Why do you hate gays yet love the Greek and Roman Empires?

I understand the majority of Gays today are degenerate Idiots, but in Ancient Greece they were alright, they were rapists

>>128494054
Because Greeks and romans didn't understand sexually like we do today, they understood masculine and feminine, if you were the penetrator you were a man but if you were penetrated you wasn't, only men could take part in politics, fags aren't men so weren't allowed.

DESU most of /pol/ understands sexually the same as this, it's ok to fuck boy pussy but it's not ok to be a faggot or boy pussy

Because the modern conception of homosexuality did not exist in ancient Greece and Rome. Sex between two males was almost always between an older man and a younger boy or slave.

>>128494054
What they practised was pederasty, which means fucking young boys.

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>>128494054
>The Greek and Roman empires were the pinnacle of European cultures

>>128494054
Kikes push for sodomy.

>>128494054

This is a lie that started to get a footing in the late 19th century by means of homosexual activist scholars with an agenda.

See Adonis Georgiades' book "Homosexuality In Ancient Greece: The Myth is Collapsing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-g53NYkcCU

>>128495287
>Nazi Germany: 12 years
>Roman Empire: 422 years

It was what brought the Roman Empire to its knees.In the last years the emperor got mocked and laughed at in poems for only fucking one women and no men.

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A lot of the idea of Greek and Roman “acceptance” of homosexuality has been blown out of proportion by A. early Christians who wanted to make the Greeks look degenerate by their standards, and B. 20th century theorists who see two naked figures on a pot and describe it as eroticism even if they are fighting. The pots which did represent actual gay sex–censored by intercrucial depictions–are few. And does the existence of homosexual pornography tell us the society as a whole generally thought homosexuality was natural and good? Of course not. Then there’s the whole term pederasty and what we translate as “lover.” If pederasty was about sex, then why was admiring boys in a sexual way frowned upon? We know there were prohibitions of this. It seems that what we translate as “lover” should more likely be translated as “teacher.” There’s also no real evidence that Alexander the Great was gay. All we have is his extremely close friendship with Hephaestion and one event where he kissed a eunuch, whom the crowd shouted for him to kiss. And there’s also another account of people lining up to be kissed by Alexander, so this may have been a tribute thing.
Here is the account: Plutarch’s Life of Alexander 67.4
“We are told, too, that he was once viewing some contests in singing and dancing, being well heated with wine, and that his favorite, Bagoas, won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theater and took his seat by Alexander’s side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.”

>>128496473
>Hungary : 1122 years
>Roman Empire: 422 years
>3rd Reich: 12 years
But thats not how it works.

>>128496522
Here is the account: Plutarch’s Life of Alexander 67.4
“We are told, too, that he was once viewing some contests in singing and dancing, being well heated with wine, and that his favorite, Bagoas, won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theater and took his seat by Alexander’s side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.”
So, yeah, probably not a gay thing anymore than a European noble kissing the king’s finger or French and Italians kissing each other’s cheeks. We also know that Alexander’s parents feared for his sexuality early on. Among hundreds of quotes that could be presented, one of the most interesting comes from Athenaeus of Naucratis and his “The Deipnosophists” (X. 45). “And Hieronymus, in his “Letters”, says that Theophrastus says that Alexander was not open to ‘bodily pleasures’; and accordingly, when Olympian had given him Callixene, a Thessaian courtesan, for a mistress , who was a most beautiful woman, and all this was done with the concept of Philip, [for they were afraid that he would become effeminate], she was constantly obliged to ask him herself to do his duty by her.”
I “wonder” what the context of “effeminate” might be in a passage in which his parents, worried about his lack of desire, are hiring a female prostitute for him. Alexander would later go on to have recorded sexual relationships with women, yet the only proof of any with men is that he had a really really close friend, and that a crowd told him to kiss a eunuch once. That’s it. Time and again, that’s how Greek life is reinterpreted. Early Christians made the Greeks gay to shame the pagans and later intellectuals enthusiastically embraced this narrative by cherrypicking sources.

those empires fell due to the degeneracy

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Sodomy–the modern definition of anal sex rather than the Middle Ages’ of bestiality, et. al.–was punishable by death in most of the city-states of Greece. Pederasty was institutional in some cases (Sparta and Thebes), but penetrative sex was not. And in Athens, the openly homosexual could not own property, and, by extension, vote or serve in a public office.
In Rome, homosexuality was considered a vice. You were technically allowed to sodomize a male slave, but doing so would be looked at as a “decadent Greek practice.” Though the openly homosexual could own property, they could not hold office or military rank. Homosexual activity of any type with a fellow citizen meant that you would be cast out of social circles. Receiving sodomy was a crime punished by revocation of property, and, by extension, rights of citizenship. In some Providences, it was punished by death or exile.
Now let’s compare that to Middle Ages Europe. The punishment for sodomy? A fine, or a five year sentence if you were unable to pay the fine. Sodomy was not punished by death, though you could be cast out of the priesthood for it. They could not revoke property or noble status for the discovery of homosexual activity. This had to do with the philosophy of the time. Homosexuality and sodomy (homosexual or otherwise) was seen as the logical extension of uncontrolled lust–the desire for sex without reproductive function. By their philosophy, anyone had the potential to become a sodomite. As such, the punishments were lenient compared to Rome or Greece. Only certain groups within society–like certain nobles who under Roman law were literately above the common law–could do this without consequences.
KILL ALL FAGGOTS AND ALL FAGLOVERS.

>>128496473
>Roman Empire: 422 years

Try 1480 you illiteratus

>>128494054
The gay thing happened when the Greek were at their decline, not at their peak.

>>128497127
There is a difference between the Roman Republic,the Roman Empire and the holy roman empire.

>>128497347
Who even gives a fuck about HRE, it was shit tier compared to the ERE

>>128494054
What the fuck are you talking about? Half of /pol/ are faggots and worship Milo.

>>128494054
Do you understand that homosexuality becoming greater was a markstone for the fall of these civilizations?

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>>128497463
Shit tier is a diplomatic name.

>>128497564
HOLY FUCKING RAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE

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>>128494054
Being gay ≠ having sex with other men

>>128494054
Gays were still considered creepy perverts back in Roman times.
I'm not familiar with the Greeks, though, I never studied them much.

>>128495287
byzantium survived till the early 1600s

>>128496077
This. Kikes spreading lies.

>>128494054
who said I said gays? I just hate sjws.

>>128497564
RARE
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>>128497926
no

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>>128497564
>Aland
>population: 28,000
>1 in 253,000 people live here
RARE RARE RARE RARE RARE

>>128497347
1480 doesn't include the Roman Republic and there is no difference between the Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire. At some point the empire was so vast that i had to be split in halves, the Eastern Roman Empire (or Byzantine Empire) was a continuation of the Roman Empire in every aspect.

>>128496077
oh wow sharing a video without any sources, go die in a terrorist attack you fag

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>>128494054

it's been a difficult weekend for our roach-ish brethren. take it easy on them, will ya?

>>128494054
Boypussy is redpilled

>>128494054
I don't hate all gays, and I don't hate someone because they are gay, I just hate degenerates, and that goes for both sexual orientations.

>>128494606

Not true.

/pol/ really doesn't understand ancient homosexuality. For example, a lot of people associate the gay sex with philosophers and degeneracy in Athens, but Athens actually outlawed the practice, and philosophers spoke out against it all the time.

Homosexuality was actually practiced more in Sparta - and in fact was MANDATORY within the military.

The idea was that it was a deep form of male bonding, and men that bonded well with each other fought to protect each other more than those that did not.

Homosexuality in ancient times was different from homosexuality in modern times. It was a veneration of the masculine. In modern times, homosexuality is a usually a rejection of the masculine, which is why so many fags are so effeminate.

>>128499070
>Gay
>Not being a degenerate

>>128499240
t. homofag

>>128498108
>1600's
I think you mean 1453.

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>>128494054
Do you know that I fucked your mom's asshole raw back in 1983? Shit ripped and she had to get some dumpster surgery on her gushy gash if u kno what I mean.

>>128498571
The Byzantine Empire was the successor of the Roman Empire,not the continuation of it in every aspect.Thats a slight difference.You can say it was the continuation of the roman culture,but not the Empire.

>>128499240

Yep. Accurate.

>>128499581

I'm not saying it was a good thing. I'm just saying it was a lot different from the way homosexuality is practiced today. We view ancient homosexuality through the lens of modern homosexuality, when in reality it was something so different that it's almost alien to us now.

>>128494054
plenty of romans and greeks ridiculed and disdained faggotry.

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>>128499808
If that dude jerks off without lube, do you think it pulls hairs out the entire time?

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The widespread degeneracy surrounding homosexuality has actually made it worse for sane gay people. You litterally can't be gay without being seen as a complete aids ridden fag lord because this is the image gays are depicted with and actually themselves are proud of for some retarded reason. I... I just want a cute trap girlfriend that wouldn't be a leftist degenerate is that so much to ask for ?

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>>128499837
No it's actually the exact reverse. WRE fell right after it's partition.

The last redpill is pederasty.

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>>128500463
>This article is about the medieval Roman empire
You have to scroll down a bit,anon.

>>128494311
>having a wrongly wired biological attraction system is degenerate.
>taking away a human ability to chose partners and using them as an object for your pleasure like an animal isn't degenerate.

Actually kill yourself faggot.

>>128501055
>Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων may be transliterated in Latin as Basileia Rhōmaiōn, meaning Roman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire was all the successor of the Byzantine Empire but they both obviously have nothing to do with each other

>>128501299
>having a wrongly wired biological attraction system is degenerate.
He never said that. He said that the majority of Gays are degenerates, not that 'being gay' is degenerate.

>>128502060
>Basileia Rhōmaiōn
You mean Imperium Romanorum if we talk about latin?
I think it should be obvious we fight the language barrier war by now.
If i ask my old history teacher when did the Empire fall he will tell me the western date.
I have to ask for the Byzantine separately.
Thats why i say it continued with the culture,but not the Empire.

>>128496473
>>128498108
>empire lasted longer
>therefore it was better
I'm also including the second Reich.

The prevelance and importance of homosexuality in ancient Greek and Roman culture is heavily exaggerated.

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>>128494054
It wasn't as common and promoted as it is today, there's no proof that Alexander the Great and Caesar were gay/bi, no actual proof the Spartans were pederasts (Xenophon was the only writer who knew them and explicitly denied it), and the Romans saw open sexuality and promiscuity as a form of weakness and vice.

>>128497117
Wrong. Xenophon explicitly denied pederasty in ancient Sparta, and the relationship was basically that of a knight and his squire.

>>128496850
Plutarch was a propagandist who regularly told falsehoods with no backing.

Almost everything you hear about homosexuality in the ancient world was made up by college professors in the 70s as they began their rewriting of western history.

>>128498793
What are you talking about?
The video gives lots of sources from ancient writings.

>>128498793
Someone obviously didn't watch the video

>>128497117
>>128496850
>>128496522
Can somebody give scholarly sources on this stuff? I'd like to read it to round out my grasp of classical history.

>/pol/ is one person

Some people are born gay, it's a chemical imbalance in the brain. It is wrong to hate some one for how they are born. It is like a tiny % of people who are gay. I don't agree with homosexuality being pushed through media because I don't believe media or government should be involved in anyone sex life.

>>128506440
It's bullshit, and Plutarch is an awful source. Look at his face and compare it to the masculine and agressive ones of most Greco-Romans. This was one of history's first leftists.

Here's a video that uses literal laws and contemporary writings of that time to debunk this 20th century myth pushed by literal gay activists.
>>128496077

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>>128507240
Pic related. A numale with a beard

>>128499240
Gay sex in sparta bullshit was a propaganda piece by greek hating turanists literally spreading fake news but nice try anyway you faggot

>>128507589

Nope. Not even that unique to Sparta, really. A lot of ancient martial cultures had homosexuality as part of their military culture.

>>128508456
Yea a lot of military cultures had rampant homosexuality but not spartans

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>>128508456
Xenophon was the only ancient writer who had spent time in Sparta and sent his sons to the agoge. If he explicitly said the Spartans didn't practice homosexuality/pedastery, then they probably didn't. You've been eating up 20th propaganda by gay activists and cherrypicked slander from unreliable sources from hundreds of years later.

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>>128497564
r a r e

>>128497564
R A R E
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>>128509218

I never said pederasty. Pederasty was a greek custom that many in Greece actually frowned upon, but which nevertheless happened. I said martial homosexuality. And Xenophon was a citizen of Athens. In Athens, homosexuality was a crime, so he had motivation to lie to protect himself and his sons. He was also only specifically referencing the mentor/student aspect of pederasty, which at the time of Xenophon had been made punishable by death or exile in Sparta. (Not the relationship itself, it continued in a true mentor/student role, but sexual relations between older men and younger men had this punishment.)

>>128500121
>dude

Anon..

>>128494473
>being this fucking uneducated

You realize there's more to "homosexuality" than simply penetration, right? Saying it was merely a manifestation of dominance is just retarded. Not only that, but more often than not penetration didn't even happen. It was more related to Eros (not the Ancient Greek God but Eros as a concept), and this was especially true when it came to pedophilia, or otherwise 'Pederasty' which would be the proper term (Ped - erasty. "Erasty" referring to Eros).

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>>128499240
We need to make homosex manly again.

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>>128494054

>>128494054
Oh look, it's the "ancient greek were embracing homosexuality" bullshit again. Do your research faggot and stop parroting every lie you hear from your lgbt friends.

>>128495287

Nazi Germany was total shit, National Socialism was as revolutionary and anti-traditional as Soviet Communism was

Neo-Nazis just can't handle the fact that people they'd consider to be subraces laid the foundation of Western civilisation

>>128494054
this is a false narrative
Greeks and Romans hated homosexuality
they just wrote things down more than other civilizations so they wrote down the disgusting degeneracy of homosexuality

ROMANS LITERALLY USED HOMOSEXUALITY AS AN INSULT IN THEIR WRITING YOU IDIOTS

>>128495287
If you're implying Nazi Germany was ever even on par with any Roman Empire than I feel sorry for you because you must have a mental disability.

>>128516552
Wasn't there graffiti about buttsex on the walls of Pompeii?

>>128513686
these cocksuckers are mocking us

>>128513686

hmmmm..... really makes one ponder..

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>>128517114
There was one about oral sex

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>>128517114
Kek "John is a fag" was an insult for 2000 years.

>>128494054
>Praised homosexuality

They actively berated anyone who participated in it though, and those who participated in it were usually rich tyrants who could get away with it.

Same with the Greeks. The whole "ancient history was gay" meme is just that. A meme.

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Non-procreative sex is unclean.
The Greeks and Romans practiced human sacrifice.