Which was the best Roman emperor, /pol/?

>>128431461
Augustus for sure

Commodus

>>128431461

Your mom

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>>128431461

>>128431461
alexander the great

>>128431461

Constantine the Great. Single-handedly dismantled Diocletian's "Tetrarchy" by defeating each co-Emperor one-by-one. Instituted Christianity as the official Roman Religion. Supported Trump.

>>128431644
this Augustus was goat

>>128431644
Except that he de-Italianised the army.

Turning it into a professional force of provincials with very long periods of service (20 years I think) and ending the basic 6 years of conscripted service for descendants of old Roman citizens really destroyed the social and moral fabric of Roman/Italian society.

He meant well on a lot of issues but he fucked up majorly.

>>128431940
I'm an Antoninus guy, but don't you just love it when the emperors aim their efforts within their own country? Sure, one might say that they're just riding on previous emperors' successes, but it takes skill.

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Obviously Julian.

>>128431461
Personally my favorite emperor is Majorian. Guy seemed to really have his shit together and re-conquered the fuck out of the WRE. It would've been nice to see what he could've done if he wasn't also busy being backstabbed.

>>128431461
Diocletian or Nero both were great emperors.

>>128431461
Unironically? Augustus

Ironically? Gaius

I'm going to be a cliche faggot and say Marcus Aurelius.

Charles V

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>>128431461
Nero, by far.
Burn the poor, tax the rich.
Have donkey as official to show their irrelevance.

>>128432909
He, if anyone, should be given the most blame for destroying the Empire though

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>>128431461
Marcus Aurelius

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>>128431461
My ancestor.

>>128433006
Scratch that, that was Caligula.

>>128431461
Constantine,

He was a man of God.

>>128431461
Trajan.

A god among rulers.

Just because this is /pol/ I am going to be edgy and go for Nero. Nero did nothing wrong

Trajan or Constantine desu senpai

>>128433109
>Marcus Aurelius
>posts a picture of Caracalla

Nigger, are you trolling?

>>128431461
Aurelian

>>128433006
>>128433322
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras_(freedman)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus

>>128431461
Trump.. didn't read

Thrax.

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>>128433126
My aesthetic nigga.

>>128431461
Probably Trajan or Hadrian. Basicly any of the "five good emperors" is a safe pick.

Nero did nothing wrong.

>>128432287
nigga what? by the time of Augustus the very vast majority of citizens(requirement to be in the army) would be Italics, he was all about the primate of the Italic nation over all the others

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>>128431461
Marcus Aurelius for them quotes.

Phillipe II

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>>128433126

>>128432287
by the time of his acclamation the republic was already in a state of decline as a republic. thats why caesar could dismantle it.
augustus in fact realised many problems of rome of his time, which included something like a welfare state

>>128431461
Marcus Aurelius. Because of his stoic gainz.

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>>128431461
the people
ROME born by republic
and dictator like emperor system destroy it

>>128433604
It's not a direct quote but a summary of his philosophy.

>>128433544
except the last one, there is a reason why he was the last one

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Hadrian

http://www.thetower.org/article/remembering-hadrian-destroyer-of-the-jews/

>>128433910
Never trust summaries

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>>128431644

>stoped racism in military
>fucked up the system at the base

cincinnatus was best. Prove me wrong, I will hear you out.

>>128433876
>confusing emperors with Christians

>>128432334
>Obviously Julian.

This! BTFO Christcucks!

>>128433604
He was a literal cuckold who willingly tolerated his wife sleeping around. His ""son"" Commodus probably even wasn't his own - that's why his character was so different.

http://www.jasperburns.com/gasfaust.html

>>128433994
Yeah, you should read Meditations instead. But still: don't worry about potential reward in the afterworld and just live virtuous life is a pretty good thing to live by.

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Aurelian.
Praise the Sun.

>>128433986
Hadrian was always my favorite too. Slow and steady wins the race. The best emperors are the ones who build rather than kill.

>>128432287
Italians were barely Roman to begin with.

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>>128432334
>tfw if he wasnt assassinated by the Christians, we would have been pagan by now

>>128432334
>If varg was emperor

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>>128431461
Nero

>>128434234
It was a political marriage, Aurelius didn't care much for her so it's hard to be surprised he didn't care for her infidelity. And for the kid not being his... all of five good emperors adopted their heirs.

>>128434247
>SOL INVICTUS UP IN THIS BITCH

>>128434154
>Reinstituted old Roman family values into law
>Brought Rome into a golden age after a century of civil wars
He wasn't perfect, but the Roman empire wouldn't have reached the heights it did without him.

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>>128434155
Nope lol don't blame Christians

the republic system is the greatest thing that happen in europe. the rest of the world must wait or 1000+ years to have anything like that

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Trajan

>>128432324
Antonius would be the best time to live in Rome, peaceful well managed. Long reign.

However the shit storm Marcus Aurelius inherited was partially due to the fact that the Roman Army didn't keep the pressure on the barbarians allowing them to gather strength

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>>128434445
>varg
Yes, because varg is a highly educated philosopher-king.

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>Emperors
Sic semper tyrannis!

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>>128434379
Wrong. We wuz kangz, and DNA proves it.

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>>128434445
lel

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My nigga Galerius. Romans BTFO.

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>>128432334
>>128433006
>>128433109
>>128433126
Straight from PLEBBIT all haters of Christians. GTFO

>>128431644
FPBP
Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, and Constantine were all pretty great too

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>>128431461
The one who wasn't an Emperor.

If you haven't already, go read the Masters of Rome series by Colleen McCullough.
Caesar was and still is the most alpha male to have ever lived.

>>128435072
Constantine sewed the seeds of Rome's fall.

>>128434897
Robert De Niro is only 1/4 Italian

as far as real romans go probably augustus

also traianvs


from byzantium id go with julian, for trying to beat the jewish cancer back and reinforce the old ways

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>>128434740

Also he gave the power up in the end, though he used it to kill or defeat many of his enemys, he gave it back in the end. Takes a lot of character and love for your people. Ceasar never wouldve done that, but I like the old fool despite being a giant cunt.

Anyway, everybody makes mistakes and the best ones do have a little conquest to keep the troops able in warfare and make some gainz, but also build equally to advance technologically.


Man I wonder what would have happened, if christianity didnt fuck up the roman empire and if they stayed racist and only allow true romans as commanders and such.

Also I dont know what political system I would call such a state. They werekind of libertarian, but patriotic as fuck. Plus they would go full fascist if engaged with high danger.

>>128435156
Rome was in decline for 150 years before Christianity became dominant.

>>128435170
I really fucking hate it when people do this. I posted it for the study it lists, not for the pictures.

>>128434758
>republican system in europe
>great

>>128434897
Romans weren't mutts sorry dog

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>>128434379
Romans themselves were likely Etruscan+Italic mutts.
There's no reason to assume "Latins" were a much different Italic tribe from the others, we don't make such a fuss about Germanic tribes and they also went by different names.

>>128433876
KEK that is so edgey

>>128435044
What are you talking about? I'm a christian.

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>>128435044
>let's burn libraries and scratch crosses into statues lol

>>128435276
Neither are Italians, unless you consider cisalpine Gauls in the north and Greeks in the south to be a different race

>>128435256
And that only hastened its death
Romes religion was what made Rome so strong. Once it was dismantled by Jews it fragmented. Their allies to the north broke off their alliances and returned to their ancient tribal ways, and Rome eventually fell.

>>128435156
Why? I think he was pretty great, he converted the empire to christianity and founded Constantinople among other things.

>>128432287
If you are angry at an emperor that ruined the army go to Diocletian, pretty sure it was him, was the one that made Rome a military state, causing a tax hike making most wealthy white men flee into Catholic monasteries.

>>128435085
He was great.

What do you think he would have done in civic terms if he hadn't been assassinated?

Vesuvius

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>>128435085

Caesar is definitely one of the most able men that ever lived, but also too egoistic and didnt work in the interest of the roman state, but in his own and thats why he isnt my favorite. He loved his men though. I would have liked him to see the old age and what he could have done for the empire under his command.

I doubt he would have let christianity in and would have surpassed all before him.

>>128435256
I hate it when you post bullshit pics

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>>128431461
Octavius Augustus 100%

>>128435478
Exactly

>>128435453
Roman religion wasn't even a unified belief system. Cut the varg-tier bullshit, Rome fell because of corruption from beaurocrats with no accountability, and the jews were the ones bribing Roman officials into persecuting Christians. The Germanic tribes that conquered the already broken empire were Christians themselves.

>>128435453
>Romes religion was what made Rome so strong.
What, reading the future in animal entrails?

>>128431461
Caligula.

>>128431461

Nero.

>>128433126
trajan was born in nowadays spain...

>>128431461

Augustus. All others sucked dick

>>128435633
Thats not his name
Its either Octavius, Octavian, or Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus

Trump

>>128431461
Caligula
Best of the best

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Julian

>>128431461
After Augustus, Trajan

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>>128435347
It was Julius Caesar that burnt down the Library of Alexandria not the Christians, you are fucking up dates by 300 years. (((Somebody))) in his army setthe city on fire and he chose the housing over the library, adn he never regretted it

>>128431461
Cincinnatus or Sulla or Augustus or whichever killed the most semites

>>128435694
>>128435705
Typical Christgoy non-arguments.
I dont understand why you get so fucking threatened by me simply stating historical fact.
Nowhere was I shitting on your Kike religion but since you show me no respect then neither will I.

Your alien jew religion destroyed one of the greatest civilisations Europe had ever created. Fuck you and fuck your g-d.

>>128435782
DIVI FILIVS

Titus - destroyed the kike temple

>>128435912
Why are you spreading fake news? It was most likely the muslims during the 80 year expansion of egypt and north africa. Almost every ancient historian agrees.

>>128431461
>Nero
>666
The devil in person for you.
>>128431729
Thats not nice anon.

>>128435782

Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus

He really pushed the living god meme

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>>128435558
>"DNA? Fucking shill, everyone knows the Greco-Romans were blonde Aryans like in the movies."

>>128431461
Caligula because he fucked his sisters and mother. Now thats some hot stuff right, RIGHT????

>>128435549
He was the ultimate Alpha. He was 5ft 7.

>>128436062
I'm not Christian, I just hate autistic pagans who push falsehoods.

>>128436197
Augustus also means "greatest and best"
Kek

>>128431461
Marcus Aurelius.

>>128436179
We're talking about Julius Caesar burning down the library of Alexandria. Romans hated Egypt and their "knowledge"

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>>128435855

one of the better ones, definitely, but his most trusted general fucked up and didnt follow his command. He should have died for that.

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>>128435327
Thanks :)

>>128435912
>let's reduce library of Constantinople to two three dozens of books lol

>>128436311

pretty easy for people to believe that after you killed all the ones that didn't

same shit with stalin dieing an old man surrounded by statues praising him

>>128435912

fucking fake news everyone knows it was the muslims, because "all we need to know is in this fucking book"

>>128436215
What movies?

Those American made ones from the 70s?

>>128436453
>>128436485
Liars, got a problem with Julius Caesar? Because he's the one WHO ACTUALLY BURNT IT DOWN

>>128436285
What fucking falsehoods? Go read a history book, go listen to Mike Duncans Rome podcast
I daresay he knows more than some autistic Christ shitter on /pol/

>>128436502
Yeah, the shitty hollywood ones.

>>128431461
Caligula seemed like he would fit in well here

>>128436369
I know what you're talking about, its fake news. Caesar didnt burn the library.

Doubtlessly Caligula, the roman par excellence.

>>128436062
>Typical Christgoy non-arguments.
The pagans did read the future in animal entrails, wich just prooves how superstitious and backward they were. How is this a non argument?
> simply stating historical fact.
You don't know what a fact is. The sacking of Rome by the goths is a fact. What you said is a hypothesis, and not even a mainstream one. What historians actually agree with what you said, from what I've read they say that christianity had no negative impact on the military capabilities of Rome.

>>128436597
You're arguments consist of lying about how and when Rome fell, and calling everyone else a kike.

Definitely Julius Caesar, because I share my name with him.

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>>128435912
Is this /pol/ or CNN?

>>128432103

Agreed, Constantine was the greatest, defeated all his enemies and legalized Christianity.

>>128436579
It was an accident during the siege you retard.

>>128436732
Where did I lie kike?

>>128436717
Do you know why the German tribes broke their peace with Rome?
Do you know anything about Alaric the Goth anon?
No you dont.

>>128436798
Why are you continuing to post fake news Ahmed?

>>128436828

>muh visions of a cross on my shield

he was a cuck emperor that had to suck christian cock to delay the death of his country

>>128436764
>>128436579
>>128436369
SNIVELRY

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>>128436836
So did it happen or didn't it? Because he was able to save the building but he chose to save another part of the city.

IF the christians were in this situation you would have blamed them any ways. Hiel Caesar

>>128436894
You said that Rome fell because it adopted Christianity, even though it had been in decline for a long time before.

>>128436836

>use /pol/
>still believe in (((accidents)))

>>128431461
There were literally hundreds.

>>128434897
>>128435302

I'm not talking about genetics. I'm saying that the Italians living during the republic didn't see themselves as Romans. The other Italians would still mint coins of the Italic bull goring the Roman wolf well into the 1st century B.C.

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Elagabalus was the best, reddit shills out

>>128436717
>wich just prooves how superstitious and backward they were
Oh yeah, christians are the epithome of rationality on the other hand and never do retarded shit. Also Jovian did nothing wrong!

>>128436579

Lol almost all of the information in your pciture is wrong and that graph about the 2tehnology gap" gives me cancer.

True, christianity should have never spread and constantin should burn in hell, but after rome fell, europe was in a 500 year long deflation, wich didnt mean technology stopped in total. much was lost though.

Ahmed, nobody here believes your lies and you should go back to seducing goats.

Muslims burnt down alexandria and for that alone they and all their descendants should die. there probably was the recipe for roman concrete in there, we could have buildings that last forever by now. but no, muh muhammed said so and more than 1000 years later we only have fucking portlantconcrete wich doesnt even last 150 years.

>>128437152
Ok, sorry for misreading it. I know about the identity issues with the Etruscans and others, I just thought that you were implying nordicism or something like that.

>>128437054

Everyone knows the barbarians invasions from 370 onward were the reason Rome fell, if Rome had never let in the Goths, the Goths would have never sacked them, case closed.

>>128437165
dirty Syrian

Have you guys listened to Death Throes of the Republic from Dan Carlin?

>>128437041
It burned down but it wasn't done deliberately unlike let's say Jovian burning down library of Antioch.

>>128436894
This doesen't explain how me pointing out the backwardness of pagan practices in not an argument.
You also didn't point to any historians that suppor your hypothesis (not fact).
>Do you know why the German tribes broke their peace with Rome?
Many reasons probably, one of them being the Huns.
>Do you know anything about Alaric the Goth anon?
Yes.
Do you know what a fact is? No.
Do you know what an argument is? Apparenty not. Avoiding all I said and asking some questions without and explanation to how it connects to your hypothesis is not an argument.

>>128437300

augustus was already losing roman legions to the germanic tribes in 9 AD. no emperor after him was successful at doing much more than slowing the death of a cult created and sustained by worshiping augustus.

>>128437300

This. If rome would have adopted christianity with muh equals and muh human life and muh charity then romans wouldnt have let the goths in, wich were just a tool of the huns(the kikes of today) spamming rome with goths just by attacking them. rome shouldnt have let them in, just let them die, better, give them a good command and send them in the field to kill huns and it would have been for all the better. christianity made romans weak and rome died for it.

>>128431461
Karl der Grosse

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>>128437577
He burnt it down, and I'm proud of it. Literally after he died everyone just finally fucking said. JUlius Caesar burnt down that Godamned library. AND GOOD FUCK EGYPT. Take it from someone who knows a thing or two about history. Caesar didn't give a shit about some fucking Philistine INtellectuals.

>>128437776
>karl the butcher

>>128437694

UMM Rome expanded from 9AD up till 200-220 AD tho, you makin no sense!

>sack temples
>burn priestesses
>destroy sacred architecture
>outlaw festivals
>outlaw singing
>outlaw theaters
>outlaw games
>never repair aqueducts and build wells instead
>build wooden houses for the poor inside the cities to have mobs always ready
>cause countless fires because of this
>rewrite medical books because they talk about penises
>cause countless plagues because fo this
>believe in god induced dreams
>cause countless usurpations because of this
>publicly lynch philosophers
>outlaw skepticism
>etc. etc. etc.

christianity is a religion of peace and the true patrician choice for an enlightened man like me, ha ha. *vapes*


read some academic books you pathetic christcucks. your ignorance is not justified and your atheistic deus vulting is a joke

>>128437383
I have. What a wild ride.

>>128437230
>christians are the epithome of rationality
yes
>and never do retarded shit
I never said that. But the christian religion doesn't allow for this kind of supperstion.

>>128437300
The Roman empire was already getting concerned with the Germanic tribes and they were thought to be an existential threat more than 300 years before that.

Face it, the Germanics were the fear of the Romans for a long fucking time.

>>128437748
The Romans didn't let the goths in, the goths just kept defeating them in battle.

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>>128438179
>What is Eastern Rome
>What is the more Christian half of the empire
>Why did they suddenly have a goldenage after the "collapse"?

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>>128438179
Jessus, we have this mental illness in Romania too?

>>128437979
yea, if there is one thing I despise him for it is the killing of the based Saxons in Northern Germany

>>128438184
>But the christian religion doesn't allow for this kind of supperstion.
Aside of faith in miracles. And prophets. And prophetic dreams.
So i guess if i soothsayer were using their dreams instead of animal guts they would be ok by you?

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>>128431461
Caesar. Gaius Julius Caesar.

Able warrior. Superb general. Skilled politician. Loved by his people. Feared by the elite.


>>128435085
>On the way across the Aegean Sea, Caesar was kidnapped by pirates and held prisoner. He maintained an attitude of superiority throughout his captivity. The pirates demanded a ransom of 20 talents of silver, but he insisted that they ask for 50. After the ransom was paid, Caesar raised a fleet, pursued and captured the pirates, and imprisoned them. He had them crucified on his own authority, as he had promised while in captivity.
An alpha like no other, before or since. So much indeed that his name became a title itself.

>>128438213
They replaced the Celts as the threat from the north

>>128438472
That's right he was a fucking badass

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>>128438367
yes, orthodoxy is strong here

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>no mention of Titus ITT
(((I wonder why?)))

>>128438472
Kek

>>128431461
Not technically an emperor but Sylla

>>128438366
Slowly shrinking into a single city is hardly a "golden age". Shit, byzantine golden age is one for the same reason why muslim is one as well. Everyone else was in deep shit then.

>>128438213
>muh teutoberg
Romans got even at Weser river. Most battles fought between the Romans and Germanic tribes ended in Germanic defeat. They didn't stand much of a chance before getting their hand on Roman weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Idistavisus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vosges_(58_BC)

>>128431461

Claudius.

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>>128438556
HOW DARE YOU

>>128438725
Yes, Romans generally dominated. They're wasn't much point in conquering Germania.

>>128438463
>Aside of faith in miracles. And prophets. And prophetic dreams.
Pagans belived in those things too, not to mention human sacrifice.
>if i soothsayer were using their dreams instead of animal guts they would be ok by you?
Of course not, I'm not a pagan.

>>128431461
Trajan

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>>128438718
How far is your head up your ass? You do not even realize that city was pracitcally coated in gold? In the middle of fucking "dark ages" the Hagia Sophia was built. THye had libraries, plumbing, white MEN, Chaste white women, and it fought the gates of hell for a THOUSAND YEARS AFTER ROMA FELL. GTFO

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>>128431461
You ask, presumably, because Rome was the first globalist-style multi-culti empire.
And contemporary mass-consuming fellaheen are the new Romans.
Who wants to be worshiped like a god must balance the enterprise -a worldwide biomass rendering plant- to secure comfort/satiety for the lowest scum at the pyramid base..
who can build his cult sacrificing innocent for the guilty.

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>>128431461
Hadrian.
>Build up and stabilise instead of expansion for the sake of expansion.
>Revitalise Classical Greek culture to give the empire a stronger cultural base.
>Emphasise martial qualities and keep army strong, live a martial life.
>Ban Jews from Jerusalem.

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>>128431461

Fucking

>Marcus Aurellius

Author of "Meditations." Too bad Commodus was such a POS tho.

>>128438875
>christians don't belive in dream interpretation
You went full retard now.

>>128438173

>marginally expand a border just because you don't have enough taxes to pay the army

>don't have a large enough army to expand the border again because it is too large

>try to expand again anyways to pay the taxes

>fail

>die

>>128431461
I'm a fan of Tiberius. He didn't want to be emperor but fate placed the empire in his hands and he served out of duty to his people.

>>128439078
Marcus Aurelius was a literal cuck. Augustus and Julius cucked other men. Chose

Maiorianus or Marcus Aurelius

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Vespasian

>>128438961
What's up with crazy people and all caps?

>>128439192

how can you write something like that and not realize it was just ancient fake news

>>128439078
I never get why people like this guy. Sure, he wrote some mediocre book, and he was a good ruler, but he also ended the period of the four good emperors. I guess he was too busy writing his shitty book to actually find a proper heir.

>>128439031
He was also a raging homo.

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>>128438961
>How far is your head up your ass? You do not even realize that city was pracitcally coated in gold? In the middle of fucking "dark ages" the Hagia Sophia was built. THye had libraries, plumbing, white MEN, Chaste white women, and it fought the gates of hell for a THOUSAND YEARS AFTER ROMA FELL. GTFO

„John [II Komnenus] was a man of medium height, black hair and dark skin and that's why he was called the Maur [Μαυροϊωάννην to be more precise]”
A History of Deeds done Beyond the Sea, vol. II,trad. Emily Atwater Babcock and A. C. Krey, New York, Columbia University Press, 1943, p. 129.


also this is his son with his wife, you deluded christcuck

>>128438725
What is your fucking point? That Romans were superior fighters?

Thanks for the input

>>128439353
He's right. The Byzantine empire flourished for 1000 years after Rome fell.

>>128439108
Of course we do, but not from some soothsayer. Why would I even belive someone like that had an actuall revelation from God?

>>128439426
Most monarchs can't find good hires. His predecessors were an exception, not a rule.

>>128439437
So are all these """men"""

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>>128434234
One reason I never bought the Commodus isn't Marcus Aurelius' son theories is that Commodus looks just like a Chadder version of Marcus

>>128435072
Trajan FTW

>>128439437
Rome was a nation of homos, you can say that about pretty much every emperor mentioned in this thread. Doesn't change what he achieved.

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>>128439426

Yeah but it was a REALLY good book.

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>>128439565
THANKS FOR DENYING NOTHING I SAID

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>>128436268
his life inspired the best lesbian scene in porn history

>>128431644
fpbp

Honorable mention to Trajan cause spanish

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>>128439565
You're a literal Cuck
MARCUS AURELIUS WAS A LITERAL C U C K AND SO WAS NERO DEAL WITH IT BABY FUCKING CRY. KEKOLDY IS CAPITAL OFFENSE IN TORAH

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>>128439613
>flourished
City with some land around it is hardly "flourishing" m8.
>>128439614
>my soothsayer isn't a soothsayer because his robe is different

>>128439209
Augustus was cucked in terms of succession

>>128439565
>hears about how great the Byzantines were
>bb bbut h he had dark skin
So? Is that the best you can come up with?

>>128438531
Yeah but the Germanics were much more warlike and basically too barbarian to be conquered, which is why Rome gave up trying to conquer them quite quickly and instead just tried to maintain the border.

Gauls were basically considered civilized compared to the Germanics.

Also the Gauls united under one banner in war against Rome and when they were defeated pretty much all of Gaul fell. The Germanics never really did that.

>>128439437
>Implying that's a bad thing

>>128439980
I honestly don't think you care about any kind of historical fact, especially if it conflicts with your worldview.

>>128439720
>>128439630
Not shitting on him. Just saying. Also Sulla was REALLY into traps.

>>128440063
b-but muh Asterix

>>128439998
No Tiberius was his fucking blood you moron Livia didn't get pregnant with Tiberius (((Coincidentelly))) at the same time they got fucking married. You moron how dumb are you people for believeing this. Livia was another man's wife and Augustus literally went to his own fucking house and TOOK HER IN FRONT OF HIM

>>128440063
The northern Gauls and Britains were pretty barbarian.

I'm not saying the Germanics weren't good at war but they were vastly outmatched in terms of military technology, discipline and tactics by the Romans.

>>128440302
>they were vastly outmatched in terms of military technology, discipline and tactics by the Romans
Everyone on the planet was.

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>>128439720
Not the the extent that American and British media makes it out to be. Gay men existed, but it wasn't public and promoted like today. Most of what you hear about historical figures like Alexander the Great being homos was made up by college professors in the 20th century.

>>128439980
>"City with some land around it"
>Wealthier than any other European power
>Controlled balkan peninsula
>"Some land"
K

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>>128440044
>hears about

freudian slips from the christcuck. no, my friend. it's "reads about" and you should do some reading too instead of hearing this and hearing that

>>128431461
Obviously Constantine. Made Christianity mainstream.

>>128439619
His predecessors didn't appoint a relative to the throne, he did. They appointed someone with experience in politics.
>>128439980
Christians don't ask oracles if they should go to war and with who. There's a very big difference betwen the way dreams are given mening in christianity, and pagan practices.

>>128439565
>John [II Komnenus] was a man of medium height, black hair and dark skin and that's why he was called the Maur
Quintessentially greek

>>128431644
Confirmed.

>>128440530
Fuck Christianity

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>>128440530
I hope Jupiter burns down your shitty maple wasteland--again.

>>128440474
That's not "1000 years after the fall". In the end they were BTFO by a bunch of drunk crusaders.

>>128440460
I'd be curious to see how a battle with China would have gone down.

>>128440655
No

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>>128440474
>fags sucked dick for thousands of years
No need to comment on your own sex life.

>>128432324
>Antoninus Pius
Mediocre guy at best. Guy spent the pinnacle of the Roman Empire just chilling out and neglecting defence. He should have nipped the barbarian problem in the bud, or at least not have lived so fucking long.

>>128440172
top notch comic
>>128440302
To the Romans they were different. Ceasar himself said the Gauls were warlike but that they could be civilized, he did not think the Germanic tribes could be.

>>128440591
>Christians don't ask oracles if they should go to war and with who
Yes, they ask priests. It's a big difference.

>>128439373
Redpill me on Pliny the Elder

>>128440509
> it's "reads about"
I was reffering to the comment you replied to. But you'r deflecting. Why did you point out that some Byzantine emperor had dark skin, as if that's an argument?

>>128440509
>nothing to refute his argument
>resorts to criticising his grammar
i guarantee all the women you're posting are christain too

>>128440789
Tiberius was pedo and I don't see you complaining about him.

>>128440684
>Trojan horse by Byzantine political rival
>"btfo"
Stop

>>128440708
Projecting that I'm a fag because I researched the actual sources instead of reading propaganda books by liberal authors isn't an argument.

>>128440789
>Yes, they ask priests.
No, they literally don't you drooling idiot.

>>128440701
Bloody as fuck one could guess. Chinese were less advanced but more numerous. Bloodshed would be like nothing seen at this point.

>>128440828
Natural History is a fascinating snapshot of the ancient world.

>>128440670
Jupiter doesn't exist

>>128440963
>projecting

No it's called DENILE.

>>128441077
Not with that attitude he doesn't.

>>128440976
>church doesn't meddle into politics
Now you are just lying.

>>128431461
Trajan

>>128431644

FPBP

Augustus was Wilt Chamberlain of Rome

>>128441077
The star jupiter is in the sky above you how fucking dumb are you people omg

>>128440828

he seems like a true scholar and gentleman

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>>128441079
>DENILE

>>128441036
Certainly not until the mongols. You see pictures of WW2 and the aftermath of the atomic bomb and shit like that but I don't think it would even compare to the sights of the aftermath of a mongol attack.

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Titus

>>128441284
only faggots use this image. FAGGOT DETECTED

>>128440963
>propaganda books by liberal authors isn't an argument
>Antinous is just liberal propaganda
>Metrobius is just liberal propaganda

>>128441079
Fucking hell haha

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>>128441144
If Jupiter existed he'd have more than just edgy teenagers on a turkish accordion forum worshiping him.
>>128441202
>the star jupiter
>the star

Pertinax

>>128441284
>>128441406

He's totally in denile about being a faggot

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>>128441374
HE TAXED PEEPEE

>>128440474
>Gay men existed, but it wasn't public and promoted like today.
It was a pretty complicated affair really.
>Don't be the one getting fucked unless you're pretty young.
>Don't do it with someone of an equal social class to you, don't get fucked by someone of a lower class, don't fuck someone of a higher class.
>Still expected to get married and have a family of some sort.
It could certainly be public, Hadrian wasn't exactly shy about Antinous and his love, but it wasn't an identity like it is today and being obssessed with sex marked you as feminine and weak.

>>128441462
Youre in denile too.

Elizabeth II

>>128441366
>mongols
Fucking devils, man. Timur and his towers of human heads are stuff of nightmares.

>>128432828
Caligula's problem was he was the first Emperor to make it apparent to the Senatorial class what the Principate was really like.

They could explain away Tiberius as just being an asshole, but with Caligula it was apparent that the Republic had permanently been altered.

>>128441422
>"He said the Romans weren't as gay as Spartacus and Caligula made them out to be? That means that he thinks there were NO gay Romans."
Put words in someone else's mouth you autistic cretin.

>>128441159
>church doesn't meddle into politics
You slimy fucking kike, that's not what I said and you'r accusing me of lying?

Christians don't ask religios authorities when and with whom they should go to war with, or when to attack the enemy, this is something the pagans did regullarly.

Does the church meddle in politics? The Catholic Church deffinetly, the Orthodox one not so much. But pagan priests also interffered in politics, so I don't see your point.

Caracalla
>Disain for plebs
>gives Roman rights so they could be taxed to hell and back

>>128441837
oh shit, meant disdain

>>128440860
have you not read his comment? because he implied they didn't.
i would suggest "O City of Byzantium, Annals of Niketas Choniatēs" as a start for a better understanding of what these greeks who called themselves roman trully were. of course, it's not representative of the whole of their existence, but of the Komnene era, meaning the golden age. the rest is even worse. maybe it will open your door to JSTOR and scholarly work, although byzantologists have it very far up their arses and they might actually confirm your fetishizing

>>128440906
i criticized his way of thinking, blind man

>>128440906
Of course they are. Try telling a woman you belive in Zalmoxis or Odin and she'l spit you in the eye.

Julius Caesar

>>128441778
Don't try to rewrite history. The Romans persecuted Christians specifically because they were superstitious nutjobs. And their Semitic bullshit didn't make a lick of sense until monks ripped off Aristotle, in the most convoluted mental gymnastics of all time.

>>128441778
>the Orthodox one not so much
Not having enough power =/= being unwilling.

>>128433006
Nero was actually a pretty damn fine emperor and the whole burning thing had nothing to do with him.

>>128441778
>Does the church meddle in politics? The Catholic Church deffinetly, the Orthodox one not so much.
To be fair, that's because in the Orthodox, politics meddled in the church instead with caesaropapism.

>>128442083
Wasn't an emperor

>>128435912
>>128436179
The library got burnt down multiple times.

It was a shell of its former self by the time of late antiquity.

Mehmed II

>>128442108
You're just unwilling to take ONLY 3 dicks from your five uncles and two dads.

>>128442207
Nero was so popular that down to 400 AD there was a common legend he would return to save Rome in its time of need and the Parthians once even used a Nero lookalike to try and get popular support for a revolt.

>>128442371
>projecting this hard
Easy there, cletus.

>>128441966
>hears about
>no, my friend. it's "reads about"
i know English isn't your first language but this is a grammar error not a "thinking error"
>>128442020
Probably because Odin swallowed semen and nobody is even sure who Zalmoxis was

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>>128442504
>projecting
YOU MEAN IN DENILE
>Cletus
No it's Gaius my friend's name is Cletus

>>128436311
Augustus means more like "Revered one".

The word Optimus would be the more latin equivalent to "Greatest and best".

>>128441966
>have you not read his comment?
Of course I did, he praises the Byzantines and lists some of their accomplishments. Pointing out some emperor had dark skin means nothing, it's just dumb.
>i would suggest "O City of Byzantium, Annals of Niketas Choniatēs" as a start for a better understanding of what these greeks who called themselves roman trully were. of course, it's not representative of the whole of their existence, but of the Komnene era, meaning the golden age. the rest is even worse.
>read this particular book, oh no, I'm not actually gonna make an argument or anything, or even quote from it, just read it
>although byzantologists have it very far up their arses and they might actually confirm your fetishizing
Yah, can't trust historians because they disagree with you. Byzantine history is not exactly the hollocaust, it's not that controversial.
>i criticized his way of thinking, blind man
No, you were deflecting.

>>128442585
no. it's a tongue in cheek joke (or a critique) that he implied i heard about byzantine being failures instead of reading about it

you've either grieved all night and need some sleep or you're playing dumb.

>>128436619
He definitely had a snarky, biting sense of humor that /pol would approve of.

>>128433544
>Nerva
shit got real lucky the next 4 guys were good

>>128442108
>Not having enough power =/= being unwilling.
Actually, the Orthodox Church is pretty clear about this. But keep grasping at straws.

>>128442792
your stupid deflecting jokes don't matter, what matters is you were wrong and didn't want to admit that.

Donald's Trumpus.

>>128443056
You mean grasping at dicks

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>>128442703
>The word Optimus would be the more latin equivalent to "Greatest and best".
MEATBAGS BTFO

>>128441036
China already had the repeating crossbow at that time

>>128442758
Some of them are jokes, quit playing around. You have historians who write lengthy paragraphs trying to prove that the Bzantine's piety was so pure they wouldn't ever enjoy swimming or traveling for example. They might write lengthy articles about it, completely ignoring the difference between factual, cultural and personal realities. That's what I mean, those kind of historians who become modern apologists. Why of course, they do that in the face of postmodernism, sure. Doesn't mean they're not as deluded as any other kike. Tertullian or Augustin would laugh in your faces.
Byzantine history is only one, the literature of the period proves it. Archeology completes it. Apologists adapt to it.

>>128431461
caligula

>>128440788
are you seriously trusting one of the bedt liars in history for objective truth here?

>>128431461
Justinian I

True Patricians recognize Domitian as the only red pilled emperor. Dude was our guy.

>>128443453
>Some of them are jokes, quit playing around.
What are jokes, the sentences you wrote? I made multiple points in my last post, you have to be more speciffic.
Are my points jokes? I don't consider them so. Of course I do mock you, but I still state my disagreements with what you wrote.

>You have historians who write lengthy paragraphs trying to prove that the Bzantine's piety was so pure they wouldn't ever enjoy swimming or traveling for example. They might write lengthy articles about it, completely ignoring the difference between factual, cultural and personal realities. That's what I mean, those kind of historians who become modern apologists. Why of course, they do that in the face of postmodernism, sure. Doesn't mean they're not as deluded as any other kike. Tertullian or Augustin would laugh in your faces.
Byzantine history is only one, the literature of the period proves it. Archeology completes it. Apologists adapt to it.

What the hell are you even rambling about? I never claimed the Byzantines were saints. And bottom line is you don't have any actual arguments, and I don't even think you have a point.

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>>128441465
Quality choice.

> Fought his way through the ranks from nothing
> Introduced discipline in military
> Increased the silver content in the currency to fight inflation
> Lived modestly, he sold off Commodus properties and concubines to raise money
> Reformed the grain shipments to Rome to protect against future famines

A shame he was assassinated by the praetorian guard that quickly.

>>128431461
Would you Anitous?

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>>128431461
If anyone Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus

>>128442020
>believe in Zamolxis

another christian sect. but you won't admit that see "The Foundations of Zamolxiana New Religious Movement"

>Try telling a woman
women learn with a good dicking, buffoon

>>128444622

>Are my points jokes?
no, the historians are. also, what points?

>>128445320
>Zalmoxis a christian cult
>women learn with a good dicking
>historians are jokes, I know better
Ok buddy, i see who I'm dealing with. Just another mental case, as to be expected from a pagan.

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>>128445320
>Zalmoxis is a Christian sect.
>Religion first mentioned by Herodotus in the 5th century BC is actually a sect of another religion that wouldn't exist for another 500 years.

>>128445613
nitpicking my points and everybody's in this thread. as expected from a christcuck

>>128445823
you really think today's zamolxianism has anything to do with it?

this board's really been invaded by reddit

>>128442097
> The Romans persecuted Christians specifically because they were superstitious nutjobs
The romans made sacrifices and read the future in animal innards. But the christians were too superstitious for them? Is your hypothesis supported by any historian, I never heard about this before. All historians I've read say the christians wee persecuted because they didn't want to sactifice to the pagan gods.
>And their Semitic bullshit didn't make a lick of sense until monks ripped off Aristotle, in the most convoluted mental gymnastics of all time.
Yah, I bet you'r a true bible scholar and read all the holy church fathers right?
>Don't try to rewrite history.
Projecting much? That's what you'r trying to do, unless there are any historians that agree with your hypothesis.