IQ is the final redpill

>>128267382
>>>/mlp/
fml i hate waking up on saturday

IQ is a meme desu

IQ was my first redpill. When I was 10 I "tested out" of my Catholic school and was encouraged to apply to Lakeside School -- a 5-12, mini-Harvard prep academy in Seattle. I had received the best Iowa Test and IQ scores in the history of my Catholic school (yes, they tested for IQ) and the admin was concerned it wouldn't be a challenge.

At Lakeside, I was near the back of the pack, surrounded by actual geniuses. I knew three guys who got a perfect 1600 on their SAT, including my closest friend. The teachers were like high-quality professors. One of the high school math teachers invented Excel.

Happy to answer any questions about what next-level smart people are like. I don't consider myself one of them but I've known a lot of them.

>>128270033

Do they work a lot or do they work for very small amounts of time but get stuff done

>>128270033
why are they so worthless in politics? Too smart for democracy?

>>128270774

They work about as long on a given project as an average person. But cutting corners isn't an option -- the project will always get thoroughly done. (Intelligence is defined by some psychologists as "heightened sensitivity and the urge to perfect." That urge to perfect can mean that sometimes a really smart person will "go deep" with a project and choose to spend 3x as much time on it.) I think one difference is that the smartest people I know do things in their free time that would seem like work to most people. e.g. the good friend of mine who got the 1600 made a feature-length B-movie involving lots of actors and locations, just for fun. He never "vegged out" for more than ten minutes. Smart people are also always reading for enjoyment -- usually in the middle of 2 or 3 books.

>>128271340
Did you know any of them who were lazy but still smart?

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>>128267382

IQ dictates Society progress in Men.

It doesn't really change things with Women.

>>128271295

They really are politically worthless. No trust of populism. Lost in the weeds of leftist doctrines and historical narratives. One of my Lakeside friends' dads teaches at the notorious Evergreen College.

There are a few freak libertarians who have been redpilled on free markets by their own success. For example I have a friend who started a business in Tokyo, despite being white. He's redpilled.

>>128267382
Honestly anon I can see envy dripping from your every word. Not that I blame you for it because who doesn't wish they were a super genius?

>>128271494
That would be me. We were assigned hundreds of pages of reading per week, but I was more interested in extracurriculars (music). I got very good at just reading enough portions of a novel to be able to write a proper-sounding essay on it. In one math class, our teacher would just walk around the room and visually confirm that we had our homework. I would often only do enough HW to cover one side of the sheet. Maybe I'm contradicting myself -- that's certainly cutting corners. But I think of that kind of HW as just part of the relentless background noise of Lakeside.

Btw Lakeside has bluepilled itself on race and has dedicated itself to accepting a racially representative pizza pie of students, so things may be different now. Over 50+ of my class was either Jewish or Asian, though.

>>128271899
*over 50%

>>128271899
How many were black?Just curious.

Do you know or remember the ethnicity of the people who were top of their classes?

The one kid I know that got a perfect score on SATs is also one of the biggest leftists I know. I think it is because of all his successes in life have been academic related, and therefore he is addicted to authoritative systems. In all other aspects of his life he has been a failure and last I heard he has taken almost 2 years off from the Ivy League school he goes to.

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>>128271640
>>128271340

You make it sound like STEMfags are just more efficient industrial computers.
They don't reject philosophy but it's a "waste" of their abilities.

It seems to me that genius is often misconstrued as superiority, when in fact there are clear disadvantages. Heightened sensitivity makes you an exposed nerve in an armored world. Drive to perfection creates specialists, deepening the societal isolation that began with their sensitivity and (likely) privileged background.

>>128270033
>invented Excel
>an achievement instead of something to be ashamed of

seriously tough, why are you on /pol/? This boeard is for retarded rednecks, shoo, shoo!

>>128267382

It really is true, most normies barely even have the ability to have abstract thoughts and I routinely hear things like "I don't really think about things that aren't in my life" from IQlets.

Oh look, another IQ thread
Its a slide thread, but through their inaction, the mods actually encourage slide threads

>>128272266
We had four black people in our graduating class of 115. Two of them were half-black. East Asians and Jewish people graduated near the tops of their class. Plus a segment of really boring, seemingly on-the-spectrum White kids who I could never relate to because they seemed totally sheltered and uninterested in culture.

>>128272672
I'm showing my biases regarding STEM. I was a rare artfag at my school. To be fair, I would bet that a lot of those STEM kids have grown into an interest in philosophy after high school; I just haven't kept in touch. The school did try to turn us into well-rounded Renaissance Nongendered Bipeds.

(Context: I consistently score in the 92nd percentile on standardized math tests, and the 99th percentile on verbal tests. So I'm more of a math person than the average fag, but at Lakeside that put me hopelessly behind the curve.)

>>128273027
Retarded rednecks are fun. I had more sheer fun with my grade school friends, who were all class clowns and troublemakers, than I did with my high IQ friends.

>>128267382
I've never really not believed in the heritability of intelligence and especially ethnic differences in this regard. Doesn't take a genius to see it, just have to be honest with yourself and be resistant to social pressure.

As for talking to normal people, most people simply can't think. I'm not that big a fan of Jordan Peterson (I don't dislike him just not as enamored with him as a lot of people around here) but he said something I found funny. He said most people don't think, ideas pop into their heads and they believe them. /pol/ is better than most places on the internet but I see a lot of people just parroting shit they've read and trying to masquerade that as critical thought.

I'm not saying people shouldn't assimilate good ideas and arguments they've read, I'll straight up steal phrases I like, but I can tell when someone's knowledge is superficial. That and people taking bad premises at face value are probably the most annoying and persistent issues I have with /pol/. You'll see topics like 'Why are high IQ people socially inept?' 'Why are leftists so much smarter than right wingers?' And maybe one person in the topic will question the premise at all. I'm not greedy. I don't need brilliant STEM grads from high level schools. I'd settle for people who can engage at all. Problem is, even with IQ your ability to think also involves the strength of your personality. Like I said earlier, you need to be resistant to peer pressure.

>>128267382
>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc?
I know a tonne of people who went to do STEM at Oxbridge, and even more that did other subjects. They might be real good at science, but they're one-trick ponies in that regard. In most other regards they were retards.

t. grammar school

>>128273817
Sounds good, I'll be stealing this premise and repeating it to my rural and suburban retard IQlet friends, who will then fail to comprehend what I'm saying so I'll look smart.

>>128272453
Ever read anything by Nassim Taleb? He talks about these sorts of people. Not so much the failure part as much as academics being given over to centralizing and meddling. They tend not to trust letting volatility do its thing.

But reading Taleb you'll see an example of what high IQ with a good personality profile looks like. People focus on negative examples too much.

>>128270033
1600 SAT doesn't mean much. I got 1600 SAT and 147 IQ, and I'm 26 with no degree. I would say I'm smarter than average, but only because I tend to learn things much more quickly. I have adhd, depression, and no ambition or drive at all. In fact my dream is to be a stay-at-home dad

>>128273817
that's the funny thing with /pol/. in every IQ thread you got everyone popping out of the woodwork claiming they're 140+ IQ, people that are top 0.1%. they're vastly over represented even if you take into account of the people that don't post in such threads. yet the behavior that you can see across /pol/ is one of low IQ retards. i'd argue that /pol/ is actually below average intelligence, considering acting like retards attracts actual retards that think they're in good company.

>>128274541
Nothing wrong with being rural. Not sure where you got that notion from my comments.

I prefer the company of people of IQs around 100 and 145 or higher. I have an active disdain for people in the 120-135 range who think they're hot shit.

I'm dying of a hangover right now though so I'm not operating very well at the moment.

Fun fact: Freddie Wong got a 1580 on his SAT (when it was out of 1600). Mastering Guitar Hero is the kind of thing people like him do for fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3hZXfNZOE

He now runs a popular YT show so I'm not doxing a private citizen.

>>128275066
It's all good man, we've all been impaired before. "Rural and suburban retards" is a reference to a meme and the other bullshit I typed was just a reference to what you said about people here just parroting shit people have heard while trying to hide it as critical thought.

For the most part, I agree with you. The only thing that gets me is your social pressure comment, which you state but then just kinda let it die only to bring it back at the end with no explanation.

>>128274836
/pol/ is funny because it's filled with people who have a superior moral intuition and can sense bull shit from leftists in academia, but they often lack an ability to articulate it well. I know what it's like to get stuffed in arguments when I'm in a position of ignorance. I understand the impulse to say high IQ people are somehow bad when your only interaction with them is negative. Not fun being told your clear observations are wrong.

Looking back I knew a guy getting a PhD in philosophy who took advantage of my ignorance when I was a kid to push leftism on me in a discussion. He had no interest in helping me articulate my nascent arguments. He totally disregarded the principle of charity and that sticks with me. It wasn't lost on me that this guy was steps from being a PhD in philosophy and he wasn't even abiding by what I'd consider basic decency, all in service of politics. I learned quickly that intelligence alone isn't enough to win arguments, you need to actually know the subjects as well. It's just such complicated world that shit takes time.

>>128267382
Explain me then.

I had an iq of 130 when I was 11ish done professionally. I don't believe it is anywhere close to that anymore, I stopped reading and let my mind rot with video games and drugs.

Is there any way to improve IQ? Read a shitload, do puzzles - Sudoku etc, play chess and so on. I don't like this feeling that I'm getting stupider.

>>128275584
Oh, I mean the emperor has no clothes you can't talk about blacks and IQ and whatever else without losing your job.

Or not letting knee jerk emotional reactions stop your brain from functioning. Cognitive biases don't discriminate. I remember I used to feel my brain slowing down when I heard arguments I didn't like. I didn't like that so I forced myself to listen more intently, but I can just imagine people not doing that and going in the opposite direction.

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>>128275830
>Explain me then.

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>>128267382
This chink believes in the out of africa and global warming shit.
Seems like IQ is a meme or high IQ people are really stupid.

t. low tripple digit IQ guy

>>128275968
Am I making sense? I am delirious right now and my thoughts are fragmented. I haven't had alcohol in a while but I was celebrating last night. Aspirin for the headache, fine. But the cup of coffee has just made me shaky on top of it. Fuck drinking.

>>128276389
IIRC, there was a study done that said high IQ people fall for scams more often

>>128276389
Did you go to his blog? He has some good articles and then some pro-Soros ones. Extract all possible value from people like him and leave the shit behind. He linked to a free book on AI I found interesting.

>>128275968
>>128276556
You're making sense. The first sentence seemed odd, but it got the point across. You could've just narrowed it down to "cognitive biases don't discriminate and can undermine discussion/progression", but it was well said regardless.

>>128275451
Are you saying guitar hero is hard?

>>128276919
Thx.

I'm just writing all this to make my mind focus. It's helping.

>>128275858
Sudoku is hardly a puzzle - it can be solved algorithmically. It's just a chore. Just like rubik's cubes, once you've figured out the pattern it's just applying it ad infinitum. And sudoku doesn't even look impressive to idiots like rubik's does.

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>>128267382

>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc? These people are a higher form of life than most people. It's jarring to go from talking to them to talking to normal people (including 4chan if I'm brutally honest).

Honestly, in the most humble way possible, we are just really efficient learners. We can find and use information very quickly, forming cogent theories that pass academic muster in an interdisciplinary way. It's just an applied school of thought.

We're halfway to retarded when it comes to other personality traits - and 50% of us end up as unachieving wrecks because of the stress they put us through. I know so many social freaks from my Harvard PhD cohort - and Harvard ostensibly selects for leadership skills in addition to pure technical geekery (what MIT and Caltech solely look for)..

250+ leads to suicides and overall aging problems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking#Disability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James_Sidis

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>>128276725
>IIRC, there was a study done that said high IQ people fall for scams more often
It would explain why so many fall for the college debt scam and the false song of globalism.

>>128273151
Yes.
We need more Blacked threads,more Islam is peaceful why you are not islam /pol/ threads.

>>128277683
For example, not knowing what day of the month it is

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>>128277683
>FTW seeing someone in harvard extended studies school trying to act like hes in actual hardvard

>>128271569
Hi Frank!

>>128277683
This so much. All IQ is testing for is your capacity to learn quickly.

>>128278251
>me not caring what you believe because I have an H-index of 12

>>128274784
A fucking leaf.

>>128275858
Yes. IQ changes over time for an individual. The best thing to do is find a subject you're interested and learn - information is everywhere for free now.

Some have pointed out the percentages on /pol/ don't match population - one reason is those using internet IQ test instead of a professionally done tests.

For why high IQ people can be leftists, partly because they believe in expert opinion. They aren't experts in everything and think they should listen to experts in other fields which happen to be leftists.

>>128279571
Expat American, but sure

>>128274784
Wow same here except I'm five years younger. I'm very afraid of ending up like you both through my lack of drive and the the insanity of our post secondary education. Was that another problem for you? Noticing how education has turned more into propaganda than intellectualism.

>>128280985
Yes, although in my field you can mostly get away with certifications instead of an actual degree. But for a long time I bounced around mindless blue collar jobs (land surveying and butcher shop) before finding a wife (Canadian, hence expat) who can work while I finish up my various certs.

>>128280985
>>128283282
*point being that I can avoid school.

>>128267382
i think from what i read? im not 100% sure...
that ppl in STEM also commit the most suicides, especially in the medical field
very sad..

Is there a forum where only high IQ people are allowed to post?

>>128283282
What fields would you recommend if you don't mind my asking? I've always wanted to be studied in Ecology/Evolutionary studies but looking at class demographics recently it's probably not even slightly fulfilling. Plus jobs are kinda scarce cause people care more about muh Climate Change than the actually organisms that make up our planet.

>>128283594
MENSA lmao
Although it's an irl forum so you have to be slightly social.

>>128267382

Im a postdoc at an ivy league... had offers at caltech and other ivies.. we are not a different species at all, most of us are kinda dumb nowadays becsuse of affirmative action and quotas

>>128276389
They have to fool the masses. Even the smart ones. How else will they have people run their shit society?

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>>128277683
Like height or penis size, extreme intelligence is hugely overrated if you don't have it. The hyperactivity of my mind is not a golden ticket. Given discipline and organization I could dump it all into something, but until now that double edge has cut mainly toward myself.

>>128283939
>High IQ Society
>Social

You'd do better going to a machine-learning Meetup group or a futurism society meeting.

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>>128283989
This

>>128270033
Me and my sisters did very well on tests and they in school. Right around where you are I'd guess, clearly not genius level. I did not enjoy school. Gifted education is illegal here(any admission testing or "ability segregation").
I'm very interested in what it was like, overall. Going to a school with standards and intelligent students.

>>128273817
The stats are pretty clear on it.
I've a little anecdote about it, around when I was 14 we got a letter from mensa wanting money. There was a CD disk in it with one of these short preliminary IQ tests on it. Ended up passing the laptop around the room, everyone but mom took it and everyone passed it(only went to 98th percentile). That's one in about 15 trillion odds if it were all random, assuming it somewhat accurate of course.

>>128285072
>English Concentrator
>Submitted jungle-beat nursery rhymes as thesis
>received A- (basically a B- at other schools)

That kid is never going to get into a STEM PhD program.

>>128278742
I think that's taking it a little too far. If you go into maths or something similar you will not have a good time if you're not very smart. We had some education majors with us and that was good for a laugh now and then.
But IQ definitely won't tell you much of a person. It's just pattern recognition and ability to abstract. It's got jack shit to do with personality.

>>128271340
Deep diving into projects, perfectionism; boss is always trying to beat this out of me.

When people talk about how EQ is more important than IQ for real world, is that just a meme/coping mechanism for average people.
Honestly, it seems like the average person is equally good at reading emotions. I think it has to do with how good looking you are to manipulate emotions or get access more emotional info from a person.
Thoughts?

>>128283939
I mean on the internet.

So, since IQ cannot be raised post-natal, and is largely inheritable like height or penis size, should society euthanize or sterilize the lowest 10%? If so, how long do we keep going? At first it may be people with <80 IQ but as they die off and the average rises, should society keep killing off their genes? When do we stop: 90 IQ, 100 IQ, 110 IQ?

What about manlets or people with small penises?

>>128278742
That's not true. Are you good at rotating a 3D object mentally? Are you good at listening to a sequence of ten digits and reciting them back in reserve order? Are you good a slapping a button quickly after a light flashes on? All of those skills are highly g-loaded are correlate closely with IQ. You sound like you haven't read about the subject of intelligence.

>>128283939
Being in the top 2% doesn't mean much. Anyone who comes off as "bright" meets that threshold. It is far from a population of truly, strangely intelligent people who experience life differently from normies.

>>128285888
It taught standards. The teachers would heavily mark up my essays, fixing every out-of-place comma and providing real commentary on my thinkings. My college profs would barely comment at all, as it turned out. I would say the result of this kind of close scrutiny is that it burned away any desire to bullshit. No one at Lakeside bullshitted.

In the "real world" I'm continually stunned by how fraudulent (some) people's work is. When everyone around you is really smart, everyone can sniff out corner-cutting. In that sense, it was a healthy environment. No one dated, though. (Probably because we all commuted 45 minutes from different directions.)

>>128287935
You should go work for a boss who beats you less.

>>128267382
Why do some people believe IQ is an infallible measure for intellect, when people with higher IQ could not come up with a paradigm shifting theory of their own?
What about original thought? Which test measures that?
What test measures people who refuse to just agree with the mainstream?
If IQ is an accurate tool, why has the world gone to shit, listening to high IQ people?
These are the people, who have molded our world? Opinions?

>>128291631
IQ isn't a sufficient condition for original thought, but it's a necessary one.

>>128291846
I disagree.
Apparently you do too.
Your statement contradicts itself.

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>>128285888
>Gifted education is illegal here(any admission testing or "ability segregation").
Just when I thought I couldn't dislike Sweden more than I do, you drop this gem.
Un-fucking-believable.
What the fuck is wrong with you people.

>>128292381
If everyone is to be equal, then they must be dragged to the common lowest denominator

Isn't a prerequisite of a high IQ being dependent on conformity, and complicity with mainstream views?

>>128267382
Yes iq is real and cool. But i would like to identify the precise common factor that those achievers, who are 80 percent high iq but 20 percent average, have in common.

Also, high iq means you are smart, not always right. Smart is like being fast more than knowing where to go.

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>>128292744
It's disgusting and depressing that they fail to see a problem with this and the fact that the opposite approach is actually superior.
They'd rather shoot themselves in the foot in order to have "equality" than nurture talent that will ultimately improve society in a myriad different ways.
I know Serbia has always been a shithole compared to the rest of Europe, but the recent political developments in the West are just sad and economically detrimental.
Fuck Sweden.

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>>128293065
>prerequisite
>dependent
>conformity
>complicity
>mainstream

Big words. Too bad they don't add up to anything.

High IQ, often means you're just really good at remembering what mainstream science, is wrong about.

>>128267382
>These people are a higher form of life than most people
Can confirm. Currently working for aerospace, and there are some genius level motherfuckers here.

>>128293413
You know I am right.
I know you do.

>>128293413
kek, all you have to do, is add IQ, to what you listed of my words, and even that proves my point.
It's still understandable.

>>128293413
Were there more jews than asians, or vice versa?

>>128267382
Thats not how evolution works.

They are more adapted to a niche. That niche has to both continue and expand for them to replace the average person. AI will end that niche. They wont be of any use.

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>>128293674
I surrender.

>>128293788
They were each about a quarter of the class. Honestly, I've had to go back and retroactively identify some of the kids as being Jewish. Having Jewish friends and going to so many Bar Mitzvahs made it so that Jewishness has never seemed as "other" to me as it do to so many /pol/acks.

>>128294220
I suppose you are white. What were some of you and your classmates most exceptional achievements? Were the Jews overall better academically than the Asians?

>>128294220
And what do you mean by 'vegged out'? Be a vegetable and do nothing?

>>128294220
How many wimynz?

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>fathers side are all scientists
>mothers side has an aerospace engineer and mathematician
>I'm a 26 year old college drop out 2x

>>128267382
IQ can't replace values
If a high IQ person believes in equality of outcome or some other such nonsense they'll simply use their smarts to rationalize

>>128271295
That's because democracy is about the stupidity of the voters, not the intelligence of the candidates. Only way to win is to pander to the lowest common denominator, which actual smart people usually don't like to do.

>>128295145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui-Jbaw8rZc

>>128288816
No, it's not a meme. I have a high IQ but I'm socially retarded and my life is shit.

>>128271640

The smartest among them become right-wing again; Occam's Razor.

>>128271899

Find something you love, and spend the rest of your life in it.

Writing 1-page HW essays will never make a difference how smart you are.

Same with women. If you're a player, start thinking long-term.

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>>128274836
I don't claim to be a smart man myself, but I for sure don't believe that /pol/ is below average intelligence (and average intelligence to me is not much, because the average person is interested in allowing their short term goals for status and maybe power to dictate what their actions). If you actually believe /pol/ is below average intelligence, I'd have to suspect that you're new within the last year and a half or trolling out right. Or maybe I'm just used to the average person in Los Angeles, which is more than likely the case. I can't image people where you are, are as crazy as over here. Because when it comes to exploring different ideas and philosophies in my experience most people with "average" intelligence are worried about the social repercussions of believing in ideas that could be perceived as negative by others--there is a mental block that many normal people have that prevents them from thinking for themselves. Take for instance the six million figure presented for the casualties in death camps for the population of you know who. No one questions it, in fact, if you bring it up they jump to the mental midget conclusion that you deny the holocaust! That's what my mother said it sounded like I was doing when I questioned why Hitler would dedicate resources to have a manufacturing plant for making soap out of Jews while fighting a war on all sides of his country.
This example is extreme and is most definitely not the perfect example to use here, but the point I was trying to make is that many people on this site do not have this mental block (more than likely because a lot of people who originally were using this site were sort of deviants to begin with), and are capable of exploring ideas that the average person would not think of putting energy into because they want to live like they're in a television show.

>>128297071
See?
Don't ask a wise man.
Ask a fool.

>>128297071
this doesn't make a difference when you see /pol/ posters that are so steadfast in their beliefs that they refuse to also think from the other side. just because /pol/ is anti-mainstream doesn't mean the people here are any smarter. you're gonna have sheep on both sides of the coin. ive lurked /pol/ on and off for years and i remember back when people used to act like retards for fun, but now i dont even know if the people here are acting or if they're genuine anymore.

>>128292381
I try and bring up how sick it is hamstringing people like this, but nobody here cares. If they're really so smart, they'll do alright anyway. That's what you'll hear. That's enough justification to justify sabotaging kids when you let envy become the norm.

>>128267382
>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc? These people are a higher form of life than most people. It's jarring to go from talking to them to talking to normal people (including 4chan if I'm brutally honest).

They're probably liberal cucks, just like the rest. If you don't use your IQ you aren't smart.

>>128298429
I know exactly what you mean.
It used to be for fun, but that attracted actual tards.
I think the tards were always there, but less vocal.
Still, everyone contributes to the zeitgeist.
I am telling you, I have learned more, listening to 'stupid' people, than I ever have people who just assume they know everything, without question.
All you have to do to be less full of shit than everyone else, is KNOW you're full of shit.

For very advanced math (Graduate level math and stats), just being in the 98th and 99th percentile doesn't help you.

I scored just at the 99th percentile on the SAT, but I struggled like shit when trying to understand the stochastic calculus portions of actuarial exam MFE. I'm also struggling with exam C.

>>128267382
4chan is dumber than normal people.

>>128267382
Autism isn't that impressive. They're usually socially retarded and most don't actually invent anything.

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>>128271494
hahaha this question is literally "is their hope for me?"

pathetic

>>128299480
"Everyone posting on 4chan is stupid. Except me."
These are my favorite people ever.
These are definitely the guys fucking up the curve.

>>128274784
/pol/ is the headquarters for above average intelligence under-achievers who see what the world was become and hate that they are powerless to fix it.

>>128299817
* /pol/ is the headquarters for above average intelligence under-achievers who see what the world has become and hate that they are powerless to fix it.

>>128299817

90% of people think they have above-average intelligence.

>>128299817
This is accurate for myself at least. Painfully so.

>>128300032
Well, I did grow up in the gifted stream while in public school and high school soooo. That being said I don't view myself as some hyper intellect, just well above average.

>>128300032
I wanna drop a bunch of 'gifted' people in the ice age, along with a few blue collar mechanics, carpenters, etc,
See who lasts longest.
There's your high IQ group.
PS: It would not be the theoretical physicists.

>>128300799
I got nines on it.

https://youtu.be/mWauIR9TVtU

>>128298429
>think from the other side
pretty much everyone has been forced to do this against their will before even knowing there was another side. "smart" is a pretty subjective term, but being here does show signs of mental fortitude (ie ability to resist propaganda) and common sense

>>128300799
I get that it sucks being a brainlet but you should probably relax. Being high IQ means I can learn these trades and crafts with relative ease, and its not like I've never used a tool or gone wilderness camping. I'll not just be fine, but probably do as well if not better than those professionals you mentioned.

>>128300799
>13 posts by this ID

who are you trying to impress?

>>128302474
kek. You might be one of the few.
But being a dorkus, who is also a jock,
I know how rare we truly are.
I would like to chase down woolly mammoth with you, and find out.

>>128298429
It's more of an intellectual trait than anything else, doesn't equate to the level of intelligence just the scope they have potential to cover.
You're right though, both sides have people that stick their dick in their ears to hide from the opposing view.
But it's so bad here in LA my leaf friend. Maybe that's why this place looks so reasonable. From what I've seen there's definitely a much higher amount of people here that have contemplated their opposing views and understand it to a good degree (I'd say they do it much better than the other side of the political spectrum does) than compared to people I interact with in my day to day life. Even close friends are as well versed in understanding their ideological counter parts. Which is to me a good indicator of intelligence. People here are unarguably better than the average person in Los Angeles or even above average person when it comes to understanding their own ideologies and the opposing ideology in general.
A good amount of people here think you're a "literal racist" if your a right leaning person, not to mention an out right conservative. I've had friends ask me how many racists I know because I'm more conservative.
Now more to what you said, whether people on /pol/ want to talk about the principles of their opposing ideology in a positive light is a different story, but I don't think it's a sign of a lack of intelligence if they don't want to talk about their opposing views in a positive light. People here are kind of already under the presumption that they have an at least basic understanding of the opposing view. And even if there are people who don't want to hear from the opposing views, at the very least the opposing ideologies are always talked about on here regardless, I see threads and posts where people are explaining the thought process behind the ideologies that oppose their views, policies, and beliefs everyday. And I see it for both left and right ideologies (but mostly right).

>>128275066
120 is the worst iq.
>smart enough to move past basic shit
>too dumb to go the rest of the way and use abstract thought rather than appearances
Most of the mememan lefties in academia are around there.
>>128275751
Good post, and good description of /pol/. I wouldn't say the average /pol/ack is uneducated, he just hasn't done his research. Articulation on this board improved greatly after peterson and others gained a following. And there are worse problems to have. Take /lit/- all articulation, no substance whatever.

>>128302570
I always stick with one subject/board.
Do it most days.
Did I impress you?
Seems I did.
You are paying extreme attention to me.
Mission Passed 100%

>>128277683
Actually, you're pure retarded when it comes to anything outside of rote memorization imo
I never met an ivy league student who could hold his own in a general argument

>>128302757
I know how rare we truly are.
how do you know this?
I am one. I believe society tells us to choose, and most people don't understand their "against-type" sides

>Did I impress you?
>Seems I did.
>You are paying extreme attention to me.
>Mission Passed 100%

I'm clearly not, but your only quality appears to be a willingness to talk about yourself. Please proceed.

>>128303417
That is not how it started.
Go back, read the whole thread.
At first I was discussing rationally, and making good points.
Everyone else, began comparing themselves to the whole, this was not my choice.
I did join in all the male posturing. I won't lie.
I am a man.
GUILTY!!
You caught me!!

>>128303417
https://youtu.be/WCah1N9jrL8

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>>128267382
This is the final red pill anon read it share it
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-physical-scientific-proof-that-Jews-were-gassed-to-death-in-Nazi-concentration-camps/answer/Damian-Graves

>tfw high IQ
>tfw doesn't matter because I waste every opportunity I had
>tfw went to shit university
>tfw failure


don't fall for the IQ meme.

>>128303704
>>128303908
you didn't answer my question faggot

>>128305367
Yes, I did.
It was obviously over your head though.

>>128267382
>These people are a higher form of life than most people.
Whenever I meet really intelligent people they always seem to have a sort of clarity where they immediately see what is and isn't relevant. Also when they explain something complicated it seems simple and obvious. It's like by being more advanced everything else looks simpler to them, and I can always sense how truly not smart I am. It's interesting but also depressing.

>>128305367
I also secretly suspect you have talked about me, more than I have.

>>128306219
What do you mean? What's an example of a complicated thing that has been made to seem simple and obvious?

>>128305971
you didn't even read my post so it's no great leap

I hate myself and my fucking parents. They didn't even really raise me and I never learned the importance of schooling and education until I had already checked out of potential development from good early nurturing. I feel like my parents fucking robbed me by being fucking alcoholics and never around.

>>128304358
>tfw low iq
>tfw shit at life at 26 literally achieved nothing

>>128306722
>>128307025

>>128307161
At least since we're both at rock bottom, it's only up hill from here.

>>128307025
The number of people with a high IQ that I would take with me, if we were being stalked by short-face bears, is a VERY small #, that's my point.
We both know it.
Maybe you are one....I dunno you....if you are I want you on my team.
Don't give a shit what color you are either.
It is all logic, which if you are who you say you are, you already knew.

>>128307370
Yeah. You still have the possibility since you have high IQ, by stastically to climb the ladder higher than I ever could. Might as well check out of life at this point tbqhwyf.

>>128307445
ah yes
the magical powers of idiots against bears are well known

>>128307445
Everything a low IQ person can do, high IQ person can do better, faster. Low IQ people should be just killed so they don't have to suffer.

>>128307526
kek, it's true.
And I was not talking about idiots, but jocks, who are also smart.
PS:If you are being chased by a giant bar, you would want at least one moron with you...trust me.

>>128307713
Incorrect.
You should come hunting with my retarded nephew some time.
He's a dead eye.
I am betting most of you, are not?

>>128267382
/pol/ ranges in the spectrum of above intelligence to retarded.

Alt-right nationalists are our equivalent of SJWs; low intelligence, double think everywhere, but loud. I can think of some examples, especially with regards to asian and black IQ.

>Whites are superior because our IQ > blacks
>"uhhh asians just cheat! nevermine this anon literally saying that asians consistently score near the top of their gifted class and our over represented like jews!"

That and their general misunderstanding of economics.

>>128275858
FACT: Adult IQ will resemble real IQ moreso than childhood IQ. "Childhood IQ" can be increased by stupid shit like education, but it reverts to your genetic IQ post puberty. Things like vidya or stagnant thinking wont affect IQ much, but physical, age, or biological(disease), chemical trauma that affects the actually brain will. Unfortunately, theres no real way of increasing IQ past puberty.Studies show that at best, you can get a TEMPORARY small increase (~6 pts) in IQ, and that after rigourous studying for IQ tests. The minute you stop rigously studying, you lose that increase. So are you actually increasing intelligence, or are you just studying for a test?

>>128277683
Some other anon already mentioned reverse digit span and spatial intelligence tests. With that said though, REAL LIFE is essentially one big "pattern" recognition problem, albeit complex.

>>128279705
more wrong than right. IQ studies has high test-retest validity even across decades. If anything, IQ actually LOWERS as time goes by due to aging slowing your brain down.

>>128284704
>>128302474
>>128300799
I read an article one time where it's better to be highly intelligent but ignorant on a subject, than to be lower intelligent but expertly knowledgeable. The highly intelligent person eventually surpasses the highly knowledgable person once he starts learning.

>>128291631
Just because your retarded theories arent mainstream doesnt mean youre smart

>>128307724
oh yes. instead of smart people, you take people who are jsut as smart but also athletic and strong with you.
man, you really get this IQ thing, really shattering my world view here man
damn...

>>128307931
Doesn't mean I am not either.
Double negative retard.
Classic debate fallacy.
Try again.
This dude typed out a fucking novel, scolding all of us.
Holy crap.

>>128267382
>using the SAT, which is highly correlated with g
The SAT hasn't been g-loaded since 1994. It isn't an accurate way to rank or measure high IQ individuals. It is correlated with IQ, but that is mostly due to the first SD and a half around the mean (the bulk of people). The SAT is a VERY POOR way to identify high IQ individuals. This is just wrong.

>>128307999
You are welcome trip 9
You can't get the truth EVERYWHERE.
Hope it don't scald your feefees.

>>128308220
I guess since they used kids it might be valid. For high school students it isn't. Someone with an IQ of 120 can study their way to a 750+ math score. I have seen it many times.

Giant Bar...classic.

>>128272453
>addicted to authoritative systems

this is exactly the problem with these programs, ivy league schools, and this thread. No one is ever going to commend you for exemplifying true genius. In fact they'll hate you for it.

>>128307724
Cmon, your post is literally the version of "herp derp whites may be smarter! but drop em off in africa and we'll see the sruvvival skillz u lack maeks blacks smarter!!!!!"

I can bet 100% that a group of highly intelligent people, whom are physically healthy (but not athletic) will outcompete athletic brainlets. Know how I know that? The fact that we as humans already progressed into modern society. Where were we a thousand years ago compared to now?

>>128308157
I really like your poem. Doesnt rhyme very well though

>>128308532
Are you typing with a plastic bag over your head? Your posts keep getting stupider.

Nelly videos... short-faced bears... you've derailed the thread. I don't know whether you're LARPing as pompous low IQ person, or whether you've just got the gift. Either way, it's gotten old.

>>128308804
Is that how everyone feels?

>>128290703
i'm terrible at the second one but very good at the other 2. what does this mean

>>128308927
Cause I sure hope so...

>>128267382
I've known this for years and years. Not really hard to figure if you do some reading and have a rational mind.

>>128276725
>then some pro-Soros ones.
Huh? I haven't noticed any.

>>128302841
/lit/ is detestable. Infinite Jest is their #1 book. They're the kind who give avid book readers a bad name. You know they're into books for bragging rights.

Also, I survived my hangover. Discovered why it was so horrendous. I puked my dinner from last night up. For some reason it didn't digest. I had to shower cuz it was so explosive.

>>128309711
Look in the tags on the bottom, there are a few Soros ones. They looked somewhat favorable from first glance.

>>128307931
>Alt-right nationalists are our equivalent of SJWs; low intelligence, double think everywhere, but loud. I can think of some examples, especially with regards to asian and black IQ.
This does suck to be quite honest. Some might be lured into thinking that because of the lack of Asian creativness/inventivness,

>>128277683
MIT grad here. I think the social-freak bit is over-wrought. Yes, there are odd ducks in the mix, but they are no more numerous than you find in the general population of urban dwellers, which most of us are.

Comparing a high IQ MIT student to an average IQ shelf clerk in a rural town is not an apples to apples comparison. Even though both might be white protestant Anglos, they probably come from fairly divergent sub-populations and from equivalently divergent sub-cultures within "WASP."

So with respect to IQ, I think once you distill out the sub-cultural clade behavior profiles you are left with mostly high-functioning individuals on the high end and mostly low-functioning on the low end.

That doesn't mean the average IQ white person is inherently lazy, certainly not compared to the average negro or mestizo, but they will not tend to have the productive profile of someone with the same ethnic background and comparatively higher IQ.

The X-factor for achievement, I believe, is more regional and generational. As once you control for both ethnicity and IQ, the chances you will graduate from "high potential," to "high achiever," is heavily predicates on circumstance, both whom you know as a function of whom your family or friend connections are and what options are available to that network as a function of how the overall economy is doing, if your chosen skillset was in demand at the time, and so forth.

tl;dr: IQ, all things considered, is a generally better predictor of good all-around people and the social retardation aspect is a meme that is urban related more than individual. Over and beyond controlling for IQ, people should consider the determinism of the overall economy to be a strong effect.

You need to be a bit sociopathic and have high IQ to succeed in life. IQ alone doesn't cut it.

>>128267382
>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc? These people are a higher form of life than most people.

Yes, they are fucking stupid. I couldn't stand being in their fucking classes.

>>128294543

We're all around 30 so it's too soon to assess our achievements. There are three people from my class of 115 who work at Google; probably many others in tech. A number of the chads and partiers now work in finance. There are some doctors. One milquetoast, forgettable guy turned out the become the prosecutor for a major city. A stoner from our class founded and owns a restaurant chain in Seattle. Another stoner girl makes a living day trading from home (with $70k in seed money from her parents). One Lakesider I know is a published novelist (Tommy Wallach). Another founded the YouTube channel Rocket Jump (Freddie Wong).

No real "difference" in high school performance or life outcomes between the Jews and Asian kids, as far as I can tell.

>>128310170
IQ is literally the second best predictor of success (with the first being the financial success of your parents).

So short of any other malady, IQ is as close to "cutting it" as you'll get.

>>128309057
It means you have higher spatial intelligence than you have working memory.

Also, the third task tests two components, mental recognition of the item on screen, and the physical component of pressing the button. Only the first component of this test actually tests for IQ. One interesting note is that black do relatively better on this task because they can simply press the button faster (but the recognize the stimuli slower), whereas asians are the opposite, they recognize the stimuli faster (but press the button slower).

So if you just compared the time between stimuli and button pressing, it looks like they're closer in intelligence, but if you separate the two results based on actually recognizing the stimuli (the part that actually tests for intelligence), then the gap persists.

>>128274784
hello fellow leaf
early-30's, 140 IQ, got a Physics PhD but no real ambition

>>128274836
Larping as a low IQ retard is relaxing.

Took an IQ test in 3rd grade, was in top 1% (I think it meant 140+). Got really bores in school so my mom home schooled me. Took multi variable calc and college physicsin 9th grade, which were too easy. I hid the fact that i was in ninth grade as i looked like i could be 17 (thanks middle eastern genes) and didn't want to be ostracized.

I have no mental health conditions. I was awkward, why, and I lacked confidence in high school, but I grew out of it during college. I'm now a senior software engineering manager and have a team of engineers and I'm only 30 years old.

I would say, the hardest part about being smart is getting frustrated when people don't understand what I consider basic concepts. I actively try to make sure I explain things in a way that a 5th grader can understand, even to seemingly smart engineers. The other part is learning how to communicate normally. It's very very easy to just communicate how you think, but I have to constantly remind myself to try to mimic other successful communicators. I've actually started incorporating some of the techniques I've observed from Trump to great effect.

Although I am smart, I do not consider myself smart. It stems from the fact that I know there is so much that I don't know and will never know. Also, while I can easily understand new concepts quickly and even derive them, I am not efficient at putting these concepts to great use and thus see a limit on my ability.

Should we revere intelligence? Perhaps, but everyone has the ability to contribute to society and humanity without needing extreme intelligence. I admire a person working hard to support his family significantly more than a genius who only achieves mediocrity.

>>128276389
Academics like him hang around with other academics all day long. They are all nervous about looking simple and hence they all lie to each other about how amazing their work is.

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>>128271494

Different guy here, but I used to work at the Duke TIP talent identification program. Many spooky smart kids and autists, but also fuckups. Most noteworthy being this one dude I knew started off school on a fully funded free ride from NASA (Jove program) and programming code for the Mars rover and shit. Got full of himself, fell into the wrong crowd...especially with drugs. Train wreck.png.Within 2 years, he totally lost his scholarship, then kicked/failed out of school. Last I saw of him, he was working at a gas station and giving blowjobs to his drug dealer for some weed. Don't do drugs, guys...or at least know how to handle your shit. Not even joking.

>>128277840
>college debt scam
A lot of the smart ones never even get debt, since they can garner numerous scholarships and their parents were probably also smart (+wealthy).
My bank account increased while in undergrad.

>>128312368
Yeah that's absolutely true. If you're highly recruited for academics you're making good money to be in college. Full ride with room and board on top of stipend is not uncommon.

>>128277683
>we
>we
>we
...

that's not how it works

>>128312323
I qualified for the Duke TIP program. We didn't have the money to go to one of the summer programs, but they sent me a free book on relativity and cosmology to reward me for having the highest SAT score in my middle school. It literally changed my life and awakened me to the world of physics and math out there. Now I'm building AIs. Thanks TIP!

>>128312010

I've also gotten more traction in life after studying how to communicate. Of all things, pick-up taught a lot of good principles re: how to cultivate a centered, confident "state" and how to connect with people emotionally and lead them. The Scott Adams-Nassim Taleb axis of thought is helpful re: how to recognize what is salient and what is noise. The God Emperor has a lot to teach, yes.

I would encourage smart people who feel lost/impotent to spend a year working on their ability to meet and connect with people, above all other skills.

My IQ is so high you people wouldn't believe me if I told you. I also have severe, debilitating schizophrenia.

IQ doesn't mean shit if you can't apply it. All the knowledge in the world is worthless if you can't function.

>>128307931
>Alt-right nationalists are our equivalent of SJWs
This reminds me of something, in one of the earlier Peterson interviews with his grad student, he was saying that far-left and far-right extremists are basically the same personality except in one dimension.

Here I found it, around 13:00 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_fBYROA7Hk

Both are high in orderliness (disgust sensitivity). Leftists are just higher in agreeableness and compassion.

>>128308778
>herp derp whites may be smarter! but drop em off in africa and we'll see the sruvvival skillz u lack maeks blacks smarter!!!!!
South Africa.

>>128313806
So you're pointing out how the white suburbs are wealthy and almost indistinguishable from Canada/USA and the majority black areas are empty, dirty non-productive hellholes. You're proving his point, no?

>>128314309
Yes, I was making that positive point.
Also note that when South Africa was colonised, it was empty.
Because blacks are apparently so poorly adapted to their homeland that they have to completely kill each other off all the time.

Does everyone still hate me?
Can I be one of the cool kids now?
I promise I won't out smartass anyone.
You guys really hurt my fees.

>>128312829
OK. How should I go about mastering this art?

>>128267382
Fun fact : 75% of german scientists don't have chidren. They might be clever but how the fuck are these genes going to be passed on. Is Germany going to evetually be dumbed down to african levels because of high IQ social retardation?

What did we decide?
High IQ or no, are us men, gonna be arrogant posturing assholes or WHAT?!
I have to admit, it comes pretty natural for me; being a prick.
...But in the end, I just wanna follow the crowd.

>>128267382
gifted kids usually try to fit in with the normies by acting dumb unless they have a very strong support structure at home and school

>>128315408
Yes, and their institutions will fail, and they will blame the Jews again. Just a matter of time.

(((ssarcasm sign)))

>>128315408
That's true for any European genius usually. Somehow they keep being created. It is really sad thinking about the genes they could have kept around though. A true shame.

>>128315602
It is much easier for a gifted kid to act dumb than it is for a dumb kid to act gifted. I know a few people who have wasted their lives away using that strategy.

>>128316778
>be smart kid
>act retarded because people think its funny
>actually become retarded

can I blame the Jews for this?

>>128267382

>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc? These people are a higher form of life than most people. It's jarring to go from talking to them to talking to normal people (including 4chan if I'm brutally honest).

Grow the fuck up you fucking nigger, just because you listened to some Stefan Molyneux video, read a bunch of articles about psychometrics and fart some ridiculous clap trap into your audience's face as if you were the holiest scholar of the subject you don't suddenly join the club of 190 IQ superhuman geniuses you God damned retard.

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>tfw brainlet

>>128293674
nice comma splice. go away