Serious thread: The origins of blue eyes

Where are gray eyes on the shitskin scale?

>/pol
>Serious thread
kek

all blue-eyed people have a common ancestor who lived 10,000 years ago near the Black Sea...
http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/origin-blue-eyes

so if you have blue eyes too, we're related :)

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blue eyes popped up among yamna people and they spread it through Europe 5000 years ago

Nigga blue eyes were actually a mutation that happened a shit long time ago when somebodies eyes weren't able to accept melanin. How is this even relevant ?

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>>128181026
>blue eyes popped up among yamna people
utterly wrong, blue eyes were already present among mesolithic western foragers(oldest confirmed is 14k years old)
Yamnaya people were mostly brown eyed

>>128179943
I mean light eyes and hair aren't unique to Europeans, Turks, Arabs, and some east Asian peoples have been known to have naturally red hair while the former two sometimes have light eyes. As for how these genes became so widespread while at the same time being nearly completely excluded from Africa and Oceania, my thoughts are that the mutation probably first arose somewhere in the near east and spread from there.

The reason light eyes was more widespread among European populations is that they had less sunlight to deal with as light eyes make you more sensitive to light which is a problem for bother Arabic and Asian peoples who developed specific mutations (long eyelashes and slanted eyes) to deal with bright lights even with dark eyes, considering that light eyes is a pretty big downside. So red hair and green eyes survived in asia while in Europe some humans mutated even further developing blue eyes and blonde hair which were still acceptable mutations since sunlight wasn't as much of an issue and the traits are generally seen as attractive for reasons unknown.

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>>128181026

but that's so 100% completely wrong that you MUST be trying to bait me, right?

Nobody is THIS retarded, right?

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>hurr durr blue eyes

>>128181468

They're unique to indigenous euros (hunter gatherers without IndoEu ancestry) in that they were 100% light eyed. Maybe there is some other ancient population with 100%, but I don't know of it.

We can assume that light eyes are "good", as long as they have a low-sun environment to permit them.

So people who were, say, 5% blue eyed went into europe, and dark climate permitted selection to occur to 100%. In Arabia/India, sunlight prevented light eyes from becoming widespread.

This still begs the question of why north Asians and Siberians lack light eyes. Was it just a random mutation that happened after the Asian-Caucasoid split?

im romanian, my dads eyes are blue mine are lightbrown. Blue eyes are cool I guess however, in Romania blonde guys are considered feminine.

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>>128179943
Here

>>128182909
>in that they were 100% light eyed.
Do you have any source for this?
>Was it just a random mutation that happened after the Asian-Caucasoid split?
Odds are the population was so small that when splits happened either the new groups had no light eyed people or the light eyed people's genes were bred out. Beyond that Siberia and Alaska are very hard places to survive meaning that traits that were only a minor downside further south could make the difference between life and death in the frozen Tundra or Boreal forests.

>>128182949
Get out

>>128183931
suck my cock you worthless piece of shit, you're living off my taxes and you have the balls to say that. Get off your couch you pussy bitch.

>>128179943
Blue eyes are the ultimate sign of a weak bitch. I respect no man with blue eyes

>>128184876
Stop using your computer and internet, nigger.

>>128182093
Do t*rds think they're mediterranean or european?

>>128185573
>t. blue eyed subhuman

Explain to me why the most cucked countries are the blue eyed countries? Blue eyes are indicators of weak men. This is why the most liberal and cucked Euro nations are blue eye nations, compared to the superior brown eyed Meds. Blue eyes and blonde hair are feminine, always have been

>>128183316
>East Bulgaria, Romania and Greece has darker eyes than Anatolia
What does it mean?

>>128186050
Weak bait, nigger.

>>128182093

WE WUZ GREEKS N SHIEEEEEET

Turkey, current year

>>128186324
Niggers and arabs.

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>>128179943
what happens here??

>>128186937
Ashkenazis carry huge amount of European genes.

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>>128179943
>we wuz blue eyes an sheeeit

>>128186937
Polish colony.

>>128179943

So where do green eyes come from? I'm blond having green eyes.

>>128181026
That's wwwwrrrrrooong.
It originates in Black Sea coast.

>>128186937

golonialism :DDD

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All nations that aren't in the most-blue category are an abomination. That includes you too Germany. You filthy mutts.

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where do green eyes fit in to all of this what are the %s on them?

>>128179943
>he doesn't know that blue eyes were simply raped out of existence in the middle east...
Fun fact: blue eyed sex slaves were, and still are, in very high demand. The fact that both parents must carry the gene for blue eyes means that it is breed out of a population relatively quick when it is in the minority.

It could have originated anywhere in the world and the results would have been pretty much the same.

are there really people on this board right now who dont have blonde hair and blue eyes??

>>128187899
>>128188650
Somewhere down the line, one of your blue eyed ancestors fucked a nigger and they got poop-blue eyes

t. green eyes

>>128182093
Don't be jealous, poo eyes.

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>>128188650
Celts

>>128182093
So now you' think you're apart of the med race after parading as Turkic Asians for 600 years and persecuting true Anatolian meds for hundreds of years. Turds are fucked in the head

>>128189125
not true, a lot of people, especially women, get green eyes from double blue-eyed parents. green eyes are rarer than blue.

im a rape baby

t. hazel (brown/green)

>>128183316
feels good

Blue eyed faggots were civilized by dark haired dark eyed aryans.

>>128179943
In Brazil there was some neighbours black african with no trait of any mixing and all the males had stunning blue eyes. Father and three sons.

>>128191403
What about the mother?

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>>128191170
>this triggers poojeet

>>128180468
>roach
>human

kek

>>128182093
why would i want shitlocks on my head?

>>128191541
I didnt see any women with blue eyes around them, and was there six months, dont know who the mother or sisters were but I guess therefore they didnt have blue eyes.

>>128190341

You're less of a rape baby. Those humans in Britain with any hair color other than brown or red are rape babies of Danes and normans

>>128191555
only paki tier spanish arab-rapebabies think it's offensive. Go back to kneeling before the statue of the whore and kike son, santiago.

>>128181026
Light pigmentations in Europe have increased in frequency over time. The Vargian theory of "once all blond&blueeyed" is wrong and the reality is that Proto-Germanics may have actually been a bit darker than Viking Era Scandinavians.

>>128191675
>>128191794
butthurt'd

>>128191555
The Indus valley civilization predates the Indo-European migration. Hate to tell you Pablo but Dravidians founded civilization in the Indian subcontinent, not Aryans.

so you're telling me we have bluer eyes than Italy and Sain?

>>128192978
*Spain

>>128193034
>implying thats difficult

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>>128192978
the ashkenazi jews probably pull the number up in Israel by being eastern europeans?

>>128193553
Eastern Europeans in general are more genetically distant from Middle Easterners.

>>128193553
well most askhenazi are Polish/Belorussians so it makes sense

>>128193851
That would make Ashkenazi Jews one of the most genetically European population the world, which is obviously false.

>>128193974
well im askhenazi and i have blue eyes

>>128193974
they're basically mixed jew and pole/belorussian.

>>128179943

Melanesians have blond hair and blue eyes too

>>128183316

East Morroco is whiter than most of Italy fucking kek

>>128194208
>mixed jew
Ashkenazi Jews ARE Jews, with a history of their own. Mixed Jew/Poles are not Ashkenazi Jews.

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>>128182093
>roach

>>128180841
>>128181026
Wrong and wronger

We have a Blue eyed individual from 14000BC in Italy, we have someone around the same time period in Goergia who was brown eyed byt carried genes for blue eyes that wasnt even close to related to him either. That means blue eyes might be tens of thousands of years old

>>128194208
>>128194100
>>128193851
Studies show that askhenazi are most similar to Italians and Greeks when it comes to genetics, not Slavs. The vast majority of them are descendant from Roman converts, and the Slav/German admixture is not as distinct as their South European genetics.

>>128195175
so how do you explain the blue eyes thing?

>>128195336
Northern Italians have blue eyes too, and I would guess that askhenazi with blue eyes have recent slav/germanic ancestors too. It's not like the frequency of blue eyes in Israel is super high.

>>128195336
Jews went through a bottleneck after Roman times which is also why red hair is relatively frequent in them.

>>128195571
well askhenazi are about 40% in Israel

>>128195707
You mean the make up 40% of the population? Or that 40% of them have light eyes?

>>128179943
Blue eyes originated in all Europe but brown eyes dominated all agricultural societies, while blue eyes dominated in less agricultural areas such as Scandinavia.

>>128179943
Lactase persistence allele in the italian sample is so low it doesn't seem very realistic here everyone drinks milk

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>>128183316
Am I counted in light eyes?

I am iberian btw

>>128195912
>>128195707
>In the Middle East and North Africa light eyes reach an average of 8%, with 18% in Lebanon, 15% in Armenia and Syria, 13% in Israel, 8% in Iran, 5% in Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Iraq, as well as 3% in Saudi Arabia.
In any case, google told me this. This seems about right, but I guess I'm a bit surprised it is so high in Syria, Lebanon and Armenia.

>>128179943
Blue eyes originate in Estonia

/Thread

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>>128194638
source?

>>128195571
even southern italians have blue eyes

>>128196238
That Black Sea theory dates to 2008. Ancient genomes after 2008 proved it wrong, namely Villabruna18 (12,000BC).

>>128185888
Asian.

>>128196728
thanks, will check

>>128196164
That's where the original tribe Ashkenas (laborers-in-the-earth, roughly, the ones whom Christ calls God's Chosen People) settled. These are considered the biblical ancestors of the Germanics, hence why Jews always insist they're Germans around foreigners.

>>128181026
fucking wrong, it was the other way aruond

>>128196985
Many thought it was already wrong when La Brana 1 was sequenced in 2014, because how could a 7000-year-old man end up in Spain with no genes from the Caucasus, so it must have been there earlier.

>>128196155
kek i love how they call indians "hispanics" or "latinos"

>>128196477
Yea I know, I just assumed it's at a lower rate than the ones in the North. I grew up around a lot of Italian Americans and plenty had blue eyes

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>>128179943
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth

>DNA taken from the wisdom tooth of a European hunter-gatherer has given scientists an unprecedented glimpse of modern humans before the rise of farming. The Mesolithic man, who lived in Spain around 7,000 years ago, had an unusual mix of blue eyes, black or brown hair, and dark skin, according to analyses of his genetic make-up.

Varg BTFO

>>128198391
Always remember to archive
>https://theguardian com/science/2014/jan/26/swarthy-blue-eyed-caveman-dna-tooth
https://archive.is/v7Z3y

>>128198391
>dark skin
I don't personally buy that. Skin alleles are not so well-known that we can safely say people living on northern latitudes were "dark."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da6WP22CscY

>>128199080
Skip to 13:50.

>>128198391
How is he btfo here?

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>>128179943
>Israel

>>128181468
>>128182909
After looking into this, there are no confirmed scientific advantages for light eyes and multiple disadvantages. The only advantage to light eyes seems to be they make the person more attractive, possibly due to apparent pupil size.
>>128192491
>>128198391
>>128199846
Whenever I look anything up from Varg it turns out to be wrong. Varg mentioned some bullshit about light eyes being resistant to snow blindness but that is false, which happens with a lot of the things the tries to pass off as fact. Even when he sites books, they aren't available online and contradict every other historical source.

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>>128198391
When they say dark they mean pic related

>>128196155
Bretty dark ones, desu.

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>>128179943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVPIGA-HIRo

>>128200937

Don't underestimate the advantages of being attractive, it can mean preferential treatment from parents (especially important for toddlers), and more opportunities to mate upwards in terms of SES.

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>>128198391

That's literally a drawing of my face.

>>128207062
woah, Basque?

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>>128202144
Most spaniards have a fairer skin tone tho. Pic related is normal in Catalonia, Galicia, etc. The blue eyes are not average, but not strange at all either.

I hope you don't think spaniards look anywhere near the examples of Varg lol

>>128207392
y

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>>128207537
Yeah, a very fair skin mutation came out of east Europe thousands of years ago and it spread across the rest Europe. And since there has been a lot of migration and resettling since then.

>>128207062
>99.9%

Fuck off nigger

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>>128179943

>>128183898
>Do you have any source for this?

see: >>128181981

both indigenous west euros and indigenous scandinavians were 100% for the major light eye mutation.

Aryans were about 10%, meaning they were 99% dark eyed.

>>128185573
>Stop using your computer and internet, nigger.

gonna play devil's advocate here for a minute, and say that the majority of tech innovation came from dark eyed inhabitants of Germany/England.

>>128188841

And you don't know how genes work. The Aryans were unanimously dark eyed, but modern Europeans have huge amounts of light eyes.

They weren't raped out of existence, they were either de-selected, or never naturally widespread in the middle east.

Why are /pol/keks so obsessed with blue, depressive eyes and semen skin?

>>128192491

>light pigmentation increased over time.

Not completely true. The indigenous europeans had the highest proportion of light eye genes.

This allele frequency dropped when west Asians migrated in, and later when dark eyed Indoeuropeans conquered the mainland.

After the mixing was said and done, then light pigmentation increased over time, yes.

>>128196021

lactase persistence isn't lactose tolerance

Additionally, there are multiple alleles for lactase persistence.

>>128200937
>After looking into this, there are no confirmed scientific advantages for light eyes and multiple disadvantages. The only advantage to light eyes seems to be they make the person more attractive, possibly due to apparent pupil size.
Which is why they would only arise in large numbers in areas where light eyes aren't a big disadvantage. Light eyes can still exist in regions where it is a disadvantage (see: Asia, central Asia, and the middle east) bur generally at lower rates.

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>>128179943
What about green?

>>128199080

Odds are it was true. Obviously they weren't BLACK, but they were much darker than your average modern European.

Modern northern hunters (Inuit/Siberians/etc) have relatively darkish skin. In addition, only two genes can explain half the color difference between blacks and whites.

There's also plenty of individuals of 100% European ancestry who have noticeably darker skin. And it usually correlates with a more "indigenous" or less "caucasoid" look (at least in north euros) random example: http://blog.pebblegrey.co.uk/get-the-look-cara-delevingne/

>>128198391
my ancestors :)

>>128181026
stop using this retarded phenotype classification you mong, we have genetics now
>inb4 (((genetics)))

also
>WE WUZ ARYANS N SHIET

>>128212266

There is at least one confirmed advantage: https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/aps/45566

"In a study involving 58 pregnant women -- 24 with dark-colored eyes and 34 with light-colored eyes -- those with lighter eyes achieved greater reductions in postpartum anxiety (P=0.02), depression (P=0.08), and catastrophizing/rumination (P=o.15)"

This fits well into the general "maternal" or "female" associated view of blue eyes.

So part of their fitness was probably that light eyed women underwent less stress, and were thus able to give birth more times.

>>128191555
>be culturally enriched Spain
>benefit from Renaissance and pre-enlightenment thought of Italian, French, German, Dutch, etc. neighbors
>fall ass-backwards into unfathomable amounts of Aztec gold
>use gold to create almost two entire of violent, savage, 85 IQ raepbabbies because muh spacejew savior's glory
>contribute absolute fuck-all scientific or technological advancements despite centuries of global military and economic supremacy
>lose it all to a bunch of island niggers with coal
>spend the next 300 years shitposting retarded bullshit
is Spain the new Canada?

>>128216516

northwest europe was outbred quickly. This is supposedly why the majority of european achievement comes from England/German/north Italy and the areas in between.

>>128217814

By outbred, I mean that cousin-marriage was prohibited, so the population underwent eugenics by lessening the amount of inbreeding.

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bullshit

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>>128207062
You are Iber.
Am I Iber tell me Tribal chieftain.
I was mission colonial tribe..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gcFK1EblalQ

>>128207392

This guy has very little to do with the Basque. He was an indigenous western hunter.

The Basque are simply west Asian farming people who weren't IE paternalized.

They got conquered by IEs like the rest of Europe, but IE men never settled down there, so Basque language never fell out of favor.

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>>128220261
My tribe...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xaRNvJLKP1E

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>>128179943

Earth was a Joint Colonization.

[Blacks had/have Africa]

[Whites had/have Europe]

[Asians had/have Asia]


http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

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>>128221637
actually earth is an ay lmao psy op frank

>>128179943
Post qt Cambodians with blue eyes pls

>>128189876
You are not wrong.

>>128182093
>nd. The fact that both parents must carry the gene for blue eyes means that it is breed out of a population relatively quick when it is in the minority.
>It could have originated anywhere in the world and the results would have been pretty much the same.

Awww thats cute, the shitskin Turk thinks he's a Greek…