Abortion

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19 week old embryo, is it okay to kill this?

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it's just cells, r-right guys?

>>128313461
Just because it looks human, doesn't mean it is human.

abortion is good lol

>>128313285
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>>128313461
Are you going to adopt it?

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>>128315822
somebody is. There are more people wanting to adopt infants than adobtable infants. That's why many couples who can't have children adopt from Africa or China.

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>>128316048
>There are more people wanting to adopt infants than adobtable infants

>>128314949
Are you fuck'n serious? Are you this fucking emotionally dense? Wake the fuck up bro.

>>128316181
I'm talking first world countries here. In shitholes obviously it's the other way around. I work in this area and usually healthy children that are supposed to go up for adoption have several potential families even before they're born.
A healthy white newborn will always find a family.

>>128313285
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Should be legal for non-whites

>>128316428
You're right. I take back what I wrote. I have blood on my hands too.

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just some cells guise

>>128313285
I had a miscarriage 3 months ago. It was fucking awful feel something literally die inside of me anon. I couldn't do anything about it unfortunately and the doc said everything was normal but I could literally feel it struggling inside of me to live. I was only 8 weeks along and I could feel this much. It is life anons. Do not take it from them on purpose or condone others do the same.

First trimester.
Then once we get it down to that,
ZERO
>rape and incest
How about we stop rape and incest so certain women won't find the need to murder the baby inside of them?

>>128316582
Thats awefull..where is this? What is that from?

Thought of something, if liberals are right on this one, why do they always associate picture of the act itself as coming from pro lifers?
Really makes you think.

a murder by any other name

>>128317007
the found those in the dumpsters behind planned parenthood in the US in 2007

>>128313285
How old are you?

It's kind of a moot point now that artificial wombs exist, you can "abort" it at any week and just put it in a sack in a lab.

>>128316816
poor thing, thats horrible

103rd

>>128317248
that wouln't be called an abortion then you dumb fuck. do you even know how abortion works? They kill the child inside the womb then remove it, very rarely the other way around. first trimester, death by poison pill. 2nd and 3rd trimester death by being pulled/smashed into piece while alive using tools and a shop vac

>>128313285
Abortion is horrible but I support it for now. Niggers get aborted in yuge nyumbers. The founder of Planned Parenthood was based!

>>128317211
Oh Germany you know these idiots will believe you, it will be gooks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRDnVSMr5j0

>>128313285
Abortion should only be legal for niggers, sandniggers, and spics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k

>>128313285
It should be legal up until birth.

Also eugenics when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Af8vIym2o

>>128313461
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>>128313285
Week 200.

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>>128316428
Yeah, bro, Woody is a human just because he looks like one

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>>128313285
You should be able to kill babies up to 6 weeks after birth desu senpai

>>128313285
What race?

>>128314949
>Poland
>Pro Choice

Janusz pls stop being stupid

>>128313285
Depends on the race.

>>128316913

I'm sorry for your loss.

>>128313285
Abortion should be legal, even encouraged, for non-whites. But non-whites only. There should even be government subsidies for non-white abortions: a reward program wherein non-whites are paid a token sum for weed and beer with every nigger baby they toss into the waste bin.

But for whites it should be illegal.

>>128318412
I'm only talking about human abortion here.

wow you people are such retards, acting on emotions, acting like this world need more humans
if their pimp father or bitch mother cant afford it let them flush down the turd, who fucking cares, one less scum for the earth

>>128318603
Only on genetically defects.

>>128318241
I guess now we know the answer to my question is you're as dense as wood......

>>128316913
>mutant retard abomination twitches
"i-it's life!!"

Your body made the right choice rejecting that freak.

>yeah lets let two irresponsible young adults have the baby when they dont even have their own lives set out
>yeah lets have that single mother raise the baby even though she didnt want to have one in the first place. she will totally be a great role model for this kid and he/she wont come out fucked up at all

I do agree its fucked up to kill the baby but it didn't even develop a conscience so its not like the thing is ganna care or even know what caring feels like. It's funny how you are the ones that care about ethics.

It would be better than having the thing suffer and through its upbringing become the very thing you kids despise, be it some lgbt, fag cuck, or roastie slut.

>>128318808
adoption is a thing

>>128318932
this

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>>128318770
My woody is hard as wood

>>128318563

And make it mandatory for mixed race babies.

>>128319069
touche

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>>128313285
Up to 1 month after the birth

Does it have thought, feelings? Is it conscious yet? I doubt it.

>>128318793
Fuck off faggot, do you seriously not understand how the formation of a zygote works?

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>>128319240
>after being born the baby magically develops thought.

The only difference between a baby at 24 weeks of pregnancy that has been born and one that hasn't been born is its location.

>>128318793
the baby itself wasnt mutant, turns out it was an issue with my body. A long term side effect of taking birth control pills no one talks about. I have two tumors the size of tennis balls in my womb that essentially suffocated the baby.

anons think twice about having your gf/wife take birth control pills if you ever plan on having kids with her in the future. Or at least seriously look into the potential side effects of messing with someones hormones

>>128319655
>do you seriously not understand how the formation of a zygote works?

Uhm, looks like it's her freak DNA that doesn't understand how it's supposed to work.

>>128319668
They aborted a nigger; no problem there

>>128318793
Fag.

>>128313285
Tell a conservative children are starving and dying 1000 miles from the US and they don't care

Tell them we terminate unwanted pregnancies and they get all sanctimonious on us.

You just can't win with cognitive dissonance.

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The race is all that matters.

Make white babies.

The rest belong in medical waste.

>>128320649
>I should care more about the terrible things happening in another country than the ones happening in my own because reasons.

>>128318659
We can abort roaches with common pesticides thankfully.

>>128319720
As a matter of fact my doctor said everything in the ultrasound, (after his death, I had to carry his dead body for over a month before my body finally let it go) was perfectly healthy and normally developing, that something simply went wrong and it died.

>>128316428
So let's say, you convince the bitch to keep the baby.
You gonna feed the kid when it's born, or let the mother struggle to do so?
You could say here that she should have kept her legs closed if you want to avoid responsibility of helping her after convincing her to keep the baby.
Now there's an additional starving kid on this world because you couldn't handle your feelies getting hurt if the kid was aborted, but god forbid you help them at all.
Fuckin kill yourself.

>>128313285
As long as I can get stem cells from them, I don't see why not? Better if we pay niggers for their aborted babies.
Think about it, the left can't complain about it because then they would be racist in their eyes, it creates more income for the blacks who are actually trying to move along in the world, and these scum of society will actually be doing something of use for once.
After all, stem cell research can be useful.

>>128321256
Take kid away an train as a Spartan.

>>128316048
>There are more people wanting to adopt infants than adobtable infants.
Not in the US.

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>>128321256
Adoption.

>>128321461
Not for black children maybe.

>>128321256
>I know, with absolute clarity, whether someone else's life is worth living.

>>128313285
4 weeks. you find out your pregnant in two. missed period noticeable by 4 weeks. after that you're just being a faggot

>>128321435
lol
>>128321465
Sure, but let's be real hans, why let another soul into this overpopulated plane to suffer? What's the REAL reason you don't like abortion?
>>128321579
Yes, I do.

>>128321256
seriously? Whens the last time you saw a starving kid in america you fat fuck

>>128321579
Yes. By the race.
Shitskins have a negative life value; prison, welfare, theft, etc.

>>128321748
By that same logic, you can justify any murder.

>>128321748
Reduce army spending, Spartans don't need a wage, they only need food and weapons.

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>>128313285
These are the reasonable arguments:
(1) Women's natural and inalienable rights should always be respected, including their right to decide for themselves if they will be pregnant or not, bear a child or not.
(2) When the state controls childbirth, it is always tyranny. (See Hitler, Mao, Stalin, GOP) Only the tyranny assumes it can abuse the law to put pregnant women and doctors in prison for the exercise of her rights.
(3) The 10,000 year standard for new human life in every culture on Earth has always been the Miracle of Birth. There's no logical reason to radically move the goalposts.
(4) Rights-grabbing anti-choicers don't care if born babies suffer or starve to death, which makes their brief pretense of pseudo-moralism laughable.

These are the irrational arguments
(1) Teh wittlte bitty bebes!
(2) Muh pictures
(3) I must seize control of all dah wominz
(4) I hate dah wominz because they reject me
(5) Let's punish teh wominz!

There, that should save us about 200 useless posts.

>>128321783
I like how you avoid my question by throwing up an insult and using strawman.(Yes there are starving kids in the US, why do you think food stamps and food pantries are a thing?) You forgot the flag you were posting with btw.
>>128321879
Not necessarily, because you stated it yourself, KNOWING whether someone's life is worth saving or not was concluded by a metric of judgement.
>>128322057
Now we're getting somewhere

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>>128313285
Yes, we are all cells dipshit. And just like nigger cells can harm society, so can a retarded baby or some faggot like you being raised by some broke single mom (single, may I add, probably because not every fucking person has the means or time to raise a child)

Two mistakes bring another one into the world, would you rather keep all three or lose one? Replace "mistakes" with welfare monkeys, downies, or the minority of your choice until it makes sense to you. The true redpill is that not all lives matter you babies. Abort yourselves.

>inb4 dude adoption lmao as if the world is full of wannabe nigmoms

>>128320879
>I'll defend the "rights" of non-persons in my country over thinking, feeling people in another because muh morality
>muh morality only applies to things I like

>still thinks it's objective

Think of the children™: Conservatard Edition

>>128322698
1. Ignores the right of life of every human being.
2. Slippery slope
3. Appeal to tradition when we have scientifically proven when a biologically unique individual's life begins
4.Irrelevant to the argument which is against the slaughter of innocent life.

The children should be gave to the state, a trained from birth soldier or administrator is superior.

>>128322698
>There, that should save us about 200 useless posts
Aye, if only these losers with their false moral dogma could understand.

>>128313285
However old that person is in weeks sounds good to me, fuck it kill 'em all

Both choices suck. Do you kill an innocent life? Or do you let it grow up with dipshit parents and make it a drain on society? Just make sex before marriage taboo again desu

>>128313285
legal at any point into the pregnancy for birth defects like being black, arab, hispanic or other debilitating genetic defects like trisomie 21

illegal for all else

>>128323202
>when we have scientifically proven when a biologically unique individual's life begins

When is that? out of curiosity

If by "biologically unique" you mean genetically unique then that happens shortly after fertilization.

>>128322698
>(1) - [...] including their right to decide for themselves if they will be pregnant or not
They could just not fuck and bam, not pregnant.
>(2) - When the state controls childbirth, it is always tyranny.
They still control childbirth on the death side of it.
>(3) - The 10,000 year standard for new human life in every culture on Earth has always been the Miracle of Birth. There's no logical reason to radically move the goalposts.
Because of how often babies would be born stillborn. Also, for 10,000 years we believed that the earth was flat, that witchcraft was real and that if you threw a virgin in a volcano it would appease the corn god. Maybe if these people had been able to fully understand how the baby was formed rather than "goop from dick goes into vagina, 9 months later bam, a brand new baby ready to be carried off by a predator at night", we would have seen it a little differently.
>(4) Rights-grabbing anti-choicers don't care if born babies suffer or starve to death, which makes their brief pretense of pseudo-moralism laughable.
Maybe the people having the babies should put a little thought into their actions before they have a baby then?

But I guess asking people not to fuck and be responsible for the outcome of their choices is too much, amirite?

>mentions irrational arguments
>muh pictures
>proceeds to post picture of Flint
>blames GOP when Flint is in a democrat county in a democrat state.
Looks like you've had a bit of the Flint water yourself, anon.

>>128322739
And what metric is it that gives you sovereignty over another individual's right to life?
>>128323126
They are people, that's the entire point retard. If a rock is falling on someone in front of me, I can push them out of the way. If the same thing is happening in China, I can't do anything about it here.
None of your posts refute a pro-life stance.

>>128313285
Up to 216 months would be best

abortion is murder, but murder is sometimes ok

>>128324140
In this case, it's the mother's. She, not you, has a fetus growing inside of her, it is entirely her decision whether or not she want to keep it or get rid of it.

>>128324026
exactly, conception

>>128324777
You don't gain the right to kill your children when they are growing inside you any more than you do when they are growing inside your home.

There are people available and waiting for children to adopt RIGHT NOW all over the United States. If you don't want to go through the pain of child birth, you can have a c-section. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex, or use contraceptives.
Not a single person that has walked into an abortion clinic in the past ten years didn't know what a contraceptive was or how they work. Planned parenthood's entire business model depends on persuading women to have abortions. Blacks have more abortions, but whites have been on a steady climb upwards in numbers. And on a moral level, it is not your body, it is not a parasite, since you would have to consent to have a child. The only debate to have is yes or no in cases of rape. Abortion is a meme and this can not be debated or argued.

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>>128323202
>1. Ignores the right of life of every human being.
Just the opposite. Life begins at birth or when the fetus is viable (can live and breathe on its own) so no human being's rights are ignored. Further, it defends the rights of the pregnant women, something rights-grabbers are loathe to do.

>2. Slippery slope
Doesn't matter how your forehead is shaped.

>3. Appeal to tradition when we have scientifically proven when a biologically unique individual's life begins
False on both counts. First, tradition is our law, language, history, culture, science and religion. We are the end product of tradition's process. Second, biology does NOT determine that egg fertilization is when life begins for any species. Rather, it does like we do and counts the chickens when they are hatched.

>slaughter of innocent life.
Hey, that's another great example! I'm going to add that to my list of irrational emotional pleas that are false in every aspect but sound warm and fuzzy to confirmation bias retards.

18 years

>>128313285
Abortion should always be legal, moral or not. As a trade off, men shouldn't have to pay for a kid they weren't around to raise.

Unwanted kids get aborted, shitty parents stop perpetuating their abuse and poverty onto children, stem cells heal the healthy and responsible adults alive today, and welfare money goes to better uses.

It should be this way all over the world, if Africans insist upon getting pregnant then they can either abort it if they cannot support the kid or starve to death with them. No more aid for these people.

There is objectively no argument against this, statists.

>>128324140
>a fetus is a person
A possibility of a person, sure but fetus is no more a person than chicken sperm is my breakfast.
>If a rock is falling on someone in front of me, I can push them out of the way. If the same thing is happening in China, I can't do anything about it here.
Fail analogy used instead of the one I presented; starvation. Easily remedied with monetary or food aide.

I wish I was a woman; I'd have abortions just to fuck with people like you.

>>128313285
Of course abortion shouldn't be legal. We're murdering our own babies.

>>128325023
>You don't gain the right to kill your children
Isn't it already against the law to kill children? You must be from one of those home-schooled states.

>>128325772
>comparing a human to a chicken
Solid argument!

>>128325157
Biology has refuted your first claim for me. Our sex cells are alive but still members of our respective, human, bodies. Once they merge they become neither a cell native to the mother or father's. It is the first cell of a genetically unique, human body. Your second ignores the fallacy you're making in your argument. Your third flounders to grasp a concept you don't understand and your fourth provides further proof that you are a morally bankrupt retard if you think the intentional, needless, killing of an innocent human is justifiable.

We have the technology to put the fetus in a synthetic womb.

If a woman doesn't want the baby, let her put it on the fake womb and hand it off to all these childless couples or fathers who really want to keep the kid who are rioting for a chance at owning a baby.

Problem solved.

>>128325772
>chicken sperm
I always knew american food was disgusting, but not that it was that bad.

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>>128325772
>I wish I was a woman; I'd have abortions just to fuck with people like you.
So you mean you'd just fuck random guys without any protection?

Hey, if you want to get fucked up with STDs just to spite people you'll never meet, then more power to you, but I gotta tell you, if you want to be a woman, you certainly are stupid enough to be one.

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>>128325933
>We're murdering our own babies.
Is it illegal to "murder babies"? If abortions aare still legal, then:
A) must not be murder
B) must not be babies

I'll add this emotional plea to my list of idiotic pleas

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>>128313285
abortion is euthanasia

just keep everyone alive and happy

>>128325157
>life begins at birth
so even a fetus with a fully functioning brain doesn't count as a person?

>>128324815
>>128325023
Good god, you're hopeless.
Human life is not that valuable, get over it.
I would imagine you're against euthanasia as well.
You stand upon a false dogma of morals, and when called out on it, you simply scream and shout the world is wrong because you think your position is right. You do believe you come from a place of benevolence, but ultimately, you are invading other's lives whose actions have no impact upon yours.
You fuckin sicken me, and yet I'm the psychopath here because I pointed out the fact abortion is fine.
Please don't look both ways when crossing the street anymore, you deserve to be gibbed by a speeding semi.

>>128326465
The reason people are waiting to have kids is because of how difficult the process is, not a deficit on kids in foster care. There's a lot of red tape up that keeps all sorts of people from adopting, which is why there's both a high supply and a high demand.

>>128326521
>every law is just
the only retard in this thread is you

>>128326521
>still pretending he knows when life begins
This is why nobody takes you seriously. That question has not been answered and can only change depending on how savage you are

>>128326210
>Your analogy doesn't make sense to me and is therefore invalid
>t. a stupid faggot

>>128326480
>Hey, if you want to get fucked up with STDs just to spite people you'll never meet, then more power to you, but I gotta tell you, if you want to be a woman, you certainly are stupid enough to be one.
>You're stupid, comma, comma, comma
If all you were doing was calling me stupid, just lead with it. Stick to short sentences if you don't know how to use commas and semicolons.

>>128327054
>pretending you would cook and eat a human fetus

>>128326807
You concede your intentionally ending human life and still try to act like you are in the right. Just because you have chosen to abandon the concept of fundamental human rights doesn't mean we all have to.

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>>128323202
>>128326320
>>128326776

>>128326521
>I'll add this emotional plea to my list of idiotic pleas
Again, this is coming from the guy who posted a picture blaming the GOP for Flint when it's a democratic town in a democratic county in a heavy democrat state.

You should add that one to your list as well.

>>128326776
>>128326966
Don't even bother, guys, he's just flinging shit so he can feel good about himself.

>>128327054
>ha you called me out on my stupid shit, but you had a grammatical error so i win
You really are a great argument for abortion.

>>128320109
no, side effects from taking birth control pills previously.

There are many more causes of miscarriage than just "mutated dna"

>>128313285
Legal in the first trimester.
Required if doctors discover genetic anomalies like Down syndrome.

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>>128313285
It is not good, it leads to declining Birth rates which is why countries are relying on immigration which inevitably leads to the destruction of tradition, decency and social order.

Any country that can survive only on the whims of people from other states is in no way sustainable.

>>128326909

Then maybe the conversation needs to change to that since one of the main pro life arguments is "just give it up for adoption!" As it stands now, it's "haha fuck you" and uses pregnancy as punishment rather than legitimately caring about the life of a baby.

>>128327712
>didn't touch the meat of the argument
>"You said a dumb thing at the end, I win!"
Thanks, you too man!

>>128327417
I'm not acting like I'm right, you see, I know I'm right. No illusion or acting here, I'll state it straight the fuck up;

"Abortion is alright"

You better start emptying your bank account into an adoption home, otherwise, you're just lying to yourself. God you're retarded.
Stop fucking posting.

>>128328054
I would argue not wanting the kid to get dissected is caring about their life. I do agree though that more resources should be put in place to maintain wards of the state.

>>128326521
Wow, you're justifying this in terms of law? You know how corrupt and unjust every government on this planet is? I'm coming from an ethical point of view, you're coming from a "Whatever the law says must of course be a reflection of science and morality, even though half of the time everyone knows what government says is complete bullshit". That's a terrible argument. "The law must be right about everything."

>>128328327
>didn't touch the meat of the argument
That if you were a woman you were have abortions just because? I don't know what you're trying to prove except that you're a dumbass.

>>128328397
I can't imagine the type of delusion you must be under to think the butchering of children is 'alright'

>>128328791
*were a woman that you would have

>>128328054
Even if you're right, it's nobody's right to determine whether or not the baby lives or dies. How many autists on this website do you witness crying about living on neetbux and how shitty their parents and lives were? How many of them actually go through with suicide? Not many I'd wager. The child should, as all people, be assumed to desire life over death.
Also this wouldn't be a debate if women weren't worthless leeches with zero control

>>128328006
False dilemma.
You can have lower birth rates and no immigration. This is actually needed since economies are in an unsustainable path with overpopulation.
You just have to give up the ponzi scheme that Boomers want so their houses go up in value and people pay taxes to pay for their pensions.

>>128328852
He's just bitter at life and wants to be edgy.
He wants your attention because it makes him feel something.

>>128324026
babys have their own blood type separate from their mothers by 7 weeks.

>>128313285

You should be able to abort up to 12 weeks after birth.

>>128328397
>you don't want to adopt a kid so nobody else wants to adopt a kid
Nice

>>128314949
>
agreed , let's fucking kill you, human shaped thing

>>128328852
I can't imagine how much of a bitch you are in life, you know damn well you will never support any kids who avoided abortion.
You are a shallow human, and you deserve to die.

>>128313285
1 week

>>128329710
Nice projection anon

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>>128326320
>Our sex cells are alive but still members of our respective, human, bodies. Once they merge they become neither a cell native to the mother or father's. It is the first cell of a genetically unique, human body.
It's not a person is it? Not a human being. Just human tissue in the development process.

> Your second ignores the fallacy you're making in your argument.
Saying the words "slippery slope" is not an argument. So the appropriate response should be "not an argument" but I chose the more sarcastic response.

> a concept you don't understand
I'm a biology major studying for my MCAT. I have easily 30 semester hours of biology core and electives. It is my trained understanding of biology that allows me to see through the bullshit of edgy tweens and half-wits.

>killing of an innocent human
Life begins at birth so it can't possibly be a killing. You believe that misstating the law and fabricating premises makes your flawed syllogism somehow correct? You're living proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect!

>>128316936

Because most of those babies are black.

>>128316936
when women stop false accusation , and using pregnancy to blackmail someone

>>128328945

I was supporting the idea of removing the baby from the mother so she doesn't have to carry it around for 9 months while keeping it alive to give it to people who want it. Keep up.

Also, do you not place any responsibility on the father?

Illegal in all cases except rape and genetic disorders or other medical complications, in which cases it should be mandatory to abort.

>>128329796
nice argument loser

I'm not religious and so I'm all for abortions, however I think women need to be accountable for their actions. Make the woman have the baby, but then also make her kill it with a hammer or a scalpel or something. That way women will know the seriousness of accidentally getting pregnant, the child won't have to grow up poor in an overpopulated planet, AND the world won't have to deal with unwanted children. It's a win win win situation if you think about it.

>>128327207
>implying you know how hungry I am
Seriously though, we don't value a person based on what they could be.

>>128328791
>still replying
The dude I originally replied to didn't want to counter my argument either; don't feel bad friend.

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>>128313285
Abortion should be legal for liberals at any age.

>>128329855
>just a human tissue in the development process
That sounds a lot like me. And you. And everyone else on Earth. You'll be an old man one day, you know.
>it is my trained understanding of biology that allows me to ignore simple ethical questions
It's a piece of paper, buddy. It means diddly.
>Life begins at birth
Again, that's never been answered, and that's why you can always be met here with the fact that an aging process begins the moment the sperm meets the egg-- a fetus will grow, which will become a baby, and then a child, and then a normal functioning person like you or me. Get off your high horse, you know nothing but the semantics and are too afraid to tackle the real arguments.

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>>128326974
>still pretending he knows when life begins
You know when you birthday is, right? Why is that special? Why does that determine when you can drive, drink and smoke? It's obviously because everything in every society in the world is based on the Miracle of Birth

Birth has always been the starting point. The proof? Birthdays, Birth certificates. Given names. Age. All related to birth, not conception.

>>128330572
>friend.
At least you can call somebody your friend. :^)

>>128316604
Should be mandatory for non-whites

>>128314949

Same with slavs i guess.

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>>128327712
>Again, this is coming from the guy who posted a picture blaming the GOP
This is real life. GOP policies are stripping kids of the school lunches, meanwhile mandating prison for women in a variety of medical procedures.

>>128329855
The fertilized egg is the first, quantifiable proof that we have of a human's body existing. All humans are a collection of tissues in a state of development.

Your claim that the goverment could go to far is not an argument against being pro-life

I don't care about your ePersona, it's irrelevant to the discussion.

The law doesn't make the killing of innocent people just.

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>>128318793
Watch it there, buddy. You'll cut us with all that edge!

In all seriousness, though, why are all you kraut posters so whiny and bitchy? Is it because your country is the butt of nearly every joke on this board and you just can't admit it sucks shit?

>>128329855
so, a baby one day before birth that could already survive when born through a c section, a baby that already has all senses developed, can smile, suck on its thumb, recognise the voice of its mother is still not a human? I'm baffled

>>128318302
this

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>>128326807
>all these liberal mental gymnastics to justify the murder of children

>>128328950
Most countries can't, we are overpopulated due to immigration, and the south has land. Besides as long as the elite want cheap workers you'll always get more of the bastards.

>>128330699
The only reason birthday is used is because we can't accurately know the time a human was conceived. It can happen days past intercourse.

>>128313285
Abortion should be legal up to 8 years.

>>128328554
>Wow, you're justifying this in terms of law?
Well, the law and our language and our history and our religion and our culture and our science.

Life beings at birth and not one single rational argument supports anything else. All you have are insults, emotional pleas, lies and deceptions for arguments. Not a single thing you say is actually true.

Go ahead, prove me right.

>>128331002
You assume we're conservatives or libertarians. I'm not. I'm a socialist, and I would make sure that child grows up with the assistance he/she needs.

>>128316816
I am just weeping at these. God have mercy on us, and end this slaughter of innocent babies

>>128313285

im atheist and pro abortion

>>128331721
I like the part where you don't refute that the law can be wrong. The same way you didn't refute>>128331116

>>128330699
My guess would be an outdated practice of celebrating another year of not being eaten by wolves or killed by raiders. We're beyond the point of hinging ethical questions on old practices, we're now debating where life begins, and with science, we've identified a cluster of cells that grows inside of the womb. The fact that it's growing can be argument enough of a sign of life-- lefties will attempt to argue that its okay to kill it only if it does not have a functioning brain, or something along those lines. No matter which side you take, the birth date bears no significance to the real arguments.

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>>128314949

>>128331721
.Life beings at birth and not one single rational argument supports anything else

I didn't know if you knew this or not, but life actually begins at conception. It's plain as day to see. The only thing that makes the assumption that life begins at birth (lol) is our illusory culture.

>>128331496
>murder is wrong
Here's your problem, christcuck.
Social parasites should be killed at any age. If there's absolutely no way the fetus would become a productive citizen (for example, it has autism or down's syndrome), it should be aborted.

>>128329855
You're just an amalgam of human tissue too, what's the real difference? You escaped the cunt before butchering? Seriously though, I'm curious to know where your line is.

>>128331002
Nice job cutting off the crucial point of that sentence.
>Again, this is coming from the guy who posted a picture blaming the GOP
>for Flint when it's a democratic town in a democratic county in a heavy democrat state.

Stop trying to squirm away from the point:
>>128322698
you blamed the GOP for Flint when they have nothing to do with it. You're the like the people who blame the GOP/whites for the unrest in Baltimore when 95% of everyone involved was a black and/or a democrat. If you want to talk about something different, that's fine, but at least first admit that your statement was factually wrong.

>GOP policies are stripping kids of the school lunches
Because they can't bring a ham and cheese sandwich from home? And besides, when was the last time you heard anyone saying that school cafeteria food was something they looked forward to eating?
>meanwhile mandating prison for women in a variety of medical procedures.
Do you mean FOR a variety of medical procedures?

>>128331002
>stripping kids of the school lunches
Nice talking point, easy way to spot someone who just listens to MSNBC from his/her ivory tower without spending a day at an inner city school.

>>128332375
Meant to put the top line in green text

>>128313285
should not be legal at all. it is objectively immoral to terminate the life of a human embryo, fetus, child, or adult.

>>128332428
Alright man, good luck with that.

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>We should prohibit abortions because the fetus sorta looks like a baby and it has a stimulus response
>m-muh """morals"""
Jesus fucking christ, conservatives really put the tard in conservatard.

Go ahead, paint me like someone who loves murdering cute """"""""""babies"""""""""""

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>>128313285
I understand the benefits of baby killing for your convenience. If it were legal to kill certain people who don't threaten your life, but your lifestyle, people would do it. When I really sat down and thought about abortion, which is taught to us as a clear cut issue, I fully comprehended the depths of human degeneracy.

You have taken away the means for a human to grow, live, learn, and die on their own terms, these are reasons why murder is heinous. It doesn't matter to me how human you consider it, the potential of life secures its value. Men make masturbatory emissions no matter what, women menstruate no matter what, their union is a special bond to create life. I don't mean to come off as prudish, but sex's purpose is to create life, not make you feel pleasure. I don't mean to say you shouldn't have sex for the latter goal, but you shouldn't be having sex with anyone you wouldn't consider a good option as a mother.

When a woman experiences a miscarriage, people look at it as tragic. It's not the loss of a fetus, it's the loss of a child. The line between a practical decision for your convenience and a heartbreaking tragedy isn't determined by whether the couple wanted the child or not. If you hold serious convictions on the basis of relativism, you should probably kill yourself.

>>128332608
How ironic that the guy talking about his list of idiotic emotional pleas himself uses an idiotic emotional plea.

>>128332428
>Social parasites should be killed at any age.
... And that's the story of how your grandparents died in the Gulag.

ITT: proofs of existence of the ayy lmaos

>>128332686
>objectively
>immoral
Because the daddy from the sky will send you to hell for it?

>>128333384
Thanks Senegal, we needed that.

>>128313285
4 weeks

>>128333089
You painted yourself like that, nice selfie by the way.

Evil. in plain sight. And Im not religious.

>>128317966
Start with yourself anon

>>128333221
I wouldn't be even born if they died in gulag, would I?

>>128333941
This is what it turns into. Liberalism turns into a cliche.

>>128333092
>sex's purpose
yeah man I also totally read that from the fabric of the universe

sex's "purpose" is what you want it to be, why are you enslaving yourself to this idea of a ONE TRUE PURPOSE that isn't even dictated by anything? Are you doing it because you feel obligated to the random non-sentient process that created it [you don't seem theistic]?

>>128318808
How do you know it doesn't have a consciousness? Babies in the womb can feel pain, anon. They suffer greatly by being torn apart, their skulls cracked open and having their brains sucked out with a vacuum.

You should view a few of the many many many abortion survivor vids on YT. Everyone suffers to one degree or another Anon. Some of the most emotionally damaged people come from affluent homes. There is never an excuse to kill an innocent baby, much less if the reason is "it might suffer a bad childhood" (as if that's worse than outright murder.)

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>>128334341
>people can't end up in jails after they have children
Russian intellectuals, ladies and gentlemen ...

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>>128313285

If you can't give it a good life, or the government can't take care of it, whats the point of having the child?

the only reason to hold human life in such a high regard would be out of universalist principles. But i doubt this is a place for such ethics. No one cares about human life that much on here

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>>128313285
Children are parents' property they might be killed by them anytime, whoever disagrees is a fucking commie

>>128313285
>>128313357
>>128313461
Abortion of all types should be allowed, I don't want any unfit shitskins passing on their genes to future generations, and draining us with welfare.

>>128334626
Sex is how most life reproduces and we're only of the only creatures in the world (I think Dolphins are the only one) that enjoy sex.

So no, the only true purpose of sex is reproduction - that we can also get some fun out of it and sometimes not actually procreate is just a bonus for us.

>>128334751
Because even in your lowest of lows, you haven't killed yourself yet. And the child won't either. Everyone should be assumed to desire life. Or should we all just kill each other because of the potential crash of a global market in two years? It'll be saving us the pain and troubles of living impverished right? I think not.

>>128333092
>If you hold serious convictions on the basis of relativism, you should probably kill yourself.
>If you hold serious convictions, you should probably kill yourself.
FTFY

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Here's the current list of irrational emotional pleas currently being used by rights-grabbers:

>>128313357
>19 week old embryo, is it okay to kill this?

>>128313461
>it's just cells, r-right guys?

>>128316816
>just some cells guise

>>128317093
>a murder by any other name

>>128317694
>They kill the child inside the womb

>>128317906
>Abortion should only be legal for niggers, sandniggers, and spics

>>128318302
>You should be able to kill babies

>>128321383
>Better if we pay niggers for their aborted babies.

>>128321879
>By that same logic, you can justify any murder.

>>128323202
>the slaughter of innocent life.

>>128324600
>abortion is murder

>>128326320
>killing of an innocent human is justifiable.

>>128325933
>We're murdering our own babies

>>128326974
>depending on how savage you are

>>128327417
>You concede your intentionally ending human life

>>128329687
>let's fucking kill you, human shaped thing

>>128331116
>the killing of innocent people

>>128331496
>the murder of children
Yes, I'm handing out (You)'s like candy today. Because if they were actual children getting the candy you would shit all over them.

>>128334751
Am I to believe that because you wound up a lonely autist on a Taiwanese watch-making forum, no creature has the right to cut its own path through life? It's not about having a "good life," it's about having your own life. I swear, everyone is in such a hurry to due these days.

>>128335134
>the only true purpose of sex is reproduction
And I ask you again, what dictates this true purpose that makes it significant enough to submit yourself to it?

If I invent cancer medicine and declare that its true purpose is as airplane fuel, you might be compelled to respect my declaration and not heal anyone with it. Maybe you don't want to hurt my feelings and they trump all the people dying from cancer. But the "true purpose" of sex isn't even decided by a person with feelings but by evolution, so why do you care what it is?

>>128322829
The principle of abortion is fucked up, especially considering how liberal women are about them nowadays. I mean, you're literally killing your future child for your own convenience, there's just no other way to slice that.

Going by your logic, what's wrong with aborting one year olds who are going to be a drain on society? They're not self-aware, they don't know what's going on. It's almost no different from aborting a fetus. You should have no moral qualms with killing newborns if you don't have any moral qualms with killing fetuses.

>>128335857
>due
*die
I suck cocks.

>>128335478

things that don't exist can't desire life, so the parents who force children into existence have the burden. Which means they have to take responsebility to either give it a good life, or vote for a government that can.

your asumption is true, but you are missing the most important part. Children are forced into desire for life by their parents

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>>128331187
>so, a baby one day before birth that could already survive when born through a c section, a baby that already has all senses developed, can smile, suck on its thumb, recognise the voice of its mother is still not a human? I'm baffled
You certainly got the baffled part right. A fetus that is viable (ready to be born) is enough. If the lungs aren't developed, then it wouldn't have survived anyway without technological intervention. You think you're just pretending to be confused but your posts belie your dissembling.

>>128336002
Let me know when sex produces anything good besides a baby, Angela.

>>128335531
How many times do I need to tell you? I'm a Socialist, not a conservative or a libertarian.

>>128333221
>How ironic that the guy talking about his list of idiotic emotional pleas himself uses an idiotic emotional plea.
I take it back, you might have the literacy level to suggest you have spent some time in inner city schools, you moron.

>>128335531
>being opposed to murder is irrational

I'm still waiting for you to address>>128331116

This post is just a catalog of every argument you're dodging.

>>128335857

this is what i mean>>128336170

>>128332215
>I like the part where you don't refute that the law can be wrong. The same way you didn't refute
I didn't say the law can;t be wrong. I said that if you maintain that abortion is "murder" then in fact is not, then you are lying.

You are lying.

>>128335531
Jesus. Maybe they're trying to instill some common sense in you? Maybe? I don't know.

>>128321548
Not for whites who actively avoid having children either.

>>128336315
You just said it isn't alive until born. Stop contradicting yourself. A child won't survive without intervention immediately after being born either.

>>128336356
Forcing people into the world without being able to absolutely guarantee their well-being isn't "good". You're creating suffering for your own selfish beliefs.

>>128334626
I did not assert that sex for the sake of your own pleasure was an invalid way of going about things, nor did I say it was immoral. I merely decried irresponsible sex without regard to your partner's potential as a parent. I don't think that's an unreasonable stance. Sex feels good because our bodies want to procreate.

>>128336707
Again, you're going by the judgement of the law, not science or reality. How many times do we need to get this through to you?

>>128336550
That post is unintelligible.

>>128313285
>cuck mods deleted OP image
can anyone post it again?

>>128321748
>What's the REAL reason you don't like abortion?
Because Blacks and Hispanics abort more than whites. Hans as always wants the death of the white race.

>>128336002
>And I ask you again, what dictates this true purpose that makes it significant enough to submit yourself to it?
Because reproduction is the only outcome of sex, Hans.
This is first grade stuff.

>>128336505
I was talking about the guy you were replying to and his emotional pleas.
Maybe you should study up on some of that "literacy" yourself.

>>128336532
I'm still waiting for him to reply to this:
>>128332569

>>128336170
Forced by no one but thr laws of nature. The cells grow because they must. You're right that a fetus won't have that desire, but does that give the parents the freedome to spark life and snuff it out just as quick? Can I step on a dog's head just because it doesn't have a higher cognitive ability? Can I shoot a man in his sleep because he's not aware? I think not. If the child ever desires to end itself, it will have that choice and opportunity after being granted what should be its right to live.

>>128337003
Suffering is life, anon. Everything you do is to avoid pain. You're starting to sound like a JRPG villain.
>If I kill them, they can't feel pain!

How can God bless America when the Government pays for the murder of the most innocent.
I used to believe up to 12 weeks was OK but no more.
I do push birth control.
I myself am guilty and regret.

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>>128337096

>>128327697
These things are literally not conscious. They don't have the parts of the brain which govern higher functions than instincts. They are below even animals.

>>128337355
It's not easy to take, when the implication gets to you. But forgive yourself, you were mislead and deluded, and you didn't mean any harm.

>>128337355
>the most innocent
>Blacks and Hispanics

>>128334745
Whatever. My grandparents died from cancer/stroke/heart attack, not killed in labour camps. Also, fuck Stalin, he was a meanie.
>>128337355
12 weeks is not even enough to diagnose most congenital disorders. Enjoy paying welfare checks to feeding brainless sissies.
>>128337558
Both the humane and the rational thing to do is to euthanise them.

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>>128332294
>My guess would be an outdated practice
It is our human practice and it will stay with us for centuries to come. Because it is our universal tradition.

>We're beyond the point of hinging ethical questions on old practices
Absolutely not. It is our precedent in all these disciplines that form our best ideas.

>we're now debating where life begins, and with science,
That's a lie. The "debate" is nonsensical because the only arguments posited by the rights-grabbers are "we hate women" and "let's punish women". Science and particularly biology sees reproduction as a continuation of life. I wrote 6 papers for my Bio Ethics classes, straight A's, because ethics requires the elimination of falsehoods and fallacies, essentially rendering the anti-choicers without any arguments at all.

>>128337230
>You're right that a fetus won't have that desire, but does that give the parents the freedome to spark life and snuff it out just as quick?
I don't see why not.
>Can I step on a dog's head just because it doesn't have a higher cognitive ability?
Dog=human? Nope.
>Can I shoot a man in his sleep because he's not aware?
Sleeping man=Noncognitive human tissue? Nope

You're born with no rights; governments give you those.

>>128337230

don't get me wrong, the burden is all on the parents here. Im just saying that if they can't give it a good life, its a rather meaningless to stop at "abortion politics"
this is why one can't be consistant on abortion until one solves the problem of caring about the babies life.
So one needs to support government programs im afraid. Which makes sense for anyone. Considering the banning of abortion is a government intervention anyways.
The whole discussion is a bigger problem for libertarians, who seem to care enough for life to be born, but not enough for it to be a good one.

and even with all those problems, one still needs to make fit it all inside a moral system which somehow allows for war, killing ect. but doesn't allow for abortions?

This is why i said univeralist ethichs is the only thing that can be applied here, everything else is just pure emotions without any logic to back it up im afraid

>>128338234
>Also, fuck Stalin, he was a meanie.
>Social parasites should be killed at any age.
Which one is it, Vladdie? Maybe you should lay off the Vodka.

>>128331496
>All that virtue signaling.

>But fucking try to bark for the free healthcare or tuition for said children and the "moral" faggot will fucking screech his vocal cords off.

How does it feel, being virtuous and moral on other's spending, faggot?

>>128338272
>If I call it a lie, I win!

>sees reproduction as a continuation of life
By this own argument, you concede that abortion is ending human life.

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Here are my thoughts on the matter.

It should be legal for either parent to terminate their child's life up until the child reaches the age of ten. At age ten they begin to develop their own personalities and are like little people then. If you bring a child into the world, you should have the right to take it out. The child, of course, would have to be humanely killed by either the parents or a licensed child murderer. If a third party who is unlicensed kills the child then it should be considered a crime and punished as a regular murder.

>>128337338
I mean, I do believe that. Creating life and leaving it in pain is not a good thing. If you can't guarantee they'll have a good life, proceeding anyway because you don't want to cause some pain is not a kindness.

And no, this doesn't apply to killing humans of arbitrary because then all the other humans will worry that you'll kill them too.

>>128337059
I was disagreeing with a fallacy about things having an inherent "purpose" that matters, nothing more.

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>>128332375
>I didn't know if you knew this or not, but life actually begins at conception. It's plain as day to see.
It does not in any sense that living human being measure it. It always always beings at birth.

>The only thing that makes the assumption that life begins at birth (lol) is our illusory culture.
And that's not correct either. Name a culture anywhere at any time on Earth that ever recognized life at conception instead of birth. It doesn't exist except in the feeble memes of edgy basement-dwelling neck-beards.

>>128337180
>Because reproduction is the only outcome of sex, Hans.
>This is first grade stuff.
Yes, most first graders are nihilistic and avoid accounting for actual people in their philosophy. Pair bonding and pleasure are other important outcomes of sex.

>>128313461
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

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>>128333092
>potential

Every piece of food is a potential pile of feces, are you going to treat it as such by flushing the contents of your refrigerator down the toilet?

>>128338753
see: >>128336466
Oh my god how many times must I point out that I'm a Socialist?

>>128339362
still not a person

>>128335003
They're not the ones aborting their babies, it's the white women who advocate for it

>>128332569
>you blamed the GOP for Flint when they have nothing to do with it.
Now we're all laughing at you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/03/republicans-flint-conundrum/

>>128339992
Use archiving

>https://washingtonpost com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/03/republicans-flint-conundrum
https://archive.is/uTOx0

>>128332569
>at least first admit that your statement was factually wrong.
I admit your statement is factually wrong. Happy?

>>128339129
>It does not in any sense that living human being measure it
We know a person exists because we can physically observe and measure their body in real-space. They have a mass, density,volume, and are alive.

>>128338272
Right, but you don't shoot sperm in an egg and a baby just falls out. There's a process, and I'd argue that the moment that process begins is the moment that life is continued. If there's a fallacy in there, please point me to it.
>>128338430
>I don't see why not
Because you lack empathy. Humans have built civilization on more than just test tubes and numbers. Ethics is what keeps people who are stronger than you from shooting you in the head and pillaging your home-- or at least threatening it daily.
>dog = human?
You'd crush a dog's skull for the giggles? It wouldn't surprise me given your initial response and it shouldn't surprise you to hear that most sane people would find that reprehensible
>Sleeping man = noncognitive?
In that state, he desires life about as much as the fetus, the point I was making. Would you shoot him for the giggles? If it was convenient?

>>128313285
As long as people are bitching about abortion, but not giving a fucking penny to actual fucking kids or adults in need, they should be considered virtue signaling hypocrites and be aborted retroactively.

Preferrably with their whole families.

But their true morality shows up even in this thread: one of those faggots unironically considers his home as sacred as his own body, so he could gladly kill his children in his own house, if it wouldn't be restricted.

These people are not only dumb, but also dangerous for the society.

>>128321748
>Overpopulation
Just because you're a misanthrope and 3rd world shit holes have a lot of people doesn't mean the 1st world countries are overpopulated.

>>128340286
>as sacred as his own body
>his
>body
>abortion

are you saying men can have babies?

>>128336532
>I'm still waiting for you to address
No you're not. It's a non issue. Let us know when you have something tangible.

>>128340470
stupid people having children is terrorism

>>128340286
>These people are not only dumb, but also dangerous for the society.

And advocating for the continuation of the 1st or 2nd largest genocide in human history isn't dangerous for society?

>>128340657
If its a non-issue you should be able to refute it.

>>128340649
dang son way to debunk the core of his argument

>>128339608
You are virtue signaling cuck.

If you were Socialist, you would fight abortions with creating good environment for white people to reproduce without risk to their career and income, instead of going a cheap and easy way of "just shame and whine".

Call yourself all you want, you are no better than republicunts, who care about electorate only when they are unborn, dead, or going to vote in the next year.

>>128340877
well when your right, your right

>>128336992
>You just said it isn't alive until born.
I said born or ready to be born. Here's exactly what I said:
>>128325157
>Life begins at birth or when the fetus is viable (can live and breathe on its own)

This is always the problem with rights-grabbing retards, they never read and even when they do, the lack the comprehensions skills to understand the squiggly lines on the screen.

>>128318302

Years you casual

>>128341019
That's on them you fool. White people already have great lives in North America to begin with. They're just constantly giving in to the fear that "having a baby right now would be very bad for our financial situation". Of course I would love it if white people had more children. But they need to fucking wisen up and sacrifice a little bit of money for the welfare of this planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

>>128340649

>are you saying men can have babies?

Thanks for admitting that you have no right in the bitching in the first place, faggot.

Next step: try to differentiate between your health and body and being triggered by your kids.


I am sure, you will be able to become a man out of burger.

>>128341438
Nice dodging of the second half of that post. Now while I have your attention, address the second half, as well as>>128331116
&>>128340216

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>>128339338
Pair bonding and pleasure are not the outcome of sex, they are a side-effect that we humans get out of the act of reproduction (i.e. sex).

This isn't about nihilism, this is about the reality of it, you silly kraut.

>>128339992
>Washington Post
Here's a link for you:

https://www.cityofflint.com/city-council/councilmembers/
>mostly blacks, mostly democrats
>in a democrat state
Why didn't Obama do anything about it then? He's had several years to do something about it. But, off course you're not going to actual give a real answer to this except once again squirm out of the reality of the whole thing. Go on, prove me right.

>>128340132
I'm not sure if this was supposed to be some kind of witty comeback or your retarded denial, but it just makes you sound like a tard.
Better leave the arguments and discussions to the grown-ups if you're going to act like a little brat.

>>128338516
Killing whoever expresses opinions that you don't like is not the same as killing those worthless to any community. But you probably think that even national healthcare is evil terrible communism, so fuck you too.
>>128340470
Overpopulation meme needs to die already. Fertility rate in every developed nation is around 1.5 per woman when you don't count the migrants.

I dont agree with abortion..but I understand things happen. If a woman is so irresponsible that she needs more than one, kill her.. She had her chance at life. Obviously a retard. Let her bloodline die. She's selfish and doesn't give a fuck anyway.

>>128318302
6 weeks max? 24 years max you casual

>>128338059
Bump for the support....

>>128341971
The problem is deeming someone as worthless to any community is your opinion.

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>>128337070
>Again, you're going by the judgement of the law, not science or reality.
False. My evidence is that your age starts at birth and every legal, moral, ethical and social right you have is defined by your age. Never is conception observed as a defining moment in any institution.

For thousands of years the beginning of new life always began at birth. The law, language, culture, history, science and religion all recognized birth as the beginning of life and celebrated it. Just as the Sumerians did 6000 years ago, the Babylonians 4000 years ago, the Egyptians 3000 years ago, the Hebrews 2000 years ago and every society since recognizes birth as the beginning of human being.

How old are you? We've always counted the years and days since you were born, not since that gritty night in the bar's back alley your parents fucked alongside the stinking crates of empty beer bottles.

At the moment I was born, I became alive, became a person, got a birth certificate. citizenship. Sorry you missed that Miracle of Birth moment, but my birthday is coming up so you still have time to get me a gift. For my birthday. Not for the day a sperm fertilized an egg. Not for Fucking Day. My BIRTH day.

>>128341867

>That's on them you fool, but I will have a need to be obliged to put my hypocritical nose into THEIR situation.

> White people already have great lives in North America to begin with.

Wrong statement. Especially now.

>having a baby right now would be very bad for our financial situation

Because it fucking is. For starters, it jeopardizes your career, because most of the bosses don't give a shit about how much kids your cunt will spawn, but he SURELY gives a shit about money he/she can milk out of you.
Secondly, of course, if we're not talking about breeding niggers and chavs, it's a fucking expensive enterprise to have a fucking child and grow it.

That's why middle-class dies out. While wealthy fags and turbosubhumans breed like fucking rabbits.

>But they need to fucking wisen up and sacrifice a little bit of money for the welfare of this planet

Make an example, mate.

>>128342581
see
>>128331664

>>128337070
>How many times do we need to get this through to you?
Repeating a lie endlessly never makes it true to smart people, Herr Goebbels.

t. what is indoctrination by repetition?

>>128339529
I genuinely hope that you didn't think that was a good comparison when you typed that. To entertain you at all would be asinine but I'll do it anyway in hopes that your following reply will either reveal you to be joking or show that you're just a teenager.

Your comparison makes absolutely no sense because you've put value on the word potential rather than the potential value of what you're comparing. Your shit does not have the value of a human life. There is no scenario where you can madlib [noun] potentially becomes [noun] and you're able to call that a valid comparison. Any one thing potentially turning into something else isn't relevant, it is specifically referring to the value of a potential human life.

If you were serious, you may have actually made the dumbest comment I've ever seen in a political discussion.

>>128342581
Again, culture is an illusion. You discover this on Psilocybin Mushrooms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8an2XZ3MU

>>128342901
Oooh yah, I am da evil bisexual Nazi yah, vee vill have good time! Ooooh

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>>128338822
>By this own argument, you concede that abortion is ending human life.
Nice try, but don't be stupid. Cutting off your arm isn't ending human life. Biology simply treats cell meiosis and mitosis with equal respect.

>>128341971
>Killing whoever expresses opinions that you don't like is not the same as killing those worthless to any community.
But if children who are being born to parents who can't support kids should be aborted, then those people are worthless to that community, no?

And what if the people expressing those opinions ARE worthless to the community? Then what happens?

>But you probably think that even national healthcare is evil terrible communism, so fuck you too.
The only thing I think is that you're a dumb Russian.

>>128343599
The difference is that the dismemberment you propose doesn't outright destroy the individual's body, whereas abortion does.

>>128340283
>Ethics is what keeps people who are stronger than you from shooting you in the head... or at least threatening it daily
That's the law, actually. Criminals aren't usually too involved in ethics.
>You'd crush a dog's skull for the giggles?
Nope. However, if the deal was either carry a dog in my body for 9 months while it developed or crush it's skull, I'd do it in a second.
>In that state, he desires life about as much as the fetus
I disagree. The concept of desire is completely unknown to the fetus. It is less than an animal.
>Would you shoot him for the giggles?
Probably not
>If it was convenient?
How convenient?

>>128343955
>You'd crush a dog's skull for the giggles?
>Nope. However, if the deal was either carry a dog in my body for 9 months while it developed or crush it's skull, I'd do it in a second.
Or you could just not do whatever it is that would put that dog in your body for nine months?

But obviously you would choose to crush its skull than to actually make smart decisions for yourself that would prevent such an outcome since you are incapable of making those kinds of conscious decisions with your life.

>>128313285
90th trimester not joking

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>>128340283
>I'd argue that the moment that process begins is the moment that life is continued
Sure, and I get the idea that that this microscopic change is a new direction, but at the same time, it is all for naught if it doesn't proceed to term. 50% of all pregnancies miscarry. This is literally a process of elimination that ensures only the best K-selected ever make it out of the womb.

In biology we call the woman's egg an amniotic sac. It doesn't have a hard calcium shell like hatching animals do, but it is literally an egg. The fetus is submerged in the amniotic fluid until birth/hatching just like any other egg. It's literally an egg until the day the woman's "water" breaks. And that's when the fetus dramatically changes from a submerged organism to a living, breathing human being in our world. The ductus venosus and hepatic portal vein suddenly close off. The lungs begin to open and the skin is exposed to air. It really is the miracle that this egg hatches and this thing becomes alive.

A sperm interacting with an egg is nothing compared to this.

>>128341908
>Nice dodging of the second half of that post.
Can't disprove what you can never prove. Besides, you'll change your mind once you pass eighth grade science.

>>128342883
>see
>>>128331664
All the more reason not to radically move the goalposts to celebrate your parents fucking day rather than just your birthday. Thanks for proving my point

>>128346183
>And that's when the fetus dramatically changes from a submerged organism to a living, breathing human being in our world.
They are alive before the water breaks. That is a fact. Nourishment and time for development is all that's required for the person's body to fully develop. Their body physically comes into existence at conception.

>>128340649
Stop being transphobic, it's 2017!
>>128342535
If you are not able to work and will never be able to work, then you are worthless to the state. I might be okay with the idea of a particular community having the right to support otherwise worthless individuals for personal satisfaction (like, parents of an autistic child who want to raise him anyway), but they shouldn't be able to get any help from the society as a whole (the autist should not be entitled to any disability benefits, healthcare, education or protection).
>>128343748
Children of parents who can't support kids should be taken by those willing to adopt or raised by national institutions, provided the children could become future workers.
I understand your concerns, but when the only measure of worth is defined as real or potential ability to be self-sufficient and productive, it should be pretty hard to manipulate it to shut down political opponents as communist tyrants did.

>>128343219
>Again, culture is an illusion.
Birth can't be when our lives began because nothing is real? Is this really the only "argument" you have?

Next!

>>128347028
The fact that something is difficult to measure doesn't change the fact of it happening, retard.

>>128346551
It is very possible and within our power to prove the existence of one's body within their mother's womb. We do it routinely to check on the progress of the pregnancy.

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>>128343889
>the dismemberment you propose doesn't outright destroy the individual's body, whereas abortion does.
Catch 22. The "individual" does not own the body until birth and it becomes an individual.

>>128346183
>all those liberal mental gymnastics

Oh my god, who cares if it's technically an egg before birth? It still lives, experiences consciousness at a certain point, and negating that will only bring you down dark roads. I know that progressivism is literally experimental at this point, but with experiment come mistakes. You can talk all that jive, but you're still murdering a human being. It isn't good man. It's wrong. It's time for us to reflect on the mistakes of our progress rather than the positive results. Look at this again through other eyes, through the person you're going to murder. Even if they don't live a perfect life, they would still choose to live it. They still have the right to navigate what experience itself is like, especially considering the possibility that there isn't an afterlife.

>>128347610
Wrong. It is their's and belongs to no one else. You are admitting also that this is a human's body. Everyone has the right to their own.

>>128313285
6 weeks. That is when the first electrical impulses in the brain start.

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>>128347118
>They are alive before the water breaks. That is a fact.
That's your opinion. The only fact here is that you can't discern between a fact and an opinion.

>Their body physically comes into existence at conception
Nice opinion but it is contradicted by literally thousands of years of everything else.

>>128347268
Oh my god I didn't say "nothing is real". I'm saying culture is an ILLUSION. Just because tradition has it that life is celebrated and begins at birth, doesn't make it true. Assuming you're a liberal and you're fairly against tradition because of the negativity of conservatism that's brought with it, you should know this.

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>>128347310
>The fact that something is difficult to measure doesn't change the fact of it happening, retard.
Tell that to the theists who reject cosmological inflation.

>>128313285
fragile
like a baby in your arms

be gentle with me id never willingly do harm

apologies are all you seem to get from me

its a question of lust
its a question of trust
its a question love and the one we've built up crumbled to dust

>>128348231
>muh opinions!
Their body is reproducing, responding to stimuli and metabolizing. You are categorically wrong mr.premed.

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>>128347889
>you're still murdering a human being.
Wow, this is apparently a real easy way to get the profoundly stupid to identify themselves.

>>128347974
>You are admitting also that this is a human's body.
It's an organism. The body is full of them. It's nothing special until it is viable and ready to be born.

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>>128348739
Your one-liners lack substance. I've provided argument for why an individuals life begins at conception and all you can do is post image macros.

>>128348967
A human organism. Stop dancing around it. The 'organism' is the unique individual's body in its earliest stages of life.