Climate Change

>>128294153
>he says as he posts a cut down tree while never addressing the impact of massive deforestation

>>128294153
>coastal liberal cities might drown

BRB, going to go burn some more tires.

>>128294280
you can grow trees, you know. it just takes awhile.
you don't actually think trees are not being planted by the buisnesses who sell wood, right?

>>128294280
Wut? I didn't say "Hey lets do pic related." Just answer question my dude.

Cause what the fuck are we supposed to do? Already ride a bike to work, most energy I consume is fast food and the poots for the nets. It's just more browbeating and that's tiring. I'm apathetic towards it, because when I did give a shit, I was told I didn't give enough of a shit. Now I don't care.

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>>128294153
>somewhere in total apathy
no way. i can't wait for the east and west coasts to be underwater. i hope it happens fast too so they don't have a chance to build a sea wall, and then they all drown.

>>128294507
We need oldgrowth forests again. Have you ever stood on a tree farm, anon? They're all over the place where I live and they're depressing as shit, neatly lined rows of nothin but jack pine in a big grid. Fuck, the soil ain't made for that.

>>128294153
I'm not going to save the world for the shitskins projected to inherit the earth. Get rid of diversity and maybe we can talk about saving the planet

>>128294708
For aesthetic reasons? Cause new trees give off a better ratio of oxygen to carbon than older trees

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>>128294840
if you want a beautiful natural forest, we got national parks for that. buisnesses dont have to make them pretty, you're not supposed to walk in them anyway

When in the history of the Earth has the climate NOT changed? #fakenews

Do we try to prevent hurricanes every year or do we just try and mitigate the damage?
We'll deal with it as it comes.

>>128294153
Unless we're all forced to go full amish by the government I don't see it going away. The green tech just costs too much at the moment and is pretty unreliable. Like what do you honestly think I or many others are gonna do? Just give up everything for like a celcius or two? Pls

>>128294840
>>128294989
Unironically yes. You need spots of actual nature and not simulated nature. Have you any idea what cutting an oldgrowth forest and replacing it with a tree farm does to the local ecology? Fuck tree farms, give me natural variety any day, selectively cut what you need and let forests be forests.

>>128294761
You don't realize they will be wiped out too? They will be the first to go. Most of the middle east won't be inhabitable. If there isn't US infrastructure there's no food and aid.

>>128294153
you dumb nigger. The climate change is real, it is not caused by man, therefore nothing can be done to stop it. It is that simple. If the climate change gets serious enough to kill us, than we will die, nothing can be done about it

OP here, also consider. This isn't just a hurricane to hit or any single event. This is like turning the contrast up on an image. like, You'll still have tornadoes, but the tornadoes will be new, higher classifications unlike that which humans have witnessed.

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>>128294153
nobody is denying CG, we're denying that we should spend hundreds of billions, even trillions, combatting it when we have starving people on the earth and homeless people in the USA.

How much are you willing to give out of your pocket to "fix" CG? Oh yeah ZERO dollars, you want other people to pay for your dumbass ideas.

Fuck yourself, retard.

>>128295406
Not a nog. I just care about the future of humanity. Sorry for having conversation about a real topic. Go back to your Nigger hate thread.

>>128295703
I did post a real reply on your serious converstaion on a real topic, and it's true, if you cant handle it dont make threads about this shit

>>128294153
I don't think it's as big a deal as the Lefties are making out of it, at least at the moment but only a retard would believe there'd be no changes in the ecosystem after it was populated and industrialized by one species.

All just a sham for big oil to protect their money; can't wait until we drag them out into the streets and execute them like dogs.

>>128295675
Lol, Didn't say anything you claim I said. I just wanted your opinion on it. I don't make enough to have an impact through taxes. 1% has the wealth of most of us. Go beat off cunt.

>>128295675
>How much are you willing to give out of your pocket to "fix" CG?
I'm willing to pay extra taxes to aid in the transition.
>you want other people to pay for your dumbass ideas.
Actually, most of us just want something done about it instead of having our reps raise their pay and protect their jobs.

>>128294153

We're in the tail end of an ice age caused by meteoric/comet impacts millions of years ago. Waterworld is the natural state of the Earth.

>>128296716
ok how much have you donated to greenpeace or other GW-nut causes?

ZERO, you dumb nigger retard. Now KYS, moron

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>>128294153

apathy no more, now pretending.

>>128296910
Charity is just like paying into the government but with (somehow) less accountability.

Why are you so mad?

>>128294153
>Do you deny it.
Only the Anthropogenic hypothesis which states humans are responsible for a majority of climate change, the predictive models still haven't matched up with predictive data and enough isn't understood about climate cycles, how ecosystems intermesh with it, all the factors that drive or stall it, etc etc etc.
>Worry about it
Not particularly, humans are spectacularly adaptable and while AGW evangelists have been howling about the impending apocalypse for eighty years, it still hasn't happened.

I wouldn't say I'm apathetic, simply being realistic. AGW isn't supported by evidence, the planet is in a warming trend, no amount of committees or agreements or regulations will stop it, nothing short of constructing massive orbital mirrors to reflect sunlight or some similar mega-project would even come close to """fixing""" it.

Assuming we do complete some project to dramatically curb global warming, or even begin global cooling, we don't know if that will be beneficial or harmful. We might accidentally crash the environment with no survivors because we don't completely understand how the various systems of the globe interconnect.

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>>128297559
You're wrong again, per usual. Faggot moron.

You want taxes increased to pay for your "concerns" AKA you want other people to pay for your stupid shit.

You're a low intelligence faggot with no backbone.

Does anyone else remember when environmentalists were concerned with overpopulation? Back then they knew that the third world birth rate wasn't sustainable, whereas now they ignore that fact while pushing for open borders. Wacky.

>>128297559
Wrong.

Charity is voluntarily giving up your resources to someone else in need.
Taxation is the government forcing you under threat of violent coercion to give up your resources in exchange for the promise that it might get something done, somewhere, sometime. It also usually fails to get that thing done on time, on budget, or to acceptable standards.

>>128297849
>You want taxes increased to pay for your "concerns" AKA you want other people to pay for your stupid shit.
One of the major reasons to tax a populace is to pay for infrastructure projects too big or not enticing enough for the wealthy.

Unless you're saying you solely paid for the roads you drive on, the school you attend, or the salaries of the police in your city then you should probably shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you're talking about.

Honestly, it's clear what needs to be done to "safe" the climate: slaughter most of africa, india, pakistan, the arab nations, and south africa. Let the chinks live, because they will solve themselves. Onyl a matter of time before they slaughter each other in a revolution. Chinese history is nothing but chinks slaughtering chinks on an incredible massive scale.

>>128298090
>Charity is voluntarily giving up your resources to someone else in need.
In an ideal world but most charitable donations are give through a foundation of some kind and as long as they're not outright embezzling the money there's no way to make sure they're spending it wisely and efficiently.

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>>128294153
Here is another history lesson for you.

>>128294153
Entropy motherfucker, can you feel it?

>>128298327
Literally just drive down the road some time and give a water bottle to a homeless person. Or work at a soup kitchen, or help pack/sort food that will be distributed to homeless people.

The only issue with charity is that society has become saturated with hollow, valueless, lazy sociopaths who can't be bothered preforming even the bare minimum of maintenance on their own community.

>>128294153
The planet's climate does change. This is almost entirely due to solar activity and the Earth's position relative to the Sun. Now is that a reason to be pushing a global socialist agenda? No.

>>128298455

Fucking Minoans and Romans driving Hummers, won't humans ever learn???

>>128294542
YOU SICK FUCK. YOU WILL BE STONED TO DEATH FOR YOUR CRIMES

>>128298117
Wrong again, retard shit-for-brains.

By your logic we should do away with all charity quote "One of the major reasons to tax a populace is to pay for infrastructure projects too big or not enticing enough for the wealthy"

Do you even know what toll roads are or private schools? You're a god damned retard, faggot.

>>128294708
oldgrowth forests tend to promote damaging pest infestations

>>128294153

I think it's a bunch of lies by people who make a shit ton of money selling hysteria.

Think about it. When the University of East Anglia was hacked, there were e-mails where they talked about destroying the raw climate data so they wouldn't have to release it in response to an FOIA request.

These are the guys who collect a big chunk of the raw data that goes into the temperature estimates, and they would rather DELETE IT and commit a FELONY than hand it over for anyone else to look at. And they're not some minor university. The guy who did the Hockey stick graph works there.

Scientists aren't gods. They're people, with very real flaws. When people try to replicate scientific papers, they're finding around 40-50% were basically fraudulent. Think about THAT. Half of "scientists" are just making shit up in the papers they publish to try to advance their careers.

This isn't unique to them. Go look at studies of cheating rates in schools. In the U.S., it's like 90%.

People are basically liars. And they are even bigger liars when their careers depend on it.

Climate science started out as a backwater. Then suddenly the global warming hysteria began in the early 90's, and they're getting BILLIONS per year for the field. If they said there wasn't global warming, all of their careers go away.

And I've been following this since the 1990's. Back then, they said the world was fucked by 2000. The temperature would have risen 5 degrees and we'd be screwed. Sea levels would rise, the ice caps were going to be melted, all the island nations would drown.

Then in was 2000, and they started saying 2010 was when it was coming.

Then it was 2010, and it was going to be 2020.

Now it's 2020, and the apocalypse is coming sometime off in the distant future.

Their models and predictions have never been right. Their jobs ride on a certain answer being true. They're willing to delete raw data to keep us from seeing it. You can't just trust them.

>>128294153
just look at the solutions being offered - sovereignty destroying carbon tax/credits system that amounts to global government

and look at who is pushing the plan - Hollywood, MSM, the corrupt politicians, and the giant corporations and big banks

meanwhile the Paris agreement only targeted Western countries...

climate change may be real, but the carbon tax system is an obvious scam

>>128298621
>Literally just drive down the road some time and give a water bottle to a homeless person. Or work at a soup kitchen, or help pack/sort food that will be distributed to homeless people.
Except those brave humanitarian efforts do nothing for the particular issue.

>>128298988
Lol I find it hard to believe you drive everywhere on toll roads, either way the examples I'd listed were just that, examples. Your money already goes to fund public works projects among other things. Go take out your sperg rage on your mommy and come back when you want to talk, boy.

>>128299567
In a perfect world we would have no taxes and drive on toll roads, but we have literal RETARDED FAGGOTS like yourself that can't survive without the government.

You should show me some respect since I put food on your family's table. KYS, welfare faggot shit-for-brains

>>128299567
We could sink our entire economy into """fixing""" the climate and it wouldn't solve the issue. We could spend two trillion dollars a year for a hundred years and optimistic estimates say we'd effect the climate between a fraction of a degree and one degree. That's assuming our economy doesn't implode due to all of that spending, and I find that to be exceptionally optimistic considering how many trillions of dollars in debt we already are and how sluggishly our economy is growing.

>>128295468
OP your a faggot.

> tornadoes will be new, higher classifications unlike that which humans have witnessed.

you mean:
> witnessed on tv

your falling for "over exposure".

100 years ago, they didn't have 24 hour news streams pumped into every room.

IF you heard about a hurricane, earthquake or tornado it would be from the paper, days if not weeks after the event.

You're basically pissing you pants because of "muh nature", it's always been there, get over it.

Either turn off the tv or shut the fuck up.

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>>128296085
> 1% has the wealth of most of us.

fucking antisemite!
i see your nazi dog whistle, take it somewhere else!
/pol/ is a board of peace

https://youtu.be/v_RuverrEZ4

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>>128299840
I don't understand your level of disconnect with reality.

I just asked for more taxes; implying I could pay them without adjusting my lifestyle very much if at all. You're arguing against. Maybe if you got a better job you'd be a bit more stable in your lifestyle and wouldn't have to take your petty aggression out over the internet.

>>128299996
>We could sink our entire economy into """fixing""" the climate and it wouldn't solve the issue. We could spend two trillion dollars a year for a hundred years and optimistic estimates say we'd effect the climate between a fraction of a degree and one degree.
Are we just making arguments out of thin air now? Alright, my turn! If we spend two trillion dollars a year for a hundred years we'll all have jetpacks and spaceships and we can hop planet to planet boning the ayys!
Seriously, the first half of your post is shit; work on it.
But yes, the economy is a factor. More public works jobs=more money=more buying power=economic stimulation. I run a business in Kansas; reducing taxes for everybody only benefits the wealthy because the difference has to be made up somehow. Paying out the ass for groceries just makes everyone broke and makes businesses like mine struggle and cutting education just breeds shitlords who go along with it.

>>128295252
And where do you think africans and middle easterners will migrate to when their places become even less inhabitable?

>>128294153
Climate change is no different than season change, it's only on a longer time scale. Getting mad about one is just as retarded as getting mad about the other.

>>128299165
> Then suddenly the global warming hysteria began in the early 90's

correct but not complete.
in the 40-60's the (((scientists))) pushed a mini ice age heading our way.
this changed in 1979, when they gave up on that story and pushed "global warming" instead.
i think around 2004 the switched to "climate change" because the data started to show the earth cooling.

some fun facts you may like:
> there isn't enough carbon in the atmosphere to make the sea acidic
> there are only 6 out of 25000 world wide temperature sensors in the south pole.
> the hottest year on record was 1932 :/
> last 10 years more co2 than ever, but the earth is cooling :/
> north pole is still there and 2016 was its biggest in 100 years
> 1 volcano dumps 150 years of humans carbon output into the atmosphere
> plants grow better and bigger in more co2
> currently 350ppm co2, in histroy was as high as 4000-5000ppm... humans can't even notice it until 10000-15000ppm.
> sea level is rising the same constant speed of 2cm per year and has been for about 5000 years. literally the most predictable metric in the climate.

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>400 parts per million is going to destroy the Earth

Could do no harm not to poison the planet we are living on, right?
Regardless of men-made climate change.

sure, it is happening and humans are big part of it.

the realms of humans prospering and growing and the environment/climate prospering and growing can't exist though. the "measures" we take are not ever going to be good enough. the problem, at the base level, is us. our population. our way of life. if people were serious about it there would be population controls put in place. they'd join VHEMT. they wouldn't bitch and moan about our President backing out of a "climate agreement" that has only been here for 2 years.

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>>128294153

>>128301599
Apparently you do not understand how (science) works. When you point out how paid shills are lying you are just cherry picking.

>>128294153
Trading one artificial input for another. The lack of realization is telling.

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I actively try to accelerate it happening. I do this because liberals are so fucking autistic about it in my area. If I can negate the impact of even one tree hugger my extra money spent on gasoline is worth it. V8 for life. Fuck the climate. Even if it is happening and 100 percent humanity's fault I still fail to see how it'll be an issue for me living 30ft above sea level. If the sea rises 30 feet fuck me lol.

>>128301253
Ha.. you're such a faggot retard that you think libtards who "want more taxes" are rich...

You're a pathetic welfare recipient. You should KYS

>>128294153
>being so young and dumb you buy the whole propaganda term "denier" hook, line and sinker.
welcome to reality, kid. are you just learning that the number of people worldwide who _deny_ CC is near zero?
you know if you had followed the rules and lurked for years you wouldn't be standing before us humiliating yourself like this.

>>128303997
American education for you, folks. This is what happens when you cut education funding to make up tax deficits.

CO2 is 0.03% of the atmosphere you cucks. It's an anomaly. Climate change is real, natural and inevitable yet humans have no real impact.

The sole purpose of climate change policy is an invisible tax predicated off the moral and emotional sentiment of the young, uneducated and naive.

>>128305420
education is a state responsibility moron

blame your backwater state, unless you actually support common core? in which case you're an obvious shill

>>128294153
If it's not being caused by humans then you can't do shit about it we don't control the sun or any other natural force

>>128306425
Yes, I'm aware
If you'd bothered to read the rest of my posts you might see why I brought it up
Here's your (You) since no one gave a shit about your first post.

>>128294153
I just dont give a fuck
Why arent we building new age deep orbit stations?

>>128298763
Couldn't have said it better myself

>>128298455
the GISP2 record starts in 1950 not 2000
And as you can see in the graph, the first data point is 95 years before present

which all means that the last data point on this graph is from 1855 - entirely missing the recent warming recorded in the instrumental temperature record

this is what happens when you rely on obscure blogs for your information about climatology

>>128305420
Lets see. I pay taxes to put food on your family's table. Your family wouldn't survive without my taxes.

You're on welfare and have AIDS..

Good job faggot shit-for-brains.

You really should KYS.

>>128295675
>republicans giving a fuck about "starving homeless people"
>kek

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>>128305420
"derp education funding" you typical faggot libtard

You really need to KYS already

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>>128307936
Oh you didn't get the point since you're a canacuck faggot libtard

>>128307842
I work to put food on my table, thanks though. Your taxes are a drop in the bucket; you're overestimating your reach, boy.

>>128308187
>I found it on Google Images in the first row so it must be true!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_spending_on_education_(%25_of_GDP)

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>>128308587
You're on welfare, shit-eating AIDS nigger. You waste your life sitting on the couch while I'm making money

Libtards think that more money for education = better results.. more libtard lies.

You've got nothing, shit-eater.

>>128308587
That is the most disingenuous way of reporting school funding I have ever seen. Use $ per school age child or else you are retarded.

>>128308877
The guy is really retarded; he's a Global Warming nut libtard faggot on welfare with AIDS

>>128308788
>facebook memes
Alright, I'm done talking to you until... well no, probably forever. Try not to kill yourself or your loved ones out of stupidity, bye.

>>128309012
"derp derp education spending to GDP is how we measure it, wikipedia is a valid source guys!"
-In response to an info-graphic on education spending per student

You're literally retarded, you should go get tested you waste of space faggot shit-for-brains moron

>>128294153
Climate is changing now, just like it has always changed. It is not increasing at a record rate, and is substantially lower than it has been in the past.

is anyone here actually interested in understanding the climate or did all of you get your science education from Trump University?

>>128294153
Shut the fuck up you worthless commie puke. Your movement is completely dead, and you won't be seizing anything. Dead.

The only move available to you is war. Have fun with that you limp wristed faggot.

>>128294153
Yeah, we should stop giving aid to poor countries so that they stop having so many fucking kids. Also defend all rainforests and coral reefs militarily.

OP just wants the Earth to cool so that tropical peoples will die in an ice age.

>>128309708
appeal to authority, not an argument. You faggot germ cuck- keep letting achmed and muhammed fuck your wife you stupid shit

>>128310227
>appeal to authority

so not only are burgers not interested in finding out what's true, some of them apparently can't even read. This board seriously turned me into an anti-American

Get people to stop bitching about nuclear power and give me hydrogen powered v8's so all cars don't become fucking gay. Then I'll give a shit about green technology. Or help make the climate get complete ass so people have to hurry the fuck up with colonizing another planet.

>>128310616
Go suck muslim cock fucking germ, we know you love them.

>>128310616
you implied Trump Univ. can't be right about global warming because of authority (((science))). you're that retarded where you don't understand basic debate, germcuck faggot?

>>128310982
Go suck black cock fucking burger, we know you love them.

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(((Climate Change))) has not enforcement mechanism.

Whether we believe in (((Climate Change))) or not does not matter because you can not enforce compliance with regulations. (((Carbon Tax))) has failed and there is no armies who will fight and die for (((Climate Change))) enforcement.

If those who push the (((Climate Change))) agenda would like to donate a portion of their paychecks to a (((Carbon Tax))) you are more than welcome. Those who do NOT want to participate in (((Climate Change))) agenda but still face claims of being a "Denier" will only become aware of the underlining leftist agenda.

TL;DR: (((Climate Change))) is more politics than science.