Why can't /pol/ defeat him? Is his autism too strong?

Because he cuts off his stream when someone is winning the debate and spends the next hour mocking them when they cant defend themselves like the Auschwitz survivor looking faggot he is.

>>128261760
Who this?

>>128261760
can some high-test burger shoot this sickly looking faggot?

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>>128261760
>got assblasted by Sargon twice
>ragequit after Nakidape left him with no arguments
>got completely raped by Mister Metokur (but muh illegal immigrants, how are they criminals?!)
>"what's so wrong about communism?"
>manlet
>literally got cucked, raising his wife's asian son
>dick pick leaked
>made himself look like a sperg in the starcraft community
>"what's wrong with incest?"
>"what's wrong about whites becoming minorities in their own countries?"
>"animators on youtube have it easy, they are lazy and rich" (gets debunked and exposed by other animators on twitter)
....
>"Can't pol defeat him?"

The guy is the definition of a living joke. He should spend his money on height increasing surgeries than hiring his reddit fans to shill his "brand" on /pol/.

>>128266203
why did so many people debate this lad? Say what you want but it is obvious the Alt-right and Kekistanians are afraid of him.

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>like the Auschwitz survivor looking faggot he is
out of fucking nowhere

>>128266426
>"afraid of him"
>yet they debate him

Wew lad, swedish logic never fails to entertain me.

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>>128261950
>like the Auschwitz survivor looking faggot he is.
FPBP

>>128261760
Literally who?

>>128266203
>height increasing surgeries

he would become manlet2

>>128261760

Posting this retard and that drug addict whore Laci Green should be grounds for an automatic non-appealable three day ban.

Sage this shit.

>>128261760
this board is dumber than old /b/
it never crosses your mind that you might be individually dumber and less informed than a dropout that plays video games for a living, and that you might be worse at public speaking than someone that performs in front of a camera all of the time
so instead of marginalizing this midget, by not debating him on his stream, you always want to get into arguments with him over shit you aren't qualified to argue about, and then you promote his material for him for free, which is why he does this in the first place

>>128266795
Really stretching the definition of the word "debate" there, m80.

>>128266203
>"What's wrong with Incest?"
Did any one ask him about if he would marry his cousin or sister? Seriously, any moron who pushes it should lead by example if they are so ardent about it.

>>128267073
Literally no one who's "debated" him on incest has been able to provide an argument against it except for "muh retarded babies"

>>128261950
He's not even skinny, it's just that his muscles have atrophied to such a level that he has nothing underneath his fat, which makes his body look small even though he's technically overweight.

wannabe e-celebs leave, you are unwanted egoshits

>>128267160
>muh retarded babies
reason enough or do you want retarded babies?

>>128267343
No, you can have incestuous sex without having children, so it's not a valid argument.
Overwhelming today, people have sex with the explicit goal of not having children.

>>128261760
>Martin Shkreli
>Mister Metokur (Jim)
>Sargon
>Naked Ape
Many more have actually shit on this faggot. But all he does is sperg out and attacks the person not the argument. Then proceeds to claim victory.

>DAWG
>DAWG
>NAH DAWG

>>128267160
It's more than just "Retardation" it is overall health and fitness deterioration. If anyone knows anything of how traits are passed on, you would know that you have a 25% chance of having a pure recessive allele offspring (Sick) while half are carriers (Carries the trait but does not express it) and the remaining 25% are healthy. Traits being passed on goes in a 1:2:1 ratio. The chances spike significantly due to access to negative alleles, it is more than just what those who are "Pro-Incest" say it being a low percentage. The access to people who can pass on negative traits can determine if the offspring has a higher chance of getting any malformation.

If you married a random person who just so happens to have a negative allele that you have, it is unfortunate, but you are playing dice with your own offspring's health by procreating with a family member as the chances for the negative trait are increased significantly.

>>128267654
>Sargon
He had no argument so it's hard to understand why people thought he "won"
>Nakedape
This guy didn't even understand that raising wages and an employer paying their employees more was exactly the same thing.

Haven't watched the metokur discussion

>>128267778
>It's more than just "Retardation" it is overall health and fitness deterioration.
Didn't read past that since it's an entirely meaningless argument.
Sex today isn't just for procreation unless you're a religious fanatic.

It's pretty obvious that he only does this to drum up controversy to garner views. He's not an honest debater.

>>128261950
It's like some faggot blocks you then proceeded to shit talk you from behind.

>>128266954
This.

Always sage and report these threads

>>128267920
alright kangaroo, go have sex with your mother.
Then tell us the experience and if you're ever gonna have a normal mom and son relation.

>>128265340
/thread

pro tip, everytime you post this fag here you are equally as gay, stop giving this 37 yr old manlet attention

Imagine how egocentric you have to be to play electronic toys for a living, and one day think "Maybe people will care about my political opinions. I should start doing regular debates".

he's simply to intelligent for /pol/

>>128261760
The closest he ever got to /pol/ debating him was with JonTron.

He's a weird blend though, and generally right form contemporary point of view.

>>128268211
Still waiting for an actual argument

>>128268295
He "debated" some chick who said she was from /pol/ and it was a shitshow

>>128268211
do you want to come on skype with him for a chat my dude? :^)

No one ever even posts his dick pic. Lame

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>>128266203
>assblasted by sargon
Literally the exact opposite of what happened
>"what's so wrong about communism?"
>"what's wrong with incest?"
Both of these were pure hypotheticals he said in a joking manner which anyone who isn't beyond autistic would have picked up on.
>"animators on youtube have it easy, they are lazy and rich" (gets debunked and exposed by other animators on twitter)
He had an entire debate about this shit too, animators are too dense to use their fanbase for anything even half decent. Look at Egoraptor creating Gamegrumps, that's the shit he wants to happen, and it's not even complicated since most animators have really dedicated fanbases.

>>128261760
literally who

>>128268335
>debating women
>woman debating
And still waiting for your answer.

Reminder that jews that promoted gays also promote incest and pedophilia to degenerate western countries. You're helping the jew by asking "what's wrong with incest"

It's genetically and morally a wrong thing. Fuck one of your family members, then tell us if things are the same.

Btw, should rewatch the Sargon and Nakid debates, Destiny was overwhelmed and emotional.

>>128268721
Literally this^

>>128268731
Why is it morally wrong?
Do you really not have any solid arguments against incest???

>Sargon debate
Literally retarded
>NakedApe
Even worse
This kid didn't understand that cheaper wages and lower cost of labour were exactly the same thing

>>128268649
why am i not surprised at Sweden defending these things?
Go watch the 2nd debate with Sargon.
>joking matter
This is the same guy that failed to understand that ILLEGAL immigrants automatically commit a crime when they trespass the border.
How about when he suggested US should invade Mexico to solve the Cartel problem, something that Mexico itself should solve?

>>128266203
>He should spend his money on height increasing surgeries
i think that would be the funniest thing i've ever seen... a 12 year old's torso with a watermelon sized head being propped up by disproportionate stilt legs... holy shit that would be awesome

>>128268335
I'd like to see him take on someone like Woes desu.

I actually quite like Destiny and what he does. Deep down, all those advanced debaters of conservative/classical liberal position know that he completely demolishes them.

It serves us well. His opponents know that something is deeply wrong with what he is saying, but they can't quite detect it. They know that within their framework, he is more right than they are. If I were Sargon, I'd do some serious soul-searching after that debate, even though people claim Sargon "won". Nothing could be further from the truth.

>>128267920
And the excessive looseness of society leads to broken homes and weakened social cohesion atop resources being drained to subsidize the behavior of the irresponsible.

>>128268918
>How about when he suggested US should invade Mexico to solve the Cartel problem, something that Mexico itself should solve?
Link me the quote of him saying this.
I know you won't, since it doesn't exist.

Your next line will be "why don't you go find it yourself"

>>128269103
He did say it in mister metokur debate, around 3/4 in.

>>128269097
Sargon knows he's wrong and he knows he's fucking retarded, but he's built a fanbase of far-right retards and he panders to them to maintain his position.

>>128269098
Your point being?

>>128269205
Link it.

>>128268897
>why is it morally wrong to fuck your wife/daughter/sister?
Fuck one of your family member, and you'll get that answer.
At this point you might as well ask me "what's wrong with pedophilia" tier questions. It's like i'm talking with a liberal that believes in american white privilege, yet US had a nigger president for 8 years.

Nigger Christ, you're either shitposting or you accidentally left your /leftypol/ board.

>>128269260
>Fuck one of your family member, and you'll get that answer.
That's not an argument.

Do you really not have a SINGLE argument against incest??

>>128269240
Use your brain for a second, who's money is being spent? Where do the funds for the programs come from?

In other words: Who is paying for it? How will the government get the money to do it?

>>128269371
How is taxation linked to incest, exactly?
Or have you given up on it completely and moved onto "MUH TAXATION IS THEEEEEEEFT"??

>>128261760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46qh_9p7j4Y

>>128268521
yes let's discuss population genetics and inbreeding depression with a fanboy that will call it irrelevant, because it's the current year
nevermind that this is why kin aversion has evolved, to the extent that it can even by forced in unrelated animals by raising them together (with females showing much higher degree of aversion)
my recommendation is to simply sterilize fedoras to prevent producing anymore amish or ashkenazim

>>128269240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogzq__m8oE

It's around 1 hour in. Check in the comments, many reference it (search "mexico").

>>128269360
He isn't arguing for anything. He is just asking why you don't fuck your mom, so, why don't you?

>>128267920
Destiny argues entirely from appeal to emotion. There was a reason why Martin told Destiny that he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.

>Naked Ape
Ape picked up on the exact same study that Destiny was quoting from, and corrected him on what the content was about. Destiny doesn't know jack shit about economics.

Wages=/= Labour cost
Labour plays a major role in the functioning of an economy. From the point of view of businesses, it represents a cost (labour costs) that includes not only the wages and salaries paid to employees but also non-wage costs, mainly social contributions payable by the employer.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Wages_and_labour_costs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogzq__m8oE
Metokur wasn't prepared for debate because he wasn't told that a debate was going to occur. He was only told that Destiny wanted to talk to him. Interesting points to note are about Trumps isolationist stance on foreign policy.
If you watch the Metokur debate Destiny does actually heavily insinuate that.
It's about 56mins+ in.

>>128269694
because his mom won't let him, as she already has too many retard babies

>>128269561
1:16:25 (paraphrasing)_=
Destiny: "The Cartel is worse than Isis, no problem bombing the fuck out of them"
Metokur: "So you are cool with taking military action in Mexico?"
Destiny: "Sure, in coordination with anti-cartel Mexican leaders"

The last line, i.e. context, is what is left out of all the alt-right discussions since they're too retarded to understand what context is or its importance. All they care about it pushing their narrative.

>>128269694
I don't find her sexually attractive at all.

>>128269464
Was actually talking about the looseness of society and how it leads to broken homes.

You shifted the argument to that when you said about sex being more than for procreation.

Now it does link to incest because the healthcare programs (Obamacare and Universal) everyone touts so much and is all for, these days will be rife with cases of people with autosomal recessive disorders resulting from inbreeding, this leads to higher premiums and strains the system, making it harder for everyone who pays into it.

Don't come crying to people when you have to pay MORE for healthcare that is government based because you are for people allowing negative malformations at a higher ratio be more prevalent in society.

>>128269729
What percentage, in America, is an employers social contributions in labour cost?
Gimme a number.

>>128269969
You were, I wasn't.
But in regards to your argument, once again, I'll put in caps so you might read it and understand, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE CHILDREN IF YOU HAVE SEX. CONTRACEPTION EXISTS

PLEASE understand this. Make an effort.

>>128269961
>anti-cartel Mexican leaders
If such a thing existed, or was relevant Mexico wouldn't have issues with cartels at all. The issue with Mexico and cartels is that the government itself is corrupt and involved. You'd be raising insurgence in the other case, it'd be a putsch (which both of them since they are not retarded understand). In effect, it is no different than "bombing Mexico".

But it's beside the point, since I agree with bombing Mexico.

>>128270486
>In effect, it is no different than "bombing Mexico".
No, it isn't.
Destiny said he would bomb Mexico on the condition that there were anti-cartel leaders in Mexico that the US would work WITH.

>>128270237
this isn't about children. The act of sex, even if it's just for enjoyiment, it's still morally wrong to do it with a family member.

This is autism tier discussion. Don't you have a sister or cousin to try if you really want your answer?
also that nice excuse that "your mom is ugly" to avoid doing the actual incest, really nice evasion pal.
>tries to justify incest "what's wrong with incest, pol? i'm not talking about making kids, just enjoyment sex"
>doesn't do incest himself to get his answer
weeeew laddie.

>>128270650
>it's still morally wrong to do it with a family member.
but WHY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

W
H
Y

WHY is it morally wrong

tell me WHY

>>128270645
Are those "anti-cartel leaders" like "moderate rebels" in Syria?

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2016/07/worker-benefits-and-their-costs-vary-widely-across-us-industries

The key findings include:

>Employers provide workers with a wide array of benefits beyond pay. Workers’ access varies by the type of benefit, but the median job has benefits that cost the employer 38 cents for each dollar spent on wages.
-Employers spend the most on wages, nonhealth forms of insurance, and legally required benefits. The typical employer spends far more on wages than on benefits. At the median, employers spend the most on short- and long-term disability and life insurance and on state- and federally mandated benefits, such as Social Security.
>Employer spending varies dramatically within categories. Benefit costs are influenced by many factors, including the quality of the benefit provided, the size and type of employer, and the type of job each worker holds.
-Benefit offerings and spending vary substantially by industry. Employers in mining and extraction and those in utilities spend significantly more on benefits than those in other sectors. In contrast, employers in low-paying sectors such as retail provide few benefits and spend relatively little on them. • Establishment size and spending on benefits do not consistently correlate.
>Jobs with higher pay also tend to have more expensive benefits. Each additional dollar of average hourly pay is associated with another 67 cents per hour in employer spending on benefits.
-Benefits spending creates substantial variation in total compensation among workers earning the same pay. A quarter of those making about $15 per hour receive less than $4.02 in benefits, but another quarter get more than twice that amount.

>>128261760
send him back to africa

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>>128261760
/thread

>>128270739
Tell me one thing that is "morally wrong" in your view that I can agree with, and I will tell you why incest is morally wrong.

>>128270763
I imaging it'd be a presidential candidate who runs on a platform of destroying the cartel and who asks for the US to assist in its removal.

>>128270237
forgot to reply
>>128270794

>>128270908
>I imagine
There's your problem.

>>128270739
lmao, fuck one of your family members, dummie. Then you'll get an answer.
Fuck sake, what's stopping you from trying it, if you think it's normal?
just cover your mom's face, do the deed, then tell me if you think it's not morally wrong?

This has to be Australian shitposting.

Acts as if what people say is non-factual or inconsistent then does it himself. Guy is the hugest hypocrite I've ever seen. He argues for the sake of arguing.

>>128270794
Did you not read what you linked??
>The typical employer spends far more on wages than on benefits

>>128270889
>I don't actually know why incest is morally wrong, please give me a reason
Figure it out yourself.

>>128270991
What else do you want me to say? I'm not psychic.

>>128271068
We're done. You have no argument as to why incest is wrong.

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>>128271164
>>128270908
>>128270645
>tfw you wanted to just find Xawin map for Mass Effect 1 but this autistic faggot keeps being autistic.

>>128271068
It most likely is, moot always hated Aussies, and now we know why, then can't post worth a damn and can't contribute shit to the discussion.

>>128271164
Your original argument was that wages and labour costs were the same thing.

I've already shown you why its not.


>>128271269
>>128271277
Don't worry guys, I'll throw this degenerate into the gas chamber.

>>128271269
Wanna join the discussion?

So far no one in this thread has been able to give me a solid argument against incest.
Do you have one?

>>128271164
>Figure it out yourself.
How about you start reading. I asked you to give me any OTHER thing that you consider to be morally wrong, not why incest is wrong.

>>128271164
>What else do you want me to say? I'm not psychic.
Say "yes, you are right". Mexican government does not want cartels gone, so his point about how "removing cartels is better than building wall to protect US and we will do it by supporting opposition that doesn't exist and not violating Mexico itself" is not only moot but logically inconsistent.

>>128271164
Doesn't incest fuck up your gene pool or something?

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>>128271164
>"why is incest wrong?"
>refuses to fuck his mother to find out why

Stay the same, kangaroo.

>>128267163
Absolutely disgusting

>>128261760

He only wins online debates cause he always tips it in his favor and has no moderator.

In an actual debate on a stage in front of a live crowd, he would be destroyed like the puss he is.

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>>128271395
Too busy having fun Destiny.

>>128271385
>It's actually not an "apple", it's a "GRANNY SMITH apple", something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
wow dude, you're totally right!

>>128271409
>I asked you to give me any OTHER thing that you consider to be morally wrong
rape, murder, theft
Take your pick.
>Say "yes, you are right"
You aren't.
>Mexican government does not want cartels gone
Do you think that position will remain until the end of time?

>>128271486
Do you only have sex for the purpose of procreation?

>>128270237
contraception exists and yet there are still well over a half million abortions every year in the u.s., a quarter of a million teen births, more than a third of births are unplanned, and 13% of children are born in poverty. sexual intercourse is not decoupled from reproduction, simply because there are people that behave as if it has been. the moral reasoning that underpins people's rejection of incest stems from an evolved aversion to kin relationships, which have to otherwise be normalized through social pressure (male family member abuse, arranged marriages, etc)

>>128271621
can you define theft for us

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>>128271621
Do you only murder for the purpose of getting caught?

>>128269103
you're a god damn idiot. He totally talked about the US invading and "fixing" mexico forcibly. they talked for nearly 2 hours. Know how I know you didn't watch it? I am currently in the processes of locating the part for you since you're a completely lazy POS

>>128271621
>rape, murder, theft
Why is murder wrong? We already know that Destiny supports murdering cartel members/leaders indiscriminately.

Why is theft wrong? We already know that he supports taxation, plundering other countries for resources etc.

>Do you think that position will remain until the end of time?
Nothing will remain until the end of time, so your point can be made to justify abstinence on any action.

>>128271956
That's an argument against sex in general, not an argument against incestual sex.
I suppose one is an extension of the other, but that's kind of a weak argument.

Taking someone else's property without their consent.

>>128271977
what

>>128271981
Someone already tried that and he was only for military intervention with Mexican cooperation.
But you keep looking

>>128272003
>Why is murder wrong?
Taking someones life against their will.
>Why is murder wrong?
Taking someones property against their will.

>Nothing will remain until the end of time
I was being hyperbolic.
Do you think no person in Mexico will ever attempt to overthrow the current system of political corruption and cartel influence?

>nobody's posted the other destiny autism seizure webm

>>128261760

Exactly how long has /po/ been trying to bring this guy down?

>>128272373
lol /po/ doesn't care about Destiny, just some board about papercraft

>>128272332
no, nothing about what i have stated is "weak."
you believe that sexual intercourse has been decoupled from procreation, and therefore there are no permissible limits on fornication besides consent. your assumption is incorrect, because fornication has not in fact been decoupled from procreation by the existence of contraceptives, as can be seen by all of the undesirable pregnancies.
you essentially have no argument

define property for us

Post rare Bonnells

>>128272332
>Taking someones life against their will.
>Taking someones property against their will.

I didn't ask you to define it, I asked you to say why it is morally wrong.

If you are implying that it IS morally wrong BECAUSE it is violation of someone's "will" then:
If I don't pay my taxes, can cops come to take me to jail, and kill me on my property if I resist?

If yes, then I expect you to correct your definitions, because it is in contradiction with my consistent example.

>Do you think no person in Mexico will ever attempt to overthrow the current system of political corruption and cartel influence?
Now you can justify ignoring problems for the length of Mexico's existence, so long as within that timeframe one such relevant person appears in any capacity. It does not address the drug/trafficking issue in here and now, when it is relevant.

>>128266426
Every debate he's ever done is a shitshow.

It turns out that the altright is made up off children and literal shills.

>>128267418
no, you can have incestuous sex and MAYBE not have children. it's never going to be 100% full proof so i'm not seeing how it's not a valid argument. of course people have sex not to have children, but does that mean that they never accidentally get pregnant?
>>128267920
is this destiny on a proxy? who actually takes this faggot seriously

>>128268649
>assblasted by sargon
Did we watch the same videos?

>>128272788
>you believe that sexual intercourse has been decoupled from procreation
It has.
People refusing to use contraception is a separate issue.

an object someone has ownership of

>>128272810
>I didn't ask you to define it, I asked you to say why it is morally wrong
Because they don't want you to take it, and I wouldn't want someone to steal from me or murder me, therefore I don't think it's right to steal from or murder any other.

>If I don't pay my taxes, can cops come to take me to jail, and kill me on my property if I resist?
A condition of living in every (?) country in the world is paying taxes. If you don't like taxes I suggest you find somewhere else to live.

>>128272981
Do you think you can get someone pregnant if you never cum inside them?

>>128268269
People do care- you're talking about it right now, retard.

>>128273125
it hasn't, which is why there are undesirable pregnancies
your assumption is false

define ownership for us

>>128261760
Oh my God *surprised laugh* using autism as an insult huh well people who use language like that are also Hitler supporters and babies kills now tell us why you love killing and raping babies so much I mean oh my God dude *surprised laugh* go back to Hitler's Germany where you belong

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>>128261760
hes a retard, he doesn't even understand what ideological values are, he has this idea that he has everything figured out and that anything anyone else says is objectively wrong. He also has a completely fucked up view on economics where it's like he's a proponent of socialism to some extent but then also talks about how he wants to exploit his audience/viewer base as much as possible to get rich. He's often a walking contradiction.

I don't think he can effective at the debating aspect of his stream when his sole purpose is to create entertaining or controversial content so he can get more viewers and make more money. To achieve that he often goes for low hanging fruit, he invites stupid people to debate him, and even when someone's obviously trolling or exaggerating he lets it continue because it's good for views. He can't be taken seriously.

I respect that he has achieved financial independence and knows how to hustle which is even more impressive when you consider how autistic he is, but beyond that I respect nothing else about him. He's slightly above average intelligence at best, his debating skills are basic and he tends to just repeat the same arguments every time he debates with little innovation or adjustment, and he's pretentious, annoying, and unlikable. He's also ugly as hell and an alleged pedophile.

>>128273219
Do you think the majority of sexual intercourse results in pregnancy?

Claiming that you own something???
Where are you going with this?

>>128273125
>just pull out bruh
genius my man. foolproof strategy. i guess incest is fine seeing as humans aren't flawed at all.

>>128273125
Oh boy, it's the basic bitch golden rule faggoty.

>A condition of living in every (?) country in the world is paying taxes. If you don't like taxes I suggest you find somewhere else to live.
That's argumentum ad antiquitatem. And it's still against your definition. And your implication that it's like that everywhere is false.

You are completely wrong. I am still waiting for a consistent definition.

>>128266203
How the fuck does a white guy get cucked by an Asian? He should use his body as kindling to warm some hobo's oatmeal or something, the shame of that will never go away

>>128270650
>it's still morally wrong to do it with a family member
>literally no justification
This is why Destiny has a job streaming.

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>>128261760
What the fuck are you talking about? I just clicked one of his debates and and witnessed a random kid with a fucking speech disorder easily destroy this cuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0FGpOUzFE

>>128273437
>foolproof strategy
I get the feeling you're being sarcastic... but... it is foolproof.
You do understand how a woman gets pregnant, right?

>>128273510
>I am still waiting for a consistent definition.
Of what?

Are you under the impression that you gain nothing in return for paying your taxes?

>>128268335
She was also shit faced drunk at the time.

>>128273696
>Of what?
Of why murder and theft are wrong.

>Are you under the impression that you gain nothing in return for paying your taxes?
That's a red herring.

>>128268649
oh sweden, truly when you are replaced by browns the country will be less of a shithole then you faggots have made it.

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>>128270889
>>128271068
>these are the people who criticize Destiny's ability to debate
Pathetic

>>128261950
FPBP

>>128273432
why would i claim that the majority of sexual intercourse results in pregnancies
i have simply demonstrated that sexual intercourse has not been decoupled from procreation, because it is central to you ignoring the biological reality that underpins the moral reasoning that the majority of humans have about fucking people you are closely related to

in what sense are you using the word 'claim?'

what i am doing is trying to get an understanding of what you think the rules are regarding what property and theft are in the first place
it puts aside questions like eminent domain; taxation; water, mineral, road access, and airspace rights
there is an enormous amount of social baggage involved in the concepts of property and theft

>>128273896
>I can't read
If you read the thread, I'm not arguing against Destiny, but against the eternal abbo.

Destiny is a great debater, although highly superficial and arguing from odd position.

>>128273793
>Of why murder and theft are wrong.
Because you're taking from someone against their will.

>>128273901
5%?
10%?

Just seems to me that in the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of cases, sexual intercourse doesn't result in pregnancy.
Even if it did, there are methods and means to end said pregnancy.
So using the "retarded babies" argument against incest doesn't really hold.

>>128273901
Destiny, you aren't doing it right. You have to lay on at least ten more outrageous claims so your opponent is unbalanced.

>>128273696
you're saying it's fullproof in a hypothetical world where humans are perfect beings incapable of making mistakes. but even then, it actually isn't. you can get a woman pregnant with precum, so even in your hypothetical world it's still not 100% safe. please give me a real point for how accidentally getting your sibling pregnant isn't an argument against incest.
>virgin pretending to know how pregnancy works

>>128274129
>Because you're taking from someone against their will.

You did not include in your definition what [my argument about murder due to taxes] does not apply.

>>128274309
>what
why*

>>128268649
I watched one of the Sargon debates and what's his face got destroyed. I don't know what you were watching.

>>128274129
undesirable pregnancies are widespread, no matter what the rate of conception is, therefore your entire position is unfounded
you lose my man

>>128274363
Sargon is more likable and persuasive guy, he indeed got Destiny frustrated to hell but none of his arguments were convincing.

>>128274237
>you can get a woman pregnant with precum
no
http://americanpregnancy.org/getting-pregnant/can-you-get-pregnant-with-precum/

>>128274309
By living in a country in which they tax their citizens, you consent to being taxed.
What part of this can't you comprehend?

>>128274442
>in rare cases, scenario A can happen, therefore scenario A always happens
wew lads
Do you think vaccines cause autism too? There was that one study that one time....

1. The purpose of sex is reproduction.
2. Incest results in disability.
3. It is immoral to disable others.
4. Incest is immoral.

>>128274553
>i have no argument so let's change subjects

>>128274553
>from the site you linked that you didn't read
"There are rare cases where living sperm can be presented in the precum and conception subsequently possible."
L M A O

>>128274553
>By living in a country in which they tax their citizens, you consent to being taxed.
So when my country turns into a country into a country that takes it's citizens' kidneys I consent to it by living in that country?

>>128274586
>1. The purpose of sex is reproduction.
Sorry, grandpa, but the purpose of sex is not reproduction in current year

>>128274608
Did you not understand the analogy? I can explain it step by step if you need me to.

>>128274309
Your arguments are falling apart my friend.

You have derailed your initial argument of why incest is wrong by going off on a tangent by arguing about theft and taxation and other shit.

The only reason why incest is wrong is because those offspring are much more likely to become retarded. Why can't you say so?

>>128274671
Wanna go ahead and tell me what "rare" means?

>>128274697
If you continue to live there, yes.

>>128274715
no, i need you to make an argument that isn't built on a false assumption (that sexual intercourse is decoupled from procreation)

>>128274586
Incest is harmless

>>128274715
Why does sex exist?

>>128274776
>The only reason why incest is wrong is because those offspring are much more likely to become retarded
Contraception exists.
Even in Iceland... I think.

>>128274806
How many times have you had sex?
How many children you have?
If these numbers aren't equal, we're going to have a problem.

>>128274830
Depends on who you ask.
If you're asking me, then it's for pleasure.

>>128274989
Would sex exist if it only resulted in pleasure and did not result in reproduction?

>>128274799
>If you continue to live there, yes.

Alright. So if anything, ranging from murder to torture happens within a jurisdiction of the state, you consent by being in that area. Do you agree?

>>128274776
>Your arguments are falling apart my friend.
I'm still waiting for him to produce reason for one thing that is morally wrong. It is relevant.

>The only reason why incest is wrong is because those offspring are much more likely to become retarded. Why can't you say so?
Because by that definition fucking your mother while infertile is not morally wrong.

>>128274989
Sorry but I evolved with natural reaction of disgust when I imagine a family fucking each other.

Pity about your degeneracy though.

Destiny fans that post on /pol/ to circlejerk destiny are the worst type of people in the world.

>>128274586
>implying something being natural has any bearing on its morality
>implying it doesnt take several generations of incest to get retarded kids
>implying dwarfs and such dont have kids they know for a fact will be disabled all the time
>implying you wouldnt want to fuck your sister if she was as hot as mine

>>128274989
it's not relevant what the rate of conception per incident is. what is relevant is the aggregate result of the practice, and given that sexual activity results in undesirable pregnancy, then you will incur the negatives of incestual reproduction
you are like some retard arguing against hygiene codes

>>128275112
It is.

It's a form of the Oedipus complex which results from a fucked up childhood. Only people with deep underlying issues would want to fuck their mothers .

>>128261760
Incest is wrong I mean is it really? Is it really?? There are no valid arguments lmao

>>128275112
It also produces nothing of value, therefore immoral. It does not strengthen yourself as an individual, your family, or your community. It's a twisted endeavor.

Sex is for procreation. Clean your room.

>>128275096
Difficult question.
Really difficult question, actually.

People do things solely for pleasure, but sex requires the development of physical organs in order to gain pleasure and those are a result of evolution.

But there are physical things you can do with another which give you pleasure.


I'm not sure on that one.

>>128275112
>Do you agree?
Is the murder and torture sanctioned by the states?

>>128275132
I don't doubt that you dislike it because evolution tells you not to fuck your siblings. But do you have reasons other than feels?

>>128275279
>if it can happen once in rare cases you must treat it as if it will always happen
Firstly, this is retarded
Secondly, you can abort even IF you get your sibling pregnant
Thirdly, homosexual incestual relationships will never result in pregnancies

>>128275348
That's still not an argument why the action itself morally wrong.

Under your explanation it is wrong because it is a manifestation of inner rot (not as an act in itself), out of which all that is wrong manifest. I agree tangentially.

>>128275587
>Is the murder and torture sanctioned by the states?
In my proposed scenario, yes.

>>128269729
https://youtu.be/IFbYM2EDz40

This is a decent animation that helps explain why a minimum wage can hurt people.

>>128274799
>if something doesn't happen often then it's not a bad thing
it literally doesn't matter. just because something is rare doesn't mean it's impossible. i could tell you that contracting HIV is rare, doesn't mean it's right to have sex with someone who might not be aware of the consequences. so lets bring it back. in your hypothetical scenario where every human is just magically going to pull out with 100% success rate, there's STILL a chance that they can get pregnant and have to raise a kid far more likely to have a myriad of genetic diseases. but lets apply it to a hypothetical thats more applicable to the real world. so we get rid of the cultural stigma around incest, far more people start doing it, far more people start getting pregnant through incest, far more kids develop easily preventable genetic mutations. the pullout method is literally the worst form of contraception and the rest aren't perfect so this outcome is undeniable. now, can you give me a reason why that isn't an argument? saying not an argument to every point that disagrees with you, is as they say, not an argument.

>>128275251
What is the purpose of sex if it is not reproduction?
Is it moral for incest to be practised universally?
Is it moral to disable another human being?

>>128275587
My feels are guided by a truth other than scientific truth. It's an objective truth founded in evolution that guides my behavior. Scientific truth cannot tell you how to act in the world, so you can not use it for a moral basis.

>>128275587
>i can't argue my position so i'll argue against imaginary ones
you can fuck your brother all you two want as long as you are both sterilized first

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>>128266203
delete this right now

>>128275587
Why do humans experience sexual pleasure?

>>128275222
Might even just be him with a proxy. The Sweden one and the Canadian one use similar images when posting.

>>128275744
holy shit rare

>>128275990
honestly i wouldn't be surprised if it was destiny on a proxy. no one fanboys over this autist more than this ausposter

>>128271164
>What else do you want me to say? I'm not psychic.

The point you ignored is that because of corruption, in part because of the cartels, a presidential leader in Mexico is not going to get into power any time soon in order to allow for some joint anti-cartel operation to take place with the US.

Saying you'd only support action taken by the US against Mexican cartels if Mexico joins in too, is putting a qualifier on it that will not come to pass. It's a cop out to avoid admitting that the cartels are a problem affecting the US BECAUSE of Mexico and its government.

>>128275639
>In my proposed scenario, yes.
Then yes.
By continuing to live in a state you abide by its laws.

>>128275660
>now, can you give me a reason why that isn't an argument?
Because abortion

>>128275744
>It's an objective truth founded in evolution
But we're beyond evolution now, m80
We've fucked with the natural system

>>128275757
Do you think contraception is imaginary??

>>128275839
Not sure, actually.
It could be to encourage sexual intercourse, but you don't need to have pleasure to cum, and you can have pleasure without cuming.

>>128276216
do you have anything of value to offer for an argument, because you seem to be stuck in a rut

>>128276186
Do you believe a corrupt government will stay corrupt forever?
You don't think revolutions exist?

>>128276216
>Then yes.
>By continuing to live in a state you abide by its laws.
Then I suppose that racism and proper installation of gender roles are alright if the state says so. We don't have much differences after all.

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>>128261760

He's part of the larger network G-Gate belonged to.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>128276406
>Then I suppose that racism and proper installation of gender roles are alright if the state says so
If the state says so then yes, by staying there you intrinsically support its laws unless you're in an edge case that you can't leave the country or the country isn't a democracy.

I like big fat Nigger cock in my asshole
-destiny c. 2012

>>128276216
Doesn't mean people can't lead moral lives that empower people around them.

People need a moral code, and science cannot provide us with one. Only by living like that will bring you happiness and give you meaning. The world is surely """beyond""" evolution, and this is why we are stuck in a hellish glut and why so many people are unhappy.

Clean your room.

>>128266203
You forgot Martin Shkreli making him a living joke.

>>128276575
not being able to leave a country is not an edge case, you mong

>>128276657
How

>>128276395

Do you sign of a revolution occurring in Mexico?

And why is that relevant to whether the US should defend itself from cartels by dealing with them directly?

Should we also wait for Greece to want to pay its debts before having them pay?

>>128276594
Then what moral code do you ascribe to?

>>128276686
It is if you live in a developed country.
Which you do.

>>128276792
You can deal with the cartels affecting the US without invading Mexico.

>>128266203
/Thread

>>128276773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srr7BGrMgRs
Just watch for first 10-20 mins.

>>128276575
>If the state says so then yes, by staying there you intrinsically support its laws unless you're in an edge case that you can't leave the country or the country isn't a democracy.
Now that's a cop-out. Now after we settle on agreement, you insert fucking democracy and "not being able to leave", and that somehow fucking overrides our whole previous conversation.

In conclusion: INCEST IS WRONG BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS SO.

(*Unless you are unable to leave or the state is not democracy, then it is not wrong, and not only is it not wrong, but any previously immoral action that you can imagine is no longer wrong)

>>128276216
how did i know that the worse defence possible was coming.
>conceive child with sibling accidentally due to hedonistic drives
>realise child is prone to genetic diseases
>kill child
there's no way this isn't destiny. you offer worse hypotheticals than he does. i'm not going to argue with you about whether abortion is right or wrong but say the parents are religious and refuse to get an abortion. or for some reason they just keep the child anyway. the child never deserved to live such a shit life if they develop something that could probably have been prevented like cystic fybrosis. all these points you make are only applicable in unrealistic hypotheticals where humans have no flaws. you're just saying not an argument to any point that contradicts you, absolutely the most cancer thing on /pol/. kys please

>>128276943
no it isn't
the poor in "developed" countries have nearly no choice in where they live

>>128276216
Does the existence of ejaculation without pleasure and pleasure without ejaculation disprove the fact that sex exists because of reproduction?

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You're in the club and this guy slabs your girlfriend's ass. What do you do?

Keep in mind he's 4'8" and 110 pounds.

>>128273896
This is an ok lefty meme.

>>128277205
obviously you watch your girlfriend beat him while the club laughs

>>128277040
What are you on about now?

>>128277097
When, following fertilisation, is a human created?

>>128277123
Then I guess they're stuck there.

>>128277157
Sex exists for reproduction
But PLEASURE from sex doesn't necessarily exist for reproduction.

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>>128277360
He went for the tits instead

>>128276943
To be frank I'm still building one and that journey is a long one because no matter what I say here, I have to act it out. Talk is cheap and if the case were that I was really acting it out, I would start off by getting off 4chan and stop procrastinating. Fully acting out such a moral code would make a saint which I am not.

I'm not perfect but best I can do would be to striving towards my goal of an MBA and finding a girl to start a family with.

>>128277205
fuck, his head is so big it could be a lebensraum

>>128277570
Good luck, buddy :)

>>128277481
If sex was not pleasurable, would people have sex?

>>128277481
>What are you on about now?
You said that things are morally wrong/right if the state says so, and it's a democracy and you can leave.

Therefore, incest in the "free world" is morally wrong because the state says it is.

Hope you are happy with the conclusion, I have crafted it solely on your own beliefs.

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>>128266203
> Not mentioning Shkreli
Priceless KO within 5 minutes.

>>128277005
Seems like it became pretty chill one Martin Shkreli stopped thinking that Destiny was out to "get" him, and that eventually they got along pretty well? This was one of my favorite chats he did. Completely changed my outlook towards Shkreli

>>128277763
Of course, but far less frequently as the only purpose would be procreation.

>>128277856
I never said they were morally right or wrong, but if that's the stance the state takes, and you choose to live in that state, then you intrinsically agree with that.

>>128261760
Because he only debates retards and brain-dead e-celebs, while ignoring people like Ryan Faulk, Nick Land, and (((Mencius Moldbug)))

>>128276943
>You can deal with the cartels affecting the US without invading Mexico.

That was the argument and it wasn't had.

>>128275795
What the fuck is wrong with this ugly little bish?

>>128278195
Sexual pleasure therefore must exist for the purpose of sex, and sex for the purpose of reproduction.
If the purpose of sex is reproduction and incest results in disability, incest must be immoral.

>>128270237
>YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE CHILDREN IF YOU HAVE SEX. CONTRACEPTION EXISTS

The actual use effectiveness of the pill is 92%. As such, if you screw 100x over a year or two using the pill as contraception, there is a non-negligible chance of your partner getting pregnant. The chance is greater if using condoms rather than the pill.

>>128277481
as i said i'm not going to argue with you about whether abortion is right or wrong. you cannot dispute the main point against abortion being wrong without a hypothetical where humans are perfect creatures.
>>128277763
that's a good question. i think without an undeniable instinct for us to breed to replace pleasure, conception rates would be at least drastically lower but you would still have a few people who genuinely want kids and thus would still have sex. for most people kids are a purpose in life and not the pleasure that comes with sex, although thats just my own anecdotal opinion

>>128261950
I don't know the faggot is but FPBP

>>128278131
wtf did he expect to happening when he got a pharmaceutical entrepreneur to debate him. like did he actually think a professional minecrafter would be able to show shkreli whats what

>>128278699
against incest being wrong*

>>128278699
Actually conception rates would reach 0 because the death rate would be higher than the birth rate.

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>>128266203
This, nobody even talked about Destiny on /pol/ until he and Jon Tron had their debate and then suddenly we're swarmed by
>/pol/ btfo destiny is so much smarter than you!
threads every fucking day.

Literally around the clock shills here to, I assume, sow doubt and confusion by touting Destiny as some kind of intellectual god that the right wing could never defeat.

He might be a somewhat above average debater, but the groundwork of his logic is still the same faulty, taken-for-granted crap the left has always held on to. He's also an abhorrent human being, with tons of shady creepy shit rumored about him.

>>128278195
well then you intrinsically agree with it, because that is the stance that your state takes

>>128279230
hypothetically it's possible. i guess it depends what % of people would still have kids and whether or not that % would rise as the population fell or not

>>128279839
Well yeah if people were intelligent enough to understand the benefit of marriage and child rearing then humanity would continue to exist for a while

>>128278195
>I never said they were morally right or wrong, but if that's the stance the state takes, and you choose to live in that state, then you intrinsically agree with that.

So let me know if my understanding is right: whatever happens within the state and is sanctioned by the state* is morally neutral because everyone "agreed" to it. If something is not sanctioned by the state, it is not intrinsically immoral either (as a deed by itself), and same applies for any action taken against you by the state, so long as your conditions are met*.
*democracy, and ability to leave (I suppose the latter applies only prior to the misdeed, as anyone can claim it after the fact for any reason whatsoever).

If above is correct, the question for you then is: If murder (as your prime example of "immoral") is sanctioned by the state and carried within the state is not necessarily immoral, then immoral acts can exist only:
1) Against the state, by virtue of being against the law (i.e. breaking your word)
2) Outside of the state
3) (Additional option) - Immorality does not exist at all

If [1] is true, then incest within a state (where * applies) is immoral because it is against the state (breaking the law - breaking your word).
If [2] is true, then all that is immoral happens outside the states
If [3] is according to your belief, you want us to prove something you believe does not exist in the first place.

Looking forward to your response, I might've missed something. Pretty enjoyable conversation.

How has nobody defeated him in a debate about incest, it's so easy to prove that it's immoral

>>128283198
"It's against our dharma" doesn't exactly work on normies senpai.