Thanks for destroying the planet, Trump. But hey at least you

> believes the same great lefty feelingz science that brought us Hillary's 99% chance of winning the election

>>128097812
>Has no proof to counter the overwhelming scientific evidence that suggests otherwise

Welcome to 2017 where conservacucks claim liberals are snowflakes but value their feelings over science

>listening to CNN
Jewish shill, gtfo

>>128098148
>leaf
It's always the leafs

>>128098148

Given the climate-change import of the election, where were the scientists and mathematicians countering the 99% claim?

>>128097176
Hurrr global warming real / drumpf bad / fuck off

>>128098148

SHUT UP YOU STUPID FUCKING LEAF

>>128099124
Source

>>128099287
>Can't argue the point because he knows he's wrong
>Better meme post

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>>128097176
>70 jobs that will provide the same amount of power as 5,530 solar workers

NICE

Nice.

>>128097176

If the difference is so minuscule, then why the butthurt?

You can't claim this won't have any significant impact in industry and resource extraction and claim it is the worst thing ever for the environment. It is either one or the other.

>>128097176
>china and india have no plans of stopping their coal production anytime soon
>somehow America is the bad guy for pointing this out
really gets the noggin joggin

>>128097176
>vote for us otherwise the entire planet will explode!!!

stay fukt

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>>128099303

Pic related: Lefty science -- it pays more not to contest it.

You stupid fucking piece of shit.
This was not about 'muh coal jobs'. This was about saving billions by not funneling money to corrupt developing countries where it will all end up in the hands of the dictators ruling those places.

>>128099902
>one guy predictions something
>all scientists
>think's he's making a good argument

nigger neck yourself.

>>128099479
Isn't it better to create more jobs tho?

>>128099343

Solar is trash and does way more damage to the environment because of rare earth metals needed to mine it you stupid fucking leaf

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>>128098488
trump is literally jewish

>>128097176
You know what doesn't make sense?
Paying 3 billion a year to help the chinks air that we already owe trillions too.

>>128100125
> predictions something
> think's he's

You write like an uneducated retard. No wonder you're a leftist.

>>128100156
>implying I'm advocating for solar
>literally has to make up imaginary arguments to make a point

Nice try retard.

>>128099902
Sam wang isn't a climate scientist...

>>128097176
Fucking orange nigger

>>128100247
>call out grammar on the internet because his argument is baseless
>literally has no other options

kek

>>128097176

Stop consuming so much, city retard.

>>128100268
>I'm advocating

Idiot leaf retard, the environment clean energy movement that is going apeshit over Trump has a massive hard on for solar faggot. Holy shit go swallow bleach you pathetic low IQ subhuman leaf

>>128100137
Not really.

>>128100271

No shit.

Just buy more iPads and Priuses, those are saving the environment

>>128097176
Those 70 jobs are the equivalent of 5,530 solar jobs.

>It takes 79 solar workers to produce same amount of electric power as one coal worker

http://www.aei.org/publication/inconvenient-energy-fact-it-takes-79-solar-workers-to-produce-same-amount-of-electric-power-as-one-coal-worker/

Wouldn't allow me to archive.

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/01/f34/2017 US Energy and Jobs Report_0.pdf

>>128097812

It's hard to fathom how retarded you must be to think that guessing who will win an election has anything whatsoever to do with science.

Consider that if the majority of humans were like you, we would still be living in caves.

>>128099573
>>china and india have no plans of stopping their coal production anytime soon
Dude, Chinks have plan of replacement 30% of coal energy to 2020

>>128097176
Relax its going to take fucking long time + go tell china to stop poluting.

>>128097176
kill yourself shill rat

>>128098148
Hey, can you provide a repeatable model that proves that humans CO2 outputs are strongly correlated with an increase in global temperature?

>>128100377

No, it's because I recognize you as the leaf who continually drops this "uneducated suburban and rural retard" thing. Yet you write like a nigger dropped on his head. So get an education and learn English, you deadbeat nigger.

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>>128100377
Son youre nothing but a faggot from a country run by a pretty goy.. errr pretty boy. You ought to look in your backyard before you start calling America's WINNING out.

>>128100687
So what you're saying is that solar is inefficient as fuck? Gotcha

>>128097176
You should really kys. Nobody would miss you. Matter of fact your death would bring great joy to the masses

>>128100247
He's Chinese, you should understand.

Nigger thinks he has the sophistication required to lecture on science when he can't even pass basic grammar.

>>128100923
It's hilarious showing that to Liberals, they actually think it's a good thing.

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>>128100167
>signs waiver preventing US embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
>Israel's claim to own all of Jerusalem BTFO
yeah, he's totally a jew

>>128100740
13 years isn't anytime soon and they only have to get it below the carbon amount they produced in 2005

>>128100928

>I'm proud to be one of the stupid masses, intelligent people should kill themselves

Shouldn't you be moving to Africa? Pretty sure you'd be happier there together with people who share your sentiments.

>>128100872
>country run by a pretty goy
And your country run by fat goy.

>>128100733

Another retard who misses the point. If the left lack the intellectual integrity required to call out a simple fucking election prediction, then I don't trust them with something more complex.

>>128100835
>has literally never made a spelling error on the internet in his entire life
>still has no real proof to combat the overwhelming evidence that climate change is real and there is empirical evidence to back it

>>128100872
>Implying that if I was born in Canada that it'd be my choice to make
>Implying that being born in a country means that you suddenly support everything it stands for and have to respect the governing bodies and what they stand for

I'm American born on a work trip in Canada faggot nice try though. Would you prefer if I proxy to make you feel better?

>>128097812
Can't tell if aussiposting or genuinely retarded

>>128101206
>13 years
3 years.
And it's still better than American oil-coal oligarchy

>>128097176
>they still think insulting half of the American voters is a winning strategy

>>128101254
>one scientist predicts Hillary to win
>this must mean all science is leftist
>this must mean all scientists are leftists
>this must mean that all science is wrong because someone called a prediction science and I believed them

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>>128100923
kekd
my thought exactly

>>128097176
That's one. With the criminal regulations destroyed, more will follow.

>>128098148
Fuck off, faggot.

>>128101572
>It's another "I can't argue the facts so I better just insult them" post

>>128101254

Your point is pretty easy to miss when it's so far off mark anon.

I know you're autistic so I'll explain it to you:

The people who predicted Hillary's winning chances are not the same people who research climate change. CNN analysts don't work for NASA in their spare time. You massive fucking retard.

>>128097176
How to solve Climate Change:

Exterminate the mouth breathers in Africa causing it.

Problem solved.

>>128101271

One of the distinguishing features of science is falsifiability. Climate science fails one falsifiable prediction after another.

>>128097176
>creating 70 jobs is a bad thing
The ocean is made of drops.

>>128101337
>3 years.
sorry I was thinking about the 60% mark for 2030.

>And it's still better than American oil-coal oligarchy
Its way better than dumping large amounts of money to the UN that's going to steal 90% of it and used to rest to build solar panels in 3rd world countries.

>>128101549
they weren't criminal dumbass. you not liking them doesn't make them illegal, if they were then why isn't obama being prosecuted?? republicans have a lot of the power what's stopping them?/ oh yeah it's because your narrative of "overreach" is bullshit. If it was overreach then they would have ended up like Trump's FAILED travel ban. Sad!

>>128100137
when the government needs to step in and literally make up random bs jobs, you're in trouble.
the russians and east germans tried that.
the resulting proverb goes "they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work"

>>128100687
you say that like it's a good thing

>>128101469

How many scientists contested the claim or pointed out that the claim wasn't scientific? Jeezus fuck you're dumb with your nigger genes.

>>128098488
Listening to reporters who are required to cite their sources before publishing. You guys are fucking retarded. Get out of your God damn vacuum and do a little bit of critical thinking.

>>128097176

>nebulous, unenforceable "legislation"
>destroying the planet

Does JIDF even try?

>>128101707

Missed the point again.

>>128101740

Africa doesn't contribute to climate change whatsoever, retard. The biggest culprits are the US, China and Russia.

>>128101897
Your control of the government has been broken, and your criminal behavior will no longer be tolerated. Our people will be allowed to conduct their business again free of your shackles.

I'm sorry that you lost. Well, not actually, I'm quite glad. You will have a very pleasant few days when the Supreme Court strikes down the similarly criminal court decision against the Travel Ban, as well.

Embarrassing to be so ignorant. Also Obama is being probed right now--I expect he'll be made to suffer as well. Good, I say. He deserves to be imprisoned for his crimes against the American people.

>>128101993
>implying that real scientists concern themselves with disproving someone speculating on polling data which is essentially a grade 10 statistics math class project

Lad please you're embarrassing the trash-land you come from

>>128102089

You are an actual retard with an IQ lower than 70. I use my lefty science powers to predict that you are an aboriginal. Go back to the bush and get high, it's all you're good for.

>>128101894
>Its way better than dumping large amounts of money to the UN that's going to steal 90% of it and used to rest to build solar panels in 3rd world countries.
Yeah, just give them to Wall Street and Trump
s family.
Cool things, that americans workplaces will be the first replaced by machines
Sweet irony, real communism will start from USA

Fuck the planet, it's God's Earth and he shall do with it as he chooses.

>>128100271
> Argues about all scientists
> Not all scientists!
Typical.

>>128102171

The process of leaving the Paris accord takes about three and a half years. Guess what? The next President is just going to re-sign it. Even if it's a Republican. Because it certainly won't be Trump.

>>128099479
Is there some graph that includes nuclear power too?

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>>128097176
70 rural and suburban retards is definitely worth the millions of dead urban retards that will be stranded in coastal cities when an event the likes of hurricane Katrina happens on a global scale. You fucking queers should post pictures of yourselves. You're already vagina blasted about dying soon, so datamining isn't an issue. Let us see your ugly fucking faces so we can all laugh at you when your corpse is floating down the road of your mom's neighborhood.

>>128101832
>Only considers the outlandish statements made by talking heads that have no real scientific credibility
>Doesn't consider the hundreds of examples of scientists who've created models that predicted the increase in temperature, adverse weather conditions, rise in sea levels, etcetc
>still trying to argue about a poll by one "scientist" as a way to dismiss the entire scientific community like it's a valid argument

>>128102186

The election was very important for climate science if we're to believe the hysteria, so yeah. Perhaps that's too subtle a point for your nigger genes.

>>128097176
So what exactly did the Paris climate deal entail? What effects has it had so far? How much did it affect the US? What will change now the US is out of it?

It just seems like everyone is circklejerking each other off about MUH GLOBAL WARMING that they forgot to provide any details or evidence about what this entails, another case of liberal's chicken little syndrome.

>>128097176
>thinking the Paris Accord would combat (((climate change))) instead of throwing money at shit tier countries to squander it on attempts at green energy when they can't even handle plumbing
topkek

>>128102430
>I am so independant that I cannot take responsibility for my action.

>>128100377
>triggered and literally shaking over someone making fun of a typo
I'll bet you slay all the pussy.

>>128102448
>Argues about all climate scientists
>A guy who does math is basically a scientist right guys? please I'm desperate and I don't have any way to argue against someone who has actual facts backing them

Typical.

>>128097176
>coal mine
>70 jobs

Fake news, 70 guys is about the amount of telecommunication crew decently-sized coal mine employs.

IRL it's probably 70+5000 from some other mine that was depleted.

>>128102301
> Go back to the bush and get high, it's all you're good for

Comma splice. You're another uneducated moron who fails basic English but wants to lecture on something more complex.

>>128100060
Im sure thats exactly what would happen and thats exactly why Trump/Exxon Mobil voted out.

>>128099479
>d-d-d-don't use effective power sources!
Have fun with your 79 fold electric bills.

>>128102697

Still writes like a nigger and can't understand the point being made. OMG I'M JUST LEARNING SAM WANG ISN'T A CLIMATE SCIENTIST. Go to bed, you fucking coon.

>>128098148
Climate change policy is an excuse to enact a carbon tax on the populace. You wanna stop global warming? Suck on the end of a car exhaust you faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC1l4geSTP8

>>128099479
Does that count the Chinese workers that assemble the solar panels and mine the rare earth metals required for the batteries needed to store the electricity at night?

>>128102788
>thinks this is what triggered looks like
>can't handle when he's btfo'd about a subject

>>128102702
>Literally just saying shit in the hopes it'll derail the conversation far enough that he can pretend he's making valid points

You'd have to be a daft cunt to think that actual scientists would take speculation as an actual metric to indicate the winner in an election. Science doesn't predict elections or public opinion. It has absolutely nothing to do with the brainless cuck in the article.

>>128101905
>free market
>government making up jobs
seriously? check subsidies on coal vs solar. which jobs are being created by the government, shill?

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Trump destroyed the planet now? Guess I missed that when I passed out when I passed your mother on the street and passed out from the smell of cum methane from her nasty giant slot.

>saving earth for the Afro-Islamic generations of the future.

>>128098148
funny the left embraces science.... but cept when it comes to placating mentally ill people who are confused about their genders

they then trade science for safe spaces and pronouns ayy lmao even though science doesn't give a fuck about your pronoun

>>128100167
but Israel is part of the Paris accords. Syria is their enemy and we sided with them how are you doing with the mental gymnastics now?

>>128100060
Yes I'm sure (((trump))) knew better than the other worlds leaders

>>128103017
The fact European countries have higher electric bills and can't compete with the US was brought up by some guy on CNN. They couldn't counter his argument.

>>128103044
>Samuel "Sam" Sheng-Hung Wang is an American professor, neuroscientist

Good thing one neuroscientist speaks for the entire scientific community on all things including climate change.

>>128103058
>Implying that because the government wants to tax you it means that the science behind climate change is fake

>>128103419
More like causing mass inmigration due to climate change

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>>128102029

>>128103591
Israel is one of the nations that receive funding you dingus. Go fucking read it.

>>128103145
wew lad almost 20 posts and there are only 100 total!

way to earn your keep at shareblue! Looks like you family will be eating well this month (actually, probably not that well because the Canadian dollar is shit like most everything in that country)

>>128103529
>implying I'm at all aligned with the left
>implying everyone who embracing science is leftist
>implying that gender bender shit has anything to do with real science
>implying the right isn't as guilty of muh safe space as the lib cucks are

>>128103123
It's based on workers in the US. 400,000 in the solar industry providing 30 million KW, with 130K coal workers producing 1.3 billion KW.

>>128102846

Nice argument abbo.

>>128103145
>You'd have to be a daft cunt to think that actual scientists would take speculation as an actual metric to indicate the winner in an election. Science doesn't predict elections or public opinion. It has absolutely nothing to do with the brainless cuck in the article.

Even if the science were perfectly sound, you'd have to be a daft cunt to think that this agreement addressed the problem in any meaningful manner.

What do you think has been lost?

>>128103723
Yeah, "It's too hot" should be a valid reason to flee your country.

>>128103725
Different writers, diversity of opinion, moron, even fox has it

>>128103802
>Anyone who's active in a thread must be a shill
>Anyone who's inactive in a thread must be a shill
Good thing you used your post to argue your point of view and supported your claims with evidence to add to conversation instead of cuckposting

Don't worry, all those other countries will surly pay for those taxes on those peace accords!

>>128103914

Feel free to answer
>>128103959

>>128103618
Seriously I'm electrical engineer and while I'm not doing anything energetic-oriented, all the lecturers that actually deal with this shit as part of their research all call solar energy scam.

Surprisingly enough, Europe is known to spend assload of money to try to make this scam work.

Never believe ecofreaks.

>>128103529

The left doesn't actually embrace science, it embraces words that make them sound better/smarter. Since they have no idea what those words actually mean, they look like idiots tacking them on to their narratives.

>>128103961
Theres a killer drough, flood famine, seems like a valid one to me, and it will actualky displace tens of millions

>>128103959
>Still trying to avoid arguing the original point and move the conversation to a different topic because he knows he's wrong

Nice try roo-in-the-loo.

>>128103885
Yes, and even if it takes more people to generate the same amount of power (which is a non-sense statistic for a growing sector that obviously requires more people before it can be fully automated like coal), that is what the markets want. You can't on one hand argue for free markets and on the other hand argue that it's inefficient and so we should kill it. It's absurd.

>>128104135
Sounds like ms Conway actually

>>128100137
You're right. Let's stop using shovels to dig holes. If everyone uses a spoon instead, we'll create 10 times the jobs.

>>128104157

The title implies Trump did something wrong, so what has been lost? Can you answer it or not?

>>128098148

>Feelings over science
>We on the left hold science in dear regard

Coming from the side that believes in 98217628721 different genders and sexualities, I find that quite laughable.

>>128104135
You know who embraces science? People making money off of it because they create things that the market wants. Things like clean energy that many countries around the world are interested in using. Regardless of how inefficient you may think it is, the market is STILL THERE. So, are you arguing against free markets now?

>>128104266
If that's what the market wants, then why would you want to stop it? If it's not what the market wants, then it'll die off naturally. No need to have government intervention. Unless you're some kind of communist who thinks capitalistic free markets are bad.

>>128104305
The demand is there because keynesian governments subside it.

Outside of ability to live off the grid solar is useless.

>>128099479

We all know the chart shows it takes 79 black people slacking at work to produce as much energy as 1-2 white workers

>>128104270
Hes gonna cause mass migration in about 10 years

>>128104282

*sexes not sexualities*

>>128104445
Governments elected by the people. For all the "trump won get over it" folks, there sure are a large number of complaints about what elected governments choose to spend the people's money on!

>>128104282

They don't truly believe it, though. That's why they're willing to call out some dude as a fucking white male without asking him how he identifies.

>>128104050
what is cuckpsotin even? do you just add cuck to the prefix of a word?
also, congrat! look at this! almost 1/5 of the posts in this are yours! what a night 4 u, pal!

also be an hero and use more greentext faggot

>>128103633
the point is that human activity is insignificant compared to the impact they say we are having.

>inb4 you didn't even watch the video

Even if it is as bad as they say it is, we are already past the point of no return. It's a money grab and either you are a troll trying to stir up discussion, some faggot shill, or a retard. Science is not infallible. According to Gore, who was going off of what climate change scientists told him, we should be underwater by now...but we aren't.

You wanna talk about saving the environment? Get your buttfucking retarded government to stop producing shitty, dirty, inefficient tar sands and pushing them on everybody as something great that will make you energy independent. They're shit and so are you, leaf. Canada a shit.

>>128104282
>Implying I'm aligned with the left
>Implying I agree with the 9821768721 genders meme
>>128104270
We're not talking about the title of the post cuck. We're talking about you inability to argue against the empiric evidence that supports climate change. You claimed in your first shit post that it's left feelz science yet your only argument has been about a neuroscientist who did the equivalent of shitpost in the media about the election. Context is important cuck

>>128097176
>rural and suburban retards

Enjoy losing for the rest of time, we have 50 states, not just new york and california.

>>128097176
Look up global greening
>research global greening
Look up global greening
>research global greening

>>128104550
Yes anon but my point is that the demand for it is artificial.

>>128104434
>Implying that markets will ever want inefficiency

Sure, if retards want to supply green energy for virtue signaling consumers, go for it. But the point is that they won't compete with coal energy outside of large government subsidies, which is what is happening today.

>>128104660
Yea it just so happens that the increasing temperatures coincidentally coincides with the industrial revolution and that this warming period is more extreme and has occurred more rapidly than any of the earths warmth cycles apart from the warmth periods created by catastrophic events really moistens my cashews

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>>128097176
the agreement wasn't even binding, we could have just not followed whatever parts we chose without any consequence.

retreating from our agreement was purely a political stunt and didn't benefit anyone in any way

how much embarrassment does our country need to endure while we wait for this petulant brainlet to get removed from office?

>>128104739

I see you're still struggling with the point. I demand a 23andMe result so I can see what kind of nigger I'm dealing with here.

>>128098148
I'm sure they said the same thing when Gore lost and it was 2000 then.

>>128105016
Governments were elected by the people to invest tax dollars into these things. These are things that the people WANT even if it is more expensive, because their goal is not just money but quality of life. No amount of money can make the ice caps return.

>>128097176
See this shit?
>rural and suburban retards
You dumb brain dead commie safe space loving cuck this is why you lost the election this shit.

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>>128105294
>why you lost the election this shit.
ok, what's your point exactly? do you like shitposting the same phrase and act like you know everything now?

>>128104586

Its stupid as hell. Its why identity politics is such bullshit.

>>128104739

I'm actually inclined to agree with you on the climate change issue to some extent. There can be legitimate criticism of the Paris Agreement without being a 'Climate Denialist'. Many other countries get away with a LOT more bullshit than we do in terms of regulatory compliance, and, at the same time, very little net impact to the current temperature tends (+.2 degrees in 83)

>>128104434
>No need to have government intervention, it'll die off naturally. What are you, a commie?

>>128105217
Governments were elected by the people to invest tax dollars into these things.

So which argument are you going with?

>>128105022
Okay so what's the solution? I'm waiting. You gonna stop China and India and their carbon emissions? Fact of the matter is that in order to control carbon emissions you need to control populations and their growth...which inevitably leads to eugenics if you're choosing who lives/ reproduces and who does not. It's already over, done.

>>128105434
despite how bullshit identity politics are, /pol/ does it all the time with flags.
>inb4 flags are not identities

>>128105490
Which one are you going to disagree with? :^)

>>128105294
That's exactly, precisely correct. But they can't dial it back. How else could they virtue signal?. Their entire hierarchy would collapse. Trump gets 8 years. Works for me.

>>128105126
Your point is irrelevant to the conversation because it essentially implies that all scientists are made equal and the entire scientific community is at fault because one guy "predicted" an election somehow justifies the idea that climate science is inaccurate, false, or fake. It's so irrelevant to the actual argument that there's no real reason to talk about it.

>>128105434
>I'm actually inclined to agree with you on the climate change issue to some extent.

Partial agreement isn't as fun as complete denial, m8. It's complete denial that triggers the leftists. I've even thought about throwing in some Bible verses for extra shits and giggles.

>>128098148
Yes, climate changes. But there is absolutely no evidence that humans are having any impact on the climate whatsoever. In order to establish an actual human impact in a statistically significant way, you must show a modern trend that deviates from a baseline of appropriate duration. Because geologic processes spanning millions of years are responsible for tremendous amounts of variation in global temperatures, an appropriate baseline must necessarily include millions of years of data to account for this variation. Not only are we not in a period of “record high temperatures,” we are in one of the coldest periods in the past 65 million years.

http://i.imgur.com/kcQnmYF.png

There is absolutely no evidence that current temperatures are outside the trend of totally natural variation, and all attempts to make it appear that way are misleading you by truncating the data to a sample of statistically insignificant size. And then they apply their misleading, exponential curve-fits and smoothing effects for dramatic purposes. The earth had had ice caps for maybe about half of the time over the past 500 million years. The picture shows rapid periods of melting and re-glaciation over periods of a few thousand years. There is nothing abnormal about current melting rates.

http://i.imgur.com/NfSDp1Y.png

>>128105819
>Jokes on you I was just pretending to be retarded

Case closed.

>>128102608
Just stop anon and leave your computer already. Are you too fucking stupid to realize that tornados are a REAL problem already for the interior US. A problem that's only going to get worse if we keep fucking around like everything's ok.

>>128105856
see >>128105022

>>128105856
The sea level has been rising at a very steady and predictable rate over the past 8-10,000 years since the emergence from the last major glacial period with no deviation at all from this trend even as humans began industrializing. When environmentalists show you graphs going back 50-100 years of rising sea level data, they omit the fact that this is both on-trend and completely expected.

http://i.imgur.com/JzjDP5v.png

We have no actual data that indicates that climate is in any way behaving abnormally, much less due to human impact. The only thing we have is a hypothesis that CO2 affects climate in a meaningful way, which is what climatologists attempt to model. But those models make terrible predictions.

http://i.imgur.com/uVtD4Ch.png

If your hypothesis consistently churns out inaccurate predictions–no matter how many times you tweak the knobs and change little fudge-factors here and there–then your hypothesis isshit and must be discarded. Morons who believe in this garbage have no understanding of basic epistemology, let alone science–and that goes for the so-called “scientists” peddling this mystical bullshit.

CO2 is only hypothesized to have the impact on global climate that the alarmists claim. But this has failed to be demonstrated in two major (but related) ways. First, carbon dioxide levels are currently being measured at several hundred ppm higher than measured from ice core samples. Now, it must also be cautioned that you can’t necessarily compare these two sets of data because they represent two different methods of measurement, and have other potential biases. However, even assuming that its true that CO2 levels are much higher–and that they’re caused by human activity–current temperatures are not deviating from the normal historical trends in line with CO2.

>>128100156
This leaf gets it

>>128105569

To be fair, most of the time /pol/ does it is for bantz. A lot of the shit on /pol/ is intentionally inflammatory and trolling in nature. In a real debate, I wouldn't criticize the identity of the speaker, rather the arguments being presented. Its fun to shit post and circle jerk online, but its not something to be carried out into the real world. I wouldn't use something like:

>Greek Flag
>Lecturing me about debt

as an actual argument in the real world. Its pure teenage banter.

>>128105888

Enjoying a position doesn't mean I'm faking it. Where's my 23andMe result?

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>>128098148

Carbon taxes dont reduce emissions.

>>128105569
I'll just assume you conceded the free market point then. Then sure, some representatives are elected to invest in green energy. And Trump was elected to remove restrictions on coal mining.

>>128100137
GDP is based on output so no it won't do any good

>>128106040
A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2 ºC. Everyone agrees on this point because it’s a simple computation given the physical characteristics of CO2 which is well mixed in the atmosphere. Actual warming, again absent feedbacks, would likely be much less due to bandwidth overlap between CO2 and H2O, something that we understand but find difficult to model (H2O levels vary dramatically day to day and even hour to hour with regional weather).

http://i.imgur.com/3JzLrS4.jpg

The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8 ºC of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor which will lead to a lot of warming until a new equilibrium point is reached. The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average feedback rate. Again, modeling H2O in the atmosphere is extremely difficult because it varies so much with weather. Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 15 years. They are all trending too high. In the late 1990s, the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.

>>128105856
>>128106040
nice mspaint graphs with no citations.

>>128102713

The thing is, the accords did barely anything (1/5 of a percent of a degree cooler in 2100 AD) and mostly served to stifle US industry to benefit other countries, leaving China and India virtually free to pollute as much as they wanted. It was the worst possible deal.

>>128102697
All of which have not happened faggot. No warming. No sea rise. No adverse weather.

>>128097176
So is global warming a fact yet or is it still an eager hypothesis?

>>128106242
There is no data to suggest a positive H2O feedback either now or in Earth’s past. Indeed, we cannot model some periods in Earth’s history with an assumed positive H2O feedback. It would appear that Earth’s atmosphere is remarkably adept at dampening forcings from either direction and does not amplify them. If there is no positive H2O feedback, we literally have nothing to worry about. The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, and surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind, it’s simply “CO2 = bad” and “experts say we’re warming faster then ever.” The more you know.

http://i.imgur.com/AJXwGoj.png

Not only are current temperatures not outside the normal trend, we are in one of the coldest periods in the past 65 million years. Also, current temperatures (at the peak of the current 100ky cycle) are actually lower than past 100ky cycles, meaning that we are expected to either warm further just by way of natural variation or we are in an unusually cold peak period.

Second, climate models that use CO2 as a major driver for global temperatures are not producing accurate predictions for global temperatures. This is at least good initial evidence that the alarmist stance on the CO2/climate hypothesis is false. Notice that current temperatures are in no way deviating from normal trends. and that the two “scary red dots” are not observed data, but “predictions.” But, as we already know, the observed data is wildly lower than the predictions. These people are completely full of shit.

luv u 2 booboo <3

>>128106352
Yeah it was only the hottest month on record for 18 months straight because it's getting colder. You got me.

>>128106147
You're thinking that it was a dichotomy but it isn't. Agreeing that government intervention is useful in some circumstances does not mean it is useful in all circumstances, and vice versa. Based on what you've just said then, you basically agreed with me that spending money on renewable energy is not a waste.

>>128106259
The citations for the very last image are on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eemian

Kaspar, F.; Kühl, Norbert; Cubasch, Ulrich; Litt, Thomas (2005). "A model-data comparison of European temperatures in the Eemian interglacial". Geophysical Research Letters. 32 (11): L11703. Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3211703K. doi:10.1029/2005GL022456.

>>128097176
70 workers is better than 70 bums. Why are liberals so retarded? Dont bother answering. Sage.

>>128104150
Everyone of these doom predictions have been debunked. Remember when hurricanes like Katrina were going to be the new normal because of muh climate change?

>>128097176
Thanks subdermal and urban rural retards. Maybe if you ever passed Uni you might have some common since.

>>128097176
If China (who produces MOST of that waste) won't get on it, why should the USA?

>>128106458

fukken saved my friend

ready to spew this autism out again on demand

>>128106528
Check your facts again faggot

>>128106658
citations for the second and third image are from wikipedo

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phanerozoic_Climate_Change.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#/media/File:Vostok_Petit_data.svg

ur welcome

>>128097176
You still need coal to make steel retard. Other ways exist, but coal is still long

>>128097176

>1 post by this I'D

Do not reply to shill threads. Report shill threads.

Saged

>>128106458
>http://i.imgur.com/AJXwGoj.png
>its cooler now than when the earth was formed

are you a fucking moron or actually retarded?

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>>128106458
Fucking destroyed. Have any of you read State of Fear? It was written by the guy who did Jurassic Park, and it basically has scientists that act like the mob going after this guy and his research (which is actually cited to real papers by real scientists) that disproves that human have any effect on the climate. Not only that, but it also represents Hollywood as a bunch of phonies who spew liberalism just because it makes money. It doesnt name the jew, but HOLY SHIT does it name the chink.

>>128107303
>can't produce facts that will dispute that 2016 is was the hottest year recorded

>>128098148
>IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR GUISE AMIRITE?!?!?! XDDDDDDDD

Kill yourself.

>>128107634
It is cooler now than when Vishnu plopped it out of his bun ovens for sure. It is also cooler than the Eemian.

Source: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:All_palaeotemps.svg

>>128107634
You sure you arent the retarded one? Do you actually think the earth is only 500 million years old?

>>128103058
Top notch video. Perfect for a basic gestalt. Lord Moncton and Stefan talk too much

>>128099479
Golly gee willykers, ain't that just efficient, aka cheap!

>>128097176
>70 jobs are going to destroy the planet
look at this faggot and lugh

even if global warming does exist it will actually make more land habitable and able to grow food. it is actually good.

>>128100137
If electricity is cheaper it will allow small business elsewhere to lower their cost and be able to afford more workers. Also take your broken window fallacies and redundancies elsewhere. Literally communism level. Make work is not work, it's stupid.

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>>128098148
>when other leaf's call you out
>"BUT GUISE, MUH DOCTORED SCIENCE, I MEAN CONSERVAKEKS BTFO RIGHT?"
holy fucking shit can we physically detach canada from our border please?

>>128103309
>Joe is a farmer
>he employs 10 people
>government subsidizes Joe so he can hire more workers
>Joe now has 20 workers in his farm
Explain to me how this isn't fucking with the free market with other people's involuntary money and how it isn't government created jobs.

>>128098148
we'll trade you climate change for having two genders again

>/pol/'s idol, Hitler, protected the environment
>now /pol/ is shitting on Hitler's principals and calling it fake

really fires up my neurons

I have entire side of my family that's coal mined for generations. I don't think people understand how hard it is and how it's the only thing in West Virginia to do.

>>128097176
The reason you are poor is that you don't understand adding 70 jobs is adding jobs.

>>128097176
>america is the planet

fuking retards, so your saying that america is the sol country that drives the plant? dam bro I'm american too and even I know thats full of shit.

>the jews covfefe everything

>>128107896
I haven't. But now I'm going to read it and bask in the knowledge of the papers cited which hopefully aren't half assed studies.

>>128107914
>on record
>recorded by human beings
>modern history

really activates the old almond milk......

>>128097176
Google weather action. Ran by Jeremy Corbyns brother. Then tell me you believe global warming is man made...

>>128108594
you're putting words in my mouth. i'm saying that a real free market has never existed. we shouldn't shy away from government subsidies to encourage better behavior that would be better in the future. coal may still be used for power in the future, but coal jobs are definitely not the future. renewable energy is an extremely fast-growing industry with high demand. the government should be encouraging it, because that's where the jobs are going to be, where the innovation is going to be, and where the demand is going to be. America cannot be left behind just because of a boogeyman called "government subsidies" and "liberals".

>>128109772
Who's asking for 300,000 coal jobs? That's never gonna happen. Renewable is subsidized to shit. The panels and wind maintenance make them almost not worth the bother, they're so delicate a hail will break them. It's just not there yet, not to mention the battery tech being so shit. I'm OK with innovation, but I don't want it forced on me and I don't want to pay more for power when I don't need to

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>>128103959

>liberal dont facts kek
>facts support climate change
>liberal cant grammar kek kek kek

why are these people still allowed to live? what a travesty that a horde of brainless frog worshippers are allowed to steal air from the rest of us

>>128110344
Because the rest of the world is on-board. It seems like a large part of humanity has made a calculation that the cost+benefit of renewables outlive the cost+benefit of coal. They've determined that they want to live in a future powered by renewables. A lot of Americans are so short-sighted that they simplify everything down to money in the short term, but seemingly sacrifice their quality of life in the long term.

>>128111611
I don't give a fuck about the rest of the world. They can go suck a fat dick. You should only care about your people.
What are the benefits of renewable other than muh virtual signaling? Global warming is a scheme propped up by billionaires and scientists looking for grants and donations

>>128104160
Solar is anything but a free market.