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>>128304150
>>128304150
>>128304150

YOUTUBE TRYING TO INFLUENCE BRITISH GENERAL ELECTION. DISLIKE THEIR VIDEO.
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>>128303919
CO2 is food for plants. You are being disingenuous by disregarding percentage of forested territory per capita.
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>>128304982
Can plants eat co2 in the atmosphere?
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>>128303919
Are India's Co2 emissions from burning their poo to expose of it?
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>EU
>country
lmao
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>>128303919
Op Btfo
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>>128303919
B
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>>128305991
This is the correct response. Anybody that chooses to think when presented with the OP would imagine that one year doesn't really fucking matter when The United States has benefitted the most overall from industrialization and also done the most fuckery with globalism.
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Good. Feeding plants is a very pro-environmental thing to do.
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>>128305991
>Stretching as far back as the 1700s
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>>128306696
>What is the individual revolution
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>>128306370
NO, OP argument displays that American is heading in the correct direction in CO2 admissions.

Because of fracking and natural gases America can lower CO2.
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>>128306924
*Industrial
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>>128306930
That releases methane gas.
40 times stronger than CO2 at holding heat.
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>>128303919

>By country
>EU
>Country
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>>128303919
>by country
>EU
>COUNTRY
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>>128306924
>What is grasping straws
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>>128304982
>>128305101
/pol/ is uneducated? Here is two sides of the idiot spectrum with these posts.
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>>128307327
What significance does annual carbon pollution have?
If someone gotta pay for it, it should be the guys who put more carbon in the atmosphere.
It's not like the last year's emissions disappear every year so we can only care about this year's emissions.
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Sad day when North Korea and Iran care more about our environment than we do. They're still in the pact to save the planet while we bow to the big coal. Tells you a lot about who REALLY cares.
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>>128307099
its a country m8
they just dont admit it openly in order not to enrage teh eastern countries who are here just for gibs
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China is a developing country. Forcing it to implement unjust rules about environmental protection, rules that the western nations never followed, is nothing more than unfair and underhanded way to impose limits on China's rapid development. Neo-colonialism and imperialism have no place in the 21st century.
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>>128307085
Only for 10 years, then it is desolved
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>>128307085
Termite release more methane than human do. You should know this since you are close relatives.
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>>128304982
>>128305101
>burger education
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>>128308042
40 years.
Wanna bet?
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>>128307540
What good is it to measure emissions by country since before there was even a theory of the greenhouse effect?
The context to OP's picture is: "Who isn't learning the lesson the most?"
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>>128305991
>2009

China's pollution is going up while America's is going down.
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>>128306924
>>128307000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_industrialization#Industrialization_of_the_People.27s_Republic_of_China
>Industrialization of China did occur on a significant scale only from the 1950s, in the Maoist Great Leap Forward

>including 200 years of rice farming to spin the percentages
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>>128305991
We have been through this turkroach. Total emission don't matter when the goal is to reduce future emissions.
>But it's not fair
The planet doesn't care about fairness, just future emissions.
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>.5 of a degree would be saved after 15 years

>saving the world
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>>128307953
Well they don't have to stick around, they can just fucking leave.
They haven't contributed a single dime anyway, so if they find so much injustice with it, then they have options.
Your white knighting lacks context.
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>>128308142
>X does Y so we should do Y

American (((education)))
>>128308236
You aren't learning
Your manufacturing is being done in poorer countries
... that way you get cheaper products.

Besides would it be fair otherwise?
That is, if you care about being fair
>>128308452

Well that's the graph I have.
Care to find a recent one?
>>128308712
I don't get your point.
>>128308825
Emissions means production.
Production means wealth created.
Wealth means ability to get shit done.

You have the ability to get this shit done because of your wealth( born from production which was born from emissions)

>>128308932

It took hundreds of years to raise the global temperature.
It not gonna be easy to revert it back.
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>>128308452
>china makes most of the worlds pollution
>china also producer of the most renewable energy
>china in on the paris agreement and trying to get away from coal
>meanwhile america drops the agreement and wants to go back to using a disgusting outdated energy source instead of constructing more nuclear

>>128308932
I don't think you understand enough about why curbing pollution is important to understand why what you said is retarded
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>>128308170
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane
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>>128309191
Doesn't fucking matter, were not talking about production and how "unfair" for us to have that much, we are talking about helping the planet. "Fairness" doesn't help the planet. Otherwise you're admitting this isn't really about the planet but rather gibsmedat for your shithole.
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>>128307953
>it's oppresive to let chinese people breath fresh air
China is developing faster than most countries. If anything, the status quo benefits them.
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>>128309213
>I don't think you understand enough about why curbing pollution is important to understand why what you said is retarded
Explain right now why China and India are not required to change how they operate and maybe I'll take you seriously.
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>>128309524
How are you gonna bring everyone to the table without being fair?
For the longest time, American argument against CO2 curbing was that not everyone id willing to participate so it isnt fair.
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EU is a fucking country is it
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>>128309705
This, China was slavery 20 years ago, poverty 10 years, and pollution now, life is improving.
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>>128309963
Now are argument is that gibs to countries that pollute more than us is ridiculous

Let europe bribe the chinese
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>>128309847
I'm sorry, but that is completely irrelevant to anything in the comment chain you replied to. I come to this shitty board to argue against antiscience retards, not to argue against whatever idiotic strawmen you cook up to detract from the points. At no point did I say anything about china and india not having to change how they operate. Of course they fucking do.
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>>128310126
They don't have a renewable industry in place yet.
Building that will take decades if you don't help. So they won't build it at all.
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>We are going to save the Earth and stop climate change!
>But first, we need America to front the majority of the bill...
>and they need to agree to take in any migrants and also cater to anything transgender people demand...
>also China and India do not need to change their pollution output, in fact we plan to pay them to increase it...
>and we need to accept the rights of indigenous peoples...
>but we also need open borders and free immigration...
>sign on the dotted line, please!
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>>128308042
Methane breaks down into CO2 you mong.
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>>128305101
Goddamnit... At least use an overseas proxy...
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>>128310277
Sounds like you can't answer his question. Also why is it not anti-science to consider cumulative co2 generation but not consider the environment's ability to convert that co2 into oxygen? 250 years is a long time for mother Earth to work on our excess co2 from generations passed.
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>>128309847

read up: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/world/asia/chinas-role-in-climate-change-and-possibly-in-fighting-it.html?_r=0
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>>128310710
The archives have arrived

>https://nytimes com/2017/06/02/world/asia/chinas-role-in-climate-change-and-possibly-in-fighting-it.html?_r=0
https://archive.is/Gm3VO
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>>128309963
>American argument against CO2 curbing was that not everyone id willing to participate so it isn't fair
They didn't say that because it wasn't fair, but because if they are the only one doing it you're not going to fix the problem so why bother because China would negate their strides forward. That's literally what we arguing right fucking now.
If it's not going to fix the problem, it's not worth it. Fuck your fairness.
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>>128303919
Wow, Japan kicks ass. Tiny island really punches above its weight class.
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>>128310277
So, in other words, you can't explain it.
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>>128310294
>Building that will take decades if you don't help. So they won't build it at all.
This sounds more and more like geopolitical welfare.
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>>128305991
What the fuck is CanAus?
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>>128303919
>sure I am a rapist but look at this guy, he rapes more than me so I am ok
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>>128310294
Sounds like they shouldn't be in control of their land if they can't utilize it properly.
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>>128309191
>I don't get your point.

>Years covered in cumulative chart:
1751 - 2009 = 258 years
>Years from 1751 to 2009 that China was industrialized or undergoing statistically significant industrialization
2009 - 1950 = 59 years

Of course China's going to have a smaller percentage of CO2 emissions if they were only industrialized for a fucking fifth of the years covered. If you're gonna do it right, you can only include those 59 years both the US AND China
were industrialized or undergoing industrialization.
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>>128305101
No they aren't tall enough to reach there, duh. Read a book
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Reminder that there is literally no evidence of humans having any impact on climate change.

Random volcanoes erupting have caused ice ages, humans pumping toxins into the air has made temperatures higher and lower depending on the months and year.
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>>128303919
>The only driving factor is CO2
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>>128307425
He is partly right, you've got to include the natural carbon dioxide sinks as well.
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>>128310425
Did I ever said it didn't? But CO2 is less dangerous than CH4.

you mong
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>>128311013
The chart also ignores any natural ability of the environment to breakdown co2 into oxygen. It puts the US on the hook for a carbon footprint that no longer exists.
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>>128303919

>EU
>Country

Fake news desu senpai
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INDIA 2020 SUPERPOWER
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>>128311188
checked
>>>/wsg/1720600
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>>128303919
>EU is a country

did Germany win?
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>>128310704
>>128310815
I'm not going to answer your question because you asked me a completely irrelevant question to what I was talking about. I even said that they do have to change how they operate, which you appear too stupid to realize.
All manmade co2 is co2 that will not be able to be converted to oxygen, this is because the earth can only consume so much co2, and at this point in the earth's history carbon flux was almost in equilibrium. Most manmade co2 will stay in the atmosphere because the earth already naturally produces about as much as it can take in, that is why it is a problem.
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SAD FACT:

the stupid parisagreement didn't include sanctions meaning:

If China, India or Germany or any other country go over the limit, NOTHING HAPPENS to them yet we pay for a fond that will go to countries which don't even meet the requirements.
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>>128311714
Yeah, it's stupid and entirely an ornamental agreement.
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>>128311714
It is not stupid, it's the deal intention.
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>>128310752
Americans never cared about solving. They would participate only if everyone was playing fair and square.
>>128310838
How many billions in foreign aid do you spend every year?
Most goes to weapons and corrupt governments. You are already paying for welfare.
So I don't understand why you don't participate anymore. You were being conned for the longest time.
>>128310951
It takes time which we might not have.
>>128311013
Do you know what cumulative means?
Besides that wouldn't be fair.
You as an American would not except any such deal.
>>128311188
It's not like it didn't trap heat while it was in the atmosphere.
The effects don't just disappear.
>>128311714

They though peer pressure would force countries.
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>>128311714
Exactly it's none-enforceable garbage. Even if they all follow what they were suppose to do through changing political climates of several decades (and increase in shitskins who don't give a shit about the planet), their 2 degree target is garbage by their own admission.
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>>128312098
Someone is mad because lose gibs.
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>>128312098
Well that's just how you feel about it. Even if america did reject it for the wrong reasons I have outlined good reasons too which you failed to respond too adequately.
Go back to your colony.
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>>128312098
>So I don't understand why you don't participate anymore.
You're saying this as if I wouldn't opt out of those too.
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>>128305991
>cumulative

ha-ha-fucking-ha
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>>128311621
That's not true. There has always been an excess of co2 in the environment, even before man. Sometimes it jumped due to major cataclysms and sometimes it stayed a constant level, however there has never been a scenario, where life exists, where co2 approached 0.

Also, how do you know which co2 was created by man and which co2 was created by a cow's fart? This is an argument over what country has contributed to the current excess in co2. Saying that the US has because of excess co2 from 200 years ago is utter bullshit.

Proof: If the US, being the sole creator of co2 during the industrial revolution suddenly stopped creating co2 during the 1900's. That co2 would have been consumed by the environment.
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>>128312098
>They though peer pressure would force countries.
Yes because exporting your industry to a single nation then trying to cajole them will work.
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>>128312317
>America did the right thing, but still wrong.
Why you want America to be wrong so hard?
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>>128307953
>Forcing it to implement unjust rules about environmental protection, rules that the western nations never followed, is nothing more than unfair and underhanded way to impose limits on China's rapid development

The paris accord doesn't force anyone to do anything. It's literally just a publicity stunt.
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>>128312466
>Why you want America to be Wong so hard?
Canada, that's why.
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>>128304982
>>128305145
>>128305208
>>128305991
>>128306367
>>128306370
>>128306598
>>128308150
>>128308712
look at the graph the co2 and plant ratio will stabilize and we will all be good

source common sense
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>>128312098
As far as I can tell Mr. Roach, heat dissipates over time.
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>>128312546
It only forces nations to pay.
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>>128305991
Based on what data ?
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>>128312693
see
>>128312622
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>>128303919

I wonder what percentage of CO2 emissions are solely from our military. It's rare you witness even a hint of pollution in the U.S.
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>>128312693
Proof provided by T. Chinamen
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>>128303919
oh wow i thought india was more methane producing but damn ther you go
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>>128312650
it doesn't force them to pay. But the pussy ass people in charge voluntarily give up the money because they are gigantic faggots
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>>128312848
Right.
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>>128303919
Go preach to the Chinese cuz we're done listening.
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>>128304982
the thing is that co2 is being put into the atmosphere at a faster rate than the rate at which plants can use it, so he net amount continues to rise instead of being at equilibrium
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What did the citizens of Earth mean by this?

Is Africa filled with white republicans or something. wtf
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>>128312271
Don't leave me poor!
>>128312317
There are good reasons to reject the deal but will anyone be able to arrange another deal?
How many years did it took to get everyone to agree on this inefficient plan?
>>128312328
You would?
I don't see Trump doing anything about them.
>>128312373
?
>>128312425
So It wouldn't ?

>>128312634
Then why does blankets work smart anon?
Could it be that it holds heat?
>>128312693
I don't know.
I found it in a thread in /sci/
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>China has over twice the next top CO2 producing country

You guys do realize the world's emission production has been exported to 3rd world countries, right?

So on paper, the US pollution rate appears lower, but when you factor in that we import most of what china produces, the US and other countries' emissions rates shoot back up.
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>>128313440
It's called an insulator you worthless Roach.
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>>128303919
Honestly the way demographics are heading I don't care if the world burns.
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>>128313440
>So It wouldn't ?
Of course not, it's why monopolies are dangerous.
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>>128313449
That's still on China faggot.
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>>128313089
Plant more trees then
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>>128313440
>So I don't understand why YOU don't participate anymore.
>I don't see TRUMP doing anything about them.

Well, he probably should. The fuck you want me to say?
One is better than none.
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>>128312042

that's the intention ? if China doesn't meet the agreements: They still get money, still pollute the climate and are giving the pass. This is how the ParisAgreement is going to look like in 2020.

Trump's withdrawal decision was actually pointless. No matter if the US is in or out, the billions throwing out of the window to 'save the climate' is nothing but a giant paper tiger.

my country is going to invest/pay 53 billion a year (!) (a sixth of the whole federal budget!) for meeting- OR NOT the agreements. Germany isn't even able to match the current standards.

If all other countries won't meet the criterias, they don't have to pay any sanctions, they will always get money.

We aren't able to precit the weather for the next 2 weeks, and here we have the experts painting the armageddon for 2035.

In other words: you could throw out 53 billions out of your window that's how the climate change saving effort i
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>>128312404
I never said co2 approached 0. I said carbon flux was in equilibrium.

We know which co2 was created by man because co2 created from burning fossil fuels have different isotopes than co2 produced naturally.

The co2 would not have been consumed over time because you failed first grade reading comprehension. Carbon flux in equilibrium means the earth naturally produces about as much as it can absorb. That means additional co2 added will not be absorbed. Think of two tanks of water stacked on top of each other, each has of 10 gallons of water and pumping water into each other at an equal rate. That represents the carbon pumped into the atmosphere from rotting life, volcanoes, etc (top tank) and carbon being absorbed into the oceans, used by plant life, etc, (bottom tank). The water level stays constant. What happens when you slowly and constantly pour water into the top tank? Don't worry, I'll give you time to figure this one out. I'll give you a hint: The water level doesn't remain constant.
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>>128314046
The intention is transfer money a push an agenda.
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>>128305991
The US went through industrialization early on polluted a bunch and curved that trend downward with new technology. Meanwhile China is currently doing way worse than us with current technology as the US continues to reduce emissions. But we are the problem.
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>>128313539
It's also trapping heat from your body.
Suns rays hit the earth and bounce into space.
CO2 traps them. There, you have a heat trapping blanket.
>>128313600
But monopolies work.
>>128313664
Trees absorb carbon use it and when the leaf rots releases some of it back.
As things heat up the soil under trees will release even more carbon.
>>128314260
You are not the problem.
You are the strongest nation on Earth.
I don't see a better use if your strength than guiding the world.
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>>128303919
>when you're not in the top 5
Feels good man.
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>>128314087
>Keeps mentioning equilibrium but doesn't know that a system with no Delta over a given timeslice is still in equilibrium.
The amount does not matter. The delta for a given section of time matters. With no increases in co2 emissions, it can be said that co2 emission and consumption, going into future, are in equilibrium.

What exactly are you trying to argue. Because you seem to be failing at basic semantics.
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>>128314502
>2014
They might be including you family
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>>128313539
It's also trapping heat from your body.
Suns rays hit the earth and bounce into space.
CO2 traps them. There, you have a heat trapping blanket.
>>128313600
But monopolies work.
>>128313664
Trees absorb carbon use it and when the leaf rots releases some of it back.
As things heat up the soil under trees will release even more carbon.
>>128314260
You are not the problem.
You are the strongest nation on Earth.
I don't see a better use if your strength than guiding the world.
>>128314502
You were in EU back then
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>>128305991
>cumulative
So what you're saying is that Trump is right, and the Paris agreement is only meant to punish the west, and not actually save the planet?
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>>128314046
Yup, reading the agreement was a pain in the ass.
They are not only getting money but also technology. It's not legally binding whatsoever. You announce some goals but if you meet them or not as no effects. It is literally just a money transfer from developed parties to developing parties. Also the agreement never says it will stop global warming it will just try to slow it down by holding to 2°C.
The international atomic power agency is a observer in that agreement. Knowing our hippies and leftist I was surprised that they didn't Outrage because they actually try to remove nuclear energy plants.
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CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL NIGGERS

https://youtu.be/0CnR8sJ61iQ

LOLOLOLOLOL
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>>128314766
>>128314496
>But monopolies work.
When your comment is so stupid it echos inside your skull.
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>>128314700
Interesting tactic, ignore the part where your basic logic skills got ruined, and talk about some irrelevant shit proving that you still haven't grasped reading comprehension. Go back to your idiot cave, little man. Maybe one day you'll figure out that books aren't just adornments for shelves.
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>>128314830

BINGO

und hierzulande wird Trump als der Buhmann verkauft.
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>>128312549
>>128312466
>Why do you want america to be wrong so hard
Coming from no other than a huehuehue and a kiwi nigger.
Next times morons, try reading what the turkroach said (he FEELZ america did it for the wrong reasons) and my reply "well that's just how you feel turkroach and EVEN IF america did (not saying they did) do it for the wrong reasons, there are good reasons to do it.

Did you guys came from reddit? Same level of intellect.
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>>128307630

>receiving money for doing nothing is caring about the enviro
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>>128313440
>oh well it was really hard to do it!
Still wont work. It didn't took long to shift the goalpost twice. First it was unfairness, then it was allegedly done for the wrong reasons, then it was "well that's the best we've got".
Would you be saying if your shithole wasn't getting gibs from the agreement? "Well it's the best we've got"? No you wouldn't.
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>>128315715
Read my joke again materoo.
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>>128315345
You just regurgitated the exact same shit I said earlier and patted yourself on the back claiming you were profound. You've also gone out of your way to avoid responding to questions you and i know there are no answers to; which imply blaming the US for prior co2 emissions is impossible.
There's a reason why no one wants to give you a job t. Unemployed Millennial.
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>>128315451
Die ganze Abmachung ist einfach ein Witz. Niemand hat den Scheiss überhaupt gelesen den die dort fabriziert haben, aber hier wird munter Stimmung gemacht.
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>>128316078
Recognition of inefficiencies in a plan isn't moving the goalposts.
I am being honest.

If Trump wants a fair deal he needs to consider cumulative emissions.

If Trump wants to call the deal bad he needs to consider if there can be a better deal.
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>>128311043
We need to float giant tree platforms
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>>128305991
lmao, fucking turks
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>>128316305
>If Trump wants a fair deal he needs to consider cumulative emissions.
Yes, he need to embrace the guilt goy.
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>>128305991
This is literally saying
>Well you fucked up the environment 300 years ago, we have to catch up
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>>128316137
Your "joke" only made sense if I did make that statement.

>>128316305
Trump did offer to renegotiate. I can't confirm what the fuck he wanted but point is Macron refused.
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>>128316236
You're still going on, christ. You retards are all the same. You make up your own interpretations about what is going on in reality and you just dig deeper into your delusions when you're caught out. Stop posting. It's really embarrassing for you.
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>>128305101
pan the camera down

PLEASE
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>>128310877
the shitposter's league
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>>128316549
Just go back to plebbit. At least there you can complain about being a jobless cuck and they'll support your every excuse for being unable to achieve financial stability.
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>>128312755
Someone doesn't live near any major cities.
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>>128303919
>By country
>EU
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>>128316305
>If Trump wants a fair deal he needs to consider cumulative emissions.
Then why not include natural carbon sinks and who is responsible for technology that reduces emission?
>If Trump wants to call the deal bad he needs to consider if there can be a better deal.
When you can achieve everything the deal sets out domestically and with the same level of enforcement, no you don't.
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we just need a massive plague to wipe out the chinks and streetshitters and the planet will be safe from environmental destruction. modern medicine is preventing nature from rebalancing itself (by removing excess subhumans)
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>>128316534
Please for the love of god don't make me walk you through the joke about Canada's chinkification and the surname Wong.
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>>128317037
What's wong with that?
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>>128316517
It's not guilt it's pysical reality.
>>128316526
"You will have to shoulder a heavier burden"
>>128316534
Trump does not believe in climate change.

>>128316907
>>>128316305 (You)
>>If Trump wants a fair deal he needs to consider cumulative emissions.
>Then why not include natural carbon sinks and who is responsible for technology that reduces emission?

Why not indeed?
I guess it was better to just walk away in your presidency hundred day from a deal.

>>If Trump wants to call the deal bad he needs to consider if there can be a better deal.
>When you can achieve everything the deal sets out domestically and with the same level of enforcement, no you don't.


And a decade later you have two dozen polluters you could have stopped by helping them.
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>>128317130
>gibs, reeeeeeeeeee
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>>128317278
r/thedonald
Don't reee on me just yet.
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>>128317130
>And a decade later you have two dozen polluters you could have stopped by helping them.
There is no mechanism in the current deal for them, those polluters have zero incentive to reduce emissions as is beyond 'muh peer pressure' which is so powerful when you're a failing and declining race and economic power.
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>>128317037
No I got that part. Ah fuck it, whatever.

>>128317130
Still offered to renegotiate. Was not able to. Sure, you can reasonably say Trump doesn't give a shit about CO2 emissions if he doesn't care about climate change, but point is the agreement still sucked, would be ineffective, would no be followed, and wont be renegotiated so fuck it.
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>>128317120
It ruins a joke having to explain it.
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>>128317597
We will see.
Apparently the other countries still commit to the deal.
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>>128317693
What is the point if there is no US money.
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>>128303919

Did someone already mention that the EU is not a country?
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>>128317130
>ooga booga we started industrializing a decade ago, give us monies while we continue to pollute because you crackas did it 3 centuries ago
sucks to suck
industrialize cleanly or not at all, it's their fault they got into the game too late
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>>128317130
>It's not guilt it's pysical reality.
no it isn't
the reality is the u.s. isn't going to abide by the accord and it's going to reduce emissions by continuing to move to natural gas it has a plentiful supply of, and for no other reason
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>>128317693
>Turkey
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>>128303919
Of course China's emissions are to create the shit that my-shit-don't-stink low emitters buy.
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>>128305991

>US got theirs so Imma get mine too and make them pay for it.

The Earth doesn't care about your social justice bullshit. If global warming is true, we're all going to burn the same and China is by far the largest offender. If global warming is false, then this is a globalist redistribution scheme. Either way, it's rotten.
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>>128318074
land use for agriculture and associate agricultural inputs are also a large part of each country's ghg footprint, and smaller countries contribute less as a result
china, india, and the u.s. have much more agricultural production than tiny states
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>>128317693
Not for very long. And expect the following:
>More than half the countries do not reach their promised reductions
>A good portion failed by a half or two thirds of the promised reduction not coming to fruition.
>Country receiving gibs don't use them to build "sustainable" infrastructure and just build a bunch of symbolic feel-good projects with a fraction of the money, or hide the money through exorbitant costs for said projects. Few actually use it properly
>when 2030 comes china does fuckall to reduce emissions
>based countries who signed for some retarded reason like Poland pull out because they are tired developing countries not doing shit
>the rest of other countries pull out too and the deal collapses.
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>>128318846
If we are to be honest most western countries will see the lack of commitment from the developing ones and just up their spending.
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>>128319327
Yeah I fucked up, in CURRENT YEAR we couldn't reasonably expect our world leaders to make competent decisions. You're most likely right, damn this shitty planet.
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>>128305101
That's literally like the only thing they do. Did you not go to school?
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>>128305991
Still disnegenous. China wasn't fully industrialized until the 80s.
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The rabbit hole goes deeper once you realize that the EU outright lies about their emissions.
http://grist.org/article/e-u-loophole-counts-wood-energy-as-carbon-neutral-its-not/
https://qz.com/528491/the-eu-is-emitting-way-more-greenhouse-gases-than-it-says/

Even libtard propaganda trash calls them out
http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2014/08/why-europe-burning-us-forests-renewable-energy

My family grows timber in Alabama. All the foreign companies that have ever approached us (every single one) was European.
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>>128320949
Use archives

>https://qz com/528491/the-eu-is-emitting-way-more-greenhouse-gases-than-it-says
https://archive.is/vzuIC
>http://motherjones com/environment/2014/08/why-europe-burning-us-forests-renewable-energy
https://archive.is/Wft8F
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Is ok, treehuggers, Trump can turn it back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUTsf8o21CE
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>>128320949
I wonder if people have tried to calculate how much fermentation gaz India produces with its untreated sewage problems.
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