Should we pump more money into sending humans to mars?

>>128319698

Nope, lets just keep pumping money into feeding niggers.

>>128320524
so you agree

>>128319698
Yes, Germany start your mars program, soon you are going to run out of space with all these refugees coming in, you will need more lands.

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>>128319698
No. There is no point in going to Mars, other than to be able to say that we've been there, and done that.

>>128321234
Just imagine new world without jews...

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>>128319698
Yes, we should have colonized it by now.

>>128319698
People are never going to live on the moon, mars or whatever.

All those missions from the past and future are indeed very impressive but aside from the knowledge and the non-stick-pan it's a waste of money.

>>128321727
You don't know that

>>128321938
Those planets are not sustainable for living. We will always need supplies from the earth.

>>128319698
only if no niggers go to mars

>>128319698
we should pump more money sending humans to concentration camps instead

if elon musk was so goddam smart he'd stop wasting time with rockets and build the space elevator

>>128319698
>we
the only thing you're pumping is Achmed's cum out of your mother's puss

>>128322177
They have lots of different material it is just a question of technology to make living on mars self sustainable.

>>128319698

The one on the right should be titles "Muh Dick", with a picture of your dick.

>>128321938
Anon is right
>>128322177
Colonizing a planet will never happen. There might be a lab or some temporary habitants but we will not be able to have independent colonies.

>>128320524
>>128320894
>>128322304
>not sending all of the shitskins, niggers and kikes to an uninhabitable planet
The world would be so much better then.

>>128319698
FUCK YEAH WE SHOULD

anyone who says otherwise is a faggot

>>128319698
No we should pump money into sending niggers to the sun

Hell we can even convince them they are immune to any danger WE WUZ STARS And sheeeit

cmon

>>128322478
the space elevator is a meme

>>128323815
t. cointelpro

I wonder if the Mars thing is a meme. Think about it /pol/ Have the goys get mars started, only the elites go to mars after it is established. Chemical weapons all over Earth. Wait for all the goys to be dead, have two planets now! Oy Vey!

>>128324000
it's a sci fi concept that doesnt make any sense

>>128319698
yea, only whites though

we need a white utopia

the earth is lost

>>128319698
No, what's the point? Just a prestige project. There are plenty of things to fix on earth.

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>>128319698
no, we should pump money back into my bank account because the government already takes enough of my money as it is

>>128324625
nothing to fix here

earth will be full of afrians and shitskins in a few generations

its over

>but muh racewar

no, nothing will happen

just a slow death, we need to gtfo here

>>128324625
retarded argument since there will always be shit to fix on earth

>>128324832
mars or the moon will never be habitable. "we" aren't going anywhere and you know it.

>>128324997
you're going to need to watch your spending now that you are the leaders of the free world you're going to be needing to give a lot of it away to poorer countries

>>128324832
Well, there's no way of making a self sustaining Mars colony in just a few generations anyway. So might as well try to fix things here after all.

>>128322177

We could literally terraform mars and venus with our current levels of technology.

>>128325170
i know, but germany hasn't done jack shit to spaceflight anyway except for giving birth to wernher von braun.

save us.

>>128324997
Sure, but right now there is a LOT of things wrong with society. And not just the migrants or even the moral decline of the west.
And that was just half of my point. What's the benefit of pumping money into a Mars colony?

>>128325264
venus is probably best bet long term and we need to start thinking about it soon as muslims are slowly taking over the west, it might be too late if we wait

>>128319698
Oh, goddammit. I missed the launch today at 5PM because I was taking a nap. The next one from SpaceX isn't for another week and a half :/

>>128324523
It does make sense, but it requires making the biggest cable ever made out of carbon nanotube from the surface to a geostationary platform which alone makes it impractical.

No, humans must first colonize anctartica.

>>128325264
Lolno we couldn't.

>>128319698
only if it's all jews.

>>128326270

http://www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/TerraformingVenusQuickly.pdf

>>128325718
1. Ensuring the survival of our species
2. Improving the quality of life on Earth
3. Growing as a species
5. Demonstrating political and economic leadership

In my opinion, there is no more convincing way to demonstrate American leadership for the remainder of this century than to commit to a permanent presence on Mars. It will bring the country toghether in a great adventure and the west can further isolate itself.

>>128321727
>>128321938
>>128322177
Nonsense. Just watch *all* the videos from My Favorite Autist. (His Fermi Paradox videos are top tier)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zaIy1TARPE&index=4&list=PLIIOUpOge0LufQYxcfYVqcVQOFOHFynMl

>>128326164
This, we can't even colonize Antarctica, we're not going to colonize any other celestial body anytime soon.

>>128319698
send all the niggers there
its a one way ticket

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>>128326556
That would be pricey. We would need a space elevator or launch loop first

>>128326715
its worth every penny

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>>128319698
I think we should pump more money into healthcare.

Pic unrelated.

>>128322177
If it has sunlight, it's colonizable. Even Venus' upper armoshphere is suitable for colonization.

>>128326865
A launch loop could be done for a few hundred billion, and then sending nigs on one way trips into the sun would be hella cheap. Doing it with rockets isn't feasible.

>>128326433
>dude we can totally like, do planetary engineering and shit
This is a nice theoretical paper and a nice thought experiment, but nothing more.
It's like you are not realizing the scale of all this shit.

>>128326535
why on earth would anyone want to colonize antarctica?

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>>128327259
atmosphere*

>>128325718
>What's the benefit of pumping money into a Mars colony?
It represents getting some of our eggs out of the one basket they're currently in.

>>128325264
>>128326090

venus is far, far too hot and will only get hotter, plus it doesn't spin fast enough and the atmosphere is way too thick

>>128319698
b-but muh wall

>>128327349
>everything has to work immediately or else it's bullshit

with that logic evolution is a hoax. we do have the technology, we're doing it on earth already. All you need to do is pollute the atmosphere with greenhouse gasses and blow up the poles with nukes. we could get pretty damn far in a couple hundret years, and that's nothing to scale

>>128327363
Because it's land that is right there, and infinitely more livable than any other planet.
Picture this: we cant even have self sustainable settlements there and you niggers want to terraform Venus and Mars right now.
It's hilarious.

>>128328045
you didn't answer the question.
>why?

>>128326090
Biggest problem with venus is that it doesn't have any hydrogen, like none at all, unlike Mars which still has a lot of water trapped underground. Once you find out how to transfer large amounts of hydrogen between planets you might have a shot at actually terraforming the damn thing.

>>128327780
>non sequitur followed by nonsense
It's like cavemen arguing that they could raze the himalayas because they invented the shovel.

>>128326486
1. Only if the Mars colony can become 100% self sustainable. Considering the risk of our extinction and the cost it would take to do that it's not worth it, not even close. In fact, i doubt it's even possible to have a truly self sustaining colony without terraforming, wich is impossible unfortunatly.
2. By pumping money into a black hole into space? That would do the opposite of improving life here.
3. Means nothing. Sounds like lefty talk.
4. You skipped it.
5. Means close to nothing. People would be slightly impressed, but at the end of the day it's the most inneficient way of demonstrating leadership. You probably don't quite comprehend the cost of this project, and that people care more about palpable things than some abstract idea. It would only demonstrate a lack of touch with reality.

>>128327349

You didn't even read it, Achmed.

>>128327780

We don't have the tech to remove most of venus's atmosphere, make it spin faster, or physically move it farther from the fucking sun

>>128328361
I never said it should be done, i'm saying that it makes a lot more sense than colonizing another planet.

>>128322801
Don't even send them to a planet. Do a Hitchhiker's Guide and just put them in a ship, point it in a direction blast off and forget about it.

no we literally already know that most of our solar system is useless, especially mars

fuck mars

just go to europa and drill into the ocean

or send a probe to alpha centauri

>>128328858
I skimmed over it Tyrone. I was already laughing my ass off when it was suggested to builda geostationary mirror that could cover half the planet or so.

>>128328528
Mars has it's own problems, like the lack of a stong magnetosphere which allows solar wind to strip anything but trace atmosphere from the planet. Underground habitation is totally legit though and probably quite sustainable in the polar regions once we have workable fusion tech

>>128329974
You don't need fusion when fission is lighter and cheaper and easier to maintain

>>128329876

You have to go back, Achmed.

>>128329974

All a lack of magnetosphere means is that terraforming will require maintenance.

It's not like the solar wind strips away the entire atmosphere overnight.

>>128330375
>waaaah why don't they take me seriously
Fucking nigger.

Only if proposed inhabitants will be rapefugees, assorted African "migrants" and the screaming hoarde of "not my pussy" hairy orcas.

>>128329974
Lack of magnetosphere is a problem, but only on the very long term; we're talking about geological times here, it took hundred of million years for the atmosphere to get stripped away after the magnetosphere died out. Any atmosphere we'd manage to recreate through terraforming will last more than enough time for us.

>>128330741

Yes, because I give two shits if some bronze age monkey takes me seriously.

>>128330540
Artificial magnetospheres can also be built

>>128330910
I'm sure shit-flinging is a very popular pasttime of yours, Laquisha Tyrone.

>>128330230
Fission comes with the issues of waste disposal and actually extracting fuel in situ, one of which is easy to solve on a dead world. With fusion there's greater sustainability for the inevitably small first colonies.

>>128330540
>>128330846

While true, there's also the issue of heavy radiation doses, again due to the lack of any sort of natural shielding such as a magnetosphere. I'm not arguing against the possibility of eventual terraforming, more on the practicality of starting out with nothing but that in mind instead of building up slowly towards that.

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>>128326672
And today burgers landed a 12th Falcon9 rocket.

if we're gonna colonize anywhere other than earth its not gonna come about from discussions between brain dead shut-ins on /pol/

>>128319698
Yes. One of the few things I really support.
We need to colonize this whole solar system before the Chinks do.

>>128331245
The bulk of solar radiation on earth is stopped by the atmosphere, not the magnetosphere itself (it still contributes to a lesser extent) on a terraformed Mars the background radiation would still be higher than on earth, but way less of an issue than it is now.

>>128331245
Fusion also has waste disposal problems, as the entire reactor pressure vessel gets bombarded with neutrons and remains radioactive for centuries as a result.

We can build fission reactors today that don't need to be refueled for 30 years. These can literally just be buried in the sand at the end of their useful life.

what if we make a really tall prison building which extends into space, and move all niggers into the skyrise? does anyone work with a malt liquor company? we need bait

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>>128319698
Nah. We need even more welfare and diversity. To fuel the spic-nig cycle.

Space is dumb and only nerds want to go there.

>>128327780
>All you need to do is pollute the atmosphere with greenhouse gasses and blow up the poles with nukes
You got a plan to increase the mass too? Because that atmosphere will just blow away again.

>>128321938
Mars is shit. It's like living on Sahara - what's the fucking point. Maybe Venus would be better. The whole thing is covered in fuel. You could use that to cool down some enclave. Also power of the Sun is way bigger there. Or maybe some Jewpiter/Saturn moons.

we have robots on mars. just keep sending more fucking robots. there's no point in sending people there.

>>128319698
earth is fucked. lets start over on mars.
let show them who the real colonizers are.

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>>128332822
It will remain there for millions of years the erosion is on geological scale.

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>>128332822
Mars gravity isn't an issue for atmospheric retention. Pic related.

>>128326556
>>128326715
What about giant trebuchet? Should be cheaper.

>>128333118
>Mars is shit. It's like living on Sahara - what's the fucking point.
It's a different planet.
That's the entire point.

>>128320894
Betreib: Lebensraum Zwei.

>>128333748
The acceleration would turn humans into jelly

>>128333879
I mean for habitation not some shitty experimental base.

>>128334053
exactly

>>128333748
>>128334053
Oh, wait. That'd be a desirable outcome

>>128333617
No. But the lack of an iron core is.

>>128319698
No bigger bombs please, they make problems with knifes already.

>>128319698
Ur mums dildo XD can i get a upboat!?

*EDIT: Thanks for the gold!*

>>128334279
See >>128330846

>>128319698
It's not feasible to send 5 billion useless humans to Mars, so no.

>>128321338
I don't see you colonizing Antarctica, and it's more habitable than Mars is.

>>128334425
what are you talking about, dude? What's upboat?

>>128319698
Yes, and leave sand people behind. Only whites allowed, no Portuguese

>>128331248
Thank you greatest ally for this image.

>>128322959
>No we should pump money into sending niggers to the sun

Venus is closer and good enough.

>>128335633
It's a bit like updog.

>>128319698

No.

Mars is worthless and so is space colonization.

>>128327780
>oh look. It's another plebbitor who thinks scientific progress is just some fairy that waves it's magic wand and improves everything
It's amazing how you find so few people who think like this is actual STEM fields and so many who are frequently NEETs with stark trek pipedreams they like masturbate themselves to

>>128331248
Polish butthurt will never disappoint

>>128329366
>>128322801
You can't even fathom the enormity of the costs of large group space travel across long distances. There are easier ways

>>128331248
Half of this took off on Russian engines

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>>128329586
This. Alpha Centauri or bust.

>>128337089
>Mars is worthless and so is space colonization.
Why do you think that?

>>128325264
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH REALLY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>128336771
Whats that?

>>128326502
I love futurist Elmer Fudd.

His Upward Bound and Megastructures series are also top tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc8_AuzeYKE

>>128319698
No. We should spend more money to send subhumans out of Europe cuckhans.

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>>128334053
thats part of the plan

>>128329586
>most of our solar system is useless
It is?

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>>128338568
0. No Opinion
1. likely within 50 years
2. likely within 500 years
3. likely within 5000 years
4. likely to happen for humans eventually
5. unlikely to happen for humans
6. < 1% likely to ever happen, or impossible

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>>128340461

>>128340458
Completely.

>>128340867
What do your feelings tell you makes something useful?

>>128322622
Doesn't need to be self sustainable. Let trade flow between mars and earth.

>>128341233
Income output being greater than income input.

yes there's a lot of stuff in space. But we cannot get any of it for a cost that is less than what the material is worth pound for pound.

We would need new physics for that, which is industry jargon for "don't hold your breath".

>>128339342
Only New Horizons and MER took off on Rd180 and DeltaIV would be able to push the same C3.
AtlasV is just cheaper and a better rocket but Russian engines are enjoying their long superiority over everything else in booster department.
I give credit where credit is due and you make damn fine engines in Samara but that is little compared with how vast US planetary exploration was for the past decades and the coming US made engines like Raptor with 30MPa of chamber presure will blow past everything else and current merlin might be a better but simpler brute force approach to booster design+ RS25 is superior ot Russian hydrolox but US never developed hydrocarbon engines after Apollo H1 and Russia did with RD171

>>128341523

Trade what? There is nothing you could trade that would offset the shipping cost.

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>>128341523
0. No Opinion
1. likely within 50 years
2. likely within 500 years
3. likely within 5000 years
4. likely to happen for humans eventually
5. unlikely to happen for humans
6. < 1% likely to ever happen, or impossible

>>128341621
You're assuming it's meant to be brought back to Earth. That's a rather narrow mindset.

How about using materials in space for construction of things we need in space? It might not be worth it pound for pound relative to materials on earth, but what about materials in low earth orbit? What about on the lunar surface? What about on and around the Jovian moons? Humans already have a clear interest in space and go to great lengths because of it. The establishment of a space infrastructure would expand human capabilities in space.

>>128319698
No
That's where the space nazis are hiding

absolutely not while there's still jews and nonwhites who will fuck everything up for humanity. we cant get started on conquering the galaxy when we cant even conquer the earth

>>128339314
>Long distance
It just needs to escape Earth's gravity

>>128326139
Not if we discover how to manipulate gravity

>>128342640
>You're assuming it's meant to be brought back to Earth. That's a rather narrow mindset.
Because people on earth are paying for it and expect a return on their investment in their lifetimes. Your quaint notion that people would do it for free is the narrow one.

>things we need in space?
We don't need things in space.

>but what about materials in low earth orbit?
Cart before the horse.

>What about on the lunar surface?
The moondust makes that ludicrously expensive.

>What about on and around the Jovian moons?
Too much radiation for a reasonable crew rotation schedule.

>Humans already have a clear interest in space and go to great lengths because of it.
Not since we invented the ICBM.

>The establishment of a space infrastructure would expand human capabilities in space.
To do absolutely nothing of practical value. Go ahead. Tell me the economic activity that a space colony can do that pays for its enormous upkeep. Tell me what the people living there do that pays for their enormous living and travel expenses. I'd love to know, thousands of other physics students have been trying to think one up for the last century.

>>128327259
The Venusian atmosphere would be well suited for a floating city, its dense and hot enough. At the upper regions it would be cool enough that climate control in the closed structures would be simple. It's perfectly feasible

>>128343548
You're not using the terms correctly. You mean it just needs to go fast enough to leave earth orbit? What? You'd have to go approximately 4.8 billion light years to "escape earth's gravity".

>>128345058
>Cowboy Bebop was a documentary.

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>>128319698
Definetively, the goal of humanity is to survive and at one Point our sun will explode and kill us all and before that happens we will have to get one or more planets for us. But to have this happen we will Need to killl alll Globalists and make circumstances in each country and their borders acceptable for everyone, so that we won't Forget our ancestry and never become mixed human balls who fuck everyones ass singing kumbaja. We Need to destroy the UN and replace it with a human coorperation for survival and galactic interferes, dedicated to keeping humanity alive and discovering space, with an oath not to commit or participate in corrupt acts. Then we shall conquer the universe as good as we can.

>>128319698
When I first looked at this picture, I legit thought they were all sonic screwdrivers from Doctor Who. I seriously need to get out more.

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>>128319698
>Should we pump more money into sending humans to mars?

Build the damn space elevator.

>>128344968
>Because people on earth are paying for it and expect a return on their investment in their lifetimes. Your quaint notion that people would do it for free is the narrow one.
Do you believe that monetary value is the only kind of value people appreciate? Why do people invest in hobbies? Why do people have children?

Astronomers will want an observatory on the far side of the moon. SETI will want a drill site on Europa. There is still a lot of data to be collected.

>We don't need things in space.
What is the ISS? What is the Hubble telescope? What are GPS satellites? What are spy satellites? What about satellites that collect Earth science data? What about satellites that monitor solar activity?

>Too much radiation for a reasonable crew rotation schedule.
>crew
Again, you have a narrow, infantile mindset

>Tell me what the people living there do that pays for their enormous living and travel expenses.
Work that saves more money in the long term than lifting material out of Earth's gravity well through its atmosphere every time something needs to be done.

>>128347642
>Do you believe that monetary value is the only kind of value people appreciate?
When they have to spend money to get it, typically yes. Would you pay 500 dollars for a standard video game?

>Why do people invest in hobbies?
They get something out of the experience, and most people's hobbies barely cost anything.

>Why do people have children?
Lack of discipline in the vast majority of cases.

>Astronomers will want an observatory on the far side of the moon
No they don't it won't provide any benefit especially when there will be dust clinging to the lens and every inch of the machinery and ruining the equipment.

>SETI will want a drill site on Europa
Lol SETI is worthless and doesn't want that either way.

>There is still a lot of data to be collected.
That's not a statement you can make because it would require you to know all of the data that can possibly exist.

>What is the ISS?
A waste of money.

>What is the Hubble telescope?
A waste of money.

>What are GPS satellites? What are spy satellites? What about satellites that collect Earth science data?
The only market for space launch vehicles which is why so few companies bother to make them.

>What about satellites that monitor solar activity?
A waste of money because we can't afford to refurbish the grid to better protect against solar storms either way.

>Again, you have a narrow, infantile mindset
No need to be a cunt just because you've no arguments or opinions of your own. What the fuck is worth gathering in the jovian system?

>Work that saves more money in the long term than lifting material out of Earth's gravity well through its atmosphere every time something needs to be done.
Which we have no use for because you still haven't given us a reason to have a large amount of infrastructure in space.

Do you honestly think that people just build towns wherever? People only build towns when there is something to profit off of in the area. There is nothing to profit off of in space.

>>128331248
>Keck observatory
Jesus that's good

>>128349606
>A waste of money
Didn't you say people wouldn't spend money on something if it was a waste of money? Was the notion of such a thing not quaint?

>What the fuck is worth gathering in the jovian system?
It's like you're trying to not understand. Did I say we would be gathering physical materials in the Jovian system or did I talk about the difference in value between material gathered in space and sent to the Jovian system and material gathered on Earth and sent into space, then sent to the Jovian sytem? Let's check.
> It might not be worth it pound for pound relative to materials on earth, but what about materials in low earth orbit? What about on the lunar surface? What about on and around the Jovian moons?
Oh boy, you might be retarded.

>>128350846
>Didn't you say people wouldn't spend money on something if it was a waste of money?
No i said that people won't spend money on things if they don't get something in return of equal value to them.

>Oh boy, you might be retarded.
Not my fault you lack reading comprehension. I've said multiple times that you are putting the cart before the horse. Extraction and manufacturing of resources will cost magnitudes more than just shipping the stuff up from earth. Even if we get materials from asteroids what are we doing with the ships that we make that covers their cost? What in space is worth several hundred trillion dollars to a terrestrial investor that will not live long enough to see ANY return on their investment?

>>128349606
>That's not a statement you can make because it would require you to know all of the data that can possibly exist.
Holy fuck, you really are retarded. Suppose there is a box. You don't know what's in it. You don't know the mass of the box because you didn't measure it. You don't know the dimensions because you didn't measure it. Someone suggests that there is still data you can gather about the box. You're response is
>That's not a statement you can make because it would require you to know all of the data that can possibly exist.

>>128351710
>No i said that people won't spend money on things if they don't get something in return of equal value to them.
Did they get something in return of equal value for the hubble telescope or the ISS? If the answer is no, your statement is false. If the answer is yes, your claim that it was a waste of money is false.

>>128319698
Absolutely not. Cancer needs to stay on this planet.

>>128326672
>first animal
>first woman
>first robot
Who gives a shit tbqh.

>>128319698
Yes look at earth. Space colonization will be the ultimate white flight

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>>128337089
This. We need more welfare.

>>128339628
u cunt :^)

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>>128321234

That's where you're wrong nigger. NASA returns $14 to the economy for every $1 invested. Based on tax rates, the US taxpayer actually makes money by investing in NASA.

The US should shove more money into NASA completely ignoring its scientific achievements just because it makes you money.

>>128351771
>That's not a statement you can make because it would require you to know all of the data that can possibly exist.

Because you don't know how much is in the box. You're basing your arguments off ignorance alone.

>Did they get something in return of equal value for the hubble telescope or the ISS?
People don't get to choose how their taxes are spent. But the 150 billion for the ISS (which wasn't just paid for by one country, hence the "International" bit) and the equally small amount for Hubble pale in comparison to the hundreds of trillions your space infrastructure would cost.

You might as well be making comparisons between ocean travel and wading in a tidepool.

>>128353617
Which one of those technologies required an orbital laboratory?

None of them is the answer. Any other R&D lab could have and would have made them.

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>>128353900

>Any other R&D lab could have and would have made them.

They did not though.

>>128353695
>Because you don't know how much is in the box. You're basing your arguments off ignorance alone.
Isn't how much is in the box a point of data that can be collected? Isn't whether anything is in the box a point of data that can be collected? Isn't the mass of the box a point of data that can be collected? Isn't the volume of the box a point of data that can be collected? Yes, my point is that to rectify ignorance, we must look.

>hundreds of trillions
So, how are you calculating these costs, by the way?

>>128353695
>Because you don't know how much is in the box

To add to that, i can say how much is in the box because we've measured the box's dimensions and we know only so much can fit into the box and we've found approximately 90% of it but that 10% is at such high and low energies that it's simply ludicrous to think that the keys to the universe are there.

You're refuging in a god of the gaps argument.

>>128354169
>They did not though.
But nothing would have prevented them from doing it because none of the work required space.

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>>128353617
Dumping money into NASA doesn't mean going to Mars, which was the original question. Reading comprehension is your friend.

>>128354274
>Isn't how much is in the box a point of data that can be collected? Isn't whether anything is in the box a point of data that can be collected? Isn't the mass of the box a point of data that can be collected? Isn't the volume of the box a point of data that can be collected? Yes, my point is that to rectify ignorance, we must look.

See: >>128354363

while i type up a response to your second question.

>>128354363
You have shit reading comprehension. Re-read my post because you make yourself out to be yet even more of a fool.

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>>128322801
>>128339314
>>128329366
They won't need eyes where we're taking them.

>>128321475
>he doesn't know the difference between science fact and science fiction

There is nothing on Mars. Less than nothing, in fact. No atmosphere. No gravity. No oxygen. No water. No equipment. Temperatures fluctuate from lethal freezing temps to lethal hot temps. That is your starting point towards colonization.

Can we send parts of a small habitat to Mars? Sure. Can we send tools to assemble it? Sure. Can we send food, water, and power sources? Sure. Can we send three people? Sure. And doing all of that will take many years and many rocket launches. Mind you, none of that brings you any closer to colonization. For that, you need to send heavy equipment. We are talking about earth movers, mining equipment, ore processing equipment, smelteries, metal extruders, and much more. We still haven't begun to talk about the means of energy and fuel production. And we haven't talked about water.

Colonize Mars? For what purpose? At what enormous expense?

>>128326486
Couldn't agree more, although a moon colony would be easier.

>>128339314
So, just gather them up into the colony ship and have it "accidentally" crash during the launch.

>>128355091
If you agree that the box can be measured then you must accept the fact that we can say how little is remaining, which is maybe 10% of the box. And that that 10% is utterly useless because it requires extreme temperatures that we cannot practically harness in a technology.

>>128354274
>So, how are you calculating these costs, by the way?

Using the Falcon Heavy we can lift one ton into low earth orbit for $1,890,000. That's 11km/sec delta v. We then need to get it into a solar orbit to intercept the asteroid belt. That's 30km/s so we need an additional 19km/s. To intercept the asteroids which have shit gravity we need another 9km/s. Then we need another 27 km/s to get back to a low earth orbit.

So 84km/s round trip cost. Or about 8 falcon heavy launches. For one ton to get up there, turn around, and come back. Note that you cannot fit all of that delta v on one ton, not to mention all of the mining equipment and a increasing amount of fuel and engine depending on how much mass you're going to bring back.

Now i don't know how much all the mining equipment will weigh but it's going to be anywhere between 6,000 tons and 15,000 tons. The former being the weight of about 8 falcon heavies and the latter being the weight of an oil rig.

So yeah. Shitload of money. Not that you care.

>>128345239
You are incorrect about that 4.8 billion light years figure, you can never technically escape Earth's gravity, because gravity spreads at the speed of light. Of course, you can escape Earth's gravity by travelling far enough in practice, because it becomes negligible after a point, and because the ship would be more affected by the gravity of other bodies in the solar system that are heavier or closer.

>>128358601
>escape Earth's gravity
It's a misnomer. It's identical to when people say "zero gravity" when they actually mean Freefall. You have to go faster than 30km/s to enter solar orbit at the earth's altitude above the sun.

>>128358533
>If you agree that the box can be measured then you must accept the fact that we can say how little is remaining, which is maybe 10% of the box. And that that 10% is utterly useless because it requires extreme temperatures that we cannot practically harness in a technology.

I still suggest you re-read my post, because you are totally missing the point.

>round trip
Fuck, you're not paying attention to anything any more.

You are legitimately fucking retarded. I'm done with this thread lmao

>>128358533
>Or about 8 falcon heavy launches.

Meant to say "8 falcon heavy rockets fully fueled and lifted up to low earth orbit" to have the delta v to accomplish the mission.

>>128359063
>I still suggest you re-read my post, because you are totally missing the point.

Don't kid yourself. I can tell by your posts that you're a fucking shareblue shill. I posted it for the benefit of others.

>>128343548
"just"

The Soyuz, and Delta IV Heavy look like noob rockets I made when I first started playing Kerbal Space program lol.

Cheap golds and space mining = kike worse nightmare
.

>>128360218
Because they're the most efficient designs.

A pity that asparagus staging isn't possible IRL.

>>128360537
Go away shareblue. "pol hates jews so just say you hate jews and pol will think anything that anyone says against you is shareblue"

The sad thing is that it works, and you fucks always resort to japanese or polish proxies when you do it.

>>128322478
It'd be retarded to concentrate on a technology that isn't necessarily possible. The cable could only be made out of carbon nanotubes because anything else would collapse under its own weight, and we are pretty far away from manufacturing nanotubes in the quantities that would be required. And even if we had the technology, it would be a political nightmare to get other countries to agree with building a 30000 km deathwhip that would lay waste to everything in its way if it were to break. And even if you have a space elevator, you still need rockets to get to other planets, it just makes it a bit cheaper.

>>128361965
I'll add that carbon nanotubes only have the strength needed as a single molecule, so you'd need millions of them each 30,000 km long and you'd have to string them up to GEO in one launch.

>>128322478
>>128361965
Not to mention that the space elevator needs a counterweight in orbit, which could pretty much only be an asteroid, and guess what we'd need to capture an asteroid: rockets.

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>>128326672
Tell me, bydlo, who wins a race? The person who passes the finish line first, or the person that leads during the middle?

>>128362400
It doesn't need a counterweight the rotation of the earth pulls it out. It need an anchor point though and you'll be hard pressed to find a chunk of ground and material to hold it.

>>128319698
>Should we pump more money into sending humans to mars?
Only if it is the smartest and the best that make it there....which pretty much rules out blacks.

>>128319698
Not Mars, but the moons of Jupiter and various asteroids. We need resources.

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>>128344968
You're seeing the entire endeavor of space exploration through the narrow lens of immediate economic return.

>>128346429
> We Need to destroy the UN and replace it with a human coorperation for survival and galactic interferes, dedicated to keeping humanity alive and discovering space.

I like you.

>>128346429
>believing in space-shit

You're still bluepilled bro

>>128319698
yes

>>128363491
>You're seeing the entire endeavor of space exploration through the narrow lens of immediate economic return.

Also known as reality.

>>128362978
It does need a counterweight, read the wiki article, and also just think about it.

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>>128344968
>being this much of a stingy Jew

Space travel is a necessity for the continued existence of our species.

The Sun is not indefinite and even just the core of the planet cooling would kill our planet. It's what happened to mars.

Establishing interplanetary travel and life in space is the ONLY thing that will prevent our extinction.

Only some penny pinching lolbertarian nose goblin would let "muh sheckles" supersede the survival of his people.

>>128319698
as long as we don't bring cancerous shit to the next planet

>>128353041
not much dog what's up with you?

>>128319698
No. Because they will try to make Mars (((diverse))). They will make it so a nigger is the first man to step on Mars currently. Assuming it is America which lands first.

>>128322711
nonsense, once the singularity hits any predictions of what humans can do are impossible.

>>128364787
>Space travel is a necessity for the continued existence of our species.
I wish it was.

>The Sun is not indefinite and even just the core of the planet cooling would kill our planet. It's what happened to mars.
If we make it to a billion years from now we should be satisfied. Nothing lasts forever.

>Establishing interplanetary travel and life in space is the ONLY thing that will prevent our extinction.
If we spread to other planets speciation will occur and you won't be able to say that humans exist.

>Only some penny pinching lolbertarian nose goblin would let "muh sheckles" supersede the survival of his people.
I'm not the one paying for it, jackass. What of your money have you donated? Zero? Welcome to the club.

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>>128365263
u double cunt

>>128326672
First woman in space is not an accomplishment worth anything. I'll concede the rest.

>>128364157
Something about the mechanics they describe doesn't sit right with me.

How does a mass in a certain orbit go the same speed as a mass in a lower orbit? As far as i know orbit does not work that way. If i'm right then putting the COM above GEO would cause the earth to rotate more quickly than the rock is orbiting and the rock would slowly drop back in relation to the cable and anchor point until it snaps the base of the cable and the whole thing falls.

I'll have to check some figures.

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>>128365704
>If we make it to a billion years from now we should be satisfied. Nothing lasts forever.

Nice cuck mentality.

>If we spread to other planets speciation will occur and you won't be able to say that humans exist.

100,000 years of being on separate continents on earth with little to no contact until the last 1000 or so says otherwise. Modern technology bypasses the need to evolve to an environment and such physiological changes would not only take 1000's of years to happen in total isolation, but would also require major differences in environments to Earth such as a heavy gravity planet.

>I'm not the one paying for it, jackass. What of your money have you donated? Zero? Welcome to the club.

Sorry I'm not part of the "space is gay and not profitable" cuck club.

>>128326672
>US - over 50 ongoing missions outside of low orbit
>Russia - hasn't launched a successful mission beyond LEO since the 80s
Suck it, Red.

>>128367432
>Nice cuck mentality.
Shareblue detected. Conservatives understand there are limits to everything.

>100,000 years of being on separate continents on earth with little to no contact until the last 1000 or so says otherwise

Did you just say race doesn't exist, you nigger? God damn some of you shareblue shills just aren't worth the money they pay you.

>>128366292
I think the counterweight is supposed to be large enough so that it would take decades before the thing would noticeably shift in orbit, or maybe the system could reach an equilibrium where the cable is a bit curved. Sending things up repeatedly in an elevator would fuck with the balance over time anyway.

>>128364027
>>128364027
You make some fair about costs, but the idea that there is absolutely nothing tangible of monetary value and no purpose space exploration is false. For example, there is plenty of Helium-3 on the moon and Rare Earth materials in other places. As our technology advances with propulsion systems and robotics, as our unsustainable population grows, it will become not only more feasible but imperative.

>>128368082
>implying species and race are the same thing

>>128366292
Tangential velocity =/= Rotational velocity.

Imagine drawing a line on a record/cd from the center out. Points on the line will move at different tangential velocities, but will all rotate at the same rate - that's the idea of the space elevator, you attach a line to a counterweight (station/asteroid/whatever) in a geostationary orbit and the whole thing rotates around at the same rate.

This is also why doing the same thing in LEO doesn't work - an object in low orbit needs to rotate much faster to stay in orbit, that means it can't physically stay above the same point the way something in geostationary orbit does unless you have something physically holding it there - which would be under ENORMOUS physical stress.

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>>128368082
>Unironically calling self a Conservative
The only thing conservatives 'conserve' is funding for Israel. The most Shabbos of goyim.

>Did you just say race doesn't exist, you nigger?
Speciation is largely determined on the ability to breed and produce fertile offspring.

Congrats on being such a colossal cuckservative that you can't into basic biology.

>>128368813
Shareblue detected.

>>128368782
>there is plenty of Helium-3 on the moon
The concentration of helium 3 in the lunar regolith is 50 parts per billion and you would need to mine and process 150 million tons of it to recover 1 ton of helium 3. It's right there in the wiki, i looked it up after i watched moon and thought "there's no way it's that fucking easy".

>Rare Earth materials in other places.
But it would take the equivalent of 8 falcon 9 rockets launched from orbit to get a single ton payload to a target in the asteroid belt and back again. That takes a huge shit on the profit margins of whatever you intend to make with the rare earth material.

>As our technology advances with propulsion systems
Rocketry is an extremely mature technology. They have been refined as far as materials and chemistry can take them. There are better fuels and better methods, but we're talking about Orion surface launches at best, and liquid uranium hexaflouride ground launches at the worst. I don't know if you've done much chemistry but liquid flourine is the worst thing ever, it's comically volatile and toxic.

>>128369470

Take note of how the shareblue posters always have a "lol jews dumb" meme to make their post seem more legitimate.

They think we're idiots. Don't be fooled by them. They all use the same methods, learn to identify them.

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>>128369920

>Take note of how autistic posters always post a non argument to make their post seem more legitimate.

>They are idiots. Laugh at them. They all use the same methods, learn to identify them.

>>128357285
>Colonize Mars? For what purpose? At what enormous expense?

The same reason we have always explored. To get away from all the other assholes and have a chance to become wealthy.

>>128370191
that post is basically "i know you are but what am i?"

Man, shareblue hires children now? That's low. Are you in some california after school program?

>>128370313
>a chance to become wealthy.

That doesn't exist when you have to buy your own oxygen.

>>128319698
we should spend more money on sending muslims to hell.

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Should be spending money to rocket all Muslims to the grave.

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I say leave Earth to the niggers, libtards, and shitskins while everyone else goes to Mars. Establish pic related, build up a military and invade Earth. Take it back. It can't be saved now. Let them die

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>>128369773
I'll add that Uranium Hexaflouride's molecule is basically a meme. That's how comically fucked up it is.

>>128369773
Refute my point, triplenigger

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>>128370452
Imagine being this assblasted because someone called you a money grubbing jew.

>>128357285
>No atmosphere. No gravity. No oxygen. No water
There is actually a thin atmosphere, otherwise there would be no weather.
The gravity on mars is stronger than the moon
Correct, there is no oxygen
There is ice on mars, so some degree of 'water'

But yeah, still, it's a shit town, no really good reason to go there until we have gundams.

>>128371293
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/species
>Biology. the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.

You knew you were wrong, cheap shill.

>>128371480
>imagine being
>it's an old meme sir but it checks out

Fuck off already.

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>>128319698
Yes.
For long term survival we must get some of our species off this one planet.

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>>128371977
>Fuck off already.

tfw got an internship at Blue Origin (new glenn rockets in op photo)

feels good man

>>128370529

I disagree. It's just an added expense, no different than food or water.

Anything to get off this fucking "jewel". WE LIVE ON A PLANET WHOSE NAME IS A FLOWERY WORD FOR DIRT.

>>128319698
>shooting dicks into space

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>>128319698
What's not to like?
pic related

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>>128372284
Good luck.
Take us to space.

>>128371860
What are you even trying to say here? The source you just cited supports my point that species and race are different.

>>128319698

Why? Robuts can go in our place for cheaper, with much less risk and they can already perform most of what we would send any human to do. There is no good reason to send a manned mission unless you are after the bragging rights, in which case let me tell you, everyone will just pretend it was faked anyway.

>>128372508
>I disagree. It's just an added expense, no different than food or water.

Water is also a big issue because of weight. But oxygen is not cheap to store contain or clean.

>>128341523
Tbqh the more feasible colonization would be Dyson swarm type habitats in the belt.

Fuck gravity wells.

>>128373313
>1 slide by this ID.

Should spend that money unfucking the abysmal state our own planet is in before we abandon the damn thing for a lifeless planet.

>>128373479
Nah running away to the circus/mars appeals to liberals for the same reasons that communism appeals to them.

>>128373196
for 200k we'll bring you to low earth orbit for 6 minutes

>>128326139
>impractical
so what you are saying is, it doesn't make sense. got it.

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>>128326672
And no food

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>>128373211
Fuck robots. I want to go. To see whats there, to be the first, to claim that clay as mine.

>>128319698
We have never gone to space. Stop wasting billions on fucking CGI and lies. I fucking hate you all for being so damn blind. You blame liberals for being stupid on every issue (they are) yet you fuckers believe in this BS. Fucking learn already

>>128353617
>gets assbasted
>answers question that wasn't asked and posts unreadable infograph
Nice try dipshit

>>128322513
Thanks for your brilliant scientific insight Pajeet.

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>>128319698
the ayys don't want us leaving our shitty rockets in space.

>>128331248

>Keck Observatory

is that who finds all the rare pepes?