lol

>>128384234
>implying anyone knew anything about the Paris "treaty" before Trump pulled out of it

>>128384479
I did. Just about everyone I know did. Most people actually pay attention to the news outside of the drudge report and Infowars unlike you

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>>128385273
>whats the paris deal about?
>liberal: MUH CLIMATE CHANGE MAN WE GOTTA COOL THE PLANET WE DROWNING
>ok but what is the deal actually about what does it do/enforce/change?
>liberal:bro, the climate...cmon

>>128385273
Explain to me what the agreement would accomplish.

>>128384234
worthless faggotry china and india are the biggest poluters so unless you want to put a series lean of them bitching about climate change is worthless

Guarantee more republicans have legitimate reasons why it's bad compared to how many liberals have legitimate reasons for it being good.

Even just look at the facebook comments on Trumps post. Quite a few are stating the facts how this does nothing to advance green tech in the states, and is just a cash grab for "developing countries". One that won't even mitigate the warming.

The liberals on the other hand genuinely believe that this somehow means the US is somehow going to cut green programs and clean energy tech, turning the US into a wasteland of pollution.

The difference in stupidity is palpable.

>>128384234
Meh, better to trust Trump rather than to trust liberals.

I'm all for it.

fake news. false flag. staged. bullshit. etc.

>>128385490
Imagine thinking everyone else was as stupid as you are

>>128385662
Still no answer from OP

>>128386151
Since agreement is non binding, it's basically symbolic anyway. Trump leaving it is therefore symbolic too.

By siphoning money, do you mean siphoning industries from the US?

>>128385662
>>128388190
Reduce the rate of temperature increase to prevent reaching a 2 degree c global increase in the next 100 years. It would only be by about half a degree, but that would prevent many of the most catastrophic effects. The US pulling out alone will limely lead to a .2 to .3 degree c increase in this timeframe. If you know anything at all about biology you would know that evolution will not be able to keep Pace with shifting environments this quickly. It also completely halts global cooperative efforts to stop this problem.

You can ignore it but the effects of global warming are going to be INSANELY expensive. Trump is borrowing money against your future to give to coal companies and his rich friends and you're just rolling over and taking it

>>128385490
This. Everyone for the Paris Accord have no clue what is in it or what it just, they're just all "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" and that's it.

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>>128389285
fuck the temperature and fuck homework

>>128389535
You've got 99 problems and every single one is a learning disability

>>128389285
You didn't say how, you said why. And yes a 2c temperature rise is significant. But the Paris agreement is voluntary.

>>128389580
You would've failed anyway, dumbass. You wear too much cologne in class.

>>128389809
You asked me what it would accomplish you dumbass

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wtf, I love climate change

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>>128386607
It's a lot of people if you look at it this way. This is the reason liberals are able to live in their own bubbles.

>>128384234
the earth is warming, goy, give us money to save it!

>>128390024
It doesn't automatically control the temperature. Individual nations have to decide what to do.

A more realistic and enforceable agreement would agree on level of carbon emissions, for instance. As it stands, a nation could choose to use voodoo magic to reduce the temperature.

>>128390381
So where do climate scientists, biologists, geologist, and ecologists fall into on that graph?

>>128390746
They don't. The elite have their own bubble. Fag.

>>128384234
Well OP. Have you looked into the Paris agreement?

>>128390584
Um, no shit?

It's far from perfect and should go way further, but pulling out is insanely stupid from environmental and economic points of view

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>>128390503

>>128390746
Considering they're the ones claiming that the science is "settled", I'd put them right next to Bill Nye, B.A.

>>128390920
Yeah that's why the graph has a section marked "expert". How embarrassing for you

>>128390932
yes send more money to those poor shitty nations, they'll invest it right away into everything they said they would.

>>128384234
Trumpslave
That fuck is willingfully a slave
Trump supporters are cuckslaves

>>128391076
Thank you for bravely sharing that

>>128390932
>yes goy...goood goyyyy....keep believing that we have ur best interests in mind...keep believing we're making (((progress)))

>>128391138
And the confidence of the "experts" is significantly lower than 100%. Though we're told that the "science is settled." That phrase in and of itself should set off all kinds of alarm bells. Nothing in science has ever been settled.

>>128391225
Not an argument.

>>128384234
90% of Trump supporters of /pol/

>Poor nations get money to not burn fossil fuels? This is global communism!

>>128391298
>yes goy...goood goyyyy
do you think anyone reads past this?

>>128391583
t. kike

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>>128390932
holy shit
being this retarded
being this cucked
being this buttblasted
being this befuddled when the earth is shit

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>organize pro-Trump flash mob in less than 24 hours
>grab media attention, disrupt the gay #MarchForTruth thing happening today, everyone gets a laff at CNN = ISIS being shown on CNN itself
>fucking camel lickers steal the spotlight with a string of terrorist attacks across the pond
I'M PRETTY UPSET TO BE QUITE HONEST FRIENDS

>>128391520
Why should Europe and America subsidize China's energy policy?

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>>128390932
Economic? Only thing I can think of is ocean acidification and fishing. But it also is bad for the US coal and oil industries.

China is still getting worse. If I wanted to help the problem I would bring manufacturing there to the US since we have stricter controls and care more about pollution.

>>128391351
This is such a tired and boring argument. What would it take to make you believe in climate change, 500 more studies? Even if somehow we were completely wrong, which is insanely unlikely, the worst that happens is we make the world cleaner and achieve energy in faster. This would make our people healthier and the economy stronger

>>128389285
So you now absolutely nothing about biology. Gotcha

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>>128391583
everyone does! you're not a human, you don't get or know what we do and think

>>128385273
>most people actually pay attention
Lol no they dont. To most it's just a virtue signalling hobby, and that's if by "most" we're discounting the almost half of adults who care so little they don't even fucking vote.

Free fucking market. If you don't want freedom leave America.

>>128391814
What are you arguing here

This is a foreign concept to some of you but it is called being a patriot.

>>128391944
Care to explain or are you just going to lazily throw that out there?

>>128389285
nothing you said has anything to do with the paris agreement you histrionic sack of nigger shit

>>128391823
The sheer number of studies is irrelevant, it's the data within them that is unsatisfactory.

>b-but if we're wrong, then we've just made things better

No, being wrong means that we've unnecessarily spent billions of dollars subsidizing the energy policy for third world countries. There's a very real cost to these policies.

You know how I know for a fact that all this shit is nonsense? Nobody is talking about measures that would actually reduce emissions: fewer subsidies for meat production, ending replacement migration, slowing exports from China.

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>>128392068
common sense you fucking retarded faggot

>>128392060
You purported an economic savings and I objected.

>>128392274
Was for
>>128392068

>>128389285
haha you actually believe this shit. and even if it were not a hoax (it is), good luck making china and india stick to the agreement (they won't).

>>128391520
>poor nations

Neither China and India are poor. Eat shit and die, you fucking worthless commie puke.

>>128389285
Hello individual who lacks the ability to think critically.

How would the USA pulling out lead to a .2 to a .3 degree increase in 100 years?

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>>128384234

I don't see why anyone would find this strange. It's like we suddenly forget all the retards that thought Obama was going to pay for the child support and buy them a new house because they trusted king nigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

>>128392194
Oh the data is unsatisfactory, wow! In all of them too!! You should be a science reporter!

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>>128385273
Oh get that shit the fuck out of here lmao

>>128392230
Um

This is how fucking stupid Democrats are. Complain we pulled out of the Paris agreement even though China and India are bigger polluters than we are. We are the leading nation on reducing greenhouse gases by ratio. The Paris agreement literally has no plan of action, just the same fucking retards on a broken loop to decrease the temperature by 2 cel. Except the US to give a total of 3 trillion to distribute to shit poor countries and expect them to put the said money into helping the environment. Sounds like a great idea desu.

>>128392230
Lmfao fucking retard, a Lithium battery lasts years and Oil is instantly Burned. Also, there is no aquifer under the Lithium mine... Not so with Fracking. THousands of Oil spills a year. Meanwhile a coal plant captures 1000 times more pollutants via filtration, and the energy is basically free for electric car user.

>>128392230
That's a copper mine, not that I care either way. Mining is good.

>>128392321
.... Do you not know how horrifying the effects of ocean acidification alone could be?

>>128392505
Being snarky doesn't constitute an argument.

If climate change is the most serious threat to the world. And citizens of developed countries contribute significantly more pollution. Then why is the left trying to flood developed countries with more people?

The sensible solution is to level off the population in developed countries and stop India and China from further development. If the science is as settled as you believe, we would be completely justified in taking such drastic actions.

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>>128385273

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>>128392571
My grandma never let me say um, she said "only retards who stare with their mouths open say um, you aren't a retard are you?" are you?

>>128392505
You really are an imbecile, aren't you? I was planning on adding something worthwhile to the discussion but your posts indicate that you have neither the wit nor the temperament for any real debate.

>>128392060
>muh free market
Freedom of religion. BTFO Mammon-worshipper.

>>128386256
Right? Blumpf has about about a 50/50 track record so far. The shitlibs lie every god damn fucking time because they're all globalist kikes who want to kill us.

>>128385273

lmao Most people probably don't even know if Paris is a city, a country, or a continent.

>>128392651
fracking happens way deeper than aquifers.
And coal power plants are all being shut down because natural gas is basically free now in the US thanks to... fracking

>>128392816
How do you plan on stopping India and China from developing?

And if you think leveling off the population would be wise economically, then you don't understand economics. The US controls how many people it legally allows on for a reason and that is to support the existing population as they age. China is going to get FUCKED by this in the coming years due to their 1 child policy

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>>128389285
>i watch vice and tyt so im an expert on politics and science you should all listen to what i say or youre retarded rural bible thumpers.

Also this >>128389580

>>128392869
Oh no.... Please come back................. I would love to learn to properly debate and prove people wrong by their own logic from you m'lord

>>128384234
Hey, so.. I'm a rational person with a physics degree and I'm not from America so I don't have a patriotic angle, but I entirely agree with Trump's decision.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-5899.12295/full

This paper covers the predicted effects of all current energy schemes.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/figures/doi/10.1111/1758-5899.12295#figure-viewer-gpol12295-fig-0011

This figure here, the blue line is if America takes part in the Paris treaty, red is if they don't.

It will make a 0.015°C difference, and cost trillions.

It is an economic suicide pact. China and India, who are respectively a superpower and a potential upcoming superpower, both are not going to adjust their climate change policies, and their contamination dwarfs ours.

So by cutting down on the relatively low effect we have versus them, it allows their economies to grow, and them to have a greater stranglehold over us. If you want India to be more powerful than America in 20 years, sign more treaties like this.

If you care about western values over 0.015°C that's going to happen either way, and acknowledge that climate change won't be fixed until renewable energies become more economically viable than fossil fuels, pulling out of the Paris treaty is a great idea.

>>128393423
Vice sucks ass

>>128392815
Except the Paris agreement does nothing for ocean acidification. Did you even read it?

>>128393274
China stopped its one child policy.

Stopping the development of China and India should be your main goal if you actually care about the environment. As those two countries develop, they're poised to triple the number of citizens living in developed countries. Add in the population explosion in Africa (fueled by leftists subsidizing food and medicine), and you've got a disaster.

Perpetual economic growth isn't preferable or reasonable in the long term. We should focus on per capita GDP growth, not just total GDP growth. The shitskins have to fuck off back to their countries.

>>128393515
>us
>uk
nice proxy
>>128393769
We should stop focusing on growth at all, because the bankers eat it. What kind of cucked central bank borrows from its rich rather than issuing money?

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>>128392651
>a lithium battery lasts years and Oil is instantly Burned
Idiot that doesn't realize lithium is a fucking salt concentrate,
>duh lithiul magic will last alots compared to oil which is old and useless! we will recycle the old cells too it's not gonna be like the landfills full of AA's that we bemoan oh nop nope nop

>>128393978
I'm a fucking Manny Mandem you loser, I am 0161 as fuck, why the fuck would I proxy for this dumbass thread? I'm here to argue science, not speak to a sperglord who can't accept the idea of a brit being up at 7am.

>>128393769
>Stopping the development of China and India should be your main goal if you actually care about the environment.
The sierra club actually used to be against Mexican immigration for this reason. It's absolutely irreconcilable among modern liberals, they support third world population explosion and importing them to the largest per capital energy users.

It would be interesting to press them on the issue. Academics can't get away with denying the facts of this.

>>128393978
The kikes have convinced everyone that countries are mere economic entities. This allows for situations like our current dilemma, where "our" governments are flooding "our" countries with shitskins in an effort to boost short term political growth.

>>128393715
Yes it does, did you?

>>128386151
Based Royal Canadian

>>128389285
you're a lot stupider for being informed

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>>128392943
couldn't have said it better
>when your haters sarcastically try to present your points but it's fucking hilariously accurate and even better coming from there stupid selves

>>128393769
I know they did but the damage is already done and that doesn't negate what I said

HOW would you stop their development?

>>128389285

How will signing a piece of paper stop the global temperature from increasing by 2 degrees in the next 100 years?

Will the temperatures keep rising but at a slower pace? What will happen in 150 or 200 years in that case?

>>128390034
So this paris agreement was stupid gay sjw shit?
Trump wins again

>>128394176
The only unifying ideology I can find behind it all is "whitey is bad."

>>128394238
k

>>128394204
it doesn't though, you even said the measures weren't enough to help, now you're just being a contrarian as opposed to being a clever hypocrite

Führerprinzip

>>128389285

>not knowing how evolution works in the current year

Creatures evolve based on many factors, one of the biggest is climate change itself. Even if it warms up faster than usual animals will just evolve via bottleneck

>>128394416
Did you read my post yet? I even cited for you, and I'm pretty sure I'm the most qualified person here to be talking about this.

>>128393515

2°C is never fucking happening mate, this treaty is 0.015°C of long term impact.

>>128394442
Help=/=fully solve

>>128394336
The first step to halting their development is no subsidizing it with the trillions if dollars this Accord was promising them. We need to destroy their economies at whatever cost we can. A similar strategy needs to be put in place for Africa. Their population explosion and development isn't sustainable. We're looking at an all around struggle for resources if the current trajectory is allowed to play out.

This isn't polite to say, and it doesn't fit into the "whitey is bad" narrative, so it will never be pursued.

>>128389739
You've got 99 hypotheses but not a control group one.

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>>128394585
help = nothing or anything
it's like a promise from a nigger it's a fucking gesture
you fucking retarded faggot, you're so weak

>>128394494
Yeah, no. For many species it is destroying hibernation cycles, mating cycles, migration patterns, living environments and available foods. Some species will flourish ind the new conditions, but all it takes is a couple of extinctions and you can obliterate the balance of an entire local ecosystem

>>128394585
There's a real overzealousness of scientists to believe that the ultimate goal of mankind is to benefit science and that they would be the best at making legislation.

Now, we could talk about how going for pure logic and science should really end in us relying on positive eugenics to make the most intelligent offspring to carry on the scientific legacy, however, even just ignoring that whole problem with scientific-led political policy:

Scientists always assume that if they instate a policy, completely ignoring the economic cost, everyone in the world will obey and it will cause the nation to prosper. It's true in some cases, it is not at all true in all cases, and this is one of those cases. It would be arguably BAD for science and for the world climate to allow third world nations who don't care about scientific process or clean energy to become superpowers. We have a respect for science, it's important that those memetics continue, and that only happens by safeguarding our value system, which happens by safeguarding our nations economically.

You still haven't replied to my post, and yet you're replying to all these other people. I assume that means you can't actual deal with an actual debate and only want to talk to stupid people on the other side to reinforce your idea that everyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot.

>>128394204
Indirectly, kind of.

But as I stated before, the Paris agreement is about temperature, not CO2, when we don't know exactly how they relate (I.e. Degrees per ppm CO2). It is basically a doomsday prophecy.

>>128394416
whatever the paper claims there's no reason to evaluate it in terms of climate change

>>128394509
Not only is that a single study and the lowest figure I have seen cited (I'm not reading the whole study right now), the reaction to that if that was true would be we need to do more, not we need to do nothing

>>128394902
and those ecosystems being obliterated shall be stopped by your benevolent help, oh thanks so much savior of the hibernation and habitats what would life do with out your helping hand \o/

>>128394585
So you want to throw billions of dollars at this and lose loads of jobs for what? If the accords are gonna help the climate problem not solve it what good does it do then?we're all gonna get fucked anyways if its really as bad as scientist say and the accords are only gonna "help". And we dont even know if the other countries are gonna keep their end of the bargain just look at the Nato countries who havnt paid their defence spending. Its a no-win situation

>>128394705
Oh so you're just a retard, got it

>>128395089
I'm not that dumb, ask my grandma

>>128384234
Just say "It's all about the money" and insinuate that the paris agreement was a way for multiple billions of dollars across the world to be earmarked for companies that boast a progressive outlook towards energy.

>>128394757
That sucked

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this isn't reddit. why hasn't OP been banned yet? are you guys not reporting him?

>>12839525
>WnHZT
WeenieHurtz

>>128394827
k

>>128395254
I don't understand. How do you mesh "we need more immigrants" with "the developed world is killing the environment."

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>>128394176
>>128394365

The reason that everyone is melting down over Trump pulling out of the climate agreement is because we're basically dealing with liberal religious views when discussing climate change.

It's a matter not just of faith, not just of identity, but deeply-rooted spiritual need for "goodness". In practice, liberals feel that climate change mitigation is a way to absolve themselves of their white sins of privilege and power - it's essentially a leftist version of paying indulgences. What's worse, climate change penance has to be done on a civilizational level to be effective, so those heretical climate change deniers are actually PREVENTING the progressive faithful from obtaining salvation!

Remember how upset everyone got when Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the cathedral door? Trump basically did just that by refusing to sign the Paris Accord, AND he told the libs that they won't ever be able to get into Marxist Heaven.

>>128395369
you don't even deny being a weak faggot...?
just kys you old fogey

>>128395105
Part of it is controlling CO2 emissions

>>128395138
The correct reaction is, "We can fuel trillions and it won't scratch the surface, meanwhile China and India are going to be polluting so much that the net good we do is dwarfed by their bad, and put ourselves in such a weak economic position we're powerless to stop them".

What should we be throwing then? Hundreds of trillions? We should ourselves become third world nations? What you're implying is ridiculous.

The only way to fix climate change is to make solar more economically viable than oil, and suddenly all the capitalist oligarchs will be incredibly interested in renewable energy.

The AI revolution is coming, the clean energy revolution is coming, just the mass production that e.g. Tesla are doing and the advances of e.g. Deepmind need to take place. These WILL take place within the next 50 years, and then the problem will fix itself.

In the mean time, there is nothing we can do that really stands to make any difference other than keep enough money in our economies to fund the research and production for this technology. The Paris treaty is a pipedream.

And, if you want to cite me other studies that you feel are more accurate, feel free. I'm making my decisions based on peer reviewed data, not what my twitter bubble parrots.

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>>128384234
It's all for naught. The sun will eventually destroy all life on Earth.

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>>128395357
>expecting mods to ban anyone when they let nigger porn sit on the first page for an hour every day

>>128395357
>Opinions I don't agree with scare me, get out of my safe space

>>128395138
Exactly so why are other countries not willing to renegotiate with Trump? If it really is that bad and they really care that much dont you think they would swallow their pride and do whatever it takes? Wouldnt they have taken more extreme measures if we're really all fucked in 100 years or whatever

>>128394705
>We need to destroy their economies at whatever cost we can.
>if engineers ruled the world

A man can dream..

I've got an alternate solution though. Take control of all oil worldwide, tax it high enough to reduce consumption to whatever acceptable level, spend the taxes to research alternative energy. We get an empire for conservatives, and save the world for greenies, everyone wins. Theoretically it would fix the problem in 20 years.

>>128389739
stop making fun of the differently-abled bigot

Also you haven't read the Paris Agreement. And it's only a framework agreement sperglord.

>>128395597
I agree with you re: solar panels and China is actually the country leading that charge because Trump is competing with Reagan for "most holes in brain while president"

I disagree that this is a waste, it's the first global effort to solve the problem and while it doesn't do enough, what it does is important

>>128395598
>caring about the sun in that scale
Dude, by the time the sun envelops our world or even manages to kill it, humanity will have either left it or we'llall be dead. Shorten your timescale a bit lad

>>128396065
What it does is throw trillions down the drain.

I also want to point out, there are studies that disagree with the study I cited:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1758-5899.12316/full

Those studies disagree with it, saying it is overapocalyptic and temperatures aren't expected to rise that much. In other words, the study I gave you that shows the impact is negligible, is considered by other more recent journals to be /overestimated/.

It's literally a pointless treaty. The idea that it's "just nice to do that" is, again, a silly scientist-centric way of looking at things that has no basis in the reality of balancing a country's budget and policy making, and international diplomacy.

Don't worry, everything is fine, Earth will survive, humans will survive, and the situation will get better, but this won't help fix it.

>>128396065
China and India are the problem. If even half of their citizens consume as much as Americans, it's game over for everyone.

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>people present this as a climate change v climate denier debate
>nobody actually questions or debates HOW emissions should be reduced
Human-caused climate change is almost certain. Paris was a terrible fucking treaty that did nothing to solve that. These are not incompatible views.

>>128394902
That's unfalsifiable. I think you're underestimating evolution. Volcanic eruptions every few hundred years change the climate a lot yet we still have huge biodiversity. Last one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

Good. Trump is fucking awesome. Climate change is a meme. The climate has always changed.
>but muh 2 degrees c
Even if the politicized science exploited by elites and corrupt government is true, who gives a fuck. Some species you didnt know existed will die and the earth gets a little warmer, thats always been happening. OP is a fucking faggot, and the guy in his picture got paid at least 2500$ thanks to AJs new contest.

>>128396358
Hopefully you're right but I think you're being will fully ignorant by cherry picking studies that fit your narrative rather than looking at the larger body of research

>>128384234
I sure do believe that's exactly what he said and not something the twitter poster made up since there is no video evidence of him saying that! JUST LISTEN AND BELIEVE GOY!

>>128396468
I'm literally a biologist, ecosystems are insanely fragile

>>128394902
The fact is, we can survive on root vegetables, humans will be fine no matter what. I have more empathy for the working class who suffer from bad economic policies than for some animals or plants in the ocean that stand to undergo extinction (although realistically we would keep samples of any of them that have already been discovered like we currently prevent everything from going extinct).

In a reductionist viewpoint, preserving local ecosystems basically comes down to, "I like the idea of looking at animals and eating different flavours of food" (which, btw, eating animals is not good for the environment so that's not an argument for endgame climate control).

If you like this stuff more than you like looking after your poor, your sick and your old, then sure. I really honestly can live without biodiversity, and evolution will cause new adaptations to fill in those gaps either way.

>>128396677
You haven't shown me any other studies, I literally googled "impact of current climate proposals" and found the top study, and then found more studies that say it is fearmongering. You've not cited me any studies at all that show that the Paris Treaty will produce significant results.

>>128395482
It should have a specific provision for CO2 then. Environmentalists have the same concern.

>>128396911
This comes with the caveat that I am a physicist so I am A. talking outside of my field and B. cynical towards things like the feelings of animals (and/or people).

>>128384234
That should be a lesson to both "sides". Most of the plebes have no fucking clue what;'s in these "accords", laws, bills, acts, etc yet continue to let these assholes run their lives!

>>128396911
Cool well I don't want to live on a largely lifeless hellscape just so Trump can lower taxes on the super rich.

>>128391520
Nah, it is just blackmail without doing the important stuff to get them off being dependent on those remittances.

It is global corruption (of which Americans use the signifier "communism")

>>128397018
I'm on my phone so it's not happening, if you truly believe that the whole thing is a scam orchestrated and signed independently by most developed countries independently that's on you

>>128396677
>>128396804
>I'm a biologist

Given how retarded you've been this entire thread either your university was utterly shit to allow you to ever graduate or you're lying about having ever attended college (and probably highschool as well).

>>128397345
Lol

>>128397103
I'm from England and we have no predators, very few annoying insects (basically just wasps and flies), lots of species of flower, the basic species of trees and all the vegetables you could want for farming. Likewise we have lifestock that feeds on grass etc. that would never be affected by diversity.

Maybe if you are so middle class that you get to go scuba diving on some reef somewhere (in which case you really don't get to talk about cutting subsidies to the poor), then you will notice a problem, but realistically you will never see a difference for anything that climate change will affect.

Oh, some part of the rainforest that people never went in.

Oh, polar bears are in zoos now instead of cannibalising each other adrift on a block of ice in the shit middle of nowhere.

Is this supposed to make me want to give away trillions of dollars that could be given to people who are dying in poverty, so that China can overtake us and put us /all/ into poverty?

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>>128397285
>even though China and India are by far the biggest threats to the global environment this dumb fuck manages to blame Trump somehow

Hope you get culturally enriched you dumb fuck

>>128392944
Okay you went a lil far there broski people know what Paris is, but no one I know personally gave a shit about the agreement till trump left

>>128396065
China leads in solar power manufacturing because they don't give a fuck about the pollution. Also they dump their panels.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-solar-idUSKBN0FX09220140728

Ok well this has been fun but I need to sleep.goodnight :)

Tim videotaped the interview, this wasn't what he said. He gave out facts and figures while the CNN keeps calling him and Trump a Nazi.

>>128397446
Where do you get these "trillions of dollars" numbers?

>>128384234
He's speaking literally, isn't he.

>>128384234

That's Kenny from Kenny vs Spenny... Lol they have been had

>>128386256
I don't need to "trust" anyone, Trump made the 100% correct call here.

>>128397285
I don't think it's a "scam" or "conspiracy", I think that it's politicians trying to use a "we're doing well for the environment" buzzword to attract 18-24 voters and liberal voters to their party, while making themselves feel good for "doing something for the environment".

Meanwhile scientists are happy because it funds science and bodes well for the future of fixing climate change.

However, it does basically nothing for actual climate change and only stands to hurt western countries, who we KNOW will happily put economic policies (like, let's increase immigration, this makes money), over their citizenry. See the nailbombing in my city last month in which my friend's brother was murdered.

Trump is doing something that is unpopular, because he knows it's better for his country, it's the same as the muslim ban. You won't hear english people say it out loud, but whaddya know, another terrorist attack last night in London about a 1 minute walk from where one of my best friends live.

It's not that China and India "tricked" anyone, it's that they don't give a shit about what policies the west have, and the west has such a saviour complex and the idea that it can never be overthrown, that they happily make suicidal legislation.

>>128397544
Man you really got btfo

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>>128390381
>This guy says things that don't line up with my views therefor he's a dum dum!
You're one arrogant, stunned cunt

>>128397611
http://accf.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/170316-NERA-ACCF-Full-Report.pdf

It will cost the country's GDP $3 trillion.

>>128397611
The amount that Chinese-manufactured renewable equipment will cost for the West

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>>128389285
There is no hard evidence it would do that, there's not even hard evidence that anthropogenic global warming is even occurring as climate scientists cannot make an accurate model based on their hypothesis.

>>128388825
>By siphoning money, do you mean siphoning industries from the US?
Both at the same time, and the money and industry will promote China at the rich countries expense

>>128398014
>Access Denied - Sucuri Website Firewall

>>128397848
(YOU)

>>128397982
Honourary doctorates aren't earned, they're given to guests as signs of goodwill. Those 6 are pointless.

"Director" of a "society" is not a real academic qualification, especially when you're the director and VP.

"Assisted in the development of" is weasal words.

He made a TV show, he volunteered in stuff, and he has a Bachelors, not Masters, in engineering, not physics.

None of this is any authority, probably about 50% of my friends who went to university with me have better placed degrees to talk about scientific policy than this. He is a professional entertainer with some somewhat science background. (Though engineering, which is applied science)

>>128384479
>implying all treaties aren't just us giving stuff away and getting fuck all in return

>>128389285
>Reduce the rate of temperature increase to prevent reaching a 2 degree c global increase in the next 100 years.
Literally no guarantee of that happening because of the fact that China can and will pollute and is encouraged because of the deal

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>>128384234
It doesnt get any better from Trumps braindead lot

>>128396804
I have trouble believing such a small temperature change in itself would destroy an ecosystem. Large mammals should be fine, insects can migrate, smaller things like fungi/bacteria can evolve quick enough to adapt. If the effect is so drastic, where are the dead ecosystems? Biggest threats I hear about are rainforest destruction for farming and hunting.

>>128398148
Google it and look at the cache, or use a VPN? Not much I can do if your internet won't let you see the source.

>>128394047
Oil has a shelf life too, you stupid cunt!
Except oil is way worse for the environment because of the emissions released from producing it.
And fracking releases a shotload of methane which is ten times worse!
Who gives a fuck about micro environment, its the globl average temperature that matters. Kill yourself!

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>>128398694
Before the Industrial Revolution we had been in 100 million year trend of atmospheric carbon depletion due to carbon fossilization, CO2 levels were down to approximately 217 ppm, if it had fallen under 200 ppm then photosynthesis would have shut down.
We saved the planet from going into a possibly unrecoverable snowball Earth. If you're really worried, though, your concern should be with disappearing carbon sinks rather than emissions. The loss of phytoplankton to toxic dumping by China, India and the rest of third world and population booms in Africa, South Asia and Latin America causing rampant deforestation is what you need to be correcting.

>>128394047
These are the dumbest image arguments I've ever seen on here, an Atlantean history infograph I saw once was more logical than this, congrats.

>>128398524

what about hillary cunts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ePhVDYRiE

>>128397982
>college student
>engineer
>museum docent
>tv show host
>free guest speaker
nice resume

>>128389285
haha you care about trees and shit, fucking cuck

>>128398694
>fracking releases a shotload of methane
This is an argument anti-frack people love to make. It is entirely unsubstantiated, however. In truth, it might, but there is no evidence for it.

>>128397848
You've got some good posts here. Did the nail bomb bring you to /pol/?

Another factor in the US is liberal boomers. They have a lot of real estate money, not long to live, so virtue signaling about the environment at the expense of the economy make sense to them.

>>128398948
You're wasting your time, climatefags don't give a fuck about the environment

>>128399640
Nah I came to /b/ after seeing the Tom Green raids in 2006, then quit 4chan for a while in 2010 while I went to Uni, then came back in 2015 at around the last UK general election.

It was weird seeing people on /pol/ posting pictures of my friend's brother though.

>>128390932
Yes, very far far far far away from perfect. Giving hundreds of billions of dollars to China, who doesn't have to abide to anything for 20-30 years isn't going to fix the climate.

>>128396804
If this were actually true, you wouldn't be on 4chan.

>>128384234
"Pittsburgh NOT Paris". Btw he offered to renegotiate on this, but EU said no. Hmm sounds like a pure money grab to me.

>>128398985
>Still using Hillary as a deflection

>>128384234
>1440x2560
holy shit you fuckinmg rich westerners

>>128384479
fpbp

>>128390034
>>128390034
sjw shit, al rite...

maybe fuck migrants?

>>128397848
>I don't think it's a "scam" or "conspiracy"
Honestly it probably is a scam because an overwhelming majority of the public speech about counteracting climate change is just advertising for green/alt energy.

If you really wanted to counteract climate change you would look for an active solution, like engineering more efficient breeds of sugar cane and algae to act as carbon sinks. Or coming up with some device that reduces CO2 and running it a very dense source of energy like nuclear. Yet most of the time we hear politicians going on about MUH GREEN ENERGY when the reality is that even if we all moved to green energy we'd still be producing a ton of greenhouse gases from stuff like breeding livestock and just manufacturing common materials like plastic, steel, etc.

And to top it off saying that we're going to slow down climate change is a really weak message. It doesn't make any sense for it to be used as virtue signaling and what not. If you really wanted a strong message you'd go out and say "We're going to kick climate change's ass". It's not like the masses actually care about actual science. Everyone fell for "solar roadways" just because the creators said it was kick ass and got that Firefly guy to promote it.

So we have a passive "solution" that's going to slow down our deaths and a message that's weak and passive by nature. Given what we know about politicians it seems more likely that they're getting kickbacks from green energy companies who get government funding.

>>128400725

so you can call out trump people all you want and they cant call out hillary people back? wah wah cry about muh feefees and how she lost. it's literally like that wojak picture of her on the ground peeing herself

>>128384234
Well, he's not wrong...

The CIA runs both CNN and ISIS.... so...

>>128389285
go watch "an inconvenient truth" and see what gore predicts would've happened by 2015. he got nothing right, because the left is a bunch of stupid whiny pretend fortune teller faggots

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>>128398948
The rate of co2 disappearing from the atmosphere wouldve taken thousands of years to turn into another ice age. The rate we're pumping ghgs into the atmosphere will send us into environment changing temps at an unprecedented rate the likes of which will ruin civilization and any chance humanity had to travel beyond the stars.

And the vast majority of scientific experts on the subject disagree with you, so please just shut the fuck up

>>128391823
97% of scientists actually reaching a consensus would be a start.
There a thousands of paper on tansgender queer pan-feminst theory that say a whole bunch of nonsense.

>>128400974
Germany was actually really good about that. Unfortunately neither of these have happened.

Massive solar plants in North Africa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertec
Nuclear explosion excavation of canal to a depression in Egypt to make a hydro electric plant
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project

>>128384234
An honest answer.

>>128391945
fucking based. who are these on the pic?

>>128401695
>he thinks climate change will kill humanity
A few cities will get flooded and it will be harder to produce crops, which genetic modification already compensates for.

>>128401521
>he got nothing right

If they called it "Father Earth", literally no-one would care.

>>128385273
>> trying this hard

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>>128389285

Biology handled it just fine from the medieval warm period (hotter than now) to the little ice age in 1770s. When was the last time you saw the Potomac frozen over?

>>128389285
So you magically have the weather perfectly figured out for the next 100 years, when no other estimates on literally anything concerning this have been accurate over shorter time frames. Gotcha.

>>128394757
nailed it

>>128397982
>>leaf being a leaf
nothing to see here

>implying any of this is true.

>>128391823
What will it take you to understand that we understand that the climate is changing. What you don't understand is we are looking at it on a geological time scale... not your brain washed gnat attention span of decades.

How did human interference cause the massive heat in medieval times?

>>128386607
Says the guy who literally just googled it

>>128394902
You obviously don't understand basic evolution. Species evolve through changes in ecosystem. Extinction is natural

>>128403673
You mean easier to produce crops, higher co2 = more food for plants = bigger crops.
It's a pity it's not going to happen really.

>>128384479
There is not much to know, states agreed to reduce CO2 emission but nothing was done to curb surpopulation.