What is wrong with you burgers?

>>128189821
*1/3 cumulative emissions of America

>>128189821
> Even Exxon Mobil pleads for US to stay in
That's when you know this shit is a serious farce. Either humans CAN control the climate and in that case no taxes or levies can change the fact, or they CANNOT in which case blah blah etcetera.

>>128189821
Blame yourself, and your trump supporters.

>>128190084
Things are not always black and white, kid.

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China pollutes more than the rest of the industrialized world combined and aren't required to do shit while the US is expected to foot the bill and destroy our economy.

>>128190224
I'm colorlblind and yes they are.
Could you tell me what is wrong with your current leadership?

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>>128189821

>What the fuck happened to you burgers. Why is your political scene so fucking stupid? Political discussions in literally any other developed country are fuckin 40 iq points higher than the stream of rotten shit that comes out of your politicians, pundits, and voters.
This is why Trump was elected. Turn off the BBC and CNN, go outside, profit.

>>128190431
So you acknowledge emissions and fossil fuels are a big deal, but because china pollutes more you're for pulling out of global climate commitments altogether?

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>>128190084
wut

Either humans can control their bodies in which case they should never die or they can't control their bodies in which case they will never move...

Is this legit what passes for reasoning on this board lol

Environnement was never à USA ISSUE ,and will probably never be. ...

>>128190833
it's a bad deal. Nobody thinks pollution is a good thing.
We can curb our own emissions without forking over millions for no apparent reason.

>>128191049
Things move a lot when they are not in control, capicé?

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>>128190431
So if China split into 5 countries then America would be the biggest problem?

This is why we use per capita children

>>128189821
>1/2 the per capita

But China has 3x the population so they produce more. Do you not know how per capita works?

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>"the american way of life"
>drive fuckhueg SUV:s with your fat ass children to school a mile away
>live in mansions with mandatory field of grass to expend energy on to keep tidy and watered
>eat ridiculous amounts of calories, preferably red meats
>buy new shit constantly because it stimyulates muh ecahnomy
>don't like nuclear power because chernobyl, and i'll be damned if those pinko fucks put a turbine in our beautiful american landscape of corn and soy
and all of this is spreading to the rest of the world through mass media and internet
if three hundred million people living like this is bad, try the billions in the third world that want to start living the shart in mart life

>>128191846
Are you sure you know how per capita works? The size of a state is completely arbitrary. If china split into 5 countries would it stop being an issue?

>>128192191
Made me laugh hard. This is pretty accurate.

>>128189821
>Even Exxon Mobil pleads for US to stay in
Why doesn't Exxon Mobil just cut their own emissions?

>>128191505
China's economy and industrialization are growing much more rapidly than the US.

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>>128189821

>>128192191
>>drive fuckhueg SUV:s with your fat ass children to school a mile away
>>live in mansions with mandatory field of grass to expend energy on to keep tidy and watered
>>eat ridiculous amounts of calories, preferably red meats
Are these bad things? Do Europoors like living in hovels while taking public transit and starving to death?

>>128189821
We gained nothing from the Parris accords. Other countries are just assmad that the US now has an economic advantage. Also China lies, a lot.

Have fun being poor, retard

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>>128189821
It was because we were paying China to fix their emissions in the first place.

It is well that they are claiming to stay in without us. But they won't.

China can't keep its end of the bargain on anything.

>>128192692
>implying that public transport is bad

i'll take 20 people using the same bus vs each one of these driving a car and wasting more fuel

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>>128192434
Because the exist within a market economy, and so voluntary actions to reduce emissions do not have to be undertaken by competitors. As a result, companies that attempt to mitigate the cost of externalities will be at a competitive disadvantage and will lose market share. Markets are survival of the 'fittest', but in cases where externalities are present, the 'fittest' is not necessarily the most socially beneficial outcome. This is called a market failure and can be fixed with a pigouvian externality tax, in this case, a carbon tax.

>>128189821
>waaah waaah pay for the meaningless platitudes we wrote up so we can feel good about ourselves while only contributing a fraction of what we expect you to put in
Fuck off.

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>>128190084
SPBP

>>128193021
Ya public transport is for poor people like you. We actually have disposable income in the US, unfortunately we cant expect you to understand

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>>128193467
>make a completely reasonable argument
>MURRIIICAAA YOU FUCKING EUROPOOR

>>128192660
Haha top kek

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>>128189821
fuck off leaf

>>128190224
>muh 'things aren't black and white so you better tax yourself to death' redditcore argument

>>128193608
Which is why Canada stayed in the Paris accord and has a carbon tax!

>>128192191
>"the swedish way of life"
>wake up to sound of cultural enrichment
>go outside, walk around the dead body
>don't speak of the body to prevent the proliferation of islamophobia
>get raped
>watch wife and daughters get raped
>eat smelly fish
>get arrested for not bowing to Achmed as he walks past you
I'll take the shart in mart over the hail achmed life

>>128193021

Have fun riding with niggers and mudslimes.

To be honest, if I lived in a white-only country, I would happily use public transport. It was a joy to use in countries such as Poland and Slovakia when I visited Eastern Europe.

However, I would never use it in Western Europe or America unless all non-whites get disappeared or we go back to segregation.

Fuck off losers suck on our tailpipes

>>128192191
You have to drive SUVs for the tax subsidy though.

>>128193467
Can't remember which country, but some country in South American ran out of coin change completely. All the coins just disappeared almost overnight and no one knew where they went. Citizens blamed mint for not minting enough, mint blamed citizens for losing... literally all of them.

Only people that had coins were public transport. Very suspicious. They were charging insanely inflated prices, giving coins to people in exchange for complete bills. Making insane profits.

>>128193021
In the US, public transport is full of niggers and spics. That is why we drive cars everywhere. Surely you understand wanting a car, being around so many niggers (shame most Yuropoors don't use them though)

>>128193890
Honestly this. All of my experiences on public transportation have been terrible, and all of them were caused by blacks.

>>128194077
Checked

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>>128193873
>being in Paris accord
>having this per capita emissions
>blames US for leaving useless accord.
>not blaming China for their emissions.

>>128192692
of course we have cars, but they're smaller, usually more fuel efficient, and we ride a lot of public transit or just bike
smaller houses, too. many live in flats, commieblocks get too much flak t b h, maximum comfy
and while we have gotten fatter lately, that's because of the constant importing of american culture. kids talk so much english, and i'm not exaggerating when i say that roughly 20% of the conversations between youth consist of english words and phrases

i want to tell you to get your culture the fuck out of my country but it's so ingrained that it's useless
americanization be the death of me

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>>128193873
>carbon tax
So are you joking or do you literally pay for shit you have no control over, like the need to breathe?

>>128194184
Americanization isn't what is killing you. Achmed and friends are killing your people (literally)

>>128194184

Do not worry anon, soon all the kids will speak Arabic.

>>128194349
Why would he be joking? It's already like this in California.

>>128189821
Does all the emissions from American airplanes count as American emissions even when the plane is carrying non American passengers?

>>128193873
>taxes are cool, amirite fellow kids?
Good luck with your $800 a month hydro bill

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>>128194349
Well I don't pay for shit actually. I emit less carbon than everyone else so when I get my fat juicy tax rebate it is a net positive for me

>>128190833
We need to go to war with China, not join a deal that lets them continue to pollute and grow and forces us to stop growing.

>>128194664

See >>128194709

>>128189821
>1751
I call complete and utter horseshit numbers.

>>128194709
They are talking about a carbon tax, not a carbon rebate

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>>128189821
>Posts graph contrary to argument
>Implying there is data from 1751
>Implying USA was a country in 1751
>Implying industrial revolution didn't happen in USA first
>Implying North American population didn't increase 20 fold in 250 years
Implying all these implications

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>>128194474
believe me, if the choice was between middle eastern islamic culture and american culture, i would march my ass down to the supermarket, tip the gypsy outside and take a shit in aisle four

we can keep all the good things about multiculturalism imo. the lighter stuff, like food and maybe some music and art. i'm not giving up kebab pizza. however, the absolute core of my nation's culture, the bottom of the iceberg in pic related, must remain swedish and only swedish

>>128195474
One and the same. The money from the tax goes straight to the rebate

>>128195642
Doesn't the money go towards an environmental cause? If the money is earned through harming the environment, then the money should be used to restore the environment, not given to you so you can breath more and cause more environmental damage.

>>128195637
So whats the swedich culture Fucking ikea? If you say sabaton well its awsome

>>128196452
did you read the picture? i'm not talking about more superficial stuff like music and ikea (even though that's important too), i'm talking about religion, manners, customs, equality, basically everything "deep culture"

>>128194184
You understand outside of the huge cities, or being in the suburbs, Americans drive much further and don't have access to reasonable public transport. Out states are bigger than your "countries".
Also, pulling out of the climate agreement does not mean America cannot make our own environmental goals or regulations. Take your ZOG and globalism and eat a kikedick.

>>128189821

While China is all "BUT THE CARBON" and fooling everyone into thinking they're doing something, they're still polluting their land heavily to the point that crops grown on it aren't edible and their water is so toxic now it has no use, not even industrial uses.

But remember, the only thing that is important is carbon dioxide which will take 5000+ years to have any actual effect on the climate at the current rate (unlike Chinas polluting of their land which will literally turn every single drop of water in China into toxic waste within 15 years and the entire country into an inhospitable wasteland by the end of the century).

>>128197168
My friend went to china and you have to wear a mask outside. They have lots of large building with air filters so it's not a big deal. As long as you can pay to get inside then you'll have no problem breathing.

>>128194184
>blaming America for getting fatter
Nice locus of control.

>>128196720
My mother's family is Norwegian, I mean actual Norwegians, and while a bit more extreme I don't find jante law radically different than how conservative Protestants (conservative as in non-evangelical, non-revivalist) social circles work here. Albeit it's rapidly disappearing and has been for over a century now

>>128189821
The Constitution was designed so that people's voice is irrelevant to policy outcomes. Most /pol/burgers are sissycucks to this state of affairs and believe it right and normal.

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>>128189821
>Political discussions in literally any other developed country are fuckin 40 iq points higher than the stream of rotten shit that comes out of your politicians, pundits, and voters...
Hey fagturd, take a look at this series of year-by-year emissions and then come back and tell us if you were smart enough to notice a pattern. And China doesn't have to pay anything until 2030? Are you on crack?

>>128197504

The air pollution in China is so bad that the scales didn't actually go high enough to measure it. When companies tried to increase the scales to measure the air pollution and how bad it was, the Chinese government outlawed changes to the scale.

Pollution in China isn't dropping, it's just been made illegal to record pollution levels if they exceed a certain level.

This is how China operates. They lie and cheat about everything.

>>128192191
The Swede understands how fucking pathetic the non-negotiable muh american lifestyle really is.

>>128196746
i can understand that you don't want global cooperation in everything, but for something important as taking care of the globe we all reside on, you must agree that cooperation between countries towards a common good is fully reasonable
the u.s. isn't automatically exempt from the effects of global warming just because you lot left the paris agreement
>don't have access to reasonable public transport
build some
not even memeing, you could employ so many people and do so god damn much in the green sector, and seeing as your public transport infrastructure is nearly nonexistent, you could build it from the ground up
however, seeing as that wouldn't be good for the oil bois, they do everything in their (enormous) power to stop just that

>>128189821
We should start by boycotting Canadian Oil.
>>128192191
You act like this sucks.
>Truck, SUV's awesome. We actually have kids we need to move large distances, Public transportation is risky and borderline child abuse.
>we need trucks for industry, construction, Farming
>Steak is awesome, Bacon is awesome and scares away mudslimes
>implying new shit is bad
>Implying having large living quarters and a yard is bad
>The nuclear waste is the larger issue. We don't fear the nuclear plants.
>Implying feeding the world as a bad thing.
Driving a car/SUV/truck/quad/snowmobile/dirt bike/motorcycle is awesome. I am sorry fuel is too expensive for you to enjoy these things.

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>>128191505
>>128192227
Per capita is a bullshit statistic and you already know it. How about a breakdown based on vehicles?
>United States 255 million vehicles, 321 million people
>China, 244 million vehicles, 1371 million people
USA has 4% more vehicles but 30% less pollution

Now run the same figure for factories, power plants, etc etc. Then do the same for every other entity in your statistic.
Then think about what you've done!

>>128198245

The Paris agreement doesn't really do anything to stop climate change though. It's basically an economic agreement where the richest countries pay the poorest countries and in exchange they are allowed to continue polluting.

An agreement that was designed to fix things would actually focus on reducing pollution, not just say "you can pollute if you pay us".

>>128196390
An externality tax isn't meant to do that, it's meant to shift preferences towards greener solutions using market mechanisms

>>128198564
The US manufactures almost nothing. China manufactures almost everything. China is doing bretty gud considering.
>>128198245
>build some
That would require that corporations be regulated instead of people. That's a non-starter among the corpoate Republican set.
>>128198585
Now that the USA is out of Paris, the agreement could be updated to actually fix things, rather than making shows of penance and continuing to sin, as is usual American custom.

>>128200822

>The US manufactures almost nothing. China manufactures almost everything. China is doing bretty gud considering.

Of Chinas pollution, only about 25% of it is the result of manufacturing goods for foreign countries. Of the goods they manufacture the majority of them actually end up in the EU.

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>>128198564
yea but farming rice paddies without Mechanized equipment is PROGRESS. Tractor BAD, Low efficiency GOOD.

>>128200822
>The US manufactures almost nothing.
Not sure if serious. Regardless if we were going to argue that China mfgs more than the US I'm sure US power consumption is much much cleaner on a like for like comparison.

>>128189821
Why do you think Exxon supports the Paris agreement

>>128189821
Can't stop thinking about us, no matter what we do, right, bitch?

>>128190833
yes

>>128201884
>I'm sure US power consumption is much much cleaner on a like for like comparison
Mostly serious. Still I would agree with your statement.
>>128202585
Sit down, attention-slut kike.

>>128189821
>China is taking actual steps to reduce emissions
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

>>128190084
You're a fucking retard.

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>>128201033
I was going to start riding my bicycle to work to cut back on my carbon footprint, but it would be about a 6 hour round trip. 3 miles is a long way to peddle for a burger!

>>128198564
>The fucking state of burger education

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We dictate rules here leaf....now back to kitchen

>>128190819
/thread

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>>128189821
BAAAAAAA
Don't leave the herd!
BAAAAAAA
The cliff is right there!
BAAAAAAA
None of us will survive if you don't jump to!

>>128202720
>Mostly serious. Still I would agree with your statement.
That is kind of the point of pulling out of the agreement though isn't it? Not that we shouldn't continue to make progress, but if we're going to be held to a higher standard it really isn't very fair.

The price of diesel vehicles continues to increase because of the emissions equipment that is forced on us. Again, not that its a bad thing, but the cost of a vehicle increases significantly because of particulate filters, "diesel fluid," diesel oxidation catalysts, more complex turbochargers, more complex injectors, EGR, PCV, etc.

We have to reduce our output X% after everything we've already done, meanwhile the chinese, mexicans, south americans, etc are running their diesels without many or any of the emissions equipment we use. It would be very inexpensive for 3rd world countries to implement just a fraction of the emissions equipment we have to lower their CO2 output.

>>128198245
>Let's build a train 25 miles long to an isolated gas station+walmart combo with nothing else for another 10 miles!

You clearly don't know what you're talking about

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>>128203153
Incredible arguments from a spic jig. I wouldn't have expected any less.

>>128192191
and, swede,
you miss the fact that ALL OF THIS MURILARD WAY OF LIFE
goes to fund the largest socialist wet dream on earth
the JEWMERICA WORLDWIDE WELFARE STATE

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>>128203153
kek, don't throw stones from your glass house, those are some awfully dysfunctional countries that are above you in math, reading and science.

>>128193888
HEAR HEAR!

>>128198844
Yes, and giving you a rebate so you can breath isn't a greener solution. The money should go towards acquiring land and restricting humans from living on it.

>>128203153
If you've ever flown on an American aircraft then you've added to the American carbon footprint even though your and not an American.

>>128189821
money

>>128189821
I just came to this thread to say that we don't give a fuck what any of you think. Just let that sink in.

>>128205983
Good joke, much funny

>>128205619
First we should use that money to acquire china so we can turn off their coal power plants. For every two coal power plants we shut down in china, we can turn one on in America. Think green

>>128190431
Ever heard of per capita, faggot? You're as dumb as a bag of bricks. Never give your opinion here again.

>>128206462
I guess when people live longer happier lives they can cause more pollution.

>>128205983
don't cut yourself on all that edge, sugarbuns

>>128189821
>2009
>some bullshit timeline graph
>separating Germany and the UK from Europe so that Europe doesn't outweigh the USA
lel, nice cherrypicked information to manipulate data and public opinion.

Get back to me with accurate 2016-2017 data and maybe I'll give it the time of day.

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>>128206462
see
>>128198564
Please keep hanging on to your per capita argument no matter how irrelevant. It seems to be the only statistic that fits your narrative. Over 1 billion chinese that have never driven a car.

>>128206462
>per capita
total meme argument, if America had as many people living in extreme poverty as China you'd complain about that too.

spoiler: China has more people in extreme poverty than the USA has citizens period.

>>128204115
>isolated gas station+walmart combo with nothing else for another 10 miles
why is this even a thing to begin with?

>>128207594
Some towns don't want the traffic issues in the center of town, so they force them to build further away.

>>128207594
Land mass dude.
I realize its hard to fathom coming from where you are. Your entire world is slightly larger than just the State of California while your GDP is only 20%.
There is a lot of space in this country. If we were building mass transit for just one state it would be much easier. We're pretty spread out here.
>the u.s. isn't automatically exempt from the effects of global warming just because you lot left the paris agreement
Tell me more about what Sweden is doing to help combat global warming. Tell me how you are doing more? Tell me the world hasn't learned most of what it knows about curbing CO2 emissions from this country. Please educate us and tell us why it is we need you or anyone else for help.

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>>128189821
I'm just going to leave this here for you leafcuck.

>>128189821
Source on this graph?