SINGLE PAYER CALIFORNIA

This is going to be great for Nevada and Arizona.

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>>128171268
I will kill myself is this passes. I'm so fucking sick of this

>>128171825
C'mon dude! Those illegals need free health care!

>>128171268
lmao what a disgusting fucking shithole. i wish calexit was real.

>>128171268
>free single-payer
"free" means that everyone in any form of legal employment must pay into the ponzi
"single-payer" means that instead of being a customer, the patient becomes a user AKA a piece of shit

what follows is a patient's rights law that states all entitlements; once commifornianon has a non-emergency medical condition, he will see just how nice a single-payer state monopoly is; to make matters worse, on such occasions anon that gives a fuck about his health will have to go private and that means paying 100%

SOCIALISM KILLS

>>128171268
Complete fucking insanity. There's no way the numbers work. Costs will skyrocket, and every illegal alien in the Americas will flock here for treatments. And CA is already basically bankrupt, with billions in unfunded pension obligations.

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>>128171268
THEY'RE GOING TO JUST MIGRATE TO TEXAS, PLEASE FUCKING STOP THIS!

>>128171268
>$105 billion
I'm going to assume they came up with this figure by counting only U.S. citizens and not all of the illegals who will be leeching off of it too.

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>>128172076
STOP IT JERRY, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT

>>128172196
Maybe if they flock there, they'll stay. Might not be so bad after all

>>128172196
I know, i love cali for offering to take our mexishits and give them free health care

>>128172381
His aura smiles and never frowns!

>>128171268
>every Californian to free single-payer healthcare in exchange for 15% less jobs, 2.3% theft of all your money, and 2.3% less new companies to work for while only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.
Ftfy

>>128171825
You don't like your employer sending you to the prison hospital for a primary care doctor?

>>128172381
Think of all the paper work we'll save by giving big daddy government more tax money! I'm sure the numbers will work out somehow :)

>>128171683
An influx of Californians doesn't benefit anyone.

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>>128171825
>still living in commiefornia

cant wait until the state goes bankrupt

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>>128172900
This. I'm hoping Nevada gets the brunt of it because they're blue-er and further from those icky brown people they love so much.

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>>128172981
I only stay here cause my family lives in the state and they get really fucking uptight when I talk about moving away. Also my job is pretty much only out here with the other branch being in New York where I won't be able to live.

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I can't wait for that shit hole to implode.

I kind of want it to pass to serve as example of how single payer systems don't work and how much of a disaster it will be.
But then I remember that leftists will just say it's shortcomings are because of a "lack of funding" instead of central planning just being a bad idea in general

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>>128172981
>tfw even though you hate california you realize it's a quarantine cell for all the libfags because no matter what there will always be libfags, but if we pop the balloon so to speak all the shit will spread to the rest of the states

>>128171268
wuz he kangz of healtcarz and shieeeet?

>>128172192
>socialism kills
aside from all the countries where it doesn't.

>>128171683
They're spreading like islamists
>destroy home country
>devout followers leave
>devout followers spread religion and destroy their new country

>>128173794
oh you mean those "socialist" countries that have been loosening their captial controls and increasing their investments since the 1980's? lmao bernietards are so fucking stupid it makes me cringe. i wish every single bernie supporter could be rounded up and dropped in venezuela.

>>128173794
Name one. And I'll show you relative survival rates.

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>>128172981
>family lives here
>best weather in the nation
>live in a relatively conservative part of california
>too lazy to move

Honestly, the worst part about living here is the fucking cost of living and absurd barrier to entry for almost any job. It took me a year of applying around to get a job at some fucking mall DQ.

ITT people too poor to live in California

Stay irrelevant and jealous

I'll enjoy living 2 blocks from the beach in my 1.5 million dollar home

310 represent

Oh god yes. Hopefully libfags flock there en masse. Since our representation isn't completely proportional we'll have us a conservative revival in actual America while they suffer and die.

CALI WALL WHEN?

>>128174293
>I'm entitled to live in California despite not being credentialed enough to get a good job

>>128174363
get ready for even more freeloaders.

>>128174363
Kek. Enjoy your new taxes and mandatory refugee roommates faggot.

>>128174481
I worked hard enough early in life to get where I'm at

I'm willing to pay another 30 grand or so in taxes to help people out who weren't gifted with a decent brain or work ethic

I don't need the money

>>128171268
>http://archive.is/QEZ4m
Not going to happen. The article says why, at the end:

"Even if the bill is approved, it has to go to Gov. Jerry Brown, who has been skeptical, and then voters would have to exempt it from spending limits and budget formulas in the state Constitution. In addition, the state would have to get federal approval to repurpose existing funds for Medicare and Medicaid."

Change the State Constitution? This is exactly where this will die. There's enough republicans in the state to kill this dead right there. Even IF they get that done, Washington, with Trump in Office, will never fund this.

This is hopes and dreams and a complete waste of everyone's time.

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>>128174072
Yes, the Scandinavian countries have fewer regulations than the US, so there's more money to tax.

>that budget
I always remember the people who do the legwork, that is the people who make the money to tax. Some of the best and brightest, laboring under one of the most corrupt and ineffective state governments. Would be interesting if the middle class got a figurative Trump and overhauled everything.

>>128173794
not a single one of your scandi utopias have it on a sustainable level nor cover the demand for timely top-notch 21st century diagnostics+treatment

only envious useless people support this shit

lol what the fuck would sales tax be there? like 15%?

>>128172192
>anon that gives a fuck about his health will have to go private and that means paying 100%
wrong, he is paying 200%
100% of his cal-faggot health care
and
100% of his private HC

>>128174293
>>128174474
It's because the government makes it very expensive to employ someone legally, and doesn't punish companies for employing illegal immigrants. So young people struggle to get basic work experience, and the illegals talk down to us about "taking jobs nobody else would take" yeah right.

>>128171268
Fuck. Now even more retarded fucking California fucks are going to move to Colorado.

Fuck off californians. Just fucking die.

>>128175017
Yeah I'm sure Chevron and Boeing and Google are employing tons of Mexicans as engineers and that's why you can't get a job

Here's a tip: Go to college and get an employable degree

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>>128174685
Believe me, knowing this state, they'll find a way. They will.

>>128172695
A 15% increase in payroll will translate to greater than 15% job losses. How much so depends on the elasticity of the demand for labor in Cali. My guess is that it's quite fucking elastic.

>>128175337
It's the opposite, actually

>>128171268
>15% payroll
>2.3% sales
Hope this covers bullets to the brain, cause im going to fucking shoot myself.

>>128175688
Please go

We don't want you here

>>128175279
college is for limp-wristed faggots that are looking to be bent-over and indoctrinated by marxist genderless sociopaths.

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>>128175279
>going to college in california
>going to college in general when we're in an era where a dead nigger can be awarded a free BA

>>128175817
yeah more illegals are better

>>128171268
Never going to be implemented. California is too fucking broke. I run a cannabis dispensary, this is how Prop 64 aka AUMA is going so far after it got passed last year.
>Where's the applications for permits?
>Coming soon
>What are the regulations?
>Coming soon
>We need permits for every process (Growing, testing, transport, selling, storing)?
>Yes
>But that's insane
>I guess so, never mind, just one permit
>How much?
>idk... coming soon
>When's the sunset date for applications?
>2019?
>What?!
>We'll figure it out by then

>>128171268
>2.3% sales tax

Is that an increase from whatever there is now or does CA not have a sales tax? Also, what are insurance companies saying about this?

>>128172198
Nah Texas has the sanctuary state law going into effect. They'll spread to Oregon and Washington. Never stop an enemy from making a mistake.

>>128171825
Do it with bang, faggot.

>>128175441
No it isn't actually...have you even taken an Econ course? Because I have an Econ degree.

>>128175279
Reread >>>128174293

Anon was applying for entry-level jobs. Growing up in flyover country, I was offered additional work while I was at work. Doesn't happen in california, teenagers struggle while illegal immigrants work under the table.

>>128175279
>Here's a tip: Go to college and get an employable degree
That's sure easy to do when you are discriminated against in college admissions to make room for illegal immigrants or their children.
Also them getting the scholarship money as a "disadvantaged minority" doesn't help poor whites go to school.

>>128171268
>free
>while only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.
>LOL

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>>128176453
>a dead nigger can be awarded a free BA

>>128176605
CA's sales tax already fluctuates from 7.25% to fucking 10%

>>128172192
>free" means that everyone in any form of legal employment must pay

As opposed to our current system?

Worry about your own third world shithole instead of encouraging us to join you faggot

>>128171268
Sounds like one fuck of a deal...I hope they actually follow through with it, 15% tax hike is ginormas...

>>128177206
don't forget all the other taxes californians deal with

they just approved a huge fucking gas tax increase, they already have huge property taxes, and even without this single payer healthcare system they will have one of the highest income tax rates in the nation

>>128176919
University of California has quotas for hispanic students in the incoming freshman class. I know this from someone who works there. The universities do a strange waltz where they can have quotas, they can't have quotas, they can have quotas if they don't talk about them, etc.

I don't see how one could go wrong with engineering, though. You can always find work in the "defense" industry, assuming you can get security clearance.

>>128177488
>even without this single payer healthcare system they will have one of the highest income tax rates in the nation
It's actually the highest

>>128177563
>You can always find work in the "defense" industry, assuming you can get security clearance.

At that rate, you may as well join the Navy. Nukes make fucking bank both in military and civilian jobs.

>>128177685
guess it's gonna get even higher

illegals ain't cheap, gotta pay up goy

>>128174450
>misunderstanding Cali liberals this much

They dont actually want to pay for any of this shit, its all for social justice points. The moment this passes every news media source will be inundated with screaming liberals proclaiming their proud victory in the struggle against living wages, poverty and racism. Then they will get the bill and complain that it costs too much, the cost will be directly linked to illegals. Cali liberals will then be faced with a dilemma, admit illegals are a problem and the system doesnt work or do nothing in the name of equality while you pack up and move to another state where you can berate the locals for not having as many social justice points as you. This passes and every other state will be swarmed by Cali liberals fleeing the sinking ship they poked holes in, they will then vote for the same shit that sank CA because "good intnetions"

>>128177288
you voted the nigger in, not me
I have single-payer monopoly and, while there are certain ways around having to pay into it, everyone's experience using it is shit

no comment on your new worlder mongrel little brain

>>128178111
They're going to try and get it passed state by state until they can get single payer nation wide.

This has been their strategy for fag marriage and pot.

>>128178111
Cancer with metastis basically. What are the chances of Cali going down? Their economy is pretty big.

>>128171268
>increasing the deficit by
Stopped reading right there

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>>128171268

>only 105 billion

Wew

>>128171268
>only 105 billion to the deficit
hey socialists maybe it would be better not to go into to debt to run your entitlement programs. get that tax rate up come on the workers don't deserve to keep their money.

>>128175279
They employ hb1 visa chinks and poos to work for what half an American would make

>>128171683
fuck you. nevada is already chaotic enough with these retards not knowing how to drive. plus our dry heat makes them all leave in the summer . now texas on the other hand.

>>128178385
The federal government will just bail them out with printed money if need be.
They are luck to still have the tech industry that produces so much income, along with very fertile farmland. Eventually they'll bankrupt themselves via public works and entitlements spend. Then come bitch a moan about unity in congress and get a bailout plan passed, which everyone else will have to pay for. They'll probably have the FED print a few trillion to fill their coffers

>>128178803
Because they can't find Americans who can do that work... even though they need Americans to train their replacements... hmmm

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>>128172198
WHOA Son! Don't think you're authorized to have that illegal weapon of war. Please place that illegal firearm on the ground and step back sir.

>>128171825
leave to arizona moron. hell,i dare say colorado.

>>128173551
>what is Austin
>what is Portland
>what is Seattle
>what is Colorado
They're already jumping ship.

>>128172196
If it becomes anything like Canada's system, they shouldn't be able to. Every citizen of the province receives a "health card" essentially an ID that proves you are entitled to state funded health care. No health card, or atleast the number on it, and your walking out of the office with the bill.

Of course the US will Fuck this up with muh rayciss Id laws though

>>128176917
This. I live in ca, and a lot of the people I work with have teenagers, who are desperate to find part time jobs. They're either denied, because illegals do the work (busboy, cutting lawns, stockrooms, etc), or the jobs are fill with laid off middle aged people. The traditional jobs for teenagers have disapeared. Fast food, pizza delivery, it's all done by immigrants or illegals now, or older people working 3 jobs so they don't get foreclosed on.
I've had a LOT of conversations with these people, who complain their kids are lazy and aren't trying hard enough to get a job, making bullshit statements like "I could walk out of here right now and get a job delivering papers." No, you can't dude, all those routes are now done by Mexicans in trucks. One lady chimed in that her kid went around their neighborhood asking if they could cut people's grass, and they got threatened by the illegal crew who 'own" that neighborhood.

I started working as a teen in CA in the 80's. Jobs were there, it was not hard to find part time or full time work. These days? Good fucking luck, if you're white, and a teenager. All of their jobs have been taken over - that's why it makes sense for a lot of them to go online and try to make a few bucks on Twitch or YouTube. I feel bad for them. They're fucked, no matter what - no jobs before college, have to go 50-100K in debt, no jobs when they graduate, and the state is threatening to tax them more to pay for boondoggles like this health care plan - AND they're expected to buy someone else's grandpa's house for a 700% profit (or more) for grandpa, and be in debt the rest of their lives.

If it weren't for Hollywood, this state would have BKed a long time ago, and stopped electing liberals.

>>128175253

Even if I vote red, grew up in the country homeschooled and live traditionally? I didn't choose to be born here, need out and will work. I'm genuinely curious if the rest of the country hates ALL californians (totally fair if they do).

>>128178803
And because most of these people are educated in their home countries with little to no debt, so they can afford to work for less.

>>128179083
Californians would be miserable in Arizona. Definitely no Californians should move to Arizona. Maybe Washington?

>>128171268
It's also being extended to illegal immigrants and people that want tranny surgeries. It's gonna cost the state twice than it's annual budget. It didn't work in Vermont and it won't work in CA.

>>128179387
Washington has tons of Californians already

15% payroll tax aka AY YO I DON'T OWN A BUSINESS SO WHO CARES LMAO ALSO FUCK BUSINESS OWNERS

>>128171825
You know what to do, anon.
Pack your things and move to a uncucked swing state.

>>128179318
I can't wait to pull back to the Rockies, wait 20 years, and swoop in to buy the pieces. Going to suck for the people that stay though.

>>128177488
If there's one thing to look for, is them trying to repeal Prop 13 for this. They miss out on billions in property taxes because of prop 13, and they desperately want to get rid of it.

Imagine if, starting next year, January 1st, we have property taxes like NY, on overpriced $1 million dollar homes in the Bay Area and Los Angeles.

Brown and Co. are dumb enough and desperate enough to do it. If they start talking prop 13 - head for the state border.

>only 105 billion per year

And guess who will have to bail out California when they can't afford to even clean their own sewer waste. All the other states and tax payers that have a balanced budget.

So either they agree to not ask for a bail out down the road or this has to go through the house and Senate.

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>>128178111


It's true, I work at a gas station here in WA, and a third of our customers have LA tattoos on their knuckles and pussy beards, not tough guy beards. Hard to explain what a pussy beard is.

Coincidentally our real estate is skyrocketing. Their calling Snohomish county Snohomeless. they aren't really, but they should.

>>128179724
shit im glad I left after I graduated

>>128179318
Somethings happening in California. My HR guy says companies are freaking out in California and quickly filling out I-9 forms. There's a sweep coming and the illegals are going to be exposed. Companies are already trying to cover their asses

>>128171268
>only $105 billion.
based cali-cucks.
Nevada is one state over with ZERO state tax.

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>>128178288

The best you can hope for is being mistaken for a Russian and getting the misplaced respect and fear usually reserved for Russians.

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>>128171268
I going to support this, because it'll screw-over California and make an example out of them.

>>128179318
I agree, a couple other industries are Silicon Valley and wine, these are the "Atlases" who bear the government on their shoulders.

Somehow the asian-owned businesses get away with hiring only other asians.

>I started working as a teen in CA in the 80's. Jobs were there, it was not hard to find part time or full time work.
So how did things change, just a bunch of illegal immigrants?

>>128171268
Dude, what the fuck? This is the single most retarded thing I've seen California do in the last 12 days, though that's not saying much.

>>128171268
>(((Free)))
>15% payroll tax, 2.3% sales tax and 2.3% gross receipts tax

Nice try, shill.

>>128171268
15% as in California takes an additional 15% of your income in addition to whatever the IRS takes?

>>128171683
Nevada is already getting business from tesla, apple, microsoft, hiromia,igt,SNC, etc... more for the nevadans soon I suppose.

>>128178953
oh look, another shit head pushing the "texas is getting flooded by cali-commies" lie.

besides austin, which is the designated communist/hippie containment zone, texas is as red as ever. with The Great Wall covering FAR more of texas than any other state, that will only make it even deeper red.

shut the fuck up and stop pontificating about my state you uneducated, ignorant, gas huffing retard.

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>>128171268
>a new 15% payroll tax
holy shit that can't be right

>>128180694
Payroll tax in the USA is taxes payed by the employer based on the employees income.

>>128171268
Current CA tax rate for anyone making less than 268K a year is 9.3%.

this is effectively a doubling of taxes for low and medium income households.

For people making $500k or more, it's about a 2.7% increase in taxes.

This bill is designed to relegate anyone who isn't on gibs or a millionaire into serfdom, and will result in a MASSIVE exodus.

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>>128171268
great now more califags are going to come to Houston and cuck it up. Harris County is already turning blue

It's called Commiefornia for a reason.

>>128181003
fuck off you self hating mexican.

>>128171268
Why are you fighting this? Let the system crumble. Move if you're unhappy. Who gives a fuck

If I'm "entitled" to it does that mean it's optional to keep my 15% and not pay the extra sales tax?

I get good insurance through my work

>>128174363
Fucking faggot
My house in laguna beach is 8.5 mill, now I have to reconsider starting a family here or selling the house, buying a loft in LA and moving the rest to Texas

>>128181212
its not "change to 15%" its "what you pay now, PLUS 15%"

>>128181003
Supposedly mexi drug cartels have spilled over into McAllen. Wall needed yesterday.

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>>128171268
>only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year
>only $105 billion

Burgers can't into economy.

>>128181120
Thanks for correcting my ignorance.

>>128181350
The tax is payed by your employeer based on your wages/salary. Business will raise prices, or lower wages, or leave the state to compensate.

>>128171268
JEFFERSON UPRISING WHEN!

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>>128181258
1. your projection is obvious
2. not an argument
3. stay mad little bitch boy

>>128179297
colorado here. can confirm an alarming rise in liberal hipsters moving here in recent years. we shot down our faggy state healthcare bill though. my biggest concern is all these non-natives supporting a CO winter olympic games...that would do permanent damage to our state and i would probably fucking move to new mexico if it happened.

>>128181688
Oh payroll tax. I mistook it for income tax. Still horse shit

>>128181697

I'm up here in 707. Just move, nothing is getting better here.

PSA:
Payroll tax: Payed by employeer based on your earnings (employers will lower your wage or raise prices because of it).
Income tax: Payed by (you) based in income.

>>128177130
saved
>unlike this state

>>128171268
>new 15% payroll tax, 2.3% sales tax and 2.3% gross receipts tax

holy shit, fuck you up the butthole with a hot iron poker

that's fucking awful

they must want everyone in cali to live like a nigger

its single payer, that means im not paying for it right?

How is payroll tax even a thing? It makes the least amount of sense to me out of all the forms Of taxation


>ok we're gonna take a chunk of every dollar you earn. But we're also gonna take a chunk of the same dollar from your employer before they pay you.

>>128181976
TOTAL horse shit. Anyone with a single macro economics class will know that taxes charged to the business will come out of the employees pay eventually through raised prices or lowered salary.

Arizona needs to build a wall on the southern and western border

>>128179387
>Californians would be miserable in Arizona.

I lived in Montana for 3 years. I'm also a registered republican, nra member, a trump voter, and I love desert landscape lawns. Would I be miserable?

>>128181648
That's the optimistic estimate. It's probably more like $200 billion.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/23/california-single-payer-health-care-cost

>>128182053
How in God's good name don't you realize these things are related.

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>>128171268
>while only increasing the deficit by 105 billion per year
>105 billion
>only
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>check out faggot central
>all the cali fags saying that the 15% tax really isn't going to be put into effect
>they honestly think a 2.3% sales tax and a 2.3% gross receipts tax will pay the healthcare of millions of people

>>128172981
i moved out of CA right before Trump won. Perfect timing.

>>128182258
do you like 120 degree heat?

>>128182187
The idea is that if the business pays it, the people wont riot over it. People will say "Pay it boss! Muh healthcare!" instead of blowing up buildings.

>>128182143
>implying everyone in Cali are not already niggers

>>128182258
Depending where you go. Summers may be rough.

>>128171268

This is exactly how this should be done.

If the Californians want to experiment with single payer programs, let them, but don't bail them out when they go bankrupt doing it. If it works, then roll it out across the country.

>>128182311
anyone got the numbers of what their current balance is?

>>128182433
Otherwise it the same things, just hidden from the dumb people.

Real estate prices in WA and OR about to go up even more...

Thanks Californiafucks.

>>128182517
I agree, I dont want to pay more taxes (via gov money printing) to bail out the damn communists who cant read a history book.

>>128182357
It was more like 116, last year.

>>128182258
You would fine. But California libs should definitely stick to blue states.

>>128171268
I mean, I know your are stating facts, but Jesus, it reads like a troll post.
>15% payroll tax
>2.3% sales tax
>2.3% gross receipts tax
>ONLY increases debt by 105 billion... ANUALLY

The 105 will increase annually as well. They don't mention that part, like, ever.

>>128182699
much cooler

>>128171268
> 2.3% gross receipts tax

If I understand this correctly, it seems like this tax by itself could bankrupt entire industries that operate on large scales with narrow net profit margins. (Walmart and other "big box" discount retailers come to mind.)

>>128182357
I can survive. I did basic training in San Antonio from Jun-Oct.

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>>128182053

>>128182285
>>128181688
This.


It doesn't matter who is charged nominally. The taxes will always be split between employer and employee according to the relative slopes of supply and demand curves for labour.

>>128171268
They don't even have the money to pay for this.

>>128181003
what would you say to leafs wanting to move there? Ya im not from texas but i'm not like commiefornians aka I'll 'assimilate'

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>>128182793
>>128182311
Wait when these faggots say annually they can't mean it's going to be $105 billion the first year, then $210 billion, then $315 billion right?

>>128182917
Walmart does not pay gross tax. Only the small businesses and workers pay tax.

>>128171268
>while only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year
>This is a state
>not a country
>what the fuck are they thinking
>now all those fucking Californians are gonna move here
>fuck

>>128182433
>>128182566
that really makes no sense though. taxing labor is the most authoritarian type of tax you can have besides taxing bodily functions like breathing. its sickening how marxists believe all you can own is your labor and yet they tax it into the fucking ground and encourage a culture where hard work isn't rewarded. sales tax is much more "socialist".

>>128183126
I agree, doing payroll tax instead of income tax is just to keep stupid people quiet not rioting.

Just spitballing here but with 30 million and median income of 31.5K, and 105B/yr deficit. Its 3,500/yr per person in deficit spending, and 4,700 yr in payroll taxes, or $8,225 per person per year. That is $22.50/day, every day, every man woman and child in the state.

That is just healthcare, and assumes 100% efficiency in California's government. I don't feel good about the odds of success.

i>>128182793
Illegals can vote and get drivers licenses and they get free lawyers to stay there. Illegals will cross to get free healthcare and then go back or stay there. There are already people that live in Mexico that cross the border to go to American public schools for free. School buses go to the border to pick people up.

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>>128179318
Preach brother

>>128173794
>>128177288
Current system, prior to Obamacare, worked. Illegals fucked it up with indigent care. Single moms fuck it up with bad parenting. Anything darker than a shade of olive complexion fucks it up because heritable diseases.

For the last goddamned time:
Socialized Medicine only works in homogeneous WHITE societies where everyone agrees to pay 48% of their income directly to the gov't -- making them realize the investment being made and doing absolutely everything they can to not use it unless they have to.

This is why Sweden's system is currently collapsing, the UK's is in default, and Canada's isn't far behind. Socialized medicine in a multicultural society DOES NOT MOTHER FUCKING WORK.

>>128183291
more coverage more money needed

>>128183291
That's what (((they))) mean.

>>128183291
105 billion per year deficit. If they don't pay it back, it will be classified as debt in the amount of 105bil each year the law is in effect.

kek this is already existing in Canada. Believe it or not we are even more taxed in every aspect than California would be even with this new law.

That said, aliens cannot get our universal healthcare. Citizens get cards. If you don't have your healthcard, you ain't getting healthcare.

Can I haz free healthcare if I drive over to Commiefornia for the day ? Are they going to require Id ? Build a wall ?

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>>128183554
>>128183594
>>128183603
>covers illegal immigrants and costs over double the entire current budget
Isn't this going to fucking kill the state?

>>128183630
California lets them vote and have drivers licenses already, they will get this.

>>128177288
Fuck you. I am a small business owner in CA and I have already started looking at property in Texas. I'll go where my money is appreciated.

>>128183465
>goto california
>say you are undocumented
>get free healthcare
>go back to home state.
This healthcare will most certainly be allowed for illegals to use.

>>128171268
So what? I say let them do it. It'll be a case-study of socialized medicine for the US which will of course lead us away from it.
>California implements single-payer system
>Elderly prolong their lives by 5 years each, costing billions
>People flood in from all over for the free gibs
>Corporations start moving assets overseas
>Patients prioritized in a way that minor elective surgeries at state hospitals have a 6-month wait time.
This is of course on top of the projected 105 billion/year deficit, which will end up being much higher. I bet that Californians get redpilled so hard that the overwhelmingly support Trump in 2020.

>>128183769
The lefties will ABSOLUTELY let illegals get healthcare. That's what they do.

>>128171268
Oh.My.God ! The left is either retarded or trying to collapse the system on purpose.

>>128183872
>Isn't this going to fucking kill the state?
I hope so!

>>128183465
Illegals can also get US citizenship if they claim their life is in danger. People are getting citizenship for surviving drive-by shootings.

>>128183910
this is absolutely insane then. How can you do this when there are literally millions of illegals in the state? How do you know they didn't just border hop for the day?

as much as you yanks like to say Canada is fucked - we seem like a beacon of sanity in comparison. jesus

>>128183126
I would also add that the elasticity of the demand curve for labor plays an important role, hence why Obama and his shit-kin propped up part time labor. In a society with extensive gibs and high tendency to seek self interest (USA), this shit is untenable.

>>128182275
Typical arguments to single payer being cheaper is "muh every other country has cheaper health care"

They also ignore that single payer failed in Vermont already.
They also ignore that medicare is single payer and the government lets themselves get ripped off.

Also Bernie's plan lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNIc-1Y5Kc

>inb4 it's Cruz
Cruz cited a liberal institute.
http://www.urban.org/research/publication/sanders-single-payer-health-care-plan-effect-national-health-expenditures-and-federal-and-private-spending

>>128182793
b-but single payer must be cheaper because it's also cheaper in England.

Lib faggots need to realize that there are other reasons why US healthcare is so expensive.


If you want single payer to be cheap the government has to ruthlessly negotiate and force cost-effectiveness even if people have to wait for specialist care and even if it means certain cancer drugs won't be paid for.

But that's not what those socialists want, they want expensive American healthcare that will always try to use the most effective treatments (+MRI scans for everything) even if those cost far and far more than other treatment options that may only be a little less effective without the waiting times other countries experience.
It's not going to work that way, at least not for cheap.

Have fun with those taxes.

>>128183319
Please explain this. Doesn't this mean a tax on the company levied against the total revenue the company receives through its operations in the state? (Or are you just pointing out that they can potentially maintain profitability by increasing their prices?)

>>128184245
If a female experiences "harassment" they got citizen ship too. There is currently a problem in the USA where women will say their husband is abusing them to get citizenship.

>>128171268
>only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.


Why is ANY budget deficit acceptable?? What kind of nigger economics is going on there?

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>FREE HEALTHCARE!!!
>high taxes raised even higher
>BUT ITS FREE!!!
My god...

Why even bother working? Just steal someones identity, use it to claim gibs like an illegal and live for free doing odd jobs for cash. Then demand more from everyone dumb enough to play by the rules

>>128183959
oh yea, they are saying its universal, for anyone in the "boundries" of the cali state line that they dont believe in

what doesnt get mentioned much is that $105 billion would almost DOUBLE the state gov budget

>>128171268
>voting yourself 100 billion per year

this isnt digital currency. this is how rothschilds create civil war.

>>128184436
Walmart is HUGE and uses tax loopholes to get out of paying ta on its revenue. Like google, apple, Microsoft, etc. It requires international offices to use the loopholes.

>>128184588
>>128184503
>>128184497
I honestly don't know the answer to this question, what does the state do with the debt? They can't just not pay over a hundred billion every year?

Won't they eventually have to start jacking up taxes?

>>128184497
>What kind of nigger economics is going on there?
Thats what it is, "gibs me dat" economics.

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>>128171268
>more taxes on top of all the other taxes I'm already paying for living in the bay area
PLEASE NO I CAN BARELY AFFORD MY RENT AS IT IS

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>>128171268
We need to build a wall on Oregon's southern border asap.

>>128184444
Yeah, she'll get the citizenship and benefits for being a single mother and that same "abusive" guy will be living with her in the Section 8 housing.

>>128184497
It's only temporary, other countries have cheaper health care and some of them are single payer so it will be cheaper in the end.

;)

Socialist morons.

>>128184557
No need to steel an ID, hospitals CANNOT refuse to treat someone no matter what, even now. Just say your illegal and homeless and have no residence. They will treat you and stick it to paying customers. Its like this in all states.

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>>128171268
>15% payroll tax, 2.3% sales tax and 2.3% gross receipts tax while only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.
So basically they still need to increase the taxes.

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>>128171683

No Franz, no it is not!

We have enough transpants! FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>128184754
>Won't they eventually have to start jacking up taxes?
someone gets it!

>>128184887
TRUE KEK

>>128182187
It's so they can obscure the real tax rate, self-employed people have to pay the full rate anyway

>>128182353
I got out right before election season. Very happy with my choice

>>128185029
Don't you want that juicy silicon valley capital?

>>128183630
>That said, aliens cannot get our universal healthcare.
The idea is that they cant be rejected at the emergency room and the subsequent hospital stay, and guess who pays for that.

>>128184266
Fortunately, this is California's mess until they ask for a bail out. Unfortunately, people are leaving for red states and keeping their ideas turning Texas and such more blue (Democrat voting).

SANDERS: There is one major country that does not guarantee health care to all people. There is one major country--the United States--which ends up spending almost three times per capita what they do in the U.K. guaranteeing health care to all people, 50 percent more than they do in France guaranteeing health care to all people, far more than our Canadian neighbors, who guarantee health care to all people.
CLINTON: We share the goal of universal health care coverage. But I think the people deserve to know how this would work. If it's Medicare for all, then you no longer have the Affordable Care Act, because the Affordable Care Act is based on the insurance system. So if you're having single-payer, you need to level with people about what they will have at the end of the process. Based on every analysis I can find, the numbers don't add up, and many people will be worse off than they are now.\

Why don't socialists ever listen?

>>128174293
>Has both a drought and flooding problem
>Good weather

>>128171268
>mfw more taxes and I still wont afford healthcate

FUCK THIS STATE

>taxpayers fund illegal's healthcare

>>128171268
>only

>>128172722
As a veteran dealing with the VA right now this one hits too close to home...

>>128171825
it would probably pass too due to all the voter fraud where all the illegals vote

>>128172625

At least he'll never be President

>>128174363
A 1.5 million dollar house in California would be a one story house with 4 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms.

>>128186174
"Be careful!"

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Wait........so in addition to the existing 15.3% FICA you already pay, they are adding another 15%, so 30.3% in payroll taxes?

SSI taxes are capped at 127k per year income, so I take it, the extra percentage is all for Medicare/Medicaid?

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>>128171825
You'll be covered when you botch you're suicide

And fuck you for making me have to pay for your botched suicide

>getting out of California in September

Feels good

>>128171268
15% will turn in to 50%
Mark my words!

>>128186887
See ya later nigger, maybe home prices will finally go down

>>128174115
All of scandinavia, though that will probably not last here either since the brown hordes already number well over a million in scandinavia total. Socialism can work in white countries. Nothing works properly in multicultural countries though.

>>128186544
don't worry, californian's will find a way to blame someone else for the shitty healthcare system they just threw themselves into.

Hey cummifornians, have fun waiting months on end to see a doctor for everything!

is there a way to exile California from the union? I know they can't secede but can't we kick them out instead?

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>>128171268
Got some shit called medical. Sent to a tiny clinic in the parking lot of my old doctors office I've gone to my whole life. Literally had to wait over an hour to see someone for a kink in my neck.
As I sat and waited, with an appointment,
at least a dozen Mexican women with children walked in, talked in Spanish to the front desk women (all Mexican as well, though everyone in charge was white) and they went right in without waiting at all. Finally it was my turn. Hurried me in and out as fast as possible. Horrible fucking shit lads. I've lived here my whole life and have seen first had over the years the numbers of Mexicans skyrocket. What are we going to do.
Inb4 nuke Cali and all that gay shit.

>>128171268
This is never going to pass. Needs a 2/3 vote from assembly and the people.

If this was going to happen the only way to do it so everyone is forced to contribute is increasing the sales tax. That way every time an illegal buys something they are paying for their own healthcare. In fact I'd be all for. 15% sales tax if they dropped state and property taxes all together. Force these wetbacks to pay.

>>128187185
What state do you live in?

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>tfw Cali is doubling its budget and doubling the payroll tax to give coverage to illegals
>tfw they won't be able to do this for more than a year if that before raising taxes substantially
>tfw all the businesses are going to leave the state
>tfw I live in the states most likely to get those jobs
>tfw I get to watch Cali burn because they embraced socialistic bullshit

The real show will begin when they inevitably have to take the coverage back and the millions of illegals they invited in revolt.

>>128172198
Oklahoma here
>pls annex us

I live in Jefferson, and I hope CalExit gets pulled off. There are a lot of angry as hell rebels here that are prepared to literally go to war with the rest of California.

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>>128187185
Google around, it's theoretically possible, but the US would never give up roughly half of its west coast, it would sooner overthrow the state government. I would just split up the state along similar lines.

>>128171268
>only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.
Even after those tax increases that is about 2% of GDP increase in debt per year.

GOOD.GOD.MAN

>>128187348
>That way every time an illegal buys something they are paying for their own healthcare.
Thats why they did payroll tax.

so this is the famed free healthcare the bernouts talk about

>>128179332
We do.

>>128184098
California is less than 50% white. It will never go red again unless there are mass deportations.

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>>128171268
Question to burguers

Why dont you have a public HCS and a Private HCS just like any other nation like this shithole and britbongistan?

Private hospitals dont have to deal with poorfags and you can throw all shitskins and lowlifes to the meatgrinder

>>128171268
>in exchange for a new 15% payroll tax, 2.3% sales tax and 2.3% gross receipts tax

So... now their $10.50 minimum wage is only $8.92 Before any already existing local, state, and federal taxes are added on top of that... AND with the new sales tax that money is only worth 90.45% of its face value should they choose to spend it in state... AND every business in the state from resource extraction to retail gets to pay 2.3% more simply for doing business in the state?

>while only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.

AND it still increases the deficit?

Fuck me it seems like a grand plan... how can we get that in my state?

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White population will be paying for dindu/spic healthcare. This is the future of America, better accept it. Whatever white people are left in a decade in America will be holding the entire country up.

>>128187016
BWAHAHAHAHA house prices aren't going to fall until the economy takes a shit and no one has jobs. Enjoy your illegals and epic sanctuary state laws faggot.

>>128181212
Payroll tax is not paid by the employee, dummy.

This bill will never pass - but if it did, a 15% payroll tax would kill business in CA, and result in massive waves of layoffs.

>>128188640
question to mexico

why is your country a narcostate without running clean water usable sewer system? why is everything so trashy including the beaner civilians

>>128181473
No, it's not.

>>128174363
1.5 million? Do you live in a trailer park?

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>>128172981
>still living is Sweden

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>>128188776
Thank you I will

Now that there's one less racist and universal health care it's going be good times

>>128188640
We do have a Public HCS.

Old and the really poor have near free healthcare with Medicare/Madicaid.

Emergency care is also public in that they cannot refuse to see you.

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>>128188865
>why is your country a narcostate
Money is power
and Drugs give a shitton of money

>without running clean water usable sewer system
What? , our sewage system is fine other that it cant take toilet paper so we are forced to use bins.

>why is everything so trashy including the beaner civilians

Beaners dont give a shit, when they do start giving a shit they just drown that thought with alcohol and drugs

>>128188348
Payroll tax would require they are actually all on some kind of payroll and the ones that are on official payroll are probably using someone else's SS number.

As for a payroll tax requiring the employer to pick up a portion, FUCK THAT. Forcing the employer to pick up even half that tax will kill small business and big corps would only be forced to lay off, automate, or move the fuck out making the burden and the debt that much higher. Employers already have 10% worth in payroll taxes.

>>128189142
Nothing I said was racist :^)

>>128189317
I meant a entirely separate infrastucture.

Here we have public Hospitals and they are worse than butcheries, but we also have top fucking notch private hospitals.

>>128189426
the payroll tax is enough to make most small businesses go bankrupt and the larger ones move out of state

>>128189131
Well, at least we have running water

>>128171268
Good for California

>>128171268
What I say to California is: welcome to the civilised world.

>>128171268
>while only increasing the deficit by $105 billion per year.
>only $105 BILLION

Cali is fucked.

>>128189529
>we also have top fucking notch private hospitals.
no you don't you have doctors that wouldn't pass in american or european universities treating made up illnesses to get people in the door

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>>128173436
Please no, its already bad as is.

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>>128189854
>no you don't you have doctors that wouldn't pass in american or european universities treating made up illnesses to get people in the door

Our bell curve has pretty extreme ends, burguer

>>128189614
Dumb ass conservatives keep saying this yet it never happens.
Still the 6th largest economy in the world
I wish we could leave the union too because you broke ass red states would be fucked without our federal tax dollars

>>128171268

'only increase the deficit by 105 billion per year'
Despite levying new taxes on payrolls and sales.

Nice move.


That said, single payer system is the most rational one, but you are doing it wrong and it will end up costing you lot much more than what it would be needed.

>>128182187
>But we're also gonna take a chunk of the same dollar from your employer before they pay you.

It's worse than that.

Your employer will have to pay 15% of your salary in taxes. Take a company like Apple, and do the math.

Then, every purchase will have an additional 2.3% tax on it.

And, your company, and every company, will pay 2.3% of their GROSS, not net. So each dollar your company makes, gets taxed twice. You lose 2.3 percent of every dollar, then whatever the tax rate is for your net profit.

Business in CA would halt, and just leave. Even liberal darlings like Facebook would be forced to flee CA, for excessive taxation.

And, the kicker is, these new taxes don't even cover half of the cost of a single payer health care system. You know the final cost will easily be 4, 5, 10 times more than they're estimating.

The guy in the article said, if they put every penny of taxes taken in right now towards this, they wouldn't have enough money.

This will never be enacted. They need to rewrite the State Constitution to do it, and that's not happening. The Feds would need to rewrite laws to let them use Federal funds in different ways, that's not happening.

But this shows how irrational and crazy liberals are. They have no idea how to pay for any of this, but to get votes, they're pandering to liberals and illegals with this "free health care" nonsense. It's disgusting, and it should lead to a lot of them losing in their next elections, but I'm not holding my breath.

Hollywood would move all of their shit to another state if they enacted this. Silicon Valley is already moving out. Banking would leave. Anyone who runs a company would be at risk. This is literal insanity.

>>128190032
yea im sure you are very smart nordic mexican just like all the other beaners who claim such

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>>128188688

Forgive me, I read income tax instead of payroll tax. Just switch out that little bit to "employers get pay even more money in order to receive the same amount of labor"

As a Hoosier I am expecting this to turn out very much like all the additional taxes did for Illinois a few years back. I have two new neighbors who both brought their families and businesses with them from Illinois.

Pic very much related.

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>>128184754
They'll just pile on more debt and the bankers will be happy!! Debt is slavery and its rigged that way on purpose.

>>128189529
There are 5,564 Hospitals in the United States.

983 are State or Locally owned hospitals
212 are federal
2,845 are non-profit owned.

The rest are for profit owned or other categories like Prison Hospitals or mental facilities.

>>128183483

Quite spot on

>>128190079
you realize cali runs a deficit... right?

>>128171683
STAY OUT OF ARIZONA YOU NIGGERS!!! you ruined your state, don't ruin mine.

>>128189392
>What? , our sewage system is fine other that it cant take toilet paper so we are forced to use bins
They still don't understand they can flush shit wipe after they get here. That's kind of the problem in general with Mexican immigrants illegal or not. They take the risk to come here to have a better life yet they continue to live exactly as they always have. The areas with the largest bean populations turn the neighborhoods to shit. Driving through San Fernando is like driving through Tijuana.

>>128182433
And their bosses will say "I can't afford to keep you on, sorry. Good luck with your job search."

It's almost as if these fucking liberals are sitting there, watching Trump create jobs, and saying "Fine, he can create jobs all he wants, we'll tax the fuck out of them to get what we want, fuck him."

It would fit with the rest of the pissy attitudes in the DNC these days.

>>128171268
so glad I moved out of California

>>128171268
How has CA not collapsed already? There is the bill that allows people on welfare to receive more if they have more kids.

When will Fed funding be cut off?

15 fucking percent payroll tax! If this passes California is dumber than I could have imagined.

They better pray this doesn't pass because it will be a shining example of how not to implement a single-payer system.

>>128185029
>>128171683
>move out of california because of taxes + unbearable government
>vote for the same kind of people that want higher taxes and more government in nevada
These people are a disease. They never learn!

>>128183943
>I'll go where my money is appreciated
It's not appreciated in Texas. Califag Day of the Rope when?

>>128189392
>mexicans wipe their asses and put the used toilet paper in a trash can
you are only one notch better than pajeet

>>128171268
>(((Free healthcare)))
>15% payroll tax
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA White commiefornians are gonna be paying for illegal spic healthcare in its entirety. Suck shit!

>>128190324
>you realize the federal government runs a deficit

We wouldn't if we left the union.

>>128182917
Grocery stores can't operate with a gross tax like this. Buh Bye Safeway.

>>128183483
>Illegals fucked it up with indigent care.

I believe it's a Federal law to allow ER care for anyone.

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>>128171268
California liberals at this moment.

>>128174363
You mean your mom's husband's house?

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>>128171268
Ever notice that people from deserts are the cause of all the worlds problems?

>>128182053
>income you won't be able to use either way

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>>128179318
Used to live in L.A, can vouch. Moved and job prospects are much better, and the fact that people are less faggy is a big plus.

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I bet it costs double the first 3 years
>No way did they actively figure the costs for 1 million faggots to get sexual reassignment surgery
>No way did they figure out how much prescriptions cost for HRT
>No way did they actively count all the illegals who will go to the ER every other day because as a poor Californian they wont have to pay extra...

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>>128171825
Just don't use a gun.

Don't give commiefornia legislative faggots another reason to neuter the 2nd amendment.

>>128179315

the bill says all residents are entitled to health care and services.

>>128171268
How retarded do you have to be to expect single payer to work in one state that is already hard up for cash? It's called nationalized healthcare you bozos, quit drinking the kool-aid.

What are they going to fund it with? Income tax?

>>128183483
Socialized medicine needs a healthy population, too, who do a lot of preventative maintenance, exercise, don't abuse drugs, or eat themselves to 500, 600 pounds. It worked in countries like Sweden because the people were healthier, and accessed health care less.

In the US, people go to the emergency room for colds. They're all on expensive medications. They're all fat, sick, and dying.

>>128191281
And does it replace Obamacare or exist alongside it? So many questions.

>>128171268
More homeless for Califagia incoming!!!

>>128191121
no shit you know how fast illegals will fly to cali when they hear free healthcare? Not to mention the massive unemployment that will lower revenue because of the taxes

>>128190961
lmao

>>128190079
This whole bill is a joke any way. It will never happen. Regardless we can't keep pretending forcing business to pay more is good for them. $15 minimum wage can only go a few different ways.
Please, before anyone starts waving $15 Seattle around realize it had zero effect on the city of Seattle proper. Data on suburban areas will be much different. Anyone that can afford to live in Seattle or San Fransisco are already making way more than $15 an hour.
Now imagine employers more than doubling the amount of taxes they pay for their employees. Shit, that's a 15% increase in workers comp as well.

>>128190569
California's economy is HUGE ,that's why debt slavery hasn't collapsed it yet. The more the marxist globalist bankers push- the more cracks will start to form. The infrastructure is already starting to collapse.

>>128171268
This won't become law. Look at what happened to the Vermont healthcare bill

>>128191345
Since Californians would be covered, they won't have to worry about Obamacare

>>128187308
>went to the doctor for a kink
>waited an hour

Get over yourself

>>128181688
Christ, that's even worse. Soon they'll just convert entire neighborhoods into walmarts with hospitals and pods to sleep in attached.

>>128184754
Yes, or they go bankrupt. Which will probably happen within the next decade, anyway, with or without this. The libs have spent the state into a state of debt that can never be paid off, and they're doubling down with this.

But you don't want to see a state BK. All those pensions? Dropped, or renegotiated. It would be fucking UGLY. It probably needs to happen, but the pain could trigger some pretty serious fucking events.

>>128171268
Hey Syrians! Go to California. They have free healthcare

>>128181688
As it is, businesses already have to pay overtime for over 8 hour shifts in a day. Fucking retarded

>>128183910
how can non citizens vote? that is retarded

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>>128191123
Yeah kill them with Free health care and Vegan burger patties. Maybe then yeah libtards yeah

>>128181688
You forgot the biggest impactful outcome

[spoiler]massive increase in unemployment[/spoiler]

>>128191285
It also works in countries where you don't have a lot of shitskin immigrants. My infrequent trips to the doctor (getting medical certs for sick days mainly) show me that chinks and brown people seem to clog up doctors offices everywhere.

>>128191757
Don't you dare send those sand niggers here

>>128184791
If this passed (it's not, trust me, and even if it did have a shot, it would take years), you would lose your job before this affected your income to where you couldn't afford rent.

We'll see how industry reacts to this. They can start talking about leaving the state, and that will kill this bill dead.