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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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Fuck off Commie
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>>128182282

Undialectical.
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>>128180571
>"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
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>>128180571
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JEWS CREATED COMMUNISM
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>>128183148
>"I'm gay and retarded"
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Boo
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>>128183330
Sorry bout your luck chuck.
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>>128182624
WHO CREATED COMMUNISM AND CONTROLS THE BIG BANK, YOU COMMUNIST SHITHEAD?????


The Jewish Banking Mafia:

Jew - Rothschild Banks of London
Jew - Rothschild Banks of Berlin
Jew - Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Jew - Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Jew - Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany
Jew - Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Jew - Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Jew - Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Jew - Goldman Sachs (Obamas biggest corporate donor in 2008/2012) CEO Lloyd Blankfein
Jew - The Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yelen (before, Ben Shalom Bernanke and Alan Greenspan) including top shareholders Goldman Sachs (Jewish), J.P. Morgan Chase (Jewish) and the Rothschilds banking cartel (Jewish)
Jew - Citigroup Chairman Stanford Weil and Co Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - Wells Fargo Chairman John Stumpf
Jew - Bank of America Chief Executive Charles Noski
Jew - Barclays Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - J.P. Morgan Chase Chairman and Chief Executive Jamie Diamond
Jew - Morgan Stanley President and Chief Executive James Gorman
Jew - USB AG Chief Executive Oswal Gurbel
Jew - CFTC Chariman Gary G. Gensler
Jew - SEC Chariwoman Mary Schapiro
Jew - NFA President Daniel Roth
Jew - FINRA Chairman Richard Ketchum
Jew - NYSE Euronext President Duncan Niederauer
Jew - NASDAQ OMZ Group Chief Executive Robert Greifield
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YOU FUCKING JEW COCK SUCKERS

KILL YOURSELF
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dumbass nazis who dont know hitler was funded by corporations to prevent the working class from being liberated.

>"THE JEWS CREATED COMMUNISM"
why the fuck do you retards keep parroting this shit? the jews endgame is to enslave the white race? shit why has it taken them so fucking long?
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>>128184204
Rome wasn't built in a day.
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>>128184204
WHO CONTROLS THE BIG BANK, SHITHEAD????

ANSWER ME, SHITHEAD

I'M WAITING, SHITHEAD
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>>128183536

as if a class of people who continuously exploit everyone would think twice about exploiting marxist ideology. are you actually that retarded?
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>>128184719
>yet another variation of the not a real communist meme
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>>128184657
>"banks control all money"
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Can a commie point me to a single leftist meme that is actually original and funny?

>protip: you can't
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>>128184827
ANSWER ME, YOU FUCKING SHITHEAD COMMUNIST RAT!!!!!!!

ANSWER ME
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>>128184719
uh-huh, because communism begets utopia, right? Unbridled economic egalitarianism for all kek.
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>>128185140
no political memes are not funny you autistic faggot
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>>128180571

HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA DEJA DE HACER ESTOS PUTOS THREADS DE MIERDA MARICÓN
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dont give commies power or they'll kill millions
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>>128185531
hahahahahah faggot

You do know that edgy nazi memes have been funny since forever right?
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>>128185663
Proof of the truth about climate change.
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>>128180571
Don't you get tired of making these shit threads every day when everyone despises this ideology?
It's always the same couple people, and unlike /nsg/ it never goes anywhere.
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>>128184827
Ftfy
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JEW CONTROLLED FED

COMMUNIST RATS SUPPORT THIS
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>>128180571
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>>128180571
Multiculturalism will fail.

"One day, you will know that I was right." - Adolf Hitler, March 12, 1945.
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Communism is inevitable.
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>>128186177
For over a hundred years they have been looting the treasury.
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Reminder gommies
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>>128186087
HAHAHAHA! Great picture. Communist rats are 100% useful idiots
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>>128185694
Tenemos que buscarle y darle una paliza, nos esta dando peor fama de la que tenemos
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>...the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
The problem is, is that it doesn't. But we don't have to even argue that far.

If anything, the state simply becomes hyper-strong. It pushes pro-Marxist policies for their own sake. As the situation deteriorates, the revolutionary leaders slowly lose their support and respond by strengthening the state further, until the communist state is no longer feasible to maintain, and the country reverts to its previous monarchy/democracy.

The ideas of Marx and Lenin were created hundreds of years ago. While they were amazing at the time, they are primitive compared to current market economic thought and are no longer valid. One day, they will be thousands of years old. So we don't even have to argue about the problems of revolutionary doctrine because communism is so inherently destructive and out of date that the socialist argument simply eats itself, like an ouroboros.

Leftists argue that Marx is unpopular because of lack of education, and they're partially right. Marx should be required reading in schools because of its disasters and people should be more interested in him. The sad fact is, communism only prevails in communities with the poorest education and lowest levels of literacy. Those are really the only people who want it - losers.
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>>128186482
money was created to redistribute gold to the elites with fake printed money.
they deliver the gold to the aliens.
((((maybe))))
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Just got banned from /leftypol/, lads. I think I'll set up shop here.

This is now the NAZBOL thread.
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>>128186435
>COMMUNISM IS INEVITABLE

We could make a meme out of it.
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>>128186647
>they deliver the gold to the aliens.
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>>128180571
>100 million people starving to death

Not that capitalism is any better though...they both lead to the same place...anarchy is the only way for individuals , no man made rule can be just ever,if you let others rule you , you are pretty much just a walking dead slave
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>>128186647
When you lost the war it ignited the initial fall of Europe.

Should've fought harder.
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>>128180571
>communism general
You know what time it is.
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Thread theme:
https://youtu.be/eDvSrMnL-8M
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>>128186796
>>100 million people starving to death
WAHHHHH REMEMBER DAH 100 TRILLIAN GAZILLION
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>>128186799
yeah i should've fought harder when i was -50 years old, not even existing yet.
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>>128186177
>Communists support banks and money
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communism causes alcohol addictions because it's so much fun partying everyday when you don't have to work.
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"Death is a preferable alternative to communism."
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>>128187686
I too get my political ideas from mediocre video games.
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>>128186685
Drilling of the Bowland shale formation, straddling the North West and South Yorkshire and containing 50 per cent more oil and gas than the two largest shale formations in the US, is about the start.

So what are EU faggots going to do?

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/donald-trump-right-ditch-paris-agreement/
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>>128187803
And by political ideas, I mean the forced exchange of goods by the limitless power of the state.

Whats the worst that could happen!*

*may result in the deaths of over a hundred million people
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>>128180571

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

I love you, spanish commie anon, don't stop.
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>>128188083
I am unironically in favour of that.
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>>128188170
>tfw i was going to post this
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>>128188379

don't forget to sage and don't worry. Next time!
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Get out you jew loving commies, better dead than red! Get the death squads ready.
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How many communists actually know how to use a gun?
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>>128186687
Ftfy again
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piss off
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>>128188973
>it's le jooz
I hope you realize "the Jews" are just a red-herring for the bourgeoisie.

Not that the bourgeoisie aren't disproportionately Jewish anyway.
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>>128189137
Good goy.
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>>128189362
I already acknowledge the bourgeoisie are disproportionately Jewish.

But here's the thing, we also have a lot of white goy bourgies, we got a lot of Asian bourgies, we got a lot of Arab and Latin American bourgies, we even have some black bourgies. All of these people are screwing us over and what do they have in common? It's not being Jewish, it's controlling the means of production.

What does Moshe Feinstein the post-man in Tel Aviv have to do with all this? Nothing.
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>>128189137
>making money is bad goy! the bourgeoisie are evil!
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>>128189743
But the bourgeoisie are evil. That's a fact.

Well insofar as "evil" is real anyway.
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>>128190013
>But the bourgeoisie are evil. That's a fact.
LOL

>making money is inherently evil, all exchange is zero-sum, all value comes from labour!
communism is a retarded ideology that needs to stay in the 19th century
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>>128189713
>it's controlling the means of production.
And the banks, and the media, and history and your mind through adverts and other propaganda subconcious methods. The ones actually owning National Banks and therefore controlling countries directly are only kikes but the rest kikes or not are equally our enemies for allowing the kikes to subvert our people's minds. Join us in fighting them comerade.
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>>128190727
I don't think you understand what "bourgeoisie" is. It's not classified by how much money you make. It's classified by whether or not you control means of production.

There are bourgies that are shit at their job and thus are poor. There are proles that work in lucrative fields and thus are rich. e.g if you run a garage and get fuck all customers you are still bourgeois by virtue of your ownership even though you don't make very much money. On the other hand if you're an oil-rig worker making six figures a year because your skills are in high demand you're still proletariat since you don't actually own the oil-rig.

I'm not even inherently opposed to markets, I just think it's plainly obvious that commercial property does not benefit society at all.
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>>128191291
>implying
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>>128190470
>all of this basically funded by communist ideas, like taxation and government controlled military
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>>128190794
Then shove them up your ass.
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>>128191463
>taxation
>the military
>communist ideas

Woah...
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>>128191234
You still haven't defended the retardation of the labour theory of value, an extremely retarded idea that Marxism is 100% predicated on.

Also,
>I don't think you understand what "bourgeoisie" is
because it's stupid and irrelevant at this point. The distinction communism makes between "means of production" and "private property" is completely arbitrary and makes absolutely no sense in today's world.

For instance, a computer. Communists say that personal items wouldn't be socialized in their society, only the means of production, but a computer can just as easily be used as "capital" to produce something as it can be used as an end-user good or a tool by the so-called proletariat.

Marxism is a retarded ideology that has no place in modern society. There is a reason the USSR failed.
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eat shit
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>>128190470
"US Concentration camps" " Nazi Holocaust" "WW 2"

What the fuck are you smoking.
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>>128191934
>implying you have any idea what Marx was talking about
Top kek
He wasn't saying people can't value goods differently
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>>128180571
Leftists support
>1.) Womens liberation
>2.) The sexual revolution

Leftists are degenerate cucks who'd let their daughters get pumped by a new dick a week without lifting a finger.
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>>128180571
get the fuck out of here you scumbag murdering thugs.
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>>128192402
>implying anyone cares what a literal NEET who never walked into a factory in his life thinks about economics
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>>128192402
>He wasn't saying people can't value goods differently
That is exactly what the labour theory of value says, it says that the value of a good is directly proportional to the labour put into the good rather than what consumers are willing to pay for it.

Maybe YOU don't understand Marx. I do and that's why I find Marxism to be a retarded system worthy of derision.
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>>128192780
What do factory-workers know about economics?
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>>128192941
There's different types of value in the Marxist system.
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>>128184204
If trotsky didnt sail to russia with a boat load of newyork wall street banker gold communism would have died with lenin.
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>>128191934
To be perfectly straight with you I don't even consider myself a Marxist because it's predicated on historical progress which I do not believe in. But nonetheless you clearly have not actually read any Marx.

>For instance, a computer. Communists say that personal items wouldn't be socialized in their society, only the means of production, but a computer can just as easily be used as "capital" to produce something as it can be used as an end-user good or a tool by the so-called proletariat.
This is retarded.
You say this as if it's a brilliant "gotcha" proof of how socialist ideas on the means of production are outdated. But you seem to ignore a blindly obvious truth, tools have existed since forever - far longer than anything recognizable as leftist ideology has. Even in Marx's day there were independent craftsmen with their own tools that could be used to work for financial gain. For instance a hammer and an anvil.

Why do we exempt these from concepts like "seizing the means of production". Because the reason we want to collectivize a privately owned factory for instance is the exploitative nature of it, the profits it produces to the owner are dependent on the labour of his employees, they make the thing that is sold and then profited upon from which he receives a cut. We as workers would rather receive more money, and so would rather distribute those profits among the people who do the work without it going to someone who simply "owns" the property.

Here is the distinction from a PC for instance. The person who owns the PC is also the person who uses it. Just like an independent blacksmith and his anvil. The profits accrued are already distributed among the person who works at it, that being one single person.
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>>128193062
>yes goy we intellectuals know what's best for you don't think for yourself
I can't wait for the revolution so retards like you can be thrown up against a wall and shot.

>pic
>ridding mankind of ideology
hahahahahahahah
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>>128193355
So you admit that value can originate from the end user of a good and the amount of labour put into a good is often tangential if not completely irrelevant to its value, correct?
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>>128192780
I'm pretty sure 99% of economists ever never walked into a factory.

It's not like being inside a factory would give you any magic comprehension of economics.
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>>128180571

Fuck off and die you worthless piece of Marxist shit. You could go anywhere, why would you come here?

Your hebrew economic theory is bullshit.
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>>128192402

Are you trying to win us over by peddling a hebrew economic theory with some echo brackets thrown in?

Do you really think you're gonna find more useful idiots here?
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friendly reminder commies are not human
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>>128193461
It's not as if right-wing intellectuals don't think they know better than people

>>128193647
It depends on the kind of value you mean.
Taking a guess (I don't remember perfectly) it's directly related to exchange value but use value depends on the user
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>>128187337
Central banking is a main plank of marxism.
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>>128186435
only thing that is inevitable is death
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>>128193451
Where is the line of demarciation? At what point does the "independent blacksmith" become an ebil capitalist bourgeoisie?

When he pays someone else for work? What if he pays a stake (not majority) to the worker? What if the worker (and equityholder) does not feel exploited because the startup costs of buying an anvil are too steep for an apprentice learning the trade?

At what point does he go from independent blacksmith to ebil capitalist to the point where stealing his tools becomes morally defensible?
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>>128193886
They are, but it is best to not treat them as such
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>>128193867
Is it wrong?
Is that not why Jews are so rich?

Is it just (((pure coincidence))) that the most Jew dominated countries are also capitalist?
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According to gulag tattoos everything is wrong with communism
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>>128193983
>use value depends on the user
So why can markets not be allowed to compete and cater to different use values that differ between people?
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>>128180571
All marxists should be shot.
Get the fuck off of my board you stupid niggers.
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>>128193062

'Oy vey you'd be an idiot to not want to be reduced to a minority in your own country by third world detritus. The proles are just idiots who are scared of our hebrew genius, don't tell them that though, we need their backing, trust us ya dumb goy bastid'
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>>128194168

Nobody is falling for it, shlomo. You sound like a desperate try hard whose painfully aware your dusty old bullshit international worldview is irrelevant.

There is no equality, there can be no international proletariat. You are a burden on humanity.
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>>128194249
DESU it does seem like people ought to be able to exchange goods to each other based on who values each thing more. It's just common sense
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>>128194080
>I do not know what dialectical materialism is: the post

>>128194134
Well as I hoped you would gather from my post as this is exactly what I was trying to explain to you. The distinction is employing people to work on it.

>What if he pays a stake (not majority) to the worker?
But why would he do that? As we already know it's simply more profitable for a capitalist to employ wage-labourers rather than sacrifice some of his shares in the enterprise whenever he wants to take on a new employee.

And there's a name for a system where all workers are basically shareholders in a private enterprise, it's called market-socialism.

>What if the worker (and equityholder) does not feel exploited because the startup costs of buying an anvil are too steep for an apprentice learning the trade?
Well that's absurd because it already presupposes another capitalist-creation as a given. That being the idea of buying property. Socialism does not have such material relationships.

And for that matter it's even more absurd to consider that to be a reason why he's not being exploited by the system. He cannot afford to work independently so therefore he must sell his labour as a wage-labourer. This is precisely why wage-labour is exploitation and a glaring red-alert that you have indeed not read a single page of Marx.
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>>128194727
Not an argument.
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>>128186525
>toghetter we satnd side by sid for our people

Yeah,it happened exactly like that
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>>128183675
>Jews own all the moneys and bankz
>want to abolish money and bankzs

pick one

btw what if i told you that capitalism is filled with jewish intelelctuals? Friedman? Rand? Every heard of them?
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>>128195200

I am arguing that workers have more to lose than 'chains' imagined by some old jew who never worked a day in his life and you deserve to be thrown from a helicopter for being a burden on humanity. There is no such thing as equality, and the standardisation Marxism aspires towards can only be implemented through totalitarianism after useful idiots like you have just been shot.
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>>128195387
tru
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>>128195607
lol so mad
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>>128180571
Hi there, glad to see you here. Some serious questions from a somewhat disillusioned person, do you have ideas on how you would tackle these issues,
1) automated industry
2) greatly expanding population and services, infrastructure unable to cope
3) distribution of goods after so called centralisation, a huge failure of the Soviet Union was poor ability to distribute produce
4) appealing to a society now leaning further and further away from 'liberal and progressive' so called world view

Thanks if you respond
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>>128196358
He never actually answers those questions, he only leaves the thread here and occasionally posts a dumb meme
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>>128196058

I'm impressed, normally marxists don't stop bleating on about whatever nonsense theories they usually win idiots over with. You tried your hand at a few right wing memes to seem relevant and just bailed. The whole approach has changed.
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>>128182624
Faggot
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Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash
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>>128197056
lmao the guy you are quoting is an anarcho-communist
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>>128197056
>communism was founded by Marx
Is that even correct?
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>>128196358
>1) automated industry
The most basic idea of communism is that automated industry should benefit society as a whole rather than a few. i.e when new automation develops rather than half (for instance) of the workforce becoming unemployed everyone works half their previous hours for the same salary.
>2) greatly expanding population and services, infrastructure unable to cope
I don't think this is necessarily true. Given proper funding and efficient distribution of resources (e.g not inventing bullshit jobs to boost employment and subsequently consumption) we're more equipped than ever to sustain quality infrastructure.

However I think it may be worth considering to not allow so many immigrants, especially when in this current system jobs are finite and we need them to live.
>3) distribution of goods after so called centralisation, a huge failure of the Soviet Union was poor ability to distribute produce
I think at this point in time in developed western countries a market socialist system would suit us best. We could simply buy goods and services like we already do. Perhaps with the long term goal of gradually transitioning to a moneyless and 99% efficient system as information technology advances.
>4) appealing to a society now leaning further and further away from 'liberal and progressive' so called world view
For this reason I think NazBol is exactly what Europe needs. Radical left economics, radical right social views.
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>>128197391
No it isn't, he only founded marxism. Socialism and Communism as a concept did exist before Marx
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>>128180571

You know your general has failed when you're the only one who makes it every once in a while
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>>128196358
>1) automated industry
This mean people would have to work less or nothing at all in certain types of jobs, they would have more time for their hobbies or learning new professions that haven't been automated yet.

2) greatly expanding population and services, infrastructure unable to cope

Calculate the optimal population number for the given productive capacity,infrastructure and service then control the birth rate. Infrastructure and services should also improve accordingly, also factor into the equation the problem like global warming and pollution/destruction of ecosystems.

3) distribution of goods after so called centralisation, a huge failure of the Soviet Union was poor ability to distribute produce

In a global socialist republic with planned economy distribution would be as homogenized as possible but it would take time and resource capacity from new technologies to be able to distribute equally in all locations *say for example that we are mining asteroids and feeding all of the Earth with resources from space, this of course would take maybe centuries to achieve. Meanwhile some zones would necessarily receive less products than others by proximity if it is in exceeding demand.

4) appealing to a society now leaning further and further away from 'liberal and progressive' so called world view

I dont think liberalism and progressive people are reducing their number but ring wingers are more noisy than they were before, but is a matter of time liberals develop counterprotests. Anyway liberals are capitalists too, what we need is teach them actual marxian socialism that has been censored to them by the bourgeoisie media during all their life.
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You can not have a complex society without a bureaucracy to manage it.
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>>128180571
You disgrace all the peoples of Spain. I hope you and your family starve.
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>>128197446
Thanks, this is quality feedback, I think it's a shame there is not more respect between peop- oh wait, this is pol, after all...
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>>128198151
>>128197446

You have some nice Ideas, I like the idea that people would one day be comfortable enough to focus on something that betters themselves and others for the sake of growth. I don't know how you can achieve this, but Star Trek has been the only thing to my knowledge able to create sufficiently plausible lore to do it. I'm not saying it's impossible. Where I live in the U.K. It is terribly congested, in that the inner city is mostly residential, with housing and roads dating back at least a century. A relatively large city, with poor narrow roading surrounded by thousands of terraced homes, trying to accommodate road for a million residents many of whom travel by car to work. You can imagine how difficult it is accessing facilities, the traffic and pollution is appalling. My discontent is that the government has let the population grow out of control and failing us in city maintenance. Sheer incompetency and lack of interest in spending for the general well being of inhabitants. I don't think there is a party currently with the guts to head on face these issues and social issues, not the Labour Party or the Conservative party. Every path is a waste of time.
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>>128180571
I must say in all seriousness, that was brilliant sourcing and use of information. You really know what you're talking about in terms of communism. Great Job! On the subject of "what exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninist?" I am not a communist but according to what Marxist-Leninist would tell you communism is "Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
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>>128200314

I recommend you read if you haven't this book: "Towards a New Socialism"
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>>128180571
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

No it isn't.
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>>128196358
>when your ideology is so shit and can't gain any traction so you have to use proxies and brigading to try to gain fake support

Pathetic.
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>>128202816

>there is only one communist in /pol/
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>>128202201
his name is literaly cock-shott
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>>128202949

Reminder that Marx literally wrote poems dedicated to Satan. This is the man you're worshipping.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/1-LF/Hour_Of_The_Time_08122012-Marx_and_Satan.pdf
>Marx and Satan by Richard Wurmbrand
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>>128203499
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>>128180571
PAY DENBTS
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>>128202201
Thanks a lot for these and your valued responses
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>>128202816
You can't be serious?
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>>128180571
ur system would work if ppl didnt need to eat.
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daily reminder communists don't believe in private property so you can steal from them
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>>128203079
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>>128204035

But we believe in personal property
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>>128180571
Communism Doesn't Work.
Communism Has Never Worked.
Communism Will Never Work.
Communism Doesn't Work.

But... But... Shhhh!! Communism. Doesn't. Work.
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According to him this is not kool bro
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>>128187803
An Italian Plumber, High As Fuck Eating Mushrooms, could come up with a better ideology that communism.. Just saying..
Communism. Doesn't. Work.
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>>128180571
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>>128205887
Saved
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Stop shitposting on my board you commie cuck.
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>>128190470
Are ussr cigarettes accounted for or not?
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>>128205872
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u dumb commie, get out
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>>128186582
I have a real problem with this shit. How will the statw just "wither away"? Will they all just suddenly decide to pack up and go home? Such a retarded fucking concept.
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>>128190470
>Khmer Rogue (not communist)
So what are they then?
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>>128207209
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>128207209
You wish !
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How about instead of being retarded in the west here how about you commie fucks go to a socialist/communist country and try to make the perfect utopia over there. The hundred million plus retards should theoretically make an improvement to the country of your choice by sheer numbers alone. And you shouldn't have to worry about money food or housing because of the whole "To each their needs" schlock right?
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>>128207710
They were communist.

>Mass executions
>Torture centres
>Child soldiers
>Mass starvation

Everyone is equal!

>Pol pot drives past in a new Mercedes
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>>128207775
That thinking involves logic, you don't talk to Communists you just make fun of them because they are potatoes, which is ironic because to many Communists go without food, you know because of "Paradise"
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>>128208152
I mean that's what I thought. And the worst kind of communism (agrarian socialism) which just doubles the misery and their only god is the Angkar (big brother).
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It's not famine until the woman eat there own children (((they))) said ... you know what does that ? Fucking cockroaches!!!
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>>128208434
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>>128186177

This may be the most uninformed image on the internet.
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>>128210526
Sûre bro what ever you said..
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>communist morals
Subjective morals, based on feelings and sophistry
>communist economics
Dogmatic definitions of what labor is; no intellectual labor, easy tasks cannot be labor
Dogmatic definition of value; it is human suffering
Backwards understatement of economic growth; prohibiting investments will somehow improve the economy
>communist philosophy
I deserve the entire planet thus property is stealing from me
Someone making investments and hiring me for a higher wage than I could otherwise get alone is exploitation

Commies literally got it wrong in almost every single intellectual pursuit they engaged in. It's the polar opposite of libertarians; which are considered sensible on every point of view.
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