National Bolshevism

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I think
FUCK OFF LEFTYPOL

>pic related

>>128354627
Cringy larping shit.

>>128354627
Take your commie bull shit and shove it up your ass.

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>>128354627
Commies, globalists, and lolbetarians get the gulag then gas chamber.

>>128354627
Stupid childish slide thread reported

>>128355413
>a random post on LeftyPol by a literal who is somehow proof that there is a subversive plot.

I bet you think the Yellowstone HAPPEBING threads are real.

>>128354627
Better dead than Red. Saged and hidden.

It's an interesting movement and been around as long as Marxism and Fascism has. Stalin had Nazbol advisers and communist Romania adopted some Nazbol policies. Today the closest to it is probably North Korea. So take that as you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUsUDAE1gg

>>128361385
>North Korea
>has no Jew controlled central bank
>doesn't recognise Israel
>has international sanctions

Rlly makes you think.

>>128355413
>converting people to Marxism by exposing them to nationalistic third-position ideologies

Great plan

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you people are the absolute worst....fuck off cunt

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>>128354627
Aren't they just closet commies?

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>>128354627
NazBols are some of the most redpilled of all nationalists. Along with Strasserites.

>>128360140
hi leftypol

>>128354627
Even strasserism is less retarded. We can use such ideologies to convert already commie brainwashed normies. You'd be an idiot to actually believe that crap though.

>>128364382
Nazbol and Strasserism are almost the same really. Especially since around Stalin the Nazbols started studying Strasser's works and adopting it while Hitler was purging Strasserism from NSDAP.

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>>128364382
>Even strasserism is less retarded.
I think you mean more enlightened.

kill yourself

>>128363818
How is nazbol different from strasserism? Serious question.

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Fuck off, you wannabe strasserist shits.

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>>128365700
Hows all that (((capitalism))) working out for you Hans? It's no coincidence that people born in Eastern Germany are more patriotic.
>>128366055
NazBol demands the complete nationalization of industry and represents more of a Stalinist like state.
Strasserism also demands a degree of nationalization except for the fact that markets aren't eliminated, and workers own 51% of industry, while bosses own the other 49%. The only market Strasser wanted to eliminate was the (((stock market))), he wasn't interested in eliminating consumer markets. Businesses would be organized into guilds which would have representatives form a great council which would elect a monarch/president for life.

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>>128361385
Duginism is closer, desu.

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Unironic NazBol reporting.

I'm not even really a nationalist. Just socialist with totalitarian and social Darwinist characteristics.

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>>128367239
I'm a Strasserist but I own a nazbol flag for the memes.

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>>128367390
NazBol gang confirmed meme queens of 2017.

NazBols and Strasserists of /pol/:

Why do you believe what you do?

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>>128367929
We woke up to the fact that capitalism is degenerate and destroys the nation. Then we woke up to the fact that communism is degenerate and destroys the nation so we took our own approach to politics.

>>128368207
>communism is degenerate and destroys the nation
But why?

>>128354627
Why does this thread exist. Haven't you tards figured out your shit doesn't work. Ya'll are the Scientologists of the economic world.

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>>128354627
>National Socialism and Bolshevism combined

>>128368393
Look at literally every former communist country.

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>>128368393
It's less degenerate than capitalism by a milestone but Marx wanted an international system free of borders, even if he was redpilled on the Jews. I don't have a major problem with the economics of communism. I have more of a problem with the internationalism inherent in the ideology. NazBols took the best parts of communism and abandoned the shit parts.

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>>128368505
>your shit doesn't work
I can't hear you from space.

>>128368207
This.

Capitalism and communism - different sides of the same shekel.

>>128368207
>capitalism is degenerate and destroys the nation
>the voluntary exchange of goods and services is degenerate

Heaven forbid I trade someone a tomato for a cucumber and commit degeneracy, guys

>>128369002
Markets aren't inherent to capitalism. They're only inherent to capitalism in it's libertarian ideal.

>>128368680
Precisely, they're shit because they're FORMER communist.

>>128368733
Internationalism is a good idea tbqh.
NazBol should aim to be globalist and just replace lesser people with quality people. No point letting all that quality land go to waste.

Nationhood is a spook.

>>128369002
The National Socialists obviously wouldn't have had a problem with exchanging a fucking tomato for a cucumber.

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>>128369002
>trade is exclusive to capitalism

>>128363371
It was a failed attempt to mix extreme right with extreme left, there was nazi skinheads in natzbols too somehow.

Limonov also got arrested trying to smuggle weapons into Kazakhstan to try a coup

>>128354627
Since I know he'd be drawn to this thread like a moth to a flame, I just want to tell 90skid/4chad that I'm gonna slap your shit and take your girl.

>>128369163
You're going to suggest that a state owns the market or something similarly socialistic, as if the state ever acts in accordance with the wants of the people it governs, and I'm going to call you a statist that needs an investment of ammunition

You thieves make me fucking sick. Trying to dress up your statist bullshit in NatSoc imagery isn't going to work on us capitalists. Take your "but it wasn't REAL communism, I have communism that works for real!" nonsense and fuck off

>>128369294
>Internationalism is a good idea tbqh.
I'm curious as to what your definition of internationalism is to think it's a good thing.

>>128369873
Read my posts before making mindless assumptions you retarded lolberg:
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>>128369873
I think what anon was about to point out is that there's such a thing as market socialism, that being a system where workplaces are democratically controlled by the workforce and their produce is distributed via market economics.

>Trying to dress up your statist bullshit in NatSoc imagery isn't going to work on us capitalists.
Of course it's not, self-described "capitalists" are either rich (and thus can never be divorced from their material self-interest) or stupid.

>>128369932
Well, the global co-operation and/or integration of nations.

e.g European integration into a pan-continental state.

>>128369835
Just try it. See what happens baby. :)

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>>128370391
Both Mosley and Strasser advocated a European confederation based upon National Syndicalism but I wouldn't really call that "internationalist" since states would still have borders and self determination. Spreading revolutions isn't a bad thing in and of itself. The problem with communism is that it sees all workers as inherently "the same" based simply off of a class interest. I agree that a class interest is there but I don't think anyone is going to ever convince me that a worker in the 3rd world who can't even read or write has the same needs as a worker in the 1st world living a somewhat bourgeois lifestyle despite not technically being bourgeois.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqG2lAojNQ
https://www.oswaldmosley.com/european-socialism/

>>128371026
Hmmmm.... I think just a more rational approach to European Identity would be ideal.

>>128371328
What alternatives would you suggest?

>>128371641
Just being calm and collected. We can't keep pursuing this "white people are the best" type of bullshit. If you want to prevent the extinction of whites, you're going to have to show respect towards other races and the joining of hands.

>>128371026
This is the thing. In my example I'm citing a unitary European state, not a confederation.

>I agree that a class interest is there but I don't think anyone is going to ever convince me that a worker in the 3rd world who can't even read or write has the same needs as a worker in the 1st world living a somewhat bourgeois lifestyle despite not technically being bourgeois.
I don't necessarily disagree. My point about globalism being good isn't suggesting that we should have solidarity with and support third world proletariat, it's that we should colonize their continents and exterminate them to make way for a more productive planet.

>>128369294
Equality is a spook. Language is a spook. Take your theoretical equivalent of "le social construct" and shove it up your ass.

Also, internationalism is not different from imperialism. They're synonyms with positive and negative connotations ala confidence and arrogance.

>>128372036
>Equality is a spook
Yes.
>Language is a spook
???
I guess it could be. Normally it's more like a tool.

>internationalism is not different from imperialism.
And?
They're both good I think.

>>128370902
>tfw you can't just steal people's girls by beating them anymore because girls now have an actual choice in who they go out with and won't like you if you beat up their boyfriends
Why even live, I want to go back to the cave days.

>>128371909
Eh, I'm not really suggesting that approach. I think Europa could be united under something different than the (((European Union))) while still maintaining peace with the rest of the world. I'm in favor of peaceful separation, not extermination.
>>128371941
>This is the thing. In my example I'm citing a unitary European state, not a confederation.
That's pan Europeanism tho. Not Marxian internationalism.
>I don't necessarily disagree. My point about globalism
Globalism is just the capitalist version of Marxian internationalism. Although I don't want to argue semantics so I get where you're going with this.
>being good isn't suggesting that we should have solidarity with and support third world proletariat, it's that we should colonize their continents and exterminate them to make way for a more productive planet.
idk how colonizing them shows solidarity with them lol. Unless what you wrote was a typo. With that said, we can have peace without "solidarity". We don't need to shit on them every chance we get but we should get too close to them for we wouldn't want them immigrating to our nations.

>>128372751
Shouldn't get too close to them*

>>128372542
Btw /pol/ when I've kicked people's asses in the past I've had a lot of weird coalburner/drug addict/black girl types that cling on to me. Should I just give in and actually fuck them to not be a virgin anymore or should I wait for a semi respectable person?

>>128371941
>it's that we should colonize their continents and exterminate them

Hitler would be very disappointed that not only would you think that his Regime did that, but that you would combine Nazism with extermination and actually advocate mass genocide. Don't be a shame to National Socialism.

>>128372751
>That's pan Europeanism tho. Not Marxian internationalism.
I understand. I'm not promoting Marxist internationalism, I'm promoting an internationalism of sorts.

>. With that said, we can have peace without "solidarity".
This is the thing, I don't want peace and as I said I don't want solidarity. I want all the inferior people of the world to be wiped out and replaced. "Peace" is not what's important.

We needn't worry about them immigrating when they're all dead.

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>>128373561
Hitler was a bitch who got his shit pushed in by a stronger nation.

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>>128373650
>I understand. I'm not promoting Marxist internationalism, I'm promoting an internationalism of sorts.
>This is the thing, I don't want peace and as I said I don't want solidarity. I want all the inferior people of the world to be wiped out and replaced. "Peace" is not what's important.
>We needn't worry about them immigrating when they're all dead.
Well, when you put it this way it doesn't sound as bad, although I'll never be an internationalist and I believe in self determination at least your variant on it would preserve the white race.

>>128354627
If I had time I'd post unlce adolf's volkischer beobachter article BTFO goebbels for suporting natbol

>>128374161
> at least your variant on it would preserve the white race.
Honestly it wouldn't, personally I think we should all be mixed into one Judeo-Eurasian super-master race.

>>128374323
>including kikes
Why?

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>>128354627

>>128373869
He was completely outnumbered. Trust me, if the war was just between the Germans and the Russians, you know who would have won.

>>128374422
Jews clearly are strong. This much is evident by the fact that they absolutely dominate the planet.

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>>128374746
They engage in nepotism though, that's part of the reason they're so powerful. Not to mention, kikes make up a good portion of the (((capitalist class))). Eliminating the capitalist in many ways means eliminating the kike.

>leftypol fabricated discussion
most pathetic piece of shit thread on /pol/ at the moment

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>>128374944
/leftypol/ hates Strasserites and NazBols.

>>128374548
>He was completely outnumbered
At the beginning of Operation Barbarossa the Axis had like a million more troops than the USSR did.

Notice how I also said "Axis forces", on the Eastern front the USSR was defending itself from virtually every Axis aligned nation in Europe at once.

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>>128374921
Ethno-centrism is the winning strategy. That's why kikes promote ingroup favouritism while promoting humanitarianism for goys.

http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

>>128374921
Oh my god extermination was not an agenda by the National Socialists. Get that out of your goddamn head.

>>128375275
>That's why kikes promote ingroup favouritism
*for themselves.

>>128374921
If all they're good at is lying and cheating then those are still nonetheless strengths. It's not like we won't need to lie and cheat in the future or that nature has any concept of morality.

>>128375275
True.
>>128375295
I literally never said that. I was proposing my own solutions. Not to mention, I don't even advocate extermination for Jews who aren't part of the monied elites. They can be sent back to Israel. As I've stated, I'm in favor of peaceful separation.

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>>128375501
Honor is an important virtue in any collectivist society. We need to impart these values on to our people, instead of promoting lying and cheating. If you promote the latter, there's nothing stopping it from happening within your own government leading to rampant corruption.

>>128375522
Wunderbar my friend. I see the Jews as spiritual guides so try not to advocate an "extermination" of the Elites. We've got to remember to treat this situation with a lot of sensitivity. Take them out of power, obviously, but make sure Jews feel welcomed in certain places of the world. They're not bad people.

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>>128354627
ethno-socialism is human nature, marxist socialism is not natural

>>128375986
>I see the Jews as spiritual guides
I wouldn't really go that far desu.
>so try not to advocate an "extermination" of the Elites.
The power brokers that have hijacked the nations of the world will never give up their power willingly. They need to be put up against the wall.
>but make sure Jews feel welcomed in certain places of the world.
They can go to Israel. I just don't want them in my country. I'd also advocate a return to the 1967 borders so that the Palestinians have a place as well.
>They're not bad people.
Depends on the Jew but I think their culture is fucked and too heavily steeped in greed and corruption.

>>128375871
>Honor is an important virtue in any collectivist society.
I don't think we should be collectivist. The main reason I like communism is because I think concepts like commercial property are a barrier to true individualism and social Darwinism.

We should all be born into a level playing field where the only way to get ahead is through your own inherent strengths, talents and cunning. Not through property, money, inheritance or any other kind of socially constructed institution. If you truly are the best you should be able to prosper without that kind of advantage because strength is self-evident.

The whole goal of my kind of system is cultivating the best quality individuals possible in the highest volumes possible through breeding and socialization. Things like capitalism, nationhood, religion and good/evil are barriers to this.

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>>128376890
>I don't think we should be collectivist. The main reason I like communism is because I think concepts like commercial property are a barrier to true individualism and social Darwinism.
Collectivism can be social, economic, or both. Social collectivism is more fascist in nature and deals with more metaphysical concepts such as honor, loyalty, chivalry, etc... etc... Economic collectivism is more Marxian in nature and deals with issues related to who owns the means of production. If workers collectively own the means of production it is an economically collectivist society.
>We should all be born into a level playing field where the only way to get ahead is through your own inherent strengths, talents and cunning. Not through property, money, inheritance or any other kind of socially constructed institution. If you truly are the best you should be able to prosper without that kind of advantage because strength is self-evident.
I agree, inheritance is cancer. I also advocate economic meritocracy through a guild system in which guilds train perspective students in their trade and set them up with a job within a cooperative.
>The whole goal of my kind of system is cultivating the best quality individuals possible in the highest volumes possible through breeding and socialization. Things like capitalism, nationhood, religion and good/evil are barriers to this.
I agree with your point about capitalism but not about nationhood or morality. From a pragmatic point of view you're not going to get anywhere by telling the workers you want to tear down their nation and replace it with something entirely foreign to them.

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>>128376628
The Jews won't all be forced to move back to Israel. They're good helpers, they help us with stuff, we help them with stuff, and I don't mean greed, I mean gaining new perspectives. I would allow them to live in europe, north america, and eastern europe as well as the middle east. Of course I would also make a rule that you can travel 3 months out of the year, so no one has to feel locked in to their country. You race-mix in Afroeurasia, you, your partner and your child will be forced to live in North or South America, or also Australia or New Zealand. That's a good plan for ethnic preservation. The problem we have to face after that is deciding how to get Native American, Australian Aboriginal, and the Maori populations to a higher count so we don't end up causing their extinction. White people have enough blood on their hands, we don't need the death of a whole race of people on our conscience as well.

>>128377531
>From a pragmatic point of view you're not going to get anywhere by telling the workers you want to tear down their nation and replace it with something entirely foreign to them.
Well that's because workers (people in general actually) are kind of stupid. There's a reason they're so absolutely brainwashed by porky.

If we're going to forget about what we actually want or think would work in favour of what would be popular we may as well just give up on everything to do with Nazism or communism and just be populist SocDems.

> I also advocate economic meritocracy through a guild system in which guilds train perspective students in their trade and set them up with a job within a cooperative.
I don't think cooperatives are suitable in an ideal system because fundamentally markets are still inefficient. Rather I think we should have a planned economy organized through communication with labour-leaders on the production end and sophisticated information technology on the consumer end.
>If workers collectively own the means of production it is an economically collectivist society.
I think it's for reasons like this that the collectivism/individualism dichotomy is a bit simplistic. There's a great deal of overlap and in some ways mutual necessity between both of them, in this instance for example in order to maximize individual independence we also need to maximize collective collaboration. Likewise on the obverse (a capitalist system) on one hand potentially a singular individual can have more control in an industry, but at the same time everyone else involved is reduced to faceless masses.

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>>128378495
Well, at least you have anti-miscegenation laws.
>>128378842
>Well that's because workers (people in general actually) are kind of stupid.
Than why do you want them to control the means of production? I won't even disagree that most people are fucking idiots but them being faithful to the nation as a concept is one of the few areas where they are right. This is because local populations have local needs that a Eurasian federal government wouldn't be able to effectively address. This is why Strasser advocated more of a decentralized European confederation headed by national monarchs or presidents put into place by proletarian councils.
>If we're going to forget about what we actually want or think would work in favour of what would be popular we may as well just give up on everything to do with Nazism or communism and just be populist SocDems.
If I only cared about popularity I wouldn't be a Strasserite. In case you haven't noticed, we aren't exactly liked on either the far right or far left even though we're slowly starting to find our place. My belief in the nation is Volkisch. i.e. localized government working best for the people of a particular nation while also maintaining a larger socio-political hierarchy without an unfair economic hierarchy.
>I don't think cooperatives are suitable in an ideal system because fundamentally markets are still inefficient. Rather I think we should have a planned economy organized through communication with labour-leaders on the production end and sophisticated information technology on the consumer end.
The evidence says otherwise. There's a reason that Yugoslavia had the highest standard of living out of any socialist nation.

>>128378842
>I think it's for reasons like this that the collectivism/individualism dichotomy is a bit simplistic. There's a great deal of overlap and in some ways mutual necessity between both of them, in this instance for example in order to maximize individual independence we also need to maximize collective collaboration. Likewise on the obverse (a capitalist system) on one hand potentially a singular individual can have more control in an industry, but at the same time everyone else involved is reduced to faceless masses.
Fair enough.

>>128355413
leftypol hates nazbol's. They make them super butthurt

one tard sperging out doesn't change this, i often use the nazbol flag when i feel like triggering them

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>>128379410
I gotta admit, this one made me kek.

>>128380209
>Than why do you want them to control the means of production?
Well because even a stupid person knows how to do their own job better than anyone else. Even if you're literally retarded your knowledge of your own experiences at work are valuable to making that industry more efficient. And as said earlier part of it isn't just wanting workers to control the means of production but also not wanting property to well, exist, on the grounds that it's counter-productive to a social Darwinist society.
>If I only cared about popularity I wouldn't be a Strasserite
That's precisely my point. I'm pointing out that it's hypocritical on your part to make the strategic argument that total cosmopolitan internationalism isn't going to be popular with somewhat nationalist workers whilst otherwise still advocating for extremely radical and unpopular politics.

You must acknowledge then that we don't advocate for things because they will be popular, we advocate for things because we believe in them.
>The evidence says otherwise.
I don't disagree, a centrally planned economy is retarded. But a decentralized CyberSyn like system is a different beast altogether.

In any case it's 5AM in the UK so I'm going to have to go.

>>128381436
>Well because even a stupid person knows how to do their own job better than anyone else. Even if you're literally retarded your knowledge of your own experiences at work are valuable to making that industry more efficient. And as said earlier part of it isn't just wanting workers to control the means of production but also not wanting property to well, exist, on the grounds that it's counter-productive to a social Darwinist society.
Well, if someone has the ability to learn than I wouldn't consider them necessarily stupid. A stupid person doesn't have the ability to learn even the simplest tasks.
>That's precisely my point. I'm pointing out that it's hypocritical on your part to make the strategic argument that total cosmopolitan internationalism isn't going to be popular with somewhat nationalist workers whilst otherwise still advocating for extremely radical and unpopular politics.
>You must acknowledge then that we don't advocate for things because they will be popular, we advocate for things because we believe in them.
I already covered that though. I sincerely believe in nationalism as it best addresses the needs of localized populations.
>I don't disagree, a centrally planned economy is retarded. But a decentralized CyberSyn like system is a different beast altogether.
>CyberSyn
I've never heard this terminology.
>In any case it's 5AM in the UK so I'm going to have to go.
Alright.

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>>128354627
Here is a flag for ya comrade

>>128354627
Why is /leftypol/ raiding so much all of a sudden?
Also Nazbol just turns commies from your board into center lefts. You lose we win basically since natbol evolves straight into natsoc.

>>128381436
Are you that dude from the gobbudism general from earlier? Without the proxy?
It was painfully obvious he wasn't America. Or you. Not sure.

kys commie faggot

>>128383110
/leftypol/ bans Strasserists and Nazbols:
>>128375087