will outperform all other systems, including Railturds.

>>128596025
if its serious shit you fags are going to send in a Carrier group or two anyway.
why bother with useless Railturds when you got all those Jets and Drones.

>>128596212
Laser is the Future, deal with it Railgun fanboy & homo

>>128596395
wow they lost 1 plane but bombed a couple thousend dudes with it the day before.
what an achievment. WOOOOOW. (not).

US Airforce is still the strongest in the World and that ain't gonna change.

>>128596541
Laser will still be the future wether you like it or not

>>128596467
The jokes on you I'm being retarded on purpose, and why would I type a paragraph of shit explaining things people already told them versus a sentence of things people already told them?

>>128596467
Rail guns are a better investment a missile may be a couple million but your investment literally blows up once its used. A rail gun may have a steep base price but will be far more usable and operational for years to come.

>>128592080
>We use them to launch things into space like raw materials
>extremely cheap
Besides the fuck ton of inertia, I don't see why not.

>>128592349
>posts pic of some shitty soviet era missile that can barely travel 200km and is slow as fuck which can be easily shot down

>>128596602
You put the light in the nosecone of the missile so it blinds sensors as it approaches.

>>128596541
Lasers would be good defensive weapons for large asteroid stations in space, but that's it.

>>128596749

This shit is why you krauts keep losing wars, you focus on the wrong tech. You tried to build super-tanks while the yanks developed nukes.

Will I take the advice of a cucked, 2 x world war loser on weapons systems, or the USA, who have taken destroying shit and killing people to a fine fucking art.

Stick to making cars and letting muslims in your country mate.

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>>128592080
I just leave it here.

>>128596749
You have nothing to show.So..
1 stealth plane with 60's tech shot down, versus you cant even make infantry weapons any more because their barrel melts if you want to fire more than once in a minute.
Thats a clear win to the 3rd worlder.Just ask the burgers even they will admit it.

>>128592572
>Rail guns can shoot down missles

Anything can shoot down a missile, including other missiles.

Missiles are just a metal tube packed with explosive material. Breathing on them funny makes them blow up.

>>128592349
>size of missile vs size of shell for railgun
>cost

They are for bombardment you fag not 1v1's

>>128596999
OY bin that knife or else 5 years in Muslim Prison!!!

got stabbed by a muslim already today dickwad?

>>128597094
>1 plane gets shot down in lucky ciscumstances

YES WE BEAT 1ST WORLD TECH!!! STEALTH IS FO LOSERS!!!!

Lmao you fucking retard.
the US could literally glass your shitty country in less than 3 minutes.

>>128596714
And not hit a goddamn thing because it can't fire rapidly.

>>128596749
>The Laser technology is still in its beginning.
>once they perfected it it will outperform all other systems, including Railturds.
That's not how technology works.

>>128596821
Yeah and when the system shorts it'll kill everyone touching a bulkhead.

>>128597261
Butthurt much?You have nothing to show so even 1 plane shot down is much more than you can do.

>>128597244
>bombardment
this is a very outdated concept you faggot

nowadays its about precision to minimize collateral damage.

A drone is already superior to Railturdguns.

>>128596541
Yeah because railgun projectiles are completely immune to weather conditions such as wind, humidity and especially shit like magnetic conditions

Also forget about that thing called friction that affects the railgun projectiles.

>>128596749
A laser's strength decreases significantly decreases over distance, and while lasers may be useful for taking out small aircraft/drones and missiles, the railgun can be useful for hitting targets on shore, other ships, and the railgun could be used on land. Neither system can fully replace the other as each has its own benefits, though thinking that lasers can accomplish anything is foolish. Especially when railguns improve to become more guided, and therefore for accurate.

>>128596999
Triplets confirm this entire post as true.

>>128596749
>why bother with useless Railturds when you got all those Jets and Drones.
Capability. Sure, the start up cost for one railgun is massive but it is much cheaper over the long run than upgrading avionics on aging airframes and building drones that will suffer combat losses. Drones aren't some magical solve all, they can still be affected by EW and require pilots and technicians to function.

With a railgun you gain the capability to destory targets with a relatively cheap method and add further protection to a carrier group.

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>>128597376
we don't need to, we got the US and their entire arsenal to protect us.

>>128597444
if its near the ocean you niggers will send a Carrier group anyway what the fuck don't you understand about that?

>>128597444
Lasers excel in blinding enemy sensors,not damage dealing.

>>128592080
We need to construct a massive 10km long rail gun with metal pods and then put all our non whites into the pods and we launch them to back where they came from.

>>128597540
make the drones more stealthy and protect them better against EW.

literally cheaper and more effective.

>>128592893
Or use microwave wavelengths (MASER) as there is no in atmosphere loss.

>>128597554
You might want to ask Trump about that US and their entire arsenal to protect you.

>>128597261

German miltech is a joke, the last decent bit of kit you made was the Panther, 50+ years ago. Your current squad MG is based off the MG42, also 50+ years old. The only thing you fuckers can do well is make cannon barrels for tanks.

Yanks created the A10, the Apache, Abrams, the AR15, those Spooky Gunship death machines, Aircraft carriers that are floating cities, a missile that can hit a cave and cause a firestorm that sucks the air out of a cave network killing all the durkas inside.

Even inbred hicks in the USA keep inventing fucked up new rounds for shotguns that are monumentally dangerous.

If you want a car that'll last 20 years, buy German. If you want to utterly destroy your enemy in the most horrific and hilarious way, buy American.

'Hey, can we invent a gun that can fire 1million rounds per minute?'......yanks already made one.

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>>128592080
I don't get it why doe it shoot Tungsten H into orbit to come down and destroy a city? A very fast strait line weapon, that could blow another ship in half yes. If another ship that close they would have already fired missiles.

>>128596821
This

>>128597736
>as there is no in atmosphere loss.

Are you fucking kidding? Diaelectric heating will rob 70% of the energy.

>>128597795
>If you want a car that'll last 20 years, buy German.
Thats a myth you know.At least since the Beetle.

>>128596726
>America built the worlds biggest laser pointer
>>"But what are we going to do?"
>>Dunno, main thing is we build it, but bigger!
>'Russia
Later that day...
>Germany: sirs, may I build missiles pl0x, my granpa literally invented them sirs
>Hans' 2 Stepdads Tom and Vlad: Oy vey, eat shit filthy antisemite
Will Germany ever recover?

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EMP trumps railguns and missles.

>>128593205
this guy is an expert in being retarded

german pseud

>>128597891
No. Maintenance of railgun systems are far more complex and integral to the ship than missile systems.

>>128597965
There's no such thing as a non-nuclear EMP.

>>128592080
>a big ass cannon
Call me when there are 100% stealth missiles, that would be the game changer.

>>128598123
Hypersonic ones go so fast that they might as well be invisible.

>>128597360
>implying we won't have a shot ton of countermeasures in case anything happens
We're not China. We actually care about safety.

>>128595293
ICBMs can be used to deliver kinetic energy weapons as well,

>>128592349
Hans, missiles are fine and all but good luck shooting down a railgun shell with a CIWS

>>128597795
>Yanks created the Abrams

with kraut help, and they still got their dollar-burner AKA Abrams blowed by old russian RPGs

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>>128597795
>German miltech is a joke
who gives a fuck?

I ain't going to some war blowing up monkeys.
US goes and dies for me and I just enjoy the combat footage on youtube while eating Pizza.

The US literally has Laser point defense batteries in operation service in its navy. Railguns are mundane at this point.

>>128598123
>100%
Stealth
t. Mexican intellectual
>>128597965
Right, EMPs are used all the time in combat

>>128597692
>make the drones more stealthy and protect them better against EW.
We do have "stealth" drones you stupid fuck. Drones are better for swarming targets, COIN, and recon. There is only so much capability one weapon system or multiple, similar weapons systems can provide. Why would I send out a drone with a missile from a ship to hit a costal target when I can just fling a metal rod at hypersonic speeds for much cheaper. Sending that drone out requires a pilot, mantience crew, a multi million dollar missile, hangar space, dedicated comms, and a whole plethora of other shit to complete a mission. Oh, and the tungsten rod can't be shot down. I'll take the rod and be done with it.

>>128598216
>>implying we won't have a shot ton of countermeasures in case anything happens
>We're not China. We actually care about safety.

There's only so much you can do to prevent a short with the voltages they're working with. Shit will arc.

>>128598315
One good hit with a round would destabilize it then it would either fragment from the aerodynamic forces on it or it'd miss the target.

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>>128592080
Office of Naval Research released videos from November 2016 of a BAE Railgun test fire and i applaud the US for actually trying to advance technology

>>128598352
you haven't been paying attention?
merkel is breaking up with the US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq0xETavaN0

>>128592349
>not realizing how much faster a rail gun projectile is compared to a missile+added payload
and people make fun of American education

>>128598385
No they don't.

>>128596467
Why would you calculate the fixed cost into it? Economic trades only factor in the variable costs, since one rail gun mount could in theory fire millions of projectiles. the more use it gets the more insiginficant the initial cost becomes

>>128598352
>US goes and dies for ISRAEL

fixed

>>128597360

>and when the missile mysteriously fails for the sake of my shitty argument the whole ship will explode

Did you see my great argument? I claimed your missile will fail so it is a bad investment now.

>>128597965
>EMP trumps railguns and missles.

Unless you have a viable non-nuclear triggered EMP, the pre-cursor to using an EMP is being willing to perform a high-atmosphere nuclear detonation.

Which thankfully, most people aren't willing to do. And If your opponent opens that can of worms, the EMP is the least of the world's concerns...

Ironically, in practice, EMP is narrowly targeted at civilian infrastructure. In the 70s and 80s, the US got very good at EMP-proofing its military systems, and could choose to do so again if EMP threat became a serious concern.

So EMP as they currently exist are ideal for destroying civilian infrastructure, requiring an atmospheric nuke, and are very ineffective when targeting hardened military infrastructure.

Basically, an EMP is one of the worst things you could choose in a modern, conventional, precision battle. You only set off an EMP if you're going all-in, end-of-the-world style.

At that point, all bets are off. Literally nobody knows what the US response would be to that kind of attack.

The thing you are not considering is that military effectiveness is less important than geopolitical reality. The technical effectiveness of an EMP is overruled by the fact that actually setting one off would most likely start a nuclear shooting war.

>>128598570
>autism
>the show

>>128592080
Can our enemies use these too, or do we have this stuff copyrighted?

>>128598111
Tovarish Sakharov disagrees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator

>>128592349
>cheaper, easier to deploy, easier to use, can attack from multiple angles.
>Missiles are cheaper than a chunk of metal
>Missiles are easier to deploy than a gun that fires chunks of metal

Missiles offer versatility but railguns do have several advantages over them, primarily the fact that ECM can't jam their guidance system since they aren't guided and they move at higher velocities than missiles.

Granted as they are today railguns aren't feasible. Power requirements make them impossible to use outside of ships and the high friction heat generated when firing means every third or so shot fuses itself into the barrel while firing.

>>128596467
The projectile is actually only about $50-$100.
It's just a steel rod with a ceramic sabot.
The ceramic sabot costs more.

The $2500 is the energy costs, crew costs, and portion of replacement barrels per shot.

>>128598593
Yes they do.

>Release Date: 4/7/2014 12:02:00 PM
>From Office of Naval Research
>ARLINGTON, Va. (NNS) -- Navy engineers are making final adjustments to a laser weapon prototype that will be the first of its kind to deploy aboard a ship late this summer.
>The prototype, an improved version of the Laser Weapon System (LaWS), will be installed on USS Ponce for at-sea testing in the Persian Gulf, fulfilling plans announced by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert at the 2013 Sea-Air-Space Expo.

>Late this summer
>2014
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80172

>>128598699
Wouldn't a high energy nuclear detonation risk the chance of lighting the atmosphere on fire?

>>128598385
>The US literally has Laser point defense batteries in operation service in its navy

The only publicly-known system is a dinky little laser that can fry speedboats or something. It's like a CROWS with a laser instead of a machine-gun. Hardly a "point-defense system".

>>128593205
>nope it literally can't.
Jamming systems, flare, chaff, CIWS

>>128592080

Im not aware of the exact math but one thing is sure: Electromagnetic coil propelled projectiles will never trump missiles in terms of maximum reach. Its more of a close/mid range thing.

>>128595819
>does it look gimballed?
yes that's the entire point you muppet fuck.
did you also miss the part where the rounds cost 25k compared to millions for a missile?

>>128596541
Mostly this. Due to their inherent power issues in atmosphere, they're primarily meant for relatively low ranges. They do have some particularly interesting potential for defense and for replacing certain weapon systems though. Northrup and Boeing are already saying that they both intend on having some sort of laser weapon on their F/A-XX bids either as replacements for the cannon or as an anti-missile system - it'll be interesting to see what they can come up with for either of those scenarios.

FEL had what the USN called a breakthrough a year or two ago that had them pushing their timetable up for initial field testing by over a year. They're convinced that lasers are the best possible replacement for CIWS and the old 20mms used for close in surface targets as seen by their adoption of a new version of LaWS.

I had a friend that was a WSO on the USS Dewey way back when they were testing out LaWS. He said that it worked well, but it was a pain in the ass to use because they had all types of contractors and brass on board to watch it see how it worked and they all just got in the way.

>>128598790
>>Missiles are cheaper than a chunk of metal

He obviously meant that the entire missile system is cheaper than the entire railgun system.

You don't calculate the cost of a car by adding up what the cup holders cost, and by the same token you can't calculate what a weapon costs by just looking at what it fires. The whole thing has to be considered because in the end you are going to be paying for it.

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>>128598644
>and when the missile mysteriously fails for the sake of my shitty argument the whole ship will explode
They don't pack em full of nitro glycerin you fuck. They don't just explode on their own.

>>128598618
Because you don't have to take half the ship apart to service or replace a missile launcher or the missiles. A Railgun is heavily integrated into the ship's systems and is far larger than just the barrel. See all the shit behind the gun? That's the capacitor bank.

If the railgun shorts out it'll arc and kill anyone touching a bulkhead and it will fry every electrical system in the ship.

>>128598567
who gives a fuck? the jews in control of the western world sure as fuck don't.

they will continue doing what they do.

I also don't see all those americans who live and work here on military bases packing their shit.

>>128598573
>not knowing about hypersonic missiles

read a book nigger

>>128598790
> ECM can't jam their guidance system since they aren't guided
then they're shit.
Guided Bombs will always be better than nonguided bullshit.

>>128592080
>Sick

Metal Gear.

By shooting a warhead instead of launching it, you could target any place in the world and no radar could detect it, evading nuclear war, but also causing extreme damage with immense confusion.

>>128598852
>Wouldn't a high energy nuclear detonation risk the chance of lighting the atmosphere on fire?

No. There have been plenty of atmospheric nuclear tests at this point.

However, total atmospheric burn was a concern raised prior to the very first hydrogen bomb test. The scientists weren't sure how far the atmospheric burn would extend. They set off the bomb anyway. Yay Science!

>>128598954
There's been advances since then. The more modern types of Lasers use two beams, one that's basically a hollow Cylinder at a lower temperature, and then a second though the cylinder which is actually the weapon. The outer laser basically burns away all the air and evaporates all the moisture in the atmosphere, giving a massive amount of additional range and power to the inner laser by creating a near-vacuum within its cylinder.

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When do we get pic related??

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>>128597945
>2.45 GHz ~ 12 cm wavelength... no opacity to atmosphere

There is a reason we use long wavelengths for satellite communication. It's almost as if the dielectric constant changes depending on wavelength.

>>128599227
2028

>>128596749
It's truly fascinating how personal the anti-railgun argument is to you

>>128599105
>Because you don't have to take half the ship apart to service or replace a missile launcher
>If the railgun shorts out it'll arc and kill anyone touching a bulkhead and it will fry every electrical system in the ship.

Stop.

>>128598761
>range: 10 meters per gigawatt
fucking lol.

>>128598835
This isn't an anime. Prototype does not equal in service or practical.

>>128598950
>leaves out the cost of the gun and its systems.
Uh huh.

>>128593031
>you will never have a jlaw qt archer gf in a dystopian setting
:(

>>128599312
move it up your ass.

Laser technology and Hypersonic Missiles is the future.

>>128598352
Yeah, we're backing out of Article 5.
check the news, Hans.

You're on your own now. No more gibs.

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>>128599312
He probably got blown up by a few missles before he went to Germany its just cause he has had a first hand account of them.

>>128592984
The railgun is actually cheaper and easier to operate while getting similar results, I thought you guys were about efficiency? You just jealous

Velocitas Eradico

>>128595460
agree. all i need is a good RPG and the guiding winds of Allah. Bismillah!

>>128599256
You're not going to burn anything at that frequency either.

>>128599340
>my fee-fees!

>>128597386

We can probably be pretty precise with them. Drones can provide real time data for maximum calibration and accuracy. With resistance and gravity on a metal slug is pretty easy to model. Also if its significantly cheaper fuck the damage.

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>>128599105
>if a rail gun shorts out it'll arc and kill anyone touching a bulkhead and it will fry every electrical system on the ship
A-are you retarded?

>>128599408
>cost of the gun
Technology doesn't get cheaper as time goes on or anything.
Why don't you argue that the catapult is more effective than the cannon because it can hit from more angles and rocks are free, retard?

>>128599408
>durrrr
>what is investment?

>>128599125
>I also don't see all those americans who live and work here on military bases packing their shit.
pretty soon you're gonna see them packing your shit in
again

>>128599500
Something like that.Or jealous because burgers have now the most overengineered thing since the tiger.

>>128599256

Im taking electricomagnetics. Give me the formula that explains that. That drop off is amazing.

>>128599580
>capacitor goes
>somehow electrocutes everyone on the ship

k, keep me posted

>>128599227
>in a series where a nanomachine driven vampire exists, they still take the railgun off the robot dinosaur and put it on a boat because it is a terribly impractical idea
never ever

>>128598805
>The projectile is actually only about $50-$100
this is why you're a neet

>>128599222
Of course there have been advances. I was merely agreeing that the biggest problem with lasers is still atmospheric defraction and LOS limits.

>>128599497
nah you never will. you burgers need our clay for your bases.

>>128599537
no you bring a ship, this ship could also house missiles and is probably part of a carrier group.
its easier, cheaper and better in every way.

why even bother with railgays?

>>128599664
nah they will go and die in another jew war while I continue eating pizza

>>128595630
>and some durka with a .50 cal could shoot it down.

YOU CANT EVEN SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY FLY SO HIGH YOU FUCKING, BRITBONGISH

M
O
N
G

>>128599659
>>128599661
>>128599720

People that are mad they don't know anything.

>>128599219
>However, total atmospheric burn was a concern raised prior to the very first hydrogen bomb test. The scientists weren't sure how far the atmospheric burn would extend. They set off the bomb anyway. Yay Science!

1) No, it was the first nuclear test, not the first hydrogen bomb.

2) Not really, it was more like there were a couple screwballs passing the idea around as a joke. The first nuke test went more or less exactly as predicted. The science behind how a nuke works and why is very simple and was clearly understood by the people working on it.

>>128599906
Had "pizza" in Germany while I was there.
Shit's awful.

>>128599486
Railguns ARE hypersonic missiles, but cheaper, by several orders of magnitude.

>>128599979
Not an argument.

>>128599659
It's like those people that tried to complain that cannons should be omitted from ships all together in the 70s because you still had to replace the barrel after a few hundred shots.

>>128599979
keep me posted

>>128600034
>implying

>>128600065
>super small payload
>not as precise as a drone with a Hellfire or Brimstone

confirmed for Dreck.

>>128600065
this
germ-tard doesn't understand that "missile" is synonymous with "projectile"

>>128600065
He doesn't know what a missile is. Shhhh. Let his brain implode on itself.

>>128599580
There is a field known as microwave sintering which would disagree with you. Not trying to dis your rail gun love. Rail guns will be the only thing in the future that can take out a laser/maser system. But lasers are a much cheaper air defense system.

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>>128600160
>Missles r r0ckits guise

Kill yourself

>>128600347
the niche is already filled you tard

why use some shitty railturd when you already have everything that gets the job done even better?

YOU are the retard here.

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>>128600438
This is the worst troll I've ever seen. He's too committed into one thread.

>mfw mohammads can't even troll right

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>german trying to school americans on weapons of mass destruction
>couldn't even gas a few million kike civilians
Wew!

>>128600438
>buy my German manufactured missles that cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars, they work great!
>there's absolutely no need to develop a more efficient and less expensive weapon that delivers the same if not better result
K

>>128600596
This

>>128592080
why would you put these on boats, modern missiles can destroy any ship 100% guaranteed in minutes

>>128600084
>>128600148

What's the efficiency? Do you happen to know? How many MJ of heat per shot? Why do they use tungsten for the rails again? How many amps?

>>128594412

Not the Zumwalt in particular, but it will be the basis for the next generation of destroyers.

Having said that, expect to see Burkes as the mainstay for at least 15 to 20 years.

>>128600846
Missles can always be countered and these rail guns are a new counter

>>128600336
microwave sintering requires the sample to be delivered in powders with a particle size around the penetration depth of microwaves in the particular material.

Nice try.

>>128600863
>tungsten
Shit goes so fast it burns.Knowing this it would be bad idea to fire depleted uranium rods with it.After depleted uranium the hardest stuff is tungsten.Thats why.

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Which does more damage per shot? Missle or rail gun?

Are either more powerful than the damage done by pic related?

>>128600875
I was reading that they're trying to develop better power generators or something of that sort, so that they could outfit Burke class ships with rail guns

>>128600658
Raytheon and Boeing are American Companys you braindead retard.

>>128600604
the Holocaust didn't happen you shillnigger

>>128600596
stop crying like a cunt, you know i'm right.

The real weapon of the future are tungsten rods come hurling from space.

>>128601074
No it's because tungsten is the only thing that can handle the ~250MJ of heat that each shot puts into the system when it fires. 10% efficiency of electricity - kinetic energy. Guess where the waste heat goes?

Same issue as lasers in that regard.

>>128592080
Fookin laser sights

>>128601144
>GERMan doesn't understand how a globalized economy works
Dumb cunt, you really don't think Germany contributes to the production of electrical/guidance systems?

>>128601179
WRONG

>what is the Outer Space Treaty from 1967

read a book nigger

>>128601144
>the Holocaust didn't happen you shillnigger
That what I said, you historic failure of a legacy.

>>128601301
If the firing would not release heat you still would need to use tungsten instead of depleted uranium because the round is practically on fire all the way to the target.

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>>128601332
For once the German is actually right

>>128601142
>I was reading that they're trying to develop better power generators or something of that sort
you mean a battery? I don't know if smaller vessels will have railguns because the mother fuckers are huge

>>128600956
I wouldn't call them a counter because they can fail, but yeah it can be used to shoot down a supersonic missile

>>128601329
No it is by law that manufacturing be done in the US for US arms.

>>128601471
I'm always right, only the retards don't understand it.

>>128601458
The rails are tungsten. I know the projectile also is but i'm talking about the rails. They get the most heat by far. Anything else would melt including depleted uranium.

>>128601332
>burgers
>keeping withing treatys
Thats a nice joke you have there.

>>128597360
>And not hit a goddamn thing because it can't fire rapidly.

It doesn't have to, you mong. Projectiles are so fast they hit the target before it can react.

Railgun projectiles are practically undodgable. Once it locks on and fires, all you can do is count the times you wanked as your life flashes in front of your eyes.

>>128601107
Missile can cause more damage.

Railgun can cause <= (missile) damage, but >= (missile) accuracy/distance/penetration/cheaper production.
Meaning the rail gun can kill a Jew in his Gold/Steel underground fortress at a few shekels cost, while the missile can't even scrape the first layer off.

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>>128601582
>>128601329
so who is the dumb cunt now eh?

yep its this fat fuck untermensch >>128601329

>>128601636
We're the only ones that ever pay in treaties.

>>128592349
Completely wrong except for the multiple angles part which won't usually matter if you don't care about collateral damage.
You know nothing you stupid nigger.

>>128601332
Dosent that only apply to weapons of mass destruction? I'm not shure but i dont think this qualifies.

>>128601702
And all the missile has to do is jank while in cruise stage. Nothing you can do then.

>>128601630
Oh, i didtn know that.I meant the round that gets fired.Yes.And having melting depleted uranium inside your barrel is not something any soldier wan to experience.But depleted uranium would do more damage as its denser than tungsten.

>>128601788
Rods from god are WMD's. But we invented the ICBM to replace them.

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>>128601762
Nope I'm right with every post.

go read a book nigger, seriously

>>128601788
it prohibits all kinds of weapons in space
I already told you to read a book dumb nigger

>>128601730
Dont tell me you dont have nukes and kinetic kill sattelites in space about my head because i dont believe you for any second.

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>>128601332
>eternal anglos
>treaty
Take this SARS blanket and bottle of burbon to keep you warm this winter chief.

>>128592720
Lasers couldn't do shit against a railgun ammunition though, short of vaporizing it. With a missile you just need to heat up it's explosive payload.

>>128596861
Nigga thats an Iskander and they are fucking insane slav magic

>>128592720
>But Missile will always be the best Attack weapon.

Yeah and the broadsword was revolutionary and nothing could top it.

>>128593205
Fuck you Hans, you contrarian mother fucker. How many times do you have to be proven wrong?

>>128601849
That extreme amount of heat greatly limits the fire rate and the MTBF of the railgun. It's not just the rails that get heated either, The wires and shit also have a chance to melt and then the giga amps get loose.

>>128595819
>cant track fast enough
how does it feel to have no clue about modern technology

>>128602164
Thats why railguns are the ultimate space weapon.

>>128595293
Wasnt this in a GI Joe movie?

>>128601940
It's a waste of resources compared to the ICBM.

That's why we stopped going to the moon.

>>128602126
Ablative coatings make that nigh impossible.

>>128602153
Everyone knows the Spear is the greatest melee weapon.

>>128595293

I expect them to be more of a bunker buster.

>>128598352
"Those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."
Faggot.

>>128601936
i don't get why this guy isn't drowning in pussy

>>128602278
No missiles are because missiles can track a moving target and projectiles cannot.

>>128602250
Show me the gimbal.

>>128601515
>battery
Sort of, like a more efficient power source for smaller ships (Burke class) so they could actually power a rail gun

>>128602390
It's not about the weapon, it's about the handler.

>>128602278
heat doesn't really dissipate in the vacuum of space

>>128592572
pretty fuckin sick. is it better for home defense than iron dome?

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>>128602126
what railgun would the US need to counter?

The chinese nonexistant one or the nonexistant russian one?

Hypersonic missile spam is what they will do and this can only be stopped by Lasers and not by Homosexual Gayguns.

>>128602427
and the smart guy makes the retards go die for him in jewish made up conflicts while he continues to post the disfigured murrican faces to stirr shit up with amerishits on anonymous imageboards.

>>128602557
I would say so, has wicked range

>>128602516
Yeah and a person good with a spear is going to wreck a person good with a broadsword.

>>128595597
pffft. we've already given it to Israel, and they'll be selling to the Chinese tomorrow.

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>>128602569
>countering
Who said anything about countering? This is about holding global hegemony on military tech you dolt

>>128602779
are you too stupid to see that I replied to the leaf nigger?

first time on the chans or what?

>>128592080
Rail guns are almost as dangerous as staged news pieces https://mobile.twitter.com/markantro/status/871419204846669825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2017%2F06%2Fshock-video-cnn-creates-fakenews-london-following-terror-attacks-stages-anti-isis-muslim-protesters%2F

>>128595460
I really want a pizza

>>128596749
>Laser is the Future, deal with it Railgun fanboy & homo

he isn't wrong about lasers per se, he's just forgetting that we're leading on that front too.

why do you think the US invested so much into "Inertial confinement fusion" with lasers? everybody says it's a stupid way to achieve fusion, and all the physicist working on it know that. it's just a thinly veiled way to use civvy DOE funds to run military laser research off-books.

>>128601834
For now.
They're too slow and as missile defense tech improves they will become nearly useless.
Better to start developing better railguns.
>>128601936
Apparently not.

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>Rail guns
>The future

>>128592873
With ~60 Megajoules of force behind it. Don't they use Tungsten for the "ammo" as well?

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>>128602942
>Lazers wouldn't do anything against a rail gun
>What rail gun would the U.S need to counter

>>128603146
Lasers are only useful on softer targets.

>>128602390
Oh sure you could make the missiles less vulnerable, but point is I can't see a situation where a railgun ammunition wouldn't be harder to stop than a missile if they both have the same defensive measures (like you said for instance, ablative coating).

>>128602569
It's not a response or counter to chinese or russian weapons you morons a railgun is an offensive weapon. Now they'd have the upper hand with a projectile that can't be stopped vs projectiles that will be stopped.

Current issue is plasma sheathing in nonexoatmo regimes.
This precludes seeker package usage and forces reliance on inertics.
Further, the elasticity of the materials are shot, well past the plastic regime and far more into questioning the sos for information transfer to prevent endoenergetic anomolies.

Upside, generation, manipulation, and transfer mechanisms have exceeded lifetime demands.
Storage is still an issue, but it looks like the acceptability window will change instead.

>>128601332
>what is the Outer Space Treaty from 1967
Pointless bullshit.
Why follow it?
Who's gonna stop us?

>>128602942
He's still right and his response is still applicable you butthurt unterkraut

>>128603382
>implying anyone could stop a hypersonic missile spam or several ICBMs qwith decoy warheads

nigga please
the only weapon which could do that is a laser weapon.
Railguns are useless until they maybe manage them to mount them on a tank or something.

but then they won't be used for any kind of bombardment.

>>128602494
sure will make you a fance paint drawing. What is the fastest missile out there?

>>128603448
>russians, chinese and poo in loos start building nuke delivery systems in geostationary orbit pointing at the US.

ohoh how could this happen?

>>128603575
3 mach

>>128603568
We've already stopped an ICBM with decoys.
We can scale up.
Get with the times. US military tech is going to see another golden age soon.

With a 700k pricetag for one bullet i wonder how many of these things you're gonna be shooting.
Spolier: not many.
Also, how is the Zumwalt doing? You know, that ugly,stupidly expensive new destroyer that was supposed to have one of those railguns but doesn't?
That one ship that costs like 4 Arleigh Burke class ships but isnt as capable?
That one, how is my Zum-Zum doing?

>>128603684
They could start now.
As long as our spy sats don't notice them.

>>128603684
Because some damn Krauts couldn't take their fucking poison pill.

>>128603729
>We've already stopped an ICBM with decoys.
>implying thats hard when you already know where its headed and when it comes etc. and when its only ONE warhead

when you burgers stop a whole barrage, like 4000+ MIRVs raining down on your shitholes, then I would say you can intercept them.

>>128603782
Missiles are similarly expensive.

>>128603782
>With a 700k pricetag for one bullet i wonder how many of these things you're gonna be shooting.
>$25k/per projectile
shitaly strikes again

>>128603782
>700k
25k

>>128603885
>denial
Keep crying mohamed. The USA is an advanced nation and all others are spearchuckers in comparison.

>>128595982
Is Germany even allowed to have a military anymore?

>>128603568
That would be all out nuclear war. It's ok at this point id be surprised if you would come up with a response that is half-competent.

>>128592080
I worked on that ship (the one testing the railgun and lasers, not the zummy class ddg/cruiser/ship class dysphoria boat you allude to)

the AGS on the zummwalt is not exactly a rail gun like the one pictured
a lot of people really don't realize the jump in technology with some of the new US naval technology
even the ddg1k is pretty amazing, other than roll issues due to the tumblehome hull. firepower like a battleship with 8x the range, 1/50th of the crew, radar signature of a little fishing boat

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ITT larping

You burgers can't even defeat ISIS, a bunch of sand niggers with outdated guns and trucks

>>128603251
at current useful wavelengths, yes. most chemical lasers emit in the IR region, which has it's greatest utility against "softer" targets.

getting up towards UV wavelengths, and with vast improvements in linewidth for fiber lasers to improve coherence length, lasers will be anti-hard target within the next couple of decades.

that being said, I'm still on board with rail-guns. people who think they are intended to be ballistic-only are fucking nuts. it's no coincidence we're testing small format hyper-sonic airframes and scram-jets via the X-progam in the same time-frame as deploying a rail-gun on ship.

Not to mention DARPA has successfully tested guided supersonic munitions down to .50 cal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX8Z2MDYX3g

>>128603568
Lasers do not make good point defense because you'd need to use mirrors in order to have the laser driver power a laser turret, and you're limited by how fast you can dump the stupid amounts of waste heat because lasers are like 20% efficient at best.

>>128592572

7 times the speed of sound... 2.4km / second

holy fucking shit that's completely insane.

i'd pay good money to see a pig shot with one of those in slowmo. does it just explode into thin red mist? jesus what a fascinating piece of tech.

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>>128603990
>http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23738/uss-zumwalt-ammo-too-expensive/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>128604034
its a fact, otherwise MAD concept wouldn't exist anymore, but it does.
which means I'm in the right here.

>>128604053
what do I need it for?
I got yours.

come and die some more for me in afghanistan, or just get crippled.
like pic related.

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>>128592080
How woulda railgun fare after exposure to a wide dispersal EMP device?

>>128602313
Search 'Rods from god'

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Soon...

>>128604396
Give it a few years.
>>128604325
Beautiful to think of.
Need to keep that tech from the rest of the world.

>>128604289
You're mistaken. They could, but their zionist overlords don't want them too.

>>128604536
Stop it Croatia. My dick can only get so hard.

>>128604289
>You burgers can't even defeat ISIS

that's because we're secretly funding them, why haven;t people here gotten the memo on that

>>128598240
And you can see them coming.

>>128604289

We're not meant to win those wars. The point is to drag on forever and use up money.

>>128604499
>How woulda railgun fare after exposure to a wide dispersal EMP device?
If it's on a ship in the water, more than likely unaffected

>>128592080
The US Navy will be slightly more unstoppable. Not like anyone could touch us before the meme guns, anyway.

>>128603692
which model is it? How big is it roughly? What would the flight be for such a missile?

>>128604214
>I worked on that ship
Proof?

When do you expect the railgun to be employed mainstream throughout the navy?

>>128592080
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/17/lockheed-martin-completes-new-battle-laser-for-us-military.html

>>128600956
a railgun could never hope to shoot a missile down, the barrel of it would have to be moving at supersonic speeds to accurately hit the missile. It's just a needless expense on a sitting duck ship.

>>128604379

Rockets go 11km/s on average. Get on my level.

>>128602524
>what is infrared radiation
>>128602494
Missiles are fucking big compared to kk round.
>>128602390
Thats not why you stopped going to the Moon.

>>128604289
CIA=ISIS

>>128604862
Because tracking a missile is done by following the missile with the barrel and not calculating a point in the trajectory of the missile where tracking is no factor.

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>>128592349
>Missiles > Railguns

>>128604499
It would fry all the electrical systems on the ship. You can't harden electronics for that kind of moving electric field.

>>128592080
>Rail Guns
I can't believe I've been reduced to this...
Some anon want to redpill me on what a rail gun is how it works and why it's a game changer. I never heard of this weapon when I was in.

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>>128592080
BAE systems built them

BRITISH
AEROSPACE
ENGINEERING

>>128592349
This Kraut was in the last thread I remember about railguns. He really hate railguns.

>>128604325
>Not to mention DARPA has successfully tested guided supersonic munitions down to .50 cal.
>apples and oranges
I've no idea how you would guide a brick flying 7x faster than the speed of sound

>>128604589
>Need to keep that tech from the rest of the world.
It's not some secret how it works

>>128604734
awww shiiiiet you have faster ones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos-II

No idea if it's still being developed, but otherwise I thought that the BrahMos-I? was the fastest

>>128605090
>>what is infrared radiation
I don't know what you're on about, I'm just saying that in space there is nothing, if you went into space w/o a suit, you wouldn't freeze instantaneously to death.

>>128605283
and you can't calculate ICBM MIRV warhead flightpaths anyway since the latest models can maneuver around.

>>128603990

Got confused with the 155mm guided shells.
Still, the Zumwalt is a waste of money.
>>128603973
Also,being this mad about being a low tier slavic subhuman.
>Aww

>>128605361
Read the thread

>>128605302
see
>>128604715

dont know who to believe

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>>128593205
Nice shitposting, Kraut.

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>>128605090
>what is infrared radiation
Really quite inefficient compared to convection so you'll need giant radiators that are piss-easy to pick off if you extend them in combat. Pic related.

>Missiles are fucking big compared to kk round.
Which means they can absorb more heat.

>Thats not why you stopped going to the Moon.
Sure as fuck is.