GMOs Are Poison

Because people are retarded and think "genetic" = science = chemical = poison

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>>128305239

Invasive Species & Also have DNA of other things spliced into them.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>128307246
go back to larping in planetside frank

>>128307246
Frank more like FAG lmao

>>128307246
I heard you got doxxed. Are you still good to go man? You compromised?

Keep fighting the good fight anon

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>>128307246
frankie BOIIII

>>128307751
THICC

>>128307366
>>128307588

I don't larp & I'm not the one that got doxxed.

>>128307643

They doxxed the incorrect person & are now trying to do a mass discredit campaign based on a connection that doesn't exist.

>>128307814
>I don't larp
Surely you can use your magic "database" to dox us then.

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>>128307814
fraaaaaank just leave

>>128305239
That's pesticides not GMOs you retard. Both should be labelled.

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http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/frank/
Geg of utmost altitude

>>128307871

Already did a while ago, This whole mass shilling operation has made things very easy.

>>128307967

I'm not the guy you doxxed.

Have you turned into a Cult?

That's a pesticide. In a concentrated form as he is spraying on those plants, it would be harmful to humans. However, that stream becomes diluted as it is spread across multiple plants, and it evaporates before the plants are sold in stores. You're not eating a stream of pesticides.

Incidentally, GMOs go through food safety regulations, and the benefits (larger yields) outweigh the costs ("eww, I'm eating a plant with some other species' DNA in it!")

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Because of Dr. Seralini's study.

The Jews even redacted his article and pulled his credentials. Experiment was 100% sound.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637

>>128308321
maybe wanna join the cult of frank?
also why do yyou feel the need to attention whore your trip in every single thread

>>128308321
>I'm not the guy you doxed
He says after buhleeting all his accounts where he posted the same LARPing with the same poor grasp of english
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/abit/

>>128307814
It's almost like they're following a play-by-play on 'how to smear someone's credibility'. You must be doing good work then they don't want you talking, you pissed someone off lol

>>128305239
Literally not bad for you. I rather have GMO plants then have them die from infestation of insects which would in the long run cripple the economy you faggot

>>128305239
he's spraying for bugs idiot

>>128308533
>reddit the post

>>128305239
organic plants get more fertilizer than gmo plants do. stay mad scrub.

>>128305239
they arent

>>128308466
thats why humans are breaking out with tumors everywhere right? bullshit.

>>128308513

I'm just posting in the threads like everyone else.

>>128308516

The Fanboy found out he got doxxed. He watches my posts all the time.

>>128305239
I am studying to become a dietitian ..nutritionally they are the same. They can have both negitive and positive effects on the environment. One negitive effect could be the creation of super bugs / resistant speices, but this happens with regular non gmo as well.

GMOs is too vague. It depends what you put into them. They can be bad or good.

>>128305239
GMO plants are sustained with dihydrogen monoxide, a chemical that causes iron to rust.

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>>128305239
I hope to fucking god this is a troll pic.

>>128308466
He toke rats that were prone to tumors you retard, and didn't have any pics of the control..

>>128308466
That study was retracked...there is not current evidence to say gmos cause cancer.. they used rats already prone to cancer and overfed them..and overeating is a cause of cancer as well as obesity - nutrition student here

>>128305239
>>128305239

GMOs contain higher levels of OPisafagitons than organic vegetables , which has been shown to increase rates of cancer, like this post.

KYS

>>128305239
implying that is water

>>128308864
no your posting your trip in every thread which could be considered as avatar fagging becuase it looks like a signature on every one of you posts read the fucking rules

>>128305239
They need the suit bc of the high level of pestisides.. the levels increase as insects evolve to combat them and eat the crops

>>128305239
They aren't inherently bad but a go-to example that a lot of anti-GMO people have is with Monsanto engineering strains of corn that are reliant on Roundup and create a monopoly where farmers are forced to buy Monsanto's seeds or else have anemic crops that can't compete. This then creates a precarious situation in which a blight could develop for that particular strain and suddenly no one has any corn and everyone's starving to death.

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>>128305239
Tell you what those pesticides will make you mad though.
I've worked in the growing business a while now, especially with the indoor stuff. Every guy I've met that's sprayed that shit is a little slow. It makes them talk like autistic retards. Even in myself I feel a little weird after a full day in a tunnel after them spraying it.

>>128308321
I always thought about what I'd say if I got doxxed on here and the whole "you got the wrong guy" excuse was the best I could think of too.

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>>128305239
That's not a GMO that's pesticides you fucking tool.
What are you sliding?

>>128309319

I did read the rules, that's how I learned of how Tripcodes worked in the first place.

No rules are being broken.

I'm not the one that doxxed a random person, made memes out of it, taking part of group shilling/targeting & doing this all to go after another person because what they post isn't something I like.

>>128309503
This. The hippies are wasting their time crying about GMO's when the pesticides is the real issue.

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>>128307246

>>128309589

No excuses being used.

They doxxed the incorrect person that has non existent connections.

>>128309628
when you post this
http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6

on every single posts you have that is a signature to your post and avatar fagging is agiants the rules i swear to fuck im going to hop on the irc and start a ticket with a mod

>>128309777
>igblying
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/128171381

>>128309777
just make your own thread for fucks sake man

>>128305239
who knew that industrial farming required a sterile environment to minimalise rot and contamination from human sources???????!!!!!!!

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https://forums.daybreakgames.com/ps2/index.php?threads/there-is-a-link-between-the-rise-of-infantryside-and-the-downfall-of-the-games-popularity.242027/
>DOUBLE IGBLYING

>>128308609
>points out that this is similar to something that's happened before
>r-redit

Sure reddit is a cancer, but they're barely above shills like you.

>>128305239
They aren't bad.

>>128309373
>evolution
Here we go with your Jew "science"
Did you know Jews can't eat gmos. Best you keep eating them goyim

>>128308798
Gluten allerby is directly cause by roundup, and 99% of GMO crops are made so they can not be killed by roundup.

>>128305239
> conflating pesticides and herbicides with GMO's
> doesnt know shit about agriculture

theres nothing "wrong" with GMO's as a class, but some implementations of this technology have been shit, while others have been highly useful

thus far only Roundup Resistance has proven commercially useful
Protip: resistance to roundup doesnt mean roundup is required.

if you dont have a weed problem, then you dont need to apply roundup, because the resistance is only RESISTANCE, not immunity.

use of glyphosate always damages your crop to some (considerable) degree, and if you can avoid it's use you get better yields every single time.

Bonus Protip:
roundup is usually applied pre-emergence (after sowing, but before the seeds have popped up) and in the middle of the grow cycle to knock down persistent weeds

once the crop is fully established, further applications of glyphosate are usually counterproductive and a waste of money

Super Bonus Protip:
glyphosate degrades rapidly after application, in less than a week after application it is undetectable save by the most sensitive lab tests.

>>128309806

It's not a signature/avatar. It's Just a link.

Also I don't put it on every single post.

>>128309876

You guys went all in on a Wild Goose Chase.

>>128305239
Thinking a lable would stop people from eating things... you realize cigarettes say you will die or get cancer and people suck them down.

>>128310109
as one anon said yesterday
"if you cant spot a larper how are you going to spot the jews"
sort yourself out

>>128310241
>I swear it's not me stop looking please I'm totally legit
You still haven't posted what watch I'm wearing btw.

>>128310182
http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf

>>128310241
dude just make a knowledge bomb thread and this will stop i promise you that or else were both going to look like asshats derailing every thread we go into

>>128308334
>food safety regulations
kek, all these groups are compromised.

Pol is so fucking dumb.
Won't drink tap water because the jews put chemicals in it that turn the fucking drugs gay but genetically modified food is just fine be cuz science has never done anything wrong ever.

>>128310589
>Turn the fucking drugs gay
Robb?

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>>128305239
That guy is obviously spreading pesticides. Who in the fuck would water anything like that? Especially in a greenhouse that 100% of the times has built in irrigation systems?
Whoever made that picture has absolutely 0 clue about agriculture.

>>128310589
To be fair, /pol/ isn't one person.
But the other part I agree with. I don't know how anyone can trust GMO food because the people in charge of it are probably crooked and don't have your best health interests in mind.

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>>128305239
The primary concern is rarely the manipulated genes themselves, but rather the manipulation of genes in order to increase pesticide application.
Studies have not shown that increased application of pesticides/ use of GMO crops have increased output. It's important because the whole "We need to feed the world, so you have to put up with us killing some of you" mantra they spread is clearly bullshit if it doesn't increase output. Studies are showing that crop rotation and the pre-industrialization methods small scale farmers have developed over the years are still the best way to grow. The moronic idea behind Monsanto's drive here is to apply as many pesticides as possible without killing the plant. More pesticides used the more money in their pockets.
Also and importantly, Evidence is mounting that the ever decreasing bee population is a result of widespread pesticide application.
Read a summary of a study that indicated glycophate/ roundup can be found in most American waterways. This further increases problems because humans have nasty rxns like cancer to exposure. Next problem is failure to rotate crops and heavy handed pesticides turns fertile farms into desert wastelands.
But I hear they're working on drone pollinators and that'll be cool, ya know for when they kill all the bees and we can no long grow plants that must be cross pollinated to bear fruit.
Control the food supply you control the world.

>>128310346

Atleast you are wearing something. One of the Shills that I encountered months ago looked like Jabba ate the "400 pound hacker".

>>128310463

That's what I've been trying to do these past few days......

>>128310589
More like the shills work double-time on defending GMO food because it's a more important aspect of (((their))) plans than fluoridated water is.

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>>128310988
>Still no evidence
:3

>>128310782
Because the argument in favor is shit. It's like saying breathing 70% nitrogen air of our atmosphere is dangerous. What the fuck is the mechanism? I am very curious.
Now, if it stopped at "well, I am not sure how it would be harmful, but why would you trust (((them)))?'' I could understand, but usually it doesn't stop there and as it turns out the people peddling it are very convinced of their pseudo scientific explanations. It's like 9/11 truthers thinking jet fuel has a "burning temperature".

>>128310988
make a thread rignt now and i will not post in it. im fine with you doing kbs but posting your trip in every thread is fucking annoying dude

>>128311251
Ay don't worry bby I'll post in it for you.

>>128307998
While they're aren't the same. The primary purpose of creating GMOs is to increase pesticides. There isn't nearly as much $$ in a banana that won't brown as wide scale pesticide sales.
Currently nearly every city, town and farmer is giving them money. Farmers that don't seem to be getting sued
Fuk I missed the Frank thing. I hate it when that happens.

>>128305239
Sry gmo is good

>>128305239
There's very little actual evidence that GMO crops offer any benefit at all compared to non-GMO.

No yield increase is why countries like India have banned GMO crops because they never lived up to any of their claims.

And meanwhile the one thing they are good at, absorbing pesticides, is literally killing our population.

Ever wonder why Monsanto serves non-GMO organic in their employee cafeteria?

>>128308334
Right because eating years of pesticides and drinking contaminated water have no effect.
Let me guess you're eating McDonalds right now.

>>128311280
i mean i cant speak for this goy but i will stop following you around. plus i want to watch animne so this is getting annoying

>>128310970
>>128311390
Yeah this is more what I am worried about. Aren't some of your farms subsidized anyways? You should have farmer farming strictly the "natural" patent free seeds even with shit yields just so that we have shittones of the natural seeds if they try to jew us completely.

>>128311578
I do believe the cumulative intake of chemicals in our food and water has had a huge effect on physical and mental development in people. The estrogen mimickers in plastics alone has led to effeminization of men.

>>128308562
There are non chemical methods of dealing. Bugs won't cripple the economy. On what wackado meme did you read that?
Factory farming is detrimental to the health of everyone.

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>>128311578
>Not drinking pesticides and sewage to build up your resistance
>Making it

>>128311674
I think you're mistaken, I'm Anon6. I only speak the truth and I'm better than Frank because my number is larger.

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>>128305239
pesticide spray isnt genetic modification

>>128311524
I'll need some sources on your bullshit claims.
>find them yourself huuuur
This is why the quality of chan discussion went down.

You wouldn't be doing grunt work if you were smart.

>>128310438
>http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf
a worthless screed by a leftist fearmongering academic
i cant even be bothered to read such trash.

i already demolished the weak bullshit from OP (who simply cant stop sucking cocks), and i made some direct claims.

address my assertions or fuck off with your idiotic attempt at a stalking horse.

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>>128311876
>Bugs won't cripple the economy
GEE I WONDER WHO'S BEHIND THIS POST

>>128311878
can you keep following him around im going to watch eromanga sensei

>>128312031
>The pope is a weeaboo
Saved to my insider info file in THE DATABASE

>>128311898
Monsanto engineered plants that are immune to their roundabout pesticide spray, fairly common knowledge

>>128312106
DATABASE
DATABASE
WE ARE LIVING IN THE DATABASE

>>128311912
http://modernfarmer.com/2016/10/wait-second-gmo-crops-dont-actually-reduce-pesticide-use-produce-food/

This has been common knowledge for years now faggot

>>128311103

That guy was close to generating his own gravity. While I don't like how you were sliding my threads, alteast you are in decent shape.

>>128311280
>>128311251

Notice something?

We are actually having a conversation.

The KB threads have several goals.(Get Information out, a place to research it & a discussion/conversation thread involving various topics covered in previous KB threads and the current one).

Look, if you think I'm a Larp that's fine & you can swing by the threads or not just to check it out, but I'm not that Fanboy that was doxxed.

>>128305239
The GMO topic is one of the MOST shilled topics by far. That alone should tell you all you need to know.

Not to mention all the studies that show eating a diet of GMO corn/soy leads to death and disease.

The shills like to make a distinction between pesticides and GMO crops. But what's the difference when 99.99% of GMO crops are, down to the molecule, full of pesticides.

And you don't need to be an agri-shill to know that round-up or other pesticides are literally poison.

But don't take it from me, you can listen to a Monsanto employee directly.

https://youtu.be/ovKw6YjqSfM

>>128305239
They aren't bad. You can't incorporate the modified DNA via digestion. It's like 1000000 years of evolution with intelligent design in less than 1 year.

>>128312210
roundup*

>>128312300
Still waiting for a picture of me, my location, and the watch I'm wearing. Prove us all wrong and dox me with your database.

>>128307643
>Tripfag
>Implying he doesnt deserve to be doxxed

https://www.rt.com/usa/386858-monsanto-hired-trolls-court/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/20ni1b/monsanto_shills_are_the_worst_and_most_prevalent/?st=j3hq2g4p&sh=541e1c33

>>128312295
That's not what he claimed though you complete moron. Most of them aren't meant to do that, they're meant to increase the plant's resistance to pesticide so farmers can use more. Is that a good thing? Long term, probably not.
But again, that's not what he claimed, you fucking moron.

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>>128308798
>>128308997
>>128309093
>>You

http://www.gmoseralini.org/ten-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-seralini-study/

>>128309628
>>128310241

You're still a massive faggot
Fuck off tripfag

>>128312300
well thats fine but this right here is not a KB thread its somebody elses and its being derailed by you me and that other guy. like i said im fine with whatever you do and ive been in your threads since the begging posting a roll pic or two but man just keep it to a thread instead off hopping all ovber the board posting a 4plebs link to your previous posts.

and i cant speak for any other anons cause this is 4chan but if you keep to your own devices i will stop following you around

>>128305239
They aren't bad.
Pesticides are toxic in varying levels, but GMO actually reduces their use. That image is idiotic, it's not like he's spraying genetically modified water, what would that even mean.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111629

"On average, GM technology adoption has reduced chemical pesticide use by 37%, increased crop yields by 22%, and increased farmer profits by 68%. Yield gains and pesticide reductions are larger for insect-resistant crops than for herbicide-tolerant crops."

>>128311719
Well some have tried problem is that if they are getting sued and forced out of business in droves BY MONSANTO.
The argument is that Monsanto is selling terminator seeds and gmo seeds and those things are patent protected. Wind happens. Especially in a dust bowl. So some GMO stragglers are blown into neighboring organic/anti-Monsanto farms. Monsanto does DNA testing, located "their seed" in a neighbors crop and sues re patent infringement and other garbage. It's completely unintentional, farmer doesn't want them at all, still they've lost their case and everything they own. Monsanto wants a monopoly and thanks to heavy handed political donations they're getting it.

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>>128312480
>reddit
OH WOW I can't wait to hear what REDDIT has to say.
The rt one is more disturbing tough.

>>128305239
They are not

>>128311912
I'd be shilling this topic hard too if i was a spineless useful idiot. Because the alternative is recognizing the fact that these agri/chemical companies are guilty of mass murder.

Don't worry though little shill, you won't be the first to hang.

Don't be fucking stupid. The only bad thing about GMOs is some being engineered to survive extreme pesticides. And that's not the plant that's bad. It's the fucking pesticide. GMOs are fucking great, it's an extremely valuable field of research.

>>128310970
> manipulation of genes in order to increase pesticide application
youre retarded.

pesticides are expensive and do NOT increase your crop yeild
they only reduce damage to your crop by... PESTS!
if you dont have a pest problem you dont spray for it you dipshit.
do you put on your car in the shop when you ARENT having car trouble?
do you plunge your toilet when it is NOT backed up?
do you call the cops when youre NOT having a problem with tyrone?


nobody wants to use MORE of them, because they cost money and dont turn a profit, they only protect your current investment when it is suffering damage

of course you werent talking about pesticides because plants arent harmed by pesticides and thus need no "resistance" to them
you mean herbicides like glyphosae but are too stupid to know the difference

again, the same rules apply.
nobody wants to use MORE expensive shit that doesnt make your crops grow.
you use glyphosate to kill weeds so they dont wreck your harvest

glyphosate resistance is like putting on a bullet proof vest before you go into detroit, you hope you dont need to test it's effectiveness, but if you do, it helps you survive so you can return fire on tyrone

>>128312757
>Monsanto does DNA testing, located "their seed" in a neighbors crop and sues re patent infringement and other garbage
I have heard that before but couldn't find a court case, it was a while ago though. Certainly something that could happen in the future.

>>128311898
True but the engineering is primarily for that because that is where the money is. No corp is going to waste millions to sell an orange that tastes like berries. The money is selling pesticides and creating a market for them.

>>128312918
Where are you planting that doesn't have a pest problem?

>>128305239
>tfw worked for Monsanto for 3 years
They're scummy cunts with Chink-level shitty business practices, but they aren't poisoning you or sterilising the white race.

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>>128305239
shills will tell you that GMOs (trans-genic) are perfectly ok because it's "more precise" than cross breeding.

they actually conflate domesticated crops with transgenically engineered ones designed produce their own pecticide and resist spray-on pesticide.

black science man is a good example of this.
HOL UP HOL UP THEY AINT NO WILD STRAWBERRIES NIGGA.
EAT GMOZ, IM SCIENTIFIC N SHIET. TRUST ME, NIGGUH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ecT2CaL7NA

>>128312865
>Yeah, dousing all our food with poison is great
Ever wonder why the ultra wealthy only eat non-GMO organic?

>>128312536
The whole point of increasing pesticide resistance is to decrease crop loss due to pests and thus increase yields. Studies have shown it doesn't work. Why would you pay for extra pesticides to use if it doesn't increase yield?

>>128312947
the court case exists but critics say the farmer actually planted the GMO seeds and didn't pay the share.

>>128312759
They shill reddit and they shill here.

>>128312836
So no evidence, top fucking kek
>ILL FUCKING HANG YOU REEEEEE
Oh boy you're going to fite me IRL though guy? Will you be flying the kekistani flag?

You want to have me BTFO? Post your sources. The reason I am "shilling" is because idiots like you bring down the quality of discussion.

>>128313103
Ooooh... the shills are getting scared.

You admit to being a Monsanto employee.

When you and your bosses have been found guilty of mass murder, what will go through your mind as you step up onto the gallows?

>>128311719
> idiot conspiracy fag canadian worried about agriculture because he doesnt know shit about farming, and doesnt know any farmers to ask

nobody forces you to grow GMO crops, and there are very few commercially viable GMO cultivars to start with dumbass.

pretty much just soya and cotton, and soya is a conglomerate farm crop that only turns a profit from the subsidy while cotton is NOT FOOD.

name a single GMO food currently under tillage in the US or canada
just one.

>>128305239
>1 post
much shillin' tonight boyos?

>>128313400

epic larping my man

>>128312668

I usually do just focus on the thread that I make.

Also, I don't mind having discussions in other threads for the most part & I've covered topics relating to the thread topics I reply to.

>>128312430

The NSA already knows all of that & they are separate from my Database.

>>128313549
>Threaten to dox people
>Say you can see them IRL and all their internet activity
>Can't post a shred of proof after three weeks
Go back to planetside, frank.

>>128313303
>Shills admitting they're shills
Go drink some roundup you shill faggot

>>128313454
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_sugar_beet

>>128313683

you need to take a break from /pol/ m8 im serious

>>128313549
well at any rate you should just make your own thread and ill stop for now cause i have anime to watch. just try to be less annoying a5

>>128305239
Biochemist here. There is nothing wrong with GMOs. There is everything wrong with GMO business. Patenting genomes and the shortcuts they take to grow the crops are bad. GMOs are not.

>>128313852
GMO/Linux when

>>128312210
> immune
glyphosate resistance is NOT immunity you moron. your feilds take a huge hit when you use it post emergence, so it is used sparingly and not at all if possible
> roundabout
it's trade name is ROUNDUP you dolt.
> pesticide
its an HERBICIDE you blithering idiot
> common knowledge
so common that you didnt need to google some shit just to make sure you werent making an ass of yourself....
well look who has proven himself to be a fool, a catamite and a bottom boy for the lefty spin machine
> actual retard detected.

next time, dont spew shit about things which you are woefully ignorant of

>>128313400
I wish you were right. I really wish you were, because they should start with Canada.

>>128313156
I was just addressing the first part, I was reading the second part about static yields meanwhile. Of course it's to increase yield, because less of your crops get eaten by pests (if you're in an area where it's a big problem). In turn it makes the company selling both the seed and the the pesticide.

>>128308777
This
Gmos are fine
B-but its spliced with jellyfishhhhh wahh
Yeah and when you eat thanksgiving meal you're stuffing your fat mouth with a shit ton of different ingredients at once too

>>128313683
I was not talking about the roundup, faggot.

>>128305239
They are a threat for insects. Here is the scenario:

The bug resistance gene of GMOs leaks over to other plants. Plants in the wild spread without control and they would have the resistance in them. Then bugs, bees, butterflies would die eating the plants.

Possibly the insects would slowly adapt to this toxin though and could survive. At that stage the pests can return from the forests and cripple your plants.

>>128305239
Really depends on what the modification is. Some are benign and no different than what could be achieved by old fashioned crossbreeding, some fundamentally alter the plants' phytochemistry to the point that you've created a whole new plant.

>>128306829
In the case of the most prolific GMO crops (wheat and soy) the modification is herbicide/pesticide resistance, so they're sort of right.

>>128313776
>I don't like being confronted with uncomfortable truths like the fact that giant multinational agri companies are literally poisoning the population
Aww, is sweetums getting uncomfortable? Maybe you should take a break from the internet?

>>128313852
Are you saying there's no way GMO technology could be abused and implemented in a way that could be harmful to people? Or are you simply trusting that would never happen?

>>128312918
Fuck off shill, your king will be the first to die you traitor.

>>128311390
Why would you want a banana that won't brown? They're not even good until they're spotty. Without the visual cue, how will I know when it's time to eat them? I eat like 30 bananas/week, so it matters to me.

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>>128314088
BEHOLD
PLUMS OF THE PATRIOTS

>>128313454
Lol so I am getting called a conspiracy fag from one side and a shill from the other. >>128313683

I didn't say there was a conspiracy moron, I conceded the possibility of future abuse. Have you ever heard about monopolies?

>>128313784

I've been trying to make my own thread for days now & have a good one.

>>128313641

In the 60-80's special watches were developed that could short-circuit things ranging from buildings to Armored Vehicles.

While you don't have that type of Watch, I would recommend keeping the glass clean.

>>128313103
Yes they are faggot. open your eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od3NE0y3LkQ&t=1484s&list=FLEKOuO4tCAqYUb1iKd6NFAg&index=78

>>128314088
I am saying GMOs as a concept are completely fine. The concept doesn't imply good or bad. Companies like Monsanto do abuse the system, but no, there isn't a danger to public health by consuming GMO foods so long as the regulatory bodies continue to exist and publish the data regarding the foods. We have done thousands of studies that show GMO foods are broken down and digested the same as non-GMO foods. DNA and RNA get broken down to the same products regardless of the genome they originated from.

>>128309395
sounds like the free market

>>128314228
>Still nothing specific
Also, you appear to have no idea what the term "short circuit" means.

>>128314071
That's more of an argument against pesticides and herbicides though.

It was either that, or not enough crops.

>>128313015
> doesnt know about Crop Rotatiton
> doesnt know about non-chemical pest remediation
> doesnt know about the use of buffer crops and synergistic planting

wanna stop root gall nematodes?
dont plant brassicas or solanums in the same field twice in a row

wanna stop aphids?
sprinkle your fields with $10/acre worth of ladybugs once a year

got a leaf roller problem?
plant marigolds under your drupe trees

100% pest extermination is not the goal.
maximum harvest for minimum expense is the goal dipshit.

>>128313156
our taxes subsidize GMO crops which is why corn and soy can be sold for less than the cost of production and why corn and soy derived products are stuffed into every imaginable place.

it's keynsian economics at its worst.
it's a huge scam created to enslave the farmer, control the food supply, poison the consumer, and make money off of every possible externality along the way

>>128312918
Monsanto doesn't want to sell more glycosphate? Pests are only cured through sprays? The only cure for this level of stupid is for someone to force fuck your eye sockets til the eye gel squishes out your nose. Because only then do I feel that anyone will be able to adequately stimulate the 2 pound, mouldy lump situated within a misshapen, soft spot having skull that could come up with some nonsense like this and spend time writing it out.
You cannot possibly be this fukn dead ass stupid. I refuse to believe it.

A corporations primary goal is to make money. If they aren't doing that the board of directors can be sued. You speak English and seem to bear a monocrum of reasoning potential yet you still think that Monsanto is anyone's friend.
(More white noise for Senpai)

>>128314329
I don't have faith in these regulatory bodies to be objective and incorruptible. I've seen enough shenanigans by the FDA with regards to sugar and aspartame to not trust regulatory bodies.

>>128314409
That is, unless you're implying you can do it through physical contact. In that case, I'd love to see how chunky something that could "short circuit" a whole building would be.

>>128314533
That's great because they don't have to be for the system to work fine. Independent organizations verify these results. Are you one of those idiots who think aspartame causes cancer? Because that also isn't true.

>>128313156
Yeah I have read the new york times thing and it seems legitimate (could just have linked that but whatever). Interesting, thanks.

>>128312947
There are many cases. Look in Nebraska, Kansas etc.
there are some very decent documentaries Out there.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents

>>128314875
No shekels today

>https://theguardian com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents
https://archive.is/8n5S3

>>128314329
>>128313852
the shills think we're too stupid to notice when that the "regulatory bodies" are stuffed with Monsanto execs and industry lobbyists and insiders

>>128305239
GMOs are not bad. They're extremely useful and are the future. Hell, they're the present, how do you think diabetics get their insulin? It's from GMO bacteria that have been modified to produce human insulin.

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>>128308533
Nice try frank.

>>128314904
Hey how did you make an alarm to alert you to clickbait?

>>128314412
Where there's smoke there tends to be fire. Banning GMOs like some leftists want would be overkill, but requiring labeling would put the consumer on notice. Producers might even willingly disclose what was actually modified, at least for benign stuff.

>>128314967
They are now due to political corruption, not scientific. The science is verified independently. None of what we know about enzymatic breakdown of nucleic acids suggest an issue. This can be verified independently and is constantly done so.

Also crying "shill" at anyone who shows they understand the concept makes you seem childish.

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>>128310311
It's going down... Labeling started in 1966, however in the case of smoking it was because of medical consensus of its dangers and not because of hippies

>>128312757
We really need to ban patenting of genetic code. It leads to nothing but problems.

>>128314165
Bad example I suppose. Just trying to think of one on the fly.

>>128315190
It should also be noted that the cigarettes were subjected to an actual tax around that time

>By 1969, all U.S. states, the District of Columbia and the territories had implemented cigarette taxes. Several cities such as Chicago and New York City have also implemented their own citywide cigarette taxes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_taxes_in_the_United_States

>>128314500
and poison our water, I've seen FL become a disaster in 10 short years

>>128314666
if the shill is getting defensive about something, you can be sure the "conspiracy theory" is true

when will Trump start the investigations into the poisoning of our food supply?

>>128314666
And why would I trust satan?
Independent organizations also said sugar was perfectly healthy and not responsible for obesity and diabetes many moons ago.
Same with studies on the effects of smoking.

>>128314504
>Monsanto doesn't want to sell more glycosphate?

> Pests are only cured through sprays?

please point out where i made either of these two absurd assertions

youre a retard.

>>128315205
Probably true. If we get to a point where only GMO, self pollinators can grow, patent holders run the world.
Also Implications for humans becoming property of a corporation are daunting. Limited now but they own Congress. It can't be that unreasonable a fear.

>>128315419
Great talking to you too, dude. Want me to explain how we make GMO bacterial species to you since I'm here? It was my research focus in undergraduate. I did work on the citric acid cycle enzymes.

>>128315516
Sugar is perfectly healthy. You literally need glucose to survive. Excessive sugar consumption is bad. This has always been the case. There also is a type of diabetes that isn't caused by obesity you idiot. Type 1 diabetes is not because you're fat.

>>128305239
It creates sterile seeds that companies can sue if they blow and grow into another field. Takes food production out of the public's hands.

>>128305239

It ain't. People are just retarded and got their information on how genes work from what they see in movies.

"Oh noes, eating genetically modified food will mutate my genes like in Spiderman!!!!11345@"

>>128315179
Please shill, tell us who funds these "independent organizations"?

I'm glad you admit that the regulatory bodies have been subverted by the industry.

Now tell us, why wouldn't they do the same to these "independent organizations"?

The answer is that these "independent organizations" are obvious industry front groups.

>>128307751
>white

>>128314151
> shill
im a farmer you faggot, not a shill

> your king
who would that be?
moron.

monsanto has an agenda: to sell their shit and turn a profit

farmers have a similar agenda dumbass.
the two groups dont act in concert

i want to maximize my harvest while spending as little as possible on pesticides and herbicides, monsanto offers crop cultivars that can resist the effects of glyphosate so you CAN use it if you need it, the plants dont require it.

ammo manufacturers sell ammo so you CAN use it if you need it, they do NOT send tyrone to your house to force you to use their products.
tyrone has his own agenda, ammo manufacturers simply sell an expedient solution to tyrone

like all pests, if you dont have tyrone problems, you dont have to use ammo.
if you dont have aphids, you dont need Sevin
if you dont have weed issues, you dont need glyphosate
but in all 3 cases it's good to have the appropriate tools in your kit, just in case.

>>128315915
My university had a group working on GMO safety literally in the lab next door to mine. They were funded by a Japanese research group unaffiliated with the United States food industry. You can't just cry SHILLLLL at everyone, there are blatant examples of independent entities doing research in every field. Literally step into a research lab of any university. Hundreds of projects that are independent and either non-affiliated funding or self funded.

>>128308321
>abit

>>128315714
>>128316172
Shocking to find out someone spewing industry talking points is himself a dependent of that very industry.

You shills need to work on your game, you're too transparent.

>>128314875
> sign contract that states clearly you will NOT replant seeds from your harvest after planting monsanto cultivars
> save seeds after harvest to re-plant monsanto cultivars in direct violation of said contract
> get sued.
you only RENT monsanto seeds dumbass. it's in the contract.
youre an idiot.
if you lease an apartment and after your lease is up you dont vacate or pay rent, what happens to you?

if you buy a ticket to a movie and after the picture you stay in the megaplex and go to a different movie without a ticket, what happens to you?

>>128316484
I literally just said my research was not in any way funded by the food industry, you insufferable faggot.

>>128310988
im not sure how you got doxxed or anything on this story but i hate your fucking knowledgebomb threads. stop fucking larping.

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>>128315714
Problem is, you might understand GMO technology with your associate's in biotechnology, but this doesn't shed any light on ethics of regulatory boards.
Your points about sugar don't refute my point at all.

The Sugar Research Foundation sponsored a research program in the 60's to downplay the harmful effects of excessive sugar consumption. They spent $600,000 on spreading the message that sugar is not the problem and that in order to be healthy people should reduce their consumption of fat rather than sugar.

>>128315205
It should run out of exclusivity like it does with pharmaceuticals.

>>128315018
Talking specifically here about consumables

>>128316581
How would you know? When the Monsants or Cargills donate to universities it goes into their general fund. Thus plausible deniability, that you're taking full advantage of here.

If you're getting funding from your university and the university is getting funding from the industry, then you are subject to their control.

Did you know the agri/chem industry donates billions per year to US universities?

>>128309503
>>128309633

The "organic produce" industry uses older formulation pesticides that are exempted from scrutiny by the FDA.

Act accordingly.

>>128305239
what do GMOs have to do with pesticides? they're not spraying new genetic code onto the vegetables

>>128316861
I have a bachelor's in Biochemistry with a focus on medicinal biochemistry. Nobody is arguing about the ethics. Monsanto is bad. Things like golden rice are not. The concept is neutral.

Your sugar example is manipulation of actual data, that's not science's fault, that's the public's fault for being retarded. Per the base unit, a fatty acid chain generates far more ATP than does a glucose molecule. That's why they came up with that "research." The studies would show, obviously, that equal masses of glucose and fatty acid chains would result in higher ATP amounts in the fatty acids than the glucose when run through their respective degradation cycles.

>>128317112
Because you don't get your funding from the university you fucking idiot. The research groups even PAY for the labs.

>>128317112
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. just because you're saying anon doesn't know IF there are monies involved in the research doesn't mean you KNOW that there is.

>>128315528
Because your argument requires these assumptions, jackass.
Tho I will take back what I said earlier about how you need a good skull fucking. Your obsession with someone named Tyrone leads me to believe it is already happening.

>>128308466

Anyone thats ever owned or worked with lab rats will tell you that they ALL die of tumors. Naturally.

But whatever, you're a nigger, so, go spew your ill researched nonsense back on worldstar

>>128317205
They made GMOs resistant to pesticides, so they can use those enormously.

>>128317468
They made GMOs to be resistant to bugs, cutting costs on pesticides. So they're likely to be even safer

>>128317229
It's not that people are too retarded, but that they don't know what goes on behind closed doors. And how could they know which studies are compromised and which ones aren't? There are lots of ways to put out slanted studies under the guise of independent studies.

>>128316168
>I guess the guy that starts all the blacked threads here just outed himself. Sweet hell life on the farm can't be that lonely. You have got to take a Tyrone break. Seriously. Stop.

>>128317529
yeah but you asked about the stupid picture. It's because you can apply more pesticide to the GMO plants so the anti-GMO assume more pesticide was used

>>128317679
the picture is about needing to wear a suit, which is what you'd wear when spraying any amount of pesticide in a closed environment

Monsanto is in the house

>>128317795
right. They're implying you would dump much more "glyphosate" than usually. It's a common anti-GMO meme

>>128317616
Because the data can't be manipulated without obvious signs. My PI even sued the shit out of a rival lab for falsifying data that they claimed was based on their own findings. We had a lab tech who was giving our data to them, so our PI went in and changed concentration amounts of the mediums that would be bactericidal to the organism we worked on and they published "results" with those fake values. They lost their lab and their funding. You can't just make shit up in the world of Biochem research, the only thing biochemists love more than publishing their own work is forcing rival labs to retract their studies for inaccuracies.

>>128317853
Big time

>>128308798
give it time billy you are fatter than a mouse afterall

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>>128305239
>Quick /pol/ I need some red pills on why GMOs are bad

Monsanto sues you and has your crop destroyed if the neighbours licensed grow resulted in your field getting pollinated.

>>128317241
Sorry, larping namefags don't get to have opinions

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>>128305239
Are GMOs good? They have certain pros to them.
Are GMOs bad for health? Nobody can say for sure.
Do i want to be the guinea pig (((they))) use to find out? nah.

>>128317229
Please, inform us. Who are these totally independent, not at all affiliated with universities, research groups who are immune to industry subversion?

>>128319077
im anon5 you can't talk to me like that

>>128319319
>THERES NO SUCH THING AS INDEPENDENT GROUPS
I give you examples of them
>YA WELL WHAT ABOUT ONES THAT AREN'T AT ALL AFFILIATED WITH RESEARCH LABS
There are independent ones globally. Keep moving the goalpost. At this point if you aren't trolling I pity you.

>>128319563
You haven't given any examples shill.

Name them.

>>128319744
Here's one group:
https://www.airi.org/about-airi/advocacy

Here's an article showing they exist and are successful:

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/10178/title/NIH-Funding--Independent-Labs-Have-Best-Success-Rate/

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>>128308939
shit is dangerous man

>>128305239
They aren't. Monsanto's IP claims are more dangerous

>>128314071
>In the case of the most prolific GMO crops (wheat and soy) the modification is herbicide/pesticide resistance, so they're sort of right.
>You are immune to a disease
>Ergo if someone eats you they will die because your body is poison

When did this board become such a pro gmo shill shithole?

Oldpol always hated monsanto and gmo jews. Gtfo here.

>>128321200
>Wahhh why won't people blindly believe my stupid views!?!? I'm a oldfag, I member Ron Paul!

Monsanto can still suck a dick. Don't bitch about GMOs.

>>128320111
lmao their member list and list of attendees reads like a whose who of the GMO/agri/chem industry, and their lackey universities.

If you think this is "independent", I've got a bridge to sell you.

>>128321948

k.

>>128320111
Guys, don't worry the researchers who are funded by members like Rockefeller University are totally "independent".

And /pol/ also just happens to be filled with GMO industry dick suckers. No shilling going on here folks. Yes, Monsanto executives run the government agencies tasked with regulating them, but no worry, there's some Rockefeller funded industry front groups here to save us.

>>128305239
i can answer in plain english

wheat used to be a complete protein

think of it like this

when you start eating, complete protein is the stop sign or satiation sign to your body

so you eat wheat till a certain protein level, and then boom your body doesnt want food

wheat was modified and it broke the complete protein so now it is only a partial protein

a partial protein does not trigger the stop signal to the body and causes you to overeat

combine this with sugar which makes the body hungrier and with the lack of fiber due to heavy processing and you have a firestorm of bad nutrition

if you want to test this, switch to eating oats or rye

they havent been modified yet as they are able to grow on poor land and the ROI isn't there so far.

>>128323132
if you want to restore protein functionality to your body, try ingesting tongkat ali

>>128323285
tongkat ali targets the cells that generate testosterone and divides them without being a steroidal

>>128323285
What kind of gook medicine is that

>>128323132
How long ago did literally all wheat in the world all somehow become partial proteins all at the same time?

>>128321392

Enjoy your tumors

>>128320819
They are not immune to diseases or pests. That is the point.
They are resistant to herbicide that kills everything else and are stored in plant.
In short.
They use poison that kills everything else other than designated plant. Then harvest this plant and sell it to you.
Also:
>can't use GMO grain to seed

>>128326840
Monsanto also includes actual pesticide into the plant's cells. This is praised as reducing the need for external pesticide.

>>128327285
Not all pesticides are dangerous to humans, or to anything other than pests, for that matter. Bacillus thuringiensis, for example.
I'm not saying that Monsanto's pesticides aren't dangerous, but "the plants have pesticide in them" doesn't automatically mean they'll harm you. You need to provide information as to what the specific pesticides are and what effect they, specifically, have on people in order to make a compelling argument.

>>128317255
none of my arguments requires the "assumptions" you made.

your statements were not assumptions, they were pathetic attempts at reductio ad absurdum fallacies and strawman arguments.

monsanto wants to sell their shit and i dont want to buy them, but if i need them i will use them as needed.

you are a real fucking dipshit moron, with the mental capacity of a retarded 8 year old

your opinions are ignorant and entirely specious.
you have zero value in any discussion of agriculture, gmos or agribusiness.

go back to larping on 9gag.

>>128315048
Parsing and looping the json from the api every 2 secs. C# - Visual studio community 2017 (free). Not terribly more complicated than javascript.

>>128329442
They kill butterflies and deplete the soil, that's bad enough without Monsanto bussiness practices.

>>128317679
for the last time. plants are NOT vulnerable to pesticides.
they require no resistance to pesticides.

GMO cultivars with resistance to HERBICIDES are entirely different.

and even then, RESISTANCE is not immunity.

using herbicides, even on resistant crops reduces your yeild and this is BAD, so farmers dont use herbicides, even on resistant crops any more than absolutely needed.

the sole difference between herbicide resistant crops and regular crops is that you CAN use herbicides without completely destroying your crop.

sometimes you have to destroy your crop if your feild is infested with a persistent weed like spurge (which is highly toxic and even deadly)
cleansing your feilds of spurge is well worth the cost of an entire crop, since spurge makes your feilds utterly worthless until it is eradicated.

herbicide resistance offers a reduced yeild in such cases rather than a complete loss.

>>128326840
> stored in plant
youre only slightly less stupid than the fuckwits who think herbicide resistant crops NEED herbicides to grow.

if glyphosate is "stored in the plant" the plant dies.
glyphosate interupts plant growth cycles and kills the plant.
herbicide resistant plants cant survive extended or massive doses of herbicides any more than the weeds that are targeted.

glyphosate breaks down after just a few days becoming inert FERTILIZERS, it is not stored in the plant any more than your fat ass is storing whole mackerels and complete bottles of cheap chav cider.

you are NOT what you eat, what you eat is broken down to it's constituent parts and is then used as fuel and construction material

your mommy was wrong.

>>128337768
Dude, they don't have a fundamental grasp on the biochemistry. Stop wasting your time. They're actually retarded people.

>>128327285
ONE crop, Starlink Corn had a pesticide called BT built into it.

BT is one of the safest and most "natural" pesticides ever devised. it is made by a naturally occurring soil bacteria and is used to control several varieties of nematodes and root worms

Starlink is not currently under tillage it was disapproved by the FDA, and is NOT on your tesco's shelves

BT exposure is harmless but the FDA erred on the side of caution until long term exposure research could be done since the BT is INSIDE the plant instead of sprayed on it

REMINDER

GMOs aren't bad
GMOs use less pesticides
Organic uses more pesticides
Organic pesticides are a lot more toxic than roudup
Organic uses more land

Organic = Killing the planet to eat worse while paying more for it.

>>128338040
they dont have a basic grasp of ANYTHING apparently.

but they got opinions and they wanna shout them from the rooftops.

fucking idiots.

>>128305239
>Dr. Seralini's study
100%


Also new telegraph article on new studies on Pesticides says they cause brain damage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/organic-foods-backed-landmark-report-warning-pesticides-far/

Also, pesticides are killing our Bees

>>128305239
Jesus Christ, yes there are bad things about GMOs, but GMOs don't have to watered with poisonous chemicals that keep insects away... for all we know that image might be organic food being watered with shit, not GMOs.

GMOs aren't entirely fault free, for example Monsanto can capitalize because they copyright claim their "genetic code" of the crops they grow which causes the seeds to die after 5 years or so, which is what they do with niggers in Africa. Instead of selling them crops that can create their own seeds, they force the niggers to buy more seeds from Monsanto.

But GMOs themselves aren't bad as long as they don't spike the crops with a bunch of nutrients like fat sugar etc. But we already do that organically by added sugar and salt to foods we buy.

>>128338983
FALSE.

GTFO Monsatan shill.

Monsanto shills are as notorious as Davi Brock's nerd virigins. They are paid a lot more than the CTR & shariablue virgins.

>>128339775

t. Food Babe

>>128339543
>pesticides kill pests
wow, amazing

>>128339543
> the serillini study
retracted by every journal that published it because it was CRAP.

> citing the telegraph bullshit without a trace of irony

it's true. america's education system has failed miserably.

>>128340483
bees are needed to pollinate like 80% of the crops you fucking retard

>>128341217
1. Read it fag.

2. Seralini study was reinstated you fuck.
In fact, Seralini’s team followed ALL of the proper protocol, and thus heralded the study as one of the most important health studies of the century. Séralini and his team studied toxicity of genetically-modified corn (maize) of the Monsanto NK603 variety, which Monsanto themselves had studied previously, but Monsanto limited their conclusion data to 90 days for the feeding “trial” because after 90 days is when all the damage to the rats began to show up. Monsanto wanted regulatory authorization for planting and so they fudged the results by cutting the whole study short after they found out what Séralini later exposed by being thorough, honest and forthright about toxic GM corn Monsanto wants to feed America and other developing countries around the world. Monsanto had published their findings back in 2004, coincidentally the same year the corn was authorized in the EU. The European Food Safety Authority then declared that the maize was just as safe as the non-GM maize.

http://www.truthwiki.org/gilles-eric-seralini/

>>128341573
>bees are pests

wow this is really amazing

>>128314500
>our taxes subsidize GMO crops which is why corn and soy can be sold for less than the cost of production and why corn and soy derived products are stuffed into every imaginable place.
>it's keynsian economics at its worst.
>it's a huge scam created to enslave the farmer, control the food supply, poison the consumer, and make money off of every possible externality along the way
100%

>>128341573
>what is the wind

Hang yourself reddit

>>128305239
The fact that leftards fear GMOs should be enough to consider them a good thing

>>128308334
>$0.50 were just deposited to your account.

>>128308798
cancer rates are at an all-time low.
Oh wait.

>>128342668
I am pretty sure that its another scheme to control population by controlling food supplies. Kind of Soviet collectivization.
With inheritance Tax and corporation subsides small farmers are not really profitable.

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>>128305239
>transferring a gene that encodes a specific protein from one plant to another will destroy the world
>Shitty business and farming practices = Biotechnology is the devil*
>*only green biotechnology tho, it's ok in medicine

>>128341573
Not any more. Now you just buy monstranto seed. Problem solved.

Who needs bees. monstranto is daddy and they love us like her own children. We are so safe.

>>128307246
Why do tripfags always say the dumbest shit?

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>>128341573
let them die so butterflies can have their reign

>>128344186
So this is how you activate almonds...

>>128344186
Why are those almonds being activated?

>>128329442
http://www.gmwatch.org/en/component/content/article/13142

>>128314063
>The bug resistance gene of GMOs leaks over to other plants

wrong, there is a terminator gene in the seeds which prevents this.

>>128347024

The concern is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer

>>128314071
>some fundamentally alter the plants' phytochemistry to the point that you've created a whole new plant.

The most modern seeds today are hybrids (i.e. literally new species, with the added benefit of sterility => $$$). And you are also allowed to create totally new plants via protoplast fusion. These would be labeled non-gmo.

And "plant's phytochemistry" is redundand.

>>128346076
>gmwatch.org

Nice try, Claudia Roth.

Why are GMO industry shills on deathwatch?

They're so fucking desperate.