CERN BUILDING A NEW COLLIDER 3X SIZE OF LHC

>>128542365
waste of money

>>128542574
>>128542574
fpbp

>>128542574
Didn't the LHC costs hundreds of millions?
This thing could cost a TRILLION dollars
They must be looking for something real important

>>128542365
Unscientific people FEAR particle-colliders.
>my portals
>my black holes
>my underpants

>>128542574
Substitutes For Conventional War
Report From Iron Mountain, Like Pyramid building it consumes $$$ wealth / resourses , so status quo is kept stable , managable by rulers.

>>128543369
they admit they are creating black holes you Polish mongoloid

>>128543574
So what, you paranoid brainlet?

/sci/ here

LHC is widely regarded by the scientific community as both a success and a massive disappointment. it failed to revolution physics in any meaningful way and only discovered the Higgs that the standard model already predicted

>>128543670
I want to know what the fuck they are doing and why the fuck is it worth a trillion dollars

>>128543369
>my

>>128543574
They evaporate almost instantly. You have to make a blackhole pretty massive for it to not evaporate. The energy levels in LHC aren't high enough to create the kind of mass to make a planet destroying blackhole.

>>128543835
prediction means shit.

>>128543918
>muh

Oh no scarwy science man making evil machines again :(

I mean, fuck them right? Lets spend all our money on military to fight wars we'll never win.

>>128543574
>they admit they are creating black holes you Polish mongoloid
they say the exact opposite

https://press.cern/backgrounders/safety-lhc
>According to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity, it is impossible for microscopic black holes to be produced at the LHC.

>MUH PARTICLES
OK, seriously, when is last time science has done something tangible for us? Like, has science done anything in useful in the last decade or so? Science is seriously slacking off. They better make their precious particles do something cool next time.

I always wonder how these things get built. Can a regular contractor be put in charge of that?

>>128543835
This can be the only reasonable conclusion. If they need a bigger one this one was a massive failure

>>128543911
Going to tinfoil real quick here.
>Tests LHC, find out it is capable of immense destruction.
>Hey we can weaponize this
>If we(EU) build a big enough one, we can threaten to destroy the planet if people don't give into our demands.
>Fourth Reich

>>128542365
el. psy. congroo

what's the roi

>>128542365
these scientists just wasting more money all they need to do is open the bible

>>128544134
That's a giant cheapo, if there is such a thing. My guess is that it is a lot more serious than that.

>>128544038
the fuck if they do! They admit that they make millions of tiny black holes. This isn't even argued

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>>128542365
Modern physics in a nutshell

>>128544157
Fucking d-mails ruining the world again

>>128542822
>millions

Good one. Billions.

>>128544318
>i have no sauce
i literally provided you a link from their website you dense fuck

>>128543936

they were hoping to find something unexpected because the standard model as it currently exists is a scientific dead end

>>128544318
They do but they dissipate as soon as they're made. It takes unfathomable amounts of energy to create one that's substantially destructive.

>>128543423
Is it really a problem? Smashing even more particles together is more productive than killing each other over stupid reasons.

>>128543936
That's exactly the point, all that was discovered was something that was already explained and expected, it wasn't something unexpected, hence it didn't revolutionize physics.

>>128544063
I know right? Theoretical physics has given us nothing in 100 yrs

The current doorway wasn't quite big enough for the demons to fit through

>>128544440
Does that mean we'll never explore the stars and shoot alien dindoos

>>128544063
>MUH WEED
OK, seriously, when is last time Canada has done something tangible for us? Like, has Canada done anything in useful in the last decade or so? Canada is seriously slacking off. They better make their precious leaves do something cool next time.

>>128542365
Don't worry, black science guy will dumb it down for all of us

>>128544614

probably not, at the rate we're going. the human lifespan is too short to explore anything without superluminal travel

ayyy lmaos could still come to us tho

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LHC is the third gen collider right? Each early gen providing boost to the next. So is this fourth installment going to work with the others, or is it a solo project?

>>128544361
my bad..you know what I was getting at

>>128543835
Why hasn't it done anything more though? The thing was just fucking built.

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>>128542365
>academia finding elaborate ways to burn vast sums of money
not remotely surprised

>>128544550
Demons are THICC

>>128544816
lol

>>128544245
yes, open the bible and throw it into the ocean.

da fuck, even colliders are following smartphone upgrade schedules

I'll just wait for the LHC 5s

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>>128544649
We're the world's leader in matters of tolerance. We were the first postnational state.
Just nuke us already.

>>128544776

it's constantly being taken offline for repairs and calibrations. everything happens very slowly and it takes forever to parse the petaflops of data it generates every day

>>128544813
They are among us

>>128542365
probably looking for Japanese shaman girls.

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>>128542365
Hey this money should be going to feeding Muhammad's eight kids! Who do those europeans think they are?

>>128542365

>failing economics
>paying for mud people
>let's build shit that will possibly lead to discoveries that may be useful decades in the future at best

LOL

t. phd in physics ain't even larping

>>128544063
>OK, seriously, when is last time science has done something tangible for us?
https://media.giphy.com/media/ZJ4tB7mqOtwiI/giphy.gif

It's better at getting laid than you are LMAO

>>128544963
There's a lack of scientists to analize that data. They need moar physicists.

>>128542365
I can't wait till the opening ceremony!

>>128545082
Well we better start now so it'll be useful earlier

>>128542365
>Do we now have many years before we have to worry about these crazy fuckers destroying the planet?

worry about terrorists destroying other peoples lives before you worry about science that you do not understand.

>>128542365
How big of hardons do they need to collide here? This shits getting gayer than AIDS

>>128542365
THREE TIMES THE BUTTHURT

enjoy anti leftist memery op

>>128545166

you'll have full socioeconomic collapse far before that point

>>128542365
Honestly, scientists killing us all by colliding atoms that could create a blackhole sounds like a bitchin way to go out.

>>128545195
don't tell me what to do

>>128544063
Biology is expanding at an insane rate. Genomics is in a crazy position rn thanks to modern computers and its only going to get bigger, the fields in a boom

>>128543964
Or we could spend it on that wall

>>128542365
Some poor Russian basterd was changing a light bulb in one of those things when his head got pierced by a proton. Look it up.

/pol is the board where the future of the race is at stake, so you need to have children, but coming up with the science our children will enjoy is retarded

> /pol

>>128542365
Why didn't they build it 3 times bigger the first time?

>>128542365
>Was LHC an epic fail?
No, they did what they set out to do, find the Higgs boson.

>>128545166
>implying it will ever be useful if shitskins inherit the earth.
They'll blow up the planet with it once it's in their hands.

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>>128544134
>Can threaten to destroy the planet if people don't give into our demands
>"Lol, not like we'll get caught or anything"

>>128545496
Actually not a bad idea on second thought.

>>128542365
>Why is CERN at the Bilderberger meeting?
>This happens

kek

>>128544440
>the standard model as it currently exists is a scientific dead end
Hardly, it's pretty amazing if you comprehend it properly.

>>128544134
Wouldn't make any sense, something like the LHC with the amazing sounding 13 TeV is actually just 2.08283e-6 Joules. Literally, even your farts have more energy than that, you waste magnitudes of energy far higher than that by just moving your joints.

The only reason those effects are seem is due to the extremely high energy density, and this amount of energy is only meaningful because of that, due to it being applied to a very small area (ie very small, very light particles), and it's not even to only one particle, it's divided between two particles going in opposite directions.

If anyone wants threaten destruction, there's nukes already.

>>128543835
>>128544063
Biochemist here
Sometimes it takes decades for a breakthrough to really be understood and be applied to technology. The electron was discovered in 1897. I'm sure people were saying whoopdyfuckindoo when it first happened. But understanding the behavior of the electron is what allowed us to make things like semi-conductors which make microprocessors possible.

I think further understanding of subatomic particles could result in future breakthroughs that are as important as computers are for us today.

Then there are fields like fusion which have the potential to generate nearly limitless amounts of low cost electricity. We can get fusion reactors to work now, but only for like 10 seconds before they have to be shut down because they are so hot. Nobody has yet gotten one to run long enough to generate more power than it takes to start up. But scientists do think it is feasible.

My education is mostly in biochem and genetics. I think we are on the verge of a genetic revolution. I think we will see the cure for many diseases and possibly all types of cancer in the next few decades. Once we can totally control a genome and edit DNA completely there is almost no limit to what can be done. But it also raises all kinds of ethical questions.

And then you have people like Elon Musk who wants to die on Mars and is making rockets that could seriously accomplish that goal. Colonizing another planet would be a huge step.

I think science is on the verge of doing lots of amazing things.

But seriously, where the fuck is my flying car and sex slave robot?

>>128544134
>Gigantic vulnerable structure that doesn't work if any part of it is breached/damaged
yeah, that'll work real well dipshit

>>128545591
I heard one physicist talk about how the energy of the impacts in the LHC is the equivalent of a mosquito running into you.

>>128542365
Just don't make any micro singularities, you rascals.

Planetary spagettification is a hell of a drug.

>>128542365
http://milesmathis.com/higgs.pdf
http://milesmathis.com/higgs2.pdf
http://milesmathis.com/higgs3.pdf
admitted that their supercomputers all over the world are used for, among other things, “the generation and detailed detector simulation of Monte Carlo (MC) event samples.” at least some physicists working at the LHC were not happy with the math and models being used. A major part of that math turns out to be Monte Carlo random sampling, which is a “crude” math that physicists use only when they are desperate. Basically, when your physical models have proved to be incapable of worthwhile predictions, Monte Carlo is used to force the data to show you something out of nothing. I discovered that some of the physicists and engineers at LHC knew enough of this sort of math to realize that Monte Carlo meant the famous theorists were lost and were rolling dice.
The rest of section 4 is a description of computer simulations. It should concern you that so much of the Higgs search has depended on computer modeling. Computer modeling is notoriously suspect even in the firmest fields, since it encourages and abets faking. But here in particle physics, which is not at all firm, modeling is used in the same way Monte Carlo is, to manufacture whatever the theorist or modeler wishes to have. It is used to back-engineer and forward-engineer virtual data, and the experiments themselves are then fit to the models. Of course this is upside-down, since the data should be primary. You can almost always find a way to fit data into a model after the fact, but since any number of other models could also force the data to fit

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>>128542365
>trying to bring us back to the original timeline now that Trump has hijacked this one

>>128542365
large hadron collider was offensive to obese people so the new one will be referred to as the Healthy Hadron Collider

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>>128542778
No it isn't, you fucking brainlet.

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>>128545037

>>128545837
>A major part of that math turns out to be Monte Carlo random sampling, which is a “crude” math that physicists use only when they are desperate.
That's not what MC is. It's just a way to efficiently explore the parameter space of your model.

>>128542365
Looks like they need more power to open the gate to hell.

>>128545082
>Linear Algebra was fucking useless for 100 years
>revolutionized the world to the extent of using this basket weaving forum as a means of telling everyone "well I got mine"
fuck off cuck. I care about my future lineage virginfag

http://milesmathis.com/phycor.html
PHYSICS IS CORRUPT
this corruption is not limited to science. The modern world is corrupt in all ways, at all levels. Banking, the stock market, politics, education, economics, we all know the stories there.
most people would not admit the same of physics. Physics has always been the queen of the sciences, touted from the beginning as the most pure. Somehow this cloak of purity has kept its threads over the centuries, protecting physics from its ultimate collapse. The magazines have run a successful interference for physics in recent decades, convincing the gullible mainstream with press releases and pretty pictures and big claims of relevance. But physics is no different from banking or art. I have shown that it has suffered the same precipitous decline in quality and scruple. We may assume its Watergate or Climategate is just around the corner. The Large Hadron Collider may be the required scandal.

>>128545496
>better not advance our species, niggers might benefit
niggers are who we sell the tech to, to line our pockets. Stop being short sighted.

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>>128542365
A "super LHC" has been planned for many years, physicists are always going to want to explore higher energy collisions and that means bigger accelerators. But the LHC was a big success and will continue to do useful science, probably for decades, with upgrades and new detectors. It's very useful to have several high energy accelerators so they can crosscheck each other's findings.

>>128542365
cern was fail, now it's ALL IN, string fags want to find the fucking Super symmetry, if they make the 3x bigger collider and find super symmetry then it will be all good, if not then it would be really bad.

>>128542365
A few years ago, I read something about what CERN is doing. Particularly, there was some concern that certain collisions would create "mini" black holes. The concern was what would happen if the black holes were created and didn't dissipate immediately, like they were theorized to do. Would the evaporate, or would gravity simply pull them towards the core, where they'd sit until Earth's destruction?

Every time I think about CERN and about future CERN-like facilities, I get worried about unforeseen consequences. I'm not nearly smart enough to understand if "permanent black holes" are even possible, but when scientists start fucking with physics, it bothers me a bit. Then again, understanding how space works, and paving the way towards a multi-planet species, is one of the most fascinating things in life.

Anyway, does anyone else get concerned with CERN and their experiments?

>>128546447
Niggers need to be killed.
We don't need them in any way.
I do like the idea of a planet killswitch that gets tripped when they take control though.

>>128545658
Engineers be smurt.

Time Travel

>>128546097
black holes are entirely philosophical, not theorized scientifically

>>128546286
>Physics is corrupt
Just stop. Physics is a pillar of white culture, and ingenuity. It still remains so. Point your hate towards sociology, that is the jew science.

>>128545757
Pretty much, but since the energy is very concentrated on very fast moving particles, if you shoved yourself on the way it'd feel like getting hit by a very very very tiny atomic sized railgun, I don't know if it'd be enough to cause a physical hole to appear, but certainly expect damage, especially due to the radiation.

ex:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186999-what-happens-if-you-get-hit-by-the-main-beam-of-a-particle-accelerator-like-the-lhc

>>128546269

k den

why don't you move to yurop then. I'm sure it will be beautiful 100 years from now :)

>>128546286
Not saying that physics isn't corrupt, but believe me when I tell you, you don't want to be quoting Miles-"pi equals 4"-Mathis.

>>128545837
I did lots of protein structure simulations using monte carlo sampling. Protiens literally have thousands of degrees of freedom. There are thousands of bonds that can have very tiny fluctuations in conformation. We used known protein structures to act as a template for the structure of unknown proteins. You find a protein that is similar in a region (domain) and use that as a template, then find another protein that is similar in another region (domain) and use that as a template. Everything is pasted together into a crude prediction of the protein in question. Then we used monte carlo to randomly move all the bonds a little bit literally millions of times. We had grants to use some of the most powerful supercomputers in the world such as Bluegene clusters.

We look at all the millions of simulations and score them all based on how optimally all the bonds are arranged and find the lowest energy conformation. This usually turned out to be quite accurate and the resulting structure could be confirmed through experiments like Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. We could prove that certain hydrogens were indeed adjacent to each other once we knew what to look for.

TLDR: Monte Carlo isn't bullshit and can produce very valid results if used right.

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>>128543369
>Unscientific people

>>128546606
>not theorized scientifically
>what's general relativity
They are theorized straight out of GR, and certainly are used to explain certain phenomena on the universe. They aren't, however, confirmed.

>>128546606
wut
I see where you are coming from. But black holes are backed by a mathematical model of how mass behaves when there is a lot of it. I can say though, it is still at a point were we have a good idea of how it works, however the theory will likely be revised a few more times before a longer term acceptance of how it works comes into play. Kinda like how gravity is basically what I like to call a 300 year block of acceptance. We have little to no chance of changing the theory until the next Einstein comes along and wrecks shop.

>>128542365
They are already at 99.9999999% The speed of light. Why the fuck do they need more money other than to keep everyone in a fucking job over there?

>>128543934
So let's build one 7 times more powerful. Makes sense.

>>128546904
>screenshot of an article written with the sole purpose to explain what that quote actually meant and dispel fearmongering
Excellent job, burger: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a11217/what-stephen-hawking-really-said-about-destroying-the-universe-17192502/

>>128547057
excellent point. How much faster can they possibly go?

>>128546618
>tfw einstein was a jew

>>128547270
How many 9's can you add

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What if they make a collider that goes all the way around the moon?

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>>128547036
>>128546606

WTF are you guys talking about? Black holes have been observed. We have literally located the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way and can watch stars whip around it in extremely high speed and tight orbits.

pic related
The Star icon is the black hole. Look at how the stars whip around it.

>>128546756
Because I want to work on research that can decentralize networks and put them into the hands of the consumer, ancap style. I Still make a buck, but let the owner of my projects reap the benefits without government OR large cuckoration intervention. It betters everything about us, including self reliance.

>>128546904

Solar particles are hitting our atmosphere at energies incredibly higher than the LHC. A false vacuum collapse could happen at any moment in any portion of the universe with a star... especially during a super- or hyper- nova. Which means it's probably not a real thing.

The point of the matter is that Hawking was not fear-mongering about the LHC. He was only talking about the boson they were trying to find and properties it could have.

>>128547041
ok so you just proved my point, and I will remain skeptical

>>128547284
>tfw Newton is the father of our science and no Jew can take that from us, and was based af

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>>128546097

>>128546539

yeah I do get concerned but this is essentially yolo stuff man, you cant overthink it too much. it would be nice however if we at least has humans on another planet so that our entire species doesnt die off forever by one mistake

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>>128545858
lel, have a (You)

>>128547390
You are talking to a sea of Infowars fags. You have to reason with them by appealing to their pride.

>>128547390
that is just a 3-d rendering on a computer, what is the source of that "observation"

>>128547057
To make it go faster.

>>128546808

>We used known protein structures to act as a template for the structure of unknown proteins.

Fuck off with your in silico bullshit. You're just working a simulation on a simulated protein. Crystallise a protein for real first and let's talk.

t. protein crystallographer master race

>>128547479
Great! but make sure your skepticism has a mathematical basis, or you are just being contrarian for the fuck of it.

>>128542574
This. Better invest in bigger MOABs to glass the arabs.

>>128547169
It would have to be hundreds of millions times more powerful and larger than the orbit mars. You're far more likely to be killed by something preventable than you are by a blackhole created in a particle collider.

>>128542822
>They must be looking for something real important
A portal to escape this earth they've doomed to the ebon-skinned hordes.

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>>128547428

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>>128547704
>>128546808
can't we have one fucking thread that doesn't get derailed into an argument about protein crystallography?

>>128547748
having a mathematical basis for a philosophical concept is not as persuading as some phsyical evidence would be

>>128547397

you're a fucking retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkWiBxWieQU&t=6s

tldr the lhc is a fucking hack and doesnt really work for explaining undiscovered particles, watch fully if you want to learn something red pilling at the level of Dr. Peterson talks

>>128542365
Are they finally building a time machine? Get your history books ready and look out for jelly humans.

>>128548077
checkd

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>>128546539
Higher energy collisions than we can possibly generate happen naturally all the time, e.g. cosmic rays hitting our upper atmosphere. So if it was possible to make a black hole or convert the universe to "strange matter" that way, it would already have happened.

>>128547886
No. For some reason there's an ridiculously high amount of bio researchers on 4chan.

>>128547886

He started it. Simulations are bullshit

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>>128542365

>>128543423
Flagrant Elephant Bumbershoot Paneling
Virology Effortless Abraxas Malfeasance Horripilation Simonized Epidemiology

>>128547860
You should know better than to think the media doesn't constantly misrepresent science and statements scientists make.

>>128547970
Tell me faggot, where did you get your Ph.D?
also I have a plan to stop monotronics, as well as remove taxation on home security networks, which happens because of false alarms wasting city funds.
This is an option thus far, but it is called a "smart city," and I can hand the power to the consumer. I can also create a shit ton of jobs doing this, by teaching small businesses how to install sensor networks.

Also not an argument, I can see your "PhD" has done you well.

>>128546904
>The entire planet is trashed into a black hole and suffering is no more
Can't wait desu

>>128547704
Not all proteins can be crystallized, many need entire domains chopped off. And proteins such as membrane proteins embedded in your cell membranes need the surrounding lipid bilayer to have their true conformation, which can't be done in a crystal. Using simulations we can study them.

And if you are really a crystallographer then you will know about the CASP competition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASP

Crystallographers agree to withhold publishing their structures for a few months and submit them to the competition instead. Those structures are then used as tests for simulations. Universities compete to see who can create the most realistic simulation. The correct answer is known by the CASP organizers. I was part of the team that won the CASP competition twice.

You sound just like the bitter old cunt that was a crystallographer in my department. She was super intimidated by our simulation team because she thought we sould make her career obsolete. I never saw it like that. I see simulations as just another tool to be used alongside crystals and NMR. The three together can be very powerful.

It is mind blowing going to molecular simulation conferences. It's pretty much people trying to build the Matrix. I consider myself much smarter than the average person, but at those conferences I felt like a dog trying to learn calculus. There are some amazingly brilliant people out there.

>>128547390
True enough. Rather, what we don't know is what the center of black holes actually are, since as they are described in GR we end up with a singularity (and far weirder things if we look at different types of black holes).

We black mesa now

>>128547860

>livescience
>dailyreporter
>cnet
>rt
>disclose.tv (lol what the fuck?)
>dailystar

Are you for real, nigger? Nothing but links of notoriously garbage "news" sources with a habit of taking things out of context. Also, your hand / mouse writing is shit.

>>128542365
How does this thing work and why does size matter

>>128547970

your level of autism seriously questions your ability to even make dents on this fields. as for me, top five three letter acronym school, which might be enough for you to reason through.

>>128548224
>For some reason there's an ridiculously high amount of bio researchers on 4chan.

I'm just a nerd who was coming to 4chan before I ever started studying biology. I never left.

>>128548468
monitronics*

>>128547886

Fucking protein crystallography shills out in force, I swear. HOW MUCH IS SOROS PAYING YOU FUCKERS?!

>>128548678
>replying to your own comment
ignore my autism rn. I am celebrating a divorce, and a potential lawsuit against her for fraud, which is looking pretty spicy at the moment. In other words I am a bit buzzed.

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>>128542365
Shiva wants a bigger portal to bring her demon army through

>>128548484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI

>>128547397
You have been watching too much silicon valley

>>128548678
Also for my field I am as well in a top 5, so whatevs.

>>128549098
Shiva is the good guy though.

>>128544108
>invents aeroplane
>decide to not invent space shuttle

>>128549263
to my understanding she contains binary, rather than embodies one pole

>>128542365
Constantly throughout the universe particles and their respective antiparticles appear and then instantly annihilate each other. This is where there is no such thing as a true vacuum.

Because of this, when you make a tiny black hole, i.e. one that isn't from some large mass like a star, these particles appear as usual, but some of them get sucked into the miniature black hole.

Because of this, their antiparticle has just popped into existence, which means there is an energy imbalance, and as we all know, energy cannot be created or destroyed.

So the antiparticles destroy themselves by taking energy from the miniature black hole.

And thus the black hole dissipates.

You can't make a black hole in a particle collider that has any ability to harm us.

>>128549106
I do watch it, but my gig is an ancap style home security system, where you put in the system yourself, or hire someone to do it for you. No montly payments. No taxes. just an internet connection, a battery, and a cellphone.
>Paying monitronics to call the cops for you when you can do it yourself
is the basis.
I also have more ideas using gold, 32 inch HG pressure, two induction coils, and glass sub-strait for some fashion bullshit, but that sounds like a cancerous field.

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BRAINLETS GET OUT

>>128544361 Only around 5 billion was spent on it.

Meanwhile you idiots spend 700 billion on military almost every year.

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Reminder that a member of CERN attended the secret bilderberg meeting for the first time this year. To my knowledge it is the first time a scientific figure has been known to attend. Coincidence?

>>128549381
I've no idea what you're talking about but Shiva is a dude though.

>>128544550

Yeah, the current LHC is only big enough to slip notes back and forth from hell.

>>128549707
Yes, and if we decided to reign that in, you'd be Russian the day after.

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>>128549666
>substrate
REE

>>128549758
She (male) is literally a god of destruction

>>128549822
PLEASE

>>128547700
Multiple observations over 20+ years from radio telescopes you dumb fuck

>>128548524

Pls. Unless you're a member of the Zhang or Baker group you've no business talking about CASP, and even then you'd be a small fry

My group laughs at simulations because we'd create a homology model of a protein and then compare it to the actual protein structure that we crystallised. The RMSD is like 6A what a joke.

And don't get me started about membrane proteins. You are just too broke to afford cryo-EM facilities and detergents to solubilize the membrane proteins and look at them irl

>>128549729
If CERN is going to build an even larger collider they will need some serious funding, which means kissing the asses of the richest people in the world.

I imagine they want first dibs on any potential new technologies that could emerge from cutting edge particle physics. Like I said before, I think we could uncover technologies that are as revolutionary as the computer chip and semi conductors have been for us in the past 50 years.

>>128549729
>a member of CERN attended the secret bilderberg meeting for the first time this year

Then it was never about any lofty goal, and won't be in the future.

>>128549919
That's your only understanding of him?

>>128547700
fucking brainlet detected

>>128547390
>The Star icon is the black hole
they mean we literally haven't SEEN one you idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7n2rYt9wfU

>>128547860
>Stephen Hawking >Stephen Hawking
>Stephen Hawking >Stephen Hawking
>Stephen Hawking >Stephen Hawking
>Stephen Hawking
who gives a fuck

>>128549822

We spent a trillion dollars on an airplane that can't even win in wargames against older planes.

>>128544134
>we can threaten to destroy the planet if people don't give into our demands.

thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard seeing as, you know, destroying the entire planet would instantly kill them too along with any hope for getting whatever it is they demanded

>>128550052
I worked with Zhangs team before he left the University of Kansas.

>>128550093
Bilderberg? Not about a lofty goal? because a member of CERN attended?

I dont know what goals they have in mind but it could still be lofty if this member of cern knows something that we don't

>>128542365
If it was an epic failure they wouldn't bother with building a bigger one.

The LHC was down for a year for "Repairs and Upgrades" shortly after coming online

I have a feeling it was poorly designed and after initial testing they realized they need something incredibly stronger to really find the exotic interactions they are looking for

What a colossal waste of money

>>128544245
Only if they run out of toilet paper.

>>128544776
lol, particle colliders have a maximum TeV output. Once you've extracted all the information you can from it, you're done.

Same reason we dno't use the Tevatron anymore. W and Z bosons are done, no point wasting more energy on it. This was to find the Higgs Boson, it was found to 7 sigma, the experiment was a success.

Next up, things like supersymmetry.

Will this information ever be useful? Probably not for the species short term. W and Z bosons weren't even useful. We're at a point where the particles are so small now that there's no practical application of the physics, however, we want to find a grand unified theory to see if electroweak force is a thing (aka electromagnetism + weak nuclear force), and eventually to see if a theory of everything is real (aka add in the strong nuclear force).

It may have massive impact way down the line. In the mean time, there are useful unpredictable knock-on effects. e.g. if it weren't for particle detectors, MRI machines would've never been invented because industrial strength magnet production wouldn't have been there. Astronomy has accidentally given us GPS etc. etc.

There's lots of good outputs of science. And really.. if there is a point to existence, or some way to move into other dimensions, or some amazing limitless fuel source we didn't know about, or some other crazy shit that you could never predict, like people 500 years ago could never predict electricity, computers, instant communication, the internet etc, this is a good shout for finding it.

Don't cut funding to sciences, because your life is fucking pointless, everyone's life is pointless, and science is the only thing that makes your pathetic existence potentially worth something and has the chance of giving humanity a legacy, if we didn't fund science all we know for sure is that the sun will burn up our planet and our race is extinct.

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>>128550377
this is why the best planet-killing agent will always be biological in nature. Much easier to control who lives or dies that way. Elites and their chosen few get preventative measure, other 7.5 billion die. Much better than nukes

t. future politician

>>128550213

Well, you can't see them. You can see the accretion disc though.

>t. watched Stargate SG1

>>128549822
Id rather be Russian than cucked by our current Govt + EU.

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Physics should be decided by computer simulations and majority vote.

It works for climate change.

>>128550781
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKSWING?

>>128550453

Thanks for the 6A RMSD structures they're next to useless

You'll forever only see a figment of the truth, behind your desk and fancy clusters

>>128542365
Seems like they found something down there.

The elites really want to talk to their drowned god.

the LHC is lirerally safer than any fission power plant ever made/ever to be made

>>128550719
Oh and also, I forgot.

CERN made the World Wide Web. Now they've made The Grid, which is basically The Internet 2. If you want that shit in your house, don't defund CERN.

>>128550862
>Things will never improve

We did much better than 6A all the time. But I left that field and now work for a small biotech company. I prefer industry to the academic world. It's a lot less stressful focusing on simpler methods that we know work instead of trying to beat our heads against the wall being on the cutting edge of science.

Plus I was in over my head. I barely got my PhD and felt like an idiot half the time. I never claimed to be the best in my field, or even close to the best. I was riding on the shoulders of giants.

>>128542365
If they keep tripling the size it won't be long before we prove the earth is flat

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>coming at the heels of them being at Bilderberg
Okay what the fuck are they up to?

>>128545858
>large hadron collider was offensive to obese people so the new one will be referred to as the Healthy Hadron Collider

Dear god, let this be satire...

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>>128542365
It means they fucked up the timelines in our (/pol/'s) favor.
So now they have to build a bigger one to try and unfuck the timelines and stop /pol/ from meme-ing our wildest dreams into reality.

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>>128550719
No one is thinking of cutting funding to science, just CERN.

You say these thing are not useful to us yet, why not explore them when they are? It's not like things are going to change by then. In other words once particle physics become more and more relevant than upsize CERN.

Look, a member of CERN is known to have attended bilderberg, and the next day they announce a big upgrade. My theory is that this upgrade will be a failure too, and a lot of that money is going somewhere else

>>128542365
when you have infinite money, you can do dumb shit like this just to see what happens
they are probably hoping it will create alerts in God's debug console that something extremely unusual is happening in this part of space, so he'll zoom into this region to fix the problem and find us here instead and start doing some miracle shit

>>128543574
This this this

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>>128550213
>mfw this bitch talks about the barycentre of the galaxy like it's a super massive object....

She's fairly cute though... for a jew.

And i'm talking about her personality/behavior, btw.

>>128543934

Actually, we suspect they evaporate. This has never been confirmed experimentally.

>>128551504
Science is getting cut. There is no way around it. NIH took the biggest hit.

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>>128542365
>spend billions of dollars on a dumb pipe
>science isnt even real
gg europe

>>128545627
>the electron was discovered
Wrong, electrons don't exist and there is still no goddamn proof of them to this day.

>>128543574
they don't even know what a black hole is.

>>128543574
So you're a retard who doesn't even know what a black hole is. It's not possible for a black hole to be created at the particle collider. Why? Because black holes form when a gravitational wells escape velocity exceeds the speed of light. Learn something then come back you fucking nigger.

>>128551199

Fuck off with the impostor syndrome bullshit. You just couldn't bang your head on the wall hard enough and just gave up. Which is fine I guess.

I bet you worship faux scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson too for their wonder for science. And subscribe to ifuckingfakelovescience. You cuck

>>128552625
And you say that because..?

who gives a shit

we need to be building bridges in the midwest not stupid toys for geeks who don't get no pussy

>>128542365
>https://www.sciencealert.com/work-is-already-beginning-on-the-large-hadron-collider-s-replacement

Kid, this LHC project is almost 15 years old and as you probably expected the next leap is always an innovation.
>>128542574
They know how to create mol-sized black holes out of Jodium elements, I call: impressive.

>w-waste of money

Fucking rural retards, how the fuck do you know if its worth it BEFORE doing the research , thats the point of discovery in the first place

>>128543369

Uhm, they fired it. It created mini black holes, memes became real shortly after. All this weird shit started to happen at the end of 2011. The divine consciousness tried to break it 3 times and finally gave up. Now we have dumb shit like Chick-Fil-A and Berenstain bears and live in a bonkers meme world

>>128547760
or u know, better not take the money and kill off jobs in the first place

>>128547802
Yeah man have you watched the leftovers?

>>128542365
holy shit, really?
the LHC is the largest and most complex engineering project done by mankind
and cost hundreds of billions of dollars

how the hell are they gonna fund this?

>>128553570
So what exactly are you getting out of this? Do you enjoy trying to bash me?

Sorry I worked on molecular simulations
Sorry I wasn't the best in my field
Sorry I moved on from the academic world and have a real job now
I'm a real piece of shit, I know...

Feel better about yourself now, asshole?

>>128554137
>They know how to create mol-sized black holes out of Jodium elements, I call: impressive.
W-w-hat if they create a blackhole that wont vanish and can eat the Earth

I swear to god if those bespeckled faggots suck us into a hell dimension I will be ever so cross.

>>128554328
>I've gotten to the point where this isn't unlikely to me
do I need a break or do I not come here enough?

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>>128542365
it can only mean more demons and more chaos

>>128544956
>nuking Canada

But we'll win then.

>>128554671

>maybe he will stop harassing me if I roll over and take it all in
>default to being a cuck

No particular reason. If anything, taking that plebbit-tier smugness out of you was a good outcome

In silico sucks. If you're gonna work on the same thing in your "small biotech" it'll meet the rest of the 90% of startups that go kaput

>>128550066
Kek confirms.

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>>128555989
why are you being so mean?

>>128547169
We get hit by cosmic rays millions of times more powerful than what the LHC is capable of on a daily basis and we're still here. The most damage they do is occasionally flip a bit in a DRAM cell somewhere.

>>128555989
You've got a really bad attitude.

>>128542365
timeline shifts even further into madness

>>128543835
>and only discovered the Higgs that the standard model already predicted
Sasuga /sci/. Predicted =/= proven to be actually exist. And LHC was build to do, amongst other things, exactly that - to prove or disprove that theory.

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to the /sci/ nerds:

I heard that even the most optimistic high energy collisions generated at the LHC are a fraction of the energies of the particle collisions that take place in the high atmosphere on Earth. I wonder if they would be better off finding a way to deploy a sophisticated detector in the high atmosphere instead? I know they do this with balloons but I'm assuming they can't carry an apparatus of comparable complexity..

>>128556219
stop cucking out sweeti

>>128552625
Does it hurt being stupid?

>>128551634
That would be legit funny. Religitards trying to prove their versions of god with some books and superstition. Meanwhile scientists find the existence of the real god by simply DDoSing his playground and luring him out.

>>128556219

>be factual to smug poster
>state real stats
>w-w-why are you so mean anon-kun

Plebbit-tier poster can't say much because he knows what I said is true

>>128556599

Bad is subjective, and welcome to /pol/

>>128555989
>>128556599
>>128554671


I dont know i have to give it to singapore. Sure he's being autistic but the other guy was acting like a pussy.

>>128555989
Who said I'm rolling over? I'm just curious what got you so salty. You sound just like the old woman crystallographer professor I mentioned earlier who had a stick up her ass every time any of presented any of our simulation work. To be honest I think you are just threatened by a technology that could make crystals obsolete.

I never claimed to be the best in my field, I admitted I was a small fry long ago. But you still want to act like I'm some egotistical asshole.

But as I said earlier I don't think crystals will be obsolete. I think simulations are just another tool a researcher can use just like crystals and NMR. Each has advantages and disadvantages. Simulations for drug binding are like 1% the cost of doing a large high throughput screening of a library of thousands of custom compounds. But you seem to be some salty asshole who thinks crystals are the only way to go.

And FYI the company I work for doesn't do protein structure at all. We analyze genomes for animal agriculture, do analysis of meat, tons of custom projects for grocery chains etc.

Did you hear about the horse meat scandal in Europe a few years ago where horse meat was being sold as beef? I was one of the people who helped expose that. There is a huge problem with fish being sold as red snapper when it isn't snapper at all, we test for that. Lots of random stuff.

Stay salty, I need to go to bed. Don't forget to go fuck yourself.

>>128556219
>why are you being so mean?
That's all I'm trying to figure out
I'm thinking there is a cactus stuck up his asshole, but that's just an educated guess.

>>128556555
>The most damage they do is occasionally flip a bit in a DRAM cell somewhere.
Hah, what?

>>128556653
One of the payloads I think they've attached or are about to attach to the ISS are specifically for the purpose of detecting cosmic rays. I know the Dragon launch a couple of days ago had an external science payload in its trunk section that had something to do with high energy observations.

>>128545357
Didnt mexico pay for that. Oh wait no.

>>128556653
Basically you're right they can't carry such apparatus nor even invent it.
A detector is going to be subject to the whims of where and what, that is: where the fuck is the collision happening and what the fuck is colliding?

Detection of this sort of stuff is precise business, focused heavily on microscopic points in space. We don't have the tech to make a detector that can just check everywhere around it for millimeters, let alone kilometers, let alone thousands of kilometers.
On top of which, the shit that collides in the atmosphere is not necessarily the shit we want to be colliding to study. Sure, it collides hard, but that doesn't mean that what's colliding has anything to do with what we care about.

The collider exists to give us control of extreme circumstances, not because extreme circumstances don't exist.

>>128557462
The remains of the ray hit can and do make it to ground level, and when they do they can punch through pretty much anything, and if they hit a DRAM cell just right/hard enough, these fragments can cause a bit flip. Its a common issue to run into with spacecraft, and I think 2 years ago a small satellite actually had to wait for one to trigger such a bit-flip so its flight computer would crash, restart, and allow ground control to regain control over it.

From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory):
>Electrical or magnetic interference inside a computer system can cause a single bit of dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) to spontaneously flip to the opposite state. It was initially thought that this was mainly due to alpha particles emitted by contaminants in chip packaging material, but research has shown that the majority of one-off soft errors in DRAM chips occur as a result of background radiation, chiefly neutrons from cosmic ray secondaries, which may change the contents of one or more memory cells or interfere with the circuitry used to read or write to them.[2] Hence, the error rates increase rapidly with rising altitude; for example, compared to the sea level, the rate of neutron flux is 3.5 times higher at 1.5 km and 300 times higher at 10–12 km (the cruising altitude of commercial airplanes).[3] As a result, systems operating at high altitudes require special provision for reliability.

>>128557223

>hurrdurr you're a salty cunt because I think you are threatened by inferior scientific methods
>thought wrong
>hurrdurr everything has a good side and bad side anon-kun don't hate on my method yours is valid too
>not taking a strong stand on anything aka pussyfooting

Bitch please it was a team that exposed the scandal don't give yourself too much credit. And chances are your boss was that one who got featured in the news anyways so you're more or less anonymous to the rest of that world

Go to bed. Another day another dollar for you. Money's good but you'll forever be gawking at Facebook posts of novel groundbreaking scientific discoveries and sharing it on your timeline

>>128557875
Damnit, here's the working link if that one breaks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory

>>128557978
>itch please it was a team that exposed the scandal don't give yourself too much credit

Show me where I claimed it was only me. I work at a company, everything is a team effort. We work on strict timelines and part of the service we offer is quick results for our customers. So nobody does solo work.

And you still haven't said anything you have done that is of any significance. I was part of a team that you name dropped, not me. I've been part of things that made world wide headlines.

And you talk shit to me like I'm the failure.

Stay mad

>>128557875
Fucking amazing.

>>128558230

>implying I'm implying that you're taking credit all for yourself
>being this linguistically impaired
>being this salty and calling someone else salty

Is this the famed burger education that leads to failure in comprehending basic sentences? You're trying too hard to convince me that you're of significance. Go to bed cuck it's late and you've work in 5 hours.

>>128558879
>still can't mention anything you have done
You mentioned one of my old labs by name without me even prompting you. I'm sure you have worked in a lab I would know as well...

Goodnight

>>128545037
Seeing this shit always fucks me up

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>>128552625

>>128548678
Faggot gets his degree from UPS and thinks we care

>>128558230
>>128557978
two saddest cunts on 4chan. thanks for the read boys.

ITT: niggers and sandniggers against scientific progress

>>128549729
Maybe the people at the meeting just need a quick rundown on what the fug they're actually doing down there?

>>128544077
I'm pretty sure they do alot of sub-contracting anon.

>>128542574
I always wondered about this

You can't get elites to lift a fucking finger, let alone spend a dime, to help people or advance science, unless it makes them richer.

Here we have them throwing billions, even trillions at basic research that could take 100+ years to pay off. That's fucking unheard of for these kinds of people, so what the fuck do they know that they aren't letting on?

>>128542365
So did LHC accomplish anything in the first place to warrant a bigger one?

>>128542365
means the mininukes at 911 were a complete success, funding reinstated

>>128558230

Your exchange is effing glorious, much joy, thanks for that

>>128559724

Glad someone else found entertainment in this

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THERE IS ZERO (COUNT 'EM) ZERO EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF BLACK HOLES

>>128552625
That's not how you do it.

>>128548558
Give me a list of those weird things.
I'm really regretting not asking my professor more on this subject, as he himself studied black holes.

>>128560074
Confirmed the presence of the Higgs Boson, found a couple other oddball particles the guys at Cern have no fucking idea to make of at the moment, found a result consistent with a non-supersymmetrical Standard Model, and did some precision measurements on the mass of the W Boson to verify the data from Tevatron.

>>128542574
>remider that swiss are the cow fuckers of europe
doesn't surprise me science is too hard for you

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>>128560285
What the hell is going on at Sagittarius A?

>>128560269
could someone give me a quick rundown on what just happened here?

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It's happening!

>>128560840
Two over educated category 5 nerds engage in conversation, one territorial nerd tries to one up the other one in a thread where only they understand what the fuck they are talking about.

>>128558765
Its actually a big enough problem for Google to care about, as their servers are absolutely fuckhuge

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>>128547390
>the speed S3-16 picks up

>>128561044
danke, and i finally did manage to work my way to the source. actually, monte carlo isn't all bullshit when you know your models are correct. e.g.- with electronics, you can predict the range of performance with elements of known tolerances.

>>128560840
>>128561044

Plebbit-tier showoff tries to educate unwashed masses on the utility of Monte Carlos simulation, gets taken down a notch by a Singaporean anon

He goes to sleep after failing to make a case for simulations, and resorts to logical fallacies by way of arguing via authority and tries too hard to assert his place in the world. Typical shenanigans.

>>128550223
>who gives a fuck >who gives a fuck
>who gives a fuck >who gives a fuck
>who gives a fuck >who gives a fuck
>who gives a fuck >who gives a fuck

Go back to your fidget spinner, faggot.

>>128561744
Well, to your credit, I did walk away more skeptical of Monte Carlo simulations. Previously this was just some name that popped up in lists of pirated ebooks I would download as a data hoarder.

The russians are upping their infrastructure game, so CERN is getting money, too

you people are fucking idiots.

these experiments will allow us to play with and understand the exotic states of matter that will allow us to harvest newer forms of energy and create technologies that are powered very differently than what we use today.

none of you have even had the beginning levels of the math and science needed to understand any of this.

go back to reading Cosmo-science.

>>128561901

Believe it or not anon-kun, Monte Carlos is a legit technique. It's just I'm against its usage in very specific use cases, i.e. see above. By all means, go give it a read and if you're keen give it a try as well.

>>128544541

This has to be the dumbest comment on the internet.

Are you trying to make autists like me rage?

>>128562099

>t. grade 9 student / professional quantum physicist

>>128546808

Oh thank you. You made my autisms stop shaking.

>>128560050

>we need some money for lab tests that might help develop drugs to save the lives of some niggers, or push cpu technology forward 0.000001%
>fuck outta here nerd

>we need trillions of dollars to build a huge phallic object, the hugest most sciency phallic object in the world
>done, the money's yours

>>128547704

You are a mouth breathing fucktard.

As someone that has actually worked on this kind of science it would take too long to explain to you how fucking retarded you are.

I would say, go play Russian roulette if you need to learn anything about statistics.

>>128562149
to be fair, it looks like they know it has its limitations, but the science of modeling protein structures is still developmental.

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>>128550266
>wargames are important

>>128542365
Yes the LHC was a failure. We discovered shit besides the Higgs boson and other crap we knew it had to exist.
Btw don't worry. Even if we had at our disposal all the energy of the solar system it still wouldn't be enough to create a tiny tiny tiny black hole and even if we did it would disappear in less than a nanosecond with no harm effects.

>>128562480

>As someone that has actually worked on this kind of science
>As someone that has actually worked
>As someone

Are you lost? Reddit is that way. Ad hominid attacks work when there's no upvote/downvote system. As far as I care, you're just a science larper

>>128542574
>Ditch 100s of billions of $ in some black hole like Greece or other bailouts
>Imokwiththis
>ask for a few million for science
>REEEEEEEEE

>>128562612

It's been in development for the longest time desu

The pursuit for armchair science knows no bounds

>>128547802

Or a portal to let xeno-dementional niggers in.

>>128544334
That should be displayed at CERN's entry door

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>>128563225

This scares the shit out of me, the thought of our planet being destroyed without even realizing it.

Is there such a risk?
Surely this cannot be 100% safe.

>>128544539
>There's no need to verify theories

>>128542365
We're gonna need a bigger Vishnu

>>128542365
We are the masterrace

>>128563535
>I don't understand it therefore it's dangerous
Literally caveman logic.

>>128563535
yolo

>>128544361
>LHC cost less than one Merkel of migrations.
It also hardly raped anyone. Not sure if this is considered a plus.

>>128547860
Stephen Hawking making shit up again
>aliens are gonna come here & eat us

>>128563948
Senile old man. I wonder why people still take him seriously, his days are numbered.

>>128546808
How many protiens do I need per day

>>128548316
Well, that's OME way to eradicate the mudslimes

ppssstt kids

wanna hear the real redpill about the LHC?

It's being used to destabilize the Earth's magnetic shield and provoking climate changes as well as worldwide earthquakes.

>>128546618
True, name me one non-White civilization that went to the moon or even just into orbit - None

>>128542365
>Large Hardon Collider wasn't big enough
Will the new one be named BBC Collider?

>>128564194
WAIT A SECOND! I thought that was HAARP?

>>128560582
It's weird how in rotating black holes for example, the singularity is actually in the form of a ring, the event horizon breaks out into two regions, an outer and inner horizon, the outer horizon is the classical one, while the inner one is the cauchy horizon, which the one that allows closed time loops, this structure means that you don't necessarily have to get dragged into the singularity, and can, actually, use the black hole as a worm hole.
You can also get solutions that involve the singularity without having an event horizon, ie a naked singularity.

With charged black holes, you also get that the event horizon divides into two, even if it's a static black hole, you get a cauchy horizon and a normal event horizon

>>128563580
That wasn't my point.

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>>128563914
>It also hardly raped anyone

The earth.

>>128545585
if you look at it the right way its still a tax funded piece of crap black budget literal Freemasonry circlejerk to prove newtonian royal society physics and pretend einstein was right about no aether.when observable physics and geometry shit on the law of gravitation and cavendish expirements.

>>128542822
Stanford Linear Accelerator has been installed in SF Bay Area 40+ years, fully operational
>Other than huge influx of niggers and liberals, no local damage [science has proven niggering NOT caused by radioactivity]

>>128543574
It collapses in less of a fraction of a second due to Hawking radiation you retard, there is literally zero threat.

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>>128546723
>railgun
You fuckwits! There's an ultra cheap railgun in Japan, AcademyCity.com

>>128563914
>considered a plus
>a plus
>flag

cheeky