Paganism is a low-energy meme

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>>128584420
So, when you think you practice ancient paganism you actually practice a modern crypto-cult with of course some elements from paganism, but since they are too few, some elements from christianity, some elements purely invented by crazy bored occultist of the two last century. It's LARPing and counter-initiation. Paganism is dead 2000 years ago. Neo-paganism isn't paganism. Christianity is now dying, in the same way Paganism was dying 2000 years ago, allowing Christianity and the Church to share their metaphysical view of the world, answering the lack of religiosity. Proof of said decadance can be seen in Rome, in Gauls. For instance, it's not Christians but Pagan Romans who killed all the druids of the Gauls, considering they were dangerous to their power. Said druids were either killed or either forbiden from exercing a sacerdotal function. Some of them actually used the emerging of Christianity to take back those functions, which is why there is such a fusion between paganism and christianity in France, England and Ireland ( The story of the Graal, St. Patrick ... ).

But now, 2000 years after the decline of paganism and in the years of the decline of christianity, you will not revive it artificially. You will only create a dumb, retarded, post-modern religion full of modern elements ( the fascination for evolution, for genes, for physical reality we can see in modern paganism, in Varg for instance, is really showing that, it's pure materialist thought, obsessed by the physical realm and not the metaphysical one, ancient pagans were interested by the purification of their souls, not by IQ points).

A new religion will emerge on the ruins of dying Christianity, using some elements of it and some other elements, such as Christianity emerged on the ruins of dying Paganism. It's Hegelian dialecticts in movement. Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis. Your retarded movements will disappeared because they're outside of historical and metaphysical reality.

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>>128584521
The most funny thing is the arguments used by neo-pagans to defend their ´religion', who are almost always crypto-christians. The other day, some retard made a thread defending the fact that to the contrary of bad semitic religions, paganism never did sacrifices.

It saids it all really. Sacrifices have been a common religious act in most cultures of the word, a way to pay the debt humans have toward the divine." You gived us life, we will give you lives " could be a generic explanation of sacrifice, wether it is in proto-judaic tradition, in mayan ones, but even in celtic or roman use of the sacrifices. Actually, even Christianity supress sacrifice by sacrice, if sacrifice is abolished in Christianity, it's because God itself have sacrificiated himself on the cross, and by this final sacrifice, abolished the necessecity of sacrifice itself. But except from this theology, most religions, european or not, gives a huge importance to sacrifice, as a way to bringing closer the divine and the earth, through paying the debt of the latter to the first.

Actually, some serious pagan, like Evola, defend it, and defend the necessecity of sacrifice. But since most pagans are exactly what I described, neo-christians larping as a neo-pagans, they can only try to make their idealized vision of paganism looks good. Meaning looks like what they judge good. Meaning what Christianity defended as good during the last 2000 years.

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>>128584707
That hate of Christianity, which is fueled by the fact that despise all their attempts, they manage to be nothing more than neo-christians, is even more ridiculous when they try to claim than christian ethos is opposed to pagan one, and a factor of degeneration.

In truth, not only Christianism integrate some pagan elements, but it also renovate it. The gospels and the works of Paul is basically what allowed the birth of the modern individual. Most of the pagan or even semitic religion are tribal and promote a communal form of union to the divine. The Incarnation, and the real presence of Christ, with which you can have a personal relationship to it, is mostly what allows the development of modern subjectivity, through Paul, Pascal and then Kierkegaard for instance.

The dogma of ' God walking on earth and dying under our eyes ", madness for the greeks, blasphemy for the jews, that christic message was a Stone of renewal of the metaphysics that were slowly dying in Europe through decadent roman influence ( i'm talking about the decadence of the roman empire through exotic and formalist, sol invictus, religion, not the original greco-roman cults).

Denying the positive affect of christianity is totally dishonest, you can see it in every work of litterature, every gothic cathedral, every work of art describing the sufferings and the glory of Jesus-Christ. It isn't only the production of the white genius, it's the expression of the christian message through the white genius. To have a St Thomas of Aquinas, you needed the bible and aristotle, not one without the other.

Trying to revive the cadaver of paganism, which died for millennia and is nothing but ashes, is retarded and not fulfilling. This tentation only exist because Christianity is dying and we need to ' feel the gap'. We are at the end of a religious period. A new form of metaphysic expression will come, and revive our civilization, like Christianity did, but reviving corpse aren't a solution.

>>128584420
religion is a low-brain meme desu

>>128585284
No.

There is no civilization without religion.

Only meme sectarian cultist are low-brained.

>>128584420
Why do you love jews so much?

>>128585940
Why aren't you able to read and answer in a coherent way, too autistic ?

>>128584420
D&C thread, saged

>>128586096
I'm not unable, I'm unwilling. Judging by the pictures it'd be a waste of time.

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>>128584420
Deist Pagan here.

You might describe it as "Larping"; I don't think paganism and other religions are mutually exclusive. In Japan, for example, there are many Buddhists who also adhere to Shintoism.

For me, it's not about the mythology, but the attitudes towards nature. I see all religion as a byproduct of the society which they come from; and I see religious practice as a way to return to that type of society.

I see myself almost believing nothing in terms of mythology; again, it's not about the mythology but the reverence of what those early peoples personified as the sky (Tyr), thunder (Thor), etc. Those early peoples of Europe personified the natural forces of the Earth, and they lived with the belief that those forces are just as imperfect as we are, that our reverence of the natural forces shouldn't be a consequence of us living on Earth, but that our reverence should be out of trust, because honour is based on trust. It's about learning how to trust in the natural forces. Its about giving validation to the spirits of the Earth.

We spend our whole lives asking for validation, by wearing gold necklaces, pretty clothing, and saying a lot of garbage. We've all forgotten what it means to have honour, because we don't validate people, only ourselves. Paganism is a structural return to an honour-based society rather than a legal one.

Good one OP.
I was interested in it but never could take it serious for some of the reasons you explained.
Some people say Islam is crashing down too even though it doesnt looks like it.

>>128586449
The problem is that religion, as a way of connecting an individual or a community to higher, transcendant realms isn't and shouldn't be only a philosophy that serves a community to interpret nature. Before all, it is a cosmogony that describe the surnatural, and that explain the natural realm by the surnatural one. If there is no real connect to the surnatural, then it is a dead form. You follow a religion if you are touched by the surnatural truth it tells.


If religion is just a way to forge a better society, then you already admits that religion and cult interest yourself only for the positive effects it can have and that you don't place it in the center of your system. This is a pure testimony of modern and utilitarian thought, while religion is supposed to deal with absolute truth and in the case of paganism, eternal tradition. In the case of druidism for Instance, most of the texts we had did insist that there was a chain of initiation between druids, sharing the sacred knoweldge generation after generation. If the chain is broked, the religion died, and you can't recreate it artificially, you will then create a modern ideology, not a religion.

Utilitarist thought doesn't work in those situations. See for Maurras, our french ideologue who was deeply agnostic, but believed that Catholicism was the best way to manage society and to make it better, no matter if we believed in God ar all. His movement died; and was even despised by the pope, because it was inauthentic.

If you think you can create a religion for ulititarian thought, you are already living to a modern mindset, and the things will create, even if they seems to temporally solves the problems, will inevitably leads to the same degeneracy you're fighting against. Peoples lives to serve the Truth. The truth isn't here to serve people. If you're thinking the opposite, you're already are attached to a hedonistic morality that will inevitably leads to the downfall of civilization.

>worship muh ancestors
>not knowing for a 1500 years they were mostly Christian
>not being thankful for the Renaissance
>not being thankful for the unity of Europe under one God to defend from the Islamic Jihadist that were coming in from the Mediterranean and the east.

>>128586920
It is crashing down. It is actually crashing down the same way Christianity did. When in the XIXth century, all the temporal powers were anti-christian, when all the ideology, the modern philosophism slowly attacked Christianity, the Church had a immunitary reaction, that consist to reject tottaly modernity, to be as reactionnary that possible, see for instance that it's at that era that the dogma according to which the pope is always right on dogmatic issue appeared, it's at that era that the pope writted its Syllabus against modern heresies. In other words, since the Church feeled attacked by philosophical new dogmas and hostile temporal powers, it radicalized itself in the most brutal way, to fight against modernism. XIXth century Catholicism was more intolerant and radical then middle-ages one, precisely because it feel itself threatened by another modernist dogma, that in the end, win, we just have to look at modern-days Church.

In the same way, while more and more muslims adopt the liberal dogma due to westernization, when Islam is more and more liberalized around the world, it react in the same way, in a caricatural, violent and reactionnary way because it feel threatened. It's interesting, for instance, to see that the country that export the more terrorist and that fill the ranks of ISIS in majority, Tunisia, is actually one of the most liberal one, abortion is allowed, no veil, total westernized nation. It's where Islam feels the most threatened that it produce the most radicalize people. But it's just a caricatural reaction, such as XIXth Carholicism why, if it's so violent, it's because the modern world have already won. Another form of religiosity will appeared on the ashes of that modern world though. But when ? I don't know.

>>128584420
I bet you're just doing this because your shitty brown eyes prevents you from being a White Pagan

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>>128588985
One of them is blue tho.

>>128584420
I thought hyperborea was real? Theres a map from 16xx year wirh hypeborea written on it, its east of finland.

>>128587684
Big difference.

>Society begat customs; customs begat religious ideology; religious ideology begat mythology.
Mythology is an ideological construct created by superstitious ancients; their religious ideology is a byproduct of their customs and traditions, the cultural representations of the society which they live in.

For me, it's not about larping or mythology. I don't consider myself a pagan out of utility. It's a reflection of who I am right now.

I believe in a primordial sense of honour, dignity, morality, and communication; not out of utility or for any purpose, but because every mammal has it, and that we shouldn't let it become vestigial. The hunter gatherer societies were in-tune with these senses. Their religion was a byproduct and reflection of how their society reacted with the environment.

I believe in the structural paganism, the underlying hunter-gatherer ideology; I just don't believe in the mythology.

This makes me different from a Christian who only converts people because Christianity "makes them a better or more progressive person".

The difference is that I'm not scared of hellfire; I'm not threatened by the church. I'm believing of my own free will, in these ideas, because they make me happier.

>>128590079
The continent is evoked in greek mythology as a land populated by magicians and other things. We don't have particular geological proof of such a country, but most experts think either of it as an invention, or maybe that it was Groenland with some geographical confusion from greek authors.

But The doctrine that made of Hyperborea ( or Thulë ) the secret and ancient homeland of aryans was invented by Blatavsky in the XIXth century in his book ´ Isis ' , and then spreaded by german esoterist as an eternal pagan dogma, of the ancient lands which the whites will find back one day. Which is really funny because it's obviously inspired by the fascination the jews had for Israel as the ancient land of hebrews.

Say OP, what do you think of this, it's by Spengler

>In Russia it (communism) will be replaced by some new form of tsarism, the only possible system for a people living under such conditions. Most probably this tsarism will resemble the Prussian socialistic system more closely than capitalist parliamentarism. Yet the future of the unconscious forces of Russia lies not in the solution of political and social quandaries but in the imminent birth of a new religion, the third to emerge from the matrix of Christianity, just as Germanic-Western culture unconsciously conceived the second form of Christianity around 100 A.D. Dostoyevsky is one of the prophets of this new faith; it is as yet nameless, but it has already begun to enter with quiet, infinitely tender power.

>For us citizens of the Western world, religion is finished. In our urban souls what was once true religiosity has long since been intellectualized to "problematics." The Church reached its fulfillment at the Council of Trent. Puritanism has turned into capitalism, and Pietism is now socialism. The Anglo-American sects represent merely the nervous businessman’s need for theological pastimes. There is no more repulsive spectacle than the attempted of certain Protestant groups to revivify the cadaver of religion by smearing it with bolshevist offal. The same thing has been tried with occultism and theosophy. And nothing is more deceptive than the hope that the future religion of Russian can stimulate a revival of religion in the West. There should no longer be any misunderstanding: with its hatred of state, science, and art, Russian nihilism is also directed against Rome and Wittenberg, whose spirit is present in all forms of Western culture and thus an integral part of what this nihilism aims to destroy. Russia will push this development aside and link up once again, by way of Byzantium

>>128584420
Literally barely anyone in America is pagan. Fix your picture retard

>>128590079
Karelia?

>>128584420

There's probably more paganism interwoven into Christianity than any of the half tellings they actually follow. Food for thought.

>>128590463
I understand more your position. Though, we disagree on the main axiom, that is that is society that create a religious idea due to social factors, and not Religious idea that create and unify communities.

I think, that all societies came from a primordial religious idea. The hebrews become the hebrews when they are unified around a first tribal, then universal God that tell them who they are ( twelve tribes ) , what they should follow ( ten commands ), who is their father ( Him ) and what is their land ( Israel ). All those religious ideas is what forged their social identity, their society. In the same ways it's the Vedic hymns that unified India, the Quran that made the arabs into a people, the Holy Bible and the Church that made Christendom and Europe a unified reality. Religious ideas is what bring together people and allow them to have a link between them, through their commune link to the divine. For me, it's that link and that need that is absolute and necessary, hence my critic of neo-paganism because as a modern religion based on modern axioms, it can't manage to establish that link.

But that kind of debate is without end, and you know like me since you look educated on those subjects me that there are constant debates about structuralist and perenialist vision of societies and religious dogmas, so we will not manage to answer this question together on a anonymous board.

But let put that aside, even taking your axiom, that is religion as a product of social conditions, I don't see how paganism, and more than that paganism of hunter-gatherers, can be valid in a post-modern world when the conditions of living doesn't call for the same set of values. Social solidarity through the respect of common honnour rules who was needed for the survival of the group, doesn't seem necessary in a world when there is no fight for survival and thus not notion of the group anymore. I understand your point on an individual level, but not collectively.

>>128591918
Mitigated. I share Spengler view of the decadence of the modern world, but not its impermeability of the cultures neither its total determinism. European christianity isn't entiely a german-western invention but have other sources as well. I think that religion is going ahead of cultures, because they deal with the Truth and not entirely with cultural contigences. So, History isn't entirely cyclic and determined. I think that a new religion can, and will emerge and revive the Western World, and not neccesarly that we will end in a final Imperialist stage before dying. Because the need for the truth is stronger than cultural contingences, anew religion will certainly emerge from the center of the modern world and from its ashes, from where it sends its ideology to the whole world. I wouldn't be surprised if the new religion emerge somewhere between L.A. and Berkeley, for instance. The question isn't if that will happen, but when imo.

Concerning Russia, as usual, it's spot on on the new tsarism. The guy predicted Putin 50 years before. Tho, I don't really see how Dostoievski could be the father of the new religion. From what I've read he's more of a depressed traditional orthodox than anything else. Tolstoy, as a figure of the existential Christian without churches seems a more important figure in that matter.

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>>128584521
>>128584707
>>128584904
Interesting analysis, though I disagree on "christianity is dying" subject. But, lets say that it does, what is that "new religion" emerging that you said, in your opinion?

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Ok folks, I can't decide between Christianity and Paganism. I'll list pros and cons below.

>Christianity
- based Orthodox
- muh saviors of Europe
- Isn't LARPing (at least for me)
- niggers are welcome
- cucked
- gay women bishops
- Came from Jews

>Pagans
- religion of ancestors
- feels "right"
- stronger and ethnic religion
- wiccans
- LARPers
- gay faggots make up most of the religion

Please send help

>>128584904
Christianity cannot revive our culture.
Because when Jesus comes back, we will all be judged, along with the dead

>>128596095
How could i know ? It's like if you asked a roman citizen in -50BC who were witnessing the decline of Paganism what will be the new religion. I can't tell you.

If i did that analysis, it's because I think that peoples are moved by truth, and by a transcendant link to the divine. With times the original link made by the prophets is getting obscured by contingences. People suffer from this, because people are made to connect to truth and to superior realms. A religious event happen, it didn't invalidate the religiosity of the past, but it allows us the understand it better and to go further in our connection with the divine. People are regenerated by this event and a new religiosity emerge, reviving the old one. Christ didn't supress the old testament and its laws, it didn't supress the greek philosophy and rational link to the divine. His revelation integrate those two spheres and go further than them. Given our current situation, where I think that Chrisianity is slowly being attacked by modernist hedonistic worldview, either a new religious form integrating christian elements will take place, either Christianism was the final religious form and then it means we are at the end of times and its second coming is near. I'm perfectly aware that my interpretarion is heretic for a christian, because it pretend something will replace Christianity, but it's what I'm understanding when looking at history and philosophy honnestly. Maybe I'm wrong, I will actually go to a monastery for two weeks soon, a friend invented me to do a retreat, maybe that will make me change of ideas.

>>128596845
Choose the one that you can actually belive in. If you choose based on which one is the most "based" or the on you will "save the white race", then you're basicelly just LARPing.

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>>128584420
>Paganism mythologies and religiosity was respectable when it was practiced. But it was an oral culture, and the truth is that we don't know how to practice it today. The chain of initiation have been broken.

You want to see some true prophets? We've just been keeping them hidden in plain sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlwr44hsoE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y_1ZwOPPkk

>>128596845
>choosing Christianity
That's not how predestination works anon

>>128597348
As I told Georgian guy :
>>128597515

My views came from a meta-religious view, interpreting religious phenomenas as non-definitive steps toward the relationship with the divine. Which is tottaly heretic for a christian, I know. But as I said, that will maybe change.

>>128596845

Did you read my text ? If yes, you should have understand that modern Paganism is nothing like old one, but a compilation of memes that is in the most cases, pure Larp.

But you shouldn't chose a religion for pro and cons anyway. You adhere to a religion if you feel it's absolute truth. If you believe in its gods and in its view of the human and the divine. Other than that it's pure larp and will profuce nothing positive. No christian will die in martyr if he chose Christianity out of ' well crusaders were based, no pagan will die in the battlefields if he chose paganism out of ' well my ancestors did it too '. The first will die because he believe in Christ and want to follow his steps, the latter if he thinks the Walhalla awaits him.

>Moral values in Europe before Christianity came about are the same as today
Really makes you think

>>128598006
If he want to be saved he will be saved. Given, if he is ready to sacrifice his life for the love of Christ. No human is denied the possibility to chose Christ. Keep that calvinism away from me m8.

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>Not related to politics
>Not related to current news

Take it to /bant/

MAKE /POL/ GREAT AGAIN!

>>128597515
Well, I can see what you mean. But I still disagree on your statement, regarding "Christianity is dying". It is sort of a sinus line. It has period of decline and period of rising. Any who, Christianity has shown to be vastly adaptable, we can see that, for example, how it took good parts and traditions from various cultures, without changing its teachings. On the contrary, it has shown to strengthen it in certain aspects. We can argue what is causing current problems, but I think that its about mass accumulation of wealth, leading to natural decadence, and reformation, that has severely shattered positions of apostolic churches in northern Europe. And certain teachings of protestant denominations as predestination and annihilationism and secession of people from traditional churches has led to decline of Christianity in protestant parts. However, we can also see how people slowly return to traditional churches and I hope that this will continue.
>I will actually go to a monastery for two weeks soon, a friend invented me to do a retreat, maybe that will make me change of ideas.
May you find peace, friend. Monasteries are excellent places for resting your soul and thinking on subjects that actually matters. Good luck :)...

>>128598613
>believing you are strong enough to choose
That palagianism will get you into trouble anon

>>128598724
>Thread full of elaborate political, historical and religious analysis.
>Meanwhile, catalog full of shit threads about how Trump's handshake was based
>muh you should get out it's not /pol/ related.

Do you need to be a retard to be /pol/ related ?

>>128597515
>Maybe I'm wrong, I will actually go to a monastery for two weeks soon, a friend invented me to do a retreat, maybe that will make me change of ideas.

If it's alright can we keep in touch? I want to know the result of this and your posts have got me intrigued

>>128599017
I think that at least, you are not strong enough to chose, you are strong enough to ask, and God can't refuse because he's pure Love, and Love doesn't refuse itself to those who ask it.

If one human on earth would not have the possibility to ask for Christ, then it would mean that he is ontologically bad, and God can't create ontologically bad beings, being the Good itself.

But then again, I'm not Christian ( for now, at least ), so my opinion isn't worth much, but yes, i thought jesuit theology more convincing.

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>looking for truth for years
>christianity doesn't satisfy
>true paganism probably would, but it's literally impossible to know
>tfw you'll never be fully invested in a religion again

>>128599290
Yes, of course, give me your Skype !

>>128585837
>There is no civilization without religion.

Even if it's de facto Statism

>>128598998
You make very interesting points about Christianity. To be honnest, I'm very ambivalous on that question. I sometimes think that modern christianism is dying, and so infected by modern ideologies from the inside that I think that it will be necessarly reiplaced, as I said, by a new religious form because it can't renove itself anymore. But on the other hand, being the most complete and true form of religion and theology, I tend to think that it's the definitive, absolute, religious form and that we will either assist to its renovation or to the end of times in the future.

And thanks, I hope it will help me.

>>128600153
[email protected], that's my (new) skype id too

>>128601691
Added you

Stop watching porn.
Be my cumbearer

>>128596845
Christianity+ancestorworship?
Asians do it.

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I don't get thes
>HURR DURR MUH ANCESTORS
Even though their early ancestors were Christian and you believe based off what you believe not what some retard vilings 2000 years ago

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>>128596845
Follow Jesus

But LARPing is the very essence of religion

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>>128603711
dasrite!

What about Hellenic & Latin paganism that is really well documented ?

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>>128603831
>But LARPing is the very essence of religion

LARPing is the essence of monotheism...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe9msExUK8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt8lhNNk9So

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You obviously didn't read this must read if you want to talk about paganism.

>>128604129
It's true that we have more documented knoweldge of greek and latin religiosity, thus it doesn't suffer from the bastardization of celtic and germanic mythologies by occultist who fill the blanks with personal fantasies.

Though, if we know the exterior aspect, a lot of documents are missing on personal initiation. For instance for the greek mysteries, the orphical rituals and initiation, we don't have access to the content of the various initiatic steps that were followed and that were required to go further in the initiation in the truth.

Eiter if we ha, a religion is made to be sincerly believed to be something serious and not pure larp. Does the content of greek mysteries cult seems to you enough valid to explain the modern world ? Can its truth still touch people in our era ? I honnestly don't think so, Christianity take the best of roman cults and made it evolve with the Christic event, it goes further than greek and latine religiosity. The question for now, is will christianiaty survive modernity and revive itself, or will a new religiosity take place. The question of paganism is resolved since 2000 years, it only appear now because the crisis of Christianity have created new needs for the religious. Neo-paganism is an epiphenomenon of christianism history and evolution.

>>128604873
De Benoist. Je rigole. Si tu veux faire dans le néo-paien balance moi des références de qualités mais pas ce crypto-communiste de comptoir.

C'est de l'intellectualisme qui n'a pas de base dans une possibilité de la pratique réelle car il ne se rattache pas à une vision cohérente du divin et a une veritable volonté de se lier au divin, mais seulement des volontés contingentes d'organisation social. Ca ne marchera pas comme le maurrasisme n'a pas marché, car les deux sont des volontés politiques d'utiliser des religions et pas des volontés religieuses de faire de la politique. La doctrine maurassienne du ' soyons cathos car c'est bon pour la Feance même si j'y crois pas vraiment ' est autant un meme inauthentique que tous les mecs de la nouvelle droite qui n'arrivent pas à résoudre leurs contradictions ni à comprendre pourquoi tous les gens sérieux qui s'intéressent au paganisme finissent par le lâcher devant ses contradictions, comme Jungër qui se convertit tranquillou en fin de vie au catholicisme, ce que Venner n'arrive pas à comprendre et tente de faire passer pour une folie de vieillesse alors que c'était de sa part simplement un constat. Bref, le seul paien consequent c'est Evola, et à la limite Heidegger. Mais les deux ne peuvent etre consequent que sur un mode individuel, jamais collectif.

>>128603101
desu, euro villagers were semi-pagans into the 20th century. Im talking about "I sacrifiece grain to that saint so my sow gets better and give a bowl of milk to the housecobold" tiers of syncretism.

>>128605687
What do you think about eastern religions?
For the next century indians and chinese will be the bulk of the worldpopulation (befor africans will take that place) and they life relativly close to each other.

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>>128584707
>>128584904
Jesus you have autism.

>>128607376
Why ?

>>128599889
Have you read the Oera Linda book, friend?

http://sacred-texts.com/atl/olb/index.htm

>>128584707
You've got that backwards, Christianity is crypto-paganism not the other way around.

Every neo-Pagan i've met has been some combination of poor, stupid, had kids out of wedlock early. Makes sense considering a welfare princess like Varg is idolized by these cancerous fucks.

>>128607283
I'm relatively interested in them but my knoweldge is too limited to have a serious opinion on them. I'm actually reading an introduction to indian metaphysics and a lot of thing seems interesting, but I think those religious forms are too alien to westerners in order to them to tottaly engage in them. At least if they stay in the western world, most of them interpret oriental concepts with a western mind and ends doing neo-christianism like neo-pagans. I think theh only way for a westerner to really follow an oriental form is to do like Guenon, go there and integrate into the culture and follow a local initiation.

>>128598378
So you'd rather live with a 2000 year old Larp than a 20 year Larp? I'm not understanding what the difference is.

>>128607735
Read the paragraph after that one, and the rest of the discussion. Christianity integrate some elements of Paganism but the core of its doctrine is alien to pagan concepts, and even alien to hebraic concept.

>>128608094
I'm not trying to larp anything. Christianity is declining, but still alive in some communities, and its concepts are still understable to our ears. I'm interested in them but for now don't mange to make the ' jump into the void ' that Kierkegaard talk about. I will try to make that jump in that retreat, If I manage to sincerely believe in it, if I realized Christianity, not only is 'good', since I already know that, but the absolute truth, I will convert. If I can't, I will stay and can't manage to really connect to the divine, I will stay with my meta-religious ideology and await for the future great religious renovation that is for now, nothing more than an hypothesis.

>>128584420
We know tons about Roman, Greek way of life and their religion, norse was quite similar as well. many christian rituals and morals have pagan origins.

>>128607692
>The Oera Linda book is today conventionally agreed to be a forgery, written during the mid-19th century
Dude, your link discredits itself in the first paragraph.

>>128608056
>too alien

True, you just can hardly get them properly as proven by western "bhuddism" and such abberations. But you seem knowledgable about relgion so I was curious why you did not even mention them when you were talking about the future as it seemed to indicate you think of them as doomed as islam.

>>128609296
Mostly because that post was about the future of european and western religious future and phenomenas. Since we fight eachother since 1000 years, the future of the islamic world will impact the western world than the future of the western world will impact their civilization. Seemed coherent to talk a little about them in that matter.

Though, we have a very limited ' religious common history ' with the asian world. Our relationships were always political and economic, except for some missionaries. Though, with their demographical growth, maybe that will change.

>>128610094
Well it might.
Demographie is already a key in our clash with the near east (and ourselves) so the globalised world being weighted towards the other end of eurasia might influence us in ways that werent possible since we had craz stuff like Manicheaism.

>>128584521
You don't seem to understand yourself that paganism is not like Christianity, it doesn't have a guide book and it had tremendous variation, different people interpreted it in different ways, some were LARPers and just participated in rituals back then too. Neo-paganism is paganism, paganism doesn't have to be purely traditional and ancestral, it can change, just like it has always been changing, it didn't remain the same proto Indo-European religion.

I'm a Christian but I have huge cognitive dissonance.

It feels good participating in ritual on Sunday morning and doing what I can to better myself and my community at other times but then you open the Bible and half of it is ooga booga brown people and their jealous autistic desert fire God and its really offputting.

>>128610812
No that you tell me that, you remind me one teacher I had that talked about that. The guy was so radically pro-german than he will probably be expelled if he teached in Germany and not in France. He gave us a course on leibniz, and tell us that the west was sick of budhist monist thought, and that we needed to became real monades, heroes of the subjectivity like based Hermann, instead of letting ourselves devouring by the yellowish thought of the destruction of the ego and general monism.

It's interesting, but I'm sincerly not enough documented to have a jugement on that question, I don't know for instance how much they're westernized and how much they still feel connected to their own religions.

>>128611184
>had
Well you guys still have some nonmeme bagans in backass villages sacrifiecing goats and beer and shit to Kopala. They choose their priests over dreams Ive read which choose one in the village,

>>128611737
Ikr it's great, I think we should make saint George into a pagan God and worship him, just like some of us did in the past.

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>Muh ancestors
>Muh Jewish opression
>We Wuz Vikings
You are all just as bad the the dindus

>>128584420
i like you french anon
i know a lot of serbs that turned towards Rodnoverje or Pravoverje which is basically centered around the "Book of Velles" which first surfaced after the October revolution

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>>128612004
You dont have to "make" him into a deity as that would be LARP in the truest sense, just care more about tending to him again I guess.
If you compare catholic saintworship to what they do with Nats in Burma or bhodisvatas in Tibet its not all too different. You ask an ancestral hero to intercess for you in the name of god as he is greater then you but still not as far away as the creator to whom you are too bashful to pray directly with your lowly fears.
I never got the direct difference between a wrathful deity and medieval devotion to Michael except for the respective worshippers calling the target of veneration of the other one false or a demon.

>>128611603
I dont know much about continental philosophy we never had much but Kant in school.
I look after Monas and see what it is about. Wiki article starts with linking it to Pythagoras which seems intriguing as that guy was a religious leader himself.

>>128612579
>muh ancestors
>you are all just as bad the dindus
Not an argument. The dindus try to claim other cultures as their own while white people's ancestors actually were pagans.

>>128611184
Such as christianism. That had numerous variations, theological interpretations, various churches, heresies, even types of different interpretation inside the Church. Which is only unified by one idea ' God who made flesh, god who incarnated, god who died for sins, god who triumphed over death and allowed us to do the same if we follow his steps ´ .

That doesn't prevent what I say from being true. Paganisms had a coherent initiation. Speeches about the world and the here-after, cosmological vision. They had clerics who shared that vision, and which mostly relayed on an oral unwritted knowledge. That knoweldge disappeared with the druids, with the oracles, since this was an unwritted code, its core message didn't survive its physical disappearance. Neo-pagans of the XIXth century, tried to revive it, but since they didn't have those sources, they mostly invented them who claimed to have found them in mysterious places, like Blatavski, who claim to have received them in personal revelations, like a lot of german esoterist. Bit the truth is that the chain of initiation have been broken, and the fact that neo-paganism integrate crypto-christian or modern elements is enough of a proof that when they think they talk about the cult of their ancestors, they actually talk about themselves and their own modern, post-christian concepts about life, death, and the cosmos.

>>128608310
>but the core of its doctrine is alien to pagan concepts
So it invented itself out of thin air? What about the trinity?
>I say it was so it must be true
You're going to need citations on that shit bro
>>128608926
So you continue to disparage people trying to find themselves in some other belief system but you yourself can't make an objective distinction between the two?

>>128612934
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/79792.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LgCuvb79eQ

Euros must step up their game, its weird that all post 60s attempts of europe are just as desperate then the american ones. Calling it gapfilling seems to be true in most cases.

>Someone actually educated and informed making a religion thread
Reeee kike kike kike reeee

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>>128613106
We already did merge him with our moon god though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetri_Giorgi#Cult

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>>128584420
As a muslim I think pagans are filthy degenerates that want to destroy your culture and traditins, watch your back christians!

>>128613829
>igraju kolo
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA
i mean i understand why orthodoxy has so much odd elements that might not be tied to Christianity or w/e but it's hilarious
most of them are even orthodox christians larping as "pagans" on weekends
while the more radical ones are 12 y/o skinheads

>>128613329
No, Christianity just has interpretations, it has a central figure Jesus, therefore it can't be compared with paganism. paganism is lot more flexible.

>>128613904
>We already did merge him with our moon god though
>our moon god
yeah right. All our Idols were either hittite, greek or mazdan.
just stop

>>128609119
And Hitler was the bad guy too, I suppose. Cuz, you know, (((experts))) tell us so. If true, this is the only book of the Northern Europeans free from Roman, (((Catholic))), or Semitic influence. They have good reason to not let us know our Northern European history. The Eddas were even translated by a Christian, ffs. Give it a look.

http://fryskednis.blogspot.com/
https://soundcloud.com/red-ice-radio/jan-ott-oera-linda-book-an-ancient-frisian-manuscript-hour-1
https://soundcloud.com/aesirbroadcasting/beyond-a-nordic-bible-the-oera-linda-manuscript

A bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22cOnz4JJlM

>>128614890
>>128614890
Look the pathetic pagans fighting each other.

>>128588985
>Whites are always a minority in their own countries

>>128588985
No one cares about LARPing as vikingz n' shiet.

>>128613904
So everything should be fine for you?
Preserve the tradition as it was done 100 years ago and be glad you have the best of both worlds-small deities and a consistent theology above them, "remaking" deities on top of it seems like you would just infect your culture with wiccaism.
I heard siberian shamanism got already some weird influences as w*stern hippies visit the siberians and talk with them about their faggot opinions which then get listened to as rich westeners are seen as some kind of authority lol.

>>128599060
Ignore them.

>>128615061
>Look the pathetic pagans fighting each other.
I'm orthodox christian, lorenzo

>>128596845
Christianity is cucked only if you are.

>>128608094
The difference is between civilization and not. Proven and unproven.

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>>128584420
>i don't like what you worship or how you worship
larp larp larp larp larp larpy larpy larp larp
larp larp larp?
larpy LARP larpy larp LARP larp larpy larpy larp

>>128614890
Yeah, I'm sure we were just bunch of atheists before those people came along. myth of Amirani is older than Hitties and older than Greek contant. there is no such a thing as Mazda idols, Mazda is the sole God of Zoroastrianism.

>>128584420
LARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARPLARP

>>128615572
Orthodox Christian = Half pagan

>>128616237
>>128616082
So this is what a mental breakdown looks like. I'm not surprised that postmodernists wouldn't argue over truth.

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>>128615398
No, everything, we just need to add something, complete it more in some way and remove cheek turning and cuckery from our religion and only take good ideas from Christianity.

>>128613364
We can take the idea that ' God made flesh ' for instance. As the formula say, ' Blasphemy for the jews, foly for the jews '.

See, in most greek neo-platonician philosophy, God is considered like a pure concept, like pure intelligence, outside of the realms of the physical world. It's the same in aristotelician philosophy, where God is conceived is like the first motor, who exist entirely by itself but never have a relation with other realms, since it would alter its perfection.

Even in greek mythologies, Zeus or other divinities never really ´ take flesh', ghey only take appearances of people, becquse they can't quit their divine nature.

For the jews, such an idea will be an insult toward the divine majesty, who can't degrade himself by taking a human form. Which brings us to the second point : Why God did it ? And the answser is, out of love, to save the creation, out of a love so powerfull is he ready to die on the cross to save its creation.

The greek theorized a God of Knowledge. The jews a God of Power. The Christianism, only, transform that conception into something else, that is that God is first a being of pure love, his power is love, his knoweldge is love, his final sacrifice ro redeem humanity, is love.

Such a concept was alien both from pagan and from hebraic traditions. The case you want me to talk about, the trinity is in that case really interesting.

>>128616340
it always comes to the LARP argument, no one can argue beyond the ultimate argument against paganism

ok

>>128616586
>cheekturning and cuckers
Georgia does not seem very cucked desu.
What bothers you?

>>128616586
>another one intentionally misunderstands the teachings of Christ
Historical context answers a lot.

Repeat after me. A slap on the cheek is not foreign invasion. A slap on the cheek is not foreign invasion.
Do it a hundred times on a chalkboard, and you should have learned it.

What it really means is that OP will not start throwing hissy fits over these >>128616237 >>128616082

>>128612579
>is monarchism blue pill
Sweden is a monarchy. UK is a monarchy.
Poland, Czechia, Hungary and Slovakia are republics.
Only redpilled monarchy today is Japan but guess what. It's shinto, not christian.

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>>128617012
Who fights by the sword, dies by the sword, anon. Concepts of just war and such don't come from Jesus or his apostles but from Aristotle and Plato.

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I'm losing faith in mankind every time I see LARPers bringing up paganism.

>>128616667
You don't have reliable sources, and you aren't interested in providing them. That's a big point against paganism.

>>128617242
Then why do you post hitler? His right hand man was an outspoken pagan.

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>>128617188
>Who fights by the sword, dies by the sword, anon.
Yes, and that does not mean not picking it up, it means carrying the burden with it. Christ even orders his disciples to buy a sword. 2 were enough for a group of 13.

>>128616138
>Yeah, I'm sure we were just bunch of atheists before those people came along. myth of Amirani is older than Hitties and older than Greek content.
Amirani myth is altered vastly by christianity
>there is no such a thing as Mazda idols, Mazda is the sole God of Zoroastrianism.
You are oblivious to zoroastrianism, arent you? What is mithra? What is anihita? what are thousand other amesha spentas that came here as zadeni, kopala, ainina and danina and armazd, that is just ahura-mazda light version?
>>128616255
Great! thanks for proving that debating with you is useless. bye

>>128616643
Because, indeed the trinity exist in paganism, in philosophy, or for instance in the hindu trimurti. But classical philosophy didn't manage to understand such a concept with the christian axioms. Because in the case of the hindu trimurti, it's three different substance. In the case of the trinity is three Persons but One god. In the beginning, the first greek christian philosophers tried to understand it with their concepts, each person of the trinity being understand as a subtance ( an ousia ). But it didn't work because an ousia can't be an other thing that it is, three ousia can't be connected together the way the trinity is. So, St Augustine invented the nation of person and of RELATION between those persons, the trinity is understand as a constant relation between the persons, and not as a greek substantial ousia. Three person that love themselves for the eternity, and thus are in constant relationship. The conceptualization of the trinity is one of the proof of the evolution that Christianism made pagan philosophy have, due to its simple but powerfull fact : God is love.


There are litteraly a hundred of other concepts that are purely christians, and not just pagan. Where they come from ? If you're materialist, you will say for the mix of hebraism and hellenism taking place in Judea, if you're Christian, from God itself.

Concerninf your second point, I don't se how I don't manage to separate objectivity from subjectivity. Religions tell an objective speech about life, death, the here-after, the cosmos. That truth about life is spread through mediators, places, clerics, text, initiation. I consider that everyone search to find that truth. However, when all the mediators of a religion hace disappeared and reimplaced by inventions from last centuries while it pretend otherwise. And when the primal motivation of people engaging in that religion are not to connect to truth but contingencies such as ' they were based ', then it's not a serious way.

>>128584420
So what if it's made up? Literally all religions are made up (don't tell me that you seriously believe in the truth of Mohammad's epileptic ramblings or the self-contradictory jewish lies of the Bible). For example, Islam wields great power, despite everyone on this board being rightfully convinced that it's bullshit.

I'll wear a Mjolnir, teach my children heroic stories about the Aesir, and make some tasty mead because I want to, not because I think I have to.

Christianity may have been of use in the past, but it is full to the brim with cucks and corruption these days. It will not stand against the onslaught of Islam and the subversion of the Jews.

Save your cries of "LARPER", shills. I'm not listening.

>>128617342
His right man, not him. Hitler was a good christian leader.

>>128617342
Hitler was an outspoken Christian. Aside from post-war releases and propaganda.

>>128617402
Anglos>Mediterraneans>Germanics>Slavs

>>128617020
>Only redpilled monarchy
Dont forget most based Bhutan

oh look its the polish racemixer and italian muslim again

>>128617619
Finns>Mongols>Slavs>Mediterraneans>Anglos>Germanics>Whatisleftout>Jews>Gypsies>Swedes

>>128617535
>>128617472
He CHOSE Himmler. Are you saying that a "good christian leader" would choose a pagan with nothing but contempt for christianity as one of his most trusted men?
Would a "good christian leader" promote positive christianity which rejected old testament?

>>128617255
It's a low tier ad hominem, anon. Simply calling pagans LARPers won't magically make us so. And no amount of me telling you how I don't LARP will change your mind. It's pointless

>>128617402
I'm a proud Slav, not some nordcuck you pasta nigger. Are you blind?

Well anyway, I have to go. I litteraly typed all my posts through a smartphone, start to get boring. Good day to everyone I talked with, it was an interesting thread.

>>128617740
>polish racemixer
wat

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>2017
>Not being into radical New Age

Enjoy your LARP (Chirstians and Pagans alike) mental masturbation with 0 practicality and no other arguments other than "muh morality".

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>>128617619

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>>128612579
The New Testament doesn't invalidate the Old. How can I take the rest of this seriously?

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>>128617919
Slav? Holy shit gypsy!

>>128616957
Religious people are pretty cucked, I hear them say egalitarian gay shit all the time.
They are only redpilled on simple degeneracy.
Some of them even think that Euros should accept refugees, I chimp out once about that.

>>128617012
I don't give a shit, he never mentioned foreign invasions and any slap on the cheek deserves a response to me, not "take my coat too", that's cuckery. What are you going to do if Mehmet immigrant slaps you?

>>128617040
I was just going to post that too, I love those memes, both are true too.

>>128618151
>slavs are romanians
>romanians are gypsies
How low had once mighty romans fallen.

>>128584420
I could say the same shit about Christianity or any other religion. Conflating the modern dog & pony show that is modern Christianity with ancient Christianity is silly. A bunch of bored Romans came up with it.

>>128617948

>hurdur ill prefer based christcuck nigger over whitey anyday

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>>128617998
>mfw read that, Prometheus Rising, Angel Tech, Exo Psychology and still pagan

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>>128618272
I don't want to be associated with romans, I want to be associated with the caliphates and the ottoman empire. Gypsies are not only romanian, they are also slavs.

>>128617826
He wasn't a theologian. He was a German, and they think like engineers. He saw it as a problem and was in the process of removing it. A Christian doctrine, mind you. It follows quite naturally once you come into contact with the evils of the jews.

Frankly, getting the Bible out of the grasp of the common man is a good thing. Low IQ plebs will never understand anything beyond the surface level, and the Bible is a deeply interconnected and obscure book. You are not meant to understand it just by reading it.

I'm not going to judge him.

>>128618406
What the fuck are you even talking about?

What's with the growing number of pagan hate threads? Do we have multiple ones a day now? Is it because of Vargs videos or what?

>>128617919
>It's a low tier ad hominem, anon. Simply calling pagans LARPers won't magically make us so
Read the OP and what he posted. LARP is mostly in the images.

>>128618586
90 procent of christians

>>128618198
>What are you going to do if Mehmet immigrant slaps you?
I don't know. Why don't you come over here and we'll see?

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>>128618600
It's degenerates trying to push wicca or some shitty LARP.

>>128612579
This fucking pic looks like a joke? Is that serious or just satire?
>look at this paticular crown of a christian country
>see this cross? Isn't christianity based?
>what? there were monarchies before christianity? What?
>l-look at those flags, they have crosses too
>w-w-what? there were crosses bc too?

Anyway please explain this if christianity isn't bluepilled and submissive:
> You are all sons of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
> For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
> There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, and there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
>If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


>When a foreigner sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.
>The foreigner who dwells with you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

>“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
>But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
>If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.

>>128618600
Pretty sure it's just a new tactic by shareblue. Divide and conquer.

>>128618694
Well, i'm not a christian.

>>128618726
Pretty sure pagan where always on /pol/. But why are there so many threads about it? Feels more like christians pushing it

>>128618809
my bad. it's the same italian larper though

>>128618769
The ones who want to divide and conquer are the pagan shills.

>>128618990
Said a fucking italian muslim.

>>128618990
>muslims and christians best friends forever

kys

>>128618917
They didn't go as far as trying to indoctrinate everyone, now they make threads about muh ancestors and call everyone who disagrees with them kikes.

>>128618769
>a new tactic
Reddit brought fedoras, /pol/ taught them the importance of religion and context, they are too arrogant to become Christians -> they make an erroneous version of Christianity and promote it.
Jews are here to fan the flames, but like Satan, they can't create, they can only distort.

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>>128618603
>while LARPING on occultist memes
It implies we dress in druidic robes or similar and perform rituals while we don't really believe in the powers of magic.

Again, no amount of "no, we don't do that" will suffice. It's the ultimate "argument". People just want to call each other names

>>128619254
WHat are you even talking about. I doubt that fedoras came here from reddit. Nationalism movements always had a small procentage of atheists within them.

>>128617427
>Amirani myth is altered vastly by christianity
>vastly
source?

>What is mithra? What is anihita? what are thousand other amesha spentas that came here as zadeni,
All those most likely merging of native religions and Zoroastrianism, sometimes it may not be even Zoroastrian influence, there is a lack of concrete evidence. it's not clear if Mithra was part of Zoroastrianism, there were way more Gods, many of you mentioned weren't even worshiped in the west.

>Great! thanks for proving that debating with you is useless. bye
not an argument

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>>128619145
Not best friends, but allies.

>>128619064
And? I'm not the one wanting the destruction of civilization, I don't want people devolving into savages, dancing on the fire and worshipping false idols. May Allah have mercy on your soul, you filthy heretic.

>>128618151
they are not romanians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTeObJmb7hQ

>>128619354
Litteraly used the larping meme one time for then explicitely the reasons why paganism a shite.

Wrote more than 30.000 characters on my shit smartphone for seeing the thread being slided into meds vs nords bullshit.

/pol/ never again. Hope it was usefull to some, still.

>>128584420
why do you care, baguette kike? do whatever you want (probably sucking morocco cock) and leave everybody else alone. now skip along, achmad is waiting.

>>128619661
roach detected

>>128619661
>Not best friends, but allies.
I dread the day when christianity will be cucked enough to belive in this shit. But given current pope it might not be that far away.

>>128619480
The tactic was around before the death of /pol/, but it was laughed out, since this board had actual discussion on it.
Death of /pol/ brought in atheism and paganism in full force. 8 channel was a bunch of retards who alienated their own userbase and divided everything into its own dead boards. Of course, it was also owned by a jew, so no wonder.

Learningcode and others have been attempting to subvert /pol/ to be anti-christian for a long time now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5va4dq_gG3M

Most Europeans, even these pagans, are mostly Christian. Our civilization is Christian. Therefore Christian revival is the single largest threat to jewry. Ban of usury? How would you roll with that, it's 2017!

kek is the only true religion

>>128619254
Thinking every pagan is just an atheist who wants to spite christians is arrogant. Some people believe in more than a single god.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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>>128617535
No one really knows what his beliefs were, there are many contradictions. I personally believe he was raised a catholic, was fairly devout but his faith waned as he aged and got redpilled on its semitic and toxic influence upon germanic society. By the time of his rise to power he was probably of a reformist mindset but used christianity to rally the conservatives (despite all the catholics voting against the nazis, never foget, you fucking traitors all of you). I think when he was Fuhrer he abandoned cuckstianity in secret and began pushing for a new faith. In time it would have been revealed. If you study the upper echelons of nazi society you would see this to be true.

>>128620160
I call it how I see it. Since I am not using my time to meet up with random pagans, my interactions are related 99% to the
>Christians so weak now that I misunderstood their message intentionally!

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>>128619960
>Said the snownigger
>Denmark
Literally who?

>>128620007
Why do you hate a possible alliance between christians and muslims? Are you a shill sent by kikes to prove my point?

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>>128619661
Disgusting

>>128620160
Well christians have protector angels too, doesnt changes that some bagans are weird shallow edgelords.

>>128620069
>ban on usury? it's only for the goyim

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>>128620316
>anime
>degenerate talking about disgust

>>128620536
>not knowing that Patricians lent money to the Plebeians since 300 BC
>not knowing that Greece was founded on usury
Aristotle made a few key notions of this behavior.

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>>128620552
>ugly hag
>Shitskin talking about degeneracy

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>>128619888
You did a great job at stating the problem OP.

I will speak for myself and not other pagans: what I seek here is a better narrative for us (whites). I don't care if it was made up by a charlatan or a pseudoscientist, what matter are the effects this new story has on people and how it guides our lives.
It's a complex metaphor. I do believe white people are descendants from gods, the Hyperboreans. Look at out work!
We are a pure race, here to bring light into darkness.
Our pagan gods represent the ideals of our ancient ancestors

>>128620970
It's Ms.Mussolini you ignorant kraut.

You call me shitskin and I bet you're more dark skinned than me you filthy mudblood and kafir.

>>128584707
Neo-paganism sacrifices my friend. The idea that they put nature above man is it's self a sacrifice.

>>128621002
You're the darkness you heretic, you want to bring the world to ruins. You are servants of Shaytan.

>>128620720
Christians banned usury for goyim and let Jews monopolize banking.

>>128620392
Comparing protector angels to gods sounds blasphemous, but it's not wrong since not even christians are able to worship one god alone. Anyway I don't know many pagans but I'm one myself and I think paganism is way more genuine since I found my way to it rather than being born in it.

>>128621102
>Ms.Mussolini
Don't stain the name of such a great person you sandnigger. You wish you were as white as me. I'm an aryan, you are a nigger worshipping a nigger religion.

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Looking into Catholicism but can't get past all the cucked shit. What do?

>belive in a god
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>128621102
"The Truth Apparent, apparent to everyone's eyes how are not blinded by dogmatism, is that men are perhaps weary of Liberty. They have a surfeit of it. Liberty is no longer the virgin, chaste and severe, to be fought for … we have buried the putrid corpse of liberty … the Italian people are a race of sheep." Mussolini

ITT: fags in their early twenties (and many teenagers) who think they're cleverer than everybody else.
>-b-b-b-but muh truth
>m-m-m-muh religion larping
face the facts edgelords, you know shit, everybody at your age thinks he knows the truth, it's a well known phenomenon. the fact that you fatasses who fap to trap porn think you have to "red pill" people on fucking 4chins is embarrassing enough, one would think. but no, not for you. you actually came from asking "is x redpilled, what clothes should a redpilled beta wear" etc.

all of you are laughable beta perma virgin losers.

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>>128621398
great argument there roach

>>128621739
REFORM
ALL THE SECTS WILL COME TOGETHER AS ONE

>>128620307
>snownigger
>nordcuck
>muslim christian alliance

t.anti white roach

>>128621731
You are aryan? Oh much better! A fucking barbarian that got BTFO by romans, wild and savage, just like niggers.

>>128621862
But it's true, we italians are sheep, look how they loved Mussolini and then changed sides and killed him.

>>128622218
>pagan is scared from the alliance
Pathetic.

>>128619888
You tried and got trips as a reward.

>>128612934

Veles is equivalent of Loki

some say Odin but Loki is a trickster.

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>>128621398
>everyone I don't like is satan
>a childs guide to online religious discussion

>>128622241
>BTFO by romans,
>Quintili Vare, legiones redde!

But how can you talk about the romans without even following their religion, you hypocrite.

>>128620069
>Ban of usury? How would you roll with that, it's 2017!
WTF I LOVE COMMUNISM NOW!

>>128621002
I kind of answered to that option there :
>>128587684

The problem is that religion is not only a social discourse but afrer all a speexh about the divine, the cosmos, the here after, the destiny of man. It all should be based on a serious belief. It's that belief that forge communities, and people have to think it's true in order to act according to the truths it spell. This is the problem with utilitarian use of religion, it thinks that religions are a tool to make communitie better, and nothing more. While in reality, it's people that should serve the Truth, otherwise it's not serious and will disappeared. We had a movement in the XIXth century, the Action Française, that wanted to have state catholicism, not because they though it was true, its leader being an agnostic, but because they think catholicism was usefull to maintain a good society. Well, it didn't work, some of the members converted to catholicism and quit the movement, other reclame than it stop its religious aspect, the pope even condemned it after being attentice of its devlopment. No christian will die in martyr in the name of Christ if the Christ is just ' a metaphor for being nice ' in his heart and not God who sacrificied itself, no neo-pagan will sacrifice himself on the battlefields if he doesn't think the Walhalla awaits him. And I mean really believes in it. The religious faith is the ciment of a society, you can't take only the positive aspects of the religiosity minus the faith, it will not work because the lattest are consequences of the first. And precisely, we don't have sources on that faith anymore. But we have sources of a luxurious tradition, that integrated some pagan elements, and developped other, that is still alive today, even if it's declining and that pagan reject out of memes.

>>128622352
nigger there is none

>>128621739
relevant question

>>128621739
Convert to Ario-Christianity and advocate sterilization of niggers.

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>>128618990

>>128621433
Wrong, Italians practiced usury and banned other Europeans from using it, and the other Europeans used jews as a loophole, but had them live in ghettoes with secondary rights, and routinely killed them.

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>>128625320
pic related

>>128622876
A savage snownigger like you shouldn't talk about them as well.

>>128622796
>implying that pagans are not degenerate.

>>128622966
Get the hell out of that dialectic. I'm more interested in mercantilism.

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>>128625662
>pagans arent degenerate but me worshipping a dead jew that lived 2000 years ago and symbollically eating his flesh and drinking his blood isnt

>>128625320
>People actually believe that the Nords were Aryans.
>People actually believe that Nordic religion was the first European religion.
>People actually believe that paganism is the first religion of Europe.
I've seen some shit in my time let me tell you, but this...

>>128625320
Vice versa is more common, from what I've seen. Over 99% of neo-paganism is angst for Christianity. Whereas in Christianity, neo-pagans are more of an after thought.

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>>128626153
>WE WUZ OLD EUROPEEENS N SHIEET

>>128626194
With Christianity, it's more shitting on other kinds of Christianity

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>>128626065
I suppose that dead jew would be very much alive if we can still drink His blood! Your continent has no architecture to remind you of what you have lost in abandoning Christianity, so I will make the conscious attempt to not let my disgust take the better of me.

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>>128626447
>finn larping as an ancient israelite

Just stop, it's embarrassing

>>128626447
muh architecture

>>128626541
A tree grown in a garden is not larping its part. You are like that tree, but you pretend to be wild.

>>128626618
Justice, beauty, that sort of thing. Communists didn't care, jews don't care - heck, they even waged a war against Greeks because the Greeks valued beauty as a divine virtue!
You took on jewish values to deprive you of beauty. You had to do it, no other people hate beauty. Even abbos have done beautiful paintings.

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>>128584420
>>128584521
>>128584707
>>128584904
>>128585837
>>128586449
>>128587875
cringe
Absolutely none of this is real.

>>128627010
>takes Stirner memes seriously
Spooked.

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>>128626065
>right, better dance around naked, have orgies to glorify some false idol of fertility, worship gay idols that shapeshift and get fucked in the ass by horses!

Not even trying to pathetic excuse for a human being.

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>>128627362
>have orgies
Wrong, this never happened
>worship gay idols
Wrong again
>get fucked in the ass by horses!
Now you're not even trying to make an argument

How about you read a book, you mongrel half-arab?

>>128607486
Because you DARE QUESTION ODEN

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>>128627573
>Wrong, this never happened

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>>128627149
>taking anything seriously except yourself
The Stirner memes are merely a means to an end. They are simply my property, like everything else.
>>128627362
>>128627573
Stop worshipping anything that isn't yourself, you silly spooked nerds.

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>>128627573
How about you read the Quran you filthy sinner? You are degenerate, you have no rules against degeneracy, you are toxic to society and rotten to the core.

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>>128627650
>literally falling for jewish tricks

LMFAO

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>>128627791
>you have no rules against degeneracy,

>>128627656
Why don't you come to the light of Allah brother? We respect mentally strong people like you.

>>128627650
Thanks for posting a book about homosexuality written by a Jew, but why would someone be interested in reading such a thing in the first place?

Sorry, but that not a reliable source

>>128627656
>The Stirner memes are merely a means to an end. They are simply my property, like everything else.
I'm halfway down to solipsism, so when I take things as my property, I feel shame. My property, as in, something that I am, not something that I have.

>Stop worshiping anything that isn't yourself, you silly spooked nerds.
Disgusting.

>>128627921
>shilling this hard
>inb4 t-the kikes!

>>128627921
Who enforces those values? When will they be enforced? By the time you are a relevant factor, what has happened?

You are just an advert at the moment, taking up space. There are no institutions you can affect, and therefore there are no societies you can affect.

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>>128628044
>When the Christian gets btfo so hard all he can respond with is damage control and non arguments

>>128628257
>implying that I'm christian
>implying that I got BTFO

Pathetic, that's all I can say, hopefull you "pagans" are just a few lunatics ignored by everyone outside this board.

>>128618139
Where did he say this? My burger brain might be making me blind.

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>>128628468

>>128584420
> our abrahamic religions are responsible for holes in your native traditions since our agents killed your druids, bards and others responsible for keeping oral traditions
> don't try to fill in the holes using the same methods that created native religions in the first place but follow our documented yet inferior monotard sects

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>>128627656

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>>128627929
Sounds nice but that would involve submitting myself to guidelines that are foreign from myself. This applies to any and all religions. Once you realize that they are artificial concepts, and don't have to be obeyed, you are free.
>>128627971
Everything is my property, the only difference is whether or not I have the will to possess it. The "shame" you feel is a spook. It's empty and would be seen as artificial to a proper egoist.
>disgusting
See above, worshipping a god or idol is artificial. Since an egoist is beyond that, the only thing left to "worship" is his own self. Note that this doesn't mean an egoist prays or exalts himself, he merely does whatever he has the will to do.

>>128628539
Keep telling yourself that, filthy heretic, you are a poor lonely soul swallowed by the darkness.

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>>128628663
Exactly

>>128628708
I see, I respect your choice, unlike these idiotic LARPers, you are actually worthy of respect.

>>128628539
He is a muslim. If you are looking for points against your stance, how about these? >>128628157

There are more, of course. Like, how will you actually convince the vast majority of pagans / Wiccans that your ways are the true ways? You can't exactly do that unless you
>succeed in a military coup
>open up your seekrit sources for study
>explain why your DNA and theirs gave different answers to the world

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>>128628706
An egoist wouldn't really care that much about being taken seriously, the ideology exists and spreads based on the personal wills and actions of egoists themselves, not some divine need to conquer everyone else. Class, nation, religion, propaganda, theory, etc ARE in fact spooks.

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>>128628715
NOT

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>>128628845
>LE LARPERS LARP LARP LARP

>LARPY LARPY LARP YLARPL DFSDL ALRPR

Wow

>>128628708
>artificial is not to be respected
>egoist is beyond that
That's an artificial way of looking at things.

>>128596845
I don't like how christians and pagans are against each other when the real threat is already before our eyes.

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>>128628972
Christianity is pro white, anti-jew and pro nationalism, though. It is anti-democracy and anti-ideology as well.
You live in some weird world where this isn't so.

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>>128628845
>>>128628708
>I see, I respect your choice, unlike these idiotic LARPers, you are actually worthy of respect.
What the fuck are you talking about dude? The fucking Jews run everything? Why the fuck would I want to be some judeo-christian belief like your Italian bullshit you mother fucker? Oh you can respect that one guy cuz he's somehow worthy because you read his very basic not even in his own words through a fucking pictograph answer? How do we know you're not just so fucking hard core Italian fucking breadstick larper like a mother fucker coming in here on a little smart fucking blackberry and you're got a little person you're on a fucking Vespa going through the fucking wrong fucking pass in the Colosseum in the tease of power about to fall on you

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>>128628845
Never thought I'd hear that from a Muslim. I would recommend egoism to you since you seem rational.
>>128629112
You can choose to respect an artificial concept, but an egoist by rational definition recognizes religion as artificial and in most cases would not respect it in the same way a religious person would.

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>>128629423

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>>128629423
.

>>128629513
Egoism is better than any of the alternative ideologies on this board. However, this is only so if you manage to provoke God into bullying you.

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>>128629423
..

>>128629507
>sperging out

>>128629513
Hey, I want peace between people, being muslim doesn't mean I can't respect others, I appreciate the offer but I feel at peace with islam.

>>128629685
>>128629615
Hey look, the artificial "nation" is promoting another. St. Paul bans circumcision, and what do you guys do?

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>>128629423
How is Christianity pro-white and anti-Jewish(ethnicity)?

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>>128629834
It isnt

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>>128584420
>crypto-christianism

You're holding the map the wrong way, christanity is crypto-pagan

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>>128629507
IMAGINE being this emotionally manipulated by a mere spook.
>>128629695
I would say that the idea of a god is what "bullies" people into acting against their own interests. For example, the church forces its members to pay tithes. If they don't give away what they own, they are seen as bad.
>>128629793
What you personally want is what matters most, so technically you CAN be a part of a religion as an egoist, you would just have to recognize that it is a shallow concept. I understand this ideology is not for everyone.

>>128629695
I am finding it less and less difficult to merge individualism with Christianity these days especially after reading the Bible. The Bible and Christianity is largely responsible for these ideas in Europe. It is possible that some pagan tribes also had similar ideas but they never wrote anything down that we know of. I would not fully trust Roman writing on them but it seems like there were some groups that did have an understanding of individualism.

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Fuck Israel fuck Jewish people the globalist ones at least Kyle's mom can stay I guess she ain't never yelled at me. But swear to God fool ill take their little lamp shade type Dick's and fucking I'll tear off the lamp shade part and that'll hurt him so fucking hard. Lol stupid jews

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>>128629834
Ban of usury does not actually mean that you should let non-Christians do it, or very esteemed Christians. No, it means that usury should not exist.
Or do you think that your laws that prohibit violence should not apply to foreigners? What you see as Christianity being jewish, I see as humans being sinful liars and crooks who use any artificial construct to subvert the real ones.

Christianity has a rule. First convert the jews, always. The jews take this as the deepest form of antisemitism. You take it as favoritism.
It is antisemitism and it is efficient. Convert your enemies first.

>>128629944
Nobody beside you jew slaves in USA practice genital mutilation. I mean, muslims, but come on. St. Paul BANS circumcision.

>>128623138
No really though, where are the christians who dont consider jews "le chosen peepul" and don't think worrying about ethiopians is worth it? Every church ive ever been to is always "muh africans", "muh chosen greatest ally"

I get that christians actually fucked up jews in the crusades but it seems like too much of the practictioners are too cucked nowadays...it seems this was something hitler dealt with in his time as well you know

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>>128625662
>A savage snownigger like you shouldn't talk about them as well.
Nice argument but I'm actually worshipping their gods so I'm more their heir than you will ever be.

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>>128630468
>>>128629944
>Nobody beside you jew slaves in USA practice genital mutilation. I mean, muslims, but come on. St. Paul BANS circumcision.
Yep that's right. And it is so good to be bad.

>>128630585
>this is your brain on HRE

>>128630585
Worshipping their gods does not make you roman, what kind of retarded logic is that? Are you baiting this hard or literally retarded?

>>128630298
Yeah, it should mean that, but they still did it.

>Christianity has a rule. First convert the jews, always. The jews take this as the deepest form of antisemitism
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. some religious Jews may take it as anti-semitism, atheist maxist Jews most likely won't.

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Just listen to Jordan Peterson and yeah kek a real thing he's coming back that's all bye. Princess and the Frog are my gods

>>128630649
>Yep that's right. And it is so good to be bad.
Sin in most cases means following the older and archaic modes of evolutionary behavior. In this case, however, it is more of a gruesome art similar to fetishes like cuckolding.
>lol what if humans were cattle to the subhumans? Yea, I think that's a jolly good idea!
I don't believe in jewish conspiracy, I think that it is more reasonable that a large portion of Europeans simply started fetishizing the idea of complete submission to the devil. What I don't know is when all of you guys started reading Talmud and were like, "Yup, this is it. I'm buying this one."

>>128630994
Honestly I've seen kek do way crazier shit than any other gods at this point so

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>>128630888
>I'm pretty sure it doesn't. some religious Jews may take it as anti-semitism, atheist maxist Jews most likely won't.
I'm fairly sure that atheist marxist jews didn't like the capitalists pointing their nukes at them, so I see no reason they'd think of Christianity as some positive. In fact, they saw it as reactionary and evil, and they held grudges for the Christians, especially in Russia.

>>128630685
>being this mad over the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
>>128630798
Being italien doesn't makes you roman as well but actually following the teachings of rome is closer to be roman than being a shitskin following a desert cult will ever be

>>128631408
I don't want to be associated with romans, you won't be a roman, a germanic savage like you won't be one.

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>>128631112
>reading the talmud
>implying americans ever read anything

>>128584420
Go suck off your kike messiah, faggot. Christfags are the biggest pieces of shit on the planet. You are worse than niggers, worse than Jews.

I hope every single one of you christfags will be raped, tortured, mutilated and slaughtered to the last man, woman and child.

Your God is dead and your faith is a lie. Praise Lucifer. Go fuck yourself.

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>>128631408
>>being this mad over the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
Being a fan of Rome does not make you Roman. I still like HRE, I just don't think of it as the legitimate successor. More like another bastard son to the foreign mongrel hordes.

>>128631318
Irrelevant, I didn't say that Marxist Jews see it as something positive

>>128631708
The problem does follow from them being "legitimate" jews according to other jews. Christian concept of jew is limited to religion, and even that seems to be distorted by now.

12 patriarchal tribes are now three inbred races of matrilineal goblins.

>>128617619
600 BC: Celts > Meds > Scythians
1 AD: Meds > Germanics > Slavs > Celts
1550 AD: Meds > Germanics > Celts > Slavs
1750 AD: Germanics > Celts > Slavs > Meds
1880 AD: Celts > Germanics > Slavs > Meds
1939 AD: Germanics > Meds > Celts >> Slavs
2017 AD: Slavs > Meds > Celts > Germanicucks

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>>128631639
DELET THIS

>>128631568
I never said I'm roman. I just said that I'm more roman than you are.

>>128632152
I think that 1939 should have Meds as the lowest category, simply for having Italy in it.

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>>128584904
Your posts are retarded and unfulfilling.

not all occultism is "neo pagan" you twit. you obviously don't know much about what you're talking. just a distraught christian trying to demean the Olde Arte.

>>128632152
21st century is the age of the slav.

>>128632225
Good for you.

>>128632291
Faith followed by statement become reality. Psychonauts are 'occultists' in that they gain forbidden knowledge. I'm sure that by ritually sacrificing and raping children (like mr. Crowley there) you also gain some knowledge. I deem that knowledge worth less than the price.

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>>128632531
Thanks

>>128632633
> ritually sacrificing and raping children (like mr. Crowley there)
Proof?

>>128632531

wtf are you? a shitskinned romanian or just your average analbanian subhuman roach on italian welfare?

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>>128632225
>>128632531
>>128632895
>implying anyone is or has ever truly been a Roman
Nations are not real.