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>>128419101
Is stonecoal english too okay?

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>>128419273
As long you try to keep it in the perks

Did you wash the flag a bit too hot or what?

fuck off with these threars

>post in english only
kanker op

>POST IN ENGLISH ONLY
Kanker hoorndrager rot op

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>>128419375
>what is prinsenvlag
fuck off shill

>>128419523
>hoorndrager
That hits the plank miss.

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Remember guys, we're not going to be intimidated by these attacks!

How are Dutch coalition talks going, kikes? Will PVV be forced in there? Even better, will another election be called?

So when do we get bombed? Feeling a bit insignificant here isis

>>128419683
who knows
we dont need a government
all it does is kneel to brussels, we'd be better off without it

>>128419683
Nee de PVV blijft uitgesloten. Hopelijk komen er nieuwe verkiezingen waarna FVD groter wordt en rechts een sterker blok kan vormen.

>>128419683
>How are Dutch coalition talks going, kikes?
Literally at a standstill.
>Will PVV be forced in there?
Lolno. They'll force PvdA (labour) that lost over 3/4ds of their seats in before PVV.
>Even better, will another election be called?
Lolno. There's already talk of a minority government.

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>>128419101
Brabant

Zwarte Levens Doen Ertoe!!!

Nee dat klinkt niet.

Ik stel voor dat we een echte Black Lives Matter voor onze onderdrukte zwarte medemens oprichten.
Lang leve Zwarte Lieden Ageren Altijd Fel (ZLAAF)!

>>128419101
You know, the key to ending stuff like that is realizing that a 12-year old kid is capable of attacking someone. And that you should attack/or kill him just like you would a 25-year old attacker

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>>128419724
nobody gives a fug about holland, not even isis

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>>128420140
NANHEU
>Niet Alle Negers Hebben Een Uitkering

weak dutch police at their finest
https://twitter.com/JPY_Kurdish/status/870871873944473601

Reposting myself from the old thread

>>128418023
>>128417758
There is some confusion going on because 'their' motivation rests on 2 principles, not one. We need to clearly distinguish between them, because it clears up the confusion.

We have Islamic based violence on the one hand, which is the primary motivation of ISIS terror attacks, like that of Manchester or London. And then we have the Ethnic and Racial motivated violence, which is the primary motivation of our import-Dutchmen and which results in tons of smaller assaults, rapes, theft and murders that you hear about every day. The latter motivation is unjustly overlooked in trying to figure out why they do it.

They hate us because we are Dutch (or French, English, etc). And then in turn, the Moroccans hate Turks who hate Kurds and Armenians etc etc. Without the western world they would turn on eachother (even more). Its aggression veils behind Islam in these cases but is in reality ethnically motivated tribal interest. I'm not saying that Islam has no part at all in it, Islam is very much part of their ethnicity, but I am saying that their racial hatred is part of their motivation as well and sometimes the bigger part overshadowing their religious motivation. And then there is ofcourse a biological predisposition for violence built in to top if off.

So despite the secularization you are referring to, they remain hostile and dangerous, even without Islam.

>>128420140
>>128420501

Ik vind dat we vooral zouden moeten opkomen voor de gemarginaliseerde homofiele negroide medemens..

KNVVDHNM
>Koninklijke Nederlandse Vereninging voor de Homofiele Negroide Medemens

>>128419101
daily reminder that Dirk Jan de Geer did nothing wrong.

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You guys got one of biggest muslim minority in Europe.

Yet not a single terrorist attack in recent year.
How?

>>128419101
>Justin Bieber en Pinkpop geen droomhuwelijk
Hoe is dit relevant?

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>>128420140
>>128420501
>>128420698

Woudlopers get out
>REEEEEEEEE

>>128420895

>pig detected

Fucking Islamphobic tbqh.. Literally shaking now.

>>128420840
Actually arrest and convict those who openly call for attacks

Have Wilders in parliament who even without ruling forces the more moderate parties to take a harder stance on radicalism

A healthy form of weed regulation.
The radicals that smoke some glorious dutch green:
>Not today m8 I'm too stoned for this shit today. Let's chill and play vidya.
Rinse and repeat every day :^)

>>128420140

MDVN
Meer doekoe voor negers.
Betere partijnaam dan Artikel 1.

>>128420895
Wat? Niet janken!

>>128419101
oem da oep ne adre manier te zegge gen vloaminge?

Wie kick-off van JFVD hier? Kon er helaasch niet bij zijn, maar hoorde dat het leuk was.

>>128419101
>http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/4743474/lesbische-vrouw-mishandeld-groep-jongeren-in-rotterdam.html
>Volgens de politie is het meisje dat de klappen uitdeelde ongeveer vijftien. De jongen die de trap gaf is rond de twaalf jaar oud.
Dat is de 4e generatie ofzo die hier in actie is? Als de eerste generatie de beste generatie was, ging het daarna duidelijk bergafwaarts. Dus als het met de nieuwe vluchtelingen ook zo vergaat, waarbij dit de beste generatie is en de volgende bergafwaarts .. over een jaar of twaalf weten we het, ik neem aan dat ze nu druk bezig zijn zich voort te planten.

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thierry is doing great
not sure if he can get shit done (other than exposing the cesspool which is already very good) but he's doing what i wanna see someone do so i'm extremely happy with my vote

>>128422273

The ones born and raised here are the worst, probably because they were never treated like normal citizens in their education and such.. If you treat peope like worthless pathetic beings that are inferior to the dominant culture, they'll develop themselves in such ways.

They should have held immigrants to the same standards as natives from the start, but unfortunately expecting immigrants to learn our language and culture is considered racist by certain progressives in power.

>>128422901
Literally the only thing he did was put a piano next to the chesterfield sofa and marble statue in his office and speak some latin.

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>>128423494
Are you deaf, blind and dumb?

Nice bait though, made me reply.

>>128421711

Was heel matig. Alle vrouwtjes liepen op Thierry te soppen dus die kan je beter ergens anders oppikken.

>>128421711
Was heel gezellig. Rechtse wijfen zijn de lekkerste, die Goodiebag met lavendelzakje wat ook niet verkeerd.

>>128423999
Wie was jij?

De enige neger bij die JFVD kickoff kwam uit Amsterdam en deed kankerirritant op dat podium.

>"Ik kom uit Amsterdam!!! xd"
>"Huh wat, geen geluid, kom op mensne!"

>>128420562
it's not like he can get out, just an extra 200 euros added to his fine

>>128422903
>because they were never treated like normal citizens in their education and such.
Were they not treated normally? I grew up with and went to school with that 2nd generation 80's and 90's. Only a handful of Turkish and Ethiopian guys were around back then but never noticed any bias. I'm part Indonesian so I'm 2nd generation in that sense as well and I never experienced any negative bias in education or at work either. My view is that they probably were treated fairly, but they ruined their own chance and created that negative stigma themselves.

What is the reason for them ruining themselves? I think they realize they are stuck between 2 cultures / coutnries. If you speak to 2nd generation Moroccans, they tell you that they are not accepted in Morocco anymore. So now they have nothing and don't want to embrace Dutch culture or mentality (or what's left of that) either. Indonesians had a head start in comparison, they were sufficiently Dutch before moving here in the 50s, in mentality, culture and religion. The 2nd generation and later of Moroccans, Turks etc are never going to make the jump over that gap as a group, in fact the gap only gets wider, again by their own doing.

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>>128420619
>reeeeee

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>>128424566
DAFUQ IS DIS JAPANESE BS RISE AND SHINE MOTHFUCKERS AMERICA IS BACK BITCH

>>128424774
>Were they not treated normally?
No.
>I grew up with and went to school with that 2nd generation 80's and 90's. Only a handful of Turkish and Ethiopian guys were around back then but never noticed any bias.
Their parents were not encouraged to learn Dutch or participate in our culture. They were not expected to speak our language properly in schools, and were often even passed with low grades, or had their language grades polished. Then when they reach the higher educations, suddenly they fell through the cracks because they were never taught to speak proper Dutch.. Never even mind their first job interviews.
>I'm part Indonesian so I'm 2nd generation in that sense as well and I never experienced any negative bias in education or at work either.

>I'm second generation Indo Dutch. My ancestors came from the Dutch Indies and likely spoke Dutch as their first language. My situation is entirely uncomparable to the guest workers of the 60s.

Ok m8.
>My view is that they probably were treated fairly, but they ruined their own chance and created that negative stigma themselves.
They did not grasp chances because they were not expected to. Look up the early policies when it was decided that the guest workers would not be going home, but got to stay, and bring their families.. There as 0 effort to intergrate them. 0 effort to even teach them the language, and 0 expectations of them to do so... It could have only ended badly.


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Nice flag

>>128419586
Wot? Wat is tis?

>>128424774
>>128425446

>What is the reason for them ruining themselves? I think they realize they are stuck between 2 cultures / coutnries.
They were never encouraged to take on our culture, but instead were incourged to stick to their backwards rural collectivist honor culture, and backwards religion. That was a mistake, to say the least.
> If you speak to 2nd generation Moroccans, they tell you that they are not accepted in Morocco anymore.
2nd generation Moroccans are 1st generation Dutch people, technically, so they shouldn't have to be accepted in Morocco. It shouldn't even be a concern to them.. They should look down upon Morocco as the backwards African shithole it is, like we do, rather than revering it as some culturally superior motherland.
>So now they have nothing and don't want to embrace Dutch culture or mentality (or what's left of that) either.
So fuck them. They cannot be expected to be succesful, or to be treated as proper citizens if they do not behave themselves as such.
> Indonesians had a head start in comparison, they were sufficiently Dutch before moving here in the 50s, in mentality, culture and religion.
They were from the Dutch indies, and as such a sort of Dutch people, similarly to the Surinamese people that came here in the 70s. They are/were literally all Dutch Crown Subjects. Praise the Queen and all that...
>The 2nd generation and later of Moroccans, Turks etc are never going to make the jump over that gap as a group, in fact the gap only gets wider, again by their own doing.

Again, not just their own doing, but in very large part thanks to cultural relativism and racist PvdA policy..
>Oh those poor brown savages.. We cannot expect them to learn our ways and culture and language, and holding them to the same standard as everyone else would be terribly racist and unprogressive
This is the problem in a nutshell. Unfortunately it happened 40 years ago, and can no longer be fixed.

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>>128425446
Whatever you're trying to argue it ends the same way: Africans and Arabs don't belong in Europe.

>>128425446

Ohh fuck off with that argument.
The effort should have been from them.
If I ever decide to stay here is it the responsibility of the Japanese government to teach me their language and customs? No, I'll work my ass off to learn it.

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>>128425700

If I'm not mistaken it's a candle light vigil after one of the earlier French attacks (either Hebdo or Bataclan, I think Hebdo, but I can't be sure) where an /int/ poster lit one of those repeating firecrackers. Don't know the name in English.
>pic

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>>128425074
S-sorry John. Please keep a state White for me so I can move there in the future.

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>>128420187
Major terror plot being stopped by our secret services every fucking month you silly mongoloid.

>>128425700
Memorial of the Paris attacks. (#3 or 4, don't know)
Some based anon threw a firecracker close by to fuck with these "Imagine" singing hypocrites.

He got arrested and ended up in Guantanamo.

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>>128425842
>This is the problem in a nutshell. Unfortunately it happened 40 years ago, and can no longer be fixed.

Encourage them to move to their ancestral land, mass deportations or ethnic cleansing.
I don't see another solution.

>>128425943
>Ohh fuck off with that argument.

>t. American that knows shit about shit

No, fuck you.
>The effort should have been from them.
It would have helped, but it's still in large part the governments failure.
>If I ever decide to stay here
Were you brought in by the Japanese government? No? Then we're talking an entirely different context, are we not?
>is it the responsibility of the Japanese government to teach me their language and customs?
Did the Japanese government bring you in as a temporary worker? Did the Japanese government make policy about your stay? Are you a part of a much larger group of immigrants that were brought in structurally and based on government policy? Was it, or will it be decided that your status as a guestworker will be changed to permanent residency? Will you be allowed to bring in your wife and children without any requirement for intergration, VISAs, language or general competences on their part? Are there political parties in power in Japan that will literally implement policies saying you should be able to keep your own culture and language, without Japanese society expecting anything in return?
> No, I'll work my ass off to learn it.
Great. Unfortunately your situation is rather different from that of guest workers in the Netherlands in the '60s of the previous century.

>>128426029
kanker what een cancermongool

>>128426251
Source?

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>>128426078
I honestly feel bad for the guys and gals working at the AIVD. Its the only job where if you are really good at it, nobody will ever know.

[spoiler]Together with the police its also the only job where if you fuck up enough you usually get a bigger budget[/spoiler]
>inb4 multiple terrorist attacks in The Netherlands

>>128426990

Not that guy but the earlier guy, my source is being on /int/ when it went down.

>>128426500
>Did the Japanese government make policy about your stay?

It's not like they were forced to stay, they can stil leave.
What would be your solution?

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>>128426990
There's a screenshot of the guy asking what he should do, I always thought it was /Pol/.

>>128426500

Your whole argument is irrelevant because the guest workers could have gone back to their country. Nobody asked them to stay. They were granted the privilege. Even their children and grandchildren can still GTFO, as they are Moroccan and Turkish citizens.

>>128425446
If you want to pin the cause on the deficiency of language skills and education primarily, that is fine, it's an important factor.

Their kids went to school, mandatory, no exceptions. We firmly believed this was feasible to do so, we were supposed to be blank slates filled in by the western educational system. There was a 100% effort to teach them the language and 100% expectancy of them to do so. With the idea that having received the same education and given the same opportunities (which they were given) they would turn into fine Dutchmen. It didn't work out, of course.

But their CITO scores middleschool (highschool) advice cannot have been faked. There is not a chance that they were given a free pass on their final exams (still talking about the 80's and early 90's here). There is not a chance that the study advisors were turning a blind eye, en masse. If the teachers saw you straggling behind you would receive extra attention. Point is, they went through exactly the same school curriculum as any other kid, and received exactly the same grading, stimulation to do so, advisory talk etc as any other kid. There was 100% effort on the educational side of things, with no regard as to where they came from.

>>128425842
>but in very large part thanks to cultural relativism and racist PvdA policy..
I do want to agree with this, but I think the positive discrimination (are you referring to that policy?) came as a response when they noticed the 2nd generation was lagging behind and the 'egalitarian' narrative was failing. I think the 'PvdA' policy made things worse, but there already was a gap to begin with.

>We cannot expect them to learn our ways and culture and language, and holding them to the same standard as everyone else would be terribly racist and unprogressive
I think that is a later development to salvage the equality narrative. Things were going downhill already despite (or thanks to, as you point out) piles of money thrown at the problem.

>>128427119
>It's not like they were forced to stay, they can stil leave.

>'Hey guys.. Do you want to stay here in your comfy social housing projects and collect welfare, or go back to fucking goats in rural Morocco where you don't have running water?'

Most of them were never going back, anon, and everybody knew it.

>What would be your solution?

Since we can't go back in time, the only solution we have is to start treating Muslims like normal citizens sooner rather than later.

That means no discussion about headscarves anywhere. We've made rules about religious garb in public function for a reason, and there really isn't any debating them unless you bend over backwards for religious arguments or cultural relativism, as we've seen in Amsterdam recently, not to mention in the debate about full-cover garb. No positive discriminationin any way. If you want a job, get the fucking credentials. Learn proper Dutch, especially if you're a fucking 4th generation 'immigrant'. No excuses. No religious exceptions when it comes to homophobia or similar stances (goes for Christianity too btw, but they're a marginal force in this country today). No pass when it comes to racism/discrimination and especially calls to violence from Muslims towards natives, Jews, women, non believers etc, as we see currently.

Basically treat them as normal citizens. Example: Those 'ramadan riots' we're seeing currently in Amsterdam, Haarlem and some other places. I don't see it here (Leiden) but I do get a taste, in the sense that Islamic kids are out from about 22:30 to 03:00 being loud and annoying, and that there is no enforcement of rules that would NORMALLY be enforced, if it wasn't Ramadan.

I could go on and on, with regard to the freedom of expression, the (self) censorship of cartoons and cartoonists, the arrest of G. Nekschot way back when and on, and on, and on. But my point should be clear about now.
Equality before the law. But really. Not these low expectations.

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>>128427052
Lijkt me wel een geinig baantje. Zoeken jullie nog miemers voor de psyops, AIVD?

>>128427592

#NotAllFrench (are pussies)

>>128427645
>Your whole argument is irrelevant because the guest workers could have gone back to their country.
They SHOULD have gone back to their country. They were MEANT to go back to their county, untill the policies changed.
>Nobody asked them to stay. They were granted the privilege.
Indeed. They were granted the priviledge without any obligations in return.. Not even basic intergration. Not even learning the language. That's my fucking point. THAT'S where the government fucked up, and I hold the social democrats/labour responsible for that.
>Even their children and grandchildren can still GTFO, as they are Moroccan and Turkish citizens.

See above
>Would you like to stay here and confortly receive welfare, and not be expected to do shit, or would you like to go back to the goatfucking mud hut village of your grandparents?

They should have never gotten the choice. Not in the circumstances they did, anyway.

>>128427905
>Their kids went to school, mandatory, no exceptions. We firmly believed this was feasible to do so, we were supposed to be blank slates filled in by the western educational system. There was a 100% effort to teach them the language and 100% expectancy of them to do so. With the idea that having received the same education and given the same opportunities (which they were given) they would turn into fine Dutchmen. It didn't work out, of course.

>There was a 100% expectation for these kids to learn the langauge, even though their parents did not speak it at home, and even though we never even attempted to TEACH said parents that langauge

How was that not a fuckup?

>But their CITO scores middleschool (highschool) advice cannot have been faked.

No, that´s my point on polishing. You can be pushed through elementary school, and then suddenly walk into the objectivity of a test like CITO. You can then (as happened more often than many teachers would like to admit) still get a recommendation for an education level that's beyond you.. And even if you do get through highschool like that, you'll still fail at the next level.

>If the teachers saw you straggling behind you would receive extra attention.
Or you'd just go to VMBO, or MBO. Or drop out. Often angry at the racist Dutch system and whity keeping you down...

>I do want to agree with this, but I think the positive discrimination (are you referring to that policy?) came as a response when they noticed the 2nd generation was lagging behind and the 'egalitarian' narrative was failing. I think the 'PvdA' policy made things worse, but there already was a gap to begin with.

That policy, but mostly the policy with regard to not teaching the 1st generation our language, and not expecting them to conform to Dutch culture and society in the slightest. That was just retarded... It would have been fine, if they didn't grant all those people permanent residency and even fucking citizenship.

>>128428191

We agree on that they should have been sent back, but you excuse them of responsibility for their plight.
The government made the mistake of allowing them to say and then failed to have policies to integrate them.
But that they are not is their own fault as well. If you have civilised non-retarded people they should be able to integrate without special government support. Their children had access to good schooling and became adults in a good economic period. Jobs everywhere. Problem is that because of all the inbreeding, backwards culture, and shit-tier selection of people, most of them are simply to stupid and unwilling to function in a modern society. Dem programs wouldn't have helped much.

>>128429211
>We agree on that they should have been sent back, but you excuse them of responsibility for their plight.

No, I don't. It's just that I don't excuse the social demograts and the progressives of old either..
>The government made the mistake of allowing them to say and then failed to have policies to integrate them.

And don't you forget it.

>But that they are not is their own fault as well. If you have civilised non-retarded people
There's your first problem m8... Muslims by and large are quite retarded, and their civility is heavily debatable.
>they should be able to integrate without special government support.
Respectfully, have you ever even met any Berbers?
>Their children had access to good schooling and became adults in a good economic period.
All the access to schooling in the world isn't going to help you if your parents speak Berber at home, and watch Berber TV. (or Turkish for that matter)
>Jobs everywhere.
And much too easy access to welfare.
>Problem is that because of all the inbreeding, backwards culture, and shit-tier selection of people, most of them are simply to stupid and unwilling to function in a modern society.
Quite likely. But a little push in the right direction for the first generation might have worked wonders..
>Dem programs wouldn't have helped much.
'Dem programs' in the sense of welfare, social housing and cultural subsidies is what got them where they came from. What they should have done is made acces to 'dem programs' dependent on intergration and learning the fucking language.

As a rule of thumb, people probably shouldn't be eligible for welfare if they cannot file the documents properly in one of the official state languages. Never even mind be allowed to bring their families over.

>>128427592
nice

>>128428700
I remember Turkish and Spanish flyers and registration documents at the GAK offices, that is when it went wrong.
There was never any attempt to make it hard for them to misuse the Gibs system. Especially with all the leftwing lawyers and hippy volk what looked for every quick escape route from accountability for them.
So it was a long time a easy gibs (free drivers license and all that crap) without any force to participate in society. So they did not.

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>>128419582
kek

>>128428700
>It would have been fine, if they didn't grant all those people permanent residency and even fucking citizenship.
100% agreed

>we never even attempted to TEACH said parents that langauge
>How was that not a fuckup?
It was, I agree here. But their kids were given the full treatment, just as anyone else's kids. And they ended up being worse, that's pretty poor return on investment.

>Or you'd just go to VMBO, or MBO
That's not bad if you are smart and hard working, I'm seeing many of MBO-ers doing fine at work, above average salaries.

Now the thing about their parents, who were put in a social system that was luxurious compared to goatfucking as you point out. They should have been kept out of that. But would everyone react to it as they did? It takes a special kind of person to just sit and think 'this is fine' on welfare. I'm still very much missing their 'will' to reach out. They aren't passive bystanders, they chose to come here, they chose to stay here. They can be held accountable for their neglect and being poor guests to their generous host.

This is my beef with your argument: it misses out on the first generations own responsibility. It really sits uneasy with me to think that our policies are primarily responsible. Why don't these people think, 'hey this is kind of strange, receiving money for nothing'? The reason is either that the question doesn't even come up in them or they just think 'haha suckers!' and continue to do so. Either way, the problem is inside them. Our policies merely made it possible and the most that can be argued here is that our politicians knew that this would happen in advance, Kalegri style.

Also, your reason for their failure opens up the possibility for a leftist spin:
>WE failed these kids by neglecting their parents. That caused THEIR kids to lag behind. WE are to blame for this, so pay up
>implying they are passive victims all along

You must do your part and show solidarity Holland, it's time to take some of these terrorist attacks.

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>>128419101


Kankerlied

/thread

>>128419523
>Not using the superior first world language.

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