Why are Liberals/Green-Nuts to terrified about the prospect

>>128288487
They are?

>>128288487
sweetie, liberals just care a lot about the environment. yes, it doesn't leave as much of a footprint, but then you got the nuclear waste, Chernobyl, Fukushima. and we don't want christian terrorists blowing up reactors, snookums.

Fukushima?

It made an entire state of Japan unlivable.

>>128288487
Because they're afraid of actual progess

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>>128291259
Those are nuclear powerplants, not fusion power

>>128291162
>>128291259
>Fusion
>Fission

>>128291162
tfw those incidents were only caused by human ineptitude

>>128291162

Okay flufferkins so how much nuclear waste is produced from fusion butternuts and how many christcuck terrorizer attacks have you seen compared to mudslime ones candynipples?

>>128291162
Fusion involves fusing two hydrogen atoms into 1 helium atom. Nuclear radioactivity comes from Uranium splitting into a radioactive isotope. There are no radioactive Helium isotopes.

>>128288487
it'd put the chinese green-power industry out of business. can't have that.

>>128288487
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>>128291286
Why don't people know the difference between fussion and fission. Fucking Mongs

>>128291162
>Doesn't know the difference between fusion and fission products.
This is why you lost.

>>128291259
Fission is radioactive, not fusion.

>>128291544
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>>128288487
Fusion fission its all the same nuclear waste!

>>128291259
It's almost like you shouldn't build reactors in places where there are earthquakes and tsunamis.

>>128291162
None of those were nuclear accidents?

In fact, I don't think there has ever been a nuclear power plant that has gone critical?

Fusion would be awesome, but it's still too expensive.

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>>128291708
See >>128291482

>>128288487
I don't know. I am a liberal green nut and I love fusion power. It would be clean, cheap, limitless - it would be a solution to pretty much everything on Earth, from lowering the high birth rates in Africa to better air in cities to stopping climate change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkpqA8yG9T4&t=3861s

This is a superb discussion on the tokamak work done at MIT with breakthrough magnetic field coils - stronger magnetic fields means smaller tokamak designs which means faster development at lower costs... and eventually hopefully commercially viable power plants.

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>>128291573
>This is why you lost
umm sweetie no. we won. by 3 million votes.

Because the general lefty mind thinks nuclear = bad.
This means that when you try to talk about nuclear fusion they automatically think it's bad, without even understand what it is and how it works.
So yeah, ignorance.

>>128291816
chernobyl did.

>>128291980
Nah, that was a pressure explosion. Sure, it plumed radioactive material into the stratosphere, but that's not nearly the same thing as a nuclear core meltdown.

>>128288487
People are so stupid when approaching nuclear energy.

1. Fission plants HAS always been a cover up to weapons production. Its correlation is 1:1. Japan was starting their own from zero in Fukushima.
2. Fission is expensive to take it as commercial energy.
3. Fission waste storage will cost +10^100 GDP because their decay takes centuries (depending on material most will still be radioactive when sun makes earth atmosphere gone).
4. Investigation on fission and new models should can be taken in a fraction scale of what a regular plant is, just to test the schemes.

5. Fussion havent improve in decades. Its funding is small. Doesnt have small scale experiments to improve models.
6. Fussion COP up to this day is so low that for you to use then exclusively will pay x40 what you already do in your energy bill.

7. Nuclear energy WILL never replace the oil explotation. Oil does more than giving heat, its used in tonnes every minute to produce plastics, CO2, roads, composites, chems.

>>128288487
Liberals don't want to make the world a better place, they want to talk about making the world a better place.

If the world's problems were actually solved, then all these profession activists on the left are out of a job.

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>>128291162
Okay sweetpoo,thanks for the information babeheart, but how does this all play into the drumpf narrative niggernookums?

Pic related you and your coal burning wife

>>128288487
Never heard a single liberal/green-nut oppose fusion.

It's always the right-wing nuts who think it will create a black hole or some retarded shit like that.

>>128292161
If you're talking about nuclear meltdowns, the Fukushima disasters was 3 nuclear cores that went into meltdown.

>>128291898
>Even though my king is in checkmate, I still should've won because I have more pieces than you

>>128292161
there were two explosions. the first was steam pressure, the second was when the core went critical.

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>>128288487
>fusion power?
It has been twenty years into the future for 50 years. Liberals and greens simply are not stupid enough to believe in fairytales.

>>128291482
Alpha particles are literally helium ions. I appreciate the enthusiasm for fusion power but it still generates secondary waste man.

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>>128292177
>Fussion havent improve in decades. Its funding is small.

Maybe not on your side of the Atlantic....

>>128288487
Don't you think it's more important that we provide basic infrastructure like power, roads and running water to impoverished communities in African nations that we destroyed through imperialism and colonialism before we start worrying about building fucking fusion reactors in our own needlessly overdeveloped, rich, western cities?

wtf I don't even...

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>>128292951
is this the one with the weird looking magnets that were designed by a supercomputer?

>>128292923
bull shit.

If there were a nuclear explosion there wouldn't be a building left.

>>128293265
Yes.

IIRC it's the most complex machine ever designed.
All segments are unique because it follows the natural flow of the plasma rather than trying to fit the plasma into a nice even donut.

>>128292983
I think automation is more important than fussion. >>128292951 the COP improved slightly and that model was done in the mid 60s.

With automation widespread, we can accelerate the planned reproduction question. Will regulated genetics and quantity, the energy demand will be reduced. Followed by AI widespread in design we can reduce resources lost as production waste to up +30%.

That gives earth another endless golden era and enviroment breath to focus time and production in "fussion" and other alternative energy

>>128293269
it's true. wasn't powerful (equivalent to a truck bomb), but the chernobyl core did explode in a criticality event.

>>128292983
No

>>128291482

Fusion still produces radiation, just on a smaller scale compared to fission.

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>>128293597
Here's an image to illustrate the difference with the more common (and much simpler) Tokamak design.

>>128288487
They don't actually want clean energy, they want to tax the shit out of companies in the name of the environment.

>>128288487
because once the fusion reactors are up and running liberals/greens will lose any relevancy, same as their paymasters.
Oil economy will collapse, renewables will collapse.

>>128288487
At one end, the Republicans are Pro-oil and petrodollar economy . The Democrats, on the other hand, are Pro-renewable and climate economy. Nuclear and fission/fusion threatens their bottom line.

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>>128288487
They're afraid of anything nuclear:
- nuclear fission
- nuclear fusion
- nuclear family

There's ways to reduce waste by replacing uranium with thorium, but once gen IV reactors start being commercially available, nuclear power will be a ridiculous resource capable of being built underground and drawn upon to charge power grids and stores on demand autonomously. We could always balance with manned fast reactors if waste is really an issue. No one talks about nuclear often because it is mostly R&D stuff that most lefties can't understand regardless

>>128294082
Oil will NEVER collapse. Holy shit you guys are clueless. Even if someone discovered tomorrow a groundbraking model, followed by a design reactor the next day, completed construction of 1000 of them the next week.

The demand for oil will grow. The less energetic use oil is given the more opportunity to companies to use them as chem, derivatives or new-locally produced plastics. Oil and chips are the base of modern era.

>>128294536
This. We will never again be divorced from industrial hydrocarbons.

>>128288487
Liberal Green Nut here. I dont mind Nuclear or Fusion. All i care about is that they are done safely without cutting corners.

If that can be accomplished, go for it. they produce way more power on much less land than solar or wind, which could be less environmentally destructive.

>>128291844

I thought MIT was lost to the SJW cancer?

>>128294536
*the price will go down, but the demand will only rise

>>128291162
Thorium? Cant be weaponized and provides all the benefits of nuclear.

>>128291816
Every nuclear power plant goes critical. The term you are looking for is super critical.

>>128291844
imagine tokamaks in cars, future = glorious

>>128291162
>us ecucation

>>128294803
If it cant be used to produce weapons grade Pu then the gov will not pay for expensive energy they already do in "green energy"

>>128288487
They wouldn't be able to siffon money for lousy projects with zero return rate, we would have working plants that the market could invest in, not the government.

>>128291898
>I can't into US-History due to feels.

>>128294949

(((They))) would never let that happen.

The Oil Moguls (who would fear losing their primary oil using product) and the Green Barons (who could no longer tax the shit out of the peons for a profit) would unite under sch a threat.

>>128288487
Because it proves them wrong and will allow actual human progress, which they want to avoid at all costs.

>>128295654
BS, oil is used for plastics, burning oil and gasoline like fuel is retarded. Oil should be used for plastics and lubrication.
I'd say coal producers should be more scared, cause coal's only usage is fuel.

>>128296027
>coal's only usage is fuel

you need coal if you want to make steel.

>>128288487
Cause it was invented by whites, it's been developed by whites and whites are the first to successfully launch tokamaks. Non-white countries like China, Mexico, Japan are developing tokamaks, but nobody is as far as the UK(ST40), Germany(Wendelstein X-7) and ITER.
Fusion power shows white superiority and liberal shitters hate that.

>>128296154
How many tonnes, though, I doubt it is even 1/100 of usage as fuel. I mean look at China.

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>>128288487

FEM(Free Energy Machines) are better. Thousands of them are sitting in underground warehouses.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>128288487
Because they have mostly invested in solar and wind energy, not nuclear energy.

Fusion power doesn't make Al Gore any money; solar makes Al Gore lots of money.

Hmmmm...

>>128296027
Coal can be used as a petrochemical feedstock.

>>128296430
i have no idea how much tonnage of coking coal is needed for primary steelmaking but you're probably right. the fact remains that as long as we use steel we're going to have mine coal to produce it.

there just isn't any easy way to divorce ourselves from hydrocarbons even assuming we replace all fuel sources with green/renewable/alternative sources.

>>128296546
fuck off, frank.

>>128292177
>Nuclear energy WILL never replace the oil explotation
Nuclear energy will never replace oil, even after we run out of oil

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>>128296546
Hi Frankie

>>128292161
Fukushina and three mile island went into meltdown.

>>128291898
That'll happen when u let the grave stones vote and they convinetly chose you.

>>128291807
Fusion reactors could be blown up and the only danger is shrapnel. There is no radioactive waste.

/POL/ we must educate the masses on the difference between the two F words of the energy world.