The Alt-Right is just a stepping stone to the Crypto-Anarchist

>>128500878
GAS THE LINKS, ARCHIVE WAR NOW

>https://theguardian com/technology/2017/jun/04/forget-far-right-populism-crypto-anarchists-are-the-new-masters-internet-politics
https://archive.is/18Zlx

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bump, because you are right. This entire subgenre of politics has been brewing for a very long time. See Moldbug, Nick Land, Peter Thiel, the Seasteading Institute -- it's all part of a bigger plan to decentralize governments and bring fourth a Neo-reactionary techno-capitalist utopia.

>>128501309
>Neo-reactionary techno-capitalist utopia.

This makes me erect.

>>128500878
>the guardian

kek

>That governments, businesses and friendly liberal types are falling over themselves to import exciting new tech that has been explicitly designed to undermine them is a bit of an inside joke.

This will be the story of this century.

>>128500878
>Anarchism isn't dying goyim
>Completely flips out trying to be hip and cool

Don't forget, /leftypol/ uses the most stale memes but just add communism into it. I don't mind Bitcoins but this is autistic. OP is a faggot

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>>128501309
>tfw there will never be a widespread back to the land movement
>tfw you will never have a national socialist colony of white folk living simple, bountiful, lives with plenty
>you will never have an aryan woman running through wheatfields to great you
>you have to accept the capitalist machine will march on forever
>you have to fight off the communists from destroying what little remains of your culture
>you have to accept that in order to resist you must go from boots to computers
>you have to become a reluctant cyberpunk
>you will stake out what life you can in the capitalist megacorp
>aching for the chance to kill commies again
>it's the only thing that makes you happy
>why did they do this
>why did they have to create this

I will never have my dream. Brain-scrub the commies. Call the Panzerkops on them. No mercy. No remorse.

>>128502635
>sees the word "anarchism"
>flips out with zero context

>>128502870
The idea is eradicating "megacorps" with entirely decentralized corporations with no central authority. This isn't communism, its unfettered capitalism with cryptography to keep everything honest.

>>128501309
But that exists alongside alt right and for the most part in cooperation. Alt right is just the agit-prop and normie recruitment wing. It's not, as the article suggests, that this nrx stuff is in competition.

>>128503069
I didn't say it was. I'm saying that if global capitalism is the way to annihilate pozzed communism, then sure, fine, why not. I'm just not into the cyberpunk aesthetic, but I'm okay with neon signs and deckers and shiiiiet if it means that the things that ruin western culture are destroyed in turn.

>>128503726
Not cyberpunk, cypherpunk. You know, like cryptographic cyphers.

>>128500878
>Alt-Right
it doesn't exist, you're obviously new so you didn't experience the MSM fabricating the alt-right meme live

>You will see the rise of decentralized technology, and the lack of authority structure that comes with it.
anyone who believes this is possible is an idiot

>>128503860
>implying land, moldbug, crypto the very concept of 4chan aren't cyberpunk as fuck

I get what you're saying man, I was just having a laff. Free market economy with a focus on cryptocurrency as a way of validating it.

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>>128504104
Yeah I see where you are coming from. I usually think of that video of german cybergoth teens dancing to hardstyle under a bridge when I think of cyberpunk.

>>128500878
>tldr please invest in cryptocurrency so my coin can have tons of worth and I can get rich off your ass
when will you greedy goys ever learn

>>128504410
Nah, I was talking Neuromancer, Ubik, Shadowrun (even though the game itself is not very good), and Deus Ex.

>>128504578
I am concerned about crypto. When I think of Crypto I usually think of Whales, pump-and-dumps, shorts, etc. etc. I don't think I've ever seen an actual cryptocurrency that's as stable and as usable as currency as fiat.

>>128500878
So you are saying we can turn the comming Cyberpunk Dystopia into a Cyberpunk Utopia?

>>128500878
The powers that be will prevent decentralization by locking diwn the net cuz muh terrorism.

>>128504797
Fiat will crumble

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>mfw ancaps will reign supreme after /pol/ makes it's own pepe themed crypto currency that becomes so memed it overthrowns all fiat currency systems and defeats statism forever
>to please the natsocs all the information about it is written in cursive so only whites can use it

>>128500878
The problem is we get a diamond age or snow crash like scenario in the west, but other countries remain protectionist, essentially eradicating western culture and people.

if they honestly want to stop these movements they should stop giving them such kickass names. I can't wait to be a crypto-anarchist

>>128500878
Le alt-right reddit meme and """crypto-anarchism""" is just pure Jewish (((subversion))) into some degenerate liberal filth ideology to undermine true conservativism

Fuck off. FUCK OFF

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>>128500905
I know this is a bot, but bless you Archive Dane. You are the hero /pol/ deserves

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/pol not buying Augur(REP) again, sigh

>>128504956
Yes, and encryption is at the center of that fork in the road.

>>128504578
>>128504797
>When I think of Crypto I usually think of Whales, pump-and-dumps, shorts, etc. etc. I don't think I've ever seen an actual cryptocurrency that's as stable and as usable as currency as fiat.

Think about the skill-set required to send an email in 1989 (it was doable). For most people, they couldn't even begin to conceive of it. Instead they just used the much more intuitive US postal service.

Crytocurrency is going to have it's dotcom bubble, don't get me wrong. 99% of cryptocurrencies are going to be useless and die off. The rise of ICOs today are nothing but a glorified kickstarter programs for blockchain based software companies. There will be hype, fud and losses. That doesn't mean the technology itself is worthless.

>>128505445
crypto-anarchism is about using Encryption to keep data decentralized. It has nothing to do with liberals and conservatives.

>>128505104
>Then people mine it so hard it's unobtainable
>its market value rises
>it becomes the old (2004 old) /b/ of cryptocurrencies

>Until some cuck decides to reset the servers and it all starts over

>>128505096
And crypto is an unstable hellhole that I'd honestly like to never touch until there's an actual, stable, coin on the market.

>>128505445
>true conservatism

You mean the one that lost? Conservatism has always been a game for suckers. Conservatives will always be fighting a losing battle, unless that battle is for Israel.

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>>128505104
lel, thanks for the kek

>>128500878
>anarchism
>using a product created by a government agency
these people are just a bunch of faggots

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>>128502064
Me too, my friend, me too.

>tfw the future world is one where governments are replaced by insurance companies providing service packages in a free market to appease all sides of the political spectrum by enforcing contracts which specify what type of behavior is allowed
>tfw there will be hundreds of thousands of city states, free territories, charter cities and cantons to appease everyone and politics will become irrelevant
>tfw democracy will die because people can simply move to their most desired locales
>tfw ancaps win in the end

>>128506015
>allowing yourself to react emotionally to a word based on subversion tactics

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>>128500878
how long before "crypto-facist" isn't just a meme from red dwarf?

>everything that has grown on 4chan
lainchan is way more cypherpunk than here though, and the -real- guys are all on tor or some other shit that isn't the normal internet.

because PRISM. here you have non-free javascript memes and google captcha.

>>128506324
>the insurance "companies" are just open software protocols running on a global smart contract blockchain networks
>contract enforcement is determined by mathematics, not fallible humans
>the need to hold humans accountable in a position of power is no longer needed

>>128506382
thanks for reminding me that, anon
I didnt even know that they used psyop on me

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>>128506757
s-stop you're making me hopeful for the future anon

So should we start holding shitloads of ETH? Or something less centralized?.

>>128506436
Isn't lainchan just full of people from /x/ and /a/?

>>128505740
>crypto-anarchism is about using Encryption to keep data decentralized
watch out then nigga, cause ETH and ripple are totally centralized and can delete your wallets if you piss them off.

>>128507073
Holding crypto is still pure speculation at this point. Remember, even though the internet was the "future" in the 1990s, a lot of people still lost their asses in the dot com crash. Whether or not you are up for that sort of risk is up to you.

>>128500878
Alt-right meme was just a reactionary way against liberals, globalists , progressives and so on.

But real attack againt the jew elite will come from crypto, with the tech of blockchain we don't need a ((trusted)) 3rd party for our transactions,contracts and so on. This can really lead to the nearest type of stateless society that it can get.

>>128507228
ripple is literally bankercoin, and you are right about ETH. Which is why ETC is more interesting as a project.

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>>128501309

>Seasteading

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024761/Atlas-Shrugged-Silicon-Valley-billionaire-reveals-plan-launch-floating-start-country-coast-San-Francisco.html

>Ocean state would have no welfare, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons

>Boss starts paying you one dollar an hour
>Shoot him and take over the company

>>128505752
>reset the servers
That's not how cryptocurrencies work. Key word being "decentralised".

>>128507425
>Boss starts paying you one dollar an hour
>Shoot him and take over the company
>realize the company is just a protocol with no ceo
>nodes in the network reject any interactions you make with the network based on violation of the protocol
>you are now economically isolated from society

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>>128507425
>tfw you'll see white-only seastead covenants in your lifetime

>>128507175
Spawned from /g/. There's a bunch of people, most from here, 8ch, and anarchist places like 0ch.

>>128507651

>nodes in the network reject any interactions you make with the network based on violation of the protocol
>Shoot the network with a bazooka

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>>128501309
>Neo-reactionary techno-capitalist utopia

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My poverty tier crypto portfolio is READY

>>128507175
you forgot the linux friends that are too hip for /g/.

real answer is its full of random people like every other chan

>>128500878
I believe it

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>>128506757
>the insurance "companies" are just open software protocols running on a global smart contract blockchain networks
Can you elaborate? I know crypto currencies use blockchain to verify transactions or something like that..?

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>>128507827
>the network looks like this

>>128507997
>Almost the exact same amount of value measured in the exact same currency, possibly almost in the exact same amount of time, porobably over the exact same currency
:D

>>128507285
Unless you buy bancor :) the coin of the chosen people.

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Interesting OP, I've been collecting crypto currency in an effort to move my savings out of jew banks where the jews profit from it and give me .001 percent interest

Everyone should do the same, your savings would actually grow and not be used by the jew

>>128507394
can't ETC get hacked easily though? i thought that was why they implemented the fork.
do you know anything about the upcoming august 1 BTC fork?

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>>128503404
This. Capital and State are natural allies. We can find ways to work together.

>>128508395
Hold on to it, even if it crashes briefly, crypto value has gone up over time

>>128507791
>>128508007
Thanks. I don't go on it and only knew of it because of the lain posters on /x/.

>>128508175

As soon as a seastead started to gain success a Government would just send agent(s) to infiltrate and attempt to subvert, overthrow, terrorize or destroy it.

>>128508395
I will do this as soon as I get my debt paid off, I'm a faggot and haven't been fiscally responsible and I'm way behind on this movement. I can probably buy in with a couple hundred to get started soon though.
Is mining still worth it? I have a bretty gud pc

>>128500878
I've been trying to pick up a skill which I think will becoming increasingly important, that is a deeper understanding of info/net security like how to defend yourself and what the different kinds of threats are and so on.
Also there is something else that I myself am of the opinion that getting into trading like day/swing type trading is cyberpunk (just to be clear for this I'm referring to forex and commodities). This may need some explanation, its a zero sum game if you can figure out a way to succeed in taking money from the market where you're taking it from those in financial power and it's mainly the banks will be the ones on the other side of your trade that's a real fuck you to the banks.

>>128501309
>>128502064
Glad to see some people into neo reaction / dark enlightenment stuff here. I don't know how much I beleive all that but it's very interesting to read their writings.

>>128508111
Well, for example, Bitcoin itself is a decentralized autonomous corporation. It provides the service of accounting for the entire globe without the need of any authority structure. The employees (miners) validate the transactions in the network for a reward (new currency + transaction fees). Money is really only the very first application of open blockchain networks. Similar to how email was the first application of the internet. Over time, we developed more and more use cases - the web, voip, bittorrent, etc. The same will happen over time with blockchain services, but we aren't there yet. And there will be many failures along the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_autonomous_organization

>>128508710
:D
https://cointelegraph.com/news/suddenly-vladimir-putin-meets-vitalik-buterin-endorses-ethereum

Hopefully they give it a good pump first

>>128508715

Maybe, look into ETH mining , you won't be able to Bitcoin mine most likely

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>>128500878
>What is the role of Government in a world of decentralization?

Same as it was 200 years ago, to protect your liberty.

>>128504048
>alt-right doesnt exist
imagine being this unengaged and having 0 connections

>>128509074
I see, mine ETH then wait for value to go up and make trades later then? Seems simple.

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Automation actually scares me quite a bit. I mean, most people like to do work of some form or another. Something to give them purpose, something to do. But we're reaching a point in which all jobs could become automated, which means any effort one could put towards a skill, job experience, etc, would be meaningless when a robot can do that same job.
What is society going to turn into when almost everyone's 'purpose' in life will be sitting around and consuming? Where's the meaning to any of it. Human society is going to lose its soul, and no one really cares

>>128500878
Lol. These fags again.

>>128509074
I know there's a /chan/ for bitcoin by some odd name, ill drift in there later when I'm ready and read all the news and shit

how do you even into mining now? I thought you need an over 9000 rig of GPUs?

>>128509287
Don't worry, humans will always find something to do.

>>128508475
The Ethereum network wasn't hacked. Somebody wrote a shitty smart contract and retards dumped over $100mil USD into it. Somebody exploited that contract and stole a ton of funds. Instead of chalking it up as a lesson learned, the Ethereum devs completely destroyed the entire purpose of their project by "rolling back" the blockchain and erasing the transactions, effectively bailing out the project owners. It's also worth mentioning that many of the Ethereum devs had a lot of money invested in this smart contract as well.

Being that ethereum is an open protocol, many people were not happy with this decision, and decided to maintain the original ethereum chain. This in my opinion goes to show how powerful these new protocols really are. Don't want to submit to the tyranny of the majority? Fine, just fork the codebase and implement your own network.

>>128508715

Bitcoin mining is incredibly profitable right now. But you will need an ASIC miner, not your PC.

>>128508710
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva
The Republic of Minerva was a micronation
It was one of the few modern attempts at creating a sovereign micronation on the reclaimed land of an artificial island in 1972. The architect was Las Vegas real estate millionaire and political activist Michael Oliver
They anticipated a libertarian society with "no taxation, welfare, subsidies, or any form of economic interventionism." In addition to tourism and fishing, the economy of the new nation would include light industry and other commerce.
In 1971, barges loaded with sand arrived from Australia, bringing the reef level above the water and allowing construction of a small tower and flag. The Republic of Minerva issued a declaration of independence on 19 January 1972 in letters to neighboring countries and even created their own currency. In February 1972, Morris C. Davis was elected as Provisional President of the Republic of Minerva.
The declaration of independence, however, was greeted with great suspicion by other countries in the area. A conference of the neighboring states (Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji, Nauru, Samoa, and territory of Cook Islands) met on 24 February 1972 at which Tonga made a claim over the Minerva Reefs and the rest of the states recognized its claim.
A Tongan expedition was sent to enforce the claim the following day. It reached North Minerva on 18 June 1972. The Flag of the Tonga was raised on 19 June 1972
Tongan occupation
Tonga’s claim was recognized by the South Pacific Forum in September 1972.
In 1982, a group of Americans led again by Morris C. “Bud” Davis tried to occupy the reefs, but were forced off by Tongan troops

>>128509151
it's true. the media couldn't understand that they had a bunch of angry shitposters up against them, so they decided to round to the nearest approximation and add an additional descriptor. after the "alt-right" was fabricated, thousands of attention whores came out of the woodwork to create an "awoovement", and shit spiraled out of control from there.

it does not exist. national socialism exists -- it has a fleshed out doctrine and a purpose. libertarianism exists -- it has a fleshed out doctrine and a purpose.
what is the doctrine or purpose of the "alt-right"? spouting memes, writing terrible 100 page books, and selling tickets to a tour where you sit around for an hour and spout bullshit you saw on reddit?

you're sitting in a psyop.

>>128509549
somebody tried to establish a independent nation and the powers that be couldnt allow that so they all agreed to put a stop to it and then once they stopped it they started fighting amongst themselves.
cont:
Territorial dispute
In 2005, Fiji made it clear that they did not recognize any maritime water claims by Tonga to the Minerva Reefs under the UNCLOS agreements. In November 2005, Fiji lodged a complaint with the International Seabed Authority concerning Tonga's maritime waters claims surrounding Minerva. Tonga lodged a counter claim, and the Principality of Minerva micronation claimed to have lodged a counter claim. In 2010 the Fijian Navy destroyed navigation lights at the entrance to the lagoon. In late May 2011, they again destroyed navigational equipment installed by Tongans. In early June 2011, two Royal Tongan Navy ships were sent to the reef to replace the equipment, and to reassert Tonga's claim to the territory. Fijian Navy ships in the vicinity reportedly withdrew as the Tongans approached.

>>128509655
You are making my point. The alt-right meme perpetuated by the media is just a stepping stone to the new more concrete and slightly spookier sounding "crypto-anarchist" meme. In reality, the term will soon deviate heavily from it's cypherpunk origins.

>>128509483
But Anon, in a future where everything is automated, the only thing you can do is consume. By the very fact that everything on Earth is just the motions of physics and/or brain chemistry, which is replaceable through machines, the only thing left us to do, that we could for a meaningful purpose, is to consume whatever the automated creator's give us

>>128500878
https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html

Let see if it's still blocked.

>>128509518
Interesting... I will ask about these when I've got a stack of cash to throw away

>>128500878
Decentralized Cryptocurrencies maybe be our way of protesting the international banking cabal.
If we can undermine their source of power (centralized currency), their whole house of lies and deceit will fall apart.

>>128509976
>crypto-anarchism
>we're going to institute an anarchist society that uses technology and stuff
>but we're going to completely ignore the fact that any decent technological infrastructure requires cooperation on a national scale, which we're completely against

>>128509655
You dont understand how movements are born, if you were in the past you would be probably saying "National socialism? Ha! its just a virgin loser ramblings in a book written in jail, nothing will happen"

>>128510221
How about crypto fascism?
Or crypto nationalism?

>>128505449
Norwegian

>>128510221
>doesn't realize that the network infrastructure was built by mostly private industries cooperating on an international scale
Jesus fucking Christ man

>>128509980
>But Anon, in a future where everything is automated, the only thing you can do is consume.

Not necessarily. Human's have an innate desire to produce. We are just detaching the need for that production to be functional or relevant in the economic system.

>>128510221
>that uses technology and stuff
If this is the level of your understanding of the topic, why even make a comment?

>>128509980
People will work for fun, in automation no one stops you from start paiting, composing a song, or building a prototype, its just that your survival doesnt depend on it.

>>128510009
I cant see it, any way to pass through the block?

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>>128500878
Buy crypto you dumb no coiners.

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>>128507997
Here's mine from a couple days ago.
Keep in mind it's in dollarydoos.
(Tbh it's now 38k but it's still way higher than my initial investment of 9.7k)

>>128510771
HODL

>>128510755
What the fuck... are you just gonna let it keep rising until the economy collapses and you become the crypto Jew?

>>128510755
noice m8. you getting in bancor pre ico?

>>128510009
Do you need tor or something to access this site?

>>128510771
Milkcoin now pls

>>128510242
oh it's a movement alright, it's just a movement more akin to anonymous than it is to national socialism. if you're building on the work of many anonymous individuals, making yourself a public movement will result in your destruction.

>>128510437
>crypto fascism
"using this IoT coffee pot i will round up the communists"
>crypto nationalism
"YOU CAN'T GET ME NOW COMMIES, I HAVE AES! FOR THE MOTHERLAND!"

>>128510495
>corporations are alright
>but whey-hey don't go creating mega-corporations, that'd be bad!

>>128510607
>LET'S USE ENCRYPTION TO FIGHT THE STATE
5 minutes later
>OKAY OKAY STOP HITTING ME HERE'S THE ENCRYPTION KEY

>>128510916
That kind of growth is necessary for global adoption. That's not to say that there won't be massive crashes in the interim.

https://medium.com/@mcasey0827/speculative-bitcoin-adoption-price-theory-2eed48ecf7da

Read this piece which was written back in December, and then look to see how the market has acted since then.

>>128511077
It has nothing to do with a single individual using encryption. You are missing the point. Cryptographic protocols are not only encrypted but also DECENTRALIZED. There is nobody to hit.

The reality of this situation is that governments are just as dependent on these technologies as "crypto-anarchists". That's the irony. Governments are undermining themselves by adopting encryption, which has literally been the goal by the authors of these protocols since the 80s.

>>128510916
Yeah probably.
ETH, BTC AND XBY are my main hold. Have some DGB too.
The old money STILL hasn't hit crypto yet.
You might have missed the hypergains of 2009 BTC like most of us but there is still a lot of money to make in the years to come.
This is pre dotcom era for crypto. Widespread adoption has not occurred.
The premise behind crypto is strong, so buy top coins for a safe rollercoaster ride up. Buy smaller coins for high risk high reward.
I seriously doubt crypto has hit its high of highs.
When niggers and women are buying crypto en masse, then it's at it's final stage and it's time to hop off the ride before it pulls a dotcom crash where you can hop back in for easy gains again.

>>128510931
I'm in the middle of exam period at the moment so i haven't had time to do much crypto research, but I'll check it out.
Where can I buy them?

>>128511476
>There is nobody to hit.
>said the american posting through a cloudflare reverse proxy, through HTTPS

>Governments are undermining themselves by adopting encryption
is this a particularly well done typo?

>>128511823
How would hitting me stop the spread of cryptographic protocols? Quit being naive.

>Is this a particularly well done typo?

No, because to shut down the use of encryption, they would have to break the algorithms they are dependent on.

>>128511568
Ok I guess I need to take this stuff more seriously thanks tips

>>128511815
ICO in a couple of weeks but you can get in early if your non US via bitcoin suisse. If you can't be fucked with verifying with btc suisse then just get ready to buy on liqui exchange. This is like a better, jewish waves that will be added to polo.

>>128500878
OP is right. I work in fintech and we are ditching the kikes for ethereum. Shit is gonna get intense.

>>128500878
take the ultimate red pill
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-physical-scientific-proof-that-Jews-were-gassed-to-death-in-Nazi-concentration-camps/answer/Damian-Graves

>>128511173
Keep in mind, crypto has a total marketcap of under 100 billion at the moment.
Apple, a single company, is worth 812 billion.
I have no doubt that the crypto market can reach that marketcap within a few years. It's too useful not to become widespread.
If we get a major financial crisis again (which is only a matter of time), then expect to see people lose faith in traditional markets and move their value in the alternative option - Crypto.

>>128512085
>>How would hitting me stop the spread of cryptographic protocols? Quit being naive.
let me spell it out for you

>observe that your connection to 4chan is currently going through HTTPS
>observe the cryptographic techniques used to secure your communication (AES 128 + SHA256)
>open your browser's network monitor
>refresh 4chan
>notice that in the initial GET exchangee there is a response header titled Server, containing the text "cloudflare-nginx"
>notice also the CF-RAY header
>notice that nothing concerning cloudflare was submitted in your initial GET request

if cloudflare is between you and 4chan and your connection is encrypted, how did cloudflare insert two headers? does this hint to a possible attack surface?

>>128512112
I will say don't go too wild, invest what you can safely lose.
At this point, I have way more faith in crypto than in banks or share markets.

>>128512221
If it all checks out I'll throw some money at it, just in case it goes big.
Thanks anon.

>>128512597
What does this have to do with destroying national currencies and contract enforcement authority with cryptographic protocols?

Encryption is used for more than """secure""" connections on the clearnet.

>>128512669
What do you think about buying a miner machine like someone else suggested?

>>128510755
what app?

>>128500878
Go to bed Weev.

>>128511568
What do you think about the value of multiple coins when it gets widely adopted?
Will bitcoin win because it has the brand recognition? Will other coins even be valuable?

>>128513021
Do not buy an ASIC if you live in a western country. You will have a hard time finding profit unless your electricity is subsidized.

You are also competing with hundred million dollar mining operations in China.

>>128513021
To be honest i haven't really looked into mining coins.
Personally, I would put the money right into coins/cryptoassets.

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>>128500878
Don't let it bother you too much, though. There are other people like you. Personally i just stopped discussing politics with my friends; they are incapable of thinking for themselves anyway, so why waste time on something that won't change?

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>>128500878
>Crypto-Anarchist movement
i'm perfectly fine with this as long as the christcucks don't try to co-opt it for their gay religion shit
the christian shit is the cringiest part of the alt-right, by far

>>128513054
Blockfolio.
Crypto ledger

>>128513327
Gay.
>>128513330
Thanks both

>>128513403
I kinda don't even wanna bother red pilling my gf and just having a secretly red pilled son, and training him to become the Jew who outjews the Jews or some shit for this reason.

>>128513006
>What does this have to do with destroying national currencies and contract enforcement authority with cryptographic protocols?
pure, distributed infrastructures are hard to maintain, risky, and terrible in general. they are always, ALWAYS, improved by a central entity taking control. cloudflare is a solution to the DDOS problem, the caching latency problem, and numerous other problems. it is superior to almost all hosting setups. the trade off is in security and privacy. people will accept the privacy risk inherent in allowing cloudflare to MITM all of their traffic if it keeps their favorite sites up.

a purely distributed banking system has been tried before, and it was a colossal failure. bitcoin will suffer a similar fate.

>>128500878
>What is the role of Government in the future?
it doesn't have one.

>>128508861
I think I came

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>>128500878
Do you know that I fucked your mom's asshole raw back in 1983? Shit ripped and she had to get some dumpster surgery on her gushy gash if u kno what I mean.

>>128500878
>crypto-anarchism
Too many syllables, will never catch on

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>>128500878

>>128500878
>please go away nazis y-you're not relevant anymore
lol)

>>128510755
>tfw I am at 33k
>initial investment 3k

eth, dgb, sc, I love you

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When do we get to start dressing like The Goose?

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>>128500878
>https://archive.is/18Zlx
>We only take bitcoin
Yeah this article is crap. Half of it is just trying to wrap her head around Cryptocurrency.

>>128513274
Bitcoin definitely has a first mover advantage, but there are currently technical limitations regarding transactions of it's network.
If tx speeds and fees don't get reduced, bitcoin will probably stop being a primary cryptocurrency for purchases, but rather a hedge like gold that sort of just sits around until you really need it.
There is a huge range of cryptocurrencies and assets that all have their own strengths and weakness. ETH is looking like a strong contender for BTC's top position at the moment, so we'll have to see how it plays out.
I would say it's a good idea to hold BTC, it's not going to stop growing in value and it's good to have on the chance that the network does get upgraded.
Get onto bitcointalk do your own research, learn to trust your intuitionand get accustomed to this industry. play around with it and learn the rythym of the market (big up and downs are normal, years in stocks are months in crypto).
You'll be fine putting money into any coins with decent/unique tech, this is a growing market.

>>128513705
>M-Monarchism is superior! You plebs will never achieve democracy is too dangerous

k dude, you can keep believing that while BTC keeps proving that wrong, they been "predicting" the death of Bitcoin years ago and its still very alive

>>128500878
>/pol/ is now crypto-ANCAP

I'm okay with this. Tomahawks when?

>>128501309
This guy understands. I know what side im on and its the one lead by Bronze Age Pervert

>>128513705
>pure, distributed infrastructures are hard to maintain, risky, and terrible in general
Decentralized, not distributed. There is a difference. They aren't hard to maintain because there is no maintenance. You would be right if you said they are inefficient in comparison to a centralized network, but that's only true in the same way that cleartext data management is more efficient than encrypted data management. Who cares if a centralized system is faster when it's subject to systemic attack? Decentralized networks have no system risk. Sure, you can attack a node and take it offline, but who cares about a single node in a massive network? The larger the network grows, the more antifragile it becomes.

>purely distributed banking system has been tried before
nothing that solved the byzantine generals problem like cryptocurrencies have

>bitcoin will suffer a similar fate

I won't speculate on bitcoin specifically. But if you adjusted that to

>cryptocurrencies will suffer a similar fate

I would say you need to explain why

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>>128513925
Thanks
If you like storage coins, xby is pretty cool
I reckon it could get to maidsafe level pricing if their tech is implemented properly.
Very speculative at the moment though, hard to say if it will be functional.

>>128514001
Over 90% of btc holders are men.
Imagine how many shekels you could make if some clever goy figured out how to make it appealing to women...

>>128502870
In an ancap utopia, you are free to pursue your weird dreams, just don't violate the NAP. No commie genocide for you, sorry.

>>128500878
The fire rises my friends take the ultimate red pill

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-physical-scientific-proof-that-Jews-were-gassed-to-death-in-Nazi-concentration-camps/answer/Damian-Graves

>>128514091
ty friend.
I bought my first piece of bitcoin last week, so I'm already getting started.

>>128514718
they already have
gf finally got into it last night, first thing she jumped to was pinkcoin
ontop of the name, its tied to diamonds in some capacity
anyway seems like it has value purely from that perspective - women like it

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>>128501309

>Neo-reactionary techno-capitalist utopia

>Western civilization itself rescuing it's dead father from the belly of the whale

A lot of people don't understand the power the cryptocurrencies and the possibilities of what they can and hopefully will do. The artificial inflation and removal of the gold standard is theft, and a perfect way to enslave the good goys, especially if you look at interest rates. They can litterally print money and enslave you with debts from borrowing it. Fuck them all, if cash will be deterred, we NEED a way to pay anonymously

>>128514166
putting your money in bitcoin is betting that the price will continue to escalate wildly, which will only happen for so long. bitcoin does not have an external entity safeguarding it, if it collapses to $0 nobody is going to bail you out. bitcoin is extremely risky, and anyone who thinks people are going to go about using it as a normal currency is a buffoon.

if i take an australian dollar bill down with me to the shops, i can trust that it will still be worth 70 US cents by the time i get there, and i can trust that in 5 years it will probably be worth around that much. i can't do that with bitcoin.

>>128514536
>Who cares if a centralized system is faster when it's subject to systemic attack?
>Sure, you can attack a node and take it offline, but who cares about a single node in a massive network?
decentralized systems always centralize with time. the internet was originally run by a bunch of nerds who just wanted to share information on their niche hobbies (and therefore the network was as decentralized as the phone system, which is pretty damn good), but over time people discovered that paying 500 people to work on one thing makes you a lot of money, and that having a few websites with a lot of information on them is better than having a lot of websites with little information on them. thus google was born, thus amazon was born, thus facebook was born.

didn't mtgox dump the price of bitcoin by 40% when it collapsed?

>I would say you need to explain why
i can't make a statement about all cryptocurrencies, but i can make a statement about all applied cryptocurrencies. just like i can make a statement about the internet as opposed to a hypothetical internet.

>>128506757
Pipedream

>>128500878

>Everything that has grown on 4chan - kek, pepe, chaos memetics etc, is playing into a larger movement that has been growing in the subconscious of the internet population. This philosophy has it's roots in the cypherpunk groups of the 90s

Yes, it does. Like any good (((merchant))) they are freshening the brand.

t. Remembers Assassination Politics and the guy that did time for it

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>>128515071
https://entethalliance.org

>>128514865
Nice!
The way I see it, crypto is still risky, but compared to the established financial sectors it has a lot more potential for growth and could be less susceptible to major catastrophes like the GFC due to its decentralized nature.
The underlying issues that caused the GFC have still not been resolved and never will be. The US 20t debt is not going anywhere.
Crypto will be bumpy at times, it will look like it's all over, but just hold and you will be fine.
Don't try to time the market, it's a lot harder than it looks.
Not a lot of things get my autism going, but crypto does, if that counts for anything.

>>128500878
>stale meme
Nigger what do you think your blog posts are m8

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>>128500878
PRAISE KEK

HE IS MAKING CYBER PUNK REAL

>>128506757
Mind •••(((<<<<《《{{○}}》》>>>>)))•••

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>>128506757

>the need to hold humans accountable in a position of power is no longer needed

No need for these then.

>>128514892
Cool, I'll have a look at that.
My guess is that female adoption will be mostly socially motivated if it's not stuff like pinkcoin.

>>128500878
>The Guardian

Gay.

>>128500905
fpbp

this is obviously just some commie's attempt to pick off right-wingers to become antifas

What the fuck is wrong with Kraken verification? Its literally taken 2 weeks now and they refuse to lvl 2 verify me, Ive sent a ticket but they dont reply to it.

If they had been faster I would have more than doubled my money in ETH and BTC in these 2 weeks. Fucks sake, if I knew more about it I would find some other site to trade FIAT for BTC but most of the exchanges seem shady or have shitty signup processes that dont work (its impossible to register a credit card on coinbase for isntance).

>>128515051
You're doing the exactly same bet with dollars, the only difference is that you "trust" a 3rd party that backs it (when actually your central bank can devaluate your currency at will), BTC is the cheapest way to move money around the world, is not crazy to think that all transactions online will be done with crypto currency in the future, is just the most effective way of doing so even if its only for transfer and not for holding.

>>128506757
Fuck, I need to change underwear.

>>128515812
localbitcoins.com? I bought from a guy in Oslo and it went fine.

>>128515992
>the only difference is that you "trust" a 3rd party that backs it
my trust is placed in the might of the australian army, and to a lesser degree the might of the american army. your trust is placed in a bunch of chinese people with ASIC miners.

>>128515812
Exchanges suck, they are the worst part of crypto at the moment.
Hopefully they stop being so clunky and frustrating for new entrants or p2p becomes more secure/easy.
I doubt they will though, governments are going to do everything they can to make crypto inaccessible.

>>128515051
>decentralized systems always centralize with time.

I would argue the opposite. Centralized systems decentralize as the cost of technology decreases.

You are wrong about the internet being more decentralized in the past. You are also conflating the internet with the world wide web. The internet is decentralized, but still has critical points of failue. This isn't the fault of the protocol, it's simply because the cost of infrastructure to use the protocol on a macro scale is expensive. Landline infrastructure costs billions. That is changing fast. Local and Regional WISPs are coming first, and as costs go down, it will decentralize until you ARE the ISP.

>didn't mtgox dump the price of bitcoin by 40% when it collapsed?

Correct, but this proves my point about how centralized systems can create catastrophe. In the early days of bitcoin, the only "reputable" exchange available was Mt. Gox. Many people even chose to hold their coins on the exchange long term, which defeats the entire purpose of a decentralized network. This single entity was hacked and had it's assets stolen, which led to a price collapse.

Curiously, bitcoin did not die. Why? Because the protocol itself was fine. It was simply gross human error and a centralized service that failed. Now, lets go into the future to the present. The bitcoin network is much larger, there are many more exchanges, and it is now much harder to collapse the price with a single event like that. Not impossible, but harder. This goes hand in hand with the understanding that as a decentralized network grows, so does it's antifragility.

>>128500878
shit we're all gonna die in some war fought between corporations

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>>128501309
>Neo-reactionary techno-capitalist
This is exactly what's necessary to bring about national transhumanism.

>>128500878
BUY ETHER! It will eventually overtake the market cap of BTC. Also, consider buying ripple while it's still under a doller/xrp while it's had a huge bump recently and prob wont rise again for a little bit, start stocking up on it now. it won't be this cheap ever again.

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>>128516216
Opps, wrong picture

>>128502635
you're thinking of /r/anarchism
this is more /r/anarchy

>>128506324
When do the people who aren't crazy, start digging holes to live underground?

>>128501309
>>128502064
Implying you will be a part of it.

>>128507425
t. pleb

you realize there are people who genetically modify flies to be targeted weapons vectors now right?

they can assassinate you from the other side of the world, completely untraceable

99.999% of you are less than slaves in your decentralized ancap fantasies. slaves were at least valued by the owners as producers.

the future you face is one of robots doing production and you as nothing more than a potential threat, at best valuable as a mind controlled zombie in a hegelian dialectic, pitted against your neighbor - cheaper than bothering to assassinate you after all

Sounds like the media is trying to hijack 4chan and turn the altright into chaos so they'll have power again.
Doubt it will work.

>>128516106
I want 30k or so so Id like it not to be some random dude Im buying for when its my first time trading crypto. But thanks for the tip, if Kraken doesnt get their shit together Ill have to look for other ways to get BTC.

>>128500878
you're getting a little bit too excited bud.
Nationalism is growing on all cylinders and now its a """Stale meme"""".
It's not a stepping stone, its a seperate cause.

>>128510679
Yes!.. I can't wait till two years from now!
>tfw I need my shades.. the future is bright

>>128516144
bitcoin delivers no value by itself. it won't exist in 10 years.

the only reason bitcoin is hot right now is because central banks are intentionally making it that way. they have quantum computers and the bitcoin algorithm is vulnerable to quantum attack.

the people who are most skeptical of the governments are putting their money into a digital currency with a wide open CIA backdoor. perfect setup, really.

you stand some chance with quantum resistant algorithms like ethereum that deliver a value proposition, but bitcoin is full retard

>>128513406
Christfags didn't come to this board til it was popular with dorner going rambo on leos

>>128509287
be a zoo keeper or something

>>128516463
then what does that make you

>>128516886
>they have quantum computers and the bitcoin algorithm is vulnerable to quantum attack
you know what else is vulnerable to a quantum attack? the upper limit of encryption strength
all you are saying is there will be a market demand for a blockchain fork that needs quantum encryption

>>128516886
At least for the time being, bitcoin is useful - lots of people accept it. Recently I've used it almost as much as paypal.

I run a decentralized imageboard federation inside tor.

You do not want decentralization, trust me you really don't want it.

>>128516886
Nothing prevents the adoption of new bitcoin network standards to counteract the threat of quantum, but yes it will eventually be a serious challenge.
I still believe that crypto as a whole will survive if bitcoin if compromised, it has become diverse enough to the point where it doesn't solely rely on bitcoin.

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Trump is making vaporwave real

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>>128516719
HODL with steel hands.

>>128516886
>bitcoin delivers no value by itself. it won't exist in 10 years.
But it does. It provides a service at the behest of miners. It secures and logs transactions in a globally decentralized ledger. It's basically a massive accountant that manages which address has what value. Whether it's bitcoin that survives is irrelevant. Cryptocurrencies aren't going anywhere.

>the only reason bitcoin is hot right now is because central banks are intentionally making it that way. they have quantum computers and the bitcoin algorithm is vulnerable to quantum attack.
citation needed.

Seriously though, even in your hypothetical world where quantum computers are already breaking encryption. It just means we will use protocols with quantum encryption. If bitcoin is to survive, it will fork when necessary. If it doesn't then something else takes over.

Also bitcoin and ethereum have entirely different use cases.

>>128517442
>run
>decentralized

>>128517398
It will be very exciting times for the world economy if bitcoin's transaction speed+cost concerns are addressed.
Merchants may begin accepting BTC payments if the fees are lower than bank transactions. That being said, not much can beat cash (but inflation will eventually kill it without any need for an outside force).

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>>128517880
The world isn't ready for real freedom.
I don't think it will ever be.

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>>128517707
Literally all you have to do to make decent gains in crypto is HODL.
If anything, you're more likely to cuck your own gains by daytrading

>>128518091
Just be a smart risk taker, when you make 500% returns take some of that profit and invest it in other coins.

>>128517376
wrong. stop talking. there are quantum resistant algorithms. quantum computers are not good at everything. bitcoin has a particular vulnerability, it is not simply victim of generalized vulnerability.

>>128517560
bitcoin has no chance of survival. those retards cant even manage to agree to make transactions happen in a reasonable amount of time. it was always dead on arrival. crypto in general, no. the broader concept has some viability.

>>128517765
no quantum vulnerable algorithm in an age of quantum computing provides a secure ledger.
bitcoin is full retard. no value proposition whatsoever.

ethereum is better, but they are being led by morons right now. the PoW to PoS justified by full retard beliefs in climate change and muh green network for example.

>>128518372
blockchains by their very design are not able to scale to global trade volume, there's a great deal of monies to be made before everyone else realizes this.

>>128518372
>in an age of quantum computing
good thing we aren't in one yet

>no value proposition
maybe in the "age of quantum computing" but we aren't there yet

>ethereum is better
different*

>but they are being led by morons right now. the PoW to PoS justified by full retard beliefs in climate change and muh green network for example.

Hey I actually agree with this. There is definitely an unhealthy cult of personality with Vitalik Buterin and the ethereum foundation. PoS is a power grab by large stake holders (ethereum foundation). I think ETC will eventually make headway over the next few years, especially after ETH tries to go makes the PoS switch. ETC's deflationary token model is more attractive too.

>>128518555
Yes, it is a modern version of a pyramid scheme whereby the pyramid is hidden in the increasing computational complexity of the block chain.

People fall for it because they believe they will get out before the next fool gets in.

I join steem yesterday. Getting paid in cryptocurrency for creating content is great.

>>128518856
>DARPA isn't 75+ years ahead technology wise
>DARPA hasn't already implemented shor's alogorithm
>LALALALALA MY PQ HASH BASED SIGNATURE SCHEME ARE GOING TO SAVE ME LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
:^)

>>128518856
I believe a good take down reason for this growth of block chains that require increased computational resources to complete transactions is environment. I find the whole concept absurd as shit given all the power and resources used simply to make it secure and of value. This is one of many reasons why the whole thing is going to be taken down or crash.

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its a trap . Dont let them label us

>>128519034
What if Bitcoin is a CIA psyop to generate SHA256 rainbow tables?

>>128518555
They are scalable, but at the cost of some level of decentralization.

Look at the internet. It could be a COMPLETELY decentralized network with no centralized backbone, but the problem is that it's too expensive for average people to afford the infrastructure required to do this. That is where telecoms transitioned to their current ISP roles.

However, over time, the cost of technology reduces and catches up to the needs of the individual. We will see this in the coming decades with the internet. Look at the services that local and regional WISPs can provide today compared to 10 years ago. This is a step towards further decentralization. Skip ahead a few decades into the future, and we'll effectively be our own ISPs.

Right now, you can run a bitcoin node on a home PC because of it's capped blocksize. This really wouldn't be possible if the blocksize was 100MB because of the bandwidth and computational power requirements. If you choose to scale crypto on chain, you need to increase the blocksize with the rate of adoption. The big unknown here is, will adoption increase faster than the cost to run a node? If so, then we will ultimately have a less decentralized network similar to how the internet backbone looks today. The silver lining is that ultimately, however long it may take, we will reach an equilibrium in cost allowing the network to decentralize out again.

>>128518555
not an interesting argument imo. rent seeking and finance consume about 50% of GDP.

people think the blockchains collectively consuming the power of a small state like denmark is an existential threat. but the electricity costs of the networks is only $4B compared to the current cost of capital of about $30T (7500x) per year

the blockchains have a market cap of about $60B right now, which is $450T scaled up 7500x, or more than double global net worth.

scalability isn't really a problem in other words.

>>128518856
>deflationary currencies are viable

you lolbertardian paultards are the bane of innovation in the crypto sphere. kys

>>128519570
They are literally not scalable in any way regardless of your definition of what scaling is, unless scaling is crying yourself to sleep praying that hard drive density continues to increase at the rate it is for the rest of time.

>>128500878
>Crypto-anarchism
Milhouse teir
Won't go anywhere

>>128519758
Even if they aren't viable as you say, the fact that they can exist and compete with inflationary currencies should be a cause for celebration, regardless of whether or not you agree with the fundamentals.

>>128519758
>scaling is not a problem with an append only merkle tree
It's amusing to see the useful idiots denying reality. It's almost like they don't understand that the coins are the method under which they'll be enslaved.

>>128519758
>>128519570
I have 2000$ to invest right now. Where should I put it?

>>128520108
buy a few guns and a shitload of ammo

>>128519999
>inflationary currencies are broken, lets compete with broken deflationary currencies

you hardly even fit the definition of being alive. all your beliefs are strictly within a preformed hegelian dialectic, as if you don't even have a brain. there is AI out there more sophisticated than your sorry state of underutilized grey matter.

>>128519758
>you lolbertardian paultards are the bane of innovation in the crypto sphere. kys
thats pretty rich since all innovation has come from them

>>128519791
But they literally ARE scalable. The reason bitcoin caps out at 7tps is because of it's arbitrary blocksize of 1mb. To scale to visa level transaction speeds, you would need ~586mb blocks. That would take an enormous amount of resources to run a node, meaning that only bitcoin based corporations would be able to. Bitcoin in this scenario would look similar to how the internet infrastructure looks today.

There are also methods to scale off chain as well as on chain, which would reduce the centralization cost of increasing block size.

>>128520426
In that scenario bitcoin ceases to be a tool for freedom, it's now just like the banks are now except in that state they are able to own you on an entirely new level, imagine if google was your bank and every transaction was unspoofable and public.
Totally decentralized~!

>>128520092
it isn't exactly a challenging problem to expire dead weight on the tree ie a yearly turnover mechanism for all coins.

the impression of scalability problems are by intent to generate the illusion of a value proposition where none existed in most crypto currencies. ethereum challenges that paradigm, albeit not very well.

>>128504410
>I usually think of that video of german cybergoth teens dancing to hardstyle under a bridge when I think of cyberpunk.
Good video. Man those chicks.

>>128520683
I'm not pretending that is a desirable scenario. I'm saying that it is infact scalable and it will have to be done gradually and with on-chain and off-chain solutions such as lightning network.

>>128520828
blockchain pruning isn't a fix, it's at best a workaround meant to work until the fad dies off and everyone cashes out.

>>128520108
download a bunch of PDF texts of shit you dont understand, buy yourself a solar charger, a tent, and a few months of food, go innawoods with no internet and educate yourself until you can produce a better answer to that question than this.

>>128501309
>all these kikes
>anarchism
It checks out

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>>128500878
>Blah blah blah, muh prediction
Seems like nonsense prognostication.
>not about Islam, feminism, cultural marxism, or nationalism
One of these is not like the others, uh oh...
>alt-right and Trump are stale memes
So THAT'S what this is about. The Guardian never fails to disappoint. Very transparent. Nationalism and Trump are gaining momentum, and the Powers That Be are scared.

>>128520305
>lets compete with broken deflationary currencies
I didn't call them broken, you did. I can't help it if you are wrong.

>>128521430
every emergent wealth concentration in all of human history has started out with a system of stabilizing currency against inflation/deflation. complex systems in decay tend towards inflationary problems, so i get where you paulturds are coming from, but deflation isn't the answer or you'd have at least one example of success. doesn't exist, never will.

>>128519451
> Bitcoin is a lot of things people don't understand it to be as are all pyramid schemes.

The whole point of them is to obfuscate who sits at the top and what the true intent of the scheme is. People are lured into and ignore this even when they know this to be the case cause : shekels. It is a scheme that uses human greed (the desire to get far more than what you put in) against people at every wrung and along each progression. It's an exploit on people's desire to exploit others.

>>128522648
Why would (((they))) need to do this when they can already create fiat at will and then spend it at it's current purchasing power (near-zero lending to banks) while it then destroys everyone else's purchasing power as a result?

>>128500878
You know nothing about crypto, OP. There's nothing anarchist about it. It all well organized around algorithms, and their design presupposes participants can overwhelmingly be expected to act in their own rational self-interest.

It is raw capitalism, plain and simple. Sorry if that hurts your fee fees, commie retard.

>>128523043
to create a market driven force that demands the creation of SHA256 ASICs so that the powers that be can accelerate the downfall of modern cryptography

>>128523158
>sees the word anarchism
>immediately makes retarded assumptions

The term "crypto-anarchism" comes from the cypherpunk community, AKA the mailing list that Satoshi Nakamoto published his white paper on, AKA the community that spurred the creation cryptocurrencies after years of failed attempts.

>>128523252
>accelerate the complexity of modern cryptographic algorithms
ftfy

>>128506324
For an example of this in the present-day world, look at the open source ecosystem.

It's extremely meritocratic and offers so much choice. If you don't like how a linux distro is set up, you can "immmigrate" to a different one.

Don't like a certain window manager? Just switch. You have a huge number of choices at every level.

Don't like living around black people? You can move to an area with a different stack of contracts. Maybe everyone has contractually agreed to pay the community significant damages if they sell property to a black person. This alone raises people's property values so of course they'll sign it voluntarily. There will be agreements to prevent insurance free riding where you pay damages on missing a payment. The world will be a mosaic of these different agreements (many of which you can buy your way out of if you wish.)

>>128523569
every crypto system deployed now will be fucked if SHA256 is even slightly marginalized.
I pray to DJB that PQC will be deployed in our lifetime.

>>128516123
It's based on the crypto market on itself, the fastest growing market.

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Who here /real NRx hours/?

>>128511568
I just dumped $500 into ETH the other day, my first foray into this world. Still definitely aware of the risks, but thanks for calming my nerves a bit.

The fire rises friends get woke with the ultimate red pill

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-physical-scientific-proof-that-Jews-were-gassed-to-death-in-Nazi-concentration-camps/answer/Damian-Graves

>>128523569
Protip: Satisho Nakamoto was not a real person.

Don't expect to engage voluntarily engage with you while you are this fucking stupid.

>>128525235
Would you prefer I used the phrase "the entity known as satoshi nakamoto"? I wasn't claiming his/her/it's identity. Fucking christ.

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>>128500905
You're doing God's work, @tumblrisms

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>>128523748
Noice, just subbed to Daniel @ twitter, thanx.

>>128525443
Yes, indeed I would prefer such language as it is clearly more technically accurate. And as such, consistent with the way persons of above average IQ generally prefer to interact with one another.

>>128518052
i feel legit scared typing those adresses into my browser

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>>128506757
>tfw vaporwave space age aiancapistan is the future
god bless

>>128525501
Are you?

I tried to help you and gave you interviews with big figures like Internet Aristocrat and you started fucking with me instead.

>>128525815
Being a pedantic fuck is not a sign of intelligence. It is a sign of autism.

>>128525845
good

>>128505104
Gut = busted

>>128526177
desu im just worried there might be cp or some shit behind it. i can take anything but that sort of shit seriously fucks with me in ways gore or other violent shit never will.
if its just hacker stuff, well i'm interested in that from a philosophical standpoint, but desu the time and energy one has to devote to understand half of what good hackers are tallking about only pays off if you do that shit for a living.
since im neither interested in money scams, security hacks, online trading of drugs or illegal porn, there likely won't be anything for me on those sites anyway right?

guess that's the problem with the dark web, its only used for unlawful activity when it could be the thriving hub of net culture, exchange of ideas, info, data.

i know i know, normies ree yadda yadda. just thinking aloud here.

>>128509287
we are very far from automating everything. even if we could automate our current lives human desires are infinite. it would be easier to automate the lives of people from previous centuries but people want all the things that make modern life easier.

>>128500878
It's not that big a deal. Human nature will always diversify resource stores. Governments can get mad if they want, but I ain't giving em shit.

>>128526101
Autism is largely independent of intelligence you uneducated, illiterate fuck.

I can promise you my IQ is higher than yours. I know as much for the simple fact that I am not a commie apologist, as seem to be.

You are defending the most epically indefinable failure of philosophy, economics, reason and common sense ever conceived by the human imagination.

Like seriously, it is more probable Jesus Christ actually existed, was born of a virgin and literally ascended into heaven than it is that communism will ever work in the human species.

I'm truly sorry your knowledge of human history has been limited to the pink-haired gender studies professors you've been suckered into to going into a lifetime of debt to be in the company of, but it's true regardless.

Communism is the single most epic failure of the human intellect, and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or wishes to see you dead.

That bullshit is the single most murderous set of words ever put to ink. Mohammed himself is fucking jealous.

>>128516707
If it's your first time buying crypto, start small.
Get 100€ in BTC via localbitcoins (good way to learn how it works), play around with an offline wallet, store a very smalll amount in it (which will get you acquainted with how tx fees work), learn how to safely encrypt your wallet data in an external, offline device or USB drive, familiarize yourself with how addresses and keys work, and only then should you move such large amounts.

Be patient, norsk friend. Haste makes waste, and it's better to learn something crucial by losing a few euros than it is to have your savings disappear because the you weren't sure how the exchange worked (they are clunky as shit, get used to the UI).

>>128506436
this is the center of the octopus doe

>>128528356
hey portu-friend, what about eth??

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>>128500878

>>128528695
Of course, both ETH and ETC are also good choices to sit on, together with BTC you have a healthy starting portfolio and with experience you'll be able to decide for yourself what other coins to invest in, if at all.

This goes for everyone reading the thread - please be careful: cryptocurrencies and the blockchain are interesting and a possibly revolutionary technology, but ONLY invest money you are TRULY prepared to lose.

This past April, with the implementation of a measure in Japan to recognize Bitcoin as a form of money, hundreds of thousand of salarymen jumped into the marked without knowing the first thing about crypto. Whenever you see these large influxes of inexperienced investors, take care with your investments.

>>128505306
Sounds orders of magnitude less gay than ancom

>>128529610
i don't know shit about crypto currencies, but from what i read eth looks more promising than btc, smart contracts stuff looks good

what should i study to get into investing in them, got any recommendation on material?

>>128531017
BTC and ETH have different use cases.

If you are interested in learning about crypto, for beginners, check out Andreas Antonopoulous' youtube channel.

>>128500878
How is decentralized currency a bad thing exactly? How is greater freedom from .gov a bad thing?

>>128509287

Simple. For one, we are going to start migrating to other planets when that becomes more feasible. Also, there will always be the creative and thinking types who will produce things we intrinsically still value like art and music. There will always still be plenty to do.

>>128533101
It's not.

>>128504797
>When I think of Crypto I usually think of Whales, pump-and-dumps, shorts, etc. etc.
We all have our our tastes in the bedroom, I guess...

>>128501309

>libertarians win and I get this dream world
>natsocs win and I get a pretty nice life

Can't lose at this rate boys

>>128523043
I used (((them))) to refer to anyone who seeks to manipulate someone through a classic Pyramid scheme.

> Why would (((they))) need to do this when they can already create fiat at will and then spend it at it's current purchasing power (near-zero lending to banks) while it then destroys everyone else's purchasing power as a result?

People want to exploit others. A classic way of doing this is exploiting their desire to exploit. Whenever you seek to exploit someone, you open yourself up to be exploited. It's a two way door. This is how all pyramid schemes maintain persistence. You come in knowing its a pyramid scheme of exploitation but go along with it because you're convinced you will be the better exploiter.

All of these digital currencies are pyramid schemes in this manner and their value increases based on it. The average person caught up in this probably has no clue on how this junk got started in the first place. No one ever stops and thinks to themselves what is the difference between them creating a digital currency in their bedroom right now and why then isn't it all just a big joke.

>>128525815
Does this not make people jumping into this pyramid scheme even more hilarious?

No one even fucking knows who created it and the whole comedy of its creation is that anyone can just wake up and create their own. 1/2 the coins could be owned by some unknown entity laughing their way to the bank and people would never know it. Modern day tulip affair.

>>128534598
>>128534950
I think it's hilarious how someone spends 10 minutes "learning about the scam" and then dismisses it as an expert.

Well hey, let's pretend it is a pyramid scheme. Satoshi Nakamoto (the supposed scammer/group of scammers) atleast did us the service of solving the byzantine general problem which was a major breakthrough in computer science.

Thanks, scammers!

>>128514989


Yeeeeessssss. Thank you for the based Peterson reference.

>>128509487

What is the name of the fork now?

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>>128535241
> Assuming I only spent 10 minutes understanding this shit show

Before bitcoin reached its silly current day valuation, people analyzed it on a purely technical basis. There was no bias or interest as bitcoins were worthless. On a technical basis, it has an incredible list of attack vectors. On a social level, it is a huge waste of power and resources. It only persists because it is a pyramid scheme with a larger goal in mind. The best pyramid scheme's capstone resides out of reach to all in the lower foundation. This isn't revealed until the scheme has achieved its intended goal. The Satoshi Nakamoto story existed and persisted as well as the obscure details of its conception for this reason.

Enjoy the ride.

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>>128502874
>>128502635

>I don't mind Bitcoins

>>128537076
Ethereum Classic is the original chain and "Ethereum" is the new chain that forced a bail out.

According to the founder of Ethereum, Vitalik Buterin, this seems like it will be a recurring theme.

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/871263595593572353

If I were a betting man long term, my money would be with Ethereum Classic.

>>128533101
> Believing something is decentralized when it has to travel over another person's network

There's a reason why serious financial transactions and data occur over a completely separate physical network than normal internet traffic...

Don't argue with the mouth breathing normie no coiners. Let them think it's a scam so we can load up on more coins. Let them buy out bags when they realize it's to late.

>>128510025
You can mine other coins, not Bitcoin, with your PC. Mining Ethereum (which has exploded in value, so at least for now this statement stands) on one 1080Ti without a special OS or overclocking and it's pulling in ETH = about $200 a month. But, 2 weeks ago, $200 of ETH was 2.5, Today, it's about 0.7

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>Julian Assange is a crypto-anarchist (before WikiLeaks he was an active member of the movement’s most important mailing list), and so perhaps is Edward Snowden. Once the obsessive and nerdy kids in school, they are now the ones who fix your ransomware blunder or start up unicorn tech firms. They are the sort of people who run the technology that runs the world.

>>128525845
fucking don't you retard

>>128500878
Blockchain is just a "smart contracts". Which mean you can deal with your "partner" directly. Right now it's just meaning "launder money", cuz you can change bitcoin to every currency you want ( Of it's gonna be controlled). Every country make they own cryptocurrency. That's mean for example, "China" you have only "Central-bank" which gonna issue they own currency, they simple make the law: Now we have national coins and use the bitcoins is illegal now, or you should change the " your currency" to "ourcurrency" and after this you are free to do what you want but inside our technology. ( same blockchain ).
cryptocurrency right now:
- Very good speculative instrument, if you can make profit from this "JUST DO IT".
- Still no laws about cryptocurrency. ( yes, "it's a digital currency", it's the only one thing , that governments say right now ).
- If right now you have the several banks where you can take the "credit", they make the profit in ( % ) of this deal and every Transaction between you and your client.. instead this you gonna have the one "Central-bank" which gonna do everything: 1) W/o ( % ) of deal.
Bank just gonna be the instrument of control of illegal transactions, but he's still gonna use "emission". ( in my marginal mind ).
- people still change cryptocurrency to $: so it's just a uncontrolled instrument to speculative and launder money. { if you don't pay the taxes: medicine, police, education. they just stop to working }.
- big company have the interest to don't pay the ( % ) for big transactions.
- Nobody use the cryptocurrency, people change the "coins" to $ :D
-so, just make profit from this, until the "laws" is not control the cryptocurrency.

Good time to create the Gold from the "space energy of Allah"

>>128509655
The alt-right was specifically coined as a term for the identiarian umbrella politics of mostly liberal conservative and right-wing (a synthesis of natsoc, ancap and nrx) people opposed to neo-conservative establishment policies that would give rise to an opposition movement. Which it did. Successfully I might add. The alt-right term and its usefulness were 100% bankrupted by people like you who tried to separate it out, and as usual in purity spirals, the nazis managed to get themselves to the fucking forefront and screech the loudest.

>>128537739
Who cares about the current price? Obviously there is wild speculation and there has been and there will continue to be large bubbles that leave retards penniless. None of that fucking matters when looking at the technology.

>incredible list of attack vectors
No, dumbass, the reason it's price has increased to absolute insane levels is BECAUSE it has not been exploited at the protocol level. It's antifragility has allowed these bubbles to continue to grow. Sure, go ahead and make the argument that the "plan" is to wait until a peak to exploit the protocol. I guess hordes of individual actors with countless different motivations scrutinizing the open source code weren't able to find those exploits?

You know, 6 years ago I remember reading the pyramid scheme claims about how one guy is scamming everyone and going to pull the plug at $1 - $10 - $30, etc.

Now, after years of infrastructure growth, venture capital investments, and government regulation, those same people still cry scam. However, this time around it's not just a dude in his basement scamming guys out of a few bucks. Now its a massive globalist/jewish/nsa/cia/cthulu plan to make a one world currency/crack encryption/control the black market/crash the global finance system.

I'm not even claiming bitcoin is the currency of the future, or that it will even be around in 10 years. I literally can't know that. But to claim that the technology behind cryptocurrencies is an elaborate scheme to scam people out of their money is woefully ignorant and lacking any evidence whatsoever.

Invest in Ripto Bux if you want to see massive gains in the next few weeks

>>128500878
weinstein and the koch brothers can get fucked by major fucking spikes.

invest here -> sh0.co

read the white paper and thank me in 3 days ;)

we had agents in the briefing when the term alt-right was made up by clinton staffers.

>>128538090
>Believing something is decentralized when it has to travel over another person's network
Thats exactly what decentralized means. You are also missing the cryptography component.

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>>128539992
yeah I am sure your GOOGLECOINS TM CO will be totally underground bro.

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>>128509287
feels good that my job will likely not be automated this century.

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>>128540164
theres robots for everything.

Name your job and Ill show you your replacement.

>>128539653
Blockchain protocol is unironically one of the biggest developments in modern society. The repercussions will echo farther than the invention of packet switching. Its use extends far beyond money transfers and ,as you say, it seems nearly infallible. That said Im a retard with no skills to speak of so if theres anyone here who actually understands this stuff (specifically blockchains, currency and economics) on a fundamental level Id have some questions id love to ask

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>>128540296
http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/05/08/bitcoin-connection-cia-satoshi-nakamoto/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking

Just call up your local office its way easier than dealing with all the cia cryptology.

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I don't know if this post is 404'd yet but I want to post before it does. I have been fucking saying this on /pol/ for a while. Finally. We are going to be rich together. Think of the irony when all the wealth goes to the crowd of people the sjw crowd hates. That's exactly what's happening with crypto. The wealth is being transferred. (((They))) are fucked.

>>128540507
Did you even read the article you linked?

It literally claims that the theory is retarded.

>>128540507
1) not really sure what connection youre getting at here. That the CIA developed bitcoin to increase the robustness and anonymity of the very black markets they seek to control?
2) office of what

>>128540823
>http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/05/08/bitcoin-connection-cia-satoshi-nakamoto/

Yeah just ignore the part where Satoshi Nakamoto himself says he has nothing to do with it and its really hurt his life.