> this kills the republican

>chirstcucks

No thank you!

>>128089840

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.

Teach a man to fish and he'll never be hungry again

>>128090239
what bible verse is that from sweetie?

>>128089840
>Christianity is the same as catholicism
Lol kys

Wtf I'm American now.

Hail freedoms! Death to communists!

>>128090445
Proverbs.

>>128090239
your correct which is why republicans have cut education funding!

Jesus didn't help people by stealing money from other people.

>>128089840
christians do help the poor and the homeless tho, they just do it through charity with their own money instead of through government with other people's money

>>128090445
It's from CAFOD

Either way.

Give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

Set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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>>128090610
no its not

theres nothing wrong with teaching people to fish but theres nothing wrong with giving them one either

people use that as an excuse to not be charitable

>>128090780
you wouldnt need to if atheists werent so greedy
what can you do when nobody wants to help anyone

>>128090763
>cut state funding forcing people to actually care about the education the children will receive because they will directly pay for it and be held accountable
>hurr just cutting education funding durr
typical leftist subversion of facts

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>>128089840

0/10.
Sage.

>>128089840
I must have missed the verse about redistributing wealth with the force of the state.

>>128090763

>Letting your kids go to public school where they can be taught that casual sex is acceptable.

>>128090610
oh dear, you seem to be confused sweetie

>>128089840
>Jesus meant for his teachings to apply to running a country and not individual lives
>"When an enemy attacks your country... turn the other cheek!"
>"Your country should give all its belongings to the poor!"
>"Love your neighboring countries as if they were your own country!"
>"Let all the refugees come in!"
>>this kills the republican
you're right cuz im dying laughing at how stupid you are

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>>128089840
"Leftists"/"libruuuls" are straight up Jesus incarnate, naturally, without even realizing it or claiming it.

Meanwhile /pol/ and rightwing and alt-right are straight up villainous, devilish, and satanic, and realize it full stop and extol it.

>>128091006
um sweetie why do you pretend to be a christian when you have obviously never read the bible?
In Matthew 19:21, Jesus tells a young man “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven,” and in Luke 3:10–11, he proclaims to an assembled crowd “Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise.”

>>128089840
You obviously don't understand the messages in the Bible at all. It preaches care towards one another through voluntary means. Forcing someone else to give there money is not Christian. I'm not even religious and I understand this. Fucking watch Jordan Peterson already

>cut food stamps
Good, more tax money back for me

>Cut affordable healthcare
But it's not affordable, I pay 10% of my paycheck in medical coverage and I shouldnt have to foot the bill for others too

>Demonize homeless
>block equal rights
No, that's democrats you retard.

>>128089840
remember the bit where jesus brutally killed all the (((money lenders)))?

remember the part where jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone? and then proceeded to brain some slut with a rock the size of a dogs skull while laughing with his m8s?

>>128091133
I'm pretty sure Jesus' end game is world domination, so I don't if you've really thought this through.

>>128089840
>Liberal Hippie Jesus
love everyone
don't worry about sin baby, I got you
Expect other people to just help you out man
College should be like free for everyone #OneLove

>Actual Jesus
hypocrites go to hell
Pay your taxes and stop complaining about imperialism
fucking greedy jews get out of my temple REEEEEE
If i give you money or something else you better make something of it and if I don't get a return on my investment you will be punished
CUT THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF

>>128091273
Yes, charity is good.
Taking other people's things at gunpoint is bad. Are you having trouble following, honey?

>>128091291
umm, no sweetie


In Luke 3:10–11, Jesus proclaims to an assembled crowd “Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise.”

>>128089840
> rob people and inefficiently waste their money

vs

> let people keep their money but preach values of charity and helping your fellow man

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>>128091133
i practice turn the other cheek in my life but that has nothing to do with your immigration policy

>>128091291
the church is supposed to do it but when everyone is an edgy atheist and wont help anybody what can you do

you need taxes

remember the part where the bible says to kill homosexuals? checkmate libcucks

>>128091473
That passage corroborates what the dude just said.

>>128091023
No such thing is taught in public school.

Such things are advocated here.

>>128090954
There is no leftist subversion of anything. They cut education funding, that is a fact.

>>128091408

>Pay your taxes and stop complaining about imperialism

That's not actually what Jesus meant. Jesus preached that you should pay taxes just so as to avoid violent confrontation. But the slave-driving and Christian-persecuting ways of the Romans weren't acceptable.

Taxation is still wrong, because it's arrogance of man to assume that they should collect those things which in truth, belong to God.

>hypocrites go to hell

This is also true

>love everyone

You actually are supposed to love everyone anon, that is scriptural. But there is a difference between that and letting yourself get taken advantage of.

Remember, Gentle as a dove, but wise as a serpent.

>>128091640
ummm sweetie you realize christians dont follow the old testament right?


there was this little thing called jesus dying on the cross, you might have heard of it
he did it so that all sinners could be forgiven and accepted into heaven

>>128089840
Republican Jesus is way fucking cool.

>>128091867
>ummm sweetie you realize christians dont follow the old testament right?
uhh sorry cupcake, but they do.

>>128091714
Funding for education has skyrocketed over the past decades, with only flatlines and dips in student performance.

We aren't feeding a ravenous, bloated beuracracy that deserves to have its funding cut.

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>>128091714

>No such thing is taught in public school.

Maybe not at yours. But I specifically remember being shown dildos in my health class and having a girl brought in who rambled on for hours to us about how casual sex is healthy as long as you have "safe sex"

>>128089840
christ you retards should actually read the bible once in a while

>>128089840
You can tell the idiot who made this has no idea why republicans believe what they believe. Liberals have actually ingested the slandering media meme that republicans are just retards who hate minorities and gays. Wrong. They're people of all levels of intelligence who hate minorities and gays.

>>128091930
Jews follow the Old Testament.

Christians follow the red text that is present in the New Testament

>>128090825
>they just do it through charity with their own money instead of through government with other people's money
>what is tithe
>what are fundraisers

>>128089840
Not really. It's a content-free argument. Christ advocated charity--which Republicans are plenty in support of.

He also didn't call for the murder of infants and the destruction of monuments, or to rioting in the streets and beating people for holding different beliefs. Actually, who did call for that?

Oh right. Mohammed. Destroying monuments in particular is a big Islam thing.

>>128091930
oh honey, you are so confused


Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

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1 John 3:17
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Matthew 5:42
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

>>128091827
actually jesus does teach getting taken advantage of as the righteous thing to do

sorry you cant handle that

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

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>>128089840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm8AnNiwH58

>>128092146
uhh sorry buttercup, christians follow the ENTIRE bible. try to keep up honeybuns.

Barely anyone on here is republican, idiot

>>128092016
Nice fake story.

>>128092175
why did you bring up mohammed for no reason?

>>128092258
>(((Hebrews)))
discarded

>>128090894
First step is stop replacing god with the gubmt. Stop making people dependent on getting free things.

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>>128089840
That's an abuse and a blasphemy.
Shame on whoever made it.

>>128091499
turning the other cheek is one of the hardest things for me
i just avoid being in that situation in the first place kek

but yeah a lot of Christians mistakenly believe taht we're supposed to apply Biblical teachings to running a modern capitalist country
if that was true every country that did so would fail unless God directly intervened in the world's affairs

>>128089840
>feed the hungry OR GO TO PRISON
>care for the sick OR GO TO PRISON
>Shelter the homeless OR GO TO PRISON
>Love everyone BY GIVING ALL YOUR MONEY OR GO TO PRISON

Stop mixing up voluntary charity with forced state programs that are poorly and wastefully run.

>>128091461
>Jesus literally tells them to do things
>Bible makes it clear that not following Jesus teachings leads to eternal damnation
Greed is literally one of the 7 sins.

>>128092314
Lol

>>128092430
> thinking you can pick and choose what bible verses you have to follow

>>128089840
>if government doesn't provide X you can't have X at all goyim!

>>128089840
When did Jesus ever degree that the government should become a giant charity while also suppressing all other charities and punish people who don't donate with jail time?

Can I get a chapter and a verse?

>>128092570
>implying you cant
kikes have revised the bible so many times that you literally have to pick and choose what to follow

>>128091827
I read the taxation thing as if you're going to use Caesars money then play by Caesar's rules, like its meant to shame them.

>>128092162
Banning Muslims and criminal spics is out of compassion for normal people's lives.

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>>128089840
>Liberal memes
>Interesting
>Effective
>anything other than retarded

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>>128092300
i think pastor anderson is shutting his heart to the least of these believers and the poor and hes wrong on this big time

its not jesus to despise the poor
and not give anything to anybody

that aint biblical

The first thing Jesus would do is drive the moneychangers outta the Temple.

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>>128092655
That's why this is sacrilegious abuse.

>>128092491
I'm glad you agree with me. Being in favor of taxing other people so you can get gibmedats is greed.
Charity needs to be a willful act. Taxing people so heavily that they have nothing to spare actually undermines the act of charity because it makes people less able to give.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that socialism is not charity? Socialism is taking other people's money.

>>128091473
So he did

NOT

Say " ceasar should take from those who have two coats and give to the poor"
???????

>>128091714
That is because you went to a private school, you rich white shill. One of these days you and David Brock will get anally probed by me

>>128091031
kill yourself

sage

>>128092852
>that aint biblical
He quotes the bible

Fuckin a, you don't need the government to do what Jesus wants. Stupid ass

>>128092852
Keep that in mind next time you read a sign that tells you not to feed the animals when you're in the park, assuming you ever go outside.

>>128091250
>virtue signalling is Jesus incarnate
actually that's the direct opposite of what Jesus told us to do
and also Jesus and God are one and the same and God said homosexuality and anything similar are disgusting abominations

Why do liberals take the Bible literally? I thought conservatives were supposed to do that.

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>>128092901
Because they don't understand charity, or caritas, means love and that it's an act of the will.

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>>128089840
Jesus also beat up jews and told us to sell our cloaks and buy a sword.

I think Jesus would be happy if he knew I could now buy a fucking rifle and not just a sword.

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>>128092491
>7 sins
>Biblical
Catholics man...

>>128089840
Jesus literally had to use magic to accomplish these tasks without pissing everyone off though

>>128089840
Using Jesus for pushing your agenda. (((Satan))) is delighted

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>>128092461
>That's an abuse and a blasphemy.
>Shame on whoever made it.

>>128089840
>Leftists think they understand the bible better than people that actually read the bible
>>128091273
>"If you wish to be perfect"
>Implying that God gave us free will so that a gov't could restrict us and force us to be what they consider to be perfect
>implying forcing your will upon others involuntarily isn't a sin

>>128093085
Liberals are the pro America, pro Christianity, pro military camo now. It's like they all think they're living in an 80s action movie since the Russian theory dropped

>>128093085
Not literally, they selectively abuse verses to suit their ends, like televangelists do, but they don't know what anything means and don't really care ... or obviously they wouldn't do it.

>>128093104
If they don't willingly do it, then it isn't love, and they won't go to Heaven.

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>>128092459
>>128092786
>>128092901
ya but in modern times with edgy atheism and not enough people who would actually help the poor

the only reason people are against taxes anyways is because they shut their heart to the poor anyways so you just know its the wrong motivations

>>128093004
its a sin to be lazy thats all the bible says

it doesnt say DONT HELP THE HOMELESS

for me jesus would help people even if they were mentally ill or on drugs or something

>>128093049
nothing wrong with helping people while theyre in transit and eventually going to start supporting themselves

it might not happen and some people just will be dependant and theres nothing wrong with that they just dont have the capacity to take care of themselves

>>128091827

This one's got it.
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" in Romans.

Further expanded upon during Jesus' conversation with Pilate in John.
He makes a clear distinction between earthly matters and the kindgom of God.

>>128090492
Literally tell me the difference you bugerfucker

>>128092668
So because they did, it's ok for you to?

>>128093104
Lol, complete misreading on my part, thought you were saying the opposite of what you said.

>>128093161
It certainly is biblical.

>>128089840
Republicans are the devil.

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>>128089840
>love everyone
retarded, jesus talks often and explicitly about the eternal pain of the damned
>equality rights
lol

>>128093419
>nothing wrong with helping people while theyre in transit and eventually going to start supporting themselves
Which means you don't support the welfare state, and support willing charity?

>>128093478
One of them actually read the bible.

>>128091273
It's a god damn metaphor you faggot op.

>>128093481
>kike revised this thing, i better follow it to the letter
you must be braindead

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>>128093403
And if they're doing something for attention, well, the pat on the back is their reward (see Matthew ch. 6)

>>128092983
super

>>128089840
The Lord helps those who help themselves.

>>128089840
>Jesus would want to force me to give to charity
Really made me think

>He who does not work, neither shall he eat
>Thou shalt not steal

This kills the gibs me dats.

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>>128093595
i support voluntary charity from the church but you have to have a population that believes in it

which we dont

Acts 2:45
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.


this is a voluntary welfare system but with everyone not believing in god anymore theres no other choice if everyone wants to be greedy

>>128093061
>durr virtue signaling
Your made up memes are not an argument.

>>128091867
Sorry honey it still against the rules to be a homo

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
Corinthians 6:9

>>128089840
Only if there religiuos. And also didn't jim crow laws and the KKK were founded by demecrates right?

>>128093419
>ya but in modern times with edgy atheism and not enough people who would actually help the poor

>the only reason people are against taxes anyways

Taxation is wasteful and corrupt. If you want to help people, study carefully who you want to donate to. You even have to be careful with many charities because the people you're trying to help often don't see the money.

I think charity is good, and that you have a responsibility to donate money responsibly so that people who actually need it will be the ones getting it.

And no, forcing people to be "charitable" by taking their money with the force of the state is not an act of good. It is taking, not giving. Charity must be a willful act. There is no good in redistributing other people's wealth at gunpoint.

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>>128089840

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>>128089840

We're a secular nation.

Jesus was a schizophrenic man in the desert, and I'm glad we don't subscribe to that at a federal level.

>>128093786
If your intention is to help these people then get them to believe, forcing them through taxation not only fucks everybody over by taxing the working people and creating a welfare state, but now leaves them all with a lifestyle that will lead them to Hell, like >>128093104 said.

>>128089840
This is not a theocracy.

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ARE YOU ASSUMING MY RELIGION?

>>128090239

Who teaches in this society? Christians are against any education that says their book is wrong.

>>128089840
who cares about jewsus

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>>128089840
am I gonna have to post this AGAIN

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>>128093920
oh and just let them suffer and die when people are left to their own to "give charitably"

i know the opinion of these wicked normies they say shit like LET THEM STARVE LET THEM DIE

thats cant be tolerated thats why you have to force them or they will do just that


>>128094029
i didnt choose for the nation to become wicked and goddless

>>128093933
but we do subscribe and always will, lefty atheists will never be in control.

>>128094272
Thanks anon, been looking for this dang pic for the last 20 min.

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>>128089840
>WWJD
whip kikes

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>>128089840
Right wing Jesus seems pretty based. Not sure about the commie on the left though.

>>128094295
>i didnt choose for the nation to become wicked and goddless
Get to work and fix it. You still don't address my core arguments and it makes me think I'm wasting my time on a troll.

>>128093929
>the man who can magic fish and bread out of thin air
>tells fishermen to give away their fish
>"don't take my shit! Respekt da NAP!"
Republican Jesus.

>>128094295
You heal wickedness and Godlessness by making people better, not by threatening them.

>>128094566
remember the part where jesus killed demons and witches?

Le ebin commie jesus love everyone lmao

"and love your neighbor as yourself"
>I hate myself

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>>128094272
There is nothing to indicate actual physical violence against the money changers in the temple.

John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

the bible says jesus didnt actually ever do anything violent one single time

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

more proof jesus supports pacifism for believers


Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

>>128089840
>feed the hungry, but there're people who don't want to eat which is different.
>christians gives a lot help to sick people
>shelter for the homeless, not everyone want a home
>love everyone
Yes love everyone but doesn't mean you have to accept every behaviour.

>>128094295
>thats cant be tolerated thats why you have to force them or they will do just that

You're arguing that you have to force people to be good by taking their stuff.
That's theft.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

More importantly, it's not actual charity. You're not making them do the right thing, you're just visiting an evil act upon them. In fact, you're actually making people less likely to give because they will have less to give and will be more stingy as a result.

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>>128090239
>Give a man a fish and you ruin a sale.
>Teach a man to fish and you ruin the whole business!

t.Jew Fishmonger

>>128094663
Jesus exorcised demons from men, he did not kill the possessed.

>>128089840
>doesn't know the first thing about Christianity

Charity must be given not forced. Plus when you actually look at who gives the most, it's the those very same Christians you probably look down on you sanctimonious twat. I'm not even religious and I can see that. Enjoy your continued delusions though.

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>>128094456
>>128094566
cuz ur not looking at the actual outcome

i dont give a shit about forcing you to do something i care about helping the poor

godless heathens are gonna be godless but if you can use them to someone make a difference then it matters

>>128089840
Jesus also cursed and threw the kikes out of the Temple

>>128091867
oh sugar lump muffin top sweetie snookum buttercup

>>128094689
Yeah, he made a whip just for fun and flipped tables non violently.

>>128089840
>republican jesus

that's not ronald reagan.

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>>128094754
im saying since theres no church around to help people like in the old days

this is a replacement

certain problems of society have to be addressed one way or another

you dont just "let them die"

you have to take from the normies if you dont have a church

>>128090239
Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day.

Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

>>128094766
he killed witches tho

>>128094862
So you don't care about helping the wicked? You'll subject them to Hell because it's easier to vote things, which as I've already said do more harm than good by creating the welfare state.

>>128094566
This is true, but this is a silly thread cuz Jesus wasn't a politician and was against every faction of the day. I seriously doubt He cares much for the current political offerings much, either. They're all pretty corrupt. So to cherry-pick a verse at the expense of the whole and use it to one's advantage is always abuse.

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who did it better

>>128090894
Found the massive sharblue lefty faggot. Remember sage goes in all fields

>>128095046
>you have to take from the normies if you dont have a church

Or you teach normies not to be assholes.
It's not easy, but the Bible doesn't teach that it's okay to take the easy way out just because doing the right thing is hard.

>>128095128
I don't ever recall that.

>>128093451

That particular section of the Gospel has a LOT of depth and layers to it.


When Jesus asks for a denarius, it is the Pharisees who produce one. The denarius has the image of the Emperor of Rome on it. A literal engraved image, of a being who claimed to be divine. and those scummy fucks brought them right into the Temple.

They tried to trap Jesus, because if he said "Paying taxes to a false god is wrong" then they would have cause for the Romans to kill/imprison him. But if we went the other way, he would be denying the Law.

Hence the saying "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars" - Those who have ears to understand, know that God is the ultimate owner of everything, and his commandments override civil authority. But the spiritually blind assume "Oh, that means pay your taxes, lol" Just as the Pharisees did (since they trusted in Rome, more than God).

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>>128094937
no he did it to get them out of the house of god and stop changing money

they like to pretend like jesus was mean

the bible says god is love not mean

>>128095134
i support programs which give people jobs too

>>128094801
Same principle applies to love as well, forced love is meaningless and oxymoronic.

>>128095264
because (((they))) [redacted] most of the cool shit jesus did

>>128089840
Guess what dipshit?
Not all republicans are christians

OP BTFO

>>128089840
More like what would protestant jesus do.

>>128089840

Man, the left really have done a total about face on Christianity.

>>128095350
God's love is violent, disrespect him and you get meteors blowing up your city. And support job giving programs all you want, and I'll support my favorite job creating program called the low tax rate, and fuck off trying to get gibs by pretending to be a Christian.

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>>128095226
no you wanna be a tax dodger cuz you dont wanna give to the needy

and you cant just have your way because its not the right thing when you let people die and have that attitude

one way or another whether i can convince you to believe in god or not

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>>128095588

Fuck you, I pay taxes.
What do you want my blood?
Go to hell.
Get a job.
Get off welfare.
Nigger

>Christ in favor of LGBT and Feminism

Christianity teaches chaste morals, traditional values, condemns homosexuality as a sin, and affirms there are only two genders. Christianity also promotes the idea that people that can work, but refuse the opportunity should not expect society's support.

These people aren't even Christians, but feel entitled to manipulate Christians into behaving a certain way and supporting their lefty politics. They shouldn't be taken seriously at-all.

sage

>>128095588
>no you wanna be a tax dodger cuz you dont wanna give to the needy

full retard
good luck with the thread

Food stamps is literally taking the money I earned and giving it to lazy bums that don't work

Affordable healthcare is forcing doctors to treat patients without choice

Homeless people are fucked up druggies that couldn't fix their lives with millions of dollars

Loving everyone doesn't mean you hand over your money at gunpoint to a government that pays congress millions of dollars to sit and get fat while minorities and immigrants receive all of the benefits of society without working for it

>>128089840
you havent read the Bible uh ?

>>128095859
we should still love our enemy and welcome them with open arms

What about the part in the bible where it says not to be a nigger on welfare?
I am pretty sure there is some stuff in there about that.

>>128095588
You support imposing your will upon others, you keep bringing up how Jesus was all about loving your enemies. That includes allowing your enemies to live in peace, if someone isn't charitable you cannot force them to be charitable. It is your duty to try to convince them, but holding a gun to their back is denying someone the one thing that God specifically gave humans above all other creatures, free will.

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>>128095898
food stamps 1% of the federal budget feeding 50 million people extremely effective

>Homeless people are fucked up druggies

that means they dont deserve help

they need to be given chances to get off drugs and get their shit in line even if it takes 500 times

or 1000 times

>Loving everyone doesn't mean you hand over your money at gunpoint to a government

importing millions of immigrants and flooding the system is wrong and destructive but theres nothing wrong with a safety net for your own people

>>128093515
please show me the verse that lists all the seven sins...
it's literally made up catholic bullshit
it isn't UNBiblical but it certainly isn't biblical

>>128096016
I gotta love degenerate faggots, that's why I try to get them to stop being faggots instead of just killing them.

>>128089840
That kills christcucks actually.

>>128093874
>i don't understand what a phrase means so im gonna call it a meme!!!!
libtards i swear

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>>128096277
you live under a government with laws ur always deprived of free will

someone might not want a police force they still have to pay for it with taxes

you cant have anarchy derp head

why do i have the right to force you to pay for police stations but not to help the poor

HURR I WANT ANARCHY

kys this world isnt a perfect utopia you have to pay a chunk of ur income to help FACT taxes existed even in jesus time and theyre not going anywhere

>>128096352
There isn't a list. Buddy, the "7 deadly sins" were a thing before the bible was even composed and finalized. It's a compilation of sins that the bible had lessons on. There are 7 of them that run themes throughout the bible. Catholics did the work for you already by pointing out the main sins throughout the bible.

>>128096334
You keep talking as if a welfare state is a good thing, go fuck off.

>>128094482
Note that he told them to
He didn't run for office and strong arm them into doing it even if they couldn't afford it because their skin color was different then the people they were supporting.

>>128096616
They don't even know the Bible is a Catholic work so I wouldn't dive in too deep.
In case someone was interested where the capital sins list came from .. http://catholicexchange.com/seven-capital-sins

>>128096334
I'm not opposed to welfare, but more should be done to prevent abuse of the system. Also, some people just can't be rehabilitated. You're naive if you keep giving drug addicts more chances to sort themselves out. They'll betray their own family to feed their habit - fraud under your name, theft, drug dealers knocking on your door, etc.

>>128096592
It might have something to do with the fact that welfare states correlate with destruction of empires and police forces don't.

>>128095139
>Using the lords name to try and influence government policy instead of living his example yourself.

abolish charities, the individual should do good deeds for the other, not a faceless organization feeding bands of homeless and enabling their lifestyle further while (((Certain Parites))) make a fucking mint skimming off the top.

>>128091250
Jesus literally told people NOT to broadcast being generous, but to do things for others out of love.
"LOOK AT HOW NICE I AM BEING BY SAYING NOT ALL MUSLIMS I DONT SEE COLOR MEN NEED TO STOP RAPING BLAH BLAH PATRIARCHY BLAH!!!"
Liberals allow the government to take by force from competent people to give to people who made shitty decisions, lowering the ability of those with resources to give straight to the poor directly what they need without the middle man taking a cut.
Right-wingers are just as prone to greed and sin. But a higher percent of them give more to charity and end up as people who will annoyingly invite you to bible study rather than annoyingly yell at you for trying to keep violent people out of your country. We're the ones trying to give our children the tools for an upstanding life in all regards.

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>>128089840
I'm a republican, and I don't even give a shit about the Bible, led alone what Jesus says, hell, I want to accomplish exactly what he said, but you politically correct social justice asswipes want to enforce your agenda and stigmatize the entire white race, go fuck yourself with a radiator OP.

>>128096592
Oh suddenly you don't seem so loving anymore. Now you have to resort to strawmans and insults.
>If you live under a government with laws ur always deprived of free will
Depends on the laws, currently yeah I am deprived of some free will. However, if I wish to deprive others of their free will; then I should not be allowed to do this. Free will and natural rights have to be reciprocated, thus there is a necessity for an apparatus to ensure they are reciprocated. Paying for a police force that protects people =/= creating a massive welfare state and it never has.
>why do i have the right to force you to pay for police stations but not to help the poor
Because one benefits all people equally and enhances free will by protecting my right to do as I please with the rest of my property, the other does not enhance free will and is instead materialistic, involuntary redistribution under the guise of Christian virtue

>>128096334
The conically homeless are not mentally well and need to be committed for treatment. This would basically imprison them, which would get snowflakes up in fucking arms.

The conically homeless are thus because even if every other member of their family begs and pleads, they can sign themselves out and go right back to ruffling through the garbage.

You can't have it both ways. Do you want that homeless man free to be homeless or do you want to take away his freedom to force him into treatment?

>>128096846
not sure about that last one...

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>>128096984
>the Bible was wrriten by Cuckolics
weeeeeew lad!!!!

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>>128097305
you want something that benefits you because you dont want to help anybody else

and that attitude is just as destructive as not having a welfare state or anything to help anybody ever

you would have poor people being thrown out of hospitals

and its still immoral to force someone to pay for your police force at gunpoint though you never refuted that

>>128096984
Yup. No one knows the bible is a Catholic thing lol. All those councils n shiet decided which books were inspired and to be in the holy bible. King James Bible was just one of the first English translations. Used by Anglican England.

>>128097677
Oh, who composed it then?

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>>128097413
no im completely against mental hospitals i think theyre fucked up prisons

i think homeless should be given an income so if they want to they can get back on their feet

theres a chance they just squander the money immediately but atleast its there for them when they change their mind

>>128090894
you reek of lefty shill stench. fuck off and don't come back thanks

>>128089840
>does OP participate in his thread?
>>128090445
Oh no...

ANY REPLY BELOW MINE IS WILLFULLY BUMPING SLIDE THREADS

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>>128089840

>>128097677
Translated and compiled into canon, Yes. Decided by Council. First Jerome's Vulgate, then translated into every language. Heck, a lot of written language came about due to missionaries wanting people to be able to read in their own vernacular.

>>128097878
How old are you?

>>128092375
I don't what rock have you been living under, but outside of your bubble SexEd is a thing.

>>128097206

That's the Ash Wednesday reading every year from the Book of Matthew.

>>128097742
>you want something that benefits you because you dont want to help anybody else
I give most of my income to charities friendo, if I was truly like this why would I bother. I only say this because you have evidently resorted to attacks on character.
>and that attitude is just as destructive as not having a welfare state or anything to help anybody ever
Good thing I don't encourage that attitude
>you would have poor people being thrown out of hospitals
I would donate money to Christian hospitals and charities which work for free, I encourage Christian values
>and its still immoral to force someone to pay for your police force at gunpoint though you never refuted that
I explained that free will and natural rights must be reciprocated, denying these things means you are no longer subject to them. Of course I support being merciful; however, mercy does not mean allowing someone to constantly strip others of their rights and taking advantage of mercy. Because there are some which would take away others free will entirely, there is a necessity for the establishment of very limited laws and a police force to enforce them which would ultimately enhance freedom. I explained this in an earlier post.

Obviously you do not believe in Christian doctrine, and instead you want to twist it around to enforce your own views. That is sacrilege

>>128097978
Speaking of which, check out that list...
http://www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htm

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>>128098449
just because you support christian charity means everyone will

atheists are proven fact to be way less charitable

and modern christians today dont even believe in helping as much as it used to be because all these stigmas against the poor

so im saying it would never work so thats why you still need to have taxes

theres no church infrastructure anymore to literally help the poor with all their problems

due to the fact that it doesnt exist and people have chosen to be goddless . im not going to knock on doors and try to change people when people need help today

you dont have 300 years to change this back to a christian nation again

>>128089840

>saiga

Fuck off

ah yes. I remember the part where Jesus said that government should take the income of others to fund cradle-to-coffin welfare. Why give to the poor if the Romans can just do it for us?

>>128092481
>feed the hungry OR GO TO HELL
>care for the sick OR GO TO HELL
>Shelter the homeless OR GO TO HELL
>Love everyone BY GIVING ALL YOUR MONEY OR GO TO HELL
FTFY

>>128097850
the council of Nicae is not considered Catholic, sorry
and the dead sea scrolls were composed long before the Catholic Church was even started

>>128089840
>For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."
>2 Thessalonians 3:10

Christ was referring to those who are unable to provide for themselves and innocent victims.

>>128098793
That was cool

>>128089840
>Implying compassionate giving is the same as government compulsion

>>128099284
Nicea was Catholic, very much so.

>>128090445
>sweetie posting
Gonna have to sage now, but republican jesus sounds fuckin' based

>>128089840
GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES

>>128099311
>I decided in my own interpretation of this passage because it fits my narrative that way I can feel better about going against what I stupidly think is the word of god

>>128099444
>liberals
>having intellect

>>128089840
Why does /pol/ get constantly bombarded by shills calling us republicans or conservatives. We're a nationalist socialist/libertarian board, we voted for Trump not the republican party.

>>128099284
>be Ignatius of Antioch
>personal friend of St. John the Apostle
>ordained a Bishop by St. Peter
>Bishop over flock in Smyrna
>Writes them in 110AD
>http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-longer.html
>"Wheresoever the Bishop is, let the people be, even as Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic church"
>admonishes his flock to stay away from the heretics, Gnostics, who refuse to participate in Holy Communion
>Because Gnostics do not believe Holy Communion is the actual Body and Blood of Christ
>110AD

>>128099581
>Belong to the Church that set the Scriptures into canon in 382 at the Council of Rome, reaffirmed in 393 at the Synod of Hippo, reaffirmed again in 419 at Council of Carthage
>Said Church interprets the Scripture because it belongs to it
>Church is Body of Christ
>Scripture is Word of God
>The Word belongs to the Body like your words belong to your body

>1 Timothy 3:15
>the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth

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>>128091031
You
Are

GAY

>>128098869
>just because you support christian charity means everyone will
I don't think every single person in the world will, that is their right given to them by God. But I will encourage them to do the right thing. Now I want you to think for a second, obviously there are quite a few people that are already charitable given that there are a quite a few people that support welfare (unless of course you believe most of them support it because they are greedy), and ultimately the reduction in the size of a state would lead to substantially more income freed up for their own acts of charity. So then I believe they would be giving there own money to charities, and I believe that it is the job of the church to encourage this.
>atheists are proven fact to be way less charitable
I would like to see a study, also a majority of the population in the US is protestant.
>and modern christians today dont even believe in helping as much as it used to be because all these stigmas against the poor
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/content.view/cpid/42
Nope 375 billion given to charities
>so im saying it would never work so thats why you still need to have taxes
Conjecture, it has been shown that the welfare state squeezes private charity out of the market so to speak. As the amount of public welfare decreases, there is likely to be some reciprocal increases in private charity. Not enough to fully cover the costs; however, by reducing regulation it is likely that the private sector will also grow increasing economic prosperity and employment reducing the welfare burden as well.
>theres no church infrastructure anymore to literally help the poor with all their problems
Again I doubt you are a Christian if you are I encourage you to seek out some Christian charities or even volunteer. If you are too lazy to do that, I genuinely don't believe your argument is based in Christian values.
cont.

>>128090173
fpbp

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>>128099676
Jesus' Disciples weren't Catholic either
FYI if Jesus was alive today He would condemn the Catholic church (He would probably condemn most Protestant denominations too) but He certainly would condemn Catholocism most of all for it's idiotic traditions and anti-Biblical teachings

>>128090445
The bible isn't Christian so who cares.

>>128099828
>You will die and nothing will happen and all the time you spent reading a book written by some sand people will be for nothing
kek

>>128099941
Riiight.
Can you show me in the Bible where it says that everything that must be believed must be contained in the Bible?
Thanks.

>>128099941
Him: Evidence
You: Anime posting

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>>128099444
1: retards think /pol/ is /the_donald and that we care how trump likes his steak or what he wore or ate today, so many liberals are just here to drumph-post
2: this thread specifically is a /pol/ user trying to bait other /pol/ users because he has an unhealthy attention seeking issue. sage threads like this.

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>>128089840
>love everyone
God talks about hating people aroind 19 times

also if you wont eork you dont eat(cant remember the verse)

also
2 Corinthians 9:7

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>>128099923
>im not a christian

LEL.

ok how can you deny the fact that people getting all their taxes back would DECREASE the benefits to the poor. its a fact.

its not magically going to make people take care of everyone just because they have their money back, they want it for themselves.

if someone is dying in a hospital and a poor person needs it , theres not always going to be someone their to bale out their bill

thats why u need a massive pool of people from taxes

u care more about your own free will of not paying any taxes than actually having an effective way to help poor people

>>128100036
>what's wrong with ignoring the Bible?
Catholics these days...
wait no you were always like this

>>128100208
See >>128099311
This does not mean, however, that we are not to be charitable.

One thing modern Christians confuse is that contemporary conservatism is fundamentally Christian. It isn't. It's classical liberalism.

>>128098869
cont.
>due to the fact that it doesnt exist and people have chosen to be goddless . im not going to knock on doors and try to change people when people need help today
That is literally what the Bible tells you to do, now I know you either haven't read it or did genuinely consider its meaning and implications. It is true more people are apathetic today, however I provided a source showing charity is on the rise, it is your duty as a Christian to encourage this.
>you dont have 300 years to change this back to a christian nation again
We already are a Christian nation, even if you accept that a fair portion of Christians are apathetic. We don't need 300 years as well. It took 300 years for the Roman Empire to become Christian with technology that can't even seriously be compared to modern technology. On top of that we are still majority protestant, even if only half of the protestants were actually religious, there is still plenty of religious people

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>>128094103
>teaching people to fish is against the Bible

honestly end your life

>>128100077
>the Catholic version of what happened is evidence
>Jesus and all His disciples were Catholic
>because we say so
you see the problem in your argument yet?

>>128090173
fpbp

>>128100307
There is no ignoring going on here. The Bible doesn't claim to be the sole source of the Word of God.
In fact, the Church came first. St. Paul explicitly exhorts his readers to hold fast to the written and spoken tradition.
Who holds this spoken tradition? The Church.

Jesus wasn't from a place that didn't have a fuck ton of lazy as fuck immigrants brought in from a different culture by the millions by a cucked government

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>>128100335
cont

umm no

there isnt a system in place where the church could provide all the services that the government provides for the poor in 2017 it doesnt exist in that large of a scale

not even close

>>128100448
Catholic Church=/= the Church
sorry friendo

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>>128099828
>t. Cuckolick

>>128100577
So you're saying the Church is an invisible amalgamation of "true believers" who don't necessarily believe the same as one another?

>>128100428
But they WERE Catholic. St. Peter was the first pope, where do you think all our traditions came from?

>Jesus said take this bread and eat, this is my body which is given up for you, do this in memory of me

And the disciples did that in memory of him. And passed down which is why we do it in mass

>>128100428
You telling me St. Peter wasn't Catholic?

>>128099103
>hasn't read the bible

>>128100706
all true Christians will be guided by the Holy Spirit to discern what's true and what's false
there is no man-made authority

the only authority you can look to is the Bible
and if something like the Catholic Church contradicts the Bible than you have to assume it's false

>>128100577
Our Lord sends us to the Church in our differences and variances (Mt. 18:16,17), St. Paul teaches how we ought to behave in it (1 Tim 3:15), he called together the ancients of the Church (Acts 20:17), he shows them that they are placed by the Holy Ghost (Acts 20:28); he is sent by the Church with St. Barnabas (Acts 13:1-3), he is received by the Church (Acts 15:4), he confirmed the Churches (ibid, 41), he ordained them priests in every church (Acts 14:22), he assembled the Church (Acts 14:26), he saluted the Church as Caesarea (Acts 18:22), he persecuted the Church (Gal 1:13).

How can this be understood of an invisible Church?

>>128089840

Im going to blow your tiny liberal minds... ready?

>All those can be applied thjrough charity. However when it comes to the money and the absurdly high price of taxes on the people, you wind up getting nothing, and making everyone poor, because you see -

> The government is not the church, nor are they jesus.

WOW it's almost like common sense or something.

>>128100272
>ok how can you deny the fact that people getting all their taxes back would DECREASE the benefits to the poor. its a fact.
I ran through this already
>its not magically going to make people take care of everyone just because they have their money back, they want it for themselves.
Ran through this too
>if someone is dying in a hospital and a poor person needs it , theres not always going to be someone their to bale out their bill
This too
>thats why u need a massive pool of people from taxes
You don't. You deny that charity has been on the rise. You also fail to recognize that according to progressives, people that support a welfare state, private charity is larger than public welfare.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/01/12/no-we-dont-spend-1-trillion-on-welfare-each-year/?utm_term=.b73c606ab051
Let's do some math, 212 billion according to the Washington Post, a publication that normally agrees with you. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/content.view/cpid/42
373 billion in private charity. WOW IT IS ALMOST AS THOUGH PRIVATE CHARITY OUTPACES WELFARE.
>u care more about your own free will of not paying any taxes than actually having an effective way to help poor people
I care more about people's right to free will than an inefficient welfare state. Private charity is an entirely effective means of welfare.

>>128100901
Please remember to archive.

>https://washingtonpost com/news/wonk/wp/2014/01/12/no-we-dont-spend-1-trillion-on-welfare-each-year/?utm_term=.b73c606ab051
--> https://archive.is/r5o25

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>>128100036
2 timothy 3:16

>>128100847
We have over 33,000 sects which have all claimed to be "led by the Holy Ghost" in their "true interpretation" of doctrine, all contradicting one another.

Either the Holy Ghost is schizophrenic or the new doctrine of private interpretation invented by protestantism is incorrect and illogical.

Besides, it doesn't even hold up to common sense when held to Scripture.

>>128100847
... But the Catholic Church made the bible... How can the bible be your only source when the Catholics decided what went in it? Nothing Catholics do CONTRADICT the bible at all

>>128100924
>>128100948
>All SCRIPTURE
Not ONLY Scripture. You're reading something into it that it doesn't say.

And there is only one mediator.

>>128100900
Haha

>>128100499
>there isnt a system in place where the church could provide all the services that the government provides for the poor in 2017 it doesnt exist in that large of a scale
I addressed this here >>128100901 Here are some highlights. Private charity outpaces welfare spending by over 100 billion. Unless you start agreeing with the Cato institute, you should recognize private charity is even more common than welfare

>>128100986
so why is yours right? and you're including little slight differences as different sects. And slmost all of them believe in sola fide. It's not a coincidence that people that believe in sola scriptua also believe in sola fide.

>>128101101
I wouldn't expect a Protestant to be able to read above a first grade level.

>>128101101
And scripture says to put scripture above the wird of man

>>128092016
nobody's making you use a dildo and safe sex is a good idea unless you like STDs, they suck so much the extra caution is worth it. casual sex is fine too but nobody is making you choose that lifestyle either. Are you a beta?

>>128100856
Bible >>>>> any Church and "the Church" was in fact meant to be a spiritual rather than physical or political organization

>>128100948
Your citing a Catholic letter lol. Timothy was explaining to Gentiles what the tradition is and what scripture is.

>>128089840

>strawman.jpg

I bet Jesus would stop the abuse that Liberals do to citizens.

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>>128100901
>>128101152

dude the social security budget alone to help disabled and elderly is like a trillion dollars

you mean to tell me that any old person can show up to a church today and start receiving 700$ a month?

no that doesnt exist

most of this charity is probably just small donations to some foreign countries

>>128089840
>Cut food stamps

Doesn't the bible say "He who does not work shall not eat" ??

>>128100948
>>128101101
>2 timothy 3:16
https://www.catholic.com/tract/whats-your-authority

Have fun.
You guys love to take the bible out of context and show you have no clue what you're talking about.

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>>128101198
>says the person who probably uses the NIV or similar version instead of the KJV

>>128101269
and?

>>128100924
>>128100948
Besides, if you want to take it in context, at the time of St. Paul writing this only the Old Testament was put into canon. He was specifically referring to the Old Testament at this point.

We know now, thanks to the Catholic Church, that the New Testament is inspired of God. The Church put it into canon.

>>128101170
Why is "mine" right? Buddy, this is common sense. Protestantism is a sixteenth century rebellion.

Father Luther protested corruption and started his own religion.
He added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 to support his new doctrine of sola fide.
He removed the Book of James because it rebuked his new doctrine of sola fide.
He removed Acts of the Apostles and Revelations, only to re-add them when his colleagues protested.
He told Philip of Hesse that it was not against the law of God to take a second wife (while retaining the first) because--the Jews did it. The great reformer himself, promoting polygamy.

>Father Luther:
>"If your papist wishes to make a great fuss about the word sola (alone), say this to him: "Dr. Martin Luther will have it so, and he says that a papist and a donkey are the same thing."

>>128090445
"For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat."

2 Thessalonians 3:10

>>128099311
so Christians are supposed to emulate Jesus in their actions except when they can find some random passage in the bible that let's them off the hook. Typical selfish republican bullshit. I don't remember Jesus telling a homeless guy to pull himself up by his bootstraps, stop trying to rationalize that conservative cruelty is the way Jesus would want us to act.

>>128101403
Why would I use an English translation?

>>128101373
>diesn't realize Cuckolicks do that all the time to try to disprove sola fide

Jesus would want people to do this themselves rather than to force everyone else to pay to fund these things and then sit back smelling your own farts and feeling so smug you "helped" the needy by doing nothing but taking from everyone else. Faggot.

>>128101238
Get out, profligate.

>>128101364
Old people's children should take care of them.

>>128101536
That verse doesn't prove the bible is the only source. That was a LETTER by a practicing traditional Christian (Catholic) to a certain city. It was then picked up by the Catholic Church and decided as inspired by God. The letter pre dates the bible. Timothy right now would rebuke you for using his letter to justify sola scriptura (Latin words btw)

>>128093555
555

>>128101544
>James
please read Romans 4 for me please especcially verse 2

>>128101627
The only verse you have going for is the Timothy one, and not only your translation is misleading but you're interpreting wrong. You guys completely ignore that you must interpret things according to the intent of the author and not according to your preconceptions.

>>128101261
It is spiritual, of course. It is also easily recognizable.

Consider Matthew 18:15-17

>But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.

[16] And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. [17] And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Can a Methodist take an erring Pentecostal to his "church" and have the Methodist accept the verdict? Can a Pentecostal take an erring Baptist to his Pentecostal church? What about an Anglican to a Pentecostal church?

There is no authority among protestants, even within their own sect. The basic foundations of the church being the pillar and foundation of truth fails in light of the protestant ideal of the invisible church.

>>128091408
This kills the strawman.

>>128101792
When did I say the Buble is the only source?

>>128101604
I didn't say that, kiddo. Relax.
See >>128100329

>>128101364
Social security is paid into, it is not charity as it is your own money being given back to you. I don't support social security and would prefer that the system be private, but saying it is welfare is disingenuous. Medicaid spending is similar to Social Security. Though some tax revenue is dumped into it, calling the entire budget welfare isn't reasonable. That is why I gave myself an over 150 billion dollar gap, just in case you decided to pull this card.
>you mean to tell me that any old person can show up to a church today and start receiving 700$ a month?
Actually yes they can, at least in my city. You can go to the local Jesuit mission and they will literal feed you three meals a day and let you sleep in the beds at night. And if you did some research, I am sure you would find this is true in your area as well.

>>128101979
The other guy did.

Besides, ur arguing for sola scriptura which means "The bible is the only authority"

>>128101842
I can't remember the verse but it said to put scripture over the wird if man.

>>128101833
Absolutely.
Yet, if we take this one verse and set it up as the sole answer to the question, then James 2:14, 2:18, and James 2:24 contradict Holy Scripture.

We know God doesn't contradict Himself. Obviously, there is more to the question than this.

We know that God condemns men for not DOING something, that is, visiting the sick, clothing the naked, etc. Not in and of itself, but through faith, united with Christ.
Even "confessing with your mouth" is a work--it is something that is done.

>>128089840
I sense people ignore one fundamental difference between the past and today when it comes to helping the poor. Back then, life was much more unpredictable and tough. People were lucky to barely live above subsistence levels. This means, it was very, very easy to fall into starvation if something bad happened to you. The equivalent to this today would be some person getting sick and suddenly losing everything merely to pay medical bills - something that happens often in the US. Besides that, it's stupidly difficult to go hungry in developed countries today.

>>128102175
No sola scriptia is the bible is infalliable

>>128090239
So you support infrastructure spending to help create jobs?

>>128102200
No no no. It said to not get caught up in ungodly tradition, to not lose the spirituality or commands of God because they are traditions of men.

>>128102200
>"But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men."
>Acts Of Apostles 5:29

This is not saying that God has not put authority over us here on earth.
Mathew 18:18 gave the Apostles the authority to bind and loose; whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven, whatever is loosed on earth is loosed in heaven.

We're also told to obey the princes, etc in Romans 13. You can't pick and choose.

>>128101364
Also I suggest you do some research that opposes your views when it comes to Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. It leads to less savings, you seem to imply that without this system, retirees would completely fail to save any money when in fact they would.

>>128102387
Sola scriptura means bible is only authority. But anyway, I don't disagree that the bible is infallible, I think it's infallible

>>128102260
It's that Abraham was justified to man for works not to God.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C3QCpp2J5M0

>>128101994
Do people not realize this? I REEEEd pretty hard yesterday when the local news was going on and on about free breakfast in school. First, I doubt that many kids are going hungry. Second, people are usually insanely irresponsible with their finances and illiterate and lazy about food. Third, all you have to do is drive/set up carpool to a church before school starts, even if it's very early in the morning, get free food, then bring the kids to school where there is likely and "early kids" program if you have to get to work. In a walking city, you can walk. I used to help out at church dinners for needy and homeless. The same church fed people every night. They were constantly donating clothes, toiletries, books, school supplies, and toys.

>>128102472
That wasn't the one I was talking about

>>128102647
Oh and they set up "free" summer school for hungry kids that don't actually need summer school so that they can eat breakfast and lunch there. What a fucking waste.

>>128089840
Feed the Hungry does not mean take other people's money and give it to lazy fuckups

>>128102609
No it's the Bible is the greatest authority. We should still listen to oral tradition bit we don't put that over it.

>>128102613
So, the Church had it wrong for 1,900+ years until the Baptists came along.
I guess that whole thing about the Holy Ghost leading the Church into all truth and the Church being the pillar and foundation of truth was a lie until a rebel sect of another rebel sect of another rebel sect of another rebel sect came along.
Man, use your head.

>>128090173
You spelled "Christ" wrong you sad little shill.

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>>128101994
sleeping in some bunk bed in a church for a few days isnt the same human dignity as receiving your own money till your dead

also theres plenty of people on social security and medicaid who didnt pay in to it

and it acts as a pool to cover those in need

which does not exist in the private world sufficiently it wouldnt cover all the medical bills and shit from all the poor using the medical system

>>128102200
It is the one you quoted, 2 Timothy 3:16-17:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

This does not say what you think it says. And we look at this as being consistent with what we believe. The Bible is inspired by God but ultimately written by Man.

>>128100986
thats why you dont trust any of them
you trust the Bible above all else
if a church disagrees with the Bible than you should disagree with that church
and much of what Catholocism says disagrees with the Church
and you can say that the Catholics assembled the Bible if you want it doesn't matter because they didn't write it
the Bible is written by God through men and God is the ultimate authority

>>128102721
I already explained to you, you're thinking of Mark 7.