Why is this you? Don't be this.

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>>128229822
None of the bullet points on tat slide correlate to a global temperature change catastrophe as is always pushed by climate change (((scientists))). We are in fact in one of the colder periods of the climate cycle.

>>128232752
Why do you use false data? Who are you protecting by destroying our world? I hope they're paying you well.

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>>128233966
It's all real data, go check the studies yourself, the names are at the top.

>>128234071
Now why don't you show the class the data where the average temperature has risen in an almost identical pattern to the rise of the industrial revolution.

>>128229822

>What if the people asking for money are just pocketing it instead of doing anything about their supposed cause
>What if the proposed solutions are not only ridiculous but line up exactly with proposals to sabotage nations

You: I'm too blind to see the above anon

>In b4 muh cow farts

Feed your cows a different diet instead of taxing farmers for something you aren't going to directly measure...

>But you still don't understand

see: Solution vs. Gibs

never understood why pol is vehemently against environmentally friendly ideals. what does pol have to gain from denying the obvious? i can't imagine we have that many big oil execs browsing this board. let's say there isn't a 99% consensus among all of our researchers and scholars, aren't the dangers of not doing anything much, much greater than over regulating? over regulating means the big oil companies paid a few extra bucks, not doing anything means we fucked the only planet in our observable universe that's habitable by humans.

that plastic sludge in the ocean and irregular concentrations of methane in the atmosphere aren't natural and aren't going to disintegrate into the environment, you fucking dolts

>>128234241
Just because the industrial revolution happened as global temperatures were on their way up does not correlate to the industrial revolution being the cause of the global temperatures going up. How would you explain the temperatures in the past (>>128232752)
(>>128234071) dropping below that they are today and rising far above what they are today multiple times? Multiple industrial revolutions? No.

>>128234435
>aren't natural
what does that even mean?

>>128234547
>they match on an almost identical rate
>TOTAL COINCIDENCE THAT WE SYNCED TO NATURE ON A 100K+ YEAR SCALE

Do you even hear yourself talk?

Because we do.

>>128229822
>For nothing
The problem is that it's not for nothing, it's at a drastic price thanks to using fucking windmills and the like, when maybe if we wait a few decades science will have produced something that actually makes an impact instead of a drop in the ocean change at a ludicrous cost.

>>128234795
You realize that there are countries in this world that are 100% renewable energy, right?

The technology already exists. And it'll get better.

>>128234695
>ON A 100K+ YEAR SCALE
yes that's a very long time for things to happen and the temperature rises slowly but steadily and drops slowly but steadily. Just because we are in a steady upwards climb does not indicate that the industrial revolution is the cause of the rise just because it occurred during it, as it has been shown that the rise is completely in correlation with the previous cyclic thermal fluctuations.

Now if you can provide some arguments and data to the contrary without resorting to only sarcasm and green text memes I'd be happy to listen.

>>128235042
You have contradicted yourself in this thread.
We saw an increase in literally the same very same timespan that it took humans to industrialize. At almost the same rate. Yet a very short period in the grand scheme of things.

That's the stupid thing with climate deniers. Their own data proves how wrong they are. They talk on huge spans of Earth's history and yet we've only been polluting for a hundred fucking years.

You argue with yourself. All you deserve in response is greentext and memes, because what you spout is literally no more intelligent.

>>128234664
>what are polymers that take thousands of years to even remotely break down

educate yourself, moran

>>128234435
Do we really have environmental shills invading?

>>128235402
So you're dodging again and not providing an argument or data to support it? Great, good to know you aren't trying to convince anyone at all.

>>128235408
What's your point? Define "not natural".

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>>128235567
No, son. You already agreed with me on the rate of increase coinciding with the rate of industrialization earlier in the thread. And now that I point out that that totally doesn't mesh with your natural temperature changes of Earth over long time periods, you're ready to move the goalposts and try to proof meme.

I've actually seen people better at denying than you. Just tell your jewish overlords that you tried.

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>>128229822
Sorry for the quality Im on mobile, did my best but i fixed it for ya

>>128235852
Good effort, better than the leaf because at least I laughed.

>>128229822
they leave out planned technocratic economic collapse

and

ushering in one world government

we can achieve all that other shit without them

>>128235688
>I point out that that totally doesn't mesh with your natural temperature changes

That's all you've done, said it. You haven't provided any proof, any data that shows that the industrial revolution significantly impacted the rate of global temperature change. All you are doing is parroting talking points and projecting.

Apply yourself.

>>128235852
Engineer in renewables here

Looks about right

How the fuck do I get out of this industry. Its a fucking obama scam, they don't even pay the technical people all that well.

>>128235852
top kek

>>128236002
........except you already agreed to it, therefore it means you're acknowledging the data.

But I'm going to give you a talking point that will put your foot in your mouth for good. 2/3 of Canada's electricity is from renewable sources. So are you saying Canada is stupid? Are you saying America is better for using more coal? Are you saying America is better for polluting more? Are you saying Canada is being hindered because of this?

As the image in the original post said, what is the point of denying when obviously it works effectively without all these dumb memes?

>>128229822

GEE I REALLY WANT TO BE TAXED MORE SO THAT THE EUROFAGS ACCEPT US AND GET TO REGULATE OUR ENERGY USE AND PRODUCTION, I WON'T REST UNTIL THE EUROS THINK WE'RE AS PROGRESSIVE AS THEY ARE!!!!

>We shouldn't be spewing toxic gas into the air constantly and dumping our shit directly into the fucking ocean

/pol/: HURRRRR TOXIC GAS? IM NOT DEAD SO NOT TOXIC HUH? LOL

>>128236224
I haven;t agreed to it, all I agreed to is it happened during the already rising temperature (a perfectly normal rise in accordance with the data before it). What I did not agree to is that is is the cause of the rise in temperature, in fact, I pointed out that correlation does not equal causation and you are attributing causation to an event within the rising temperature trend because it is convenient to your narrative. It's no different than saying "The first central bank was established in England during this temperature raise therefore establishing central banks in England is the cause of global temperature increase."

I'm still waiting for your data that supports your point.

>>128232752
How do they know temperatures from 10k years ago

>>128236706
No. You agreed earlier in the thread when I mentioned it. We're not playing this silly game. You stepped in it, you made yourself look stupid, and now you're going to eat your words and deal with it.

Luckily not all Canadians are dumb shills like you and are making the progress that America should be making.

>>128236278
odds are you are poor as shit and work some piece of shit minimum wage job. there is statistical proof the majority of americans benefit more from higher taxes than they do from low, check out how utter shit red states are compared to blue. you know who doesn't benefit from higher taxes? the 1% MUH GOD EMPEROR trump but keep slurping that corporate cock, your descendants are fucked at the behest of your millionaire overlords

>>128236777
Ice caps

>>128236777
ice core drilling and analyzing the many layers that have been frozen in time over the period for the characteristics/composition of the ice as well as the particulates that are entrapped within the ice.

>>128236821


>You agreed earlier in the thread when I mentioned it. We're not playing this silly game.

See: >>128234547

>Just because the industrial revolution happened as global temperatures were on their way up does not correlate to the industrial revolution being the cause of the global temperatures going up.
>does not correlate to the industrial revolution being the cause of the global temperatures going up.

sure thing bud.

>>128237008
>>128237122
That's pretty badass

>>128234947
Nowhere with an even remotely high population.

Again, the argument isn't that the technology exists, it's that you'd need to build a veritable forest of bloody windmills to do it.

If the technology is getting better, then I'd rather wait for something sensible.

>>128236821
>>128237122

USguy, you're getting owned and you sound triggered and unreasonable as fuck.

I mean, your first argument was that all his data was false.

Honestly, it's a pretty persuasive graph too.

>>128233966
Why do you want people to pay thousands of dollars a year in carbon taxes when we can just build a big mirror in space between the Earth and the Sun to reflect 1-2% of sunlight and have the problem solved for about $10-$20 per person?

The only explanation is that you are (1) retarded or (2) an evil conman.

Hundreds of millions of people are starving right now. Overpaying to solve a carbon problem is literally the same thing as genocide.

You are a disgusting genocidal freak.

>>128234435
I am and I hope most here are for nuclear energy, a proven and easily accessible and safe source of energy that's also clean. Most "environmental" shills promote solar energy which is inefficient and actually pollutes damn near as bad as FF. Also a 'carbon tax' is another way for bureaucrats to havr control pver busimesses and himders business growth and startups

>>128229822

for nothing? It would lead to more poverty. Are you okay with more poor and suffering people just in the name of "muh blue sky" ?

>>128229822
More like

>what if this is only an excuse for western government to put in place always more regulations and taxes, destroying our lifestyle and industry, while the rest of the world can still do whatever they want and none of this would have any positive impact anyway?

FTFY

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>>128229822
The pact was basically being broken by China, Russia, NK and half the world. It was a net loss for American money when other countries don't even fucking follow it.

>>128229822
You want to know why you selfish sadistic leftists?
its not because we all explicitly think "m-muh global warming" isn't happening
its not because we "anti-science"
its not we're somehow a bunch of racist nazis or whatever other excuse your insane mind can come up with

We refuse this shit because YOU keep trying to force more and more clauses onto agreements, such as paying for "third world countries" carbon taxes so that they can do whatever they damn well want...
And your "third world" nations include...China...and India.
and that's just one fucking part of it
The immigration clauses?
the migrants?
all that bullshit that we would have been forced with had we accepted it?
NO
we are NOT going to put up with your awful agenda anymore, even the most blind can see that, even for those that you do forcibly relocate here, all you do for them is make their lives even worse, and stir up hatred against them by shilling them so fucking hard

you will never understand this. you will never understand why you are so vehemently and increasingly hated.
We may not be "the good guys", but we are the ones that will survive. We are the ones that will emerge from this and still exist, your violent and extremist ideology is untenable, and you will reap the awful consequences of what you sow. "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" as they say, and your sword is being very violently and aggressively handled.

>>128236002
The climate has never changed this fast before. It's currently changing about 10x faster than the fastest changes previously. There's no way it's a coincidence. We know how much climate change we would expect from only natural causes today and it's no where near what we see.

>>128229822
the math used by the group shows that to actually change the temperature of the world by 1 fucking degree, we would need to level society completely, globally and try to forage for food. oh, and that was within 200 years.

>>128237931
Whereas I agree China is a big time producer of pollution, I wouldn't say any country had broken the pact yet. Violated rules that are in the pact? Yes. But the pact doesn't go into effect until 2021. Russia hadn't even signed it yet!

Don't worry, be happy

>>128239112
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/todays-climate-change-proves-much-faster-than-changes-in-past-65-million-years/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjAjfiA8aDUAhXFOyYKHbbdDNoQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fphys.org%2Fnews%2F2015-02-iconic-graph-center-climate-debate.html&psig=AFQjCNFh0fqLgCb7_VtELlTd6R29aPRlmg&ust=1496552035260817
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page4.php
sorry forgot to link sources

>>128237719
Yes.

>>128239112
>The climate has never changed this fast before. It's currently changing about 10x faster than the fastest changes previously.

Care to provide some evidence for that claim? If you refer to the graphs I have posted and direct your attention to the previous rising trends you can see that several of them have a steeper rise than the current trend.

Looks especially at the rising trends just after 350,000 years and just before our current state at roughly 10,000 years in this graph: >>128234071

The rate of temperature increase is far greater than it is currently and the data shows that the current rate temperature increase has slowed since ad noted by the "dome top" of the present temperature readings.

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>>128229822
Because this

>>128236917
kek
you are beyond stupid
blue states tend to be wealthier because wealthier populations tend to be more liberal on average
not because liberal policies lead to wealth

>>128239638
>Care to provide some evidence for that claim?
yeah sorry, I forgot to link my sources.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/todays-climate-change-proves-much-faster-than-changes-in-past-65-million-years/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjAjfiA8aDUAhXFOyYKHbbdDNoQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fphys.org%2Fnews%2F2015-02-iconic-graph-center-climate-debate.html&psig=AFQjCNFh0fqLgCb7_VtELlTd6R29aPRlmg&ust=1496552035260817
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page4.php

And my argument is heavier then your

>>128239112
>The climate has never changed this fast before.
>It's currently changing about 10x faster than the fastest changes previously.
>t. Doesn't Know About the Little Ice Age

>>128239870
That is the most autistic chart I've ever seen. Cite the source.

>>128229822
Chrisy, I remember 5-10 years ago when id see arguments like the one in the image and thought it was totally justified. Now I barely recognize that person I used to be.
>image makes zero sense

>>128229822
>create a better world
>by crippling our own economies
>by enriching our enemies

kill yourself

>>128239860
Liberal girl i work with doesnt like repubs, I mean neither do i, but her family is currently selling their house for 700k. I highly doubt she understands the plight of average Americans from her ivory tower

>>128229822
>carbox tax
>better world
lel

>>128239870
How do we determine CO2 levels of the earth from 10000 years ago

Church of Goremon thread

>>128239986
It's a combination of data points. In order,

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/images/air_bubbles_historical.jpg
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/graphics/lawdome.gif
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/full.html

>>128239500
>>128239912

Your first source is Californian "Anne C. Mulkern, West Coast Bureau Chief for Environment & Energy News." And provides no academic data to the claims.

Your second source is based off a graph on only a range of 1000 years and on a scale of decimal points of temperature degree changes therefore doesn't focus on the temperature fluctuations for the past hundreds of thousands of years which often have risen hotter than today at a greater rate .

The graphs on the Nasa website only account for decimal points of temperature degree as well and only date as far back as 150 years which is AFTER the industrial revolution.

It seems to me that they are focusing on the most recent upward trend with no attention spent on the trends the earth has undergone in thousands of years previously. Such as this image (>>128237913). Quite disingenuous to focus only on the latest trend and act as if it is some huge concern when bucnh more radical trends have occurred multiple times in the past. We are literally coming out of an ice age, it's pretty normal to have temperatures have a noticeable increase in relation to the recent past.

>>128240293
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/ice_core_co2.html
And they explain more in depth as to how they got it here (under the data subsection)
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/modern_co2.html

>>128239870
>switch location and data source
>get different results

Who would have expected.

Surely a series of volcanic islands has the same CO2 concentration as an arctic ice core.

>>128240293
ice cores from greenland. we pull out a tube of ice that's like a mile long, we know how much ice is deposited each year, we can analyze the ice to see dust particles and whatnot and figure out with pretty good accuracy what the average temperature was and a few other things

>>128240130
>crippling our own economies
Im pretty sure having most coastal regions flooded hurts the economy. And even then, not relying on a very finite source of fuel is the future. If we could ween the world off of gas, we'd actually cripple the hell out of Saudi Arabia and Russia.

DAILY REMINDER

* A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C.

* The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8C of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor and that more water vapor will lead to a lot of warming.

* The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average H2O feedback rate.

* Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 17 years. They are all trending too high.

* In the late 1990's the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.

* There is no data to suggest a +H2O feedback either now or in Earth's past.

* If there is no +H2O feedback then we literally have nothing to worry about.

* The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind it's simply "CO2 = bad" and "experts say we're warming faster then ever."

>>128240293
Ice cores

>>128240466
>on a scale from 270 to 350 ppm

Also, how does that prove that an increase of co2 to the effect of 80ppm has had a significant measurable effect (not to mention dangerous) on the increase of global temperature?

>>128239870
>ice core
>ice core
>volcano
Might as well prove global warming by first checking my fridge and then my stove for temperature

>>128240682
So you're literally the dude in the OP image, rofl

>>128234695
Or weathers naturally stupidly noisy and you can find peaks pretty much wherever. Historical data is smoother because it's from lower resolution measurements.

>>128235402
>waves move back and forth
>i throw a ball at it as it moves out
WAOW THROWING BALLS AT THE WAVE CAUSE IT TO MOVE OUT! SAVE THE OCEAN!

>>128240780
>rip apart the theory scientifically
>"hurr you're the guy in the image"
No further commentary from the <100 IQ crowd.

Climate change is happening, but the Paris Accord is a shit deal.

>>128240592
Valid point, however taylor dome and law dome are both in Antarctica. Neglecting the hawaii data, it's still very high.

>>128240780
Shockingly enough replacing energy sources with metric tonnes of heavy metal laced solar panels and batteries doesn't help the environment. Of course, we could do the smart thing and go nuclear for ridiculous amounts of clean energy on demand but NUCLEAR SCAAAAAAAARY.

>>128234071
>>128232752
>takes REGIONAL data and passes it off as GLOBAL data
Different regions go through milankovic cycles where they have cooling and heating periods, the problem is that when you average ALL regional data sets, it leans to warmer temperatures, noticeably so. This is the problem with this issue, its full of people who dont know how to interpret scientific data and literature.

>>128240753
Because it's a rapid increase. The rate of change of that graph is insane near the 1900's.

Literally go ask about this shit on /sci/
It's so pathetic seeing you faggots get ripped apart every fucking day.

>>128240895
>Neglecting the hawaii data, it's still very high.
No, it's not. It's well below the level required for an optimum biosphere (maximum biomass and biodiversity). One of the great ironies of the stupid AGW debate is the side that claims to be for the environment wants to starve the environment of carbon.

>>128232752 are you even a scientist? doubtful. you are like that annoying guy who thinks he can cure cancer with a leaf and doctors are just out to steal your money

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>all cars are going electric while 1 container ship pollutes more than a million cars combined

>>128241008
Hate to break it to you, but the Roman and Medieval optimums were global and were warmer than today.

>>128241012
it's a rapid increase on a small scale, it only proves that we generate more co2 than before the increase but doesn't tie in how that drastically effects the global temperatures at a concerning rate that is any different than the past thermal fluctuations.

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>the future of this planet's habitability is a partisan issue

not even mad, just sad

>>128240895
So what caused the rise since it started pre-industrial revolution then? It seems silly to accept that temperature can fluctuate wildly naturally, yet when CO2 does it's a herald of the apocalypse.

>>128234664

if you have to ask that then you have lost your common sense.

>>128234241
correlation doesn't equal causation my dude.

>>128241064
Could you give me a source for that claim? I'd like to read what optimum levels for co2 should be, then.

>>128240780
Except we're not creating a better world, were lining the pockets of a bunch of faggots and warlords though. Also look into the environmental damage caused by mining materials, processing, and manufacturing solar panels. Finally China doesn't give a fuck, they even refused to allow third party auditors. If it still isn't clicking I can't help you, you're probably too retarded.

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>>128241233
Define "not natural" please.

>>128229822
I'll send you 1ETH if you can name me one single actual economic benefit for the USA in the Paris Treaty. One. That means where the money couldn't better be spent elsewhere. I'm waiting.

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>>128240130
only feeble minded slaves believe this.

>>128234947
Explain how funneling money to developing nations with unstable governments helps save the world faggot.

>>128236917
>more taxes means you take home more money
wow spotted the retard

>>128237450
I for one DON'T support nuclear power for the resources are few and far between.

>>128241215
that's the annoying part for me. I encourage legitimate criticism of the idea that human produced co2 has a significant impact on the climate, but republicans don't actually care about that. they just want money. they're fine with letting jews poison our water and destroy our forests as long as they get a bit of the profit
it's also annoying how the left completely glosses over the negative environmental impact third world immigration and population growth has, not to mention urban living in general.

>>128236917
That's your statistical proof? Are you fucking retarded?

>>128241652
>few and far between
... what
Maybe in the UK, but america and australia have retarded uranium production and stores.

>>128241347
>>128241177
Oh and i forgot, keep in mind we're currently under low solar luminosity, AND the rate of increase of temperature is immensely higher than any recorded history. Even ~100mn years ago when the temperature was higher, it took millions of years for the temperature to reach those high peaks. In a small fraction of that time we've shot up in temperature more than ever before.

Its amazing how susceptible people are to oil shills.

>yes, good goy, there isnt any global warming, keep buying gas

>>128241188
The best I could come up with to answer this would be this https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_16/

I'm guessing that the reason we haven't seen a massive spike in global temperature is because it hasn't happened for long enough, but I'm not completely sure.

I think you'd have to be retarded to deny climate change. You don't go from wagons to sports cars, airplanes and skyscrapers in <200 years without changing your environment.
But if you take climate change to its logical conclusion then it's just another reason this century is going to be the one where we get to watch it all crash and burn.
The good news is technology is improving. Maybe we can salvage something without reverting to sticks and stones in the great immigration and resource wars of the 21st century.

>>128229822
really bad b8 m8 0/8

>>128234947
oh cool could you name them for me please.
i had no idea that renewable energy could be used as a reliable baseload feed into the grid due to its intermittent nature but perhaps I am mistaken and there is some sort of magical baseload renewable source i havent heard of.
inb4 nuclear..

>>128241215
Maybe people just hate being lied to?

Maybe they fucking hate wealth redestribution?Take your hyperbolic bullshit elsewhere you cocksucker

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>>128241347
Not sure what your podunk source is, but GISP2 disagrees

read that other bullshit in the Accords about feminism and diversity and list only that shit on the screen, as well as paying China and India billions of dollars while they aren't expected to reduce their pollution for 5 years.
Then the guy should be asking something about the climate.

>>128241953
So, you're retarded. I dont think you have reading comprehension. Let me make it easy for you. You're posting and referencing REGIONAL data (greenland). I posted GLOBAL data. See the difference? REGIONS go through heating and cooling cycles all the time, but they all typicaly cancel out. For example, if greenland is going through a cold period, perhaps the antarctic goes through a hot one in the inverse. The problem is that the averaging out of all regions nets a strong increase in temperature over the past century or two.

Again, this is the problem with the issue, you have dumbass armchair scientists who dont know how to interpret data thinking their cherry picked sources or regurgitated talk points from equally unqualified pundits are every bit as credible as climate scientist interpretations.

>>128235852

Bartender, get this man a (You)

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>>128241449
US businesses want to sell the new clean energy tech and energy sources, such as natural gas, that are needed to cut carbon emissions. And they want the US government to participate in the global negotiations about how that will be achieved. If we pull out, then US businesses wont have a seat at the table when it comes to bilateral agreements with other nations. fortunately Trump wont last past Christmas and the next President will reverse this decision.

>>128237420
Because apparently NASA cant do shit and russian rockets are being disassembles during their flight by Jesus himself. So no, we cant build a giant fucking mirror, but we can TRY to consume less crap (use your bloody iphone for at least a year, dont buy the new one) , and enforce populstion limits on african and asian countries.

>>128242219
Care to cite your sources and how they gather long range regional temperature data?

>pollution isnt real either
>something is worse for the environment, tjat means i dont have to sacrifice or change anything
Nice child mentality there americucks. A healthy homeland is the most important thing for any people.

>>128242377
> J.T. Houghton; et al., eds. (2001). "Figure 1: Variations of the Earth's surface temperature over the last 140 years and the last millennium.". Summary for policy makers. IPCC Third Assessment Report - Climate Change 2001 Contribution of Working Group I. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Retrieved May 12, 2011.

>J.T. Houghton; et al., eds. (2001). Chapter 2. Observed climate variability and change. Climate Change 2001: Working Group I The Scientific Basis. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Retrieved May 12, 2011.

>National Research Council (U.S.). Committee on Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years Surface temperature reconstructions for the last 2,000 years (2006), National Academies Press

>Michael E. Mann, Zhihua Zhang, Malcolm K. Hughes, Raymond S. Bradley, Sonya K. Miller, Scott Rutherford, and Fenbiao Ni Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia (2008) Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

>>128240130
>In the long run, we're all dead"

Keynes please go

>>128229822
All that shit isn't free dude. We need to honestly examine the costs. Some of that shit is too vague to even be measurable like "Livable Cities".

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>>128234435
Overregulation means that everyone pays a few extra bucks and the wealth of society grows slower.

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ftfy

>>128229822
>totalitarian control of people's lives will make a better world

>>128229822
These are exactly the things Hitler wanted for Germany.

>>128229822
JUST GIVE US YOUR MONEY!

>Globalist shills non-stop since Karl wrote that fucking book

>>128237276

Fucking Denmark has made 100% of its electicity powered by wind.

Renewables are the future and you can either embrace it or get left behind.

>>128243072
This is supposed to be bad?

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>>128243252

explain this

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>>128242985
>looses

>>128236917
The best states for business are red idiot.

>>128243530

its 2am be nice

>>128242985
learn to spell you retard

>>128242622
Thanks

>>128243358
Sorry but what does price per kWh have to do with the source of the energy? If anything it makes more sense that a country with less efficient energy production charges more for the electricity at the trade off of allegedly positively affecting the global climate by doing so.

>>128243715

So you agree that renewable energy is less efficient, and that those costs get translated to the price per kWh?

>>128229822
>The world is dying, we need to do something or we will all be destroyed by the impending climate shift!
>Can you provide evidence of this?
>OMG YOU DONT EVEN BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE 99% OF SCIENTISTS DISAGREE WITH YOU STUPID CONSERVATIVES
>Ok, I guess not

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>>128243358
>>128243842

>>128243842
Yes. I was under the assumption your argument was against the notion that there were countries that were 100% renewable. I agree that it comes at a ludicrous cost.

>We need to protect the environment!
>Shut down coal factories!
>Replace them with gigantic wind turbines that absolutely FUCKING OBLITERATE the surrounding areas and solar panel farms that create literal solar death rays that FUCKING OBLITERATE local wildlife and are horrifically inefficient!
>Nuclear power? Muh Fukushima and Chernobyl! I saw The Simpsons, nuclear power is bad!

As much as I enjoy early seasons of The Simpsons, that show set western culture so far back on nuclear power when it's really the best option we have right now.

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>>128243583
sorry m8, that error always triggers me to no end.

>>128244073
shit, I thought this information was in a nice image. didn't need to waste two posts since I could have just linked it there
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/power-plants/
tl;dr is that hydro is really efficient

>>128244346
Remember to archive. Thank you.

>https://washingtonpost com/graphics/national/power-plants
https://archive.is/NbWmp

>>128243252
>"renewables"
>solar panels made of luxury resources
>expensive wind turbines with short operating lifetimes relative to nuclear plants
>"but Denmark is wind-powered, they did it for like a week when it was pretty windy!"

>>128244102

No I was saying that it is possible, but a detriment because it is uneconomical, since it ends up being a government monopoly.

>>128243311
No, it's not. I was pointing out how funny it was because it's trying to shit on right wingers even though there are many who want those things. The funnier thing is the self righteous leftist who made that comic probably wants open borders so people from the third world who dedicate publicly and litter everywhere.

>>128244365
you lose functionality with that specific article if you archive it though

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>>128234547
>Multiple industrial revolutions?
Bingo

>>128235549
Just Brockpuppets with new up-training. Same ol', same ol'. Sage and hide and report. They contribute nothing to this site nor our discourse.

>>128236821
But he didn't. The Aussie >>128241238 already succinctly told you:
>correlation doesn't equal causation my dude.
>>128240821 Japan told you bluntly you are using variables from a wildly fluctuating set. Too much emphasis on a "spike" not enough on history.
And that's the Science behind it. Ignoring all this why don't you just follow the money? Who profits from all of this global warming/green energy?

When can we kill all mouthbreathing Conservashits

>>128229822
Literally

Conservatives are some of the most stubborn idiots I've ever seen

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>>128244934
With what? Those guns you don't have?

>>128234071
Question, what happens to you leafs in 500 years when that graph goes on the downtrend?

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>>128241166
>When the globalist policies of these same climate accord retards cause international related shipping pollution to skyrocket

>>128245144
We probably undergo some sort of cryogenic freeze until the temperature rises again. Then, the Eternal Leaf emerges from the ice.

>Trump is super polite and respectful in middle east
>suddenly changes attitude in europe and goes full retard on the climate change summit
really sad

>>128234435
Let me tell you, even if I were to believe that climate change was a terrible apocalyptic threat to the future of "humanity" I would still not want to do anything about it. In fact I would be more adamant about not doing anything. Because the future that the western neoliberal elites are creating is one where niggers and mongrels will inherit our cities and homes and I would much rather prefer an apocalyptic end to such a disgusting future than do anything to stop it. If the white race perishes, I would rather take all life on earth with me.

But alas, I seriously doubt climate change will do anything but create minor issues here and there. Additionally I think that the pace at which we will be able to tackle those problems will grow much faster than the pace at which those problems will arise.

>>128242985
>enery
>looses

fucking hell, every time some anon edits an image there is always a few obvious spelling mistakes, EVERY FUCKING TIME

are you all illiterate or some shit?

>>128245352
You deserve it. Western Europe has gone full cuck.

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>>128245677
>You

>>128245352
>Arabs give us over $500 billion in deals
>Euros won't even pay their 2%

fuck you, pay denbts

>>128229822
>(((better world)))

>>128244157
How do wind wheels OBLITERATE the environment. Do you have brain damage

>>128229822
It's not much to stop any plans to ensure the future of the planet for White children. It's about stopping the Jews from monetizing it and implementing yet another nefarious plan to fuck the goys over with (like banking). It's about making the Chinks and the Poos sacrifice too and not this lopsided deal where the Western world cuts emissions and suffers while those subhumans continue to destroy the planet negating anything Whites do. It's about destroying the liberals pushing this because they get shekels from the Jew and aren't really concerned about climate change.

A renegotiation of the treaty that fucks over those who deserve to get fucked (Jews, Chinks, Poos, and lefties) may get Trump and the US back. Anything less than that is unacceptable.

>>128244503
But according to the thread most right wingers, or at least the americans dont want any of it because it costs money.

>>128229822
Your plan is like cutting down a tree with a butter knife. Get a better idea before you ask for attention again

>>128237390
this

>>128240667
>Cripple Arabs and Russia
Well, that's the goal along with preserving the planet for future generations (yes, even subhuman non-White scum), but the Paris treaty isn't the answer, especially if it does nothing but create another Jewish scam for them to generate shekels and control over us.

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>What if it's all a big hoax and we destroy an industry, putting millions of people out of work, and waste billions of dollars on pyramid scheme alternative energy sources for nothing?

>>128242985
>millions of Africans die
So it's not all bad

>>128246281
It's more or less the pathological individualistic attitude Americans have that has played a big part in the suffering of America as a white country. They will eventually grow out of their NeoCohen/ Lolberg phase.

>>128247919
except for the fact that the bleeding heart neolibs won't let that happen so we'll have to open our borders even more to save them.

Let me be perfectly clear when I say, FUCK RAINFORESTS.

Everything else is fine.

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>>128234071
>He thinks he found something in his spare time that the scientists didn't

>>128235852
Much better!

>>128229822
I'm polluting even more thanks to you OP. Post again and I'll create a forest fire.

>>128245352
>cuck Europeans get treated like the beta faggots they are

Wow really sad

>>128229822
>create a better world for nothing

More like:

>Line the pockets of the elite with the precious wages of the middle class while at the same time hardly making a dent in pollution while taxing carbon, one of the most abundant elements in the universe.

>>128234241
The industrial revolution was actually a pretty small occurrence in relation to the production of greenhouse gases. It is true that during the industrial revolution, occurring in select few countries on wide enough scales to matter, temperatures increased. What is interesting about those who believe there is a correlation between industrialization and global temperature is that when industrialization occurred for the rest of the world and when the already developed first world began pumping out more and more products, temperature decreased. Funny, how the industrial revolution is the cause of global warming, but when the industrial revolution is seen on a scale one hundred times larger throughout the entire world (India and China particularly), and the data shows that temperature is decreasing, then climate change fanatics ignore it.

The industrial boom that occurred after WWII was far greater and far more wide-spread than that of the late 19th century, and temperature data of the period between 1950-1975 directly conflicts the narrative you're pushing.

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>>128237691
Thank you anon. Can verify as a student four-years into a bachelors in Metallurgical Engineering. Steel is what put us ahead of the Europoors. The Natives achieved copper smelting at best leaving all the easy coal and iron sources (that the Europoors already depleted in their own countries) for us to become a manufacturing and military powerhouse. It was our steel in WW I and II that turned the tides even before we directly entered. It was our ability to provide our allies with good steel as fast as possible that pulled us out of our great depression. It'll be our inability to compete with China's low quality steel as they dodge tariff after tariff that will be a direct key to our country's decline.

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>>128239112
>mfw anon ignores the Permian Extinction
I mean, fucking Siberian Traps anon
If we could wipe 95% of the biomass (which seems incredibly unlikely) I'd be more impressed than anything

Delicious Sauce: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121018141844.htm

Liberals are always bitching about us using "unclean energy" but are unwilling to make the change to Nuclear energy. I'm not going to take them seriously until they take themselves seriously.

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>>128250041

We? Pars deal for is globalist communism, take from evironmentally regulated first world economies and give to China and India...

>>128229822
It's wasted money

And besides I despise the future generations. They do not deserve one ounce of help.

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>>128229822