You realize Trump is retarded on this one?

OH FUCK! OH FUCK! PANIC! THE CLIMATE IS GOING TO COLLAPSE WITHIN 48 HOURS!!!! OH GOD!!!!

>>128037978
Trap porn is gay

>>128037978
ok, here take my money that should solve it

>>128037978
Thats a nice lake, I dont see how this is a bad thing

>>128037978
2004 looks like it supports more diversity of life. Isn't diversity the objective?

>>128037978
>Glaciers move slowly over time

Wow

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>>128037978

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>>128037978
Agreed, Alex jones retarded need leave this board, we are far right environmentalists here, just like Hitler.

>>128037978

Climate change is a lie.

>>128037978
>one picture from winter
>the other from summer

wow great worldwide scam you got going on, trouble is only retarded sheeple believe in it

>>128037978
Climate change is real. Even if its not man-made it's bad. Even if it doesn't raise sea levels and destroy cities, it acid-bleaches coral reefs. On SOME LEVEL, climate change is real and exclusively negative for most people. You really think (((they))) won't use an expanding sahara desert as an excuse to bring more niggers in to Europe? STOP THIS MADNESS, GO GREEN. Hitler would have agreed with me.

Just accept that it's real. If your argument is "we can't stop it", you're a defeatist cuck.

>>128038619
not that quickly retard

>>128037978
>glaciers collapse
>world goes through heating and cooling cycles

>>128038849
how much of a mongoloid are you, to where you think THAT much ice forms in winter

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>>128037978
>(((science)))
>always showing just the last 100 years of data to scare the brainwashed zombies

global warming/climate change is an industry unto itself and they want worldwide "carbon taxes" on top of that. it is an insidious thing far beyond that even.

you won't understand wtf i'm talking about unless you look into these things for yourself. so, you can do that (takes effort)... or blindly continue to go along with their agenda. whatever.

did you know having ice cap is an anomaly? did you know that the earth has been ice cap free for ~90% of its existence? did you know by definition ice caps only exist during ice ages? did you know we are at the tail end of a CURRENT ice age now? did you know the caps extended as far down as missouri/kentucky just 20,000 years ago and have been receding ever since that peak? did you know the caps are going bye-bye even if every person on the planet disappeared 20,000 years ago?

THE OCEAN'S RELEASE *ALL ON ITS OWN* IS FAR LARGER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY *OUT ACCELERATING* MANS CONTRIBUTION

THE OCEAN IS RELEASING MORE DUE TO WARMER TEMPS (WARMER WATER = IT'S A FAR LESS EFFECTIVE C02 SINK)

IF HUMANS NEVER AROSE CO2 WOULD BE INCREASING AT ALMOST THE EXACT SAME RATE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW

THIS HAPPENS AT THE END OF EVERY ICE AGE

STOP BEING SO FUCKING GULLIBLE AND LAZY

LOOK INTO THINGS FOR YOURSELF AND STOP TAKING WHAT THE MSM, EPA.GOV AND NASA.GOV ETC. TELL YOU AT FACE VALUE, YOU LAZY SHITS. IT IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL.

ICE AGES AND PERMANENT ICE *ARE AN ANOMALY*

BY DEFINITION AN "ICE AGE" IS WHEN THE EARTH HAS PERMANENT ICE SHELVES

WE HAD ICE A MILE THINK IN CINCINNATI JUST 20,000 YEARS AGO

THE PLANET IS WARMING AND THE CAPS ARE METLING

THAT MEANS = MORE CO2, SEA RISE AND WEATHER PATTERN CHANGES

WE CAN'T STOP OR ALTER IT, WE WILL ADAPT JUST FINE

STOP BEING SCARED INTO TAX SCHEMES AND GLOBALIST POWER PLAYS YOU DUMBED DOWN ZOMBIES

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>climate change is real
>data points are only over 76 years
Educate yourself.

>>128037978

Even if you're right, there's nothing we can do about it.

>>128038684
>on alcohol thermometer
is this just one cunt in his back yard with a shitty thermometer?

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>>128037978
Back in election days, I would always shill for Trump among my fellow leafs, but I could never defend him on one point, his climate change denial.

Now he does this. Fuck, of course he's retarded on this one, what the fuck was he thinking? Even CHINA agreed to the Paris Agreement and pledged to put in the most money into green technology to curb pollution, but now the second largest polluter in the world is pulling out?

Frankly unacceptable. I'm glad everybody is giving him hell on this.

>>128037978
Oh shit, think about all those poor defenseless animals finding a new home now that the ice isn't covering up all the land anymore!!!!!!!

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>>128037978
I believe in it, but the funny thing is, I don't want any children so I doubt it's going to have a huge impact in my life time, but it will have an imapact on the children of those white nationalist guys who deny it, so that gives me peace.

>>128039041

coal shill

>>128037978
good, more water, more storms, more vegetation, warmer weather.

>>128037978
So the sea level rises by a foot instead of 8 inches in the next 100 years?

Fuck off.

>on this one

>>128038896
dumb fuck cannuck

how does raising my taxes fix anything?

>>128037978
it is but it's not man-made

>>128039128
I bet you live in Arizona and don't want it to get hotter.

>>128038091
Shut your whore mouth

>>128039034
wow climate cultists sure are dumb

>>128039124
>one cunt in his backyard with a thermometer
>for 132 years

>>128037978
do you honestly think that climates change because of human

>>128039128
go away shill

>>128039247
>land dries up
>can't grow shit
yeah, nice

>>128038707
Lol that graph is shit and you should be ashamed of postig it.

.001% variance oh wow!

>>128039124
>GISS
>cunt in back yard

well huemonkey I don't expect you to understand anything.

>>128037978
Climate change is real

the paris accord will do nothing to fix it, so US pulling out was smart

Don't make us bomb you again

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>>128038707
>half
>a
>single
>degree

>>128039557
>relying on data from a 132 year old instrument

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>>128039646
Post another one yourself faggot

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I believe climate change is happening and within a generation or 2 we will experience the first serious effects which will be environmental refugees and I voted for jill stein.

however 20 trillion in US debt means that we cannot afford all the green action that is required. in other words I believe we do not have the funds to fix climate change.

AND I do find it very strange that the global community seems so relaxed on economically developing countries like china where the pollution is so bad its citizen literally have trouble breathing the air, while being very tough on the US. I do believe its in the interest of the powerful few that money is siphoned out of the US and refugees imported while investing in economically develop countries that have no restriction and keep low grade humans out of their population.

He's retarded for not embracing Nuclear power and wanting to keep the Coal Industry going.

Whats not retarded however, is pulling out of yet another handout to shit countries.

climate change is real but penalizing businesses and individuals isn't right

they should Incentivize businesses to switch over to cleaner energy

doesn't matter
throwing money to people that will not help is not a solution

>>128038849
I hope you're not serious you retarded illiterate fuck.

A warmer planet is a better planet.

Paris accord isn't even about the environment. It's just a scheme to squeeze gibs from other countries and hold gala parties.

>>128039816
we already are experiencing serious effects
people in my country haven't been able to grow shit for 5 years because of drought and lack of rain brought on by weather phenomena
it's real and it's costing us a lot of money

>>128039829

true

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>>128039477
Nigger I live in Leaf land in the cold areas. Climate change is a problem all scientists agree on, the only people talking shit are the huge corporate (((scumbags))) that do not want to pay the carbon tax, and all the anti-climate change retards are their shills.

Just like Monsanto has their shills, I know these oil and coal companies do. Just like this guy over here >>128039613

Instead of thinking about the few cents deposited in your bank account, think about the environment you're leaving your children and grandchildren in.

>>128039706
Global half a single degree and it's growing every year faggot.

>>128039849
Correct.

>>128039706
To put it in perspective if it were to rise 2 degrees America's coasts would be under water. It's hard to mine for coal when the mountain is submerged by 50 feet of water.

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>>128039999
Yes, we are living in a modern maximum. Just like 1000 years ago.

>>128039849
>>128040233
This is literally doing the opposite of that.

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>>128040292
It has been proven that solar activity is not a major factor.

>>128037978
picture is fake news

one is in summer, the other winter.

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>>128040226
DELETE THIS

>>128040450
>The sun is not a major factor in our climate

Climate science, everyone. Clearly they need more money.

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>>128040292
>it-it-it's gonna go down any moment now! just a maximum i swear then temperatures will come crashing down!

>>128040579
maybe the 100 trillion will convince them

>>128037978

>hur drumpf don't believe in climate change cuz he pulled out!!1!!

Maybe climate change isn't just wasn't worth being part of the shitty eu circle jerk

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climate change is made up by billionaires and people with too much money so they get bored and have to forge fake threats

>>128040579
That's not what I said shill, sun is not a major factors in recent global temperature rise

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>>128037978
Yeah, Trump is retarded. It's true.

>>128040267
Good. Commiefornia can rot in hell

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>>128040189
whoa, now can you show the correlation between Co2 and temperature in such span of time?
Also source of your pic?

>>128039816
A sensible position.

>>128037978
Climate change being "real" and the Paris Agreement doing anything to stop it are two different things.

These are the kind of threads where /pol/lacks show their true colors.

You can clearly see the sensible people who understand the underlying issues and the people who follow whatever Trump says.

Climate change is a bad choice of words, so is global warming.

>anthropogenic increase in CO2 levels in the atmosphere

is the correct way of saying it.

The last 100 years of human industrial activity has already shown significant impact on ecosystems and climate. The last 30 years have shown CATASTROPHIC changes in ecosystems and atmosphere (lets not even begin to talk about trash and plastic particulates in EVERYTHING).

We are doomed. These Paris accords are damage control. Not signing them is short sightedness and will cost us dearly in the long run. The US is an expert at failing at planning ahead.

Lastly I will point out the irony of people here arguing about MUH HOLOCAUST and MUH WHITE GENOCIDE, but fail to see the significance of what these climatic changes entail.

>>128040267
>underwater by 2020
>join an accord aimed at slightly reducing emissions by 2100
Really makes me think.

>>128040579
>Being this retarded.

Nigger didn't they teach you to read?

Climate change is the least important part of this.

This is why I will never understand you dumb fucks. You can completely disregard climate change and environmental protection is still the obvious way to go. Why would you want shitty chemicals in the air increasing the risk of you and your kids developing asthma? Why would you want your national parks and natural landmarks turned into strip mines so that a few shitty not-jewish jews can stuff their pockets some more? Why would you want your water quality become questionable, or your lakes and beaches getting shitty because of dumping and near-shore oil drilling?

Why would you turn down abundant, much more practical energy sources in favor of increasingly risky and desperate methods of pulling fuel out of the ground, and foreign dependence?

This was worth it just for the protection of air quality.

>>128040267
>california and new york getting flooded
>bad
???

I think pulling out is most likely a 4d chess move to get other countries to tax US carbon emmission, which in return will make manufacturing and other processes cheaper to do inside the country

>>128037978
>Climate change

please define this and include who funded the studies

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>>128038091

>>128039748
No, why don't you post a graph that would be publishable in a scientific journal? Also this graph contradicts the previous one, which is the real one? Also why would Solar Cycle length have any effect is there a theory postulating an hypothesis behind it or just a fluke correlation? I mean, we could correlate any number of meaningless stuff, number of bedsheet deaths per year has a .97 correlation score with profits from skiing facilities.

>>128037978
>deal with it.
>Butt-fuck everyone on taxes so the richest people can buy more cars and take more airplane rides and jobs are lost while the climate problems rage on.

>>128039816

theres alot experts who feel that
the only way to solving the problem is through
PRIVATE investment and innovation.

the same type of organziations that runs the mail service will never deliver on effective solutions to climate change, and in fact will more likely make it more difficult to solve

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>>128040682
>isn't just wasn't worth

China is going to be the largest spender and India will soon catch up too. This isn't an EU circlejerk, this is a global concern and countries like China have been doing their utmost best to kill the coal industry in order to make their cities livable.

https://www.ft.com/content/3d9d0c78-ce7b-11e6-864f-20dcb35cede2

http://www.mining.com/china-steps-up-efforts-to-cut-coal-capacity/

Considering that according to that dumbfuck orangutan, global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese to lower economic activity, they're sure hurting themselves the most over their hoax

>>128039124
>what is global average temperature vs. global temperature anomaly
how are you fucking people allowed to even READ about climate change?

>>128037978
The US, since stopping coal, has reduced its CO2 emissions from 7mil tonnes a year to 6.1.

China, just last year, put out 8. Japan 11. Africa, in just 15 years, put out 300.

It's like holding back the tides with a spoon at this point. Get overpopulation sorted.

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just wondering, Have Trump noticed our prime ministers begging u.s to stay in Paris?

>>128039191
A
Fucking
Crux

>>128037978
What's the problem? It just gives us a reason to get serious and hurry the fuck up with moving to a new planet while leaving all the nogs here.

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>>128037978
No context. What time of the year were each of these taken? You're positive there's no seasonal variance?

nicaragua is the only country that got it right on this one

too bad trump is actually retarded and not jk to mess with liberals

>>128040189
this is a process that is happening despite human interference though.

I'm not entirely educated on the subject so I'll point you to someone who is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

>>128037978
Please explain how the Paris accords were going to change this?

Was thenplanet going to start getting colder?

Guess what global cooling is way worse than warming

If we start global cooling you better be concerned cause that's when lots of people will die

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>>128040624
I didn't say that. But the planet has certainly been hotter than it is today. Plus carbon ain't sheit.

It was hotter during the golden years of Rome.

>>128039849
Not just that they were using it as a pretext to jam everyone into micro appartments in their decrepit cities. Keep in mind they are going to destroy the internet and peer pressure with extreme force IRL in those cities. Very much BNW/1984.

>>128041355
>Being this retarded

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>>128041346
>he thinks we give a fuck about scandinavia

>>128041346
They are all begging U.S to do everything, but seriously fuck Europe and all it's faggot homo leaders, they do nothing but insult us all the time and play these retarded games, they can go fuck themselves, Trump is exactly how a President is supposed to be

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>>128040267
>Drown everyone
>Zero carbon footprint
Trump is a genius.

>>128037978
B-BUT WE HAVE TO SPITE DA LIBTARDS XDDDD

>>128038896
Climate change bennifits Canada for sure makes huge areas of your country habitable

>>128038896
Higher CO2 levels is making the sahara greener, idiot.

>>128040189
>the consensus lie and its inherent fallacy all in one
>>128040947
>temperature anomaly again
pretty embarrassing, good thing our standards for the eternal leaf are already so low

>>128041578
>It´s all about the crown of the world, US
USA USA USA

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>>128037978

>>128041530
t. nog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

Debunk Bill Whittle then you fucking luddites.

>>128037978
if you think that's true go talk to china otherwise aint much the west could do on their own.

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>>128041027

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>>128040947
Date from: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record

Website: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

I posted the temperature anomalies in >>128040624

>>128040450
>temperature anomaly labelled "temperature"
fucking lol this one takes the cake

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Why is this a political issue again?

>>128041530
Isn't it time for your daily prayer, Muhammad?

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>>128041699
yee boi

>>128041700
are you dumb? people weren't around that long ago to track tempatures you idiot

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>>128041578
luckily winland is not part of scandinavia!

>>128041827
A question of money (taxes go there)

>>128041700
>temperature variation
your graphs too old; they call this "anomaly" now because 1) the data doesn't fit the model and 2) the real average has barely moved for 17+ years

>>128039535

YES THEY ARE
saging thread btw sry OPnigger

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APOLOGISE RIGHT FUCKING NOW

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>>128037978

read it and weep

>>128040624
.5 change. World wide. In 100 years. This is near perfect stability. Amazing how fucking stable the climate is that in 100 years there isn't even an aproximation to statistically significant change.

>>128039477
Actually Arizona will get more precipitation due to climate change and more El Niño's so it will actually get greener and wetter so even if some summer highs around 119 will be more common we will get more rain to help regulate the temperature over the summer on average

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>>128038707
What's the next pivot, super serious science man?

>>128041381
>Haha we'll just move to a new planet

>By the way let's try our hardest to not switch over to the energy sources that would be necessary for settling other worlds, which have no fucking fossil fuels.

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>>128041946
i order stuff from varusteleka every once in a while
yous guys are alright

>>128039405
it doesn't. That's why it's so bad that conservatives (all over the planet, but especially in the US) choose the "climate change isn't real/our problem" approach, giving the left an interpretation monopol to how it should be tackled. What that leads to can be seen in germany, nuclear power (the only reasonable way we can deal with it) canned, tons of renewables with fluctuating production and nothing to act as buffer, energy prices through the roof, subventions needed for heavy industry because high power prices would kill it.

What does tackling climate change mean? Mainly things that we need to do anyways at some point. Becoming energy independent and moving away from fossil fuels is a good thing and can move your country forward, but it has to be done reasonably. For example by heavily relying on fission power for a transmission period until renweables become able to provide cheap power (or we get fusion running, this time for real lads huehue).

>>128041027
>The last 30 years have shown CATASTROPHIC changes in ecosystems and atmosphere

>earth grows greener thanks to Co2 fertilization

The "catastropic" changes don't come from co2, they actually come from real pollutants like that get thrown out into the environment in third world countries where no one gives a shit about the environment.

You want to make the earth a cleaner place? Get industries back into the first world and let them produce according to the current environmental standards.

>>128037978
Even if you're right the Paris accord does nothing and America is already a leader in reducing emissions. Deal with it.

Mods, nuke all other threads of climate change according to sticky

They just want the U.S. money

>>128037978
it snowed in the sahara this year, but yeah, the world is getting hotter.

Sure nigger sure. Your cuck president obama is gone, no more free rides

>>128041428
Carbon is a capable GHG. If we continue pumping out carbon, the climate will heat up and icecaps will melt, resulting the underwater methane reserves being released.

Methane is a fucking powerful GHG, extremely potent. Once too much methane is in the air we're fucked. That's why we gotta slow down CO2 before it continues making the problem exponentially worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_emissions

>>128042126
>>128041355

>>128041680
Almost the complete Sahelzone was green until the end of the last ice age, it gets worse with rising temperatures.
The rain belt going further north isn´t doing anything good because the rain is missing near the equator then.

>>128041707
Shut up, spic, 0% white, brownie shithoile.

>>128038936
Clearly has though.

>>128037978

man made climate change is bullshit, however

>>128041634
well thought out post leaf

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One thing I've realised now is pol is full of some real brainlet trump niggers who won't be convinced no matter what trump does. People will find any excuse to suck his wrinkly dick

>>128041381
don't even try it. human-made climate change is real. trump has 2 reasons to claim the opposite: 1. some voters who have jobs in those industries. 2. friends in oil and coal industry. the whole anti climate change propaganda is lobby bullshit. what was that about establishment?!

>>128041104
This. Too bad no one is paying attention.

>>128037978
Holy fucking chemtrails. You mean the climate hasn't stopped changing yet?

>>128037978
Global warming is the best way to rebalance the earth without nuclear literally killing everything. Why do you hate the earth so much to not let us do her thing^
Or do you actually believe that you'll change something to the direction we're heading^
Humans are humans. We're just more capable animals.

What was in the Paris deal OP?

Basically I'm saying go kill yourself.

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>>128037978
How are climate change deniers this retarded? They are literally using the internet and 4chan right now, but don't believe in the scientific method.

>>128041104
Gotta fight the lobbies for that, boi.

But yeah I'm all for that. The researched alternative energy sources are made and known. They just need to be allowed to thrive.

In the mean time, fuck the Paris climate agreement and the green whatever act. Fucking robbery.

>>128042224
Hotter temps= more precipitation

A hotter planet is objectively better for humans and we do better during warm periods

>>128041197
it's publishable and published, it doesn't contradict. the graph shows that solar cycle has little effect, therefore it's not caused by sun. it's not just random correlation, there is evidence for it, scientists are not bunch of leftist retards.

Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6Z04VJDco

Since idiots are adamant to fill white countries with niggers, I stopped recycling altogether. In fact I do everything to damage the environment so the mudskins will feel like home - hot, smelly, dirty desert.

If CO2 levels tripled tomorrow, the most noticable effect would be happy plants that yield bigger harvests. The demonization of CO2 is one of the most retarded memes for global governance to date.

>>128042331
How did the Paris accord stop climate change


I'll wait

>boo hoo we're running out of water
>stop global warming it will make too much water

pick a side, retards.

>>128037978
>Trump is retarded on this one
>We'll save the world by throwing 150 trillion dollars at the UN to lower global temps by 0.015 C by 2100.
>We can slow down the solar holocaust by 8 months!

>>128042371
>believing the "settled science" meme

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the climate is changing as part of natural cycles older than humanity! quick, let's hamstring industry and our ability to adapt to the changing climate!

>>128038091
If get, traps are bisexual

>>128042247
>shithoile
spoke as a true nigger
Futhermore
>Id: Jwd

>>128037978
so climate = more water? How is this bad? What do we need ice for.

>>128040267
literally no scientist is predicting that, you fucking alarmist retard.

>>128042091
>retarded leftists politicians make bullshit predictions, these means that scientists are wrong and anthropocentric climate change is not a thing

kys

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>>128037978
Remember when the snow on Mt Kilimanjaro was going to melt by 2016? Face it, Climate Change is a hoax!

>>128041104
>Trump kills EPA
>Trump leaves Paris Agreement

Say good bye to your air quality. Air quality is much more shittier in the US than in Canada but now it's going to be worse for you guys. Nothing will be stopping all those polluters now.

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>>128041797
>Ask a temperature chart beginning at least at 400000 years
>give one which begin in 1890

>>128041696
Here, better?

>>128038684
>3 degree F rise

Are you supporting the OP?

I can't tell if you're retarded.

>>128042166

>The "catastropic" changes don't come from co2

Youre clearly dont understand the difference between pollution of the environment and the effect of CO2 on the atmosphere.

Beende lieber die Hauptschule bevor you deine "Meinung" wieder äußerst.

>>128040946
>>128041127
You realize there's more to the coasts than just LA and New York, right?
Where do you think the coal deposits are exactly?

>>128042371
You´re doing God´s work but I think it´s as futile as trying to teach niggers.

Glass houses my friend. Isn't retarded your national identity? How else would your women sleep with you if they weren't?

sage

>>128042699
can fap in peace now, thanks

>>128042699
If singles, Bisexual is made up word by cucks

>>128042091
>oh boy, look at these stupid liberals always changing their minds about the environment
>clearly this means that nothing bad can happen from spewing coal into the atmosphere and continuing to use non-renewable resources for all eternity

>>128042938
So it's literally a self regulating issue?

>>128043044
.. dang it

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>>128043044

>>128042755
this* anthropogenig*

>>128041243

>Cutting from 84% of power to *maybe* 54% over 26 years
>Treating transitions to more modernized coal tech as serious steps in the process
>Making alternative energy *actually available* alongside planned reductions in coal output

China is undertaking exactly the kind of sensible, moderate, rational energy restructuring that American liberals want absolutely no part of.

You offer me a Chinese-style restructuring as an option instead of just letting Democrats kill the fossil-fuel industries overnight and then watching them laugh while "green energy" money falls into a black hole of corruption without any results, and honestly, I'll take it. But as it stands, that option is just not on the table.

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>>128042699
It's settled then.

>>128043190
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT I misspelled anthropogenic again fuck my fingers

>>128037978

Fuck Trump selling out to corporate oligarchs. Fucking neocon piece of shit

>>128042231
Nice knowledge but the Paris Accord was ROBBERY.

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>>128037978
Yes he's a retard alright. And a terrorist supporter

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>>128037978
Do you like it hot or freezing cold?

Pic related... Canada 100M years ago.

>>128042508

In the 80's was the global ice age scare. Now the fucktards found a new enemy. CO2 and warm climate would enable a planet-size tropical forest like in the distant past. They freak over 10-20 years differences when hot climates lasted millions of years at a time.

>>128037978
Pic above looks like there were water before

>>128043219
that option isn't on the table because conservatives leave the whole "how to deal with climate change" discussions to the left. They should act as counterweight, advocating for what you call rational restructuring, and nuclear power as solution to the problem. Yet many of them say it doesn't exist to begin with.

>>128041381
Not for glaciers, not that fucking much.

>>128042905
thank but i have a master degree in energy and environmental management, I deal with that shit on daily basis.

>>128043044
Holy shit.
If triplets, Climate Change/warming/cooling is a trap!

>>128043466
the global ice scare was in no way comparable

>>128040778
That's sarcasm, right?

>>128038707
yeah enviromentalists, means tackling real problems for the enviroment like corps waste being tossed into rivers. Not fucking global warming which is a scam to tax your ass.

>>128043466
When I was a kid, overpopulation was the big boogeyman. Now the West is being flooded with third world peasants and you never hear leftists talk about overpopulation.

>>128043649

I have a M.Sc. in Geosciences. Maybe get a real scientific degree and then come back.

>>128040189
>increased taxes mean my children starve to death
>at least they die breathing clean air.

Fucking leaf

>>128042755
By what percentage?

>>128043084
>So it's literally a self regulating issue?
Self regulation is nonsense. If we don't have laws on the books (read: regulations) companies will just fall back on their first priority: maximizing profits regardless of the effect on the environment.

It's hard to spend all the money in the world if you don't have a planet to live on.

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>>128041950
So why isn't everyone arguing about government spending rather than the science? All this shouting in the wind is kinda awkward.

>>128037978
1928 (fake year because resolution) - winter
2004 - summer

>you suck cock - real
>neighbor find out and skin you alive -also real

>>128043755
Is there a climate change tax?

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>>128042699
If singles, liking 2D traps makes you either straight or bisexual but never gay. If get, always makes you gay.

Not many people here are claiming that climate change isnt taking affect.

We are denying that it's our fault or because of humans and more to do nature and the universe taking its natural cause

>>128042699
Motherfucker...

>>128038091
>feminine penis

>>128043953
>A glacier grows several kilometer because it´s winter

Lean to tell apart a glacier from frozen sea ice you moron.

>>128043966
Yeah it's called carbon tax. Failed in Australia, Greenland and British Colombia.

>>128042513
Well it demanded Usa to give hundreds of billions in donations to other countries like India who are allowed to double their coal, etc production and bigleague increase their emissions. China too. Full steam ahead for China for the next 13 years.

The Accord is literally rape.

>>128043649
>appeal to authority
>use soft sci bullshit as his made up degree
>still to retarded to get the difference between greenhouse gasses and 3rd worlders fucking their rivers with heavy metal sludge

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I wish anthropogenic climate change was real so we could expand more north and get away from the retarded burgers

>>128039041
>more CO2 = warmer weather and sea rise
>we cant stop or alter it
how about we reduce our emissions like CO2 perhaps? ;)

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would you rather it be ice age?

>>128043966
It's cooked into your energy bills and gas prices.

wtf i love granting more foreign aid to Africa now

http://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2016/paris-climate-deal-and-africa

>African negotiators had urged rich countries to build on the promise by developed countries to ramp up climate financing by $100 billion by 2020 for developing countries

the article even goes on to state...

>Considering Africa’s comparably negligible emissions over the years

So if Africa has so few emissions, how does frittering away billions of American tax dollars in unstable, poor countries cut emissions exactly? There was no emissions in the first place, so why are we sending them money for equipment to cut their emissions? Seems kind of strange to me....

>>128043770
So true. Suddenly 1000 people per square km is not so bad.

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Paris Agreement poll, get in here.
http://www.strawpoll.me/13091362

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don't you want it to be warm?

Of course it's real you fucking retarded, now tell me how us, the 21st century humans are going to fucking reverse centuries of damage? Want a clean planet build a fucking time machine, don't tax the US or any other country into oblivion.

For reference my dad can't drive his truck in London because of the fee he has to pay to get the fucking thing in. The Paris agreement is a scam to tax our asses into oblivion

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>>128043044
>>128042699
>>128038091

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So tell me guys...

How fucked are we?

Madmax when?

>>128043707
No internet back then, to brainwash masses. Just a tiny minority followed the popular science magazines.

>>128043886
By what percentage what? I don't get the question

we need to go NUCLEAR

>>128037978
It may be real but it's not a big dealio' a.d we will deal with it.

also that 'evidence' is laughable.

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itt, you realize that without climate change we would be frozen over after this interglacial...

>>128043462
They had cameras back then?

>>128041205
You do realize that Trump is one of those rich people that are trying to butt fuck the lower classes, right?

>>128042854
>Data of Greenland only

thx, sorry to announce it to you but different regions have different temperatures

>>128043219
>Over 66% of China's energy consumption comes from coal
>He thinks China would just press a button and all coal factories would shut down

It doesn't work that way. Coal is a big part of China's economy and energy sector, the process to reduce it is a long one but even reducing by 10 or 20% will greatly kill CO2 emissions. Thanks to China's new efforts CO2 level have been going down greatly.

This isn't "restructuring", this is reduction. After 26 years China will still continue reducing coal. But you Republitards want nothing of "reduction", just keep pumping out the coal with no regulations. Trump is killing regulations, has killed the EPA and wants to maintain coal jobs, there is clearly no intent of you following in China's footsteps.

>>128044192
i am not the one who started it, see
>>128042905
>>128044192

>>128043870
>Geosciences
>talk in decades

yeah...

>>128044586
no, it was highly controversial and not well sourced to begin with

>>128044332
>Not wanting fimbulvintr to come, freezing all the niggers to death

>>128043995
Actually, burning fossil fuels has bumped the CO2 levels in the atmosphere by a lot. Only r/donald/ (or whatever's the name of the subleddit) and (((people))) who have something to gain of burning fossil fuels believe in clean coal and shit like that

>>128040450
It's the fucking sun. I don't agree.

>>128037978
ebb and flow is an ongoing thing throughout the universe, what makes you think this isn't one of them, unless you're thinking of (((global taxation plot preying on human activity))), oy vey

>>128044581
Judging by that pic, we're fucked beyond salvation. WTF?

>>128044614
Opps *By what percent is it anthropogenic?

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dodged a bullet

>hurr scientists were paid by corporations to say that climate change is not man-made
Who bribed the Soviet scientists then? Because the Soviet scientific consensus was that people don't affect climate change in a significant way. And since it's not economic theory or anything that would go against marxist principles, and since the USSR was sort of technocratic, valuing unbiased scientific research, I believe it's safe to say their opinion was not prejudiced. So what are we dealing with here?

>>128042412
I guarantee you no scientific journal would allow that graph on a paper. It would send it back and tell the author to go back to highschool.

If it was published like that then it just show what a fucking laugh climate science is...

Ok, so you show me a graph where solar cycle (not solar activity) is somewhat correlated with temperature anomaly (which doesn't make any sense, if anything it'd be a proxy variable) but then, in the 70s it stops being so... I thought the idea behind it was to show that world temperature stopped following its natural course due to man farting more or whatever. But now you're telling me that there's little effect. But then you tell me that there's a meaningful correlation. Do you have any idea what you're trying to say?

Go suck Di Caprio's dick boy.

>>128044846
I don't know the exact percentage, pretty big number.

>>128043880
>increased taxes mean my children starve to death
>HURRRRR additional taxes are gonna starve me to death


Bait, nobody can be this retarded.

>>128037978
Good. More retards die. Whats your point faggot?

>>128044231
Do you even solar rays bro? We are too tiny to make a dent to the global climate.

>>128044787
just like "global warming"/"climate change" Hans. A planned scare designed to take money away, not from real culprits. Now, the method is all refined and dissenters can lose their jobs

>>128044770
>the process to reduce it is a long one but even reducing by 10 or 20% will greatly kill CO2 emissions

It will also further decline their status as the cheap labor capital of the world with more regulation, handing the torch off to some other shithole country like Vietnam, India, or some southeast Asian nation to become the cheap shit capital of the world and the cycle continues.

>Thanks to China's new efforts CO2 level have been going down greatly.

Yeah, sure Chang. We totally believe it. China is saving the world.

>>128045063
So you don't know shit if it's completely athroporgenic driven. No one does, that's the thing.

>>128044684
It is a 'big dealio', otherwise your president wouldn't be sitting in france shitting his pants over the sea level around finland

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>>128037978
>The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway.

>Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

>Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922. As reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post — 88 years ago!

>>128038091
I'm not sure about this one lads

>>128037978
World has always gone through cycles retardds plus if the world is heating up good Canada is is like -30C for half the year where I live.

>>128044976
No you fucking low IQ moor, it is no longer correlated with solar irradiance, solar cycle which proves that it's not caused by son and most likely by humans. anti climate changers usually make that argument that it's caused by sun.

>>128045186
global warming/climate change is not highly controversial amongst the people that actually have a clue about their research field

>>128044770
earlier this year, PRC canceled 103 coal plants that were planned or under construction. There isn't a single coal power plant in Beijing as of 2017. They're providing subsidies for electric cars, shutting down steel mills and other polluters (directors are literally going to jail for being in charge of polluting plants), etc

>>128037978
Climate change has been a Jewish plot for decades to tax and regulate world governments and has no scientific basis in reality, deal with it.

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>>128045151
There's 7 billion people on the planet, we blew up one factory and it closed off an area of Ukraine for 10,000 years. We can and are changing the planet.

>>128044770
>Thanks to China's new efforts CO2 level have been going down greatly.

>new record emission in 2016

We know its real but its not our responsibility to pay for everything in the world so FUCK YOU

>>128037978
Another retard that never even read the Paris Accord. Withdrawing from the accord isn't climate change denial. It required American tax payers to subsidize the development of 3rd world countries that produce very little carbon. Do they not teach you how to read in Slovakia?

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>>128044581
>microwaving babies
American innovations can only go so far.

>>128041186

s-s-s-s-s-sauce?

>>128045539
>There isn't a single coal power plant in Beijing as of 2017.

That's because they're being outsourced to Africa

Out of sight, out of mind, though, right?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/05/lamu-island-coal-plant-kenya-africa-climate/

>>128045063
>I do not know shit
>I'm using a flag surrounded by mudslimes, have no idea about Sukhumi massacre, yet I shill for globalist fairy tales

When Abkhaz entered my house, they took me and my seven year old son outside. After forcing us to kneel, they took my son and shot him right in front of me. After they grabbed me by hair and took me to the nearby well. An Abkhaz soldier forced me to look down that well; there I saw three younger man and couple of elderly woman who were standing soaking in water naked. They were screaming and crying while Abkhaz were dumping dead corpses on them. After that, they threw a grenade there and placed more people inside. I was forced again to kneel in front of the dead corpses. One of the soldiers took his knife and took the eye out from one of the dead near me. Then he started to rub my lips and face with that decapitated eye. I could not take it any longer and fainted. They left me there in a pile of corpses

>kys

>>128039726
>analog instruments don't work goy, get these digital "calibrated" ones instead

>>128045226
>It will also further decline their status as the cheap labor capital of the world with more regulation, handing the torch off to some other shithole country like Vietnam, India, or some southeast Asian nation to become the cheap shit capital of the world and the cycle continues.

Lol, you really know nothing of China, do you? This has been going on before China even joined the Paris agreement. China is now trying to become a service-based economy like the UK as it's middle-class grows increasingly richer. And it's somewhat working.

>Yeah, sure Chang. We totally believe it. China is saving the world.

It's a fact you dipshit. In 2015, China reduced it's CO2 emission by the same amount that all of the UK pumps out. It's been doing a superb job so far. Also, I ain't no chink you fucking nigger/spic.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/chinas-reduction-in-co2-emissions-in-just-four-months-totals-the-entire-greenhouse-gases-emitted-by-10255957.html

>>128045585
Humans were looking like mice back then. Do you think we are still adapted to the climate of this time? Let alone our cities and infrastructure.

>>128045254
There is a very big change that it's anthropocentric, it started warming around when industrialization happened, other factors have been looked at and don't seem to be the cause, we know for a fact that humans produce lot of CO2, it doesn't just disappear.

>>128045850
Always use archive. Thank you.

>http://independent co uk/news/world/asia/chinas-reduction-in-co2-emissions-in-just-four-months-totals-the-entire-greenhouse-gases-emitted-by-10255957.html
--> https://archive.is/0PlFK

>>128045539
>According to data compiled by CoalSwarm, an industry watchdog, more than 100 coal-generating units with a combined capacity of 42.5 gigawatts are in various stages of planning or development in 11 African countries outside of South Africa—more than eight times the region’s existing coal capacity. Nearly all are fueled by foreign investment, and roughly half are being financed by the world’s largest coal emitter: China.

Just hide them on some other continent! That means we're not using coal! Am I right, you stupid chink shill?

>>128043966
yes . in germany you pay a tax on cars based on CO2 emision .

>>128037978
OP, USA is out of the Paris Agreement, deal with it snowflake.

>>128045509
of course not. people in "research" field are nowadays cum gurgling homosexuals all agreeing with each other as long as they get their assholes stretched while getting grant money.

>>128037978
Sure, but we're already well over the carbon count, so fuck it. Theres no point in crippling our economy and giving any form of foreign scum an advantage over us because some liberal snowflakes who live in the most polluted cities in the country suddenly care. Go fuck yourselves. Also they argue about this shit like its going to happen tomorrow. No, this is a continuous cycle of climate fuckery which stems from a natural process, in which we've piled onto, it takes thousands of years to actually change the landscapes. And hey if california is underwater in the next thousand years, who am I to complain?

>>128043046
>We have the resources THIS YEAR to change the entire planet's usable energy production!
>Oy Vey we should have signed the Paris Agreement we could have lessened the rate of heating by .005°C over the next 100 years at the low cost of our economy

>Dont you fucking BIGOTS realize we can just, like, all buy electric cars and global warming will be TOTALLY SOLVED? LMFAO DRUMPFKINS

>>128044231
>how about we reduce our emissions like CO2 perhaps? ;)

why? the ocean is pumping out CO2 like nobody's business.
do you have any idea how much CO2 and CO are thrown into the atmosphere by an erupting volcano??

>>128045878
I know, we'll just pick up our emissions and move them somewhere else!

http://endcoal.org/2016/08/chinas-growing-role-as-funder-of-africas-proposed-coal-plants/

t. Patrick 'Chang' Star

>>128042013
>Schlomo Jewbergstein

>>128038070
Sad no human ever, grow the fuck up.

>>128045429
It's also caused by extreme volcanic eruption. Bigger than what we've seen but know have happened.

Foreign rocky visitors from space also can cause cataclysmic and apocalyptic climate change. That can still happen.

And the sun. The only thing that makes this whole thing work. You believe it has no influence? It's much much bigger than us, you know? Don't be silly, m8.

>>128037978
Scientists claiming to know CO2 causes climate change and how, are lying. It is impossible to do the experiment that would be necessary to know: Add CO2 to a sample of Earths and leave other Earths alone and compare the resulting climates to see the effects of CO2.

INB4 models: There are many possible models that can fit past data. Your choice of model from among equally valid ones is arbitrary. However if the predictions don't conform to the popular predictions, you will be called on to defend your choice of model which you cannot do because it was arbitrary. BUT SO IS THE POPULAR CHOICE.

The popular choice is the result of who gets funded, - make the wrong choice and you disappear without a grant - which means leftist/communists/globalists etc control the predictions of the scientists they fund via government grants.

Also, that models are chosen to predict an apocalypse is exactly what you would expect if models were competing on garnering monetary attention. Scaremongering would be selected for and seems to be.

Many are interested in manufacturing consent for their ideas by generating fear, and they are willing to pay for scientists that spin their spooky stories for them it seems.

There need not be a quid pro quo. Just the willingness to fund those who were saying 'the right things' anyway. No conspiracy theory needed at all, just an emergent phenomenon - which is what is behind most apparent conspiracies.

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>>128044770
You're still not giving temperature data from the far past. Look like I have to do it for you

>>128045806
What are you talking about moron?
nice made up story we an Abkhazs both genocided each other, because we are both the same people and therefore both genocidal maniacs. what's your point gypsy?
How is this relevant?

>>128037978
If anyone was actually serious about "fighting" climate change we would be trying to depopulate huge areas of China, India and Africa.

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BASED CHINESE CUTTING THOSE COAL EMISSIONS

Reminds me of that time my mom told me to clean my room so I just pushed everything into my closet

>>128037978
Reminder that these graphs are fake, they were made to sacre people not show the truth, wikileaks has shown this.

>I'm posting the same thing in every thread

Paris was expensive virtue signaling. It would not even significantly slow down climate change, let alone reverse it.

The sole and only purpose of Paris was to give politicians something to point to when asked "why aren't you doing anything real about climate change?".

I think trump is very wrong about climate change but I spit on the Paris accords. Worthless words.

>>128038684
RESCALE YOUR GRAPH YOU NIGGER

>>128046177
No bitch, you need to own the mania of your fellow lefties who think ISIS is going to take over the world tomorrow because Bernie once said climate change will make them radicalized to find more resources

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>>128037978
Wtf I love climate change now

>>128046109
that's only true for soft sci cucks, STEM has become a meme but at least the scientific method is still largely intact there. They've got data they can work with, not feelings

>>128038091
Is it gayer to fuck a ftm or mtf?

>>128046384
>climate change we would be trying to depopulate huge areas of China, India and Africa.

Actually, they were doing the opposite with this Paris deal. It looked like a method of siphoning tax dollars from the first world and shoveling more foreign aid into shithole, unstable, African countries.

http://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2016/paris-climate-deal-and-africa

>>128046453
>Rescaling it will change the data

the leaf

>>128044581
The polar ice-caps will be gone within 48hours. Expect it very soon

>>128045878
Thanks my robotic friend say you know any good female bots who are single?

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>>128046017
>Am I right
No, you're not. Africans are building what's cheapest and the Chinese companies are the ones building it. If it weren't the Chinese, it would be someone else. Literally everyone's the same, anon - even the EU lot just pretend they give a shit, while poisoning half of the undeveloped world

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>>128037978
>climate change is real

We know, the climate is never NOT changing, that's why it's referred to as a CLIMATE, and not a state.

Total red-herring "argument" you got yourself there OP.

>>128042091
>>128042755
both of you niggers are wrong. cartoons like that are shilling bullshit stories that they took out of context and then circled back around to debunk. it's literally a strawman made by the someone trying to shill the strawmans arguement so it will take hold, only for them to wait a couple years and destroy it.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP
watch this fucking series at least to video 7

>>128037978

In the WORST CASE SCENARIO of global warming, Siberia thaws and becomes a deposit of enriched soil twice as large of the world's remaining arable land.

now apologize

>>128037978
this is the only action I will support on climate change
>mass murder niggers
>move to a 95%+ nuclear power grid
>interstellar colonization

>>128037978
You need geoengineering to stop climate change not some horseshit economic policies.

>>128046722
Wait, so you're telling me that cutting emissions is a fruitless effort because someone else will just fill the void???!?!? Wow!!!!!! I'm shocked!!!!

>Africans are building what's cheapest and the Chinese companies are the ones building it.

So the Chinese are still building coal plants and contributing to carbon emissions despite what you chink shills have been saying in this thread? Wow, it's almost like you were LYING. Huh!?!?!?! Really makes me think!!!

Computer models aren't science you fucking morons. Ice melted on this planet long ago, so what? Glaciers used to cover most of N America. Now they're gone, and yet we still survive here just fine. Go fuck yourselves with your welfare and wealth distribution which are the real global killers.

>>128046181
volcanic CO2 is balanced out by chemical weathering, half of human causes is as well absorbed by something, other half accumulates.

I don't think it has no influence, it's just not causing recent global warming.

>>128045806
Alright, man. Damn.

>>128037978
This deal had little to do with regulation for climate change, and more to do with signing away our freedoms.
Memes aside, this treaty is legit globalism.

>>128042371
There is nothing scientific about man-made world-ending climate change.

That's why they use (not unlike Shlomo) terms that have multiple meanings like "climate change" that nobody denies, but actually mean "man-made world-ending climate change", that is pure propaganda.

It often reminds me of that famous line "I'm not Jewish, I'm atheist"!

>>128046876
even nasa kikes had to admit that
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

>>128045878
my bad

>>128045539
This.


>>128045675
Do you even know what China pledged in the Paris Agreement? It pledged that it will peak it's CO2 emission by 2030, but according to some sources, it might already have.

http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china.html

>China’s CO2 emissions appear to have peaked more than a decade ahead of its Paris Agreement commitment to peak its CO2 emissions before 2030. The latest analysis from the Climate Action Tracker indicates that these emissions may, in fact, already have stopped increasing and reached peak levels.

>>128046310
Give me global temps for the last 10000 years, not since the Earth began.

>>128046017
Holy fuck, you're literally retarded. China has pledged to reduce it's OWN usage, not that of others. If African countries want to build coal plants and Chinese businesses are up for the task, then why not them instead of someone else?

Fuck, you're such an illiterate retard.

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Literally cannot wait for Antarctica to melt. It's going to be so awesome watching dumb people instantly switch from "lol climate change isn't real fag0tz" to "b-b-b-but why didn't the government do something?"

Death is certain, motherfuckers.

>>128037978
GREAT day to be an American.
The rest of the world can go get fucked. Carbon tax only takes my money, doesn't do shit for earth. I ain't paying your globalist masters to work, live, and breathe. Not gonna happen. My AK says so.

>>128046722
>hahaha Chinks are based! They're cutting all of these emissions!
>Meanwhile they're still building coal plants all over East Africa

lmao!!!!!! based gutter oil chuggers!!!

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>>128037978
America First!
BTFO shitskins and eurotrash!!!!