Brit/pol/: Lincs Edition

>>128251103
Archive

>https://theguardian com/commentisfree/2017/jun/03/fridays-election-debate-panel
https://archive.is/4KAJC

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death to frogposters
freedom for 4chan

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>>128251210

tell me more

tory

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Going to be so fucking bored out of my brains this summer.

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death to Karenposters
freedom for 4chan

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>>128251412

Get a summer job

>>128251412
You won't be bored in a forced labour camp looked over by the Red Brigade's loving eyes, comrade!

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>>128251605
Looking for one... Nobody hires in my end of London for people who will be leaving in early August...

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hmmm

>>128251717

Lie and say you are staying longer then.

So in the best case scenario the Tories will only increase their seats by 32?
This is pathetic, she called the election for nothing. Actually shot herself in the foot because Corbyn will come out strengthened from this.

A hung parliament seems reasonably likely at this point. I'm waiting to see what mental gymnastics the shills on brit/pol/ will do to portray this as a victory for the Conservatives.

>>128251743
gotta be pretty thick to die in this country because of benefits cuts

>>128251717
Just lie. They can't force you to stay.

>>128251743
Died from cuts

>>128251743

WHAT CUTS TO DISABILITY ALLOWANCE?!?!?!

It was changed to PIP which has a more rigorous testing system, and a two tier system where those most disabled get more than those least disabled and the mobility and daily living segments are divided.

HOW IS THAT A FUCKING CUT!?!?

If he's not entitled to it he's not entitled to it.

>>128251755
Will have to.

Do I class as NEET if I am just on summer holiday but still committed to Uni?

>>128251717
But I thought all the mooslims took your manual labor jobs? ;)

>>128251834

No because you are just on holiday, you can't be a true NEET unless you will be doing nothing for the foreseeable future, also you need to be on autism bucks to really join the NEET club.

>>128251887
No they take anything they can launder or hide income, so business that can receive mostly cash income, taxis and convenience stores in particular

>>128251743
Jim isn't wrong. Some of the cuts made by the Tories have been too severe and under reported by the media. There's people who lost their home and had to move too far away from their job or children's school. People who had their PIP cut and now stay indoor for most of the day completely reliant on carers. People are seriously suffering out there, this is why I think the polls are bullshitting. If you don't earn 80k in Britain, your living standards have gone down over the last 7 years, no exceptions. The Conservatives have zero appeal with the common people now.

>>128251887
I wouldn't know, I would have thought it would be more Eastern Europeans and Micks

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>>128251920
You scare me.

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>>128251898
Thank God.

>>128251827
The problem is the testing system is designed to make you fail. Haven't you seen the woman on QT last night? 18 months to get her appointment, and when she got there all they did was ask her about suicide attempts while completely disregarding the fact she was partly sighted.

If you say you can go grocery shopping for example they automatically consider you as not disabled.

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>>128252048

is Cher Lloyd white tho?

>>128252121

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqz713hhz1Y

>>128251566
dumb frogposter

>>128252121
To an American I suppose

>>128252104
If you take stuff off a shelf, you can put stuff on a shelf

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>>128251978

>>128252191

Don't take the fucking bait man

>>128252104

Complete rubbish, I have an autist sibling and can tell you that this is completely false.

First of all he got ESA just from having the form filled in, didn't have to go an assessment at all, second he got PIP after a 3 month wait (which is standard), this is between him applying, being seen, and getting the money, they back pay it all of course.

18 months is a complete and utter lie, she's lying flat out.

Nurses have to ask about suicide attempts as it is technically a medical appointment and if she has put in the fucking form that she is suicidal and they don't ask then they will get sacked if she ends up killing herself.=

They didn't disregard the fact she was partially sighted, she walked out of the appointment. They do not consider you as not disabled if you can go shopping, the PIP assessment is broken up into 15 sections which are scored individually.

You are talking out of your arse m8.

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>Diane Abbo calling the pm racist

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>>128252231
But I'm hungry

>>128252418

BTFO herself on live TV in 5 consecutive interviews

BTFO herself on national radio

>r-racism

>>128252418
One trick pony.

She is just so tired out, I have no idea why Corbyn would have wanted to surround himself with her and Thornberry's ilk.
Like or loathe Corbyn, you can see he has fundamental principles and wants to help Britain the way he sees as right.

With Abbot, she, as she herself has stated she is against Britain.

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T H I C C

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Let's be honest with ourselves; in a general sense, Hitler did nothing wrong and WW2 was a mistake.

>>128252883
WW1 was an even bigger mistake

>>128252883
>murder is not wrong

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>>128252976
It depends on who you are murdering.

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Man brit/pol/ is dead guess all the lads were out on the lash last night

>>128251978
>If you don't earn 80k in Britain, your living standards have gone down over the last 7 years, no exceptions
Now thats bullshit

>>128253065
no, it doesnt

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>>128252976
Hitler personally murdered people? You mean when he was a soldier in WWI?
>>128252658
>I have no idea why Corbyn would have wanted to surround himself with her and Thornberry's ilk
He just has profoundly shit taste in women, and presumably likes to surround himself with a harem of damaged fatties

>>128251978
how do you die from a benefit cut? nhs is free for everyone, if you are on the verge of starvation then steal, if you get caught you can go to jail and be fed there, if not then you are sorted

>>128253272
Yes it does, what if someone were going to detonate a nuclear device that would kill 10 million unless you killed him?

>>128253338
Probably some dumb cunt who was too stupid to realise this and killed themselves instead because 'le evil government'.

Please vote Labour and help pay for my sociology degree.

>>128253296
he ordered people to murder people on his behalf, both in ww2 and in the holocaust

are you saying he bears no responsibility for what the german army did, in his name, having sworn a personal oath of allegiance to him, adolf hitler?
>>128253353
>le bullshit thought experiment gambit

ok whatever, yes murder is still wrong in that instance

>>128252121
Those awful dated tattoos she has.

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>>128251978
>muh food banks

>>128253338
As long as you dislike the current government in power, you will do everything you can to tie all the bad things in your life back to them.

Sure, they might have cut your welfare payment, but nobody asks the question "what made me so entitled to that money to begin with"

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my ancestry seems a little strange..

>>128253511
What do you look like?

>>128253423
>yes murder is still wrong in that instance

How selfish. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. Killing a man who might detonate a bomb and kill many or a man who attempts to kill someone in a mugging should both stopped by good men.

>>128253511
Have you done any further research into your ancestry tree?

>>128251123
Who pays you?

>>128253575
like an anglo for the most part
>>128253598
Yes I am all British except some Italian ancestry

>>128252976
Reinhardt was the orchestrator of the Holocaust not Hitler

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>>128253423
Everyone murders everyone when given the chance to grasp destiny on a huge scale, that's just an eternal fact of human nature. You won't get far with such a lofty and utopian view of humanity.

Thread theme
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ytueAy2m2b4

If this dosnt bring a tear to your eye you have no place in this land

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>>128253657
>polite
>on 4chan
Conspiracy alert!

>>128253596
>Killing a man who might detonate a bomb and kill many or a man who attempts to kill someone in a mugging should both stopped by good men.
why? why is it wrong to kill ten million people with a nuclear weapon? i mean clearly you dont think that murder is wrong, hence why you are recommending it as the right course of action in your example

what other immoral action should be corrected with murder? perhaps if i see someone smoking a joint or shooting up heroin i should blow their head off with a shotgun? after all they are behaving immorally and immoral behaviour should be stopped by "good men" as you said. whatever the hell a "good man" is anyway
>>128253699
lmao ok, lets suppose I grant you that incredibly dubious point. Hitler was the dictator of Germany, he possessed ultimate power. therefore he had ultimate power over who was in his government. therefore he could have fired reinhardt or had him executed or whatever. he also was still responsible for invading poland and slaughtering millions of poles along with the ussr. explain that one

>>128253730
>you wont get far
where is it that you think i want to "get" to? i am simply stating facts, its not my fault if most people are depraved and think that murder is acceptable

>>128253689
>all British
Clearly not - someone's been telling porkies at some point, or there was a lot of migration and name-changing involved in your family history. Black/brown hair and eyes I'm guessing?

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Who is betting here?

Since my original posting the odds for turnout have been slashed or have even flipped as the (((bookies))) now are getting concerned there might be a yuge turnout (65%+) I got in at 6/4 & 15/8 - it's now evens or below.

Plymouth going red is worth looking at.

>>128251978
Jim is a dumb cunt. If you life rests on the sole return of PiP then you probably should just kill yourself.

One of more than a dozen disability benefits people get.

And to die a week or two after their cuts, as lefties seem to fucking claim seems to be the case.. something else is probably the reason for that. If it's mass suicide then all we're doing is ridding ourselves of idiots.

>>128252104
She's lying and what does being partially sighted have to do with fucking anything? Go to fucking specsavers.

And if you can do grocery shopping, you can probably work in a fuckin goffice (they're all by law disability friendly..ffs).

Excuses.

>>128252506
dumb frogposter

>>128253423
the "nuclear weapon" is communism and it killed 100 million

>>128252104
>The problem is the testing system is designed to make you fail.
No, I would argue it's designed to catch out the fucking lazy bastards who are trying to cheat the system.

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>>128251103

STILL NO MENTION OF THE OFFICIAL MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY MANIFESTO IN OP.

It was announced days ago. They are the UK's 4th longest running party and are represented in more places than the SNP and PC. It is also where the UKIP got it's current immigration policy from (2015 OMRLP 2015 Manifesto).

https://www.loonyparty.com/2017-general-election-manicfesto/

Next thread maker sort it fucking out rather than just copy pasting the links from the last one add it to the list.

>>128253841
>why is it wrong to kill ten million people with a nuclear weapon?
Indiscriminate killing does not serve any purpose.

>i mean clearly you dont think that murder is wrong
It depends on the person.

>what other immoral action should be corrected with murder?
Serial rapists, murderers, those attempting to commit murder in the act, drug traffickers, some who commit treason against the state.

>whatever the hell a "good man" is anyway
People who do not commit crimes and who live moral lives.

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>>128252211
underrated
>>128254088
>people who dont commit crimes and live "moral lives" are good people
>people who dont break the laws of man and are good people are good people
so you admit you dont know what a good person is? other than someone who doesnt break the law, even though we all know that politicians are people who illegitimately coerce other people with the threat of force into doing what they want

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>>128253841
Remember that 'murder' is a surprisingly specific term - in the eyes of Hitler, I'm sure he wasn't murdering but killing in self-defence and righteousness (yes that includes Jews and the 'undesirables' he deemed to be dragging everybody down). Your definition of things differs to his, and many people with a tangible opinion on anything will find differences on scales as significant as that.
>>128253841
>where is it that you think i want to "get" to?
The phrase refers to 'getting far in life' not to an actual destination - I'm getting the impression you're not a native speaker

>>128253841
Total War.
Almost every nation in the history of mankind has done these things, massacres of innocents etc.
I agree that it is wrong but I don't understand the current obsession with seeing Hitler as the worst ever.
Mao and Stalin both caused more deaths.

As for you other point, the allegation i that Reinhardt concealed the nature of his camps, so Hitler, allegedly, did not know.

Reminder if you don't have the rugby on you should probably fucking top yourself

>>128253825
I don't buy the idea that you're a harmless autist with a fixation for archiving.
You don't even check if pages' content loads when archived.
What's the point when you're not actually helping?

>>128254236
>so you admit you dont know what a good person is?
No, I defined a good person.

> other than someone who doesnt break the law,
I said those who are moral are good people, those who conduct themselves in a moral manner in addition to not breaking the law.

> even though we all know that politicians are people who illegitimately coerce other people with the threat of force into doing what they want
I did not know the power vested in the state was illegitimate, it is backed by force, history, and processes.

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>>128254338
Who is playing?

>>128254487
Lions you heathen

>>128254345
It's a bot m80

Even the replies

Who are we voting for then lads? I'd vote for the Tories but I'm not feeling masochistic enough at the moment, I'll probably abstain.

>>128254088
>Serial rapists

I'm sorry, but rape is bad but surely killing is a bit much, especially when under your regime people who cause life changing injuries like cutting off peoples hands or throwing acid in their faces (far worse then a bit of the sex, no matter how unwanted it was) get given a free pass.

But then that's American's with their namby pamby SJW culture for you I guess.

>>128254293
>Remember that 'murder' is a surprisingly specific term - in the eyes of Hitler, I'm sure he wasn't murdering but killing in self-defence and righteousness (yes that includes Jews and the 'undesirables' he deemed to be dragging everybody down). Your definition of things differs to his, and many people with a tangible opinion on anything will find differences on scales as significant as that.
irrelevant

he killed people, it was premeditated, he was a murderer, and he depraved others by getting them to murder on his behalf

he is a monster

and in reference to your other point 1) what an amusing, clumsy, hamfisted attempt to imply that i am an immigrant, and 2) i was taking the piss out of you for having such a ridiculous view of life

>you wont get far in life if you think that murder is wrong

i mean what are you fucking talking about, honestly?
>>128254323
I agree that it is wrong but I don't understand the current obsession with seeing Hitler as the worst ever.

this is a fair point, and I think the crimes of communism are not discussed enough, particularly in schools

>>128254388
your definition of moral person is ridiculous

>I said those who are moral are good people, those who conduct themselves in a moral manner in addition to not breaking the law.

what is moral? that is the question. what is moral and what is not?


>force, history, and processes.
so any group of bandits who have enough force can legitimately coerce others into doing what they want, provided they also have a "history" of coercing people and a "process" by which they coerce them. good to know

>>128254644
I don't watch League sorry

>>128254045
And it doesn't even do that. It's laughably easy to get disability bennies. Who the fuck doesn't know that? What are these people on?

>>128254754
I did not define moral, I was quoting John Stuart Mill when I said that and it helped to illustrate what I was saying. I can provide his definitions of moral and such, if you wish.

>>128254753
>especially when under your regime people who cause life changing injuries like cutting off peoples hands or throwing acid in their faces (far worse then a bit of the sex, no matter how unwanted it was) get given a free pass.

huh? You get thrown in jail for assault with a weapon in America.

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holy fuck this guy just btfo himself so bad

>>128254722
I Bottled it and voted Tory

Literally scared of Corbyn PM

>>128254650
My question is relevant then.

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>>128254236
stupid frogposter

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Post em lads

>>128254722
Don't be a political cuckold, who won your constituency in 2015 and was your area leave or remain?

You can always vote for the candidate in your area who supported brexit.

>>128251103
If Corbyn becomes PM you might as well might let Sweden and France annex you as a cucked super state of Zionist interests in the pursuit and genocide and enslavement

>>128255124
be a cool goy and fill out the sheet of personal information

>>128255124
link me?

>>128254953
>look at my twitter convo
Embarassing, you bring up terrorists in a conversation about muslims then question why someone asks you if you believe they're related

The Right needs smart people, not idiots like you

so 4 chan killed a red pill thread deleted the whole thing no one else find this disturbing?

is the BBC left wing? i follow BBC News on normiebook and it seems they have a lot of pro-Corbyn stuff, or at least focus a lot on him saying good things and May saying really obnoxious, overly confident shit

>>128254345
I don't buy the idea that you're not a shill.

Hundreds of thank yous for every shill attempting a concern troll to SHUT IT DOWN

good thing I saved it

>>128255332
>caring about something like this
Go back to T_D yank

>>128255213
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

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>>128255333
>is the BBC left wing?

How to spot a shill 101

when presented with evidence they refuse to even look at it and argue with irrelevant selected items from posts

>>128254293

>Live 37 miles from London

Do I count as English or am I sucked into the black hole?

WHATS MY HOMETOWN DOING AS AN EDITION!!

>>128255333
Well they are new labour left wing/conservative centre left.

The editors are all posh, closet fags or open fags. Everything and everyone has a left leaning to it. Added to that is 'diversity'

I work regularly at the BBC as an editor, every producer I have worked with was a rich kid clueless leftie.

>>128255333
>is the BBC left wing?

I'd say 'is the Pope a Catholic?' but that idiom is no longer relevant as the current Pope is a Globalist first, a cuck second, and a catholic third.

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>>128255124
The only policy I didn't quite understand was the housing (they all seemed very similar), so I just guessed on that one tbqh, which ended up being the Conservative

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>>128253338
Committing a crime such as stealing is morally wrong. Even if it is life or death. Some men will never do it.
Your whole argument is flawed and the previous poster is somewhat correct.

People shouldn't be starving in the first place, but they do and are, right now. People fall through the cracks of the system and end up all kinds of fucked up. This is not a third world country, but there are small pockets of people living in conditions worse than one. I'm serious. I've seen it.

We should be there for our fellow country men and women who fall through these cracks and uplift them to a suitable standard of living. You are no patriot if you let your neighbour starve, or live in a constant fucked up state of affairs.

What happened to humanity? You can hold your "pull your socks up" beliefs and STILL be there for those people who require help. Not in a virtue signalling way, but in a "Fuck me, these cunts are actually struggling and I can help them" sort of way.

If I see an Englishman on the street, I don't fucking care how he got there. I don't care if he's on smack, or a criminal... He should be fucking helped to stand back up on his feet, and be placed into an environment with some form of support system. I'm very much "pull your socks up" too, but some people need fucking help, and that number is growing.

>Inb4 some fucking sheltered rich kid replies

People end up in bad situations, sometimes out of their control.
People (unironically) grew up with less "privilege" than you did.

How can some of you cunts be so hypocritical but still pretend to be upstanding and all for making/keeping (whichever you believe) this country great and strong?

>>128255593
Fuck, I mean Their news editors are fags.

I'm a video editor. But still 99% are 'diversity is strength' around me.

A producer tried replacing me after I questioned why there was remain leaflets in the canteen.

>>128255333
>is the BBC left wing?

You tell me m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFb_AERKha8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpVmXSSYzQ

>>128255452
cheers mate doing it now

>>128255138
It swung Tory in 2015 and voted leave. MP supported leave too.

>>128255351
You are fucking retard.

I've seen people posting just the archive link because they see you and think archiving left wing source is somehow important.

The comments are often the only bit worth reading of the Guardian's needlessly long articles and they don't appear in the archived version. The same goes for video as well on most sites.

You do this because you think you're helping?

You're not.

People should install an ad blocked and whitelist sites if they want to choose who gets sheckels from there views.

>>128255229
stay salty, anime poster

>>128254895

I was talking about how you personally advocated the murder of serial rapists but not people who deserve it even more because your society has this SJW meme running through it that insists comparatively minor assault with a willy deserves death yet things that are even worse like cutting bits off people or throwing acid in their face just deserves jail for a year or two at best.

Thank you for proving my point.

>>128255647

Yeah the housing policy pretty much amounts to, "we will build X number of houses over this year". That's it, none of them will though.

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>>128255742
>comments disabled

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>>128254754
All military powers and regimes are murderous and thereby monstrous, so why get in a huff? Note that only you are talking about small-scale murder, a concept completely distinct from government-sanctioned mass-killings (of which I am defending neither).

And I was merely puzzled that you didn't understand the concept of the phrase 'get far in life' the simplest explanation would be that you're not that familiar with the English language and idioms.

>>128255333
are you absolutely sure it's not just that may is in fact saying really obnoxious, overly confident shit

I mean hell people all over the place are claiming the BBC has an anti corbyn bias

>>128255697
What you say is all well and good, but neither party gives a fucking shit about making this country great or taking care of its people.

>But the labour party!
Is anti-white and would not defend this country even if it were under direct threat of nuclear attack. Corbyn literally said last night that he would 'talk' to countries that would potentially use force against us.

>The Tories
Are anti-white and don't give a rat's fuck about the white working class, or indeed any working or middle class. They're the better option by a cunt hair, just because they aren't Trotskyist morons.

>>128255817
Vote tory then.

>BBC still shilling for Jo Cox
They're making me think it's a hoax lads.

>>128255884
Basically every policy said "We'll build 100,000 homes every year! And they'll be affordable!" I hope people don't actually believe this shit.

>>128255820
Does The Guardian know their hot new patriarchy writer is calling people retards online? That's ableism and ableism disproportionately affects disabled queer womyn of color.

>>128255333
>is the BBC left wing?
They are very in favour of Corbyn and Labour if that's what you mean. If he screws up, they will report on it but try to play it down. If May doesn't do something that's necessarily a screw up but more like dodge a question or keep free school meals for the poorest and everyone else has to pay, they will try to spin it as a massive failure from the Conservatives and a reason why you shouldn't vote for them.
They've also been questioned for their "carefully selected audiences" in debates and political shows.

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>>128251103
THEY SAID BARRON DOESN'T WATCH THE NEWS.
>FUCK THEM ALL!!!!
THE OP ISN'T UP FOR DISCUSSION, IT'S HAPPENING.
THE ONLY QUESTION IS:
ARE YOU DOING YOUR PART?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rx8_vjbXX4&t=1s
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT JOINING THE BIGGEST OP OF 2017, YOU SHOULD GO TO BED, … YAWN, I FEEL SLEEPY, … WE SHOULD ALL GET A GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP, YAWN, …FLUBADUBMMMMMMM ZZZZZZZZZ

>>128256023
This.

Votetards gob off because they think they are making a difference, but when both choices are the same, how the fuck is it making a difference.

>>128256023
>Neither party gives a fucking shit
I know.

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>>128256023
Tories are the least worst option. What a choice.

My parents work fulltime (make about £20-25k a year) and still struggle to get by.

Explain to me how Tory policies in anyway help these people? Like the anon from earlier said, if earn less than £80k a year then the Tories don't give a fuck about you.

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>>128256163
This apparently isn't cultural genocide.

>>128255697
>I don't care if he's on smack, or a criminal... He should be fucking helped
>if he's on smack
Give me one good reason why someone should be absolved of their own bad choices? Because they 'need help'? Why should someone who squanders their own life on getting high be entitled to any care and aid? They clearly don't value their own lives highly enough to not pump themselves full of poison, why should I value it any more highly than they do?
I actually agree with most of what you say, but when someone has undeniably brought circumstances on themselves by their own failings of character I start to diverge.

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>>128251103
Did they find those missing girls who took 'free taxi rides'? Please tell me they are okay and not fucked and turned into kebab meat.

Almond milk is superior

>>128256037
>Jo Cox was a hoax

The sky is blue lads.

>>128256096
I hope the Tories win over Corbs, but I'll be damned twice over if I'll vote for either of the anti-white parties ever again.

>>128256102
It's a sorry situation. We need action rather than politics to help our race. We're unironically going to become South Africa 2.0 within 50 years.

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>mfw it took an Indian dude to say migration has destroyed this country and England is not English anymore

>>128256186
UKIP is the least worst option (Thatcherite CIVICS though at least they admit immigration is a problem), but they're sadly a dead party

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>>128256037
see
>>128255457

You don't address my points.

The other day someone was putting gay porn in the ones on Brit/pol/

>>128256271
And the audience full of White people booed him. Go figure.

>>128256214
>Explain to me how Tory policies in anyway help these people?
Explain to me where Corbyn will get all the money needed for Labour policies and how said policies will help anyone except for young liberal lefties who only care about themselves and being politically correct in society.

>>128256057
>>128256339
meant for

>>128251827
He's probably talking about the fucking travesty of an eligibility assessment.

I dealt with that shit first hand. Had a doctor's note and a visible injury and got cut because the test never once actually asked about my injury, my sick note and if I am to understand, said I can work at a computer and therefore was eligible to work even though I couldn't walk.

>>128256265
>I hope the Tories win

Retard.
The country is already dead as far as Englishmen are concerned. Hoping that democracy continues to hammer in the nails, just because they're wearing your favourite colour tie, is fucking retarded.

>>128255333

BBC just follows whichever dog barks the loudest that day. For years it has been following the Tory/Blairite line that Corbyn is some sort of joke, but then this election happened and it slowly dawned on them that personally he is more popular than May and would make a better PM to weather the post Brexit storm and get us a better deal with the EU.

Trouble is they cottoned on to that a bit late so there are probably still too many people drinking Teresa May's Cool Aid for Labour to win the election outright.

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>>128256271
Because Indians came to England to become a part of England, to live under British law and order and enjoy the benefits of British culture.
No radical religious fundamentalist political movements. No one caring what caste you were born to if you can do a good job. Toilets and toilet paper.
And now their having that goal taken away from them.

>>128255593

Correct. The company I work for does two or three projects with the BBC every year - it's filled with limp-wristed, lisping toffs.

>>128256361
It's almost as if we're a completely fractured society that is beyond saving as our enemy is united and focused under Islam.

RIP UK.

>>128256023
>>The Tories
>Are anti-white and don't give a rat's fuck about the white working class

red-pill me on this

>>128256214
Pretty much they don't. The people I know in rural locations all vote tory because Labour policies ruin them supposedly.

Being self employed, it doesn't really matter for me. Probably Tories as they are less likely to mass audit. In which case i'm fucked.

>>128256474
>HURR DURR we r gona reduce immuhgrints to <10,000
Gross right?
>...

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>>128256404
>having the energy to tell the hordes this same message 100 times a day
I'm starting to sense that you don't mean it.

>>128256474
How do you not know this already?
Basically, the Conservatives got rid of anybody who held real conservative beliefs in order to become electable Blairites and adopted every one of their shitty policies, including mass immigration.

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H-He's gonna win! Trust me!

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Who would rather go a dinner date with? Bloom or Farage?

[spoiler]Bloom is the patricians choice[/spoiler]

>>128256245
People get on and off drugs all the time. People do smack because their life is already a fucking wreck. Heroin and all the "bad" drugs are painkillers. They are simply self medicating.

Now, you can either leave them to die (which they will, but not before probably getting into all sorts of trouble with the law first) or you can help them, in some way. It's all up to you, but you have to understand that it's not as simple as a DM headline.
It's not as simple as "Addicts? Pftt! Scum!"... it's a highly complex problem and just ignoring it does nothing. It's probably a growing problem too, but I don't have the statistics to say for sure.

So yeah, I see where you're coming from and in some cases I definitely agree but at the same time, something has to be done. I don't think there is a cure for it though, it will never go away completely...

>>128256556
No argument.

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>>128255124

>>128256619
>The Young Turks

Can't wait for another meltdown from them

>>128256214

If you parents are struggling to get by on that much money they have budgeting issues not government issues, bet they have Sky, drink, and smoke.

>>128256658
Likewise.

>>128256461
Wag TV is pretty based, I wouldn't to work on Brexit the movie but couldn't in end. Martin Durkin, is an eccentric toff but pretty based nether the less.

I recently ran a geopolitical simulation starting in 1940 as the leader of "Great" Britain and found it difficult to achieve any sort of global power.

I then tried the same simulation as America and took over everything.

Do you retards not understand that America is the greatest superpower in the history of mankind?

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It's just amazing how one group of people could be responsible for so much permanent destruction of a country in such little time.

>>128256672
Agreed that's severe budgetting issues or maybe high previous debts

>>128256601
i'm very new to politics, but surely if they adopt shitty policies to get elected then they can do more work for their goals than if they weren't elected at all? bending branches and all that

>>128256403

That's not benefit cuts though that is just eligibility.

DLA was very easy to get from what I've seen, PIP means that the people that need it get more.

You can work if you can't walk, plenty of people are in wheel chairs and work office jobs, what are you trying to say?

You'd get PIP mobility rate for not being able to walk but that'd probably be £50 a week tops.

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>>128256912
It is staggering but thats what happens when you choose every single policy decision based on what will keep you in power. With no regard whatsoever for long term effects on the country.

>>128256601

Labour moved to the right far more than the Tories moved to the left.

The absolute state labour were in after 20 years + out of power, Blair comes along and moves them to an almost centre-right position economically.

>>128256912
New Labour made things a fuck of a lot worse, but the rot started long before then.

>>128256214
Learn what money printing is you Marxist scum

>>128256214

Go ahead and encourage them to vote Labour pal, when their council tax goes up 300% no doubt there will be tears.

>>128256912
First couple of years of Blair were pretty great. That's probably because we didn't see all the evil shit happening behind the scenes.

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>>128256945
The problem is, their only remaining goal is getting into, and holding, office. No higher aims, no real alignment other than 'which way is the wind blowing today?' They just want to get elected and then consolidate and maintain that power.
Party politics a shit

>>128256900
It's a laughingstock, a powerful laughing stock but a laughingstock nonetheless

>>128257043
>money printing
Good for capitalists but not for the plebs right?

>>128256716
No argument to no argument? The fucking state of anonymongs debating ability.

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>tfw you are a political mongrel

>>128257122
If you want to call it crony capitalism, then yeah you're right>>128257122

>>128257042
I'd say, from what I understand, the country was at least salvageable before Blair.

>>128257161
That's an even pie

>>128257086
The Tories increased business rates which is essentially a council tax for businesses. Also they charge extra if you have private parking bays next to your shop/warehouse/office because they want everyone to commute by foot, bus or cycle lol.

>the party of business
>the party of individual aspirations

You faggots drank the kool aid like sheep.

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morning lads, any news?

>>128257237

>Labour destroys the economy
>The next party has to come in and find ways to make money

No shit sherlock.

>>128257161
Enlightened alt-centre master race

>>128257192
>crony capitalism

#notallcapitalists

>>128257136
No argument to an argument is hardly any better now, you uppity little cunt

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>>128257250
No, the corpse is still rotting.

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>>128257250
Corbyn is going to win

>>128257250
https://twitter.com/ORB_Int/status/870551681775415296

>>128257286
Having a monopoly on currency doesn't facilitate private enterprise

If banks are able to printed out of debt then you have fascism

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>>128257350

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>>128257117
>a powerful

Literally NO ONE has EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, patrolled and controlled the oceans like us.

>le brittania rulez da waves maymay
Nope. It never happened, and you will never even get the chance to try and do it ever again.

>yfw

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>>128257250

Muh "right wing" press are having an absolute field day over Corbyn's disastrous appearance last night.

He just gave them all the ammunition they needed for the next week.

How did the BBC turn the audience around so quickly? From the leftist shithole from Wednesday to an audience that booed someone calling for a 2nd referendum yesterday?

>>128257324
You didn't make an argument? I made the argument that voting is pointless >>128256404 and your reply was entirely focused on my posting habits >>128256556.

Waste of time you are lad, just like voting tory or labor or whatever preference in monochromatic ties is.

>>128257386
>If banks are able to printed out of debt

You have to be old enough to remember the bank bailout to post on this board my son.

>>128257271
Yet they decided to place the burden on small businesses and middle income earners? Makes perfect sense.
What ruined the economy was the bailout, our debt levels were sustainable before that. Yes New Labour is to blame for that, but the way the aftermath was handled by the Conservatives has been a fucking disaster. They even decreased capital gains tax. If the government is short of cash, they should be going after the very sector that got us in this situation in the first place. Why punish people who had nothing to do with it like nurses or a pub owner?

>>128257516
What was wrong with what I have said, money printing allowed the bank bailout

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new oc

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>>128257484
>ad hominum
Not an argument.

>labor

>>128257473
Will it stop the pattern in the polls though?

>>128257466
I was talking about america, should have made that more clear in fairness

>>128257610
The Tories are only interested in GDP numbers.

>>128257661

What the pattern of the Tories being on an average of 44.3%?

Nope.

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>>128257649
>Lib Dems win rigged by-election in which no other party even bothered
>LIB DEM SURGE CONFIRMED
>now on pace to lose seats

>>128257610
Increasing capital gains tax would not go down well with me and I didn't cause any fucking financial crises.

Just a friendly reminder for you lads that moggy has an official Instagram.
Also, top fucking kek, his banter is unbelievable.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUxQkfIFTFY/

Is the stirgeon """debate""" worth watching? The fucking audience is like 10 people.

Where do brits get good news from?
Just read a german article saying tories are starting to panic a little bit.
Would like to confirm with local media, but even as somewhat of a leftist I recognize the guardian is pretty biased, and would like to see if you can recommend a better source

>>128257697
>I was talking about america
I know! That's the point!

You talk shit about America but you fail to realize that OUR navy ensures that you are able to ship goods overseas and protects your rights to do so.

No one in the history of mankind has ever been able to make that promise.

>>128257910
Are you Scottish?

>>128256271
The white males on QT last night showed they're the ones who have destroyed this question. Care about Brexit, education, environment, the economy?

Nah the most important election topic is whether we would fire Trident at North Korea and if Corbyn spoke with the IRA 30 years ago. I used to care about immigration like you guys, not any more.

>>128257910
No don't give that traitor your time.

>>128257964
Brit news is all pretty biased, except for BBC (and even that sometimes has a pretty obvious agenda, but they usually don't pick a side in Tory vs labour). I personally like the spectator and the telegraph.

>>128257964
The Telegraph is moderately right wing, but reasonably reliable.

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>>128258016
Yes

>>128257964
and why the fuck does bbc.co.uk automatically redirect me to bbc.com, which only has global news
what don't they want me to see

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who /cuckold/ here?

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>>128258020
>I used to care about immigration like you guys, not any more.
top kek lad. top fucking kek

>>128258020
Those are important questions, though, especially since Corbyn won't answer them. All he had to do was say "if attacked, I would consider Trident as an option" and "I condemn the IRA", but instead he always dodged like an idiot. Even if he didn't mean what he was saying, the smart thing to do would be to make it a non-issue.

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Jezza's support for the IRA and Hamas haven't really harmed him that much on their own but if you couple it with the whole Trident issue that was exposed last night, it paints a narrative that when the shit really hits the fan he wont have our back and even worse, may side with our enemies.

>>128258135
The UK version is for people who pay the licence fee.

>>128257659
>labor
Fair one, phone posting.

>ad hom
I'm glad you can identify your shit argument lad.

>>128257611
Looking around for the fascism in these bailouts

Rip off, or con is the word I might use for how the tax payer fared out of it.

But then it wasn't an investment in the future like a government spending plan is.

>>128258225
>Ken Hom
Not an argument.

>>128258070
>>128258073
thank you, will check out the telegraph

>>128255351
Thank you based norwaybot of anticlickbait

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>>128258122
Maybe then. Dunno why the meme national parties were in that debate the other day though when they only stand in a handful of seats.

>gf invited me along to her friends wedding
>I really don't want to go
>says I don't have to go if I don't want to, it's fine.
>I know full well this is a trap
>Irregardless I say, cool, I'm not going
>she hits the fucking roof.

Women. I swear to fucking god.

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So when Labour underperforms the polls and the Tories win a big majority, will the left start screeching about muh Russia?

>>128258223
do you get redirected away from https://www.tagesschau.de/ ?

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>>128257964
just look at the polls

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870609450083790849

>>128258404
>Having a gf
FONS

>>128258404
>irregardless

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>>128257661

i think each poll will settle at Tories 3%-6% lead and they'll win by 14% in reality

>>128258200
>if attacked, I would consider Trident as an option
Momentum really wouldn't like that though
>I condemn the IRA
or that

>>128258404
You have to go to keep an eye on her m8. She will be off with someone else sharpish.

>>128251103
Who here l I n c o l n

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>>128257964

>>128258404
why not go? free food and brownie points with the gf

>>128258471

the tories are taking like 45-48% popular

>>128258471
how many seats though, labour are close to hung parliament thats what scared veryone. maybe they do no offical deals but SNP can support them in every vote if they want to

>>128258404
>not enjoying spending time with your missus
Are you a poof?

>>128258510
Thing is, I didn't mind going, it was the complete false promise of "oh I don't mind if you don't come" that really hit a nerve. Like, that's bullshit and I'm going to call her out on it.

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>>128258613
Not a fucking wedding lad

>>128258298
Enjoying the (You)s lad. Keep em coming.

>>128258629
what a needless argument

>>128258629
You should have gone "I will go if..." and then get a nice reward out of it. It's not too late to do that.

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>>128258679

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>>128258404

>dealing with the vaginal Jew

>>128258423
no

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>>128258404
I'm sure she'll get over it and enjoy the wedding and open bar without you.

>>128258431
That's outdated. Labour is over 40% now.

>>128258679
Same, all part of a nutritious breakfast. I see nobody else is throwing them your way anymore so I thought I'd be charitable.
>>128258666
Dunno mate, any boring situation can be turned round if you get on with your bird well enough. They're meant to be your best mate at the end of the day.

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>>128258776
>open bar
The only thing "open" is their relationship

>>128258776
>elsa60
You are grim mate. Even munchyboxposting isn't as bad as that.

>>128258375
It's labeled as a car crash on youtube so might be worth it, then again every fucking interview on yt is apparently a car crash now.

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>>128258202
That's because people who support Corbyn don't have any sense of national pride and would rather embrace terrorists than Tories. Corbyn supporters know he's a pacifist and know he wants to give them free shit

>>128258814
>They're meant to be your best mate at the end of the day.
No. GF and best mate are completely different things. You don't go down the pub with your bird if you have any sense, and you don't fuck your best mate.

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>>128258590

Labour are no where near hung parliament, just take the spread betting sites.

Labour are building up votes in their own constituencies.

>>128258930
She always seems retarded though tbf

>>128258752
well, we are paying licensing fees for that
but I figured it out
I can circumvent it by using adblock

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>>128258779
not in any poll of polls ,only one poll has labour over 40%.

>>128253689
>Yes I am all British except some Italian ancestry
kek

Tim Farron is a right creepy nonce tbqh

Daily reminder to send the buggers back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mP40O-SUlI

>>128258431
are the polls trustworthy?

>>128258590
The polls always underestimate tory votes due to the shy vote

>>128259145
I'd say they're a little bit cautious of you since you invaded them back in the day.

>>128259145
Would you leave the pope alone with your kids?

>>128259145

British polls are the worst in Western Europe, an average of 6% out.

If the polls are far apart the Tory voters won't bother showing up so they'll lose some marginal seats, they need the polls to be close so people panic at the prospect of a Labour government.

>>128259113
KEK

>>128257451

Would vote for this.

>>128259159
Surely they must be factoring that into the equation this time though

>>128259028
i wouldn't trust spread betting or betfair, you don't know what is someone hedging or bookies laying off bets.

It's tough being a Blairite, we have no-one to vote for.

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>>128258963
Ah well I'm not really the pub type anyway, more into walking round the countryside and exploring in my spare time. Can't do that with a blokey best mate.

>>128259279

They can't, they only factor in likelihood to vote based on if they voted in the referendum and in 2015 for example.

>>128259292

When they make their money off this stuff it pays to be more accurate than pollsters.

>>128259113
Nothin' offensive nothin' blue

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Don't vote (unless you have a UKIP candidate)

>>128258200
Corbyn could have acted like any neo-liberal politician from the beginning, playing up to the PMQs theatrics and spin. Using cliches and positioning themselves as "centre ground" pragmatists.

I was against him at first but quickly realised what he is doing is getting the British public to think about these issues themselves rather than lying to them.

I agree that these are important issues. People need to start questioning how off the rails the military industrial complex have became. No other politician would stick their neck out in both our countries.

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>I'll give the figure in a moment

>>128259380

>How much will it cost Mr Corbyn
>erm a lot

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>>128259380
>would you like to answer the question?
>n-no...

>>128259302
I hadn't even thought about that
Who do you vote for if you are a conservative but were against brexit?
I would like to hear your thoughts on that in more detail and which way you are leaning right now election wise.

>>128259279
That's the thing, they don't

E.g from 2015 Election the polls predicted a hung parliament with Tories less than 300 seats.

They got 331 seats

>>128259370
Even UKIP only want to reduce net immigration. But it's beside the point as most of them are now classed as "british" anyway. We've been colonised by Islam and only LARP tier policy could hope to remove it.

>>128255256
Fucking kek.

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Not sure what job to try and go into lads.
What will earn me a fuck tonne of money?

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PAY MY DISABILITY BILLS

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>>128259330
>I'm open to giving my blokey best mate a good seeing to tbqhwyf

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>>128259623

>>128252121
she's a pikey

>>128259623
No