Intelligent people no longer want to make babies.

Use your brain dumbass. Smart people know kids are a burden, we should follow their example.

>>128569689
Fix women

>>128569689
>Stupid people are popping out kids like crazy

Niggers*

They fell into the trap of nihilism and will now lead a life void of any real meaning. Sad

>>128569689
Fucking dumb shit is why the white race is going to be extinct within another hundred years

>>128569689
you can just freeze your sperm idiot

>>128569689
Intelligence isn't heritable so it's nothing to worry about.

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>>128569944
>Niggers*

Actually just idiot's in general don't care how many kids they have.

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>>128569999
quads of truth

>>128569689
>Stupid people are popping out kids like crazy
This has always been the case anon. Intelligent people are always a small percentage of the population. There is nothing to fix.

>>128570057
When you say "popping out kids like crazy", only niggers qualify, you retarded ape

>>128569999
9999
9999

>>128569689
You dont, idiots will always dive in head first with muh dick. Smart people will over-analyze society and conclude having kids without the right environment is a fruitless idea. Short of engaging in blatant eugenics theres nothing to be done.

Stupid people have always reproduced at a higher rate than intelligent people.

They win in sheer numbers alone.

The Nikola Tesla's of the world will always die childless and alone.

>>128569689
>no longer
This was always the case. There was even a movie with this as a premise.

>>128569689
This will be good for the economy.

The super intelligent political/business elites are in charge in the west have no need for reasonably intelligent people who know just enough to be dangerous; they do however require a growing population of retarded menials who ask no questions and carry out simple repetitive tasks efficiently for them.

>>128569999
Nice digits.
I'm guilty of going down the nihilism path.
It's been a big challenge to steer away from that black pit of despair.

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>>128570104
>When you say "popping out kids like crazy", only niggers qualify, you retarded ape

No, there was this guy I met that was locked up for not paying child support. He was a whit guy with 8 kids he could not support. It's almost like as soon as he was let go he would just make another kid then go back to jail and repeat the cycle.

>>128570284
Oh, it's a stupid american who can't understand statistics again

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>>128569689

>become articulate in speech and writing
>become financial stable
>become aware of your strength's and weakness
>face the dragon and snakes
>rescue your father from the underworld
>sort out your room bucko

Then start a family

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>being ridiculously wealthy
>not spreading your seed indiscriminately to the point of near bankruptcy
Friendly reminder Bin Laden's father literally had 120 children after making it big in the construction biz

>>128569999
>>128570201
Nihilism isn't being a depressed sack of shit.
It's just accepting that life is pointless, there is no grand scheme or greater purpose.

But just because something is pointless doesn't mean you can't enjoy it or put effort into it. All of man's accomplishments have led us here. In a billion years will humans still be around? Who knows, eventually, one day we won't, and as far as the universe is concerned we may as well have never existed.

But who cares? Fuck the universe, it's been trying to kill us and our planet since before it existed. If continuing the human race to spite the universe is all I have to live for, then by golly I'm gonna live to the fullest. So my children can spite the universe, and their children, and their children's children.
Humanity fuck yeah, our existence is pointless, all the more reason to try our hardest I say. There's no penalty for failing, there's no reason not to try.

>>128569689
Considering men have zero say in the decision to keep a baby or not, getting a vasectomy is the only way for these men to evade the danger of turning into an ATM for cock-carousel-sluts pressing out some unwanted bastard.

>>128569689
remove libtard court policies like "no fault divorce"
and men will start considering marriage, if it stopped favouring women that much. Now women are incentived to divorce their husbands

>>128570395
>baby first nihilism
You're supposed to climb out of nihilism and make your own values or take existing values like Nietzsche and Kierkagaard did.

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>>128570184
>This will be good for the economy.

The state currently with the highest single mother rate in the country is at a 300 million deficit with the highest murder rate. Also, has the highest incarceration rates.

>>128570523
>I don't want my wife to divorce me if I'm a shitty husband

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>>128569999
very true
also checked

>>128569689
Good chance its old men who already had a couple of batches of kids with wives 1, 2, 3, and now dont want to have more kids with some whores

>>128570366
How do we get niggers to do this?

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>>128570342
>Oh, it's a stupid american who can't understand statistics again

Charles murray did a study of just white Americans, look it up.

>>128570601
that would literally the opposite of a "no fault divorce", paki.
>>128570621
>Good chance its old men
read the article.
http://archive.is/iAf3k

>>128570601
oh my sweet summer child

>>128570543
My value is that life is pointless, so why not try?
I exist, one day I won't. So be it, I can't fix it, I can kinda slow it down, I can definitely speed it up, but life is interesting. Life is fun. And the universe is a cold, unfeeling not entity I can at least give a giant middle finger to.

>>128570284
>This one white guy
As opposed to the thousands if not millions of blacks and Mexicans doing the same. Only difference is the Mexicans actually do try.

>>128570828
It's not pointless if you make your own values. It's no more pointless than anything else. Hence, you should choose whatever values you want.

>>128569689
>How do we fix this?
Like we fixed every other problem (like racism, drug abuse or misogyny). Make a law banning bad things.

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>>128570842
see>>128570718

>Charles Murray did a study of just white Americans, look it up.

>>128570945
Oh but it is. Any values I create are artificial, they're as pointless as I and the rest of humanity is.
As pointless as the greatest king or the smallest gnat. And that's fine, because in spite of the end result always being the black abyss, it's not the destination. It's the journey.

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>>128570991
>Make a law banning

Isn't that the problem they made a law that against having a family and gave people a penalty for having kids.

>this whole thread
Victims of 'broken condom' mindset society despair about their sole reason of existence being intoxinated bang some decades ago. Lmao

Vasectomy is the way of escape for weak man who created weak society with women being out of control. Natural selection takes its course, who gives a flying fuck

>>128569689
If you're the type of person that is intelligent and has money, when thinking about whether or not to have a child, you contemplate a scenario in which you can achieve the best possible outcome for them while still maintaining your own health and sanity (Because you know you'll have to oversee their upbringing if you want them to turn out good.).

A wealthy intelligent individual is going to end up determining that they'd need to allocate shitloads of time and money to their kids, and because of that they decide to have very few kids, if any.

Stupid ass poor people won't fucking bother raising their kids appropriately, and they're also not too worried about how much money it will cost because they're already bent on spending the minimum amount, which basically just amounts to food. Because of that, they can crank out a bunch of half-baked dipshits and not really worry about it. They aren't allocating valuable resources to it.

I see it as a built in check for wealthier groups. They are superior, but that superiority comes at a cost; the sacrifice of their cultural reproduction through progeny. This allows the lower groups to eventually overcome and overthrow them through a sheer numbers game as they exploit this flaw.

You can see this happening in pretty much all first world countries. Logical reasoning and ethical generosity to foreigners combine to shoot them in the foot in the societal game.

What can be done about this? Nothing. Even if you can convince someone that this is what's happening, they still won't want to crank out a bunch of children because they don't want to sacrifice their own quality of life or risk the quality of life of their kids. They want others to do it instead, ideally.

This basic, logical selfishness costs their culture its grip on their society over time, and inadvertently throws away the stability of the whole system as they get overthrown by the masses.

This is a cycle, and there is no out barring extreme enlightenment.

>>128569853
This. Also worth mentioning that all countries across the world are going through this decline of stupid fucks breeding as they come into modern medicine. China had it right with one child law.

>>128569689

>live in southampton, go to club
>flash roll of 100s while i buy hot chick a drink
>invite her back to my mcmansion
>she pulls out a pregnancy test the next morning and takes half my shit

I can't disagree. But for fucks sakes stop using this fucking article, nobody gives a shit about long island. Not even me and I fucking live in the hamptons. Get me out of this shithole

>>128570697

tough question. The issue with niggers is that they have a culture of "the system is agaisnt us" so they gravitate toward poverty.
IMO the only way to fix this is revitalizing community centers and forming support system for the youth to learn how to be responsible and deal with all their emotional baggage.
Its important to start young

>>128570724
Its a mix of guys without any kids and those who do have them.

"Alex, 37, already has two kids with his wife, but the health care administrator got a vasectomy late last year specifically so he could fool around — no strings attached — in the Hamptons. The downtown Brooklyn man and his spouse of 10 years are in an open relationship, but he almost screwed things up last summer when he got stealthed by a comely Russian model he’d met at dinner in Southampton."

>>128570718
>>128571029

Charles Murray is based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Apart_(book)

>>128570697
Get their fathers to stick around and read them bedtime stories. This is where it all starts.

>>128569933
There is nothing to fix with women.This is what women were always.They just didnt have the power to carry it out without casted out of society.

>>128571298
Difference between the Hamptons and Poland is that while there are rich Jews and WASPs fucking hot Slav women, there are no rich guys in Pooland and no hot slav women left

ahh the quick fix so you can irresponsibly sleep around and be a turbomanwhore with zero repercussion.

not even weight loss surgery is that kind of fix. for those of us who can't control our animal impulse, you should thank your lucky stars if yours lies in an unending rut

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>>128571384
>Dr. Helen Smith tried to warn us

>96% In jail for child support

How does that even make sense? They should be locking up people in cages that are a danger to people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXQf2f2Yxo

>>128571090
Having no values is just as pointless as having them. The difference is that having values, though ultimately pointless, can make your short existence more enjoyable. Hence it makes more sense to make some values.

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>>128569999

And that's that.

what if they find the love of their lives and now cant make babies

stupid af

also, don't be with gold diggers and the problem will be solved

>>128569689
I won't get fixed until some big cultural or environmental change happens that lowers our currents standard of living. Idiots have always bred more, because there's always more idiots at a given time. What forced the intelligent, or at least the moderately intelligent, to breed was an insecure future. You'd need caretakers and protection as you got older. Nowadays with pensions, retirement funds and general safety, there isn't much 'forced' incentive to procreate anymore.

>>128570073
I'm gonna post this on my FB. It's time for spring cleaning and I'll let this take care of things
Embeddable: https://giphy.com/embed/26gR13iUqsNTTzsbK

>>128569689
>How do we fix this?

We don't. We kick back with a beer and watch this shitshow unfold and enjoy the LULZ.

Pass the popcorn.

>>128569689
From that article, I think you mean stupid people are popping out of having kids.

>>128571486
lel I sense some frustration there, how many members of your family are being pimped out by Maroccan youths on the streets of Amsterdam?

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>>128571876
Ivf

>>128570945
>Hence, you should choose whatever values you want.
Indeed, this philosophy formed part of the background in the Weimar republic that greased the wheels for further events. Alan Bloom makes a very detailed and compelling argument for this (though it's not the focus of the book) https://www.amazon.com/Closing-American-Mind-Education-Impoverished/dp/1451683200/

>>128572157
Fortunately none. What are my chances in Poland with Slavic qts as a Dutch man? Are we considered to be majorleague fggts?

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>>128569689
>How do we fix this?
Get a wife.
Have kids.

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>>128572198
>Tucker Carson

Is honestly a fucking idiot listen to him. I don't understand why you people like this guy. He is like one of those retards that would walk in a casino and not understand odds or statistics and get raped. He is that guy paying the Indians bills right now.

>>128570828
You sound like you are being edgy to the universe.

>>128572401
Not bad, except for the son who looks retarded

>>128569689
I have no problem with this. You can always freeze your sperm beforehand if you want to have kids later. Why let some roastie control your life?

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>>128570395
this

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>>128572401
>get a family

So the slut can drop your ass life off the state and you go to jail.

>>128570392
>Spreading your seed...
What's the point if they end up race mixing?

>>128569689
Can't gold diggers still demand alimony even if the child ain't their husband's (in bongland at least)

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>>128572863
>can't form a coherent sentence
>expects to be taken seriously

>>128572537
The universe is a dick.

>>128572401
>2017
>being intelligent

>>128571370
>important to start young

true, children learn much easier

>>128569689
this is some jewish fake news
>hey smart people, uh dont have kids XD meanwhile degenerates please do have kids XD
west is on the decline so hard coz of jews who poison your society

>>128572863
>I can only get a slut
I admire your honesty.

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>>128572331
>Are we considered to be majorleague fggts
This guy lost vs amateur firefighter from small town who trained only during winter on ice rink made by his colleagues from fire depot. And he bought the skates with his own money. Every TV station and newspaper showed this in 2014 and said 'this is how the western faggot looks like', literally, not even trying to meme here.
So besides that Sochi incident, be firm, nice, confident and not brown and you will score

>>128569689
Like fucking

E V E R Y T H I N G

it doesn't matter what you do or say

unless you're willing to tell the SKYPES to SCOOT.

C'mon, give 'em the boot!

#RemoveMatzo

Literally nothing gets better until we have government by and for Whites. A pro-White, pro-natal GOAL. What is the goal of the USA? What's the place FOR? That's right, untrammelled individual liberty to pursue petty individual satisfactions.

Go on, write the best essay ever about how bad the child support system is, or the divorce court system. The Skypes will make a new TV show tomorrow about a hip educated spermjacker who don't need no man and thousands or millions of times more people will see it than saw your essay.

(((They))) will always weasel their way to the megaphone and drown out truth. Only in an explicitly Judenrein state can we speak the truth about everything else (women, niggers, Islam, trannies, etc.). And I mean "we" as society at large, not just autists on a Laotian fingerprinting board.

>>128573077
kek I remember the dutch butthurt holy fuck.
Polish amateur won by like 0.003 second.

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>>128570366
t.nigerson

>fix yourself


You don't think the guys that actually fixed themselves literally not to have kids. Don't actually have themselves sorted out and have highly functional lives?


We are actually talking about people on top of there game refusing to reproduce you moron. The people you would want to repopulate your country because they are highly productive.

>>128570284
>go back to jail
Wait they lock you up in USA if you don't pay for kids?

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>>128569999
true

>>128572401
Sorry, the reality is people are getting smarter and wouldn't want to waste their time on childcare or women. for some people this is not happiness.

>>128573077
Source? I can't find this story

>>128570395

do not go gentle into that goOd night

RAGE , RAGE AGAINST THE DYING OF THE LIGHT

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>>128573313
>Wait they lock you up in USA if you don't pay for kids?

At one point in time we were a free country. Now it is outlawed to take a risk and start a family.

>>128569689
the west is doomed so even if we keep pushing out white kids, it's going to be super horrible to see them grow up in a world of daily terror and the global caliphate.

then there are many other factors to consider.
like involuntary racemixing. what if you find out that your roastie is 15% black or some shit and what if you have a kid with a woman and then the kid becomes a far-left lunatic or even worse a disgusting atheist? what if...

and if you're not Jordan Peterson who has two kids you're not going to save the west unless you constantly write books. I think he did that beforehand. kids would only obstruct your endeavors, at least in the beginning.

on top of all that, just fuck being a normie.

>>128571426
Take away their rights then.

>>128569999
My father was a wealthy, well travelled young man who told me that becoming a dad was the greatest joy in his life. He said it gave him a whole new purpose and made him view things like money and time differently. I've got money and ive had plenty of time to myself, im ready for kids too. You dont need to keep 'finding yourself' after 25.

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>>128573313
Its not like that guy is not out there fucking some bitch before he goes back to jail making another kid. I think you got to jail for 90 days when you don't have money. Then when you get out for what ever length of time you go out make another baby. Then get locked up for another 90 days when you get broke again. Then repeat.

While you are sitting in jail the tax payers are paying for your children and paying for the guy while he is locked up.

>>128573526
you most be fucking stupid if you can't even understand the consequences of having 8 kids.

>>128573649
Now we're talking.

>>128573600
i dont wanna raise my kids in EU or USA, where i can go to stay away from self-destructive multicultural white societies that hate whites for no reason? I dont literally have fun living in EU anymore it sucks

>>128573720
t. snowflake

muh my dad story

>>128569999

Hi Jordan.

Cut welfare of all kinds
>>128569689
Don't pay people to breed

>>128569689
We fix this with sane, actually equal treatment under the law.

For example, women not being entitled to men's money because they got knocked up and decided to keep the baby.

>>128570395
Wow you're actually pretty deluded. There is higher purpose and if you've moved your ass around you would have noticed.
Even nature can hint you with its diversity and complexity that there are many eyes upon you.
You figuring out that you're worthless so far doesn't mean its all worthless and everybody is worthless. Good luck.

>>128570395
>But just because something is pointless doesn't mean you can't enjoy it or put effort into it.
Haw can you put effort into something you know is meaningless, unless you'r lying to yourself?
>our existence is pointless, all the more reason to try our hardest I say
That is literally insanity and self deceit. Would you apply this kind of thinking to anything else? If an action is pointless, does that make you try even harder to do it?

>>128573436
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-16/brodka-wins-1500m-speed-skate-in-photo-finish/5262736
http://www.radiopolsha.pl/6/5/Artykul/162190
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Bródka

The wiki page gives some background story of the guy, hope it helps

>>128573425
The majority of people are happier married with children. Statistical fact.
Trump even makes this clear himself, he's around rich powerful people everyday and most of them are miserable without families.

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>>128574090
Always remember to archive
>http://abc net au/news/2014-02-16/brodka-wins-1500m-speed-skate-in-photo-finish/5262736
https://archive.is/Pw7bR

>>128569689
Maybe because intelligent people realise that there is no longer any point to having kids, the world is changing so rapidly and only intelligent people would realise that more people is the last thing this world needs

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>>128573774
There are people like this and those are the ones making the future generations.


I was trying to rationally explain to some guy the risk of having kids and that it would cost a lot of money and possibly land you in a jail. His response to me was that he had to "sow his oats". Despite any ramifications or cost on society or his own children were irrelevant to him. He just was controlled by one single thought to have as many kids with as many females as possible. Even if he was going to sit in jail for it or his kids were not affordable.

>>128569689
let the stupid inherit the earth, why would an intelligent person want kids to witness the decline of humanity?

>>128573989
Jesus fucking Christ Bulgarians truly are the faggotmost on this planet. Glad I got the fuck out of that shithole of a country

>>128574237
2 or 3 generations later, having no children would be a complete catastrophe, you fat autist.
When did we have a better time than now to have children? When the black plague was around? When 99.99% of children would grow up never being able to read or write? When they died from the common cold? Or when you had to sell some into slavery to make ends meet? There has never been a better time to have children than now, you can actually raise and create a well rounded human being for the first time in our entire history.

>>128573831
the problem is that you can't go anywhere because if you have kids in a 3rd world country they are even worse off than before. count your blessings because the grass seems always greener elsewhere. make the best choices in an otherwise (semi-)hostile environment. move to a rural area in Finland when starting a family. (never been to Finland but maybe Kemi is a nice town because it's so far up north and maybe not even flooded with immigrants.).

>>128573077
Thanks for the info

>>128574090
Kek.

>Dutch twink autist gets railed by Polish amateur alpha male

>>128570392

do not sexualize roco-chan

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>>128574244
I know right life is full of suffering why damn another being to this planet.

>>128569689
Faith in the future and sense of national unity correlates with fertility. When we did well at football last year the sense of unity caused a small baby boom.

The biggest thing spreading black pills, keeping fertility of intelligent people down and justifying actions of terrorists is the policy of MAD.

>>128569999

the trap on nihilism? you mean waking up to reality?

>>128574464
To be fair, prior to birthcontrol many people did not have children because they wanted to have them, but instead had a deep desire to fuck, and as a side-effect had children

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>>128569853
FPBP

Some people in the species have become too smart, smart enough to realise that raising kids is a burden and the only reason people do it is because biology has evolved tricks to encourage us to reproduce, like dopamine hits to the brain during pair bonding with sexual partners and children.

From a purely rational point of view there's really no benefit to raising children that you can't get from any other activity that also gives dopamine hits, whether that be orgasms, chocolate, fullfilment of finishing building something, gambling, drugs or whatever.

Many of those things can be done and give you a net benefit to your life, because the cost and risk is low but the enjoyment is high. Where as children the investment and risk is very high.

Men wont want to have anything to do with women once sex bots become realistic enough because they'll get all the befit with none of the drawbacks.

>>128570024
>Intelligence isn't heritable so it's nothing to worry about.
Actually evidence is that it's partially heritable but there's a regression to the mean, so the odds 2 high IQ people breeding will give birth to a high IQ baby is better than 2 stupid people, but odds are that baby will still be lower in IQ than the parents the majority of the time. This is evidenced by IQ difference between races.

Smart parents more likely know how to encourage high IQ in children, breastfeed when the child is young and good nutrition. No aggression around the child below the ages of about 5, that's no arguing, shouting, no spanking.

Dumb parents shave a good 5-10 IQ points off their children by how they treat them.

We genuinely are heading towards Idiocracy.

>>128573898
Whats wrong?
Did daddy not love you?

>>128574621
That's why having children now is the best time.
You can have children because you want them for good reasons.

>>128572423
It's not even Tucker Carlson in the video, you nigger

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>>128574667

>muh nihilism

>muh rationality is smarter than nature

>>128574099
sure that's why there are so many break ups in marriages today.. Trump, already had 4 This alone explain how stupid it is in the first place. If you're smart you understand this all is meaningless because how the world is not sustainable and family building is literally stupid tobegin with how the world fucked up it's already is and it will end collapse just matter of time. Similar to ancient empires.

Muh, marriages, having kids are for stupid people to make their delutions of happiness. True happiness is if the society is healthy and sustainable for future generations then you could build a family.

Humans, are not capable to be with 1 partner all their life however some adopt to these situations because they will likely not find anything better.

>>128575219
>"smarter than nature"
>anthropomorphizing nature like cretinous imbecile

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>>128575134
>Tucker Carlson

What? Country is falling apart from the inside due to broken homes and this dumb niggers response is "man up"

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>>128575219
Love this pic so much. Its on par with the one of my post

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>>128574621
This. Nature literally hacked the problem. To reproduce participants must turn brains off. (what is orgasm). Species without this feature died off naturally. Natural reproduction is inherently anti-intellectual process. And from the other hand approaching reproduction problem intellectually humanity didn't come with solution, quite opposite it promotes negative selection of intellect.

>>128569689
>Literally neutering yourself as opposed to keeping your cock in your breeches around women you don't want to spend the rest of your life with and have your children.
They are the stupid ones m8, they lack strength of will and common sense.

>>128575313
>Humans, are not capable to be with 1 partner all their life however some adopt to these situations because they will likely not find anything better.
They are capable and plenty of people want it or have it. The opposite is worse than anything. Not breeding would lead to a complete social and demographic catastrophe, leaving the earth to be inherited by niggers and non-whites.

>>128575442
>To reproduce participants must turn brains off.
Which is why alcohol is responsible for so many pregnancies (and marriages). It's a hack for being too smart to reproduce.

>>128574783
>i don't know how natural selection works

>>128570395
Are you trying to write like a complete faggot or was this sad wall of text meant to be serious?

>>128571299
>I see it as a built in check for wealthier groups. They are superior, but that superiority comes at a cost; the sacrifice of their cultural reproduction through progeny. This allows the lower groups to eventually overcome and overthrow them through a sheer numbers game as they exploit this flaw.
>You can see this happening in pretty much all first world countries. Logical reasoning and ethical generosity to foreigners combine to shoot them in the foot in the societal game.

r/K selection family

>>128575576
Redditors get off on stuff like that.

>>128569689
This article proves that muslim and western cultures could never be compatible.

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>pic related
>average Bulgarians are dirty gypsies

>>128575364
>assuming our feeble human minds can even begin to handle the complexities of nature without primitive simplifications

>>128569689
oh look, it's the daily turbocuck-thread

> muh golddiggers

you are a complete faggot and a failure as a man, if you don't want to raise your own children

>>128575572
>humans don't have consciousness

>>128572006
holy fuck you are going to lose so many "friends", i bet they even censor the video

>>128569853
Fuck off Kike.

>>128575782
>the future of the west

Thanks....ss feminist

>>128575863
Based Arnold.

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>>128575941
I posted a bunch of stuff critical of Muslims after the latest attack and only lost one friend. Perhaps the normies are slowly starting to wake up

>>128569999

Digits dont lie. Witnessed.

>>128569999
>getting your money life and time thrown way for someone else without any form of guaranteed return (your kid could be genetically faulted, retarded, or simply a bad person who will let you die alone when youre old)

youre a litteral cuck

>>128569689
>>128569853
>intelligent people
>trust fund idiots who never worked in their life nor ever will

LOL

If you dont make white babies you are the problem.

You guys are kikes

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>>128569999
Oh man, you're so right. We're really suffering with all this travel, philanthropy, luxury goods, arts patronage, sleep, sex... Have fun with it your little shit and snot factories, though. If your life has no meaning without crotch dumplings them you have my genuine pity.

>>128576230
the best part is how this was written by an obese scooterboy betabux

>>128572947
Anyone can cherry pick a photo of some random family. It does not mean shit to be honest. Also this is 4chan I am not going to put effort in trying to impress you with perfect grammar.

>>128573072

Ad Hominem

>>128570284

That's the woman's fault. Females in every higher animal select their partners and males have no way to change that other than rape.

The woman selected to have unprotected sex without checking the history of her partner. It was a free choice on both parties and the consequences should be theirs to bare. In short, those kids should have a shit life to encourage responsibility instead of

>Lol daddies government will pay for them.

But of course 'muh childrens' so nothing gets better.

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>>128570134
>Short of engaging in blatant eugenics theres nothing to be done

Ah yes of course. Low birthrates in white countries its just a result of spontaneous "rationality". No active policy-making or social engineering at work at all...

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>>128576230
>travel, philanthropy, luxury goods, arts patronage, sleep, sex

Yeah, because some having high stacks of money makes for a good environment and is why Brazil is heaven on earth........

>>128569999
Meaning as in getting cucked and having give them the money you saved all your life? no thanks xD

>>128574564
Define "real".

its retarded to argue that low birthrates and no children is a sign of wealth and prosperity as if low birthrates and no children leads to wealth and prosperity

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>>128576616
Well the thing is the responsible have to suffer due to being surrounded by half witted idiots Raised in horrible environments. Like >>128576705 Brazil, what is the point of being rich responsible when you kids can't even leave your gated area or they would get murdered and robbed by the people around them. Then they start pushing for communism to level things out. This was part of the fuel that was behind Bernie and blm. It is just a taste of the future.

>>128576903
actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.

>>128577141
as if to imply that*

>>128576705
>Thinking that having discretionary income is worse than being forced to spend it all on diapers and braces and tuition and bail bonds

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>>128576400
>Also this is 4chan I am not going to put effort in trying to impress you with perfect grammar.
It's well known that abstract thinking could only appear after evolution of the brain circuits that support language, because such thinking repurposes them—even when it's not consciously verbal. Sloppy use of language directly indicates sloppy thinking. If you can't express yourself with at least a decent level of precision, there's every reason to suspect that the thinking that led you to the verbal diarrhea you're posting here isn't particularly clear. We're not expecting perfect grammar from you in this context, as, after all, one wouldn't generally bother to proofread something as transient as a 4chan post; however, there's still some reasonable standard of quality which ought to be exhibited by your on-the-fly writing.

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>>128577256
>being stuck in jail called you mansion
>eventually the poor storm the gates kill you and take your shit

Yeah, Not like that would happen anytime soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjqhnSf0l-Q

I like how the jewish OP is using "stupid people" as a synonym to "White people".

There is nothing worse than passive aggressive snake mouths..

Observer that the kikes in media will never encourage non-whites to have less children, which proves that they want to destroy the aryan race.

>>128576349
>Totally not projecting

>>128577258
tldr

>>128577556
> fatboy screaming "projection!"
like clockwork

>>128577679
>tl;dr
FTFY

>>128577209
Ideas are imagined, yet they affect our lives every day.

>>128569999
>>128570395
Being a Nihilist is actually illogical as opposed to "belief" if you accept these 3 premises:
>there is an absolute truth about the universe/reality

>we want to follow the path of this truth, since truth = good (love, happiness, fulfillment, etc)

>we will never learn 100% about this absolute truth underlying in the universe through rational and scientific means. We will surely die before.
If we want to follow the path of truth, we cannot rely on science/rationality alone. We need to do a leap of faith into the unknown, trusting 100% we have chosen the right path towards it.
A Nihilist chooses to restrain from this leap. He is further away from the truth than anyone else. He is spiritually sedentary, in a way.

>>128570601
Cuck for the terrorist; if the man was shit, the female will have fault.

>>128577784
I see why people hate you leaf

>>128577509
You know what we dont have to see none of this kike media
Ingore it and any kike companies like Google and Hollywood. Also never give americans money again

>>128577502

gonna play the advocate of evil devil there mate
If ever any /pol/lack will disregard females and acquire currency enough to buy a fucking white power tower this mansion would look like Egle's Nest had a baby with Area 51 bunkers

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>>128577926
The best part is that you read it anyway.

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>>128578090
>white power tower this mansion would look like Egle's Nest had a baby with Area 51 bunkers

lol start making castles and shit?

>>128578001
It's hard when they are showing it in my face on a daily basis through newspapers, tv and radio. It's everywhere.

Just think about it. Why do they never say "Africans should have less children" ?

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>>128577895
This is more or less on point. It saddens me that materialists / nihilists will never come to understand this.

But i cant blame them. After all, i used to be a materialist and nihilist as well. Its incredibly difficult to break free from the conditioning you recieve from the public education system, mass entertainment etc.

For those of you who are still salvageable, i would recommend "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" by Joseph Campbell. Its the closest thing to a normie-friendly introduction there is.

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>>128569689
>thinks hamptons bachelors are intelligent
back to tumblr/reddit you go, kid
hope your super-cool nose piercings and tattoos don't get infected.

>>128571426
This is true. People always existed in a twofold system, one looking for your own interest, and one looking for the group interest. It only really works when they both work together. The group effort is not a foreign power either, the people collectively put them in place and enforced them. Every one person is interested to keep the group intact, even though they are selfish about themselves.

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>>128578258

jawohl

>>128570134
>and conclude having kids without the right environment is a fruitless idea.

they are fruitless people. And they will perish.

and the world will not miss them.

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If they don't want to have kids, they're not intelligent, so good riddance. Also, what the fuck do you want "intelligent" people having kids for? Intelligence isn't magically past down from father to son, it depends on the education yo are given.

Intelligent people mean shit. The only people who really should be having kids is good looking people.

>>128570177
Idiocracy? That's a very recent movie

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>>128579183
Sounds good in Theory to be able to build it. Only thing is nothing can survive a nuclear fall out if we become unstable. Like Imagine if we get torn apart and another civil war happens this time we have nukes. Only real chance at survival would be living on another planet. Nuclear fall out is just to good and leaving this place is not an option. Pretty sure that is kind of the reason people stop building castles.

>>128573989
iamverysmart.jpg

>>128570523
how can "no-fault divorce" be coupled with alimony? Really proves the marriage system has been compromised.

>>128579377

wow, you started out so good and then you just made a fool out of yourself
stop typing and go back to school you fucking drop out

>>128576167
If you raise him like that, nigger.

>>128579387
11 years, Kumpel

>>128579535

how about a bunker?
this is why i typed its a freaky baby between a bunker and a castle
you can acquire enough dosh to build a shelter working middle class
so if you have shitload of money and are autistic enough you can make a real beauty under your castle to survive decades

>>128569689
Soon smart people will implement eugenics and supply all the worlds population of aryan test tube babies. Enjoy being superior to idiots while it lasts for they will be bred out.

>>128569999
hedonism*

>>128579569
No-fault defaults to 50-50 division of assets and the subjective decision of "fairness" that the judge base their decision on. "Fairness", which is not enumerated by the law, is this alimony.

At-fault divorce would punish the party at fault. For instance, some States that are at-fault will divide assets 80-20 (In the case of adultery), custody goes to the party harmed, and no chance of alimony for the whoremonger or the whore.

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>>128579962
>how about a bunker?

I bet someone already thought of it and did the math. Like some super genius that could get a group of people together nuke the earth then come out the only survivors. Then they would be in control of everything. Just like a futuristic Noah's Ark Scenario. It is probably not feasible to out live the destruction of humanity I would bet.

>>128579377
Using that logic a chimp can be as intelligent as humans with education yet we've all seen the results of that thanks to niggers.

>>128570073

Is that real? What's the source? I think if it's real that one gif could red pill a good few people about the evils of feminism.

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>>128579674
Expalin to me the definition of "intelligence". Do you really think a fat fucking nerd who happens to be "smart" has more reproductory rights than a handsome bodybuilder? It's just that good looking people are guided into lives of hedonism and nihilistic degeneracy in the modern world. That makes them appear dumb, but they have far bigger potential than any ugly piece of shit.

>>128569853
This. If you want to make good money you can't have kids in your life.

>>128580379
ok but no-fault divorce is not consensual (both parties agree), or is it?

>>128573211
You do? I barely remember the guy, and I certainly don't remember any butthurt. People were mostly busy memeing about us winning all 3 medals for some ice skating races.

Although I do agree that it makes for a nice story.

>>128580379
I guess the problem is that "fairness" will usually put "fault" on the breadwinner

the 50/50 divide seems fair but it should be over with that. No fault - no relation - no more compensations

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>All these 'hurr you should have kids because if you don't you're dumb even though it's plain to see that having them is a gigantic burden'
/pol/, why don't you try to incentivize having kids rather then mocking those who have picked the fiscally rational choice?

>>128578376
>But i cant blame them. After all, i used to be a materialist and nihilist as well.
Me too. It's a necessary step for many of us. Especially if you grew up feeling your cognition was enough to understand, discern, and manage your immediate perceived reality.
We all find materialism/nihilism eventually leads to ruin though. To darkness and confusion. To meaninglessness and unfulfillment.
It's a long and tough lesson to learn.

>>128580582
If both parties agree then they can come up with their own plan to divide assets/custody. There is no need for no-fault since the dissolving the contract is mutual. Most divorces are contested though.

For example, would you gladly give your spouse half-your assets, full custody of the kids with visitation provisions, child support, and $5,000 a month in alimony?

>>128581032
>/pol/, why don't you try to incentivize having kids

we do. It's the only viable solution.

We do both. Those people who are acting superior are looking only at materialism.
>>128576678
We think they are naive.

>>128581167

first off thanks for explaining this, it usually isn't on here.

>full custody of the kids with visitation provisions, child support, and $5,000 a month in alimony?

this should only be available if I am at fault, right? reads like you are at fault and need to make monthly payments because of this. Why would you still have to "do your part" in a marriage where the spouse has decided she is no longer interested in?

>>128580533

>If they don't want to have kids, they're not intelligent, so good riddance

This is the only thing you got right.

>Also, what the fuck do you want "intelligent" people having kids for?

Intelligence is a proven way to improves ones lot in live. It improves creative and critical thinking.

> Intelligence isn't magically past down from father to son, it depends on the education yo are given.

It IS, intelligence is hereditary but from a mother not a father usually.

>Intelligent people mean shit. The only people who really should be having kids is good looking people.

All things in balance. There is many facets to intelligence but even if you use categorizations General Intelligence (or IQ) usually only improves peoples live. Fat Nerds on 4chan aren't usually intelligent or if they are they have a lot of issues to solve that hinders them being stuck in the situation they are. From my own experience i know a lot of "good looking bodybuilder" type people who have shit in life and end up in a ditch and a lot of "fucking ugly nerds" who own a firm, help the community and have kids. You see shit in black and white.

>>128581032
>money is what i base my life around

Hahahahaha top kike

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>>128575782
That fucking leaf. The pic was taken in Stolipinovo, a gypsy "katun", which is what Vancouver should look like in around 40 years. Google "dinko valev" and let Justin lead you towards total extinction, manlet.

>>128581167
but yeah I didn't really think this through. the previous comment is pretty stupid.

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>>128581555
>this should only be available if I am at fault, right?


See the problem with the law, is these people are not going to bother sitting down and figure anything out like a rational human being. I know this woman is black but there are plenty of poor white people just like her. You see the single mom with the half nigger kid thread like every other thread. They don't give a fuck what the law is or how much money it cost. They will fuck make kids, fuck fuck fuck fuck

It is irrelevant only in a comedy skit is someone going to sit down with a law agreement before starting sexual actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

>>128581627

>It IS, intelligence is hereditary but from a mother not a father usually.

Gonna need a source for this u faggot

>>128569853
Yes goy, don't have children.
Fuck off kike.

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>>128582600

>>128575584
I didn't know about that theory, but that fits pretty fucking well with what I've been saying about this for a long time.

It's not a biological check, but a social one though.

>>128570395
LOL

>>128569999
And what give life a meaning in your opinion ?

>>128581555
In the States before the 1950s, marriage was seen as a contract and also an institution where children are nurtured and raised under. Essentially it's an institution where "it's bigger than yourself/self-interests". Security not only for the children, but also the State (Economically) which is why the social stigmas existed.

In the 1950s, the courts shifted from being a contract to just being a "religious institution" which did not make a lick of sense since marital partners are engrained in other types of contractual obligations (Banking, rent, mortgages, utilities, etc.). In fact you can essentially crush your spouses credit rating if you wanted to.

If divorce did happen before the 1950s, then whoever broke the contract/trust would be punished. No-fault changed all that and solely blamed the breadwinner. This is unjust and leads to impetuosity.

>>128569689

End socialism, it's the root cause of all this garbage. Millions of years of evolution, no problems like this. A few decades of socialism, collapse and racial replacement/extinction imminent.

>>128569689
Vote democrat so dummies can grt birth control and abortioms free.. fuck

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>>128582600
That is actually accurate you retard

>>128569689
Cut off the welfare state and end the alimony bullshit. Let those who cannot take care of their own die. Government interfered with nature, and this shit needs to be weeded out.

>>128575219
Not wanting children doesn't make you a nihilist, you've made a logical fallacy in the form of your argument. You could argue that all nihilists wouldn't have children due to their beliefs, but not all people who don't want children are nihilists.

If you actually read my argument it's not that I don't think there's a point to the joy of having kids, I'm just saying that it's not an efficient way to experience joy because it comes with a substantial amount of baggage.

Arguments like "perish" are arguments to keep your genetic lineage alive, which aren't logical arguments, they're appeals to emotion

>>128569689
Merge with immortal machines and rule over the dumb brown masses.

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>>128582990
Pretty great statement, but you think this woman would understand a word you just fucking said? >>128582362

Talk about cutting off your nuts to spite some sluts.

>>128569689
>How do we fix this?

Elect politicians who can run a budget without having to rape mens wallets in family court.

>>128583231
well, I disagree with this. Your post actually reads like that of a NEET: "Sure having a job would allow you to buy things that give you joy but it's not worth all the baggage that's associated with it".

Also how is keeping your people alive not a logical argument? Do you also think strengthening the economy is not a logical argument because it's mostly a feel that has nothing to do with you?

>>128569689
smart people don't chop their balls of my man

this is natural selection

>>128583366
Females want to feel/legally protected to be "empowered". Of course a lot of these at-fault laws where lobbied by wealthy men who wanted to marry trophy wives. They figured no-fault would be a less economic hit since the wife would get more assets and alimony under at-fault. Oklahoma, a supposed "morally-straight Christian" State was the first to establish no-fault because a bunch of nouveau riche oil men wanted to dump their wives for blonde bimbos.

So like the 19th Amendment, it was men that caused that havoc (Half-joking)

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>>128583404
>Elect politicians

Listen to them talk about it, they are not really interested in fixing the problem. They want to make public statements for sound bites to get on the news. They just like almost all government employees are useless. They are not there to fix they are there to be in power and soak up steady income.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb-LFxQ3Vlo

>>128569853
Yes goyim vibrant Africans and Muslims will provide us with all the children we need

>>128583608
Well baggage is somewhat of a relative/subjective term, because we all have different preferences and tolerances.

For example I happen to be lucky enough to have a decent IQ which means that work for me is easy, I'm an IT Director with a really good salary and find my work fairly enjoyable so I get a kick from solving complex problems.

There's some NEETs who are low IQ and can't do complex jobs, they're stuck working in manual labour jobs which are often extremely hard and unrewarding. I could imagine staying on benefits and being NEET myself if I had basically no opportunities to do something worthwhile with my life.

What possible reason could I have for "keeping my people alive", and when I say a reason, I don't mean something that appeals to emotion, I mean an actual practical reason.

Children only benefit future society they don't benefit us right now, at least not those of us who are self sufficient, successful and can accrue assets to pay for their retirement.

>>128569689
>being a domesticated animal
>breeding more chattel for your Jewish masters

Why? It's like you have no dignity whatsoever.

>>128569689
Man, I can attest to this. As much as I love my sister, she was an absolute degenerate moron. But still managed to have a child and cleaned up. Some can do it

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>>128581284
>we do. It's the only viable solution.
>We do both. Those people who are acting superior are looking only at materialism.
How? I'm not seeing it.

Where's the fiscal compensation for one of the adults having to not be in the workforce while taking care of a kid full time?

Where is the basic protections from a Family Court Systems, which are set up to suck all the money from those who get trapped within it while sending your kid to be fostered with 10 others?

And speaking of Family Court, why should I lay my head down with the guillotine of child support hovering over my neck if my spouse decides that this marriage is simply not for them?

All I see is people like you going "xD what loo000osers, they love money more then kids" when the system at this point is fucking set up to ruin your life at arbitrary random moments.

How about YOU fix that shit first cunt, then I'll consider procreation.

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>>128569689
Serves you brainiacs right. Us dummies will soon vastly outnumber you and there is nothing you can do about it.

Even people of middling intelligence are having less kids. heh

>>128584511
>What possible reason could I have for "keeping my people alive", and
>when I say a reason, I don't mean something that appeals to emotion, I mean an actual practical reason.

there are none if you are selfish

otherwise there obviously are

>Children only benefit future society they don't benefit us right now, at least not those of us who are self sufficient, successful and can accrue assets to pay for their retirement.

you might even see some of them grow up to pay your pensions if you're not that old

society, though, is a collective thing. a rational decision right for society would often or even most of the time not be a good decision for your individual interest

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>>128584102
Well, hows that working out?

>>128584840

Yeah what I meant is that /pol/ would like to see a change in incentives, not that they exist.

The fact that everyone in the US - including minorities - has their birthrates plummeting, speaks volumes.

>>128584511
>Children only benefit future society they don't benefit us right now,

You claim to have a high IQ, but you can't seem to think far ahead (to you dying alone).

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>>128569999
include me in screencap!

well its only logical since all white women 18-30 fuck only black guys because of their size down there :) so later when they had enough "fun" they want to settle down for a white loser and it seems white losers are rly this insecure and trying to deny white women a kids only because they enjoyed their lifes to fullest during young age. sad.

>>128569689
End the welfare state

>>128569689

>Hampton
>intelligence

Op s a dumb cunt. -lose some weight, bitch.

Sage

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>>128576230
Yeah, let's not continue your bloodline supported by a stable structure. Nope! We will just let the poor uneducated masses continue to grow.

>>128584145
sadly enough, this is mostly true.

>>128584878
Right, I'm selfish because I put my own pleasure and quality of life above other peoples, but isn't that rational for me to do?

Basically everyone does this in almost all other aspects of their lives, you'll spend money on yourself before you'll spend it on someone else. You'll buy yourself a new TV, you won't buy me one, right?

The only reason it's different for having children is that first we have a biological impulse to have them, and especially as men that's really just the impulse to have sex. And now with modern contraception we can do that and not have the side effect which is pregnancy and child care.

>>128584878
>you might even see some of them grow up to pay your pensions if you're not that old
But I don't need that, I can save the money I'd otherwise spend on having kids, an estimated £230,000 on average, from 0 to 21 years of age. Although way more for a good earning like myself due to likely private schools, private healthcare etc.

Right, but I'm not a society, I'm an individual, and the consequences of not having children aren't felt until after I'm dead, so why should I care about any of them?

>>128585236
Worrying about dying alone is again appeal to emotion, not actually an argument. I did specifically ask for reasons that aren't appeals to emotion.

>>128573214
> still hasn't sorted himself out
What the fuck the fuck are you waiting for

>>128585408
>end the welfare state
Modify this. Revoke the right of welfare recipients to vote.
You would see shit change extremely quickly.

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>>128584511
>rationally speaking, the baggage of having children outweigh the benefits

>well "baggage" is subjective

>>128586719
Us to turn into Brazil

>>128569853

Why do the Jews keep telling whites to not have children, yet they keep having children themself?

The implications are severe enough.

>>128586400

>Right, I'm selfish because I put my own pleasure and quality of life above other peoples, but isn't that rational for me to do?

Actually, yes! This is definition of being selfish you dolt. Its not if its a rational or irrational thing to do and if it is its really short-sighted rationality so it looks more like impulsive thinking you are trying to avoid.

>You'll buy yourself a new TV, you won't buy me one, right?
This is a strawman.


The only reason it's different for having children is that first we have a biological impulse to have them, and especially as men that's really just the impulse to have sex. And now with modern contraception we can do that and not have the side effect which is pregnancy and child care.

With this pure biological point of view if we really are just programmed to have babies we also acquire resources for partner/children. Why on earth you are hoarding so much shit just to die with it alone?

Living this hedonistic way isn't natural. Its a quirk of a mind emerging from certain environmental and psychological factors. It is rational in a way but it is WRONG.
And if you really think this way you are brainwashed and pushed into it. You are high on fucking dopamine and you are literary Jewed right now. Congratulation's.

Well I don't want to reproduce with any women from my country.
British women are repulsive. They are degenerate.
If it isn't a British woman here than it is an immigrant who can't speak the English language. And the ones who CAN speak the English language are also a no for me as I don't want to contribute to their shitty heritage settling itself in my cucktry.

If you're smart, you won't want a child. But if you really want one you should be intelligent enough to check your income and neighbourhood and understand if both factors are suitable for your child to grow up in.
Africa pisses me off a great amount for that reason. Despite the women who are raped and impregnated there, the ones who get pregnant on purpose are selfish and incredibly cruel. How dare they bring a child into the world so they can drink dirty water, work to the bone, get ebola and die in agony? It's pathetic and highly unintelligent.

As for the stupid people popping out kids like crazy, let them take the burden and suffer.
If it were up to me I would set a certain annual income which is slightly above the minimum wage so that if you are NOT meeting the income level you are not allowed to have a child.
This will stop immigrants from coming here and breeding like rabbits and it will stop the stupid and unworthy brains who are in a minimum wage job from spreading their babies about.

It mostly comes down to women though, they're the ones who want children most of the time.

>this thread is people criticizing others for not having kids and letting the jews win
>when they themselves don't and wont have children
Incels need to stop posting.

>>128587586

then why are you posting?

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>>128569999
What if I'm not a nihilist but don't want kids?

>>128587688
epic retort /b/ro

>>128586400
First of all, I think its a good thing that you, and people like you, are abstaining from father/motherhood. You have my endorsement.

But one thing bothers me about your argument.

If everyone tried to maximize their pleasure, (the "rational" implication of which is a childfree life), obviously humanity would die out.

And obviously, you cannot maximize your pleasure if you were never born in the first place.

Is your argument that you leave the breeding to others and only care about your own pleasure?

Or are you claiming that your position is universal, since you claim it is based on rational deduction?

>>128587980

epic reading comprehension /b/ro

it was a question you homosexual afro-american

>>128570395
That's literally anti-nihilist.

>>128569689
>How do we fix this?
We stop forcing smart people to pay for the kids of dumb people by ending the welfare state. Then smart people will have more money over and they will start a family

Fix the family courts. If you can offer me basic protections for my kids and my self, I'll have kids. Till then, I'm not subjugating myself or any potential kids to that racket.

>>128587759
Chances are you're a nihilist without knowing it.

Chances are that you're reasons for not wanting children are based on faulty presuppositions.

>>128576083
>I posted a bunch of stuff critical of Muslims after the latest attack and only lost one friend. Perhaps the normies are slowly starting to wake up
Chances are people aren't even seeing your post.

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>>128569689
Yes goy, only stupid people have children.

Choose one, men:

1) get married to a woman who will never be happy with you or the paycheck you bring home and who can decide at any time to falsely accuse you of abuse, take 70% of your stuff and prevent you from seeing your children while collecting thousands of dollars a month from you

2) stay unmarried and unburdened, fucking random women when you feel like it, pursuing your career choices and moving anywhere in the world, spending time with friends and having your own hobbies


Women pretty much ruined western society.

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Jewess from last night, who wants them?

>>128588920
>All the women are the same
I can smell the cheetos and mountain dew.

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>>128584511
Mate all of your comments read like they were written by pic related,

>>128587262
This guy gets it.

>>128588920

>2)...

why and for what end tho?

sound simple minded and desperate
its also usually something people who didn't have their needs meet in an adolescence act out without thinking and then rationalize

also if you blame women for everything you are heavily biased, why do you do to fix the issue? nothing, you run away

>>128588920
Fuck it might as well give my name to some spoiled brats

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>>128569999
this

>>128586745
Yeah it is, I've already said that. Some people enjoy menial tasks like cleaning up after children, I personally do not, that's just a burden for me. So it's something you have to weigh up based on your own tolerances.

Part of the equation when you try and justify children, if you're smart enough to actually consider the tradeoffs, is things like can your children look after you in later life. If you're somewhat poor then it's maybe a good trade off to have lots of kids and hope one or more has a decent IQ and earns a good living and can take care of you.

For people with a lot of money, which goes back to the OPs point, intelligence (IQ) correlates very highly with success in life and we know for a fact that intelligent people are having less babies. And that makes sense because people with decent amount of assets will live a better life investing those assets early on, instead of spending them on children, and then later in life living off the return.

>>128587262
Yeah I'm not questioning the definition.

>>128587262
>This is a strawman.
No it's not. I'm pointing out that people act selfishly in other areas of their lives and generally do not have a problem with it, which is true and I gave an example of that. It no more bothers me being called selfish for not having children than it bothers you being called selfish for not buying me a new TV.

>>128587262
>Why on earth you are hoarding so much shit just to die with it alone?
I actually don't horde stuff, I'm not overly materialistic although I do enjoy the finer things in life, I actually live quite minimalistically compared to what my Salary allows. Hording assets is done to offer finacial security in later life, it means I can afford to support myself through my retirement.

Dying alone isn't something that bothers me, again this is an emotional argument. It's an appeal to peoples fear of dying alone.

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>>128588920
>get married to a woman who will never be happy with you or the paycheck you bring home and who can decide at any time to falsely accuse you of abuse, take 70% of your stuff and prevent you from seeing your children while collecting thousands of dollars a month from you

A woman will only do that if you display feminine behaviour. Then her biological impulses will tell her to seek out a more suitable mate to maximize the health of her offspring.

If you, on the other hand, display masculine behavour, she will be your loyal friend to the grave.

Im serious.

>>128570395
>there is no grand scheme or greater purpose
Wrong.
The problem is that people don't KNOW what the grand scheme/greater purpose is. Every single religion on Earth (and a large amount of political ideologies as well) are attempts by man to find meaning. Of course, it's all bullshit, and to assume that any one man heard the word of God is hubris beyond belief. Why would an omnipotent God show himself to a single tribe on a single world in an infinite universe and choose THEM as his people (Jews); why would an omnipotent God give a mandate to a very specific group of people to spread "His" word by the sword (Muslims); why would an omnipotent God send his son to die on a cross just to reanimate him three days later and tell his followers to spread this news to all four corners of the world (Christians)?

Man never heard the word of God, he hears his own desires and projects them as the word of God.

Jews aren't chosen for shit, Muslims aren't chosen for shit and Christians aren't chosen for shit.

Every person must find his purpose himself, and any man who presumes to tell you your purpose (aka all known religions) is a liar, a fraud and sees himself your master.
God doesn't care about humans, we are a single speck of sand on an eternally long beach, and we aren't special in any way, shape or form.

Deal with it.

>>128570395
>Nihilism isn't being a depressed sack of shit.
>It's just accepting that life is pointless, there is no grand scheme or greater purpose.
yes, that's why nihilism is viewed upon as baby tier philosophy.

start with the Greeks kiddo

>>128569689
Save your semen in a sperm bank?

>>128574667
>tfw too intelligent to have offspring
I cant wait for you cuck traitors to die out. Its such a good thing that you "muh im 2 smart" retards will get out of the genepool.

>>128589622
>dying alone is an emotional argument
No it is a probable consequence and should be taken into account when considering not having children. Realistically, most of the people you know will die one by one at old age, since they're the same age as you.
You can have all the financial assets for your retirement you want, that doesn't affect the risk of being alone and miserable at old age though.

>>128569689

Stupid people fuck and spawn because the environment favors it. Welfare, abundance of food, etc.

This environment is artificial, funded with taxation and the printing of Fiat currency. This is unsustainable.

One day, pretty soon, the gibs run out and the entire system will collapse under its own weight. When this happens, those who rely upon gibs will tear each other apart for the resources they need to survive. They will kill each other, they will starve, they will die.

It's a self correcting problem. The more prudent, "rainy day" mindset sort of people will fare well. Be armed and ready though: some of the dumb savages will come for your food, water and armament. Have a network of like minded people whom you can trust and join in enclaves.

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>>128570284

>anecdotes

>>128569853
>b-but muh culture

>>128569999
>nihilism
>trap
How can the truth be a trap?

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The truth about immigration, by the numbers:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Ojbi6lXQI

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)

>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>128589622

Fair enough.

But everything aside aren't you at least a bit worried you actually might have issue with dying alone later in life? If you can successfully manage your resources to support yourself through your retirement you are definitely able to see long term. Shouldn't you at least consider different possibilities concerning your mental and emotional health? No amount of money for example would help you out with heavy disability you need a career and someone from your family needs to be one or at least arrange contractor one for you.

>>128589622
Your argument rests on the following premises (which you have not provided proof for):

1: Pursuing activities that provide enjoyment with minimal effort is good.

2: Pursuing acitivites that necessitate effort before enjoyment is bad.

As far as i understand, the psychological and biological sciences have not been able to show that pleasure-seeking (what we might call hedonism) consistently lead to an increase in quality of life.

In fact, the contrary seems to be the case, that hard work in pursuit of a goal leads to greater long term enjoyment than low-effort pursuits.

On a biological level this is of course, among other things, associated with dopamine receptors and their depletion.

I could go into the metaphysics of it, but i suspect thats not "rational" enough for you.

>>128569689

>Stupid people

The problem is non-whites are breeding too much and whites are not breeding enough.

You fix this by not being MGTOW, crypto-jew, permavirgin, or a person obsessed with their own ideology.

Have children. Shills on here bitching about children do so to comfort themselves from their own virginity.

>>128589622
You are talking like a very immature person. You see children as a weight that you have to carry around and not as a extension of yourself that you can try to shape.
I don't get why you keep trying to talk like you are some kind of robot when you are a human. You can reach old age and just life because you have money, but then what? Playing golf and writing a shitty book, while you grown bitter due to the lack of human interaction?
I am not saying that your position is stupid, is just that I think that living life is more than just staying alive.

>>128588990
looks trans and fat

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>>128590290
http://www.strawpoll.me/13118150
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>>128590447

>How can the truth be a trap?

proofs pls
or at least elaborate why you think nihilism is true state of affairs so do speak

>>128570395
This. Bill Hicks put it perfectly: life is just a ride, so grab the best seat you can get and enjoy it.

I find it especially enjoyable to see all those plebs who aim to find meaning suffer and sometimes I like to fuck them over just for the fuck of it.

>>128590749

he's a virgin trying to cope with his virginity

They try to add some complex front but there's really not that much to it

They're either weak or virgins. Not sure why they're HERE, but they are. If you reply to them you just give them their precious (you)'s