Prove this wrong, /pol/. Protip: you can't. >Pagancucks btfo

>>128207980
There is no doubt in my mind that the Catholic church had a major role in the development of Western civilization, but I believe that is due to its racial composition rather than its theology.
Western civilization would exist with and without Christianity.

>>128209321
>but I believe that is due to its racial composition rather than its theology.

explain more, please

>>128209601
I mean that a white Christian organization excelled because it was white, not because it was Christian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03KXFMyru8E

Ep 1: Dr Thomas Woods: The Catholic Church - Builder of Civilization

yes I am erect

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>>128209776
What if they were white Muslims? Or Jews

bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4pPLwAL_Qo

>>128207980
They restricted science. Even Galileo was put under house arrest. Why Protestant Europe is so far ahead of pastanigger Europe.

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>>128209321
Thomas Woods mentions the importance of monasteries, something that protestants don't believe, they believe monks shouldn't exist at all

>>128210168
>didn't read the book

sort yourself out

>>128207980
>get civilisation from romans
>WE WUZ BUILDERS AN SHIET

>>128210168
>Why Protestant Europe is so far ahead of pastanigger Europe.
You mean working 80 hours a week and giving all that money to the Jew? HAHAHAHAHA

>>128210449
>jew in ornate hat is no longer a jew

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>>128207980
I give the Cuckolicks props for making western cuvilization BUT they're cinplete fucking heretics

>>128207980
>how the Catholic church built western civilization
But western civilization existed long before Christianity.

>>128209321
MUH THE WHITE RACE IS GOD

>>128209776
>>128209321
Considering gaythiests are destroying the west. No

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>>128211001
>gaythiests
what is this retarded buzzword. Can you not spell 'theist' correctly

>>128210054
I won't rule out that religion is a factor, but I think the race is a larger factor.
I don't think there is anything in Islam or Judaism that would make them particularly worse religions for organizing white people than Christianity.
I'd like to compare it to Christians of any other race. Note how only white people have excelled as Christians.

>>128210338
Monasteries work well as an early form of universities, but they suffer from a flaw which I don't believe can be overlooked. If priests and monks are among the most educated people in Europe, it can only hurt Europe to prevent them from having families.

>>128211166
>Note how only white people have excelled as Christians.

I don't understand what this means. Like, practicing the faith in general, or creating stuff in the name of God

Also,
>I won't rule out that religion is a factor, but I think the race is a larger factor.

Is contradictory to
>>128209321
>but I believe that is due to its racial composition rather than its theology

So what is it

You need to read "Hagarism: The making of the Islamic World" published in 1977

The jews invented christianity to pacify whites
then they invented islamism to destroy christianity.

Read the book, it will blow your mind. It was a gigantic redpill before anyone ever thought of the word. It is written by well respected historians, it is well researched, and backed by fact not bullshit.

Basically the jews had sided with invaders to help destroy christianity, and christiandom had been pushed all the way back to constantinople. But the christians retook all they had lost, and when they did they genocided jews ruthlessly as the traitors they were.
The jews driven into the arabian peninsula begin thier mind tricks with the arabs and invent Islam in its earliest forms to wage war against christians.

>>128210414
>romans
>civilization
Lel

>>128210961
>muh
That's very close to my argument. The white race is supreme no matter the religion it follows.

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>Protestcuck

>>128211166
>>128211166
> Islam
Islam is anti intellectual, while its true they have a brief golden age they turned their back on Intellectualism when they came across Aristotle. Look up Al Ghazali, Thomas Woods even talks about him, the leading Islamic philosopher of his time. He basically declared Aristotle to be heresy because Aristotle says the world is fixed but Muslims believe Allah wills everything to be as it is.

>>128211166
>Judaism
This doesn't make sense at all because Judaism is a religion exclusive to a certain group hence whites people can't be a part of it

>>128211542
I see how my original post implied that I meant the Christian religion had no impact whatsoever, but that's not what I believe. I'm sorry to have misrepresented myself and I hope my second post
>>128211166
made my beliefs more clear.

>>128211166
The greatest achievement of Christianity is the placement of decisions on morality on a completely external source while not keeping Man slaves to God. Modernist thinking destroys the first part, Muslims destroy the second.

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>>128207980
They're actively trying to dismantle it right now.
>BergoglioKissingMigrantFeet.jpg

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>>128207980
Dark Ages

>muh science
>Muh ebil Catholics suppressing science
>Finally le freedumb from religion
>Look up who founded every single elite European university
>...

Fedoras and pagancucks can't refute fhis

>>128212073
that photo is a fucking meme lol

>>128211881
I think Islam's anti intellectualism is more based on its followers than its theology. Christianity doesn't really encourage intellectualism, but the white Christians are curious people.
As for the Judaism part, he asked if it would be different had they been white Muslims or Jews. I assumed he meant white converts to Judaism.

>>128212073
soooooo you're saying I should what....I should have x ray vision implants and rocket boots if that didn't happen?

>>128211944
>placement of decisions on morality on a completely external source
Okay
>while not keeping Man slaves to God
I don't see how Christianity does this. I won't say that Christianity has man as a slave to God, but it does have men act as sheep to God.

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>>128212073
>that pic

>>128209321

Actually, athiestfag here but, if I understand correctly they preserved a lot of knowledge throughout the wars as a neutral party generally speaking and also, ironically to today's day and age, advanced science quite considerably.

While, racial composition isn't wrong perhaps, it might be the very theology which made it the sacred lamb not to be attacked, allowing it to do such things unimpeded.

>>128210168
Galileo was at odds with other scientists of his day and while he was right, his support for it at the time was not adequate. So he was right, but for the wrong reasons, and was persecuted because he called the Pope a faggot and took a metaphorical shit on his desk when the church didn't kneel before his then-not-yet-adequately-supported conclusions.

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>>128207980
Catholicism wasn't a prevailing theology in the US until well after we were number 1
In fact during most of the rise of the US Catholicism wasn't popular at all

>>128212356
>Christianity doesn't really encourage intellectualism
But that's not true, maybe Protestantism but not Catholicism, the Catholic Church never turned its back against science and intellectualism. I should have mention St. Thomas Aquinas in my previous post. He was accused by Martin Luther and others as reading too much Aristotle but Aquinas never forgot Christ, once, and he mended together faith and reason. Catholics believe faith and reason should never contradict but compare that to Muslims who think reason threatens faith

>>128212639
Paganfag here and the neutral party is an interesting perspective, but I imagine the church would lose its neutral position during the wars between Protestants and Catholics.

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Stop it.

>>128207980
im glad they helped build it, but that doesn't mean religion can't be proven wrong and disowned. seniority doesn't take priority everywhere. just because it was here first does not give it a right to always be there. it's like 4chan. just because weebs built this shithole, doesn't mean they belong on every board.

>>128212527
God is superior to Man. You need this to have the first part of what I said. However, God is seen as a companion, a father, a friend. That's not what happens in Islam. There, he's your master.

>>128207980
The greeks are responsible for western civilization. So called christian ethics and values are nothing more than greek philosophy repackaged with a jewish religion label.

>>128207980
Christianity itself was responsible for Western Civilization, the "Catholic Church" is just the corrupt side, wearing the cloak of holiness, but having none of the substance.

>>128213259
god isn't real dumbass

>>128212912
I deeply admire St. Thomas Aquinas. I'll agree that the Catholic church put an emphasis on intellectualism, but I don't think there's anything in the Christian theology that expressly encourages one to study the world.
The Orthodox churches aren't especially scientific, but their theology is very similar.

>>128210168
>le Galileo argument
At least you didn't mention the Inquisition

>>128207980
Western Civilization was pretty terrible until protestant Europe started running countries.
>Europe was poorer as a whole and per capita than China, the Middle East, and India during the middle ages
>Europe severely lagged in cultural and technological innovations to those in China, the Middle East, and India during the middle ages

Europe was shit until Protestantism brought it into its 16th century though 20th century golden age

>>128213067
Meant for the general shitshow that was parts of European warfare.

>>128213301
That's not relevant to the discussion.
>>128213259
I'd argue otherwise about Christianity's view on man's relation to God. God's authority is quite intense in Christianity and the punishment for not obeying him is severe. That seems comparable to the master perspective in Islam.
I'd actually say that the Pagan view on the gods is more similar to a friend or a father relationship than Christianity. The gods don't punish Pagans for not worshiping them.

>>128209321
The West would not have achieved what it did without Christianity.

>>128209601
white people are good at inventing stuff regardless of what god they pray to

>>128213516
>Europe was poorer as a whole and per capita than China, the Middle East, and India during the middle ages
>Europe severely lagged in cultural and technological innovations to those in China, the Middle East, and India during the middle ages
I think that has more to do with the Muslims halting Europe's ability to interact with the rest of the world.

>>128207980
Catlocics fuxked up when they let the boys get raped. And what the fuck is up with that? Aren't girls better? IDK.

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>>128213914
>the West would not be a failing, degenerate mass of corruption without Christianity

>>128213914
I have more faith in white people than that.

You dumb faggots. Catholicism didn't create Western Civilization, it IS Western Civilization. The two are inseparable.

> Muh Catholicism is only good because it was whites

Yes! No shit! Catholicism is the cultural and religious expression of white Europeans! The two are inseparable! Catholicism IS Europe!

This idea that these things are separable is just Marxist deconstruction. You can't even view your own past and heritage except through the deconstructionist lens. Western Civ, Catholicism, Whiteness, European, all these terms are the same thing. They aren't distinct components. They are each intertwined causes and effects of each other.

People who say that Catholicism isn't Christianity,or that it's not true Christianity, are correct. It is the Christianity of Europe, of Whites, of whatever you want to call it. The romans took some reformed Judaism and ran with it for awhile, making it theirs. Then Europeans picked it up from them, merged it with their own culture, an developed it further. And that shared religion and culture built Europe. And when it was shattered in the Reformation, so was Europe. And it's been all downhill since. All the bullshit that's followed, from French Revolution to Marxism to Communism to modern SJW bullshit is all downstream of the original fracturing of the Europe worldview in the Reformation. It opened the gates to moral relativism that we've been suffering under in one form or another since.

>>128214109

>Christianity would not exist if the West was not a failing, degenerate mass of corruption

>>128214348
>the Dark Ages never happened, and the fall of Rome had nothing to do with Christianity, and the horrendously lessened quality of life for Europeans at the time had nothing to do with the church's barbaric practices
You worship a literal dead kike on a stick, and you call yourself European?

>>128211848

>tfw CoE Protestant
>tfw agree with the one the left.

I've always been taught to read the bible metaphorically, not literally. To find deeper meaning within the scriptures.

>>128214330
>Catholicism is the cultural and religious expression of white Europeans!
Yet it hinges on worshiping a nonwhite, nonEuropean god?

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>>128214330
this

>>128214590

Rome never fell

>>128214330
>You dumb faggots. Catholicism didn't create Western Civilization, it IS Western Civilization.

Western civilization existed before Christianity. Now take your hillbilly autism to a library.

>>128214813
That's a controversial opinion. How do you defend it?

>>128213698
Paganism does not guarantee the first part, though, as it has gods not God; or rather, its gods are beings among the universe just like humans, and are most often used as alternatives to scientific explanations.

Fathers do punish their children. Also, most importantly, it is often considered that sinners themselves go willingly to hell, whether they realize it or not. The saying is that the door to hell is closed from within.

>>128207980
>Jew religion built "Western civilization"
>"Western civilization" which has created communism, feminism, multiculturalism, globalism and valued equality

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>>128210338

>>128214907

why is it controversial?

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>>128214738

>Said by the country formed by a bunch of Protestants who thought European Protestantism wasn't going far enough.

Come home, Anglo man.

>>128214330
You're absolutely correct.

That's why traditional Catholicism is the last line of defense of Western Civilization.

>>128209776
why not both?
there is a very distinct difference in the three faiths
we are fallen, messiah is coming
we are fallen, messiah was here and restored us
we are fallen, no messiahs

>>128214813
>christcucks denying history
Not surprising, go lick some Arab feet now.

>>128215318

>meme reply

surely you can do better

>>128209321
I think you are half right, but I think it was a combination of Whites and being Christian.

That way even shitty white people were still decent and worked.

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>>128215419
>"rome never fell"
>p-please give me serious replies

>>128215558

you are as dogs

you see the flag and immediately your thoughts go to arabs and dicks

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>>128207980
>We Wuz catholic edition
Nice try cathocucks

>>128215521
I think Paganism would just lower the number of shitty white people.

>>128212892
We're talking about who built "Western Civilization" not the kike'd out garbage that Americans built in the modern day

>>128209776
Thats a very sound argument

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>>128207980
>How the Lutheran Church Built Civilization

ftfy

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>>128215644
Do you deny it? You already deny history, you deny making an actual rebuttals to my arguments, and now you accuse me of being a homosexual.
Your religion is a joke, historically it has weakened Europe in many ways and prevented it from reaching its full potential.
Christianity is just altered Judaism, it is a foreign desert religion. The only good parts of it are the parts it stole from European "paganism," which at the time was just European culture and soul.

Any more sandnigger verses to quote?

>>128207980
>Prove this wrong, /pol/. Protip: you can't.
Why would I want to try to prove that wrong? It ISN'T wrong.

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hello my name is smith
Can i interest you in a set of magic pants you get a free pass for the mothership and preferential access to u.s federal government employment plus you get to have sex with your daughter (s)

>>128215984

but if i reply in earnest to you we both become the I AM SILLY comic

>>128215984
>t. triggered pagcuck

Go play pokemon, David

>>128210605
>Poland flag
>Against papacy

What manner of creature are you, sir?

I mean, I can understand being against the current pope who wants to crash and burn the church, but in general

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>>128216166
>"stop using meme replies"
>"but I will continue to use meme replies
If only you knew how semitic you really are.
>>128216176
Another christcuck babbling to himself? Pathetic.

>>128215769
Not really possible with the bell curve.

Generally, people are shit cuz of their low IQs.

What would be better is if White people acted more like Jews actually. The kikes make sure the smartest and most productive of their kind have the most kids. Whites don't do that and they should.

The Jews built western civilizations. Then, the Roman cucks took what they brought them and distorted the New Testament to invent the Cuckoldic church and claim to have invented civilization. They're literal niggers.

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>>128212850
>his support for it at the time was not adequate

Who told you that shit? Vatican pedophiles? Galileo proved it. He proved it and wrote it all down in a book. The book that your church burned. You christian barbarians should try reading books instead of burning them.

>>128207980
While the Catholic Church had a major role in the development of Western civilization, wasn't the Protestants that liberated the arts and the sciences, created the first public educational institutions and created the cultural and economical enviroment that paved the way for capitalism?

>>128209321
While racial homogeneity surely had a role in the armony of the western civilization, there are no reasons to believe that race was more important than religion in the construction of this civilization.
On the contrary, theology forms cosmological stances in the minds of people, which greately affects their morals and overall way of thinking. Religion greately determines the nature of a civilization. Therefore, I'm sure that western civilization would never beem this sucessfull whitout christianity.

>>128212527
basically, free will

Though I think free will vs. god's ability to plan everything out and have it move according to his plan was a major debate for a long time (I'm not sure it ever finished)

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>>128215885
Based Luther

>>128216322
Then we should be especially weary of Christianity as it prevented the smartest and most productive whites from having children as priests and monks.

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>>128216640
The jews built western civilizations like tapeworms built intestines.

>>128216660
>there are no reasons to believe that race was more important than religion in the construction of this civilization
Then why do the nonwhite Christian societies pale in comparison to the white Christian societies? Ethiopia was Christian far longer than Scandinavia, yet Northern Europe is far more advanced.

>>128211544
>The jews invented christianity to pacify whites then they invented islamism to destroy christianity.
Anyone who believes this is retarded.

>>128210168
>>128212850
>>128216646
That was the Jesuits. Never trust the Jesuits. Guess who the current Pope is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Controversy_over_comets_and_The_Assayer

>>128207980
>implying that catholicism is not just european christianity mixed in with european paganism

>>128214737
The Father, The son, and The Holy Spirit have existed for eternity before humans were created.

>>128212474
Those technologies aren't necessarily indicators of scientific advancement because they lack practicality. In any case, they will most likely be available by the end of this century. You have proven nothing.

>>128217263
>european christianity
European christianity is just arab religion mixed with stolen paganism. It is the spiritual equivalent of an Arab raping a white woman.

>>128217383
>according to sandniggers, their gods are the best

>>128217383
Prove it.

>>128217120
>Ethiopia was Christian far longer than Scandinavia, yet Northern Europe is far more adv
I'm not saying race doesn't matter (it does) but Scandinavia lagged behind western Europe technologically until the last century.

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>>128216660
You are correct in that Protestantism did allow for the increasing movement towards usury that was previously forbidden in Christendom, that was then catalytic to the conception of the 'Nation State'; the Church lost out to credit.
The Catholic Church had established universities well before Protestantism

>>128216315

>If only you knew how semitic you really are.

nice meme... again

>>128216781
Priests and monks could have kids

Monks aren't born and bred in a monastery, they can have a life outside before going monastic

>>128217383
Well having that belief hinges entirely on whether you're a Christian already or not.

>>128217774
It's not a meme, you christcuck. Jesus was a Jew, Christianity is an Abrahamic faith. It is semitic.

>>128217467
European Christianity is just paganim mixed with stolen arab religion. It is the spiritual equivalent or pillaging the middle east

>>128218021
Becoming monastic means they won't be able to pass their monastic education onto their children.

>>128209321
fpbp
>>128211001
>(((gaytheists)))
You worship these people as god, better show them the respect you think they deserve.

>>128218316
I find it funny that the same people who claim the Ancient Eqyptians were white reject the idea that Jesus is white.

>>128218316
Jesus was an anti-Semitic jew

>>128217716
well the catholic church did give birth to universities in the first place, so there's that

Europeans were discovering the Americas before protestantism began, though it was a close thing (20-30 years or so)

>>128218328
>stolen arab religion
? Study history.
All Christians wanted to do was pillage the middle east, a land that Europeans had no real connection to. Even the Romans left it alone, considering their imperial conquests they were fairly benevolent rulers. Christians murdered each other and pagans for centuries specifically over religion, while there is little to no record of European pagans murdering each other over religious disputes.
>>128218384
They pass "other things" onto children.

>>128218384
Wasn't said education largely theological and thus not useful for the technological/productive development or the region?

I think monks shared whatever discoveries they made about agriculture, but that's another thing entirely

>>128217120
Race simply cannot be the answer to every manifestation of European culture/societies. The culture of the English-speaking peoples particularly is a mix of both, one influencing the other. However, the success of one has critically depended on the other (Christianity), as history as demonstrated.

>>128211001

>Gaytheist

Considering Christians kneel down in front of the chiseled abs of a Jewish middle eastern man to receive his fluids on their tongue....

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>>128218600
I have never once claimed the ancient Egyptians were white, although they certainly weren't as brown as you probably think.
>>128218601
His opinion of the current Jewish leadership of his time is irrelevant. He pronounced himself King of Jews, not King of All People. He spokes specifically to Jews and the other Arab peoples, and had little to no real opinion on European pagans. His Jewish followers then spread his fairy tales around the globe, for fools and traitors like you to believe in.

>>128218622
>All Christians wanted to do was pillage the middle east
Elaborate

>>128218601

So was Mohammed (PBUH)

Are you going to convert to Islam now?

>>128207980
>page 1
>take everything the Greeks did, and put a twist on it
>page 2
>make up things in religion and profit
the end

>>128209922

The video starts with him bitching and whining against freedom of speech. He bashes Dawkins and Harris without refuting one word they ever said. He says that the "middle ages" were great, but completely fails to mention anything great about it. He considers charity a good thing and shows whites feeding blacks. He says that rights, economics and science were invented by the Catholic church, but shows no evidence whatsoever. All he does is just name drops historians that agree with him. Like the typical /pol/ christian. Fuck you for wasting my time.

>>128212073
Euro dark age was Muslim golden age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwXtTwNvWXc

>>128218924
Jesus did not 'pronounce himself' King of the Jews, that is incorrect. The Lord’s covenant with Abraham and the covenant promises pertain to all who have the same faith as Abraham.
Followers (gentiles included) “‘will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven’” (Matt. 8:11).

>>128207980
The catholic church build macedonia? The church built ancient greece? The church built the roman republic and then empire?
No, fuck you.

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>>128218962
The Crusades! Are all Christians THIS stupid?
>>128219171
based aussie

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>>128218924
Jesus is the decendant of people who had red and blonde hair according to the bible.
The idea that the Jews want whites to be Christians is utterly retarded. Jews were expelled countless times by Christian countries. hollywoodis anti Christian and run by Jews.

>>128215521
This, essentially. Christian parts of Africa are shitholes too. Religion helps but it's nowhere near enough.

>>128219458
>Jesus is the decendant of people who had red and blonde hair according to the bible
Evidence for this is pretty sparce

>>128218622
The Middle East was the home of Christianity before it was forced out by Islamic imperialism. Cities like Antioch, Damascus, Constantinople, etc. were Christian cities. The crusades were an attempt to reclaim the lands that were stolen and dispossessed from Christians

>>128219344
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_King_of_the_Jews

>followers will come because those in Israel don't have as much faith
Seems like Jesus needed something to convince his followers. This reads exactly like the story of Muhammad, who was kicked out of Mecca and moved to Medina. Or whichever order. Should we not also be Muslim, because in the Quran it probably says something about non-Arab followers?

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>>128207980
>>128207980
>implying the enlightenment started pre-Luther
We'll have no more of your Roman popery around these parts you filithy potato fucker

>>128219414
That's not what the Crusades were.
That's a 'Dark Ages'-tier bit of bullshit

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>>128219458
Jews were expelled countless times by pagans too. Which is great considering how Jews weren't even allowed in most pagan regions. Christianity enabled Jews to rise up, and has not done anything substantial to stop them.

>>128219397
Do you even Gospel of John? The Church is the heir to Greek philosophical thought.

The Romans were good engineers, but mediocre intellectuals.

Rome and Greece were around long before the jew loving christfucks came.

saint thomas aquinas and augustine borrowed most of their thought from Helenism/paganism.

fin.

>>128211848
Sad truth. Modern day fundamentalism is degenerate as fuck.

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>>128219796
>"we must retake the holy land"
>"crusades were not about conquering the middle east"
>>128219678
And those territories were originally part of which pagan European Empire again?

>>128212073
kys faggot.

Religion keeps people spiritually enslaved. Some ancient texts can maybe expand your viewpoint but adhering to rules and dogma is really cucking yourself. There are so many things in and beyond this universe to explore, just how is talking about jesus 24/7 not cucking yourself

>>128216781
You are correct sadly. I think it's pretty idiotic.

>>128219862
You are saying Greec philosophy influenced the church? Likely, the religion was somewhat assimilated.
Point is a big part is missing from the statement "the church made western civilization great" it surely never managed to make places inhabited by subhumans great, because there's something missing there.

>>128219733
From what I read there, Jesus didn't declare himself King of the Jews

>>128220053
do they want to take back the holy land or pillage it?

>>128220080

Jesus just wants you to love your neighbor and be the very best you can be. Why do you hate that which is best?

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Did you know Buzz Aldrin had communion on the moon? But it was hushed up because an extremely butthurt atheist threatened to sue NASA.
>In the radio blackout, I opened the little plastic packages which contained the bread and the wine. I poured the wine into the chalice our church had given me. In the one-sixth gravity of the moon, the wine slowly curled and gracefully came up the side of the cup. Then I read the Scripture, ‘I am the vine, you are the branches. Whosoever abides in me will bring forth much fruit. Apart from me you can do nothing.’ I had intended to read my communion passage back to earth, but at the last minute [they] had requested that I not do this. NASA was already embroiled in a legal battle with Madelyn Murray O’Hare, the celebrated opponent of religion, over the Apollo 8 crew reading from Genesis while orbiting the moon at Christmas. I agreed reluctantly. …I ate the tiny Host and swallowed the wine. I gave thanks for the intelligence and spirit that had brought two young pilots to the Sea of Tranquility. It was interesting for me to think: the very first liquid ever poured on the moon, and the very first food eaten there, were the communion elements.

>>128220355
>Madelyn Murray O’Hare
What an evil fucking cunt.

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>>128220053
>Forgetting about the fact that Muslims raped and pillage their way from Arabia to across the Mediterranean slaughtering thousands of Christians over the long brutal years of Muslim rule

The Crusades were absolutely justified

>>128219733
>wiki link
I did not deny that Jesus was referred to as 'King of the Jews', I was saying that this was not a title he came up with and gave to himself.
>should we not also be Muslim, because in the Quran it probably says something about non-Arab followers

Christianity was received in Europe because our ancestors perceived it as having a theological and moral superiority to other faiths. It wasn't as arbitrary as 'fuck it, let's just abandon our pagan beliefs for the sake of it.'
It's interesting as well that only with the unprecedented mass migration of peoples into our countries that pose an existential threat to European culture, we have this obsession with race as the all important factor, a sentiment our ancestors would not have shared with us or would have been forced to share. I am not suggesting race is unimportant, but that it did not factor into what our ancestors saw as religious truth

>>128220238
What happens when you take something back? Were the Crusaders going to allow Mosques and whatever valuable goods the Muslims had just sit there?
Look at the 4th Crusade, Christians even pillaged each other.
>>128220151
But he was still known as one, and called King of Jews by others, including some of his own followers. Pedantics don't change anything.
>>128220349
Wow what a coincidence that a religious figure doesn't want his followers to kill themselves and mess up how his religion spreads. Christianity is foreign and a blight.

>>128218316

ok JFK

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>>128209321
>Western civilization would exist with and without Christianity.
>without Christianity.

just shows how naive some people on /pol/ are

>>128220053
Gr8 b8 m8. Really love the part where you neglected to mention most crusades where simply pilgramage and that any violence was provoked by Islamic imperial ambition and their inability to tolerate any trace of Christianity in the holy land.

>>128220355
>Did you know Buzz Aldrin had communion on the moon?

Buzz Aldrin ate bread and drank wine, unless there was a priest there to consecrate it

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>>128220442
>He and Armstrong had only been on the lunar surface for a few minutes when Aldrin made the following public statement: “This is the LM pilot. I’d like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours and to give thanks in his or her own way.” He then ended radio communication and there, on the silent surface of the moon, 250,000 miles from home, he read a verse from the Gospel of John, and he took communion.
>And of course, it’s interesting to think that some of the first words spoken on the moon were the words of Jesus Christ, who made the Earth and the moon — and Who, in the immortal words of Dante, is Himself the “Love that moves the Sun and other stars.”

I will forever hold this against the atheists, I'm fucking furious they undermined the magnificence of Mankind's first manned voyage to planetary bodies with their bullshit.
t. Agnostic

>>128220666
If paganism was worth a shit it would have survived.

>>128220787
It was consecrated beforehand, he took the materials prior blessed up on the mission after seeing if it was fine with the Church. It was fine.

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>>128207980
Rome built western civilization. Rome was built by Pagans.

>>128220882
thats pretty cool then, have any tried since him?

>>128220666
Well Satan, it kinda does matter then the claim was that:
>>128218924
>He pronounced himself King of Jews, not King of All People

Jesus was proclaimed King of the Jews. He did not pronounce himself King of the Jews

>>128220666
>Pedantics don't change anything

Of course it does, he either referred to himself as 'King of the Jews', implying that his faith was exclusively for Jews, or he didn't. What don't you understand?

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>>128220552
>he thinks the crusades did anything to stop that
>muh DEUS VULT xD
Absolutely cringeworthy. Most crusades were entirely ineffective in their goals of stopping Muslim invasions, and it is beyond obvious TODAY that they were failures since even more of what used to be white Europe is now brown Turkey. Christians were failures in stopping Islam, especially evident in how they did NOTHING to stop Moors invading Spain and Portugal.
>>128220603
>Christianity was received in Europe because our ancestors perceived it as having a theological and moral superiority to other faiths.
I cannot in good conscience accept that a white person believes this statement to be true. Only a fucking abbo could be this thick in the head.

Our pagan ancestors were murdered by Christians, who then demolished sacred pagan sites and built churches over them to prevent anyone from continuing to honor them. Christianity was not a benevolent faith, it was just as war-mongering as Islam. Now it is a weak faith that allows and encourages Islamic conquest, so that is at least one justice.

>we have this obsession with race as the all important factor, a sentiment our ancestors would not have shared with us or would have been forced to share.
Our ancestors did not have such a preoccupation with it because they were so obviously dominant that it would be redundant to care. Any works of literature that discussed it have likely been destroyed, lost, or covered up in order to discourage those thoughts today.
It is interesting to note how most Christians would prefer their daughter to procreate with a black Christian instead of a white non-Christian. It is a cuckold's faith, evidenced by Joseph... Jesus's "father."

>>128221001
No clue, I wonder how the religious on the NASA space programs go about their lives aboard the satellites and stations.
Its still very cool, and a massive fuck you to the Communists who wanted to quote from their books had they made it first.

>>128220774
I had paganism in mind, not atheism.

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>>128221119
>king of the Jews
>implies superiority to Jews
>hitler was right

>>128207980
Catholic Church is the second greatest threat to the west.

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>>128220847
It did "survive" you moron, Christians stole and appropriated pagan customs. Look at Christmas, not even Christ's real birthday. What a joke.
>>128221054
If you cared about the actual "satanism" in your own churches as much as you cared about a magic number, maybe Christianity wouldn't be such a failure.
>>128221119
>more pedantics
Jesus, King of the Jews, as he was called. It makes no real difference if your old book says he called himself that or not. People have called him the king of the Jews frequently enough that he is associated with it. If you don't understand how ideas and philosophies spread, there's not much I can do to help you.

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>Friendly reminder: Paganism is dead. Neo-Pagans are just anti-Christians who don't wont to be associated with Atheists.

>>128207980
Aye, the Church certainly approved of the raping and killing.

>>128221226
>I cannot in good conscience accept that a white person believes this statement to be true

Quite obviously Christianity prevailed over paganism, I don't understand what is in contention. That every Christian movement in Europe was created by force, no voluntary conversion? You are fucking stupid
You also make some distinction between 'our Pagan ancestors' and Christians, as if some of our ancestors weren't themselves Christian converts, which they all were inevitably.

>most Christians would prefer their daughter to procreate with a Black Christian instead of a white non-Christian

That is a good one burger. Keep playing make believe Vikings while the real relevant European culture is besieged on all sides

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>>128207980
>Prove this wrong, /pol/. Protip: you can't.

The Orthodox Byzantines built much of the foundation, actually.

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>>128221226
>>128221547

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>>128220774

That is not as gay as this. When will you christians take responsibility for your own christian degeneracy.

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>>128221787
>paganism is dead
>celebrates Christmas
>acknowledges the winter and summer solstices
>sings Yuletide carols
>says the word Thursday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday)

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>>128207980
>>128209321
>>128220959
Rome built civilization, but so did Babylon and China, who were non-whites.

Rome collapsed because of degeneracy. All civilizations have a life cycle with "expansion", "degeneracy" and "collapse" being the last three steps. What Christianity does it prevents "degeneracy" from occurring so the West was stuck in the expansion step, territorial expansion, economic expansion, all the good stuff we today call "progress".

I think that's what makes Christianity so precious, it is the only religion that prevents degeneracy while at the same time preaching love and universal morality. Christianity is what made the West so great before Christianity Italians and Greeks were on-par with everyone else in North Africa, Persia and China.

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>>128221547
>there are people shilling paganism

Catholics took a lot from the Pagans. I don't see why the two can't be if they just forget the northern crusades

>>128221547
The importance of my distinction is this. Either he, as you say, proclaimed himself 'King of the Jews', that implies that Christ's teachings are exclusively catered for Jews, which they are not. Or, he was referred to in a derogatory sense 'King of the Jews', by people who were themselves not Christians.

>>128222232
ooh so close

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>>128207980
DELETE THIS

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>>128212073
>not posting the full version

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>>128222140
>Not taking the symbols and traditions from conquered foes and making them your own.

You Neo-Pagans are more than welcome to do the sam- Oh right.

>>128222232
>prevents degeneracy
>the most degenerate countries are majority christian

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>>128222087
This meme makes no sense, I thought Christianity is a religion of peace and happiness? You are acknowledging the barbarism of Christians with this image.
>>128222246
>there are white people who shill for a Jewish religion
>>128222024
Are you seriously implying that "every" movement has to be forceful in order for the whole religion to be bad? You do realize there are people who voluntarily convert to Islam, right? By your logic, Islam should be allowed into Europe.
>as if some of our ancestors weren't themselves Christian converts, which they all were inevitably.
It will be really funny when our grandkids will be saying "as if some of our ancestors weren't themselves Muslim converts, which they all were inevitably."
Congrats, white people who believed in a foreign, Jewish faith massacred the other white people and forced the survivors to convert. What a lovely religion, I might even go to mass on Sunday knowing this!
>That is a good one burger. Keep playing make believe Vikings while the real relevant European culture is besieged on all sides
Note that this anon did not make a rebuttal to my statement whatsoever, almost as if he has no actual response.
>>128222373
There is no relevant importance to the common believer. Do you have any actually arguments or are you just going to play more "he said, she said" word games and pretend you are intelligent?
>>128222684
By this logic, nobody should be a nationalist since Nationalist Hitler lost the war. Are you a Jewish globalist in addition to being a Jewish (Christian) universalist?

>>128221547
If I called Jesus 'King of the Nordcucks', would that make it anymore true?

>>128209321
>muh white race
You're pants on retarded.

This is the true redpill on Christianity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrea-8XANaw

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>>128222232
The Chinese methodologies enabled a stable cultural system just as well as Christianity.

>>128222140
>singling out Thursday
you're forgetting Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday

>>128222800
The most degenerate countries are secular christian you mean.
Compare the morality and political sensibilities of Sweden to Poland. You begin to understand.

>>128207980
>build civilization by managing not to destroy all pre-Christian literature
>renaissance is discovery of pre-Christian classics
Our architecture, law, scientific method, etc. all derive from non-Christian sources. Read a book m80

>>128207980
Catholics may have built Western civilization, but protestants made it literate. Try translating your book into languages people can understand next time, Latincuck.

t. m luther

>>128222522
>mfw this is closer to the truth than /pol/ can even comprehend
>>128222684
idk how you're falling back on the might makes right argument if you're not a Mohammedan. might as well go convert now, after all they're the fastest growing and most militant religion. and it's not as if the leaders of the US are christian, they're moloch-worshiping, child-fucking pagans. so if might makes right, christianity is wrong as can be.

>>128223021
have you ever been to poland? it's a degenerate shithole like every other slav country.
t. polak

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>>128222836
Nobody else calls him that, and nobody else proclaimed him as that. You're just a retard, I get it now.
>>128223015
>"paganism is dead"
>"okay it's not dead but there are... uh... more days of the week?"
Most have pagan roots as well.
>>128223021
Catholics are almost pagans themselves compared to the Christians that originally came to Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQCIxnkAtiI

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>>128209776
Cause as we all know all white people are geniuses! Get your head out of your bell curve ass. Without monotheism, and christianties encouragement to start the sciences, the white man would still be banging stones together. Christianity is what started, stored, and shared the knowledge that built the west.

>>128207980
>catholic church
>creating civilization
>not trying to destroy every other civilization
They even fucked up the slavic languages, even the goddamn language. Fuck those cucks. Orthodoxy gives more freedom at least, but it's abrahamic too=enemy of the real "western" civilization(greco-roman).

>>128223336
Wow I didn't realize the Greeks and Romans were Christians all along, was all that Greek and Roman mythology and religious thought just made up in the 1990s or something?

>>128223262
They look after their borders and tell the EU to fuck off.
Poland will be poor, but after a century of European migration, Poland will still be Polish.
There are far more important things in the world than wealth.

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>>128223187
Try not to discard canonical texts from the Scriptures if they're supposed to be inerrant, Protestcuck.

t. orthodoxy

>>128210168
Did you even read the book? Galileo had his chance to have his postings published but as a theory. He thought that he enough definitive proof, when he did not, and responded impatiently to the church's wishes to investigate further into the manner. Thus the church blocked him out entirely.

>>128222821
Christianity won the struggle for soul of Europe, through evangelisation and through coercion. This does not mean that 'ipso facto, because weaker ideas and faiths are vulnerable to stronger ones, that we should bend over and allow another external ideology to dominate and convert us'. The subversion of our societies by a materialistic atheism and cultural bolshevism is to blame for Islam's rise to prominence in our nations, not because we have remained to true to our Christian heritage.

>>128223332
You missed my point in entirely. I tried in vain to show you a subtle difference between calling yourself something and being called something by others.

>>128222821
>>there are white people who shill for a Jewish religion
i get you man but that's what happen
you are trying to save something degenerate
or same with liberals trying to save islam and muslims

they are fucking themselves up
we need to exterminate things, either you are right or wrong, go till the end
Christianity should have ended all pagans roots and wiped them out of the map
now we are paying for trying to be 'inclusive and permissive'

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>>128223615

>>128223763
>Islam won the struggle for soul of Europe, through conversion and through coercion. This does not mean that 'ipso facto, because weaker ideas and faiths are vulnerable to stronger ones, that we should bend over and allow another external ideology to dominate and convert us'. The subversion of our societies by a materialistic atheism and cultural bolshevism is to blame for (The next semitic religion to invade Europe)'s rise to prominence in our nations, not because we have remained to true to our Muslim heritage.
>>128223898
You missed my point entirely. I tried in vain to show you how such a subtle difference doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
>>128223947
Protestantism is, in many ways, Christianity with less pagan roots. And if you look at protestant European nations, they are the most secular and degenerate. Your argument does not really hold up.

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>>128216103
This is about as sophisticated as the "kike on a stick meme"

>>128214330
>You dumb faggots. Catholicism didn't create Western Civilization, it IS Western Civilization. The two are inseparable.
Implying we didn't get all of our civilization from Greece and Rome. Point to me one aspect of our society that required Christianity

>>128224128
>he still has no response for why he worships a kike on a stick
Pathetic, no wonder white Europe is dying away.

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More like destroyed western civilization. Rome in it's glory days was pagan, and Catholicism destroyed it.

>>128224125
>Protestantism is, in many ways, Christianity with less pagan roots.
that's my point, europeans are all catholics

>>128223985
Orthodoxy should be the religion of /pol/

>>128224232
Our modern justice system. BOOM. *mic drop*

>>128224362
>Jews destroy rome with the Bible
>muh romans atheist are superior
>???

>>128224409
Uh no. There were lawyers and courts in ancient Rome dipshit

>>128207980
Nearly every important scientific invention since coming out of the dark ages were by people who were going against the church, and were usually labeled heretics.

>>128224125
>>You missed my point entirely. I tried in vain to show you how such a subtle difference doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.


Your premise is wrong

>>128224125
You truly are a fucking mong. We have lived through centuries of liberalism (not the way you amerilards think of it), bolshevism, Talmudist subversion, and atheism and you claim to have the Church, which is struggling because of these to remain a potent force, is on equal footing with Islam in the cultural war. At least your beloved Pagan faggots weren't subjected to such internal decay before the true faith conquered you

>>128224355
I don't need a response to a non argument

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>>128224596

>>128224510
>romans
>atheists

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>>128207980
Catholicism is the first and last pill.

>>128224888
>superior

>>128224575
Oh I forgot to mention; Catholicism created the scientific method and there's been a steady stream of science since the first Catholic universities like Oxford and the university of Paris. Yup. Better believe it.

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>>128207980

>>128224596
And it happened during and after three renaissance. Renaissance means rebirth. Rebirth of what? GrecoRoman culture!

>>128223336
what a fucking shit comment, wrong in every damn word written. seriously kill yourself.

>>128225069

see
>>128225141

Also every one of my posts has been blessed by Thoth

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>>128225141
Do you KNOW what the Renaissance really was? It was part of the Catholic Church's "counter reformation", the protestants were iconoclast who viewed Catholic art as "idolatry" they rebelled across Europe and took over many churches, killing Catholics in the process, and destroying statues and altars to replaced them with pulpits The Catholic Church reaffirmed its belief that art is important to church and set out commissiong the greatest artist like Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Raphael , Bernini, etc. Why do you think the greatest art in the cannon of western history are religious in nature?

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>>128226240
pic related

First paragraph wikipedia bud, common knowledge

>The intellectual basis of the Renaissance was its own invented version of humanism, derived from the rediscovery of classical Greek philosophy, such as that of Protagoras, who said that "Man is the measure of all things." This new thinking became manifest in art, architecture, politics, science and literature.

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>>128226617
Boticelli was Catholic and the Renaissance was financed by Catholics

>>128207980
What is Rome for 300 alex.

>>128227197
Yes of course. That's incidental. Everyone in Italy was. Paganism was heresy and punishable by death. Many "Catholics" skirted that line narrowly. The fact is that Greek pagan culture being rediscovered was the renaissance. That isn't opinion, its fact.

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>>128227935
>incidental
Why would that be incentdal, it's not incidental that Islam destroys art not creates it. The art you make reflects the nation. Didn't anyonetell you that people are responsible for their actions?

>Muh oppresshun
Get over yourselves you persecuted Christians and plenty of other groups for 3 centuries. You are far from innocent not to meniont that THeodosius made paganism punishable by deaht in public, not private, and that there was no requirement to be a Christian. Atheists and other philospohical worldviews were excluded fromthis unless they were heretics

>>128223332
>Most have pagan roots as well.
my point was that every day of the is pagan in origin (Sun, Moon, Tyr, Woden, Thor, Freya and Saturn)

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>>128228344
If we have to consult concerning military affairs, the opinion of a man experienced in warfare should be waited for, and his counsel be followed; when the question concerns religion, think upon God. No one is injured because God is set before him. He keeps his own opinion. You do not compel a man against his will to worship what he dislikes. Let the same liberty be given to you, O Emperor, and let every one bear it with patience, if he cannot extort from the Emperor what he would take it ill if the Emperor desired to extort from him. A shuffling spirit is displeasing to the heathen themselves, for everyone ought freely to defend and maintain the faith and purpose of his own mind.

-Saint Ambrose who basically wrote the laws banning paganism. He was the mastermind behind it

>>128226617
Just because its on normiepedia doesn't mean it's right. "Humanism" began in the Catholic Church with its beliefs that salvation is for everyone and Christ is the "lord of all nations", In the eyes of God all men are equal. And the claim that the "rediscovery of Protagoras" kick started the renaissance sounds phoney

>>128228344
>Why would that be incentdal
Because it would not have happened without Greek pagans. Funny you bring up Islam, rookie mistake, Islam went through agolden age just before due to. .. wait for it. ..Greek paganism.

>oppression
The point was not muh oppression you dolt, its of course everyone is "Catholic" when you have to be Catholic or you die

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>>128207980
>Fag cult didn't parasite of Europeans
(Mossad), the paid Catholic shills, and the Paid Russian Orthodoxy shills push this... All of these groups = the Alt-Right meme.


The "elite" is code for Jews and their blackmailed sociopath pedophiles (Hillary's mom was a Jew). Because Jews run a child sex slave ring out of Ukraine/Israel and sometimes South America (see Hatti and Clintons) and use pedophiles as their boot-licking goy politicians/celebrities.

They use the symbolism of the occult because it's a marketing campaign to cover up for Zionist and Jewish Communist crimes/power moves. The occult became degenerate as fuck ever since Thelma (Alestor Crowley), Anton (((Levy))) of Hollywood Satanism, and Navy Intelligence groups took over the scene; although it was always a place for scam artists. Freemasons became corrupted after being bought out by Jews in the mid-1800s -- thanks to Napoleon emancipating the Jews and the Rothschild take over Britain with the fall of Napoleon (See Rothschild's run on the stocks after Battle of Waterloo)

Catholics and Russians are both pro-Communism and therefor cover for them too by telling you it's "Satanists" and not Jewish Communists and their Zionist mafia allies. This is something the John Birch Society did when re-inventing the "Illuminati" meme (see Alex Jones connection).

Moloch = word meaning KING (Assyrian)

Moloch propaganda = Jewish hate of enemy king, like they do to Assad

's'atan = Aramaic word meaning "adversary", any adversary, or many adversaries.

Satan the character = Catholic meme to demonize our ancestral gods and dumb down Bible references for stupid plebeian audiences.

Synagogue of Satan = Pro-Roman Jews. Jesus was a Zealot.

Lucifer = Morning Star
Jesus = Morning Star
Luciferians = Christian monks who pissed off the Pope

Judaism = pre-Christianity

Marxism/Communism = Post Christianity Judaism

Cultural Marxism = critical theory, aka strategy to demoralize the Jew's enemies.

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>>128228721
It was the Crusades that financed the renaissance. The fist crusade was around 1100AD the renaissance began in about 1200 AD so about a century to accumulate wealth from trade routes to the east.

>>128228800
muh pagans did everything. The renaissance invented new painting methods unkwown by the Greeks. The art you see in the Louvre and everywhere else features it being "in 3d" they developed what aritsts call "perspective" The glory of the Renaissance was far beyond what the Greeks could allow or wish for thanks to Venice and Rome. I won't deny that we got Greek sculptures from Greece sure. But it was the Christians that preseved those htings, ever heard of St Mark's Horses? Guess who took them to Constantinople from Deliphi? The Christians did. Gues who took them to Venice? Crusaders. Christians.

>Had to be catholic or die
Not true there were no forced Conversions. You had no longer be a pagan or a heretic. But there was no requirement to worship the Lord nor be baptized
read this this man wrote those laws

>>128228689
Also Greek paganism was extremely foul, as well as Roman paganism involving cannibalism, adultery (sacred prostituion) sacred Transsexuals (Cybele cult) and human sacrifice look up Mt Lykaoin, that was going on well ito the Greek Classical era and beyond

>>128228721
>KNOWING LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT THE RENAISSANCE.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Renaissance
>Renaissance, literally “rebirth,” the period in European civilization immediately following the Middle Ages and conventionally held to have been characterized by a surge of interest in Classical scholarship and values. The Renaissance also witnessed the discovery and exploration of new continents, the substitution of the Copernican for the Ptolemaic system of astronomy, the decline of the feudal system and the growth of commerce, and the invention or application of such potentially powerful innovations as paper, printing, the mariner’s compass, and gunpowder. To the scholars and thinkers of the day, however, it was primarily a time of the revival of Classical learning and wisdom after a long period of cultural decline and stagnation
And since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, I should tell you classical means Greek and Roman, you can follow the link on Brittanica if you don't believe me.

>>128229355
>Not true there were no forced Conversions. You had no longer be a pagan or a heretic. But there was no requirement to worship the Lord nor be baptized
You were born and baptized you dolt, it want about conversions, that applied to Jews

>>128229540
There was NO requirement under rule of law to be converted nor to worship ANY deity including the Lord. Paganism was banned ion penalty of death. But they did not have to be Christians. Because of this many pagan cults simply went undersgound, literally, in the city of Rome. or out into the country. even in Greece, Christian territory there were plenty of Pagancults. If you felt the heat and you didn't want to change you just left the city and plenty of themdid. Severalsenatorial families were still pagan at the collapse of the western half of the Roman Empire

>>128229355
>muh pagans did everything
Yes, now you get it.
You can not point to one thing that Christianity was fundamental in creating.

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>>128229802
I meant to do the greentext. Are you familiar with teh Eluesinian mysteries and infant cannibalism?

>>128229355
I wouldn't put the renaissance that's popularly known, the one in Italy, starting date at 1200 A.D. There was prior to that one the, Carolingian Renaissance, and the Renaissance of the 12th century. often known as the "High Medieval Age".

>Carolingian Renaissance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_Renaissance
>Renaissance of the 12th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_of_the_12th_century

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>>128229984
I forgot about the High Middle ages, I should include that next time thank you. I didn't realize people thought that was a renaissance. Great

>>128229902
The eleusinian mysteries had nothing to do with infant cannibalism and the cannibalism part you're referring to is Dionysus and its not literal. You eat the body of Jesus? Literally if you're Catholic

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>>128207980
Pagans are gross and their arguments are retarded. Christianity is the only true faith. All others (even our (((cousins))) ) must be washed away.

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>>128230200
You sure about that? Kore and Demeter have long had a association with cannibalism

>>128207980
helped to rebuild.

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>western civilization was nothing before Christia-

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>>128230122
I love the Medieval ages, fortunately historians and scholars are beginning to recognize its merits and hopefully, one day put the myth of the "dark ages" to rest.

>>128230338
>You sure about that?
Yes.

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>>128230200
>but it's JUST A STORY
Well here's how the whole Dionysos cannibalism meme came to be known. One Greek playwright went up to what they called Macadonia (northern Greece) several months up there he reported crazy women eating men and children, it was a backwaters. Afterwards he made a play about Dionysos making these same types of women crazy. The myth has persisted since then and no one denied his allegations. And they are older than classical greece for certain

>>128230517
>WE

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>>128230535
How do you feel about baskets anon? Are you afraid to look inside one? For the ritual ou were given a basket with a gift andwhatever you found you were supposed ot put it inside you.

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>>128230523
I agree Tolkein saw it that way

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>>128230600

stay salty christcuck

>worshiping a dead kike

>>128207980
Catholic church is pagan

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>>128230908
If paganismwas responsible for their glory days then why deny the glory of the Renaissance? Obviously Christians came up with their own new art techniques and advanced architecture faaar beyond paganism, Sculpturing skill was BETTER than in Greece.

THis was made in 1621 by Roman Catholics. This is better than what Greece had

>>128230597
>thinking the cult of dionysus wasnt known about for hundreds of years before a play

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IF the Roman Catholics were not worthy of the pagans glory days then they would have failed to repeat them. If they were not more worthy then they would have failed to exceed them.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

>>128231158

Europe was shaking off Christianity in the Renaissance in consequence of rediscovering pagan antiquity and pagan morality. Then the Reformation happened and it was all lost forever.

Do you even history?

>>128231158
>1621
literally 2000 years after and still juuuust a little bit better(comparing it to the ones that have been salvaged, a mere 0.5% if not lower). Someone would think that there would be higher technology and intellect after 2000 years, but that didn't happen, christianity happened.

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>>128231158
>Posting a sculpture of a Greek myth
Fantastic evidence anon.

>thinking ancient sculpture can't compete
Pic related

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>>128231752
Let every nation be responsible for their own deeds let them be responsible for the fruit of their own labor.

>>128210828
fucking checked
Nondenominational is the only truth

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>>128231158
>Sculpturing skill was BETTER than in Greece.

lol no

>>128213914
it was called Catholicism until 1550

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>>128231849
I don't know man there's nothing like this in the ancient repertoire and this art accrued in just decades and the ancients had 1000's of years too but they can't compete with the best of the renaissance like Bernini and others

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>>128214330
savage post anon

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>>128232110
It's garish, but Virgil did a nice job with the prose

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>>128214330
savage post anon!

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>>128232110
PAGANKEKS BTFO

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Catholics are better at being spoopy

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>>128232110
PAGANS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>128223985
This.

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Pagancucks don't have an apocolypse. Nordcucks don't count in Rome

>>128218832
Why are you so fucking gay?

>>128232714
I Will concede that point. Its something they do well. I'm out anons. Glory to Odin Isis Hekate and Apollo

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ok to be serious, pagans could never compete

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>>128232985
Thanks
You should know that Hektate sacrifices was always a puppy btw. She was a daughter of carrion.

>>128215772
Th-thanks...

>>128222246
Who is this semen deamon.

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10/10 would worship Jesus Christ under this chandelier

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>>128232824

HOW CAN CHRISTFAGS EVEN COMPETE