How would a libertarian society deal with drug abuse?

>>128125617
natural selection

>>128125617
By not sheltering people from the consequences of their bad life choices.
>We believe that in reducing the scope and importance of our errors, we are properly humble; in truth, we are merely unwilling to bear the weight of our true responsibility.

>>128125708

Not an argument unless you are some edgy pseudo nihilist teenager. Oh wait you are a lolbertarian...

>>128125617
Gotta help the kids, but if they wanna abuse then by all means do so

>>128125617
It doesn't. Because it's none of your business.

>>128125793

Not an argument there is a thing called negative externality. Society as a whole bears the cost of drug abuse. Let them die xD is not an argument

>>128125860
You ask how would a libertarian society deal with drug abuse.

And the answer is they would not, so it would be left to natural selection.

FFS I know you are a greek, but this was easy to understand

It's fine on their own but child abuse violates NAP.

So pick in OP would be subject to physical removal, so to speak.

Drugs would be cheap, and of good quality.

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>>128125617
Let them die

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>>128125950

That sounds repugnant. Not showing any kind of solidarity and affection to other people especially if they belong to your race is sick. Lolbertarians are sick

>>128126013

Thanks God I went through my lolbertarian phase then this ideology is repulsive.

>>128126012
>Society as a whole bears the cost of drug abuse
not if we don't pay for it

>>128126028

Yeah having 1/3 of you population addicted to opium sounds great!!!

>>128125793
But in the most drug abusing countries you don't get welfare - they support their addiction with crime.

Stop peddling this stupid meme that people in first world countries get government assistance for absolutely everything. The UK is supposed to be a "nanny state" yet I became homeless when I lost my old job because hardly anyone gets housing benefit and JSA requires an address to recieve.

>>128125617
Did they died??

>>128125860
>not interfering in other people's lives is edgy pseudo nihilism
>>128126012
how would society bear the the cost? if the covent wants them to fuck off then they can kick them out.
>when someone makes a point i disagree with it's not an argument
kys

>>128126182
>this ideology is repulsive.
It definately can be.

It puts so much emphasis on individual, personal freedom that it can completely disregard important things.

Like pedophilia, and all other deviancies or child protection or family values.

In perfect lolbertarian society all thise degenrate disgusting things would be legal

>>128126017
But what if the child consents?

>>128126218

You will pay for it when some junkie violates your property and murders you to get some money for his fix

>>128125793
So, in other words, it wouldn't deal with it.

>>128126182
>not looking after degenerates just because they're white is sick
fuck off junkie, life is about making decisions for yourself

>>128126381
With libertarians it's all about MY rights and MY freedom, it's all about entitlement, nothing about duty to anyone else, family or country. They are the ultimate self-obsessed individualist SJWs.

>>128125617
They die.

What an incredible thread.

>>128126506
It's Solipsism the political ideology

>>128126017
but arent children the property of the parents?
also
>natural selection
>NAP
pick one

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>>128126508

I reject that. We will throw you in a cold cell for smoking weed and systematically wipe out all drug dealers. Deal w/it lolbertarian scum

>>128126345
OD

>>128125617
without roads drug transportation would become difficult meaning theyd manufacture locally and thus every few miles thered be a different druglord. basically mexico except more madmax style and on a global scale.

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>>128126395

>>128126343
It's cuz you're not Muslim. Why not LARP your way to neetdom?

>>128126508

They, you think 3 or 4, but you ignore that drug epidemics have social consequences that come to non-users as well.

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>>128126506
with the cuck its all about MUH BULL

>why doesnt saying the cucks name over and over get MUH BULL to respond

the bull is busy love
he doesnt have time to please your girl

>>128126771
They as in the society

It dies. They die.

>>128125617

the world will get better, they'll have no chance to get addicted to drugs because they will succeed in life

drug addict dont choose to do drugs, they do it because their life is shit, at least for the most part

you'll always keep a few real drug abusers, but they're helpless to being with. like people with no ambition etc.

truth is a libertarian, capitalistic society simple is the best system for getting the most people possible out of poverty. how you fill in the details doesnt even matter, as long as the base is solid which isnt the case now.

so if we all can stop whining and make liberty and prosperity comes first, we'll all be better off

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>>128126395

Selling your kid to sex slavery doesn't violate the NAP!!!

>>128125617
By letting the drug addicts get shot by whoever.

>>128125617

Drug users would be safer as they no longer face prison sentences for use.

Their product would be cheaper and purer so less nasty side effects and less crime to pay for habits.

Concerned citizens may voluntarily contribute to charities and services that help problem drug users get clean, get a job or helps their kids not have a fucked up life.

pharmaceutical grade doses would mean it is very difficult to accidentally overdose. Drugs that treat addiction would be readily available.

>>128126954
Source? Sound like bullshit and wishful thinking to me. A huge percentage of people of all classes were addicted to opium in Europe America and China before it was banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China

>>128127145
>give them high quality drugs, goy

Very degenerate.

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>>128127145

Yeah we should sell pure pharmaceutical grade heroin to millions of bored unhappy middle aged housewives what could possibly go wrong?

>>128126898
Tell me, are you against surrogate mothers? Why is adoption ok for free, but not if the prospect parents pay handsome sums to have the best, healthiest, most likely look-alike child?

>>128126402
Not if we kill them in self-defense.

>>128126381
You are a stupid motherfucker to say that shit like murder and rape would be ok in a libertarian world

I can see how you love this straw man argument

>>128127602

I am against surrogacy if it is for profit. It is immoral and unethical. Moral consideration>profit and commerce

All those predisposed to abusing drugs would die off very fast and a degeneracy-free generation is born.
Social darwinnism is best :DD

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>>128127311

Opium is much less harmful than heroin. When you criminalise a drug, you force suppliers and users to go for more potent forms of the drug. Beer > Whiskey during prohibition, coca > cocaine > crack cocaine, opium > heroin

Purer drugs are safer, in the case of heroin, a user a is lessely to overdose, less likely to get emboli etc if the product is a known purity and quality.

>>128125617
by only existing in the dreams of the most autistic /pol/tards

>>128127145
Wrong, they always want more. At least the laudanum/morphine/heroin users. It's never quite enough. So they keep upping the dose, trying to get a higher high. We've had the gubbiment test program here. And dem programs failed! big time.

>>128125860
>I so thouroighly believe in liberal humanist memes that I no longer believe in evolution

>>128126182
Drug addicts aren't people.

>>128125617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbKOUCaQq54

>>128125617
treat them like how we treat smoking. A health problem. It might be a meme and I could be misinformed, but portugal has done well in that regard.

>>128125617
is this >>128123929 (you)?

>>128125617
It's a problem that takes care of itself.

>>128125860
It's your job to care for you close ones and make sure they don't die from a drug overdose. However, it's NOT the government's job to do that for everyone.
Therefore, >>128125708 is right. Selling drugs should be criminalized but not consuming them.

>>128125617
The state would do nothing as it wouldn't be illegal. Social pressure would marginalize drugs abusers but there would probably private charities/associations which would try to help heavily dependants users (like today). Insurance premium would also be higher for users which would push people not to use.

>>128128034

Humanism is not liberal you faggot. Kinship and looking out for you race are inherently right wing concepts.

>>128126381
>all thise degenrate disgusting things would be legal
no, it would not since it is basically rapes, i.e. a crime.

>it's a libertarianism is only anarchy meme episode
Pay denbts you lazy greek fuck.

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>>128128094

Druh addicts are people who need help and solidarity from the community to recover. Drug abuse is a symptom of social decay and alienation caused by multiculturalism and the breakdown of traditional values.

>>128128126

Soon brother

>>128126506
I love being stolen from under the auspices of "the greater good" by some dumb govt shithead who pays lip service to caring about others

In a "lolbertarian" world I would help my family and friends directly. Fuck that actually. In the CURRENT world I do that already. And 100% of my money and effort makes it to the person who needed it.

People are conflating getting bilked by the govt with helping people. They really believe govt actually cares about the individual. If the govt did actually care about the powerless masses, there would be no war. Since there is war, govt is filled with apathetic murderers who don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. Such evil ppl are incapable and unwilling to help ppl. Don't give them money.

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>>128125617
It wouldn't, libertarians are delusional.

If you want to stomp out drugs, punish people for using them. See Duterte agrees.

>>128125617
Libertarians = bullshit.
Classical liberalism FTW.

How to deal with drugs in society step-by-step guide.
>Classify drugs in scientific categories. Short example: mood-altering substances (nicotine, THC, cocaine, ...), hallucinogenics (LSD, DMT, ...), anesthetics (opium, morphine, cocaine, ...).
>Classify drugs scientifically in regards to potency (strenght of drug effects, required dose to reach effect, ...).
>Classify drugs scientifically in regards to addiction: Whether the drug in question can create addiction and if yes, how fast the addiction is acquired and how strong it is.
>Allow drug sale and purchase in designated state run stores only (like tobacco in Hungary) and according to the scientific studies stated above. Go for mild versions of hard drugs, e.g. opium instead of heroin.
>No minors shall be allowed to sale, purchase and/or use drugs. Small amounts of drugs for personal use only shall be allowed to be grown on private ground. Use of drugs in private locations only.

>>128127848

Legalisation doesn't work. Look what happened in Colorado. Huge spike in crime homicides homelessness and drug use

>>128127602
Adoption ain't free Russian bro

>>128126771
What a surprise: selfish ppl impose costs on their he ppl around them.

Govt plz solve rudeness for me, I'm a helpless little bitch who wants everyone to deal with my family's problems. I'd sure like not being responsible for them myself.

Plz govt, do everything for me.

Somalia, the Libertarian Paradise: poor country, high amount of degenerates, very violent, not pleasant

Singapore, the statist Hellhole: extremely rich, almost no drug users, low crime rates, interesting culture

Can Libertarians argue against this?

>>128128699
It works extremely well in Portugal.

>>128128398
>no, it would not since it is basically rapes, i.e. a crime.

It depends how deep the libertarian well you go.

If you fall in the meme wall, there are basically no laws, because there are no governments. OP asks about society not nation. In this scenario what you can get away with is legal.

If you pull that back a little, there should be discussion of what is the legal status of children in such a society. Are they they the property of parents? How long? Do they have any laws outside of being their parents property? etc. In this scenario many of those things could or could not be legal depending on how far you move the slider.
For example if children are simply the property, and have no implicit protection, if you find a fucked parent willing to rent you, or sell their property you have legal pedophillia or slavery.

And the more you move the slider, the more implicit laws things have, but the less libertarian society becomes as government needs to be larger and larger to enforce those implicit laws.

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>>128128924

The state as an organisation that represents the colelctive will has the duty to protect people and guide them towards achieving colelctive goals. Fuck off with that fake "muh rugged individualism" crap

>>128129093
It's almost like when people desire a certain type of society authority is necessary for that society to exist.

>>128128674
>FTW.
Needless to say, nobody read the rest of your post.
>>128128454
Opote, Se mia kathara fileleutheri koinonia, logika tha upirxe kapios pou tha eixe os epagkelma tin apotoksinosi ton politon?
Einai to idio argument me tous dromous. Profanos tha upirxane aiteries pou tha ftiaxnane dromous.

>>128128624

>gunning them down in the streets

Yeah, 3rd world solutions for 3rd world countries I suppose. Not a libertarian position but I'd be okay if the state started treating drug using as a medical problem rather than a criminal one. Drugs like Ice and Meth seriously rot your brain and do horrible damage to the body, folks addicted to them would be better off in a rehab clinic than prison. Meth and ice dealers as well as producers can still be criminally prosecuted like normal though.

As for the funding. Legalize, regulate and tax the fuck outta weed and use that tax revenue to fund clinics. Done.

>>128126402
he'd have to try first

>>128129306
Weed is a degenerate drug that makes people weak and sloppy.

>>128126898
Implying a free market in children is definitively sex slavery rather than it being more like billy can mow the neighbor's yard for money

Implying that YOU as a parent would sell your child into sex slavery if only it weren't illegal. If there really are such ppl, they were evil to begin with and laws don't change anything about them.

You're such a dumbass.

>>128125867
>Gotta help the kids
Help the kids to buy drugs?

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>>128125617
Send private death squads to eliminate degenerates in your neighborhood.

>>128127581
There is no "we," you dumb faggot.

>>128129290

Δεν με ενδιαφέρει η παροχή οιkονομιkων αγαθων σε μια υποτιθέμενη φιλελευθερη kοινωνία αλλα η αντιμετώπιση kοινωνιkών φαινομένων που απαιτούν οργανωμένη συλλογιkή απάντηση όπως ο εθισμός στα ναρkωτιkά.

>>128129097
like your govt is protecting you
i kekd
btw tell them to gibe the monay back

>>128129396

But it doesn't turn people into raging lunatics with no control over themselves like Ice does. To do away with weed entirely is bit of a shitty move since medicinal weed does have it's uses also.

Degeneracy makes for poor reasoning to outlaw something and doesn't work at all, if not makes things worse those involved (prostitution)

>>128129269
Yea, every time when someone creates a idyllic vision of perfect libertarian or communist society when talking with me, It can always be collapsed by the first entrepreneurial dude, creating a warband with willing and similarily mindinded individuals and taking societys liberties with force. And since it could be done, and would be easier, it would be done.

Then the purrfect society would need to sacrifice some of it's liberties for protection from the warband, creating some form of state and ending the utopia.

>How can we violate the right to property when we can't act as a nanny state???

Fuck off, statist.

Reminder that as the white race dies out the libertarian is too busy "defending the constitution" and "being an individual" to save it. The libertarian ideal, an ideal created and propagated exclusively by white men, will not take shape in a brown world.

>>128125617
they die

>>128129548
just because the french govt sells out its people doesnt mean all do. well not without a net gain anyway

>>128125617
Libertarian society should follow a fascist society where drugs are illegal and use of them heavily, heavily punished.

Only after people are re-vitalized morally, can we establish a real libertarian paradise.

>>128129522
>απαιτούν οργανωμένη συλλογιkή απάντηση
Giati? Esu exeis to problhma me ton ethismo, pane ston eidiko, ''Substance Abuse Counselor'' or something.
Ama o geitonas sou einai ethismenos stin koka, tote einai kathara diko tou problhma. Den lew oti einai kalo auto, aplos milame gia mia upothetiki kathara filele koinonia.

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>>128126703

>>128129494

There is a we. Unless you re some deracinated rootless mongrel the "we" is the national community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft

>>128129548

The governement will protect me when it is taken over by National Socialists. The state is an inherently neutral institution. It all depends on who runs and for who benefits from it.

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>>128125617
Le free market will fix it. In reality libertardians want to allow this kind of degeneracy.

>>128125617
Eugenics and natural selection.

Let the idiots die.

>>128125617
your choice, your responsibility

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>>128129455
>Hoppe the closet fascist is the answer
lmao libcucks need another ideology to fix their own degeneracy? HAHAHA how cute and pathetic

>>128129765
Γιατι θέλω ο γείτονας μου να είναι υγιείς για να βοηθήσει με τις δυνατότητες που έχει να οιkοδομήσει το έθνος kαι να συμβάλλει στους συλλογιkούς στόχους. Εσυ θα 'ηθελες να ζεις σε μια γειτονια με πρεζαkια?

>>128127145
>very difficult to accidentally overdose.
Because overdoses on prescription drugs are so fucking rare....

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>>128128458
>personal choices have nothing to do with a wider system of values in society

Stop free healthcare

>>128126182
Multiculturalism means there is no community worth sacrificing for.

It is like John Lennon's Imagine, but only now do you realize the hell on Earth it entails.

>>128125708
I don't really have hundreds or thousands of years to wait around while that happens.

>>128125617
You let them die and everyone sees it happen

Then only retards become addicts and it's like a self operating gas chamber

>>128129780
Based authoritarianism is the answer to society's ills. The heavy brutal hand of the state will fix it and no amount of autistic lolbertarian screeching about muh rights will stop that

>>128125617

People do less drugs when it's not stigmatised. These parent probably feared getting help because they would lose custody of their child, so the continued their habit in secret.

>>128128699
Rofl, just because of marijuana, right?

All the homeless ppl in Los Angeles are there because of marijuana too, right?

Maybe you are falling into the correlation/causation fallacy?

>>128129563
>Degeneracy makes for poor reasoning to outlaw something and doesn't work at all
It makes for perfect reasoning. It's a case of "this negatively effects society so it's banned".

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>>128130152
>People do less drugs when it's not stigmatised

That's ridiculous and has been empirically shown to be false. Just admit it lolbertarians you have no problem with 10 year kids doing lines before class

>>128128972
Somalia has niggers

>>128129093
>there are basically no laws, because there are no governments
no, anarchism is not anomie. no gouvernment doesn't mean no justice is being served.

>>128130131
>>128129908
>>128129886

Not an argument

See
>>128126012

>>128130303
They are too busy wondering if the 10 year old consented.

>>128129093
a human being is not a fucking property, it's an individual with basic human rights.

>>128129097
Implying you give more of a shit about my family than I do. Implying you'll do a better job helping my family than I could.

It's like thinking a public school teacher is going to try as hard as you to educate your child. The people who think this way are just dying to join the proles.

>>128130303

https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.EsjFkLka7

>empirically shown to be false.

nope, your crappy 3 year chart is nothing compared to the exhaustive data collected from portugal's decriminalization.

Literally every negative factor when down. Death, disease and violence.

>>128129983
Re megale, autos einai o logos pou den tha litourgouse pote mia 100% filele koinonia. O geitonas tha eixe tin epilogh na einai Junky, opos sou eipane kai 20 atoma sto thread, dikot ous thema, they chose to do so. Apot in stigmh pou uparxoun kapoia regulations, opos auto edw >>128129794
tote theoritika den einai 100% filele. Apo mono tou den einai kalo system, alla genika exei ta kalutera stoixia. To systemt is germanias gia paradeigma, einai kai kapitalistiko alla exei kai stoixeia apo sosialismo. Eidika twra teleutea mas exoune gamisei me ta taxes. 600€ to mhna deinw se taxes. Pou malon einai pio pola ap'osa bgazeis esu sto sunolo.
Opote, apo tin stigmh pou tha exoune ''sinenoithei'' oloi oi polites oti ta narkotia einai Banned kai heavily punished, tha prepei na uparxei kai kapios pou tha ta elegxei ola auta, kati san tin astunomia. ktlp ktlp.

>>128130517
Please remember to archive. Thank you.

>https://mic com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.EsjFkLka7
https://archive.is/dwhD9

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Maybe they should be gassed?

OH, wait they are already doing it to themselves.

>>128130461
No, humans are explicitly property. Peasants have always (rightly) been the property of their superiors. That remains true even today, only now people are given the delusion that they are free.

>>128125867
No, not even the kids get helped. Sink or swim.

>>128125617
>its 100% legal
>all the drug using degenerates get all the drugs they want and OD

problem sorted

>>128126013
>don't deal with it
>thousands of druggy cunts with no welfare/job prospects and no way to get their fix
Do you see how this may end badly?

>>128130200

Well that's what they thought when they enacted prohibition for alcohol and look how that turned out. And if that wasn't proof enough just look at the war on Drugs in America. Nothing but a monumental failure with billions wasted on combating it when Drug use is as rampant as ever. Your moral outrage doesn't make for a good justice system.

>>128126013
But what if the drug abuser is okay after say a car accident and somebody else died without taking drugs?

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>>128129718
People can't get revitalized morally without the supreme ideal (God). Too bad postmodernists and communists pushed hatred of religion on normies. Sad

>>128130517
>If someone is found in the possession of less than a 10-day supply of anything from marijuana to heroin, he or she is sent to a three-person Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction, typically made up of a lawyer, a doctor and a social worker.

Doesn't sound like a lolbertarian just let them die approach to me. And even if it works from a moral standpoint drug use shouldn't be encouraged. Utilitarianism is not an argument

>>128130348
And yet Somalia has the only current working libertarian society.

Coincidence? Could it be that libertarianism is actually the ideology of the self-obsessed, hedonistic nigger?

>>128129781
The people who love pretending they can shove unwilling ppl into their definition of "we" are the biggest pricks and govt apologists.

You can't say I'm part of the "we," just like how you can't decide what I drink for breakfast.

>>128130303
Look at portugal

>>128125617
Let god sort them out.

>>128130660
>people have to clean up the bodies and have to deal with druggies robbing/murdering people to get a fix
Or you could just kill them all. Specifically the dealers, give the druggies a chance of rehabilitation (the ones that refuse get thrown out of helicopters).

>>128130719
>Well that's what they thought when they enacted prohibition for alcohol
No, women thought he's not paying enough attention to me because he's out at the pub so I need to ban it. Blame women on that one not the government.

>>128130781

It's also not the Authoritarian approach. Heavy sentencing and throwing people in jail only made things worse.

It show that the state can not force people to behave how it wants.

>>128125617

Drug abuse is a myth you filthy cockroach. Those parents died from paracetamol overdose, which is the real killer behind the so-called "opioid" crisis.

>>128130821

Yes good goy keep posting your manufactured fake muh rugged individualism™ propaganda.

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>>128126125
Fucking this! Why is it so hard to understand?

>>128130820

Doesn't libertarian imply there's a state though? Just a state that stays out of social and financial affairs. Somalia doesn't even have a working state so it's safe to classify it as just Anarchy or Anarcho capitalism I guess.

>>128125617
Pay your debts.

>>128129794
ancap =/= libertarian, ahmed

>>128131166
>medkit

>>128130778
I agree with you wholeheartedly

>>128130144
Treating the symptoms without also getting to the root of the problem is a waste of time and effort.

>>128130719
Also
>Your moral outrage doesn't make for a good justice system.
Sure it does. What do you think law is? What do you think the NAP is? It's some guy saying "This isn't good, don't do that" and putting a penalty on it (in the NAP's case you get a tomahawk missile thrown at your house).

>>128131101

Prescription pill abuse is even more damning for lolbertarianism.

o man is an island. We are called to forego self-interested pleasure seeking in favor of the cultivation of manly and positive virtues, which we can then put forth in service of the collective.

This is the stuff that makes human societies flourish. Individualism, the opposite of the virtuous submission of the self to the collective, can only be seen as a particular sort of cancer.

Only when every human being occupies a position of subservience to their community is society collectively supported and constructively advanced; when this relationship becomes inverted, the structure begins to crumble.

>>128131069
Authoritarianism works and keeps society in check while preserving important values

Source: See entire human history

>>128126402
if you legalise drugs they won't need to kill anyone. they'll just get them cheap and then die liek the disgusting junkies they are

>>128131268
>kebab

>>128131355
>I'm just going to say shit like it's true
>I win

>>128125793i can guarantee you did something else that made you ineligible because every time i or and anyone else I know needed housing benefit we got it.

>>128131029

The point is banning something over as "degeneracy" is a pretty weak argument since just about everyone has their own standard of what degeneracy actually is. Morality is inconstant as fuck when laws should be the opposite of that.

>>128131325

The root of the problem is that drugs exist and are enjoyable. Enabling drug use is the polar opposite of solving the problem. Zero tolerance policies combined with heavy social stigma works. Look at Japan.

>>128125617
addicts are usually a threat. they'd be banned or otherwise forced to leave.

>>128131400

Beautifully said. We all operate under license from society and our community. Rampant individualism is the gateway to social decay degeneracy and alienation

>>128131686
Why not ostracize them?

>>128130781
Apparently nothing is an argument.

You were just given data demonstrating decriminalization of all drugs has led to better outcomes for both drug users (decreased rate of disease) and the society they live in (reduction in violence) which your argument in >>128126012 is baed upon.

And in a libertarian society one community could be under contract that drugs are not welcome in the community unless prescribed by an accredited physician, whereas another community may have a contract which permits drugs.


It's all about allowing people to choose.

>>128131621
>Morality is inconstant as fuck when laws should be the opposite of that.
Laws are almost entirely based on morality, the fuck are you on about?
Nice job thinking there isn't a general consensus on morality though. I guess selling heroin to kids IS fine when you think about it.

>>128126296
Are you retarded you think that 1/3 of the population would start taking drugs. In most place if you want drugs you can get them regardless. The only thing that would happen if you legalised drugs would be that police wouldn't waste time chasing drug dealers and they would tackle actual crime instead. Druggies would continue to fuck shit up same as they always do no real change there.

maybe people would stop using drugs, if nobody bails them out, so their survival instincts would kick in maybe

>>128125617
No need to deal with it at all.

>>128131893

An authoritarian heavy handed approach is the way to help addicts. Even if legalisation works (which it doesn't) from a moral standpoint having needle exchange programs is not acceptable.

>>128128250
Who the fuck are you to forbid someone to use heroin if they want? Let them die if that's what's going to happen. You CAN give advice, but never forbid. If they don't listen...

>>128130778
Christianity partially brought its own downfall by sticking rigidly to its literal interpretation as society became more capable of understanding the finer, abstract points of things. This turned it into the "haha, you believe in this sky man" instead of trying to understand more important, abstracted meanings present within the bible and what god can truly reperesent.

>>128125617
As long as you are the one selling the drugs, they can OD to death.

>>128131893
>And in a libertarian society one community could be under contract that drugs are not welcome in the community unless prescribed by an accredited physician
Yeah man, they're going to obey a contract when they won't obey laws.

>>128132192
>but never forbid
Sure you can.

Stupidly.

>lol just legalize and regulate all the hard drugs

Yeah man, let's introduce heroin and crack cocaine on a large scale, I can't see this going horribly wrong at all

They're just so ready to roll the dice with all of western civilization over their petty political aims

Anyone else noticing that pro Libertarian threads are being deleted? While ones like this that stay up and get flooded with misinformation and "lolbertarian." I've seen before... Drumpf anyone? Come on newfags, wake up.

>>128132192
Out of love for your relatives you fucking faggot. Sometimes you have to step in and force them to do what's best for them.
Couldn't give a fuck about a stranger dying of heroin addiction though.

>>128131870
that doesn't work on everyone and you need to remove the threat to useful people.

>>128132615
If we just legalize pedophilia no one will do it duh don't be such a bigot.

>>128131910

Motherfucker selling heroin to kids ISN'T fine. That's why you jail the drug dealers and manufacturers but throwing drug users in prison that haven't done anything wrong isn't a viable solution. They should only be criminally prosecuted if they have caused harm to someone else or another individuals property. But if they're high as fuck alone in a room then they don't impose a threat to anyone.

The drug war has been nothing but a FAILURE because jailing some asshole for life because he got caught with weed three times doesn't fix shit. Hell, even here up in Rural Queensland we got ice epidemic going on. What's your solution to that? Throwing the addicted into prison without any treatment? Good luck with that as they'll just end up back there again after committing robbery or something because they need their fix. Drug use is a horrible cycle and it has to be ended by getting those people into rehab and getting the treatment they need. By criminalizing drug use you're putting an unnecessary stigma on people who have to be treated.

>>128132608
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>>128132688
I understan what you are trying to say, but you're relatives, no matter how much you love them, are free people and it's their CHOICE. You are free to persuade them, but if they don't want to listen you can't do anything.

>>128125617
We can start by setting up more rehabilitation centers for non-dealers

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>>128132779
>Motherfucker selling heroin to kids ISN'T fine
Hang the fuck on, the child consented m8. Who are YOU trying to impose YOUR morals on a merchant and his client?

>but throwing drug users in prison that haven't done anything wrong
But they have, they're a plague on society. It's also a good chance for them to sober up.

>They should only be criminally prosecuted if they have caused harm to someone else or another individuals property
Do you support the ban of drink driving? They've hurt no one so there's no crime, right? The fact they're on a path to cause harm to others (in druggies cases, society too) is irrelevant if they haven't caused harm yet.

>The drug war has been nothing but a FAILURE
And why do you think that is anon?
I bet it's because you think they're trying their absolute damnedest but it's just not working, right? Then in the next breath you'll talk about how corrupt the government is and how nothing is run properly.
The drug war's a failure because the government has let it be a failure. They don't want to win it because every day the problem isn't fixed they're still getting paid.
All you need is someone willing.

>>128132368
good post. essentially not diving into minimalism and more philosophy based incarnations, Christianity shot into own's foot. Protestantism started of good but failed to bring that sweet sweet nirvana achieving aspect. Other orthodox versions is meme tier. It would be so much better for whole Christian world not to be so backwards-shoe-on-head retarted. Contrary to this site's autists beliefs.

>>128132368
You are correct it did bring its own downfall, however I do't think that was the intention of the author(s). I am truly convinced that the intention was to create a society that was as close to perfect as they could possibly create. I've read the bible multiple times and the more we diverge from it the more we adopt social systems that are bound to fail

>>128129440
This
>not selling to kids
>leaving untapped markets

>>128133639

>Hang the fuck on, the child consented m8. Who are YOU trying to impose YOUR morals on a merchant and his client?

I'm not arguing on a libertarian perspective, I am not a libertarian. So no, I don't care if the kid consented, he's a fucking child so chances are the child doesn't fully comprehend the consequences of taking drugs.

>But they have, they're a plague on society. It's also a good chance for them to sober up.

They are not a plague. To have any hope of fixing the drug epidemic you most come from a point of compassion. They don't take drugs because they are bad people but take them because bad things have happened to them in life and want to escape it. But doing so they hopelessly trap themselves with addiction. There's a reason why alot of homeless people are addicted to drugs. Either their addiction became too much to handle and ended up homeless or they take them to escape from their shitty lives. Improving the socioeconomic woes of our society will do great wonders in curbing addiction. Unless those prisons have rehab programs chances are they're just gonna get crazier and more violent while in prison.

>Do you support the ban of drink driving? They've hurt no one so there's no crime, right? The fact they're on a path to cause harm to others (in druggies cases, society too) is irrelevant if they haven't caused harm yet.

Good point, although in the case of drink driving I'd say more individual responsibility can be put on the drink driver as they KNOW they're operating a vehicle under the influence. It's debatable.

>I bet it's because you think they're trying their absolute damnedest but it's just not working, right?

Oh I'm sure those American officers are doing their best. I really do think they are. But after 30 or so years you'd think you wanna try to approach this at a different angle since you current plan of jailing everyone isn't really doing much.

>>128133973
Isn't minimalism a fairly recent philosophy? I see this downfall as happening since the mid-1700s as science and philosophy began to seperate, education was rising and so was the acceptance of science.
>>128134697
It was for sure not intentional, I think they just made a mistake and weren't able to adapt out of fear of pushing away those who believed in God at that time.

I think it is incredibly telling of Christianity as a philosophy that it birthed practically every modern society and every philosopher that pushed the understanding of ourselves and reasoning. It should have embraced those things and so should we as societies and it's a damn shame we don't.

>>128135260
There is another thing aswell, I find it truly strange that smart people dismiss the whole bible right away. It is almost necessary to be considered "smart" to be atleast atheist, i guess it was this mentality that made me look deeper into this and truly red-pill me. I used to be atheist, but now I am fully convinced, seeing events of present day unfold, that our society abandoned our foundational ideals and we are sinking deeper into corruption and decadency.

>>128125617
How are we dealing with it now? Libertarian society would still frown upon your picture. It obviously is detrimental to the child or children in the picture. Harm to others is not just me punching you in the face. Intimidating you is also not ok even though no physical harm has occurred. There's all sorts of parents that drink until drunk and no harm of any kind happens to the child. There's plenty of responsible ways to use drugs if you want without harming your kids. I think all drugs could be used responsibly, some easier than others, and no harm would be done to anyone else. Obviously meth use would take someone of iron will to do only occasionally but anyone of high enough intelligence that is capable of the NAP would most likely steer clear of it. There's also those that are rich as fuck and could do meth and never have problems because they could stay home, not drive, and just tweek out without harming anyone but themselves. Why do you or society get decide that they can't?

>>128126402
>If you don't give them money they will kill you

Seems like the kind of people I don't want to give money to.

Rather spend that money in extra defense.

>>128134863
>So no, I don't care if the kid consented
Great. I don't care if the adult consented, chances are he doesn't fully comprehend the consequences. I doubt many people take the first hit thinking it'll be so heavily addicting they'll be robbing people to get another.

>They are not a plague. To have any hope of fixing the drug epidemic you most come from a point of compassion.
They certainly are and you really don't. As I said, kill the dealers and any druggies who refuse to go to rehab. The rehab is as much compassion as I'm willing to give them. Maybe just jail the dealers that hand themselves in.

>because bad things have happened to them in life and want to escape it
That's a load of shit in the majority of cases and you know it and in the others running isn't solving shit.

>Oh I'm sure those American officers are doing their best.
Oh I'm sure the officers are, think a bit higher (pun unintended).
>But after 30 or so years you'd think you wanna try to approach this at a different angle since you current plan of jailing everyone isn't really doing much.
I agree, jail is pretty shit isn't it, the entire concept needs a bit of a rework since you're really just creating a den of criminals. Personally I like the idea of exile but it's not really possible now days is it. Death camps when?

>>128129960
You're retarded. Hoppe is OUR ideology.

People who say "you need to cake the gay wedding cake" are not libertarians.

>>128126182
Χρυσαυγιτάkι γίνεσαι ρεζίλι

άντε στο youtube, το /πολ/ είναι ανkαπ μέχρι το μεδούλι

>>128136461
It's harder to defend than attack anon.

>>128136066
I whole heartedly agree, it's an incredibly odd phenomena that these "smart" people are capable of generating level of abstract thought needed to understand science and maths at a greater than average level yet they actively choose to dismiss it as "fairy tale",
completely ignoring that fairy tale can convey meaning that it is important of a personal, societal and culutral level.

There is some sort of active attempt at dismissal of the bible in these minds, completely ignoring the presence of the concepts it teaches in our very lives and the concepts of how it was even written. Maybe people are just too abstract for a significant majority of people to even try to understand not only others and the structures they live in but themselves.

>>128136652
>2017 στην Ελλάδα
>δεν ειναι νατσοk

Κομ ον ιτ ισ 2017

>>128125617
My customers

>>128126381
Sounds like Mad Max

>>128127944
i understand that, but it is preferable to death. Opioids are not something anyone should try. People will eventually get tired of being an addict, and take drugs that treat the opioid addiction, and slowly wean themselves off the drug.

>>128129548
Just because you elected a socialist european traitor milf chaser doesn't mean everyone does as well

>>128125617
The problem of drug abuse would be handled by the citizenry itself, private treatment companies, and if in the act of drug abuse the abusers violate the NAP than by law. By extension, the act of peddling drugs into a society which bring harm to said society, (maintained by those who wield the most economic power such as real estate who in turn get to dictate the laws of those who put themselves under their lease), is in itself a violation of the NAP and thus would subject those who manufacturer, sell, or smuggle such a substance to Private law enforcement.

In truth libertarianism gets you a psuedo monarchism where anyone with enough gumption can become a king of a given area.

>>128125617
by paying denbts

>>128131125
the commune is a bolshevik jew creation

you can deride muh "rugged individualism" all you want until you either starve to death or murder someone and steal the food he was growing

i love communism, where the collective (not me) pays for my irresponsibility

that's the best way to get responsible ppl

>>128125708
Fpbp, let them die. The free market truly does fix everything.

>>128133639
ppl pushing prison as drug rehabilitation as if prison doesn't ruin your life

>>128125617
Seeing as they ran from the fight over "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" and became a bunch of druggies, they wouldn't

>>128133639
pretending kids can consent to things they don't fully understand

>>128125617
Poor kid...they at least tried having a child...they failed right after

the people that can't moderate ruin their lives or od , then the population begins to have less people with self control issues.

>>128126898
>implying this doesn't already happen
>implying the government is innocent in this regard

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>>128136952
All people are afraid to challenge their own beliefs, I don't believe for a second that lets say the more educated people are any different.

There is this weird trend with mainstream science that is featured on media channels that tries to i think downplay human value. "we're just a tiny insignificant spec in the universe" is something i find truly stupid. Surely we must have some value since we are sentient beings aware of reality. Surely that is worth something, why don't we try to understand ourselves more

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>>128125617
I don't care, it's not my problem. If they knowingly and willingly take drugs like heroin or meth or coke and especially if they are well informed about the ill effects, they deserve the punishment they get. I don't see any reason why people shouldn't do whatever fucked up shit they want to do to their body, it just fuels my abstinence from that.

I just don't understand how people can have the conscience to do shit like that to themselves and to others, especially kids.

White genocide through opiods, I love it.

>>128140186
The fact that we can impact the quantumn state simply by observing it shows we are more than just something small and insignificant. Our very will of perception has an impact on the structure of our reality.

It wouldn't. If you wanna take drugs, do it.

>>128132430
Why sell your heroin in this city if it doesn't allow that and strictly enforces the contract, when you can go to the city right over and sell that shit to anyone? Or what if one particular establishment didn't want people to smoke inside and asked them to do it outside? You think people aswell as the owners of the establishment wouldn't get pissed off about the asshole blowing cancer in their face?

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>>128126506
As opposed to what?

You advocate slavery and then mock the people who denounce slavery.

You advocate murder and then mock the people who denounce murder.

You advocate theft and then mock the people who denounce theft.

Follow your own ideology and kill yourself for the greater good.

>>128125617
Libertarians can't deal with externalities, freedom as a political goal is utterly incoherent and leads to nothing except a consumerist concrete jungle full of VR wearing drug addicts who will get crushed when the neighbouring country decides so.

>>128125617

what do we do with junkies?

1. put them in jail for years then they get back into it after they leave.

2. They take ownership of their lives, go to rehab, and struggle against their addiction their whole life.

The only viable solution is the addict chooses to be a better person. The states intervention isn't helping anyone anyways.

>the government told me it was bad and that's why I don't use drugs

Why are there retards ITT that think the only reason they take or don't take drugs is because it's illegal? Do you really have no will of your own? Could you have never come to that conclusion on your own? Is it possible that some people are able to use it recreationally and not be an addicted, economy draining junkie? Use some common sense, brainlets.

>>128126703
Greeks are commies, why do you care? Libertarianism will never have an significant support in Greece

There is no way to guarantee people won't abuse drugs, the only thing you can do is isolate yourself from their externalities.

Decentralization on judgement is an effective tool, in a small village, the "whore" is frowned upon and ostracized. Degeneracy is only viable when you can avoid judgement, and the best way to avoid judgement is the state and it's hyper centralization
that leads people to abandon the idea of living anywhere but in cities.

The state doesn't discriminate, the state doesn't judge you, the state doesn't know you, yet they will offer you things.

If drug addict people had to expose themselves to be judged in order to obtain access to health insurance, to a place to live, to a security insurance, they would not have it as easy.

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>>128140676
>Evil people will ruin it so just be evil

Kill yourself

>>128125617

"Hoppe writes that towns and villages could have warning signs saying "no beggars, bums, or homeless, but also no homosexuals, drug users, Jews, Moslems, Germans, or Zulus" "

Sounds good to me

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>fucking greek trying to say anything about drug abuse when I bought heroin from a sandnigger in Athens in full view of the cops who didn't give a shit.

go unfuck yourself

>>128140676
How we gonna get crushed when the free market leads us to having sci fi tech and you're coming at us with AK's?

>>128130709
>>thousands of druggy cunts with no welfare/job prospects and no way to get their fix
>Do you see how this may end badly?

That's why you learn to protect yourself. I've been robbed half a dozen Times anyway. The state doesn't protect us or recover what was stolen anyways. The state provides no solution to ANYTHING.

> it's an edgy teen lolbertarian advocates death camps for drug users thread

every time

>>128125617
Make sure there is help available to those want it without there being laws to force people into it

For those who dont want help, basically;

>>128125708
This

In an ancap society drugs would be unrestricted.

The price would drop.

People would be able to develop new drugs, maybe even safer drugs, without interference.

>>128131969
This is a dumb person statement, you're better than that

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>>128141997
Junkies could also be physically removed from private property for those who wish to live in a drug free community.

>>128142227
Also people would be able to fully discriminate those who use drugs.

Oh you use drugs? No business with you. No job for you.

Let them die.

If they are important enough for someone, for family, for friends, for colleagues, someone is going to break the NAP and take him forcibly to their house and chain the person until their system is drug free.

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>>128142453
One could create a bounty system that rewards people for identifying or removing junkies from society. Anti-degens could make money hunting junkies.

One could also create an institution that attracts junkies to it by offering them drugs and shelter, then either rehabilitate them or put them to work in unfavorable jobs in exchange for hits.

Why are anti-degens against this?

I growed cannabis and mushrooms for selling and get 6months prison. im also user myself ask me something

With no public housing, where the fuck are junkies gonna live? Just in some junkie shack in the middle of nowhere with other junkies.

>>128143172
Finding any work nowadays?

>>128142227
>>128142453

You do realise that they're just going to try and rob you in your sleep though, right?

We're already allowed to throw junkies in a cage and that doesn't work.

Final solution is only solution.

>>128142976
Good luck getting a junkie or alcoholic to work. They will either be high/pissed so they can't do it anyway, or they will be withdrawing so they can't do it anyway.
Plus theyd have the shittiest attitude ever to their managers and try get out of doing it in any way possible.

>>128143204
That's where they live anyway.

>>128126703
I remember when the cool kids on /b were all pro weed 10 years ago, what a bunch of fags we were

>>128141074
You're assuming freedom is the absolute end goal of any moral system. Not everyone believes that.

I for example believe minimising suffering and maximising happiness is a goal. Sometimes it's best to put animals down even if they are still fighting to live? Ya get me?

>>128143265
I have not tried to find a job. before and after.

>>128127633
Then you're buying guns and risking your life. It's still paying for it. You're also paying for the cops and the morgue. And no, artificially creating jobs isn't good.

>>128144164
Everything is cheap when there are no restrictions on supply, my man

>>128144049
actually i had a job but story begans when i start to get paid i bought immediatly growing equipment quit the job and began gettin money from my bisnes

>>128144307
Some things become even more expensive when they dont get subsidised

>>128133639
>durr weed makes people lazy! and i'm going to post all these shitty strawmen because i'm an asshole whose shitty morality argument got shut down

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>>128143676
Excellent.

Minimize suffering and maximize happiness by killing yourself.

Or change your beliefs to something coherent and moral.

>>128125617
Libertarians believe drug use is a victimless crime.
They start from the erroneous precept that people are generally and inherently good.

>>128131969
Plus, if we legalize the drugs then we can actually start addressing drug use from a position of health rather than legality.

>>128144495
>Minimize suffering and maximize happiness by killing yourself.

That actually works if you're a miserable fuck though. I know plenty of people that should do that.

Suicide minimises suffering and minimises happiness too though. So it only works if you suffer more than you feel happy.

>>128144540
Please identify the victim.

>>128144696
But its pretty fucking obvious recreational drugs are unhealthy. It's established science.

>>128144741
You are a part of society. Any damage you cause yourself is damage to society. Also by law of memetics it's also likely to spread to other people.

No matter how good of a father you are, you might not be able to stop your daughter hanging out with then niggers that get her smoking weed and xtc, see?

>>128144724
>So it only works if you suffer more than you feel happy

This is literally every single person at every single point in time. If one is happy, then they will not do. People do only to counter suffering.

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Again, prohibition exacerbates the drug/alcohol/substance abuse problem. The welfare state exacerbates the problem further.

>>128144741
The common good of society as a whole, the general lowering of morality and standards. In above pic, themselves and kids.

>>128125617
Let the OD while denying them the healthcare they cannot afford, obviously.

>>128144880
>But its pretty fucking obvious recreational drugs are unhealthy. It's established science.

So are cupcakes, nicotine, alcohol, fried chicken, coca-cola, cheeseburgers, video games, and bacon.

Poisoning people is just good business. Drug dealers are CEOs.

>>128145035
Um yeah. Aren't libertarians the ones that think you should be allowed to kill yourself though?

I dont think you should be allowed to, especially when you're young, because of the posibility to increase happiness and lower suffering through action.

Also you might be affecting other people: suicide will make your friends and family hurt which increases net suffering

>>128145317
Non of those things are anywhere near as bad as most illegal drugs.

They don't have drastic effects on your consciousness. If a drug has a drastic effect on your consciousness that means your brain is thrown off of homeostasis and it's interrupting processes required to understand the world and behave correctly.

Lock them in a room with a television while they're coming down and make them watch videos of them being fucked up around their children and testimonies from their children of how mommy and daddy scare them when they act strange.

It's their choice to be an ass anon

>>128145631
This doesn't work. Drug addicts don't give a fuck about their kids. Male or female.

They'll cry and shit but they won't stop using.

>>128125617
Who defines abuse?

>>128144741
If a heart attack patient needs to wait in an emergency room for some OD motherfucker, than that right there is a victim.

Just because the gov't it self does nothing about drug abuse doesn't mean as a community we can't help these people.

Damn people are always looking for government to give them an answer rather then looking for one themselves

>>128146514
Taking chemicals that have drastic effects on your consciousness and disrupt the natural homeostatic state of your brain and it's chemical balances is abuse.

>>128146600
What is your solution then?

>>128125617
You don't. Darwin's law.

>>128147362
Darwins law only works on things that kill you, not on things that disable you. Especially these days

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>>128125793
Doesn't work, they will just band together and start doing crimes in order to get their fix, the answer is culling the undesirables and instigating fear in the minds of the infants by actually making examples out of them if they ever become deranged.

>>128143525
I figure it's like when your parents start using the new kids lingo around you and your friends that makes you want to drop it.

>>128125708
Quality first post.

No gibsmedat.

If you're a productive member of society and want to use drugs, it's your right.

Ayn Rand says greedy men will build faster better trains and quash the unions and politicians in her fantasy world, so actual people with real life problems don't matter.

>>128125708
This. I smoke pot like 4 times a week and I hope that everyone that can't manage it properly or cut back when needed dies in a fire

But who would build the roads?

Check mate libertardians

>>128125860
Natural selection doesn't care about your sentiments. You are a subject of this process right fucking now want you this or not.

>>128126345
yes

Society as a whole "dealing with it" is a socialist thing. In a libertarian society each individual will bear the cost of their own actions, no one will be coerced to pay for treatment to others at the same time people will on their own accord help others, just look at churches or ngos and such nowadays (and by the way they do more for drug addicted than the state does) even if the state try to deal with it people still donate or do other types of contributions to such private organizations. Without the state enforcing drug prohibition or taxation on them, much of todays problems will go away, and if people continue to use more "hardcore" drugs the problem is on them not in society.

>>128130778
> Too bad postmodernists and communists pushed hatred of religion on normies.
Communists create religion themselves. How is preaching equality, feminism and climate changes feels? Not tired from religion yet?

>>128147797
You do know that 4 times a week is enough to cause brain damage right?

>inb4 hurr I dont think Im brain damaged therefore im not braindamaged

>>128147819
My company would.

>>128147897
So you're fine with niggers trying to persuade your daughters to take drugs then?

>>128125617
Go balls to the wall Duterte on them because they violated the NAP by endangering their child.

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>>128125617
Libertarians: please tell me how our sidewalks are a good thing.

>>128125867
Why do you gotta help the kids? Is there a moralistic obligation to others in libertarianism now?

If someone wants to help the children they will.

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>>128148315
What is my daughters doing hanging with niggers? They are grounded then.

>>128147595
I can't tell if you've had no contact with drug users ever or if you've had too much contact with gypo druggies. I've known a lot of addicts and career criminals, and trust me, they're better than all these fucking retarded ledditor college kids. I'm not even joking. I'll take crazy hippies over deranged hipsters any day.

Any argument based on degeneracy and social decay is bait and can be dismissed without engagement. Do not validate them with responses.

>>128148578
Oh shit you grounded her? Now she wants to hang out with niggers even more, shes gonna sneak out and do drugs with them. You're fucked.

>>128148600
Thanks cuckold libertarian. Fucking your wife isnt a violation of the NAP and is an argument based on degeneracy and social decay so I guess shes fair game ;)

>>128125617
Libertarians, eg. classical liberals, are responsible for the rise of contemporary liberalism.
Without Locke, Voltaire, and Jefferson, there would be no SJW.

>>128130709
Then they get fucking DEALT with.

I'm not advocating a libertarian society, but I'm not retarded either.

>>128148769
>shes gonna sneak out
Not when she is locked and if she tries she gets rod.

By getting rid of MUH FEELINGS that permeates society, pictures like that won't affect us as much.

That's right - we should become more autistic. Stop falling for traps. Libertarianism works if we aren't all mouthbreathers.

>>128148941
>Without Locke, Voltaire, and Jefferson, there would be no US
A man can only dream about such paradise.

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>>128125950
so basically nothing because the ideology is retarded. You cant just ignore issues and think everything will work out cas MUH FREDOM

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>>128146514
This irish fucker is bad at listening. You asked for who defines it, he does not say who defines it.

Apparently he defines reality.

>>128126218
you pay for it by having a society filled with junkies you dolt.

>>128149081
Yes. There would also be no Marxism.
Truly, it began Protestantism, but laying the blame at the feet of the secularist liberals is good enough for now without identifying the source, theological liberalism.

>>128126381
>lolbertarian society all thise degenrate disgusting things would be legal
thats libertarianism in a nut shell

>>128125617
Abolish welfare. That way people have to worry about going to work rather than sitting on their butts shooting up all day on taxpayer dollars.

Using drugs is fine as long as you have a job. What is ruining society are unemployed people, like most of the burgers on this board at this very moment.

>>128147053
so too many potatoes causing an insulin spike is abuse?

>>128125617
>that dinosaur shirt
tearing up

>>128125617
Some people abuse drugs because they are compelled to do so and no knowledge or law is going to stop them. Some people abuse drugs because they know that if they get into trouble then our socialist society will bail them out and pick up the pieces. Others do it because they're just fucking stupid.

A libertarian society would do nothing for the first group because there is nothing that can be done. It would protect the second group because they would have to take responsibility for themselves. And any decent society, regardless of the level of authoritarianism would simply educate the last group.

>>128149388
No because being Insulin resistant doesn't disrupt the homeostasis of your brain. It makes you store more fat. How is that anything close to what I said?

>>128148315
People do drugs for a whole lot of reasons, outright banning it dosent stop people from buying or selling it and grant the dindus or any other bad mofo the control of the market. That said is the parents responsability to teach their children better, some times this dosent work others do, its all about individual pareting way and its effectivines. People try to pursues others to alchool, cigarretes, sex, organized religion and many others things nowadays with state this will not change in a libertarian society, only that each individual will awnser for their actions, i will do everything on my power to my daughters not ending up addicted but if they do they did on their own accord.

>>128148893
I'm not libertarian, but your response doesn't make sense. Are you calling for the killing of any man that seduces a married woman? Your claims seem to imply that what is and is not degenerate is a cut and dry issue. That is infantile at best.

>>128125617
>How would a libertarian society deal with drug abuse?
they wouldn't
because they fail to realize that its not "only your body" when you use drugs that in any way affect your actions.

Sure if the only downside to taking drugs was that you are not allowed to leave your house and you can't do it with minors present I wouldn't give to shits about it. But once you interact with people while under the influence its not only about you.

>>128148984
Violation of NAP

>>128126954
>heir product would be cheaper and purer so less nasty side effects and less crime to pay for habits.
until they die or still run out of money becas junkies dont usually work. Libertarians have way to much optimism for human behavior.

>>128143676
>calling people animals
>don't have to feel bad leading them to the slaughterhouse now

>>128149740
No but I do think adultery should be illegal. The guy fucking your wife isnt the one who broke a contract.

>>128125617
Libertarianism is an ideology for smart people who think everyone is as smart as them.
It can only work if everyone realizes that acting in a certain way is beneficial to everyone.

Drug abuse is a decent example. The state enforcing drug laws and protecting its citizens is only necessary because people don't act in their own rational self interest.

But a libertarian society requires exactly that, people acting in their own rational self interest, then the NAP actually works.
Needlessly to say almost no one actually does that.

>>128149343
How does an unemployed person ruin society?

>>128149794
Except I think factory farming should be illegal.

Play Bioshock and see what happens

>>128149696
being fat is just as much of a detriment to public safety as being a junkie in a free society

>>128127848
I think your argument, your comparative examples, your shitty flow chart and your flag are wrong, can we make Internet not work in your country?

>>128149885
>It can only work if everyone realizes that acting in a certain way is beneficial to everyone.

That applies to every utopian ideology ever.

>>128149717
>Banning it doenst stop people from using it

Yes it absolutely does.
And you can't stop your children from doing drugs if they come into contact with an influence greater than you. You seem to admit this but then write it off as a non-issue? How is that a non-issue?
Your her dad, she won't think you're cool when shes a teenager. No matter what. There is NOTHING you can do about that.
She will probably also think drugs are cool if her friends convince her, which again there is NOTHING you can do about that, unless you make drugs illegal.

>>128150034
>That applies to every utopian ideology ever.
Exactly and that is why they will never work.

>>128145405
this is the end argument of the ppl who call it "lolbertarianism": you shouldn't even be able to kill yourself without permission from the govt

good luck trying to stop ppl who really want to, faggot

>>128150034
And that's why we shouldn't have utopian idealogies we should have realistic ones