Redpill me on Elon Musk and cleantech

>>128436027
http://mileswmathis.com/musk.pdf

>>128436142
The fuck is this shite?

If you've ever listened to Elon Musk when he's explaining a problem and its solution, he's amazing. His ability to find pathways to a solution reminds me of Feynman.

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>>128436027
I think Elon is a lot cleverer than /pol/acks give him credit for
>be elon
>grow up in Pretoria, South Africa
>redpilled from a young age about the true nature of niggers, (((democracy))) and (((socialism)))
>Get out of SA as fast as possible, make one's way to US
>Make a shitton of money in the Internet boom
>Realize that he is essentially stranded now, like most Internet boom billionaires - they made their money, and it's impossible to really make any more because you can't invent the Internet twice
>Realize that the only way you can gain a fuckton of assets constantly in our rigged (((mixed economy))) is via government support
>Jump on the environmental bandwagon hardcore
>Get subsidies, tax breaks, every kind of legislative free pass from bureaucrats and politicians who want to appeal to the faggot green lobby
>Virtue signal constantly about muh environment, muh future for all of humanity
>Secretly laugh as your money piles up
>Funnel most of these assets into SpaceX, not TesLARP or SolarShitty
>Develop affordable interplanetary travel
>Establish Mars colony, become the most famous and brilliant man ever and everyone wants to suck your cock
>Even more money piles up
>Mars colony grows rapidly thanks to government funding
>One day in the 2060s, the colony is finally ready to be self sufficient
>89 year old Musk coughs across the intercom
>"Execute Order 88"
>"Of Article 14"
>Every single diversity token nigger on Mars is thrown out of airlocks by AWB members that seem to have been engineers just moments before
>US flag and SpaceX flag torn down, replaced by pic related
>Elon appears on the world's TV's, phone screens and VR sets, all now serviced by SpaceX internet
>"Come home, white man"
>Rockets leave every day
>Earth collapses into anarchy and civil war as all the intelligent whites who ran everything have gone
>1 Trillion Year Martian Reich begins
>mfw

>>128437688
I'm so skeptical.

There's a LOT of smart people out there. A lot. Naturally gifted. Educated. Hardworking.

Elon Musk, a single man, somehow managed to find solutions for: 1. Solar energy 2. Electric cars 3. Autonomous driving 4. Space travel 5. Hyperloop 6. Boring company 7. Neural-computer link

The man is full of shit. I can't wait for the crash.

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>>128436027
Soon it won't matter anymore.

>>128437688
Link to example?

>>128436027
hes full of shit and the only way his Tesla are affordable is because our dumb shit government subsidizes the fuck out of his cars and company

>>128438056
kys nigger

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>>128439161
>>128438056
>>128437688
I've got the impression that he and his companies run on government subsidies and hype. How profitable is Tesla and have they made any significant technological leaps?

>>128439506
Is Tesla going to go bust now that Trump is the head honcho?

>>128436027
This guy is the new steve jobs. Basically a snake oil salesman who leftist worship for some reason. This guy has ll kinds of ideas that never pan out. His "solar roof" was originally pitched as cheaper and longer lasting than a regular roof, average cost would be over 30,000$ and only lasts 10 years. But hes a hero right? Just like jobs selling you a $10 piece of chinese sht for $700

>>128436027
Why is it that gov't has to subsedize all this...buddys got billions, so spend your own money to get it done...and we always find more oil...you green freaks have been claiming 'peak oil' for 60 odd years now...

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>>128436027
not full of shit

he admits that tesla is overvalued

he's basically a nerd from south africa who read too many scifi novels as a kid and was attacked so harshly by others that he developed extremely high standards for himself such that he has to work 100 hours a week on his scifi fantasies or feel like a complete failure in life.

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Mars has no magnetic field to protect it from solar wind

Mars will never have a biosphere

Elon Musk smells

>>128436027
His products and industries are not sustainable or affordable. His business functions off of government subsidy.

So naturally he would be on board with the PCA, Paris Climate Accord, because it means he'll get those sweet gibs.

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>>128436027
well I think I have this right. someone please correct me if I'm wrong. But solar city, his solar panel company was failing so hard that he was forced to buy it back from it's stockholders and pull it under the tesla umbrella. that solar shit just cannot compete at this moment without subsidies. it's that simple. Good for him trying to improve the technology but don't come running to me to give you my money to subsidize your failing business

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Elon is fucking awesome. I love my Model S and the rockets he builds are unbelieveable. Gets me so excited every time to watch the launches and landings. If he keeps this shit up, we will have a bright future on earth.

Also look at this fucking rocket man. That thing will be built

>>128436027
He's full of US government subsidies, which will be gone soon.

>>128440324
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>>128440323
How should cleantech and renewable energy sources be researched and developed then? Solely by private parties? Should government interfere at all?

>>128436027
He is a weird as fuck reptilian autist who looks like he bought his human mask when it was on sale at the dollar store. And he is stupid enough to be marrying a confirmed gold digger like Amber Heard. If he is that fucking weird and stupid, I don't trust the fuck and neither should you.

>>128440744
so what?
Better he uses the subsidies to launch people into space than jews using subsidies to launch niggers into your neighbohood.

>>128440782
This whole muh subsidies is a meme.

Without subsidies, the renewable energy sector wouldn't go anywhere. It baffles me that people try to shame him for using this system for its exact purpose. Appartently people want him to make horrible business on purpose.

>>128440782
they can be researched at universities and private companies like they already are, and developed by private companies like they already are. Just don't ask me to fork over one penny of my money to help you pay for it.

Quite based when it comes to tech, but should have known his place not to question Trump, who leads the government that subsidizes everything that is under Tesla and SpaceX

Paypal was 20 years ago, and it will be decades until his ideas become profitable, electric cars as a whole are not, but other car makers experiment with them for to get moral points, but all in all they have their base income from common vehicles, whilst Musk obv hasn't

I admire how passionate he is about what he does, shows he's really into it, but he gets carried away, like with the paris meme.

You can see the passionate part where an interviewer asks his opinion on pioneer astronauts saying spacex is shit and musk too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwZyyAxkqQc

around 12 minute mark

>>128436027
He's full of shit. He has all these ideas that are sci-fi tier. He feuls his companies by hype from autistic freshmen in colledge. Not even /sci/ likes him.

>>128441135
>Without subsidies, the renewable energy sector wouldn't go anywhere
Exactly, Hans. Why should it go anywhere if people don't want to pay for it?
I agree with >>128441042 though. We're not going to get a free economy soon or ever, so while we do have a mixed economy we might as well subsidize cool shit rather than nannying minorities and third-worlders.

>>128441425
>wants to progress human society
>not based

yea if you could go ahead and off yourself that would be great. We need visionaries like him.

>>128441135
But why should government subsidize it all? Where are all the climatefags when it comes to fueling such research? I have yet to seen a single worth wile fund where they pour their money

>>128436027

He is a tech god, he is legit

Lots of idiots are envious of his super brainiac archimedes tier level of genius status, and hate him for it, they can't even scratch at his dirt worth

>>128441425

He is the true one fuhrer, you are just a fat faggot virgin

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>>128441135
I'd be more understanding if government, and the people it represents, would be the the sole or main beneficiary, but it seems to me that Musk is just playing the system by socializing the costs and privatizing the profits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk

>>128436142
Totally retarded drivel. Fuck musk but this pdf is stupid on so many levels.Not surprising coming from a leaf.

>>128436027

He is hopelessly trying to play transhumanist in a world that is strongly rigged against it, and without changing the way the world works. Of course we would all want fully automated gay luxury space ancap but it's simply unfeasible and incompatible with democracy. As the saying goes, democracy CONSUMES progress, not drive it. Unless he has a secret plan of world domination to enforce everyone to welcome the huge cultural changes his tech implies, he won't see any of what he's doing during his lifetime.

>>128439161

He's not smart, he's just rich. He made a fortune on Pay Pal and just blows money on science fiction. Most of his science fiction companies get a lot of Government funding.

I personally think the technocracy is just hype and no substance, but since we are not in the future yet, I can't really prove it. It's the same logic as flying car videos in the 60's.

>>128436027
Just another Kike using 'muh green tech' to not pay taxes.

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>>128441803
College freshmen spotted. I see that your spring break has started.

>>128436027
biggest conman of our time

>>128440782
cleantech will be pursued and exploited when it becomes economically profitbale to do so. Currently it is better to build a coal power planet than 5000km of solar panels.

>>128441135
It's not really a meme, it just demonstrates that renewable energy is only sustainable when it's subsidized by Government money and the fossil fuel industry.

Elon Musk should buy a small island somehwere and create his own country called Musk, so he can live out his sci-fi utopian ideal society and build a small city from the ground up.

I bet it would collapse within 50 years.

>>128442033

I work in a lab in the local university. The progress in Biotech that is happening right now will come to fruition in the next 1-2 decades. The future will hit hard and change everything. What it means to be a human will change. There will be two species in about 50 years. Technocracy is the future and everything will change.

>>128441894
>that video

jesus christ how does musk actually propose this hyperloop with a straight face?

>>128436027
Research on renewable energy sources should be encouraged, but as long as green tech is nothing but an economic disaster for the countries that are using them, fossilized fuel and especially nuclear power remains our best option hands down.

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>>128441135
>Without subsidies, the renewable energy sector wouldn't go anywhere.

It seems that even with subsidies there are quite the few bumps on the road to cleantech utopia. I mean, don't you have your own problems with solar and wind energy Hans? You fell for the Energiewende meme and are now correcting the course, right?

http://www.rp-online.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/deutsches-stromnetz-schrammt-am-blackout-vorbei-aid-1.6636489

http://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/teurer-strom-und-monstertrassen-so-sieht-deutschlands-energiewende-2016-aus/13983046.html

http://www.wiwo.de/politik/deutschland/energie-energiewende-wird-scheitern/8784460.html

>>128442070
>immediately dismissing any alternative viewpoint using buzzwords or name-calling

lel

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>>128443131
>There will be two species in about 50 years.

Please elaborate, I thought whites and niggers were already different species.

>>128443370

Ofcourse there are problems. We just donr habe enough capacity to save the excess energy. But who on their right mind would have thought this is going to be easy and without massive costs?

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>>128443884
>60 %

Forest responds how you shout there.

>>128443131
No it won't, because bankrupt Governments spending billions fighting against radical terrorist in the next 10-20 years won't be able to mass implement anything.
Not to mention the crazy conservative backlash against any type of technology.
Technocrats completely forget the human psychology factor. People don't want automated cars, they don't trust them. People don't want to eat GMO foods.

You are being played.Tesla and electric cars are not enviroment friendly.Battery needs litium, mining litium destroys enviroment.
Change battery at least every 3 years - make a fuckton of highly toxic waste.
And you fuckers eat it up that its clean.

>>128436142
This is astonishingly retarded. Hang yourself.

>>128444632
Not to mention the fossil fuel power plants used to charge it, and the energy wasted transferring across power lines instead of just burning it at the source.

>>128437624
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>>128444213
Why are Europeans so retarded? It's like they're only on one layer of irony.

>>128436027
He's smart but most of his views are Utopian, and his ideas for tech unrealistic for the world of today. I think he suffers from the old Ivory Tower syndrome, being that he mostly surrounds himself with scientific and engineering elites.

>>128444774
Lets continue with how spaceX is only working because nasa gave him tech?

>>128443990
Well yes but the difference will be even bigger. We can understand very complex interactions in the Human DNA. Its just a matter of time untiö we understand exactly the Outcome of any DNA change. Rich people will be the first to modify their DNA. It will probably start with small modifications and life extension measures. Already a CEO prolonged their telomeres. Even a nigger can become genetically a scandinavian with enough money. And not just an average one, the best possible version.

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>>128444213
>But who on their right mind would have thought this is going to be easy and without massive costs?

Don't know exactly what kind of discussion you've had in Germany regarding the Energiewende, but I think the regular folk usually don't chime in chime until they finally see the electricity bill.

The problem also seems to be the irregular nature of sun and wind activity.

>>128436027
I'm all for renewable/cleaner energy, but Elon Musk is just another obnoxious pop "scientist" in the same vein as BIll Nye and Black Science Man

>>128444431
The fight against terrorism is not that expensive. But we will see who will be correct soon. I think you overestimate the threat of terrorists. Today the world is extremly peaceful compared to any point in history before.

>>128444939
They did because me managed to shoot a satelite into orbit at a fraction of the cost, so the obvious reaction is to give him a contract

>>128445479
What is obvious is that nobody is allowed to go "space" without nasa.They worked together with nasa before the first satellite.

>>128444431
People will want them when theyre statistically 100x safer drivers than humans. The tech will be there at the end of next year

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>>128444958
>Even a nigger can become genetically a scandinavian with enough money. And not just an average one, the best possible version.

Is that why there was hardly any niggers in Gattaca?

>>128444431
Automated cars are already reality. I enjoy not having to lift a finger when being driven by my car. Not talking about GMOs. Which are already a reality i am talking about human genome Manipulation. GMOs habe zero downsides and are basically everywhere already.

>>128445675
Why would you choose to be a nigger if you have the option ?

>>128436027
His company needs environmental gibs to exist.
Electric cars are stupid. I look forward to a future where I can hack an engine and make it explode.
Lets keep things analog please.

>>128445647
SpaceX is just a private contractor.

SpaceX is not owned or controlled by NASA in any way. Its commercial relationship to NASA is quite different from that of the various companies that built the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, and Space Shuttle vehicles. In those cases, NASA paid for the whole thing, including cost overruns. In this case, SpaceX is being paid specifically for particular deliverables and only those items, on a milestone basis. No performance, no money, and any extra money that is required has to come from SpaceX itself.

SpaceX's work on the human-rated Dragon crew capsule, for example, is almost entirely being funded by themselves.

>>128445840
Athletes will choose to be a nigger.

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>>128444911
You should listen when the grown ups speak, boy.

>>128445894
Even combustion engines cars are computers today. Everything is ran through the CAN bus

>>128445959
Stop changing the subject.We were talking about how nasa gave him TECH before contracts.

>>128444939
It works? 50% of them explode.

>>128446132
It's nowhere near the same thing and you know it.

>>128446094
Embarrassing.

>>128446137
Not the case, since Elon Musk pumped all of his money from Paypal into SpaceX for a 4th launch of the Falcon 1. Up until their success, their had no connection to NASA and were 100% privately funded. Elon even said he had to borrow cash to pay for his rent.

>>128445366
>Not that expensive.
Yet.
I don't under estminate the threat of terrorism, I think are over estimating the spending power of Governments in the near future.
You are STILL on QE. We don't realize how bad the economy is, yet. Once the economy starts to cave in on itself, that's when poverty and lawlessness will increase, and the Government will be spending most of it's time trying to maintain order during a depression.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/dec/08/ecb-stimulus-qe-draghi-italy-bank-rescue-business-live

You can't run a technocracy on borrowed money.

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>>128446599
Checked. Use archiving
>https://theguardian com/business/live/2016/dec/08/ecb-stimulus-qe-draghi-italy-bank-rescue-business-live
https://archive.is/cpkrV

>But he invented electric cars
No, he bought that company
>But he made civilian space travel
No. He he bought that too. It's doing well as the next Lockheed. No civies are in space but he gets some government contracts so that's good money. It's a defense company.
>My PayPal
Got me there I guess. Pretty sure his brother did the coding work on that.

He's a good businessman but no supergenius. He branded himself as "so smart". He's not. He's good at branding. So funny he's running a company running off the military industrial complex and getting everyone so excited about it.

>>128439161
If you knew about his and Peter thiels philosophy for business you might understand why he had so many projects. To advance we must create new technologies rather than stagnate. Instead of them hoarding their shekels they invest in new technologies

>>128445710

Sure, and how long will that software be reliable for? A year? Maybe 2? We can't afford to replace automated cars everytime a new road is paved, or an extra lane is added. If it wasn't for the real cars they can follow, they would be useless.
Maybe you haven't seen the one lane highways in Canada in the middle of the night, but I certainly wouldn't trust my life with an automated car.

>>128446548
Even osmium is not this dense.
Fuck off if you cant understand that its about fucking technology, not money and contracts.
No connections with nasa is why his team was full of nasa scientists.

>>128446218
It actually is, there are even Hackathons with combustion engine cars. Modern cars are computers and can be controlled entirely digitally. If your car has a lane keeping assist system, you can even controll the steering wheel digitally.
Look up George Hotz and his startup comma.ai. They made a business out of hacking combustion engine vars and making them self driving.

Elon Musk will live on Mars in 2020.

>>128446775
>ex NASA scientists.

Sorry, Elon is just that good.

>>128436027

If he was so cool, he would be building the cars in ways that he wouldn't need money and selling them for 100% profit.

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>>128436027
"REDPILL ME ON X" IS BANNED THREAD

>>128445665

There's a 1/1 million chance your car could just make an error and kill you. Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather control my life than have the "system" decide who randomly needs to die today.
Not to mention the IT security flaws that will never get addressed.
Computers are not nearly as reliable as people think they are. If the memory gets damaged or the computer operates at the wrong temperature, it could cause all kinds of miscalculations and fuck ups.

>>128446975
Sorry that you are this dense that you believe nasa scientists that have oversight about tech can just go when they like it.

>>128446836
>Modern cars
Fuck that shit.
No onboard computer should be accessable without a physical connection.
>lane keeping assist system
Stupid worthless bullshit. I rented a car with this shit and hated it. Another thing no car should have.
I have an older car. Modern cars are all shit. I'll probably do everything I can to avoid ever owning a modern piece of shit. At the very least I'll be changing some shit.

>>128447134
Facts say otherwise. The Model S has about 250 million miles of autopilot driving and so far only one death. Statistically there is one fatal accident for every 100 million miles driven. Not the mention the lives autopilot has saved. As the technology progresses people will get more comfortable with it.

>>128447134
>Computers are not nearly as reliable as people think they are. If the memory gets damaged or the computer operates at the wrong temperature, it could cause all kinds of miscalculations and fuck ups.

This guy is an idiot

>>128436027
He's just waiting for some of that Paris Accord billions.

That's it.

>>128438056
I agree. No way Musk is bluepilled. Peter Thiel was one of his mentors and he tends to be pretty based on enviromental issues. I believe he's endorsed Moral Case for Fossil Fuels

>>128436027
You retards heres how his scam works. He is basically in the finance industry.
>shill Tesla non-stop to get investor money
>loan it out, including to his own failing solar shit, to make interest
>get low interest loans from US gov for green energy
>loan it out at higher interest to make profit
>People think he makes $ from selling cars.

>>128447134
Its not about self driving cars. It's about self driving trucks. When you can have one driver (assuming you need someone to watch for problems on the road, keep the shit from being robbed,park them for loading/unloading assuming the technology isn't there yet for them to park themselves) for a convoy of 5 trucks you can fire 4 people.

>>128447528

I don't want to be the one that dies, no matter what. It's also not a fully automated car. People just patient wait for it to fuck up and catch the wheel.

>>128447529
You have no clue how many times your PC makes a mistake and gets over it. How reliable is WIndows? Dust, heat, humidity.. computers fuck up a lot. I would not trust my life with a computer.

>>128447412
Modern cars are now being shipped with lane keeping assist for very little extra fees. Most already have it.

>>128447665
Yeah, self driving trucks running people off the roads. Sounds great.
No thanks. Fuck this technocracy nonsense.

>>128445665

Who cares about statistics when your car is controlled by somebody who can at any time decide that you had an (((accident))) that day?

He is very successful at spending other peoples money (taxes). I am not impressed

>>128443370
>>128436027
Ugandan home solar

That's what the Paris Accord promises... Green energy for the developing world.

>>128447750
Yeah, modern cars come with all shorts of shit I don't like. That's why I still drive a standard, with no assist technology. Throwing a computer in a car, where the temperature goes from +40 to -40 C in a year is retarded.

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>>128446746
>Instead of them hoarding their shekels they invest in new technologies

This. There are plenty of contractors and corporations who are constantly vying for a turn at the government trough. And that's all they do, just oink year after year.

Musk took government money certainly, but he also put his own entire Paypal fortune on the line. And as a result we now have a revolution in the space launch industry that has been stagnant for far too long.

"Elon Musk will be bald by 2040" scientists say.

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>>128447732
>You have no clue how many times your PC makes a mistake and gets over it

I'm a fucking software engineer so I know exactly how reliable a goddamn computer is.

>>128441042
>the US taxpayer should pay 4.9 billion dollars to Musks companies for expensive cars they won't buy and research NASA could do

>>128448077
At this rate his entire face will be covered with hair by 2040

>>128439979
>he and his companies run on government subsidies and hype
This.

>>128447565
>green energy
>Tesla manufacturing process uses expensive energy and material from non-renewable and fossil fuel sources
>eg. plastics from petroleum sources, lithium and metals mined from non-green methods methods
>Tesla cars built by employees driving non-green vehicles
>Tesla cars are delivered via fossil fuel powered trucks and ships
>Elon flies everywhere via fossil fuel burning private jets to shill his shitty cars
>Tesla needs charging from an electrical grid generated from mostly non-green sources, including coal and gas
Wow. I bought a Tesla. Elon and the media told me it's green, so I can virtue signal. Look how cool my dashboard is. It's like a giant ipad.

>>128436027
his companies are doing some extremely important work towards our future i don't care what anybody says to the contrary there

those things need to be developed, and if they are not getting developed and utilized through government funding, then obviously the private market needs to pick up to pace

>>128448233
SpaceX saves tax dollars by doing the job that has to be done at the lowest price point.

Tesla is not getting any government money that the other auto makers are not.

>>128448095
And you run your datacenter at variable temperatures between -40 and +40 yearly, with spikes in humidity, because that makes PC's more stable?
And you never update or replace them frequently, because old hardware tends to fail overtime, or software bugs and exploits are missed during deployment?
wtf is wrong with my statement?

>>128448095
What is your specific disagreement with the other guy's statement?

>>128447528
>Facts say otherwise. The Model S has about 250 million miles of autopilot driving and so far only one death. Statistically there is one fatal accident for every 100 million miles driven. Not the mention the lives autopilot has saved. As the technology progresses people will get more comfortable with it.
death was due to operator error anyways

>>128448467
on top of mount stupid

>>128448277
this is such a shortsighted point of view. Despite Teslas having a smaller Carbon Footprint than and other cars DURING the production process, it gets cancelled out through low maintenance and fuel production. Batteries are also highly recyclable.

>>128441551
Says the third worlder.

But listen, the cool shit? It's not going to happen if we all FUCKING DIE because we ruined the planet.

>>128448429
I guarantee you tesla recieves more federal subsidies than any other manufacturers

>>128436142
>leaf

>>128448596
But they are charged from the power grid, which comes from fossil fuels and/or nuclear.
They are also crazy expensive, which means plebs can't afford them without subsidies.

>>128448575
So you're telling me you wouldnt ride in a self driving car where it will be 100 times more likely for you to survive? Logic...

>>128436027
Business model is:
>Take technology already in existence but too expensive to build
>Get government grants to build it anyway
>Be first on the market with emerging tech
>Get outdone by competitors that find cheaper free-market options to produce better quality products

I'm not saying he isn't smart as fuck. I have no idea how smart he is. That's just how he operates his businesses.

>>128448596
>this is such a shortsighted point of view. Despite Teslas having a smaller Carbon Footprint than and other cars DURING the production process, it gets cancelled out through low maintenance and fuel production. Batteries are also highly recyclable.
also is a gateway, people say "oh well burning coal for power, power transmission losses, blah blah blah"
they are laying the groundwork. use nuclear or solar and oh look, the energy just keeps coming
improve battery technology and it gets better and better
right, low maintenance, no more oil for engine, didnt burn a ton of diesel transporting gasoline for the car to get it to the station
not to mention the cost per mile of the electricity, low operating costs, once the initial purchase price is out of the way

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Lots of confirmation by Kek, Musk is nothing without subsidies paid for by tax dollars.

>>128446606
Filthy pervert, but amusing oc. I chortled!

>>128447805
If it is at a lower rate than human error it would be worth it. Also, we have commuter lanes. Just replace these with self driving car lanes.

>>128448699
Everyone who sells EV's get a govt subsidy, Tesla is getting the most because no one is buying non Tesla EV's. The other auto makers can collect that money anytime they want, they just need to SELL an EV.

>>128448723
Even if the electricity used get produced by the filthiest coal plant on the planet, it's still more environmentally friendly than a combustion engine. A coal plant can, next to the kinetic energy, also turn the heat from the reaction into energy. You can get an output of around 60% while a combustion engine car only get around 12%, due to all the heat loss.

>>128448754
>So you're telling me you wouldnt ride in a self driving car where it will be 100 times more likely for you to survive? Logic...
no i was agreeing with you in a sense, and pointing out that the single death was due to operator error
autopilot does not mean you have no responsibility to pay attention to your surroundings. airplane pilots are not told to fly solo and just go to sleep and see what happens
if you're piloting a container ship on auto pilot, that doesn't mean it's time to play with your ipad instead of watching the seas

if i could AFFORD a model s i would do so in a heartbeat. it is prohibitively expensive for me at the moment, and there are things I need more, but the trickle down of the technology will be huge, and has already spurned MBZ and Ford to come out with some groundbreaking developments themselves

>>128448754

No, because the 1/1,000,000 chance I die will be from computer mistake and not by my own mistake. I don't want to randomly die.

You also have no clue how shitty the roads in Canada are in the winter. An automated car cannot drive here in the winter, period. There are no lanes, or roads. You need to go by memory and logic.

>>128441628
I mean, radical islam wants to progress human society too, just their idea of progression doesn't match western values. but hey, as long as we use the buzzword 'progress', you're up in arms on the Arabian cock carousel.

>>128436027

Lithium batteries are incredibly bad for the environment, both to produce and dispose

Powering cars with big chunks of lithium + electricity for 3 years is retarded and no more environmentally friendly than combustion vehicles.

>>128449115
>because the 1/1,000,000 chance I die will be from computer mistake and not by my own mistake.

you WILL get killed by someone deliberately messing with the self driving hardware in your car, though.

>>128449115
The abstract gap between sentience and clever programming. I'd love to go for a drive in Canada on some shitty roads, wind down the window and feel the breeze in my mullet. Very nice driving country.

>>128438056
>AWB
I doubt they have many engineers in their ranks, but I could be wrong.

>>128449007

No it wouldn't.

>>128449099
And the infrastructure costs to push the energy?
Why don't we just develop more energy efficient engine technology, without mining rare metals from the Congo?
There's also energy costs associated with mining and recycling.
There's no way it's more energy efficient. It's probably about the same at the end of the day.

>>128448596
>>128448832
Battery tech is the major barrier for many industries, and is the main one for electric cars. Don't tell me a shitty electric car is the necessary for the advancement of the tech though. Other people are looking for it too.

Once the battery problem is solved, Tesla will die because other established brands will have them too. I'd rather drive an electric Merc or BMW, who have been building cars for decades, than Tesla.

>>128449115
>You need to go by memory and logic

The two things computers are terrible at!

>>128449115
>You need to go by memory and logic.
good, tesla uses machine learning and fleet learning. They also do monocular SLAM (simultanious localisation and mapping), which means they 3D map the roads and arrange them in a database.

Earth has weather cycles. The sun has periods of varying energy output. Green tech interests stand to make billions from making hysteria out of this. Companies like his are tax payer subsidized to the tune of billions of dollars.

Global warming and climate change are a hoax.

Teslais unbelievably unprofitable and that wont change soon. I looked at their balance sheet and its negative for years, also very low equity. Tesla is overhyped and will collapse sooner or later. Even when they sell that new car for 35k in vast numbers it will still not be enough to turn a lasting profit. Musks other ventures like spacex are unprofitable as hell as well. The guy got lucky hitting jackpot with paypal back then but wasted billions on 4-5 mega projects parallel and none of it works. He has nice ideas that get good media coverage but if you look close in the core they are flawed and can only stay alive if the government subsidizes them heavily. I studied economics and had have a masters so i have some insights into companies that win and those that loose.

TL;DR: HYPED - Stay away, will burn your money!

>>128449053
You don't rack up billions in subsidies just by selling cars

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1

>>128440179
We'll make our own biosphere, nigga.
And magnetic fields aren't hard to create either.

>>128449367

Winter driving is fun, that's why I use a standard. No one drives their Tesla in the winter. The bottom with rust off from the road salt.
People don't understand what driving in Canada is. Maybe the Russians get it.
You can't just buy a $100k car and drive it every day, you have to put those in the garage, at least till June when all the pots holes the plows dug out of the road are filled in.

>>128449443
The battery problem is solved, the problem is cost, since there is no competition and noone produces battries. You could easily build a 1000+ miles cra, the thing would currently run you about 200k though... hence the gigafactory

>>128446767
Software csn and is being updated constantly. Sensors are being siagnoses if they work correctly by rhe car itself

>>128449443
>Battery tech is the major barrier for many industries, and is the main one for electric cars. Don't tell me a shitty electric car is the necessary for the advancement of the tech though. Other people are looking for it too.
producing it is extremely important to the advancement. there have been electric vehicles longer than useful combustion ones, boats too, all that's holding it back is the battery tech
tesla has dumped a shitload of money into making cleaner, cheaper, more dense energy source batteries. with the current feasible tech think 5-6x was li-on can do, in the next few years, that will only get cheaper with time
NASA says we will have all electric 777 sized passenger jets in regular service in less than 20 years
there has already been an electric plane, 100% electric entirely solar powered, that circumnavigated the globe

>>128441425
/sci/ hates everything.

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>>128449507
Tesla has 30% margins on the cars. They are in the red because they spend every cent they get on new construction.

Amazon was unprofitable for the same reason for 10+ years. Then they stopped building distribution centers and activated the prime.

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Memory, you need to know where the roads are.
Logic. You need to break the rules. You may not be able to stop, you cannot see ice, you have to assume the road conditions. You cannot see lines on the road, you might need to swerve.
A computer couldn't make up a new route everytime. There are too many variables, and I wouldn't trust the car. I'm not even sure if Automated cars can see potholes reliably.

>>128436027
He's a fucking race traitor.

When young men were fighting communists in the army of a still free South Africa Elon fled to Canada on his mommy's passport like a little faggot.

Of course, no widow, orphan or grieving mother of a Boer patriot ever saw a rand in Paypal money.

Deport that fuck to Mandelastan and let him see how he likes being a poor white man in Africa.

>>128449507
If you're so smart, how come you're not a billionaire like Elon?

>>128449689

Yeah, that costs $$
Are we going to pay monthly subscriptions to our car?
If you don't have at least version 4.0, you are not allowed to drive your car?

>>128449675
>battery problem is solved
>can't jump into an electric car and drive across the USA without stopping to charge it every 3 hours at rare special charging stations
Wow. You're retarded. Meanwhile
>get into gas car
>pull into many available gas stations to fill up
>keep driving

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How can a failing car company build factory this big.
It's even bigger than volkswagen that has 100 year record of selling cars.
Will the police state force tesla cars on people?

>>128449675
The battery problem is not solved.

They are expensive, heavy and dangerous. They give it shit range as well

>>128449463
eventually the cars are going to start directly connecting to each other, and once that happens the attack surface will increase dramatically.

if you're a self driving car and you want to connect to other cars for traffic guidance, how much trust should you have in other cars?

should you use location information ripped directly from other cars in your driving? as in, should you trust other cars to tell you what objects are in your blindspots? if you do, someone will force their car to give you false information and put you in a wreck.

should you only trust direct visual data from the cameras of other cars, to avoid simplistic attacks? well great, someone is going to create an adversary neural network and attach it to the output of the cameras. seemingly random noise goes in, "oh wow there's 1,000 cars in this intersection, i better stop in the middle of the road and get hit" comes out. this has already been proven as an attack option, all that you need is information on the operation of a neural network and a copy of it to tinker with. self driving cars have both.

should you trust your own sensors first, but use other cars for route planning and so on? someone will attack this, telling you that the site of a terrorist attack 2 streets away is totally where you should go to get some tendies.

should you trust city infrastructure, which in theory is very reliable and trustworthy? well, someone is going to break into that, and good luck when that happens.

this self driving stuff is a bad idea.

>>128450024
>How can a failing car company build factory this big.
A loan from the Government with little to no interest.

>Be luddite christfag
>Talk shit about Elon
Why am I not surprised?

>>128449752
t. Tesla shill
Tesla is not the leader in battery tech. Other people put a lot of R&D into it.
>ignoring the part about competing with other big car makers once battery is solved

>>128436027
Pure conman. He's a typical Jew basically that tells people what they want to hear and makes promises that it's impossible to keep. Whether he knows he can't fulfill these promises, or he's deluding himself too, remains to be seen. Jews aren't blessed with good foresight.
He's the only billionaire I know of who would be broke if it wasn't for the government literally throwing money at him.

>>128449903
Then just take the wheel when you feel it's necessary. 99.9% percent of the time that wont't be the case. We're just at level 2 automation, so you need to pay attention either way. Once the databases are big enough and we hit level 3 even your memory wont be able to compete.

>>128446995
I'm still here, guess that totally ruins your argument.

You're probably looking for /x/.

>>128450183
Cars are a way of granting freedom to individuals

Automated cars are just transport pods to get people to their 9 - 5 every day.

I don't see automated, electric cars ever taking off. People are not going to spend money just to go to work and back. Just move closer to the office if you are that paranoid about car accidents.

>>128450369
How much does tesla pay you to shill?

>>128450369

Exactly, unless the computer fucks up and locks the wheel and you just happen to be that 1% of people that die randomly.

I may as well have a car that I drive myself, with computer assistance to stop me from dying. Instead of a car that drives itself, and I'm responsible for stopping it from killing me.

>>128436142
Thank you for the few minutes of my life I will never get back

>>128450189
Actually its funded by Panasonic. The loan Tesla got from the government was paid back so fast they had to pay a penalty to make up for the money the government didn't make on interest.

I know facts are not your strong suit, but try and make an effort to use them.

>>128442000
This so much. Also can anyone who isn't a dumbfuck sheep tell me HOW we will move to Mars? There is no atmosphere, there is no magnetic field to keep you from dangerous radiation, and there is no way to grow plants in its shit tier soil. How the FUCK are we going to live there and what the fuck does it do to 'progress' humanity? A swear all you fucking idiots have been brainwashed by the space meme.

>>128450183
You watch too much sci fi. Also there won't be vehicle to vehicle communication through signals for a while. The best VtV communication is through head/backlights and sensors catching it.

You don't want an intelligent fleet or environment, you want the intelligence in your car, so once the outside does stupid things your car wont do stupid things also.

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>>128449674
That's another portion of the 'electric car for x reasons, checkmate' angle that always accompanies this subject - the real life conditions of roads and car durability.

I don't think Toyota made the hilux (I think it's Tacoma there) by accident, so much time and energy has been spent over years of trial and error to create that.

Correct transmission/diff to make the car user friendly, the whole thing stinks of non car people talking about cars. Personally, I think the diesel electric/on board generator powering 4 electric motors is a better idea. It's how heavy machinery like the m1a1 tank is configured.

Gas turbine engine creating ac power to power the ac motors that drives the tracks. That way the tank will handle beautifully in all conditions, no clutch, no transmission, no power curve. Just consistent and predictable power going down in selectable power maps.

Also, jet engines can run on peanut oil/anything oil that's viscous enough, aka biodiesel. The mileage would be unbelievable too, and no dangerous lithium exploding batteries on board.

This rustles my jimmies, my shit old Ute (pick up truck) would be much better configured like that.. my clutch sucks.

>Hashtag bong thoughts

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>>128450253

Oh look babby learned what luddite meant.

>>128450729
Self-sufficient biospheres. It will take a while to build them, but they will happen.

>>128447805
Truckers already drive like fucking retards. That usually happens when someone driving a huge vehicle, hopped up on meth, hasn't slept in 30 hours.

>>128449977
I know my shit and can guarantee you Tesla will never be profitable:
- Technological barriers (combined sum is too huge, even if they fix the big one like range and battery)
- Too small market share
- Too small margin on every car

It's hyped and has no shot at seriously competing with the established brands / gasoline engines

>>128449991
Now youre just being silly. Its free updates with the car like any other product out there.

>>128450972

>unironically believing that cargo will ever be able to safely deliver a large quantity of society's goods automatically

Your money is taken to fund Global Climate fund. Elon gets the money in subsidies. China poisons the planet, and Elon gets rich. What is hard to understand ?

>>128450608
The problem is that you're taking a level 2 system as a level 4 system, which you shouldn't. It's not fully autonomous yet. Once it is, and the databases of human driving footage, disengagement events, accidents and SLAM is big enough, it will be virtually impossible for you to die via a miscalculation from the car. And this tech is not decades away, we'll have fully autonomous tech by the end of next year.

>>128450369
Let's break this down...

Energy costs
- Electric cars + batteries still consume a lot of energy. They also get poor millage compared to an electric car. Cut that value in half in Canada, you either need to use energy to keep the battery warm, or lose half the power (or all the power) in the winter.

Actual Costs
- People can't afford to replace their car. Depending on the frequency of software updates, they may not be able to afford to maintain the car + update the software. Replacing a battery or a computer isn't cheap.
- Subsidizing with Government money will be ineffective, governments are in debt

Reliable
- Computers make mistakes a lot. They break down a lot.
- They are not secure, they are way to easy to hack and hijack
- Things change, and they need to be frequently updated. Updates break things, new features don't work correctly, everyone ends up a beta tester. Much like iPhone (or even Windows) updates, they're great when there are 2 or 3 phones on the market, but once there are dozens of different types of phones, you get all sorts of different bugs.

>>128450670

That's great, but they still got a loan.

>>128450748
>You watch too much sci fi.
no, i don't. do you want a copy of the adversary neural network paper?

>Also there won't be vehicle to vehicle communication through signals for a while.
there will be eventually. just give musk a few years.

>You don't want an intelligent fleet or environment, you want the intelligence in your car
where is the line drawn? it's not like the CEO of a typical car company is going to care about security. this is relatively obscure stuff at the moment, since most cars (for good reason) don't have complex computers inside them.

besides, the intelligent car shit will be discarded after 20 teslas drive themselves at full power into wrecks while on autopilot. after that, we'll immediately have "intelligent incident diagnostics" which will turn into "intelligent mesh incident diagnostics" which will turn into "intelligent traffic guidance" which will turn into "intelligent fleet". it's only a matter of time.

>>128451086
Sure thing, mr. Billionaire.

>>128450119
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_battery

>>128451235
it's so painful to argue with you because you don't provide your points with any reason or depth.

How people worships him baffles me. Electric cars are great but not 'clean' as it is claimed. Fossil fueled generators to charge, mineral for battery mining, etc.

>>128451227
>fully autonomous yet.
And it never will be, that's my point. Tesla's shitty gimmick automation that kills people won't catch on.
It's like Google Glass. It's trendy for a handful of rich geeks, but it will never reach the masses.

>>128448277
>It takes existing industrial processes to build new infrastructure
Well we definitely can't leave the fossil Jew now

>>128451522
Yes lets put an RTG in a car

>>128451573
This is 4chan, not a science fair. I'm not going to take the time to research and quote my sources. You can pretty much just google shit at this point in your life.

>>128451701
Why not? It can run 10-20 years without having to be recharged.

>>128451985
I don't know if we want daily cherynobls

>>128449656
You are an idiot you cannot create a magnetic field large enough to protect from solar winds without a humongous energy source kys underage fuck back to highschool

>>128451235
Can you not sound like an out of touch fuck from rural canada, I'd very much like this leaf meme to die, but reading this thread makes me understand its existence.
Your comprehension of computers and algorithms is very limited.

>>128440179
>http://mileswmathis.com/musk.pdf
That's right, terraforming Mars is an impossibility.

Being on the surface of Mars is not too different from being in deep space.

>>128452175
You don't need a planetary magnetic shield, just where the bases are.

>>128439161
>Elon Musk, a single man, somehow managed to find solutions for: 1. Solar energy 2. Electric cars 3. Autonomous driving 4. Space travel 5. Hyperloop 6. Boring company 7. Neural-computer link

he's more like Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, he's good at finding other peoples ideas and taking credit

>>128452060
It's not a nuclear reactor, so you're not going to get Fukushima.

>>128452180
Uh
Where are you, Toronto?
They have clean roads in a snow storm? My ass they do, it goes down to single lane with 10 meters of visibility. .

>>128451235
There are computers that are made to work 99.99% of the time.
Bugs are usually because you have shitty developers not a shitty programming language for example.
Hacking and hijacking is the same thing, shitty code.

Rest is valid enough to me.
But the thing about costs of technology are, i feel, irrelevant. Buying your own computer, back when the computer was a whole room was expensive, sure. Now you can get a computer 10 times as powerful for almost no money, and computers that are a 100 times more powerful, for some money, however the costs are not comparable to those of the past.

The further the technology advances the less, the past technology costs.

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>>128436027
It's a scam using taxpayer money.

He knows the truth about space but he still keep the hoax going

>>128436027
Its like i can put up with his liberal bullshit so long as he advances humanity as hes trying to do...at least hes trying. Also fantastic job coming here with the liberal meme "republicans band and stupid" no one fucking wants a filthy planet, renewables and clean power are fine it just the left has been forcing it before its viable as an alternative. We shouldn't abandon fossil fuels just because some libtards think solar power in a desert enviroment with year long sunlight should be forced on midwestern people who live in a cloudy enviroment that isnt a fishbowl geographically that traps all the smog like in california.

Its like great, california can go to all renewables, they have hills to make use of wind power and tons of sun for solar...washington and oregon have tons of rivers through mountain gorges perfect for damming and hydro electric...great do it...no one wants to stop you...just stop telling the rest of the country they should do the same when its totally not viable and ends up hurting an already struggling region.

Also ditch your MSM programming before posting here it makes you look like a shareblue shill. Just because TV told you people on the right are mouthbreathers who want a filthy planet doesnt make it anywhere close to reality...were not trying to stop clean and renewable power...if you can make a damn solar panel work under 3 feet of snow and cloudy weather better than burning shit id rather use it than burning shit...but thats not the case is it?

>>128449937
He's a billionaire with five white boys. I'm glad he didn't die in Africa.

>>128452499

That's a 1 in 1000 risk of being killed, that's also a optimal operating temperatures, assuming there are no physical problems with the hardware (like cracking from extreme temperature changes).

Complex applications have complex bugs, I don't think any vidya game in the last 5 years has been close to bug free on release. Most of them are just dumped and beta tested on the consumer and patched after. That isn't acceptable with life or death decisions. More testing = higher costs.

>>128438056
Stop it, anon, I can only get so hard.

Though you should add a final step where the Aryan Martian nation drops an asteroid on the festering remains of Earth civilization and then recolonizes the vacant planet 100 years later

>>128452499

You can easily buy a powerful, fast computer

But I assure you that the costs of a reliable server are significantly more expensive, for much less performance. That's why Nvidia's workstation graphics cards are double the cost or more of their Geforce line.

Technology has certainly advanced in speed, but not in reliability.

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>>128451522
>putting small radioactive fuel sources in millions of cars with vehicular accidents; autonomously driven or not; is a good idea...

>>128452940
Wow, cracking from extreme temperature changes, someone should alert the silicon vendors to this novel idea. They should probably start putting their chips into some kind of rigorous testing environment and mark them with temperature ratings that include a margin of safety so that we can be sure they don't fail!

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>>128436027
The dude is full of shit.

From what I've seen among other engineers is that low quality engineers idolizing him because all they get their engineering news from is through memes and shitty facebook pages. Meanwhile those who can actually think and do research find most of his ideas pathetic.

Space X is just a engineer mill as he overworks them and under pays them to the point that people quit and have a very bad experience in their field. He getting sued for this and he probably going to use more US tax dollars to defend him. Thanks to him, other companies that need engineers do stuff similar and fucks up potential work.

His Hyperloop idea is probably his biggest bait idea ever that he dumped immediately when he realized he can't do it himself. Then there is the fact that people don't understand what a vacuum is and engineering that needs to be put into it to ensure it doesn't implode. If you look at other large vacuum chambers, they are heavily reinforce to prevent such disasters and making them huge makes the issue extremely costly in both construction, operation, and maintenance. Lets not forget it a better target for terrorist as air going into a vacuum is traveling at the speed of sound.

His Boring Company is just another fucking autistic idea he came up with because he couldn't get his dumb hyperloop to work and now wants to make a tunnels everywhere and have pads for cars to ride on. This idea doesn't solve anything except complex the issue and is one of his most short sighted ideas he has came up with. It would be better to improve public transport or have public self driving cars.

Tesla is Apple tier garbage that has shitty build quality that he can't manage to fix because his shit is so expensive that if he were to correct them it would push his cars of of the major market. Also electric vehicles do more harm to the planet then good.
>All these redditors sucking the Musk
This same faggot wants Universal Basic Income because muh automation

>>128453415
That's an amazing idea

Then lets put chips that are good from -40 c to +40 C in all cars at an amazing cost increase. No, actually forget it. That's really expensive and wasteful.

Let's just charge people in cold countries a premium for a computer that has to meet higher degrees of testing that another country, because charging people stupid amounts of money for automated cars we can only use 3 months of the year is a great investment for the consumer.

>>128453073
I remember the days when a wrong placed line in code would crash the whole computer, nowadays, theres built in exception handling and stack trace and your computer can stay on for days on end. But nah, reliability never improved.
From your friendly software engineer.

>>128446995
Nigger I like to call out slide threads, this is clearly not one.

>>128436027
some faggot that /r/eddit beats their dick to

>>128453768
Extended temperature range chips are significantly more expensive but all the car manufacturers use them anyway so I'm really not sure what your point is

>>128452940
I agree with the notion that not everything thats put out works immediately and needs testing, however id argue that making a program thats a video game, is infinite times more complex than making a program that stops the car when necessary for example. Driving in general, id argue is a simpler concept than a 3d video game.
And literally everything you have on this planet has to worry about weather effects, yet those things are present, optimising your device to work in a certain environment is not the issue of the device as much as it is yours, as a maker.
We have watches that work under water for christ sake and a couple of hundred of years ago we didnt have a watch that you could even carry.
>>128453073
Yes having a reliable server is more expensive however on the topic of preformance a car and a server are 2 worlds. A server has to preform more than million calculations a second and a car simply has to have a working mechanism.
Also this anon is correct
>>128453784
Your computer fixes its own problems ALOT more than you fix your own.
Even when making a program a compiler will simply list every single issue within your code ( thats not purely illogical to a human ). And every program that is made has more event handlers and handles more issues than you read words a day.

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>>128436027
>Is he full of shit or not?
He's Steve Jobs 2.0 so it doesn't matter whether he's making progress or not. People follow the name.

>>128438056
>AWB
GOD bless them all.

>>128453784
>>128454531
Honestly if you guys had ever worked on realtime embedded systems you'd be a lot less cavalier about software reliability. It's a real and reasonable concern.

>>128454881
I realise that its not perfection but it is at least a million times better than it was before.

>>128455160
Depends on which system you're talking about. There have been advances in formal methods but software complexity keeps going up, and reliable software is still very expensive per LOC. Read this to get a sense of the scope of the problem:

http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/BarrSlides_FINAL_SCRUBBED.pdf

>>128452499
>Bugs are usually because you have shitty developers not a shitty programming language for example.
C++ was made by aliens from space that fucking hate us. man was not made to manage memory in advance.

>>128453073
>That's why Nvidia's workstation graphics cards are double the cost or more of their Geforce line.
the quadro cards just have special firmware to enable double precision as far as i know, they're the same as the geforce cards.

>>128454881
i'm not too familiar with embedded systems, i'm more of an infosec guy. what is your particular branch of technological hell like?

This is actually a good ass thread what the fuck

>>128455936
Right, NV Tesla is expensive primarily because of a thing called market segmentation. That and reduced economies of scale. For a taste of hell, see above.

>>128455814
Complexity going up, but is a self driving car close to the complexity of what computers are used for today?
Id like to read that article but its particularly aids on my computer for some reason.

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>>128436142
CNN is owned by Turner Broadcasting System, which is owned by Time Warner, which is owned by Historic TW Inc., which is a private company of Edward B. Ruggiero, which is a ghost with no pictures.
Google Edward B. Ruggiero.

>>128443131
most of that has come out of the super soldier programs going back to the WW2 era. that stuff was very, very primitive, external hormone therapy and steroids like meathead juicers do now, but some of the shit I've heard of from people working the field, my family has a nasty genetic disorder so i do a lot of research on it, say the CRISPR stuff is going to either turn into some anime tier horror, or turn everyone into gods.

>>128456688
Well I just Googled his image, where's the problem?

>>128457039
Problem is you are CIA.

>>128456215
>NV Tesla is expensive primarily because of a thing called market segmentation. That and reduced economies of scale.
and simple jewishness. nvidia will refuse to help you if you buy normal gaming gpus and change the firmware on them.

>For a taste of hell, see above.
>no protection against bit flips
>maxing out the stack
>a bit flip will kill the accelerator program and stick the throttle
>well paid engineers in the current year - 10 can't figure out how pointers work
>the documentation writers either didn't exist or had downs syndrome
>over 11,000 global variables
>no protected memory
>30% of internal rules violated
>NO BUG TRACKING
>the fail safes to protect against the acceleration task failing are contained inside the acceleration task
>watchdog is fucked mate
>TOYOTA DOES NOT HAVE A COPY OF THE SOURCE CODE FOR THE CHIP THAT THEY USE TO MONITOR THEIR MAIN CPU

C/C++ needs to be fucking deprecated, and anyone who still wants to use it needs to be deprecated from life

>>128456506
Self-driving is at the limit of present day complexity. It's real-time computer vision + artificial intelligence. I'm skeptical that the systems being demoed right now are general enough to handle unconstrained/unmapped environments. Fuck LIDAR btw.

A practical self-driving system will be a network of multiple computers and you wouldn't have the vision computer responsible for the lower level control loops but even those can't go down for more than a few hundred milliseconds before you have a serious problem. Proper system architecture with redundant fallbacks will be a requirement.

The slides I linked are image heavy but you can just read the text of Barr's testimony: http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/Bookout_v_Toyota_Barr_REDACTED.pdf

>>128457635
Yeah Toyota's process is unbelievably fucked but good luck avoiding C for the time being. Ada is dying.

>>128436027
It's not what he's doing. It's that other industries have to pay for his company via carbon credits.

>>128457978
i've seen worse. way worse.

>user/pass/address to prod code pasted 3 meters away from the entrance to the dev department
>40 different people given access to prod database in department of 150
>routers not updated because "what's the point, nobody is going to do anything to them"
>IT only allowed to update every fortnight
>IT disallowed from buying proper security software to understand the boundaries of the network
>telnet to the CTO's office computer

>good luck avoiding C for the time being.
well, can we institute a C license?

>>128446045
> Implying athletic performance is somehow directly tied to melanin production.

He believes in what he's doing. Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vte82TpK4Ls

Musk gets lots of subsidies yes but he made his fortune off Zip2 and Paypal. Dude dreams big and at least is trying to make the imperium of man possible.

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>>128436027
Elon musk is snake oil salesmen and nothing else

His ideas do not appeal to people in science, technology, engineering, mathematics or even business

They appeal to NEETs, plebbitors, fedoras, neckbeards, self-absorbed recipients of meme degrees and other losers of the world, particularly those fond of jerking themselves off to Star Trek-esque pipe dreams

The defense of their false saint from criticism is almost universally without exception some hollow, non-argument spiel about "progress" or "moving forward as a species" or some false equivalency stipulating that if computers (or what the fuck ever) have improved this much in the past umpteen years, then Musk's asinine contraptions are sure to make the same leap

What I find most aggravating about it as a STEM major myself is how Novelty-happy fanboys simply dismiss any legitimate criticisms and inquires the current state of his systems, insisting that "technology always improves". Scientific progress is not some magic fairy that waves it's magic wand and suddenly improves everything. While our current systems, be they existing, emerging or proposed do have a substantial amount of room to improve, to simply wave it off as guaranteed to improve trivializes to the tremendous amount of time, research, refinement, money, manpower, brainpower and, above all else, trial and error. Fuck any of you neckbeard losers who trivialize the lifetime bodies of work yielded by actual brilliant minds

>also

Contrary to popular belief, technology does not continuously improve ad infinitum, plenty of human engineered systems have plateaued out some years ago (READ; Mature Technology)

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>>128450668
Too much redpill for you?
Elon Musk is a fraud, the spaceX rocket launches are all CGI. Open your eyes and stop dreaming about colonizing Mars, it will never happen.
Btw, he said he will send 3 people to orbit the Moon in 2018, go figure

>>128462052
That's a lot of words to say "redditor". Yes, we all hate them. However:
>asinine contraptions
They didn't shut up when they landed a Falcon booster. They didn't shut up when they re-flew a used stage. SpaceX detractors, when will they learn? Oh...
>STEM major
undergrad. opinion discarded

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>>128463025
>They didn't shut up when they did something that people have been doing FOR FUCKING YEARS. They didn't shut up when they did something people from the same time period were fully technologically capable of doing but didn't due to internal bureaucracy and compliances
>undergrad. opinion discarded
And you are?

>>128463949
Sounds like excuses for failure. Next you'll be telling me how the big aerospace contractors were being oppressed by institutional prejudice.
>And you are?
Old.

>>128450939
You are naively forgetting about conversation of mass. Do you have any idea the sheer amount of mass required for an atmosphere? I'm guessing not at all but hey keep throwing out those buzzwords faggot.

>>128462052
Hey fellow STEM here and I couldn't agree more. It's insanely aggravating seeing my fellow MEs idolizing SpaceX. They literally believe technology will bring us insane amounts of energy and the ability to become alchemists (create an atmosphere out of nothing) and this is on the order of the type of fairy tale shit that you'd see in the Bible, and yet they are atheist. Really makes you think.

Doesn't he have literal autism?

So he's one of us right?

>>128463025
Hey name me one PHD that can describe how we can poof insane amounts of material and energy out of thin air. By all means continue to appeal to authority faggot.

when atlantis wasnt frozen there was no coal factories so explain global warning

all these "green" companies are scam for goverment gibs , all the ceos drive pollutant cars and private planes, trump knows this hes trying to shut em down

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>>128436027
GTKRWN

>>128465312
Why are you talking to me?

>>128465425
Because you're a faggot. Why are you talking to me?

>>128465631
I am a massive faggot but that's not an adequate explanation. Your post was a complete non-sequitur.

>>128465837
I was responding to your "opinion discarded" comment. I despise such hubris in a debate that should only be discussed in technical terms with math to back it up. I'm guessing that's a bit to hard for your little pea brain though ;)

>>128453530
bramping this post because its solid ..
especially this one :
> low quality engineers idolizing him

Tesla makes arguably the best Electric cars

Musk made a billionaire investment on the gigafactory that makes batteries for their cars in the USA

and all/most of the car parts of their cars are made in the USA,

that's why he has been pro-Trump, as trump want to gives incentives to domestic production and taxes to vehicles made on other countries, thus giving Tesla cars an edge over current cars

However, he was not happy with Trump wanting to leave the Paris treaty

why? not because greenhouse emissions or environment

but because one of Paris treaty goals is to replace combustion cars by electric cars rapidly, even if it means having heavy government subsidies

and of course, given Tesla is leading luxury electric cars, and likely middle and high end in the next years, they are more than happy with the treaty

>lol elon musk is fucking retarded ok all his visions are utopian fantasies from a kid who read too many novels

>lol i want to remove all the niggers spics and kebabs and build a white ethnostate with no crime ruled by capitalism so everyone has equal opportunity 1488 heil hitler xD

/pol/ needs to kys

>>128466453
I never commented on your little Mars terraforming thing. It sounds like you desperately want to debate some dumb kid in your engineering college but you're too beta to argue IRL. Sorry, I can't be that kid for you.

>>128436027
there is nothing wrong with him he is just good meme material he pushed other car manufactors to at least consider electrical and makes solar more widesread he pushes competition to do better. also mars that will be interestinglol

>>128466453
Although, by the way, solids can be transformed into gases by known chemical (not alchemical) processes. So you may want to take a different tack.

>>128466789
I did debate someone IRL. Thats besides the point. What I have a beef with is your idea that an "undergrad" can't give a valid point. It's just fantastic that people like you exist. Makes me happy.

>>128467048
Check out the makeup of the soil on mars. The gas you need the most is oxygen and that is only in the form of rust on the surface. There is less than 10% of what you need. Dont forget the amount of energy required to disassociate these compounds. Try again but with a little more thought next time.

>>128467314
>getting this assmad over bantz

>>128466644
wow nice recap you utter mong

>>128467814
That's a better argument. I'm still not really interested enough to research it but it isn't as obviously flawed as your last.

>>128468116
Fair enough.

>>128436027
I'm not religious or anything. but if there were a messiahs, then it would be elon musk. He became a millionaire by founding paypal. He's now CEO of Tesla, SolarRoof, SpaceX and openAI. he literally makes the world a better place.

>>128447134
You're not understanding how it works though. The situation in which you die in an automated one, if you were driving yourself, you would also die in. It's not a different type of crash or "choosing when to die". You would be less likely to die, and most likely wouldn't in your lifetime, surviving instances where, if driving yourself, you would die.