CATHOLIC GENERAL

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Reminder that Europe voluntarily turned its back on this https://twitter.com/ndchretiente/status/870902155443621889

If it's to be saved, it must re-embrace what it has lost

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Traditional mass to mark pilgrimage to Charters today in Notre Dame

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hW9AhfWKmY

>>128272105
Chartres*

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Step 1: Realize Christianity is a Jewish means of control
Step 2: Realize these christcuck threads are created by shills
Step 3: Realize "gods word" is the hearsay of man and nothing but conjecture
Step 4: Be spritual, not religious. Focus of self betterment and self meditation. The spirit in the sky is bullshit and is not going to help you.

Spiritual: Being open minded about our consciousness and its connection to the wider universe; are we insignificant or just the universe experiencing itself. Do we really die? Are we really alive?

Religion: Believing a book written by a couple of lunatics 2 thousand years ago about the adventures of a schizophrenic and his stories of an invisible sky wizard who created everything

WE WUZ JEW ON STICK AND SHIT

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>>128274242
About as strong as an argument I've ever heard from Dawkins, Hitchens or pic related

>>128274171
Pls no reddit-tier memes

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In today's homily, on the feast day of the martyr Charles Lwanga, the priest observed that in the present age we are living in "an era of tragedy under grace, as a great theologian once said."

Hmmm, thinks I, and a few moments ago discovered this:

TRAGEDY UNDER GRACE: REINHOLD SCHNEIDER ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE WEST. By Hans Urs von Balthasar

>What von Balthasar presents here are the stages of the personal journey (spiritual and intellectual) by which Schneider discovered the presence of divine grace and providence in the tragic conflicts which were the objects of his scholarly work and which he could not help but see repeated in the events of his own time.

Review: http://www.hprweb.com/1998/04/the-role-of-faith-in-culture/

I'm intrigued, may pick up a copy.

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Bump!

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>>128269681

Let's get some discussion going. Are any of your interested by the idea of joining the church as a priest? what are your opinions? Can priests affect change?

"The oldest known blast furnaces in the West were built in Dürstel in Switzerland, the Märkische Sauerland in Germany, and Sweden at Lapphyttan where the complex was active between 1150 and 1350. At Noraskog in the Swedish county of Järnboås there have also been found traces of blast furnaces dated even earlier, possibly to around 1100. Knowledge of certain technological advances was transmitted as a result of the General Chapter of the Cistercian monks, including the blast furnace, as the Cistercians are known to have been skilled metallurgists. According to Jean Gimpel, their high level of industrial technology facilitated the diffusion of new techniques: “Every monastery had a model factory, often as large as the church and only several feet away, and waterpower drove the machinery of the various industries located on its floor.” Iron ore deposits were often donated to the monks along with forges to extract the iron, and within time surpluses were being offered for sale. The Cistercians became the leading iron producers in Champagne, France, from the mid-13th century to the 17th century, also using the phosphate-rich slag from their furnaces as an agricultural fertilizer."

"In 1268 Roger Bacon made the earliest recorded comment on the use of lenses for optical purposes, but magnifying lenses inserted in frames were used for reading both in Europe and China at this time, and it is a matter of controversy whether the West learned from the East or vice versa. In Europe eyeglasses first appeared in Italy, their introduction being attributed to Alessandro di Spina of Florence. The first portrait to show eyeglasses is that of Hugh of Provence by Tommaso da Modena, painted in 1352. In 1480 Domenico Ghirlandaio painted St. Jerome at a desk from which dangled eyeglasses; as a result, St. Jerome became the patron saint of the spectacle-makers’ guild. The earliest glasses had convex lenses to aid farsightedness. A concave lens for myopia, or nearsightedness, is first evident in the portrait of Pope Leo X painted by Raphael in 1517."

"The origin of the all-mechanical escapement clock is unknown; the first such devices may have been invented and used in monasteries to toll a bell that called the monks to prayers. The first mechanical clocks to which clear references exist were large, weight-driven machines fitted into towers and known today as turret clocks. These early devices struck only the hours and did not have hands or a dial. The oldest surviving clock in England is that at Salisbury Cathedral, which dates from 1386. A clock erected at Rouen, France, in 1389 is still extant, and one built for Wells Cathedral in England is preserved in the Science Museum in London."

"In the 14th century the growth of maritime trade and the recognition that plague was introduced by ships returning from the Levant led to the adoption of quarantine in Venice. It was decreed that ships were to be isolated for a limited period to allow for the manifestation of the disease and to dissipate the infection brought by persons and goods. Originally the period was 30 days, trentina, but this was later extended to 40 days, quarantina. The choice of this period is said to be based on the period that Christ and Moses spent in isolation in the desert. In 1423 Venice set up its first lazaretto, or quarantine station, on an island near the city. The Venetian system became the model for other European countries and the basis for widespread quarantine control for several centuries."

>>128274171
Realize how much metaphysically ignorant an anon can be.

"Since the hourglass was one of the few reliable methods of measuring time at sea, it has been speculated that it was in use as far back as the 11th century, where it would have complemented the magnetic compass as an aid to navigation. However, it is not until the 14th century that evidence of their existence was found, appearing in a painting by Ambrogio Lorenzetti 1328. The earliest written records come from the same period and appear in lists of ships stores. From the 15th century onwards they were being used in a wide range of applications at sea, in the church, in industry and in cookery. They were the first dependable, reusable and reasonably accurate measure of time. During the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan around the globe, his vessels kept 18 hourglasses per ship. It was the job of a ship’s page to turn the hourglasses and thus provide the times for the ship’s log. Noon was the reference time for navigation, which did not depend on the glass, as the sun would be at its zenith."

>>128277645
this is what happens when you group a bunch of dudes with no chances of pussy: the genetic tools that are the inventive and boldness, used normally to attract females, are then put to use to impress your peers, and sheer push the glory of the monastery closer to god

>>128277365
Good question. I'm thinking about it, but I have alot of sorting out to do before I can take on such a big responsibility.
Priests can definitely affect change, in both a good way and a bad way. They are the shepherds of the flock and can lead people to salvation, it's a very big responsibility.

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>>128276957
>>128276996
Good bumping Catholads.

Pic related: church I attended when I was in Geneva

>>128277365
I actually think the West can only be saved IF the calibre of priests increases. From a strictly worldy view, the Church is in a unqiue position to save the West because:

No political movement comes with the infrastructure (parish of hundreds, maybe 1000+ people who listen to you every Sunday, a school which you control, links with other members of the Church all over the world etc).

Many on here say 'if you want to save the West, have lots of kids', but you can only have 5,6,7,8 etc. As a priest, you have hundreds maybe thousands of spiritual children who you can encourage to have more kids.

tl:dr anyone who cared about the West would become a priest

>>128269681
how 2 strengthen faith

Live from Youth Meeting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBfzEB5BXe4

Do you have such meetings in your country?

>>128269846
Daily Reminder: Jesuit subversion of Protestant nations is behind the degeneracy tearing them apart.
Jesuit strategy has been the same for hundreds of years: sicken the populace, then heal them to hook them.
Don't fall for it.

>>128278018

The Church needs to move forward. Change a few things. As long as you won't allow priests to have sex they will keep raping little boys. Everytime on of these cases pop up it's very bad press for the Church.

And don't forget their stance on condoms. If they change that it could be a blessing for Africa, and thus indirectly the rest of the world.

>>128277365
A young man from my town was recently ordained. It was source of great pride for the town and I'm sorry I missed his ordination.

It's certainly a path that men who are sickened with the modern world should consider.

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>>128277995
>>128278018

Thanks for the input brothers, I've been a Chad all my life and did a lot of degenerate things but recently I head the call and have been striving to better myself since, got my First Communion and been thinking about pursuing priesthood. It worries me the state in which the catholic faith is in my country, we see a lot of weird leftist priests who wrongfully indoctrinate the masses and only contribute to weakening the faith and to the end of western civilization.

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>>128278402
Read about the saints of your country Spanish anon
Daily reading of the Bible
Focus on saying your morning & night prayers

>>128278415
We have some sort of Catholic youth meeting. Think over 10,000 were there this year, but it was never really my thing. I've always prefered traditional over charismatic

>>128278933
Lol no

>>128279287
I know exactly what you mean anon. Think South America has a particular problem with leftist clergy. But we can see it either as a problem or opportunity. We can remain lay members & lament state of our Church, or join ourselves &, like Christ when he whipped the moneylenders in the temple, join the priesthood & contribute to the cleansing of God's Church

>>128269681
It's Saturday you moron. Also, Catholics are Pagans. Checkem'

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>>128269681

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDKGvg6HeyY

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>>128274171
thank you Jesus for killing more nigglets for thou art the God of White Man.

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>>128274171
Spiritual = Being a hippy that just asks stupid questions.

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Today I want to touch on the doctrine of Sola Fide. I have known for a while that many Protestants will simply hold out and refuse to join the Roman Catholic Church simply because of Sola Fide, believing that there was no Church tradition for it. I understand the doctrine I have asked plenty of questions and taken the time to make sure that I do understand it. Here are some quotes from some very reverred Church fathers that did in fact believe it. POpe Clement of Rome, who knew Peter and Paul who is mentioned in Philippians by name. And Saint Ambrose who taught Saint Augustine everything he knew. Saint Augustine did in fact believed in free will as did Ambrose (that's for another time).

Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him. For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. Romans 9:5 From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, "Your seed shall be as the stars of heaven." All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. - 1 Clement to the Corinthians

Catholicism is the mystery Babylon religion.

>>128283101
First, we midt define terms. What does sola fide mean

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IRENAEUS having enquired why the Law was ever given, seeing that Paul declares it to be injurious: S. Ambrose replies that it would have been useless, had we kept that natural law which is written on our hearts, and is found even in infants; but that, this being broken, the former became necessary, that it might take away all excuse by its manifestation of that sin which was afterwards removed by the grace of Christ.


Beginning of the Letter -
Greatly, it would seem, have you been moved by the lesson from the Apostle, having heard read to-day, Because the Law worketh wrath; for where no law is, there is no transgression. And therefore you have thought fit to ask why the Law was promulgated, if it profited nothing, nay rather, by working wrath and bringing in transgression, was injurious....

Now the world becomes guilty before God by the Law, in that all are made amenable to its prescripts, but no man is justified by its works. And since by the Law comes the knowledge of sin, but not the remission of guilt, the Law, which has made all sinners, would seem to have been injurious.....

But when the Lord Jesus came, He forgave all men that sin which none could escape, and blotted out the handwriting against us by the shedding of His own Blood. This then is the Apostle's meaning; sin abounded by the Law, but grace abounded by Jesus; for after that the whole world became guilty, He took away the sin of the whole world, as John bore witness, saying: Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Wherefore let no man glory in works, for by his works no man shall be justified, for he that is just hath a free gift, for he is justified by the Bath. It is faith then which delivers by the blood of Christ, for Blessed is the man to whom sin is remitted, and, pardon granted.

Farewell, my son; love me, for I also love you


Letter 73 by saint Ambrose

>>128283623
This is sola fide

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Ave Maria

>>128283787
Exodos 20:4

"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

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>>128283533
It means faith alone.But what it means is that man is first pardoned by God of his sins and guaranteed salvation. Meaning he certainly won't go to hell. He is justiifed by his faith meaning he is forgiven by God and declared righteous as a gift. They believe good works come as a result of ones faith is a part of the faith and required and necessary the disagreement with most normal catholics is that deeds come before this guarantee of not going to hell. BUt everyone agrees that if you are Jesus's friend you won't go to hell at least. I believe in purgatory, and that normies will have to be pruged further of their iniquity before going into paradise. My point is that you can hold to it if you really want. Some catholics believed there was scripture for it, but you don't have to. Its not heretical, if your talking about the actual doctrine of sola fide which does demand good deeds but in a different order.

>>128283751
Saint Ambrose believed that Peter was the first Pope.

>>128284129
I know the translation. I wanted you to say faith alone for salvation.

Jesus paid for all mans sin on the cross, but we must accept this gift through faith. Just because Jesus paid for all of mans sin does not mean all men are saved.

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>>128283903
Exodus 25:18–20

"And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be".

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KEKOLICKS BTFO

Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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>>128284393
Yeah I agree. I'm pretty old fashioned I believe that purgatory involves lots of fire

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>>128284554
Romans 4King James Version (KJV)

4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

>2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

>5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

>>128284575

The second death is forever. Check Revelation 20.

>>128284554
Somehow I don't think that means you just have to say the magic words and poof, born again and saved.

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>>128284767
I already discussed this look at the posts above. This doesn't mean that Peter wasn't the first pope. And the Church almost always has the best reasons for whatever they do. You are just falling for a bunch of memes

>>128284395
Image=idol

This is not an idol. The ark was filled with the presence of God.

>>128284855
Yeah I know but I didn't say normies would get GTFO into the lake of fire

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>>128284922
Its called trusting in God for your souls salvation.

>>128285057
So why would saved individuals receive punishment for sins that Jesus already paid for?

>>128284812
>wheels in an ocean
God confirmed. Converting to Judaism.

I do hate that Jewish based religions(Christians,Muslims) keep shitting up our National Socialism board.

>>128269681
Spent my Thursdays after school getting Catholic classes so I could get baptized. Friends all called me a gay retard for it.

Did I make the right choice Jesus?

>>128285313
Matt 3:11

I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

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>>128285187
Well there are several categories of normies. And it all has to do with free will. Not everyone is ready or wants God's grace but they are more than willing to coperate with him. In the end some people just lack good judgement and need some purging. Like in this life God does repirmand you, to heal you not to "get even with your sin". Parents will do this with their children. If a child plays with a gun or says mean things at school they punish them to keep them safe and well, even while forgiving them. If you are able to get pass this and learn quickly without punishment then by all emans walk into paradise I won't stop you

>>128285695
Im not talking about normies.

Why would saved Christians go to purgatory if Jesus already paid for their sins?

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>>128285819
Yeah sure. They're on God's good side and they want to cooperate and be loving. They really want to. They don't need to go to hell. Some people are on the fast track (Cannonized saints) and some people are onthe slow track. They might be on the fast track but then fall off, but usually not. It's like the Undying lands, it's great because of hte people that are allowed there not becase you wouldn't die if you reached it, heaven is a gated community

>>128285095
It's kosher switch tier heresy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdbkvJznmwU

Don't even have to try to be a better person than you are. You're born again! You are saved! All you have to do is wait for the rapture!
You're just crying Lord, Lord. But that's not enough. Just Fait alone will be not be enough.

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>>128285313
Compete to the end, my friend, then you will receive the crown of righteousness.

>>128285695
you're fat and stupid

>>128286056
Only saints go to heaven according to the Bible

>>128286153
Faith without works is dead
Faith saves.
Works does not save.

These ideas all coexist without conflicts.

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>>128285215
Indeed. It is shameful that Christianity is so leftist today. If they had even read the Bible they would see that there are more right-oriented passages than leftism inside.

Of course, Christians usually either read the Bible or think about what it is written, not both. Christianity was devised to keep the masses stupid.

>>128285313
You cannot follow Jesus and be australian at the same time. Christians without weapons aren't Christian at all.
>Luke 22:36 "Now, however, He told them, the one with a purse should take it, and likewise a bag; and the one without a sword should sell his cloak and buy one."
But you tell this to """"""christians"""""" and they deny more than Peter denied Jesus.

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>>128286227
>>128286370

When I mean normies I mean Chrisitan normies, your cafeteria catholics. GOd likes them. I don't have an issue with them either. They go mass the minimal times fine. But some people have baggage when they move on to the next life and theyll want God to handle it before the settle in.

You think this is somehting people don't want your wrong. Like Purgatorio from Dante, some men are doing physical feats but they want to to make something of themeslves and get fit, to prove to the world and God they are no longer silly goy. I'ts like in animu when the hero wants to go out ona crazy side quest. he needs to prove himself to his friends. There are others that are a part of the Church but are SOBS they aren't willing but God will purge them of their filth. THey met God halfway so God won't just screw them over hell work with it. and try them in thefire

>>128286370
Saint: anyone who is saved
Saved People: go to heaven

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Remember if you go to purgatory YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT GO TO HELL. You are guaranteed salvation.

How would you anons strengthen youth's fate in Catholicism and its traditional values?

t. prottie considering of converting

>>128286898
at this rate we should take only the ones who want to persevere. we know since long time that quantity means nothing

>>128286672
The wages of sin is death. Thats the infinte seperation from God.

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>>128284997
>You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven.

>God commands them to make an image of something that is in heaven

Is God confused?
Or are you just arbitrarily using your own definition of idol and image?

>>128286729
Exactly

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>>128286898
Show them the degerenarcy pol has on threads all the time and show the policies of the catholic church and how this prevented that

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>>128287260
>infinite separation

>if I make my bed in sheol thou art there oh God.

>>128287305
The Hebrew word translated “graven image” means literally “an idol.”

>>128287431
Sheol is not hell.

Sheol is where the old testament saints waited to go to heaven before Jesus performed the sacrifice on the cross.

>>128287676
Sheol is simply land of hte dead. This includes purgatory, hell, and Abraham's bosom.

Does anyone have any writings about Saint Worship (not veneration)? Promoting, discussing, or decrying it, I'm just interested in actual discussions on the subject by historical writers not just edgy Protestants reeing about Mary.

I'm not so much interested in Santa Muerte or Voodoo but won't complain about info on their practices.

>>128287858
Hell is empty.

Second Thessalonians 1:7–9 says that those who do not know God “will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction,away from the presence of the Lord

>>128288081
If it's empty now it's going to be pretty fucking full of edgelords really soon.

>>128287995
Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.”

>>128288172
Keks
Kinda sad tho desu

>>128288226
Reread my post, I'm interested in historical discussions about it, not what the Bible says.

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>>128288321
Eh I'm not that sad.

God is omnipresent he is present in hell and everyone else. You cannot be "infintely Separated from God" no one is truly cut off from Him because if they were they would cease to exist. We depend on Him for our existence. Hell is a literal fire and God is present there in everyway

>>128288226
But the Saints are alive in heaven.

>>128288452
I personally believe hell will destroy the wicked's soul amd they cease to exist. Hell is a place of eternal rot. Not saying evil deeds will be first punished before the destruction of the soul, however.

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So basically normies go to purgatory, youll have a few seasons in your own animu and get fit and fight some inner and outer demons. Realize you were a fucking normie and youll be allowed into paradise, your norminess is forgiven by grace and its all good

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>>128288768
They will exist forever, it says forever and ever.
>Eternal rot
What an orthodox meme every verse in the bible about judgement and hell involves FIRE.

>>128288627
Saved souls are in heaven. They have yet to receive their bodies however.

>>128288954
htey have bodies. You're pushing a platonist ideology. It's temprorary but you can walk around and see things and touch things

>>128289072
No they dont.

The saints in heaven will receive ressurected bodies when the trumpet sounds and the dead in christ rise first.

Jesus' ressurected body was his ressurected physical body. The souls of the saved await this.

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who the hell is that ?

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the ufo ?

>>128288895
Ok i agree.

How do we force Francis to resign? Find corruption in Argentina?

Thoughts?

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>>128289387
Paul talks about having a "tent" in heaven. When I mean a body I mean you have an image that a man can see and you can act through it somehow, and talk and see things. The ressurected body will be far better in everyway.


Here's a verse on purgatory the man is guaranteed salvation by the grace of God but your fedoras and iphones will be destroyed. Literally.
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

So you will not be naked and ashamed in heaven, awaiting the ressurection

>>128288895
I dont see forever and ever.

>>128289750
You are one hell of a normie if you don't remember a single verse that says forever and ever.

>>128269681
Fuck Catholics and the idea of Catholicism!

Nothing but a bunch of child molesting bastards that lets their priests molest kids and defend their own priests and pope when they touch little kids and promote pedophilia of raping little kids.

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR CULT!

>>128289824
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But ratherfear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

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They shall fall amid those who are slain by the sword. Egypt is delivered to the sword; drag her away, and all her multitudes. The mighty chiefs shall speak of them, with their helpers, out of the midst of Sheol: ‘They have come down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.’ ...
“The princes of the north are there, all of them, and all the Sidonians, who have gone down in shame with the slain, for all the terror that they caused by their might; they lie uncircumcised with those who are slain by the sword, and bear their shame with those who go down to the pit.

“When Pharaoh sees them, he will be comforted for all his multitude, Pharaoh and all his army, slain by the sword, declares the Lord God. For I spread terror in the land of the living; and he shall be laid to rest among the uncircumcised, with those who are slain by the sword, Pharaoh and all his multitude, declares the Lord God.”

Funny how Egyptians which are judged by God to be put to utter ruin don't go to either heaven nor hell.

>>128290207
Yeah sure but I didn't say that means you will cease to exist

>>128289615
This is refrence to sanctification here on earth as a persons faith is perfected

>>128290309
Go away Lutheran not everyone dies with a complete life

>>128290290
>no body
>no soul

Whats left? Thats complete destruction

>>128290357
Again i ask, if Jesus paid for all of mans sin, why would he have to go to purgatory?

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>>128290398
No not really. If you want to be word by word literal

Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

>>128290494
They're normie goy

>>128278700
There's a special place in Hell for Jesuits

>>128269846
Notre Dame de Paris is overrated though, just a few meters away you have the far superior Sainte Chapelle

Same thing in Rheims, the Saint Remi basilisk is far better than the cathedral, but it does make you feel something when you step over the place where Clovis was baptized

>>128277365
only if we can procreate...the best men should be procreating....we need to fix that

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>>128290873
Well that's why it's only the starting point, not the finishing point anon.

Agree with you on Sainte Chapelle

>>128291174
like, there needs to be a parish sperm dump for our priests.

>>128290557
>No not really. If you want to be word by word literal

>Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul
>and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Unbelievers are spiritually dead already. Now their spirit, body, and soul are dead.

>They're normie goy
Temporary punishment is not enough. Death is the seperation from God. That is the punishment for sin.

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>>128290873
basilica

>>128291464
Double nigger

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>>128291273
Dead does mean they don't exist. It means they fucking died. You cannot be separated from God literally or you would cease to exist. Fire is described and darkness but not non existence. You have no verese to back that up, only fire and darkness

>>128291494
Yeah, I thought I would make that mistake

Why are there no pretty Catholic girls that want anything to do with me!?!?!?!?! I want a fuggin wife so I can have 9 kids and pray the rosary with them every night before bed and eventually be one of those families that takes up two whole pews when they come in!

I know we gotta bear our crosses, but can't my cross be something other than having the amazing ability to instantly turn off every woman with whom I spend more than five seconds?

>>128277365
I've thought about it, but I don't think I would fit in. I'm too abrasive. They seem to want milder, more cool-headed men.

>>128287514
Graven means carved; sculptured. So a painting would be fine but a statue would be not?

The crux of the matter is that idolatry is worshipping something other than God, as if it was God. Wether it is a statue, money or your ego.
We are not worshipping statues as if they were God, and we are not worshipping Mary as if she was God, no matter how much semantics and circular logic you wish to use.

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>>128275272
Chartres is one of the beautiful places on Earth

>>128291572
Yeah i agree. Matthew still says the soul is destoyed tho :*)

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>>128292546
That's where the pilgrimage mentioned in the second post finishes

Trailer from an EWTN doc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV4Es7LzvVE

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>>128292544
Hmmm

>>128292806
But not the spirit. Show me that verse. And it say smany times in the bible that the body will exist forever and ever in hell

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>>128293184
Uhhnh

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>>128293184
>>128293318
>It's idolatry because I say it is!

t. heretic

>>128293303

Ephesians 2
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

>>128293184
>>128293318
While there are some Marian cults that take things too far, the Church has always distanced itself from them and worked to educate the normally uneducated about the proper way to venerate and communicate with Mary.

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>>128293462
Sure but it doesn't say that the spirit is purged into non existence

>>128293490
Trying to communicate with dead people is a sin. Thats why we pray to Jesus who is alive.

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>>128293521
The first death the body ceases to be
The second death the soul ceases to be

The spiritual death happened when adam sinned (original sin)

Red pill on Catholicism: https://youtu.be/w8Vc8mfPDSI

>>128293521
Oh and great pic btw :)

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You know this is the one hting I do like about the baptist evangelical crown. THey know their hellfire verses and good. Good that they know it is a literal fire.

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

>>128293993
>posting a possessed "pastor"

poor soul

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>>128294022
NO more smiley faces literally only people who have told me "hail satan" use smiley faces on pol

DAILY REMINDER CHRISTIANITY IS RUINING AMERICA

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Might be the right thread to ask; As a measure of helping Christian symbolism, I'm wearing a rosary. Lost the little Jew on a stick dangling from it two times. Strangely always found him again,lying around somewhere he shouldn't have been, finally just losing two of the wooden pearls and now carrying Joshua in my pocket, just wearing the rosary around my neck.

What did your god try to tell me, or was it rather a message from your messiahs?

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>>128294133
You should replace the wood with onyx and gold goy

>>128294114
Satan has no power over us.

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>>128286672
>>128285695
>>128286056

Here's another purgatory verse
"For thou shalt beat him with the rod and shalt deliver him from hell."


>>128294274
All satanists say they have power over the demons they summon but we all know who is cucking who filthy goy

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>>128294274
Yeah, you said the magic words and now you're saved because you're born again.
Halleluja!
Going straight to heaven!

>>128293609
Those who are in Christ live forever and still live to this day. For it is written:

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26 And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” 27 “Yes, Lord,” she answered, “I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world.”
John 11: 25-27

>>128269681
Going to the sacrament of Penance with my family today, anons.
Gay pride celebration happening a block away.
I heard chatter by some of the little trendy sodomites at the convenient store yesterday talk about "protesting the Catholic Church."

Gay pride celebration is hosting an "interfaith" service put on by Protestants (Methodists and Episcopalians) and Jews (a local synagogue). We're in a "conservative" area so there are no openly heretical, dissenting Catholic priests who will be attending, thank God.

If anything happens or is going on when we go to the sacrament of penance, I will record and start a thread.

Godspeed.
Dominus vobiscum.

>>128294454
James 4:7 Submityourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

>Steven Anderson holds up a bible
>"This is God, behold your God"
>wtf I hate Anderson now
>priest holds up a cracker
>"This is God, behold your God"
>wtf I love idolatry now
Really makes you think

reminder that thread name is catolic general, not vatican 2 cultist general

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Here's an acceptable explanation that protestants can understand and not take issue with. There are people you call "false christians" who do the deed but don't truly trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. You've all had pastors discussing these people in Church. A popular subject to ensure you're not one of them but that you "really beleive".

These people after they die are part of the body of Christ so they won't go to hell. They are guaranteed salvation because they are willing and want to trust but just aren't there yet instead they desire the law not grace. So when they die they go to purgatory, Purgaotrians all go to heaven, they cannot go to hell but they will be put under the law to recieve grace. Then they are truly saved and have saving faith.


I don't think Protestants woul take issue with this

>>128285215
I'm glad to have national socialists on this christian board. They are like confused lost lambs ready to be herded back to jesus' flock

>>128294645
Their spirit is alive in Christ. Their bodies are physically dead.

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>>128294795
This can't apply to you since you worship the devil.

catholics are gay

>>128283236
The catholic religion started around jesus then entered rome.
The talmud and the koran originated in babylon.

>>128295011
The wages of sin is death. Death is forever.

>>128295376
And the catholic religion is based on the the Babylonian secret goddess religion.

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>>128295378

Yeah we all know this anon

>>128289942
We forgive you anon

>>128269681
I'm going to a 7 PM mass tonight.

It's close to Uni, so plenty of asian qts.

Any tips/stories on how to pick up girls at church

>>128295526
So how can sin be forgiven by temporary suffering in hades/purgatory?

>>128295571
Midnight mass is comfy and romantic especially when singing in latin

>>128294820
>be Ignatius of Antioch
>be personal friend of St. John the Apostle, sat at his feet
>be ordained a Bishop by St. Peter
>be over flock in Smyrna
>be captured by Romans and brought to Rome for martyrdom
>writes his flock while in captivity, 110AD
>"wheresoever the Bishop is, let the people be, even as Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic church."
>admonishes his flock to steer clear of the heretics, Gnostics, because they reject Holy Communion is the actual Body and Blood of Christ
>http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-longer.html
>110AD
For reference
>the canon of Holy Scriptures wasn't put into final canon until 382 at the Council of Rome, reaffirmed in 393 at the Synod of Hippo, and reaffirmed again in 419, Council of Carthage

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>>128295664
Because they're normies who need to be taught a damn lesson

>>128295223
The euarchist isnt Jesus' blood and body. It has no power to forgive sin.

>>128295526
>Angels
>White

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>>128295776
>>128295791
You're right tho some of them are RED

>>128295011
>These people after they die are part of the body of Christ
False brothers are not member's of Christ's Church.
>They are guaranteed salvation because they are willing and want to trust
They are guranteed damnation because they are not imputed the perfect righteousness of Christ. It doesn't matter how willing they are to trust their idols, unless they believe on Christ, they will be damned.
>Then they are truly saved and have saving faith
Saving faith is a pure trust, and not mere mental assent, so no, they do not.

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>>128295886
>false brothers

You put people in these categories but not every "legalist" as you would put it is what Paul called "ungodly" "pure" Faith well hence a fire, fires are cleansing sources of God. Which burn away the filth and corruption inwardly.
As it is written
For the Lord is a consuming fire

>>128295774
The Bible teaches no such thing.

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>>128274171
Hey everyone, I found 1DGzSz3T

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Why do Protestants always come into Catholic generals and shitpost?

Just go make your own threads.

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The ultimate Catholic redpill.
Pic related.

>>128296125
>You put people in these categories but not every "legalist" as you would put it is what Paul called "ungodly"
All sinners are ungodly
>Faith well hence a fire, fires are cleansing sources of God. Which burn away the filth and corruption inwardly.
The divine fire is a wrath, but the wrath of God was poured in full on Christ. There is no more filth to burn away, the corruption was washed away by the blood of the Lamb alone.

>>128296303
We're sharing the gospel with unbelievers

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>>128296348
>all sinners are ungodly

Not exactly. The Jews described "ungodly" is hillary tier evil. But not everyone is called ungodly, some are fools, others are just backslidden.

so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Of course it's divine wrath. But divine wrath in the old testament and the new shows a wrath that burns away what is evil and keeps the good. Hence 1/3 of the Jews surviving Jacob's trouble, because they repented

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>>128296400
Which teachings exactly are you spreading?

There's more than 33,000 Protestant denominations and each one has teachings that contradict the others.

If you have nothing to contribute and you're here to hate on us or the Church, just leave. We're here for Catholic fellowship.

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>>128295571
Only go to church if you actually believe in God, anon.

Also, don't go up for communion if you're not a Catholic in good standing.

God bless.

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My town's feast is September 23 and we'll be celebrating pic related.

Catholic or Pagans in disguise?

>>128295698
Hey I'm a big fan of latin masses but have not found on in my town.

In all seriousness though, I have no idea how to interact with the opposite sex in a church setting.

I mean what are you supposed to talk about, the scriptures?

>>128296610
>Which teachings exactly are you spreading?
The good news
>you're here to hate on us or the Church
I don't hate you, I just want you to be saved
>>128296608
>The Jews described "ungodly" is hillary tier evil
All people are "hillary tier" evil
>But divine wrath in the old testament and the new shows a wrath that burns away what is evil and keeps the good
There is no "good". Hence why our Lord died on a cross.

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>>128296950
>all people
Calvinist detected

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“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

>>128296841
Gotcha.

I am catholic but in a majority muslim country. So it can be tough sometimes

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>>128296950
>The good news
That's why I asked: which Protestant community do you specifically belong to? There's thousands of varying teachings for Protestants, which is why I'm curious.
>>128296937
I'm not sure if mass is the right time to approach a girl. Try signing up for parish events, such as Bible study or a youth group. That's where most people go to find a spouse.
>>128296899
Celebrating feast days of saints is perfectly fine. :) They're people that we should aspire to become.

>>128296899
Hey what's your thoughts on Duterte, I know he's shitting on the church and all. But he brings up good points

>>128296303
Because they are "protesting". Protestantism has no meaning without catholicism. They are leeches that exist purely to shit on the body of christ

>>128297413
Pretty much desu

>>128296899
Sept 23 is rev 12s sign anon.

>>128297413
Protestant Christianity is Biblical Orthodoxy.

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>>128297413

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>>128269681
Beginner Catholic here. Do I have to genuflect before entering this thread?

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>>128297866
Welcome to the faith, man! :D

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>>128297490
That's why I'm wondering.
Pic related is our Church's symbol. (notice the 12 stars)

>>128297403
I think Duts is right. The church here is very corrupt.
As in the-cardinal-assassinates-politicians and kiddy-diddling corrupt

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>>128296937
Kek think about what a zealous Roman would do

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>>128297770
>take out seven books
>call it Biblical Orthodoxy

>>128298818
Lol saved
Love that guy

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You forgave the iniquity of your people;
you covered all their sin. Selah.

God forgives you senpai

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>>128299399
>cross without Jesus

>>128297413
The Catholic church is a whore.

Popes worship Satan and are of Satan.

Mary was blessed, but she isn't an intermediary between you and God any more than LeBron James is an intermediary.

Catholicism is just paganism rebranded with Christian names.

Peter was not a pope, nor did Jesus ever mention such a stupid thing.

If you are a devout Catholic then you are a Pagan, not a christian

>>128299524

This art is found under Ghent Altarpiece Singing Angels by Van Icke

>>128297383
>There's thousands of varying teachings for Protestants
No there isn't
>>128298818
Those books were never scripture. They are excellent proof that not only did Rome not create the canon, but that it erred in its "infallible" canon.

>>128278018
>need more priests
As if there aren't enough satanic pedophile faggots on the planet.

>>128300058
>Those books were never scripture.

Who decided that? On what authority?
You ripped them out because they contradicted your heresies.
And then you have the gall to call it orthodoxy.
May God forgive you.

You know pol is right about the Jews being behind literally everything. The other day I was looking into somenice classical music and I had accidentally discovered that Lutes are a Jew only instrument and ispart of some sort of conspiracy with Venetian (((merchants)))

>>128298252
Which brings up the next question... what to do in the face of a corrupt church?

Do we just pray

>>128299862
Protestants are autistic and hate the body of christ

>>128291852
Keep praying brother. I think they have specific prayers for singles like yourself

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Currently in the process of applying to seminary.

I can't wait to become a priest.
>>128300370
stay salty, heretic

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>>128302455
We have a shortage of priests. thanks anon

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>>128302114
I think we can find the answer by somewhat looking at it from a Petersonian perspective.
First we have to sort ourselves out and then we have to stop lying and speak the truth.
It sounds silly and simple but it's really serious and way harder than you think.

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>>128302455
Very glad to hear it anon. And thank you in advance. There will undoubtedly be times you feel isolated & doubt, wondering whether it'd be easier to stop & go off and lead a degenerate life like most, but remember your sacrifice will be rewarded with more than we'll ever know on this earth

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>>128303574
Thank you for the kind words, anons. :)

May God bless you and your families.

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>>128303291
Peterson is jst another Self Improvement Goy. With His SIG threads. everyone on there is admitting to getting black pilled and I skimmed through several of his videos and he never says anything substantial. He's not even a useful goy. And he' snot even a Christian or a theist

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>>128303728
Your welcome anon God bless you all too.

>>128299862
>redditposting

>>128303905
Damn that body of christ looks tasty

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>>128302455
God bless you and keep you.

Holy Michael, the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our safeguard against the wickedness
and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do you, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God cast into hell Satan
and all the evil spirits who wander through the world
seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy,
hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve:
to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.
Turn then, most gracious Advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us,
and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus,
O merciful, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!
Amen.

>>128303781
I believe he is an honest man looking for the answers to his existencial questions and that he shares what he finds.
I have watched a lot of his videos and I find that he has many useful things to say. And he considers himself to be Christian, although he is most likely non-denominational.
The thing is, he is not a catholic apologist and it's not actually about the mystical stuff. And a lot of people get turned off by that because he looks like he is dodging the questions. And he is, that's the point.
He is giving a scientific explanation of why the psychological presuppositions of Christianity are basically true.

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Anyone else pray to the Shoulder Wound of Christ?

O Loving Jesus, meek Lamb of God,
I miserable sinner,
salute and worship the most Sacred Wound of Thy Shoulder
on which Thou didst bear Thy heavy Cross, which so tore Thy flesh
and laid bare Thy Bones as to inflict on Thee
an anguish greater than any other wound of Thy Most Blessed Body.
I adore Thee, O Jesus most sorrowful;
I praise and glorify Thee,
and give Thee thanks for this most sacred and painful Wound,
beseeching Thee by that exceeding pain,
and by the crushing burden of Thy heavy Cross to be merciful to me,
a sinner,
to forgive me all my mortal and venial sins,
and to lead me on towards Heaven along the Way of Thy Cross.
Amen.

>>128304922
Background for the prayer:

It is related in the annals of Clairvaux that St. Bernard asked our Lord which was His greatest unrecorded suffering, and Our Lord answered: "I had on My Shoulder, while I bore My Cross on the Way of Sorrows, a grievous Wound, which was more painful than the others, and which is not recorded by men. Honor this wound with thy devotion, and I will grant thee whatsoever thou dost ask through its virtue and merit. And in regard to all those who shall venerate this Wound, I will remit to them all their venial sins, and will no longer remember their mortal sins."

I say it every night. Once for myself, and then once for my family. I don't know if it's okay but when I say it the second time I replace the words "me" with "us". I haven't asked a priest if it's okay to do that because I'm afraid he'll say not to do it but I want to say it for my family because they are good, faithful people but they don't go to Church a whole lot and very rarely go to Confession, which scares me.

>>128300877
>Who decided that?
God, who did not inspire them. It is not the place of man to decide something to be inspired, it is the place of God who gives scripture to govern His people.

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>>128304757
He says he's a Christians lots of heretics will call themselves Christians.In fact every video where he says whether he believes in God or not he will not answer instead talks about the logos which can mean a hell of a lot of things depending on your Greek philosopher,. Technically honest but he isn't telling people everything they need to know, like works without faith and love are dead

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>>128304649
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>>128304649
Thanks anon, same to you! Very nice prayer. :D

Recently started going to mass, despite being raised an atheist.

I've been going to mass, but I am still unsure how one becomes a proper catholic.

I've been reading The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the early Christian writings by Bart D. Ehrman.

What should I do/ read next? All I want is to become a proper catholic.

>>128305525
>>128305525
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/bart-ehrman
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

And htese videos are from the archive this guy refutes bart Erhman easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldvim1yjYM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtL8hCrvctc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wUcrwYocgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKzSV8bWKk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5kJuTkUo0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJizWvoGCIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7_NKv6_Sg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHofTmolbi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAPG3eECaxw

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>>128305525
You should sign up for RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults) at your parish. These are meetings for adult converts to Catholicism or those who want to learn more about the faith. It's led by the priest and there'll be other people there who don't really know much about the faith, so it's the perfect place to learn more.

If you need help finding more parishes, I suggest this website: https://masstimes.org/

God bless, anon! :)

>>128305790
I don't agree with Mr. Ehrman. Someone suggested reading it, so I did and I didn't agree with him.

What I am looking for is advice as to how I should become a proper catholic. What I should read and do next.

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>>128305525
Do RCIA they will have some sort of initiation thing and you will get baptized and 1st communion

>>128306204
Oh thank God, well thats there just in case then. Good

>>128306204
You should seek to be a follower of Jesus Christ first and foremost. Read John, Romans, Galatians and Hebrews.

>>128306204
You should speak with your priest about RCIA. These meetings will eventually culminate with you receiving the sacraments.

>>128305525
please dont call novus ordo the mass

>>128306542
It's the mass. Councils and the pope have the authority to change the structure of mass.

Why do we have a (((Catholic))) thread here pol sucks these days

>>128306090
>>128306350
>>128306502
If I ask the priest after novus ordo about RCIA, will he give me further information?

>>128306420
I read the bible on a daily basis.

>>128307002
I've been seeing less shills actually

>>128307113
Why do you want to be Catholic?

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>>128274171

>>128306996
vatII shill detected

dont you have some nigger feet to kiss

>>128307113
Yeah, definitely speak to him after mass.
>>128307245
Don't try to lead him into heresy, my friend.

>>128307113
Sure

>>128307388
>Don't try to lead him into heresy
I would never. I only lead people to the truth of scripture

>>128307373
If I'm lying then how come the Roman Missal was aloud to be forced on everyone, ending most local rites? How come the pope can revise the breviary but not the missal?

>>128286615
>Peter
Who was also armed.

>>128307245
I came to the conclusion that this life is simply a dream that precedes some other afterlife and that that afterlife can be of the one or other nature, such as a dream can either be a nightmare or not.

I believe that if I follow the teachings of Christ and the Catholic church, that I will be able to enter a greater afterlife than the life I am currently going through at this time.

>>128307373
>vatII shill
I'm not even Catholic

>>128307907
its not about the language you retard
mass was held in languages different than lating all the way through history
if you think novus ordo is only about the language youre mentally challenged

>>128308080
The structure of mass has changed over history. Read a book you fucking retard.

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>>128308248
wow youre even more retarded than i thought

>>128307934
As already stated, Paddy, ask the priest at your parish. You said you were raised atheist, so does that mean no baptism, holy communion etc?

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>>128308259

>>128308259
there's no proof or indication that Christianity holds back Islamism anywhere except perhaps in Eastern Europe

who'd have guessed that a religion about open borders, turning the other cheek and race mixing would do literally nothing to help protect western civilization?

>>128308490
I was just answering that anon's question about why I wanted to become a catholic.

I was never baptised and I never attended holy communion. I will ask the priest tomorrow after novus ordo.

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>>128308674

>>128308080
It's all some of us have, so while I appreciate some of the criticisms that are leveled against the modernization, I do not appreciate being told that I am going to Hell or am sinning because I make do with what I have and submit humbly to the authority of the Church.

Do not be like Luther and cause Schism. BEAR YOUR CROSS!

>>128308674
>what is KKK

>>128308419
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Tridentine_Mass#Comparison_of_the_Mass.2C_c._400_and_1000_AD
Read a fucking book, faggot

>>128308745
>Do not be like Luther and cause Schism. BEAR YOUR CROSS!
ahahahaha im gonna be schismatic af instead of bowing down to people who openly deny parts of old testament tehy dont like, openly suck dick to protestants, give out condoms to africans, support liberals and globalists
kys literally and unironically

>>128308259
Literally the only positive part about christianity is giving a shared identity and communal space (church). This could be accomplished by almost anything.

Otherwise every detail of Christianity is "being nice" and inviting the muslims to live as neighbors.

>>128308899
Foolish. Very foolish.

You'll trade away eternity for the passing flavors of today.

>>128308815
>change through time is the same as turning your religion into a protestant freemasonic death cult and changing its basic premises
fuck you vatII mongrel

also,
>american
>tell others to rea a book
i kek'd

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>>128308674
>American education

>>128308709
Ok. Don't focus on the 'novus ordo' stuff yet. That comes once you're actually in the Church. Yeah, as stated, ask your priest & he'll start you on the RCIA course, which is solid enough, but depends a lot on the person teaching you. Luckily, you can learn a lot yourself online. Catechism, Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theoligae etc.

If you want to try the Latin Mass (it's what I prefer, but it's not a necessity) there is a link for Latin masses in Ireland in the OP

>>128309017
kys undeducated low iq midwestern retard

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>>128308914
>Cumming space
Oh get real did you learn that from (((Philosphy of religion))) At least my jewish philosphy tutor gave us days off on jewish holidays. I bet he worked you like a GOY

>>128309038
>slav thinking he CAN read

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>>128269681

>>128309313
ahahahahahahahah
nice diverting from the fact that i caught you being a phylistine retard

>>128277365
how old, brother? I'm considering it although I'm feeling it might be a bit late (26 yo)

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REMINDER - THIS IS A SPONSORED THREAD:


(Mossad), the paid Catholic shills, and the Paid Russian Orthodoxy shills push this... All of these groups = the Alt-Right meme.


The "elite" is code for Jews and their blackmailed sociopath pedophiles (Hillary's mom was a Jew). Because Jews run a child sex slave ring out of Ukraine/Israel and sometimes South America (see Hatti and Clintons) and use pedophiles as their boot-licking goy politicians/celebrities.

They use the symbolism of the occult because it's a marketing campaign to cover up for Zionist and Jewish Communist crimes/power moves. The occult became degenerate as fuck ever since Thelma (Alestor Crowley), Anton (((Levy))) of Hollywood Satanism, and Navy Intelligence groups took over the scene; although it was always a place for scam artists. Freemasons became corrupted after being bought out by Jews in the mid-1800s -- thanks to Napoleon emancipating the Jews and the Rothschild take over Britain with the fall of Napoleon (See Rothschild's run on the stocks after Battle of Waterloo)

Catholics and Russians are both pro-Communism and therefor cover for them too by telling you it's "Satanists" and not Jewish Communists and their Zionist mafia allies. This is something the John Birch Society did when re-inventing the "Illuminati" meme (see Alex Jones connection).

Moloch = word meaning KING (Assyrian)

Moloch propaganda = Jewish hate of enemy king, like they do to Assad

's'atan = Aramaic word meaning "adversary", any adversary, or many adversaries.

Satan the character = Catholic meme to demonize our ancestral gods and dumb down Bible references for stupid plebeian audiences.

Synagogue of Satan = Pro-Roman Jews. Jesus was a Zealot.

Lucifer = Morning Star
Jesus = Morning Star
Luciferians = Christian monks who pissed off the Pope

Judaism = pre-Christianity

Marxism/Communism = Post Christianity Judaism

Cultural Marxism = critical theory, aka strategy to demoralize the Jew's enemies.

>>128309407
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_X#Liturgical_changes
>denies popes can change the liturgy