Is it wrong to be transgender? If so, why?

Jewish conspiracy to feminize the white race and prevent white men from breeding

>>128193951
Prove it. You sound like Alex Jones right now.

>>128194038
Just lurk more

it's not if you were created and designed to be that way.

>>128194038
You sound like a queer

>>128193654
Only if you are ugly.

>>128193654

It's an illness which only manifests itself during periods of societal decay. Those who wish to recover from it should look into "rebooting": www.yourbrainonporn.com

>>128193654
>what is a baphomet?

also sage

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>traps are ga-

>>128193654
Because pretending to be a gender they are not doesn't make themselves want to kill themselves less.

>>128194230
this

>>128194101
>>128194148
Nice proof there, friendos :^)

>>128193654
It's pointless. I feel that a lot of people want to be transgender because the ones who want to be female want to have attention and be beautiful. These things are both possible without being a woman, and needing attention to survive is a disorder.

On the other hand, people want to be men in order to be strong or to protect others. You can be a woman and still be strong, assertive, and protective.

Now with the liberals encouraging snowflakes to act like the opposite sex, we end up with lots of people cross dressing and getting surgery when they would've just been relatively unusual men and women in the past.

If you like cooking and fashion, and don't like sports, you're not a woman, you're just an unusual man, and that's fine if you're not some degenerate shoving it down other people's throats and believing you're a victim.

>>128194462
she looked better with normal sized tits

>>128194557
It's an advice

Being a tranny is disgusting. You know it, I know it. Take your shekles and go.

Nothing is wrong with it, people are just spitting reactionary opinions. If they actually thought about it, and tried to understand, they'd see it's absolutely fine. It's also not gay to be interested in a transgender person.

>>128193654
There is nothing wrong with it unless you are completely ugly and thus already disgusting, or if you are old.

>>128193654
Why? What the hell is "why" supposed to mean? If I showed you two apples, a red one and a green one, and I asked you which was red, and then I said, "WHY?" Wouldn't that be an idiotic thing to say? Red things are red because they're red-colored. Wrong things are wrong because they're wrong. What sort of explanation are you looking for?

>>128193654
The day you can grow a body, to your liking, and 'move' into it, then it won't be wrong. Until then, acting upon it is lying to yourself and others, while mutilating your flesh.

>>128194523
I don't know where this meme came from but I'm pretty sure entering the new age you're gonna want to kill yourself if not already.

>>128193654
No it's a mental disorder.

>>128193654

Transsexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV. Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/

About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789

Only 12% of boys who believe they are transsexuals still believe so when they are older. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194003

MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide. Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/

Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide. Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Most young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

65% of transsexual youth have seriously considered suicide within the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

>>128193654


37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

1 in 10 young transsexuals has attempted suicide more than three times in the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

Only 21% of transsexuals can sucessfully pass as the opposite gender. Source: http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_report_on_health.pdf#page=3

53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2016237

16% of transsexuals have been sent to jail or prison, compared to 2.7% of the general population. Source: http://www.avp.org/storage/documents/Training%20and%20TA%20Center/FORGE_Trans_People_Police_Incarceration_Facts.pdf

Gay and transgender students are half as likely to graduate high school as straight students. Source: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2010/06/21/7980/gay-

>>128193654
Yes because there are two genders and your chromosomes determine them, period.

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>>128196156
So how do these numbers prove being transgender is morally wrong?

its ultimate narcissism and malingering.

"alter your entire society and pay for my existence, recreation, and hormone pills or youre a bigot that is trying to bully me into suicide"

>>128193654
It's an illness it shouldn't be political

>>128193654
because it promotes white genocide

>>128196307
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” xd

>>128196126
>>128196156
You do realize they try to kill themselves because of transphobia and often being denied by their immediate family and friends, right?

>>128196422
>youre a bigot that is trying to bully me into suicide

but this happens and people pay for others to do this.

>>128193654
>Is it wrong to be transgender?
There's no such thing as transgender. There is male and there is female. That's it. It's called science, bitch.

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>>128193654
I don't believe in the whole "Jewish Conspiracy" thing in regard to this, but yes it is wrong, it is obviously a mental illness. Doctors don't tell the guy with schizophrenia that the people in his head are real, so why in the hell do we support these delusions and allow men to take retarded female hormones and get their dicks cut off instead of just having them go to therapy or something?

>>128196859
Prove it with sources.

>>128196859
might wanna try reading some science then buddy because it disagrees with you.

>>128193654
It's wrong to normalize it

>>128196926
Because in the 200 years of documentation we have on trans people, the only proven way to help them get better is for them to transition and be accepted by society. But of course, you're too busy posting memes to actually read any kind of scientific articles on the subject.

>>128194038
Regardless of whether its a jewish conspiracy, that's what's happening

>>128196752

If this were true, suicide rates would be lower in more tolerant countries, like Sweden; which is not the case. Nor does your explanation account for the fact that suicide rates are so high post-op, which is a change in the genitalia, and happens long after people reveal themselves as transsexuals. They kill themselves because, after having mutilated their bodies, under the illusion of the lie that it would make them happy, the same misery and sickness remains within them.

trans is gay

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>>128197079
It is a mental illness. When your body is clearly male, you have an x and a y chromosome, it is clearly unnatural to normalize this and pretend it isn't an abnormal thing. The increase in stupid shit like this is just obvious evidence of the degradation of society.

>>128197079

>>in the 200 years of documentation we have on trans people, the only proven way to help them get better is for them to transition and be accepted by society

"Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

What "200 years of documentation" are you talking about? This transgender insanity didn't take off until a few decades ago. The only accounts we hear of it before then involve mad and decadent Roman emperors like Elagabalus.

>>128193654
It is not wrong.

However, you have to acknowledge it is not a positive thing, in the sense that there is probably something wrong with you, either mentally or physically. If changing your sex helps in dealing with your illness, that's fine. Just don't expect other people to give you extra rights because of this.

>>128197466
In the future, please remember to archive. Thank you.
>https://theguardian com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
https://archive.is/gEj9S

>>128196957
If you've got a Y chromosome you're a male,
If you haven't got any you're a female

Yes extra chromosomes do happen, here are the most "common"
XXX = female
XXY = male
XYY = male
XXYY = male

>>128197477
Fuck, forgot to sage

>>128196589
I think it ends up being political because those of us who aren't off the deep end on both sides can recognize it is a mental illness, but then the question comes what to do about it. There is no cure for gender dysphoria, so typically the default choice is to just try to get their happiness quotient or whatever you would like to call it out of suicidal levels, to help cope with the illness. If that happens to be pretending to be a girl when you were born a man, boy am I glad I don't have that issue but enjoy I guess.

I don't really see why people get their panties up in a bunch about trannies past that.

>>128193654
>Is it wrong to be transgender?
No because it's impossible in the first place.

>>128197533
so is canada responsible for this "anti degeneracy" memegroup?

>>128197079
Maybe it would help schizophrenics too if they were "accepeted" by society. But frankly I don't care. It is not the responsibility of the 99.9% to bend over backwards and deny the most basic facts of reality to please the delusions of the 0.01%.

>>128197763
yes

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Trans person here.
Its a mental illness.
It shouldnt be normalised.
We should be trying to get a cure.
Most trans people share these views maybe bar the normalisation, but you wont find a trans person who doesnt think its a mental illness. If they dont then theyre a transtrender. We despise terfs, sjws and the lot. A lot of people seem to think we are some kind flag bearer to feminism but not all, in general we are more "redpilled" than most think. We, like /pol/ just have a major problem with shills diluting and falsley representing us.
/poltttt/ forever.

>>128194674
This. Especially after gay/lesbian relationships became normal. If you're a girly guy who likes to look pretty and get attention from boy just be a faggot. Same applies to a woman who wants to be strong, masculine, and fuck women.

>>128197918
thanks for telling me that.

>>128197763
You just proved how retarded you are. If anything canada is leading a pro-degeneracy group. But canada is not one person and I am here to tell you to kill yourself, faggot.

>>128193654
Is it wrong to be retarded? Mental illness is a tragedy.

>>128193654
Yes, it's wrong to want to cut your balls for the same reason why it's wrong to be transabled and want to cut your arm.

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>>128196932
So now you libfags literally no longer believe in chromosomes?

I see nothing wrong with someone wanting to be trangender, or identify as a caterpillar or a unicorn or a brony. Who gives a shit, they have their own communities and don't hurt anyone. Stop obsessing over this tiny percentage of the population. I swear you guys are secretly afraid to become gay. It's hilarious.

>inb4 ad hominem

>>128199090
This one will be fun to watch play out as lefties defend the choice of transabled people to mutilate themselves.

>>128196752
You obviously dont know what your talking about.
Being trans means having gender dysphoria, which makes a lot of people want to kill themselves.
Loads and more people have perfectly supportive friends, family and pass at a cis level still want to kill themselves. Because when it comes to mental illnesses Gender dysphoria invites more, like deppression and anxiety for example. All these combined witht he liklihood of being an uggo who looks like shit is going to mean theyre gonna want to die.

>>128199160
>I see nothing wrong with someone wanting to be trangender, or identify as a caterpillar or a unicorn or a brony.
Thanks because you don't give a fuck about what's true and what isn't. You aren't a unicorn, dog shit isn't chocolate, and Bruce Jenner is not a woman!

>>128199160
>not hurting anyone
Wrong. This tiny portion of the population expects the rest of society to cater to them such as paying for their hormones/surgery or suing a business for not being allowed to use the bathroom of the opposite sex. Not to mention normalizing this shit will lead to more people going trans and therefore more people attempting suicide. The normalization is hurting people.

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Trans rights are one of the only things I can agree with liberals on because I am transgender.

>>128198699
so who do you work for

>>128196932
Look, dorko, no one can "prove" anything for you. When people give you the advice to "lurk moar" it is for your own benefit. One day, when you do finally lurk enough to read moar and understand (i.e. proofs yourself, stupid bitch), you will look back on every shit shill post you made with terrible shame. They're trying to help you feel less of that shame. Out of love. Me? I don't give a fuck and hope you do the right thing and an hero yourself asap, trap nigger.

>>128199613
If you can be persauded or indoctrinated to become trans then your not trans.
The actual trans people have motivations from within themselves and not from outside sources.

>>128199891
>The actual trans people have motivations from within themselves and not from outside sources.

truth.

>>128199727
Sorry youve been roped into an association with degenerate communists. Stay strong friend.

>>128193654
>Is it wrong to be transgender?
There is no such thing. The belief that there is is a collective delusion.

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>>128200251
It sucks. I'll probably end up just killing myself even though I pass.

Being a tranny is so hypocritical. They preach tolerance, but their own definition of gender is so narrow and intolerant that they can't even include themselves in it.

>>128200536
No one cares.

>>128196732
Not the anon you're quoting, but that's a false equivalency and you know it.

>>128200536
>anime
>tranny
Please do the world a favour

>>128200864
That's why the other anon responded to me. Stop being edgy.

>>128199852
Justin Trudeau :^)

>>128200536
yes i totally believe this is an honest post and not a script

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>>128201130
Anime is ingrained into this website. Please don't try to change that.
>>128201211
Elaborate.

>>128201137
Kill yourself already

>>128201194
so why does the leaf have beef with me? he seems like one of the progressive types. seems quite odd.

>>128201056
i just posted it for the sake of being facetious

>>128199891
Are you talking about hermaphrodytes? They are literally the only people who are legitimately trans from "internal forces".

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>>128200536
>Even though I pass
FUCKING NORMIE.
>>tfw never pass.

h..hey anons, i'm transgender and i have my pills here.
if you tell me to not take them i wont. but i'm also type 1 diabetic and so i won't take those insulin shots either.

which do i do /pol/?

>>128199891
Telling children in elementary school and earlier that they can choose their gender is planting the idea in their head.

>>128193654
Yes of course its wrong, there is no trans gender, you're just a nut.

>>128201522
you go back to street theater school and learn to type a more convincing shitpost.

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>have a friend that's trans
>figure out in the long run that they only did it for perverted reasons
>they unironically use the term "tranny"
>they identify as a "trans-girl/femboy"
>realize that there are thousands of fake transgenders out there
>slowly start to see why people believe in those conspiracy theories about jews contaminating the water supply and trying to feminize all the men

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>>128201421
Why? I hate Jews.

>>128201522
Tits or GTFO

>>128193654
Degenerate if you're looking for a full blown relationship with them
Don't give a fuck if you're having protected sex with them on the side or as a one time thing
Being allowed to go off & cut off their genitals Should be Illegal as it is a form of Severe Neglect.
Now post Traps.

>>128201534
Woah, thats fucked up. Thats not something I even remotley support. People need to leave kids alone and let them worry about shit when theyre older. They shouldnt get taught about it at all, at least in primary/kindergarden its scummy.
>>128201513
>Materalism
This needs to stop.

>>128193654
It's certainly no more wrong than being manic, or schizto.
Nobody likes being subjected to people with severe mental disorders that refuse to get help though.

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>>128201521
I'm sorry to hear you say that. I've managed to do it a bit earlier than others which helped but it still is a shitty way of life. And how do you know you don't pass?
>>128201705
That's what they 'AGPs' on /lgbt/.

>>128199534
I agree 100%

>>128199613
Trans people demanding tax payers to pay for their surgeries is wrong. If trans people want to pay it themselves there is nothing wrong. If a MTF trans wants to use a woman's bathroom, who cares? And trans people an hero themselves mostly because of social negativity towards them. If that negativity stopped, they would live healthier lives. You're basically getting angry at people who want to live their lives in a way that makes them happy. They don't shoot up schools like white kids do and they don't blow up concerts like Snackbars do and they don't commit felonies like Basketball Americans do. Trans people are nooowhere near as bad as any of those.

>>128202106
>That's what they 'AGPs' on /lgbt/.

Say that again but in english please, I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>128202115
>demanding

that's some low hanging fruit, anon. i didn't even plant the tree.

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>>128202115
>Trans people are nooowhere near as bad as any of those.

Richard Speck's titties would like to say otherwise.

>>128202237
>'AutoGynePhilia'
It's arousal from seeing yourself as a woman. So basically not trans but fetishism. Also they're the ones who would make transgirls seem like perverts.

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>>128202115
>Their surgeries
How in the blue fuck can ANYONE defend this?!
If someone said they wanted their thumb cut off we wouldn't send them to a surgeons, but when a guy wants his cock chopped off
That is blatant kikery

>>128193654
There is nothing wrong with being defective, but it is a human tragedy.
These people deserve to be treated decently.
Telling them they are not defective, and that they can be what they want to be, is not decent. THAT is wrong because it is dishonest, deceptive, evil and unnecessary cruel, and the truth will inevitably catch up.

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>>128202237
AGP`s is from Blanchardism. Its a theory on transgenderism. Basically their are two types of tranny, the gay guys who want to be girls so theyre normal and the straight guys who want to be girls because they love the idea, for whatever reason. Its kind of a meme theory with a lot of holes in and criticised for a lot of reasons but its engrained into /lgbt.
>>128202106
Oh...I know. My face is just enough to keep up a bit of hope but my shoulders and height have been raped by puberty. I`ll keep trying but its a pipe dream.

>>128202237
people who don't realize their dysphoria is related to transgenderism and get caught fapping to sissy porn
it's a way to make fun of asymetric brain development

>>128193654

It's a mental disorder. In any civilized country, it should be treated so the afflicted person can come to terms with his problem and tr fixing it.

In the West the disorder is apparently being glorified as the next stage of human evolution... except it's not.

Doesn't matter if you claim you feel you're not in the right body, get some freakin help instead of listening to people who claim "of course you are who you feel you are, let us help you realize your idea".

Doesn't matter if you had a surgery to try and have your outside reflect your inside, you're still the same person, except you willingly brutalized your own body thinking it'll help.

Women's bodies have been designed to produce, bear and nurture children. Men's body wasn't. Doesn't matter if you "sex change" from man to woman, you're still biologically a man and you'll never able to produce children.

>>128202115
>And trans people an hero themselves mostly because of social negativity towards them.
There's that myth again. They kill themselves because theyare severely mentally ill. Do you blame schizos killing themselves on society not accepting their delusions too?

>They don't shoot up schools like white kids do
>they don't commit felonies like Basketball Americans
Tranny is a race like black and white?

>>128200536
Stay strong comrade

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>>128193654

Mental Illness & Social Engineering.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>128202739
My height has been raped but fortunately nothing else. My hands and feet are weirdly tiny compared to my body, for example. I've just started pills so hopefully I'll do even better later on. Keep your head up.
>>128202997
Thanks, you too.

>>128202637
>If someone said they wanted their thumb cut off we wouldn't send them to a surgeons.

If someone wanted to cut off their finger who gives a shit. Their money, their choice. If you wanted to have a doctor cut off your finger, they would. I had several of my toenails removed from my feet a few years ago because they're useless to me.

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>>128202115
>If a MTF trans wants to use a woman's bathroom, who cares?
A lot of people care about that m8. Nobody wants to see a man dressed as a woman enter the same bathroom as their daughter. Transgenders are a pestilence just like multiculturalism.

>>128202889
Implying trans = schizophrenia

And no, of course trans is not a race but my point flew over your head. I was saying trans people don't deserve the hate they get when compared to dindus and young white males.

>>128204584
does that mean you don't want your daughter being taught by a trans?
what if the surgeon trying to cure her cancer is trans?
you hate multiculturalism? would you want a trans on your team in a fox hole trench warfare?

>>128193654
Justify how a human can be born with the wrong body.

>>128205342
xenoestrogen exposure in utero

>>128204584
>I'm afraid of men dressed as women.

Wouldn't that make those men gay, therefore not attracted to your daughter? McKill YS

>>128204912
>muh violent white males
You're just going off a list of sjw myths, aren't you? I bet mentally ill trannies commit more crimes than the average white male. But that is besides the point, because trannies are harming the very core of society by normalizing their mental illness and forcing everyone to play along with their delusion. When calling a man a man is considered hate speech and children are encouraged to "pick a gender", it means the entire society has been dumbed down and corrupted to the lowest level imaginable.

>>128205452
>Wouldn't that make those men gay, therefore not attracted to your daughter
>followed by a shitty radditz meme
lol are you 12?

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>>128205237
No, no, yes, and no.
>>128205452
How would you know that it's just a pathetic faggot and not a pedophile? Your trust in people who you don't know is exactly why you're an idiot anon.

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Why is this being debated?

(hint, its just shills shilling)


POL WILL NEVER ACCEPT:
GAYS
LESBIANS
BI
TRANSFAGS
PEDOS
LEGIT KEKS
OR ANY OTHER SEXUAL DEGENERATE

>>128205701
Ad hominem. Boy, you sure showed me big fella.

The McKill YS thing was a rebuttal to the image.

>>128205871
>trying to escape polgbt

>>128204580
You do realise how irresponsible and reckless that is?

Because conservatives are absolutely obsessed with other people's sex lives

>>128205751
Because male public restrooms are shared by men and little boys and no one has seemed to make an uproar over possible pedophilia until the trans issue sprang up.

You can walk into a Target bathroom right now and whip your dick out and piss next to five little boys and it's totally fine.
A man wears women's clothes and /pol/ flips their shit

>>128206770
This.

>>128206770
yeah to the point where they even go so far as to stalk and harass certain people for money. seems kind of "degenerate" to me.

>>128196344
The numbers + majority of the world finds them disgusting + every religion wants them dead = morally wrong

>>128206484
What are you refering to?

>>128194745
>she

>>128193654

Because you're supposed to stop playing pretend after becoming older than 5.

>>128207092
Surgeons being allowed to cut people's body parts off for no other reason than "they want to"

>>128207092
He is referring to this:
>>128199090
>>128199268
If you can't understand why mutilating yourself in anyway should not be acceptable you are incapable of intelligent discussions. Might as well get your brain removed, m8, its clearly useless to you.

>>128208039
/pol/ has r/thedonald
/lgbt/ have quite a few.
Both stain the names of our boards.
>Full large scale inter-board raid of reddit when?

>>128208018
Why does it bother you so much what others do with their own body?

>>128201130
Get mad about anime on a chinese folk dancing cartoon board

>>128193654
I wouldn't call a mental illness wrong.
We should pity these people, but also in no way cuck to them and entertain their fantasies.

>>128200536
the amount of communist trannies is driving me insane I need more right wing trannies to talk with or im going to fucking explode

>>128210204
lol, i think you'll have a hard time finding trannies that understand reality

>>128210204
hey theres absolutely nothing wrong with thinning the herd

>>128196344

Surely, as a society you want to prevent these people from self-harm and help them in any way possible without the mutilation?
Or should we just allow this to happen?

>>128210204
There's one who likes Trump and Guns.
He's a Pornstar tho.

>>128199727
>>128200536
Post tits and or dick