So seems the US has now successfully intercepted a ICBM, does

>>128002766
No.

You can still launch 100 missles at a time. If one gets thru to a place like Chicago, where there are a shit load of reactors and agriculture, then wed be pretty fucked.

Use your head for something other than a hat rack

>>128002766
>Pentagon Confirms Russia Has a Submarine Nuke Delivery Drone

but can it go under water??

>>128002766
Can someone tell me a flaw with this idea?
>Get commercial passenger planes
>Fill them with nuclear bombs
>Launch them on normal routes
>Drop
>too late to react

>>128002978
A drone is an unmanned aircraft or ship that can navigate autonomously, without human control or beyond line of sight.

>>128002942
I'm saying in a few years once it properly developed. Imagine the kind of money they will be throwing at this over the next few years, and with their budget. If the US can stop the nuclear threat then for me that's as good as making the first bombs in the first place.

>>128002766
No. An SLBM launched from the coast will only give 5 minutes warning and be too close for mid-course interception.

>>128003119
How to convince anyone other than third world goat fuckers to go aloha snack bar with a nuke and a 747.

>>128003193
I think they are only a few years away from now from being able to stop them all. Even SLBMs have to become airborne to reach a target.

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>>128002942
A single nuke over chicago is an acceptable loss though.
>>128002766
It doesn't nullify the threat, but it does make adversaries shift around targeting with their limited nukes. Let's say they you have a list of primary (must be destroyed targets) and secondary targets. To ensure the primary gets destroyed you have to now assign more and more nukes to it to be absolutely sure it's neutralized. Every nuke you assign in overlap to the primary is one less nuke you can assign to a secondary target, or to say an allied city target (london, paris etc.). It dramatically shifts the MAD at least temporarily. The outcome will be more nukes must be deployed and be on standby.

There was a reason Star Wars was canceled, you need an over 99% success rate, and the other side can always just build more bombs to launch at you, just 10 or so need to make it through.

That is assuming we can't already shoot everything down and this is all a game so if someone nukes us we can be like Nah u silly.

>>128004381
Star Wars was a project on paper only. We pretended to have that tech in order to bankrupt the Soviets by forcing them to pursue the tech.

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>>128003193
for a tactical nuke yeah, but the mirv nukes have to get into orbit. like this:
https://youtu.be/S-V6MZlyCqE

>>128002766
Inb4 Russia and China hack USA steal the tech and develop the system faster than lazy burgers

>>128002766
Interceptors can still be overwhelmed, they are useful against countries like North Korea who have limited resources. Russia can just build more nukes

We dont care enough to do that

>>128004775
We put men on the moon and brought them back, which the Soviets could not do.

They had no reason to doubt we could shoot missiles with missiles.

And now we can.

>>128005979
They got to space before we did, the only reason we blew the resources to land on the moon was because we had to beat them to it. After we landed there and saw how useless it was, everyone just stopped trying to go.

It was basically done to say - hey we can get a man to the moon I think we can get a missile to your face.

>>128002766
Oh, son. I am disappoint.
>Subs
>Trains
>Whackadoos with backpacks

Tactical nukes are easily transportable. What's preventing the west from obliteration and chaos are the brave souls hunting down and eradicating groups of assholes from actually obtaining the raw materials and putting the "know-how" to work.

>>128002766
A nuclear payload delivered by plane would still be a problem. If it isn't, enjoy the massive land war that will surely now occur

>>128007437
Did you ever see that VICE doco when they went to Bulgaria and got hold a dirty bomb from some guy who worked construction? They said the bomb blast wouldn't be huge but the effected area would be about the size of Manhattan.

>>128007594
Not really because the US is the one with tech, they can still nuke other people.

>>128007665
>the US is the one with tech
For now

>>128007805
Still keeps them 20 years ahead of Ching Chongs.

>>128002766
wont make too much of a difference I believe; nuclear armed submarines can still go undetected underwater, and launch an attack close enough against a country without any hope of intercepting the nuke. Nuclear deterrence will still work (I hope).

>>128007881
I'm sure one of their spies has already stolen the plans.

>>128002766
>THE US WANTS TO DEFEND ITSELF SO WE SHOULD NUKE THEM INTO OBLIVION

>>128007881
the nips are ~50yrs ahead, they owe their tech renaissance to us. we're way more than 20yrs ahead of ip ignoring sino-ruso degenerates

The thing is not just intercept single target. Anti-ICBM systems are meme because:

1. During ICBM warhead separation on altitude about 120-150km with warheads there's huge cloud of fake targets, debrish and other shit. For ground radar all of them, every fucking bit of tinfoil looks like target. And so imagine - you have about 100-150 targets, and only 6 of them real warheads. And that's only from one missile. And imagine at least 100 ICBMs, then you have thousands of fake targets.

2.Apart of that on final stage modern Russian and Chinese ICBMs can use EW countermeasures.

3.And finally Yars-type missile MIRVs have small titanium flaps and they can maneuver on re-entery. So for example you find real warhead, you calculate its trajectory to intercept that MIRV. But on ~60km altitude MIRV goes "lol jk, my trajectory is 15km higher".

So anti-ICBM is just a meme.

>>128002766
>what are cyberweapons and how do they work
>for further info, please consult Zero Days

>>128008006
this. over the next 20 years, nuclear subs will ensure MAD. but when semi-sentient AI gets developed, all bets will be off. i predict there'll be another space race so a new MAD with sub-orbital weapons will be developed

>>128008333
Exactly. And I see they have been showing off their tech by bombing IS positions from the sea recently.

"we want to be able to threaten you and your allies with nukes, so don't make tech to stop our nukes, ok?"

>>128002766
>the Russians have been banging on about how the deployment of air defense systems won't go unchecked.

Largely because the Russians are operating under the belief that mutually assured destruction is a check against another world war.

In conjunction with sabre rattling, this is an awesome way to make Russia desperate and angry. Why that is a priority, I'm not really sure.

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>>128007595
>Size of Manhattan
>Not huge

Sometimes it's not the quality, but the quantity you have to be afraid of. Every action movie since 1988 had some scenario like this. Take the plot of "Speed" and multiply the bad guy times 10 or 20 thousand, under a universal ideology, dispersed throughout the entirety of the US. The world and its economies would instantly collapse. Also, pic related. It starts with the premise "Why do you yanks need guns and shiet".

If you are not interested in that debate, then just scroll down to Strelok's comments in blue in the last 2 sections. It is spot on accurate, and real world.

>>128008483
We've always said it's not intended to defeat Russia or China. It's for DPRK and their 50 year old tech.

>>128002766
The truth is, the US government has weapons that are 1million fold stronger than nuclear missiles. The US would never show its hand to the enemy

>>128002942
The trick is the cost to efficiency ratio. A missile designed to down an ICBM probably comes at a fraction of the cost. That brand of nuclear deterrence has books and books of theory behind it.

>>128008483

You don't even need plenty of warheads. Just shoot plenty of missiles that separate into hundreds of decoys. It basically becomes the nuclear version of "Do you feel lucky, Punk?", and the price is the world.

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>>128002766
We have been able to do this for years, and check out the mach 10 railguns being put into navy ships

>>128008967
>the US government has weapons that are 1million fold stronger than nuclear missiles

yeah, that weapon is "worldwide degeneracy"

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>>128002766
Aside from this new missile defense system we still have THAAD and Aegis missile defense systems. Plus pic related as a last resort.

We're getting close to adequate missile defense to risk a nuclear exchange. The days of MAD are coming to an end.

I guess Russia still has the S400 to fall back on.

>>128008855
It was more the bomb blast wasn't huge but the radiation would make an area the size of Manhattan unlivable.

If I could legally own a gun I would.

>>128002766
Russia has about 700 launchable ICBM'S. Each ICBM contains about 10 warheads and more than 20 to 30 fake warheads. This would make about 15.000 targets the US has to take down. Nuklear thread will never be off the table.

>>128002766
Why would the US use this system now? There is still profit to be made, when the last oil dries up it's time to nuke the rest of the world, not sooner.

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>>128009337
This new system strikes the missile before the multiple warheads separate. That is why it's a game changer.

We can essentially cut their threat from 15,000 to 700. Plus we have them surrounded.

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>>128003193
Not for close range systems like iron dome.

>>128009337
Give it 5 years, they will be able to detect something in the actual missiles.

>>128009141
Railguns are super-expensive and yet useless toys. With each shot it vaporizes it's own silver-copper rails, and after ~10-20 shots you have to change them.
Damn, you and Soviets had railgun prototypes since late 70s. I have no idea why average american is so ignorant about his own military.

>we have been able to do this for years

and yeah, you may wanna check your target-missile for tests
it's Hera, which is simulates pure ballistic soviet Scud without any countermeasures.

>>128009600
how can they technically locate such missles within 2-3 minutes ? That would only be possible if the defence system is within 500 km from the launching position. Also let it be 700 targets. if only 1% gets through, the world is done

>>128009600
The Russians are fucked, and the Chinese didn't do shit when the US essentially told them they were thinking of invading NK, they just lined the border with troops to stop refugees coming into China.

>>128009195
Why are you still talking about Russia as if they were your enemy.

>>128009625
soon the New Start contract expires. After this Russia or the US can have much launchable weapons as the want.

>>128002766

1. It's much easier to iterate ICBM systems than it is for their defensive counterparts to keep up.

2. Margin of error. If the enemy launches thousands of missiles and you fail to intercept even 1% of them, you are looking at some pretty massive damage.

>>128002766
no need to launch missiles when you can have them at ground zero already

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>>128002766
Doomsday Devices are a better deterrent anyways. Can't intercept fallout.

>>128009939

In terms of opposition to complete US hegemony, they kind of are, along with China. All the satellite states supported by these countries would be knocked over pretty easily without patronage.

>>128002766
Wouldn't it be a good idea to mount ICBM interceptor interceptors to your ICBMs?

>>128003331
What are drones? For 200 Alex

>>128009195
THAAD and Aegis are different things, m8. THAAD is for shooting down close-range ICBMs like Scuds, Scarabs and other tactical shit.
Aegis is computer system, it's not shooting anything. It calculate trajectories of cruise and anti-ship missiles against carrier groups. The weapon of Aegis is SM-3 missiles.

>gif
we both know that CIWS against MIRVs is a fucking joke, right?

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>>128009939
WW3 is going to happen eventually. It's inevitable. I'd rather it be when the country im in has a distinct advantage. Let's get it over with already.

>>128003193
>what is sonar

>>128010415
>thinks he can survive a nuclear winter
yea buddy

>>128009195
see >>128008483

>>128010302
Check mate.

>>128010487
He probably patrols the Mojave

>>128010483
Sonar (originally an acronym for SOund Navigation And Ranging) is a technique that uses sound propagation (usually underwater, as in submarine navigation) to navigate, communicate with or detect objects on or under the surface of the water, such as other vessels.

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>>128010487
>>128010730
Lurking /pol/ too long almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.

The world is rotten. Let's just end it already.

>>128002766
GBI program is 20 years old and it's about 50% success rate against single targets

with proper funding and r&d this is doable but until now there's clearly a lack of both

to me it seems a distraction from the real thing which is shipborne SM series missiles. they would be cheaper to field and potentially more effective to use and US is theoretically able to deploy them covertly which is very important.

So maybe 10-20 years left until Russia and China will be turned into nuclear wasteland?

>>128009600
>This new system strikes the missile before the multiple warheads separate.
>implying that system has more 100km range

kekd
For example if ICBM was launched from Kapustin Yar launch site through northen pole, separation of that shit will be still over Russia.
That's why all launch sites are built as far as possible from borders and oceans - just to prevent destroying ICBM on launch stage.

>Plus we have them surrounded.

The whole point of "encirclement" with bases not to intercept russian ICBMs. US missile containers for close-range nukes and for anti-air missiles exactly the same.
That's why Russia's is developing AI-systems such as Perimetr or "Dead Hand", or Status-6 ("Kanyon"). Just to ensure that even if whole Russia will be completely nuked, AI systems can detonate all that nukes left and destroy the rest of humanity, lol.
Jews have same shit with their Samson Option, but in local scale of Middle East.

>>128010487
Nuclear winter isn't scientific. It was a myth spread by KGB/GRU to discourage the deployment of Class II Pershing missiles in Europe. It might be real, but it's not scientifically verified.

>>128010986
LOL WAR, WAR NEVER CHANGES ROFLMAO!! LE EPIC VIDEO GAME REFERENCE!! TUNNEL SNAKES RULE AMIRITE?????

>>128011085
won't be nuclear
conventional decapitating strike is USAF wet dream and they theoretically have the funding to do it in that time

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>>128002766
intercept this
x30

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>>128002766
>I don't think enough attention is being brought to this, the US are landing their air defense systems everywhere now, and the Russians have been banging on about how the deployment of air defense systems won't go unchecked.
Fuck Russia and anyone against air missile defense systems. They aren't weapons.

the defense systems are no threat to anyone or any citizen of any nation.

It would be like if the police got angry that people are able to buy bullet proof vests. Go get fucked.

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>>128005504
>>128011133
>>128010991
Yeah, I can't imagine this is actually about Russia or China's massive nuclear arsenals

But imagine if some fuckhead in North Korea or Iran pushed the big red button and shot their entire arsenal of 10 ICBMs at the US, which were then immediately shot down.

What the fuck would even happen next?

gif related

>>128011133
That's pretty badass taking the whole world with you if you got taken out.

>>128004926
Incorrect. SLBMs can be fired on depressed trajectories and still have MIRVs

>>128005504
They are limited to total number of warheads.

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>>128011211
>tunnel snakes
Crucify yourself.

>>128002766
Tbqph famalamadingdong, the most important targets would be overseas bases and aircraft carriers that could be hit with smaller, faster, less detectable tactical nukes.
But nobody is ever gunna fucking nuke the US.

>>128011321
Do you understand whole conception of MAD? There will be no war until both sides can BTFO each other.

>>128009148
Codename "Hollywood"

>>128011321
a friendly reminder that the first Anti-ICBM system was built by the soviets and back then you didn't hear Americans defend it as "it's non-offensive"

there was a rationale behind limiting those with ABM treaty back then, and there is now. Nothing fundamental has changed

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>>128002766
Remind me again why DRPK and Russia are a threat again?

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>>128010302
>>128010529

This would work right? Have Putin call me. I'm sure we can work something out.

>>128011258
They're so beautiful!

I shall call them Washington, Detroit, Chicago, LA, San Fran, New York, Kalkaska, Miami, Cleveland, and Houston.

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>>128011386
>China's massive nuclear arsenals

>>128008483
>1. During ICBM warhead separation on altitude about 120-150km with warheads there's huge cloud of fake targets, debrish and other shit. For ground radar all of them, every fucking bit of tinfoil looks like target. And so imagine - you have about 100-150 targets, and only 6 of them real warheads. And that's only from one missile. And imagine at least 100 ICBMs, then you have thousands of fake targets.
BMD uses MSI and other methods to distinguish real targets from decoys and debris.

>2.Apart of that on final stage modern Russian and Chinese ICBMs can use EW countermeasures.
Terminal guidance is passive, EW would have no effect.

>3.And finally Yars-type missile MIRVs have small titanium flaps and they can maneuver on re-entery. So for example you find real warhead, you calculate its trajectory to intercept that MIRV. But on ~60km altitude MIRV goes "lol jk, my trajectory is 15km higher".
The US was intercepting maneuverable reentry vehicles in the early 1970's.

>>128011571
You don't need MAD if one side can defend itself while the other could get nuked to oblivion.

The outcome is the same, no one shoots off a nuke. Do YOU understand?

>>128002766
This ignore's submarine's. The Chinese and Russians have proven they're able to get subs past US naval defenses.

However, this does still change the game, allows the US to effectively contain Russia & China, and reduces the legitimacy of MAD.

>>128011687
North Korea are unbelievable fuck sticks. They've basically threatened to kill everyone on Earth multiple times. There is no other country that talks as much shit as they do, it's bizarre.

For real even when the United States is getting ready to invade a country the press releases still say "We are very concerned with these developments and intend to respond effectively to the situation" while every North Korean comminque for the last half fucking century has been "THE DAY OF RETRIBUTION IS AT HAND THE AMERICANS AND THE JAPANESE AND THE MALAYSIANS AND ALSO POSSIBLY THE CHINESE FOR SOME REASON WILL BE PURGED BY HOLY FIRE"

>>128002766
>We're so cucked we shoot black cocks into space

WHAT AN ERA

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>>128011649
>>128011571
Further, if Russia for example used nearly every nuke they had on America and America shot nothing in return, Russia would still fall.

Why? Nuclear fallout would eventually sweep around the globe and end up killing you off too.

MAD even works one way. You use nukes, you lose. Pic related, you slavic degenerates know how radiation works.

>>128011133
>That's why Russia's is developing AI-systems such as Perimetr or "Dead Hand", or Status-6 ("Kanyon").
Perimeter is a communications system.
http://russianforces.org/blog/2006/04/dr_strangelove_meets_reality.shtml

>Here is a copy of an internal Central Committee document from 1985,
>The Soviet Union never built this automatic Doomsday Machine (also known as Dead Hand) -- the Perimeter communication system that is often mistaken for it is something quite different.

Perimeter is similar to the US ERCS

Status-6 doesn't exist.

>>128011696
You think Putin doesn't hang out on /pol/ waiting for these exact moments? They will have it developed within the month.

>>128002766
not if jews have anything to say about it


>more and more Israelis were coming to regard the 'transfer' of the Palestinians as the only salvation; resort to it was growing 'more probable' with each passing day. Ariel Sharon 'wants to escalate the conflict and knows that nothing else will succeed'.

But would the world permit such ethnic cleansing? 'That depends on who does it and how quickly it happens. We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.'

>>128011386
>What the fuck would even happen next?

That's why Putin and Rouhani asks US to cooperate and exchange with info about those "anti-ICBM" programs.
Because for Russia or China that launch will look like start of WW3. Is that false-flag? Or maybe that's high-altitude nukes to shut down any radio comunications on half of planet.

That's why all members of nuclear club have to unite against non-nuclear plebs.

>>128012031
>Nuclear fallout

The 7:10 Rule of Thumb states that for every 7-fold increase in time after detonation, there is a 10-fold decrease in the exposure rate. In other words, when the amount of time is multiplied by 7, the exposure rate is divided by 10. For example, let's say that 2 hours after detonation the exposure rate is 400 R/hr. After 14 hours, the exposure rate will be 1/10 as much, or 40 R/hr.

>>128011705
>Washington
that name is reserved for decoy warhead

>>128002766
>the nuclear threat from other countries is now nullified?

tfw you run into someone who doesn't know what a suitcase is.

>>128011649
>>128011571
BTW I think America should share it's missile defense system with Russia. It would render the weapons obsolete and that's a good fucking thing.

This isn't the 1980s or 50s. Humanity doesn't need a threat to it's existence due to dickheads in office like Putin, Trump or Un.

>>128002766
So, they can intercept one missile, maybe ten. But what about a fuckton of them simultaneously?
This stuff is used only in full blown total war, and in full scale wars there will be more than just a few missiles flying around.
This means that there will be even more damage, both collateral and direct. US makes more defensive missiles? Everyone else will make more also.
Every superpower will try to one up each other right until shit hits the fan. Escalation like this never leads to anything good.

>>128012319
The US offered to bring Russia into the European Missile Defense system in the late 1990s or early 2000's.
They refused.

>>128011755
Are you retarded or what? If you have defence, and I don't have it, then you can nuke my shit, and intercept my second strike.
As result I'm pile of fucking ash and you're still watching tv and eating burgers.

>>128012416
The use case of this is for rogue states that might sperg out and release a handful of missiles

Thing is, if you wanted to, really really wanted to and were willing to pay for it, you could come up with systems that would completely obliterate current nuke delivery mechanisms. But you don't want to, because it'd be expensive as fuck to develop and maintain, and it would be a giant red flag to the other side telling them "shit is escalating, time to catch up or you're going to burn in atomic fire". And soon thereafter, your expensive toys would be defending against technology that had been deprecated in favor of new technology that could not be defended against. So you thread the line between just good enough to do the job but not good enough to spur the other side into developing too much.

>>128010815
....
That went over your head anon.

>>128002766
After a long string of failures one canned test worked.
The game is canned hunt on the taxpayer.
There is no way to cover every path on hundreds of ICBMS, except sacrificing the whole economy to MIC - which would be perfect.
Draining the live force out of the US zombie would be the preferred final solution anyway.

>>128012319
>sharing weapons systems would bring about world peace
You're delusional. One side would just improve the technology to take out the other. Everyone wants to be on top.

>>128002766
Soviets still have the ability to saturate a target. MIRVs were designed for this. This defense nullifies low-tech countries or rogue states that could only afford to launch one or two warheads.

>>128011754
What he said is true for current tech it's a lot cheaper and easier to just spam decoys. I don't see nuclear war tactics really changing until lasers and space delivery systems are more advanced

>>128012542
The Missile Defenses of the US have hit 75 of 92 Hit to Kill successes since 2001.

THAAD, AEGIS, and GMD combine for 50 out of 63.

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>>128012224
It would still devastate the world if we had a full out nuclear attack.

Shitting blood and dying of cancer isn't a good thing even if many end up surviving long term.
>>128012419
I don't fucking doubt that. Putin and his minions are Cold War throwbacks. They want the power they had during the Soviet Union and it's embarrassing that Russia let these dickheads back into power. They want to isolate and dominate their own people. That's why their elections are a fucking farce.

Pic related. If America does have political assassinations (we probably do) at least we aren't so gauche or arrogant about it.

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>>128012654
Like this one that our military is just about to employ?

>>128012419
[citation needed]

>>128012533
>If you have defence, and I don't have it, then you can nuke my shit, and intercept my second strike.
>As result I'm pile of fucking ash and you're still watching tv and eating burgers.
We aren't Russians so we wouldn't do that. We've used nukes so we know what they can do.

MAD still works one side. Nukes are awful weapons. The Russian government uses MAD to dominate and terrorize its own people, not to play international politics.

>>128012873
>It would still devastate the world if we had a full out nuclear attack.
Fallout New Vegas is not a good source for weapons effects information.

The Fallout would not blanket the world. It would precipitate out pretter rapidly. While overall background radiation would increase, it would be nowhere near the apocalyptic scenario you are describing.
It would be nowhere near intense enough to give people across the globe ARS

>>128012898
Big difference between a rocket 1.5 km away and a bunch of warheads re entering the upper atmosphere

>>128012566
>You're delusional. One side would just improve the technology to take out the other. Everyone wants to be on top.
Then MAD wouldn't be a thing. Missile defense systems aren't weapons anyway.

>>128002766
The US hasn't won a war in living memory.
This is how the zombie goes down, investing limited resources in a chimerical invincibility.

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>>128011529
>noodles added

>>128012982
http://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.4.0603/full/

>he US has invited Russia to take part in deploying the interceptor system meant to shield NATO countries from potential missile attacks from the Middle East.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/05/our_missile_defense_system_in_europe_is_making_russia_nervous_should_it.html

>These officials have offered to share all technical data with the Russians; in fact, they’ve offered to give Russian officers access to the missile defense radar station—to let them use it to help protect their own country from a missile attack. But so far the Russians have ignored the offers.


I can go on.

>>128012419
That's illegal.

We weren't even allowed to offer failsafe systems like the Permissive Action Link to them thanks to NPT and had to publish how they work in science journals.

>>128013537
>That's illegal.
You are incorrect.

>>128002942
>If one gets thru to a place like Chicago
If I was President, I would pay other countries to nuke Chicago.

>>128002942
We're gonna build thousands of these systems over the next half decade, shit could serve as Trump's infrastructure promise. They will be able to take out all 30 of the Chinese missiles, add to that a more stable relationship with the mongoloids and perhaps technology to protect from an EMP and we're good

>>128004926
The soviets don't have those, and chinks are at least 50 years behind

>>128011705
>Kalkaska

Wut?

>>128002942
And then you get nuked back with zero ability to stop it. Nuclear war is winnable now and that's trouble for all of us.

>>128004381
Ten successful nuclear strikes against your nation is acceptable loss... It's a calamity, but it is manageable. The Russians would be reduced to living in the metro and battling mutants by the end of the exchange while a few silos and airbase are maybe destroyed.

>>128013185
Nobody on Earth has won or lost a war since the Six Day War, and that was the only convincing victory any country has had since World War II

>>128009217
You can. New Zealand gun laws are some of the best in the world and it isn't difficult or prohibitively expensive to get an AR-15 with a sensible magazine capacity.

Both US and Soviets had operational ABM systems in past.
This is nothing new. As this Russian above explained, stopping Russian or even Chinese attack is impossible.

>>128015300
Unfortunately I am from the UK, i'm here on a visa.

>>128015427
That's what they want you to think.

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>>128002766
>what is a saturation attack

Since both Russia and the US have primitive intercept systems, shouldn't we work together to create advanced and effective intercept systems so that both of us can neutralize deployed warheads of any country? Seems like that would go a long way in preventing nuclear armageddon.

>>128002766
nuclear threat is kind of like aids, isn't?
like you know theres a cure, but it doesn't get introduced because muh profits

>>128014620
Except it wouldn't be ten. It would be hundreds of warheads near population centers.
America as we know it would be gone even if 10 warheads struck, for that matter. You have no idea how fragile is modern world.

>>128015728
No, that's what some basic knowledge and logic dictates.
You can intercept a warhead? Cool. Except one missiles can carry dozens of them, as well as penetration aids.
Defense is several magnitudes more expensive than offense in this case. Even if you pooled all defense budgets on the world you wouldn't be able to build an ABM system to protect you against Chinese attack.

>>128002766

Keep in mind the shit you see a press release about now, we had prototyped in underground labs 40 years ago.

>>128012533
Bloody brilliant, innit?

>>128015966
>like aids, isn't?
>like you know theres a cure, but it doesn't get introduced because muh profits

Yes, junkies that cant afford medicare are vastly beneficial for the med companies you idiot

>>128016265
Like I say, 5 or so years and the nuclear threat will be minimal.

>>128016268
Yeah, that's bullshit my friend. Secret projects do exist, but it's nothing like that. And information leaks out surprisingly quick even for top secret projects.
And the more complex it is, the more people you have to involve, the more money you have to spend, and the chance of leaks increases.

>>128016452
You can say whatever you want buddy, but that's just your fantasy because you don't understand how these things work.

>>128016414
>implying pharmaceutical companies don't profit from AIDs medication
the only big business, bigger than oil, is the pharmaceutical business.
Twat
kys

>>128013069
If you have the ability to strike with impunity against a nuclear armed opponent with your own atomic weapons, you wouldn't need to deploy these weapons all at once. You could very well take your fucking time... Five nukes dropped on nuclear silos, sub bases and air fields on Tuesday... Call Putin on the red phone immediately and determine whether or not he feels lucky. Repeat ad infinitum until they surrender.

You wouldn't even need to use a hundred of the pieces of shit before they caved. Also, MAD assumes ground bursts which churn soil and ash into the atmosphere. Air bursts are more effective and cleaner.

>>128016063
Just detonate it in the atmosphere and create an EMP. This'll take out every power station in the country and about 90% of people would die over the next few years

>>128003980

A single nuke over Chicago's south side is actually a vast improvement in the neighborhood. Though we'll miss real Robert hours.

>>128016063
Horse shit.

>>128015611
Get your shotgun license when you get home or become a citizen of New Zealand.

>>128015966
No, it's a simple prisoner's dilemma. All parties involved know they can't be sure promises of nonproliferation will be kept, so the rational thing to do is to stockpile nukes themself. Even if the end result is deeply undesirable.

>>128016945
Nuclear war will be all out panic. It wouldn't be slow and thoughtful. I just don't see someone casually using these weapons, even one as a deterrent. The world would flip their shit whoever used them.

That's why MAD and even one-sided with a defense system works. Using nuclear weapons is like two people fighting with grenades in a small concrete room.

>>128002766

useless, russkies can simply nuke the north atlantic and cause a gigantic tsunami which would eat the coasts of USA where most of industrial places located

>>128017406
I probably will get a single shot shotgun when I get back, I think that's pretty much all you can get, although I have a drink drive ban from years ago that might effect it. Also immigration won't let me stay because I lied to them about things.

>>128002766
>my country saves me from an ICBM
>don't even hear about it until some aussie makes a thread about it on 9gag
Dude that's pretty cool bro tell me More dog

>>128002766
>128002766

>what is a suitcase bomb?

>>128017500
There are plans already in place for these events. One for one nuclear retaliation is on the table, limited nuclear war tactics exist, since we're speculating, I think a full exchange is just as likely as the others... And I think an effective counter ICBM system really does place the ball in the court of whomever controls them.

>>128017628
I think the limit is three rounds... You could get a pump action with that limit and it'll do the trick. It's probably easy as fuck to modify it to accept more, if it ever became necessary.

nuclear weapons can be delivered in other ways than icbms. but really, the us military is fucking stupid for trying to get rid of the only thing stopping global wars

>>128002766
>Black dick on left.

>White dick on right.

Aussie does it again. Truly a meta shitpost.

>>128017600
>roach intellectuals

>>128017918
It's just something to point at someone if they break into your house mostly. I think there should be slacker laws in the UK if someone breaks into your house, i think you should be able to kill them as soon as they enter to do harm.

>>128016265
You don't have to.

All you have to do is make them account for the possibility of a warhead getting intercepted.
When you target something, you account for the survivability of the system, its reliability, it ability to destroy a given target, and its ability to penetrate defences. This gives you the probability that a single warhead will destroy what you are aiming at.
This is called the Warhead Lethality Score.

If your WLS doesn't give you a high enough probability that your target will be destroyed, you add another.

So lets say that you have 1500 warheads. (This is the limit that NewSTART lays out).
Most people think that with those 1500 warheads you can hit 1500 targets. The reality is that most targets will be hit with at least two warheads to ensure the destruction of the target.
So thats 750 warheads.

But then your enemy builds an ABM system. Lets say its not very effective. It has only a .01 pk against a given attacking warhead. But when you factor that into your WLS, you find that 1/3rd of your targets drop below the threshold your attack option needs.

Your arsenal can now only hit 500 targets (or so). Your enemy has effectively reduced your arsenals effectiveness. As he builds more interceptors, or they become more effective, your arsenal becomes less and less capable even though you still have the same number of warheads, the number of targets keeps getting smaller and smaller. Not because he can shoot them down, but because you have to divert more and more warheads to maintain your WLS.

>>128002766

It won't last. White people will be mostly gone by 2100. Once there aren't any whites around, these weapon systems will degrade and stop working. Jews will think they have won, and then some Muslim savages will get their hands on our ailing nuclear arsenal. They'll launch just enough nukes to cause nuclear winter and wipe out the human race.

I hope I live long enough to see it. The last thing I want to see is a nuclear blast wave coming straight for me as I sip a glass of whiskey in the gay area of San Francisco...Knowing that millions of degenerate scum have just been evaporated in nuclear fire would bring me the only joy I may ever know in this life.

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>>128005456
The original designs were destroyed after producing all the missiles though...

>>128002766
>that the nuclear threat from other countries is now nullified

The nuclear threat has been over since hiroshima. Nukes will never again be used in warfare.

>>128017760
>One for one nuclear retaliation is on the table, limited nuclear war tactics exist, since we're speculating, I think a full exchange is just as likely as the others...
The reason why I disagree is the fact that we haven't used these weapons despite lots of wars since Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It just has never occurred to anyone to use these weapons piecemeal since they have so much long lasting destructive power. To raise the level to the point where we would use them would be overboard to begin with.

One nuclear weapons used would we a world-wide nuclear holocaust scenario immediately thereafter.

>>128018606
>The nuclear threat has been over since hiroshima. Nukes will never again be used in warfare.
Well, except maybe once more, then yes, never ever again, lol.

>>128002766
Israel has been intercepting icbms since 1994

>>128018663
>>128018765
I told you this already, but movies and video games are not good sources for weapons effects information.

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>>128018454
>As he builds more interceptors,
And bankrupting after few months, because we all know how expensive US milittary stuff, especially "muh future-tech"

>>128018933

why would anyone risk using nuclear weapons at this point?

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>>128010986
>The world is rotten. Let's just end it already.
Are you saying that this twisted game needs to be reset?

>>128002942
>Chicago

One can only hope..

No because all it takes is one to hit. Throw out a thousand and if you hit 5 on major cities it's still a massive chunk of their population gone and their economy in ruins. No one wins a nuclear war.

>>128018933
You're discounting mass casualties, radiation no-go zones being whole cities and the utter destruction of the national infrastructure. So yeah, it won't be like a video game, it'll be much much worse. Surviving a nuclear war would be utter and complete hell.

Riots of irradiated, sick starving armed Americans in crippled cities on a national scale sounds pretty fucking bad. You won't be "going back to work" and everything being normal, dipshit.

>>128012898

Good thing it was attached to a string.

>>128002766
>US has now successfully intercepted a ICBM

I wonder what all these ballistic missile shields until now where doing if this overhyped litterally nothing test is so much of a gamechanger...

>>128002766
You can easily overwhelm the system by launching hundreds of decoys at the same damn time. Only one is carrying the goodies. Figuring it out shouldn't be that difficult.

>>128007805
Yeah the U.K. is right behind us! Move over, burgers!

>>128018954
>Russians understanding how capitalism works
Anon, we'd go bankrupt if we stopped military spending at this point.

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>>128002766
ITT: Real Americans

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>>128018218

>never hold a gun in his life
>never went to military
>obese
>neet
>no clue on nuclear physics
>larping as a military expert

those threads are hilarious cuz of clueless retards like you lel. here is my last post ITT, enjoy spoonfeeding

>>128019407
You're discounting AI development in these attacks. Eventually, it'll be practically impossible to launch a missile and have it hit its target.

>>128019404
the other kind intercept at the terminal stage like THAAD or use nuclear explosions to destroy other nukes.

this is a direct-hit on an ICBM with no nuclear explosions at all

>>128002942
FPBP

>>128002766
And how does it fair against an MIRV delivery system?

Oh yeah, it fails completely. Meanwhile we actually have a working laser weapon that has fried missiles and drones and is currently being made bigger to be tested against nukes to fry the circuitry and fuel tank to make them fail, and the fun thing about laser weapons is that they travel faster than missiles, which means a higher successful hit rate.

We will enter an age where nuclear missiles are rendered completely useless. Hell all missiles and drones and aircraft will be useless.

>>128019765
Good point. The new war has a cyber war side to it. The US got this, then.

>>128002766
How do you stop short-range SLBMs from undetected subs? You don't.

>>128019856
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar

>>128019075
Because they believe that using them is preferable to the alternative. Valentin Savitsky believed that was the best course of action and if not for one person, would have used a nuclear weapon against US naval forces.

A nuclear war wont happen on purpose. It will happen on accident, after a series of errors and miscalculations.

>>128018954
Beteeen 1985 and this year, the US has spent 6 billion dollars a year on missile defense. Netflix will spend that this year in making movies. You really think that quadrupling that would strain the US budget?

>>128019305
>radiation no-go zones being whole cities and the utter destruction of the national infrastructure. So yeah, it won't be like a video game, it'll be much much worse. Surviving a nuclear war would be utter and complete hell.
I was wondering what you have read that gave you such a distorted view of this topic.
Many errors in your post, the most egregious of them is your assumptions about radiation, which I have already explained why you are wrong about it.

>The 7:10 Rule of Thumb states that for every 7-fold increase in time after detonation, there is a 10-fold decrease in the exposure rate. In other words, when the amount of time is multiplied by 7, the exposure rate is divided by 10. For example, let's say that 2 hours after detonation the exposure rate is 400 R/hr. After 14 hours, the exposure rate will be 1/10 as much, or 40 R/hr.

There wont be high enough levels of radiation all over the world to cause ARS.
There wont even be enough to cause it in the US. In your scenario, where all the US cities are targeted, you would see even less fallout.
See, cities are destroyed by airbursts. Airbursts don't really produce much fallout.

>>128003424
You can launch an SLMB to effectively reach target while staying below radar during its entire flight. See: cruise missiles.

>>128019856
>We will enter an age where nuclear missiles are rendered completely useless. Hell all missiles and drones and aircraft will be useless.
I have a saying:
"Technology giveth, and technology taketh away."

>>128020419
SLBMs are not cruise missiles.
DT shots still fly high enough to be detected by radars.
Russian SSBN patrols and readiness are still pretty low.

>>128020311
>nuclear attacks would be fun kids!
You still ignored everything I said about destroyed infrastructure, panic, disease, riots, etc.

>>128010351
more than just SM-3s
Also he wasn't wrong. Aegis ships can also do BMD.

>>128007595
They're full of shit and the things they say shouldn't be taken as an ounce of truth.

Seriously, don't trust sensationalist clickbait rags like vice.

Dirty bombs do nothing. You might see a few cancer cases in a few years. Immediate effects of radiation poisoning in anyone who got radioactive particles embedded in them, but we're talking about casualties significantly less than a basic chemical weapon attack, and mustard gas is easier to make than radioactive material is to acquire.

>>128020674
>You still ignored everything I said about destroyed infrastructure, panic, disease, riots, etc.
I didn't say it would be fun. Why would you lie and try to put words in my mouth?

I didn't address your other issues because they largely go beyond the scope of a thread on 4chan.

I pointed out your ignorance in the radiological effects to demonstrate to others who might hold the same opinion as you that perhaps they should examine some actual data on the issue, rather than making assumptions based off pop culture, as you have.

>>128020311
Also, you're ignoring what people will do in a nuclear attack.

Lets say a bomb was dropped on a place like New York. You're expecting people to jump into a fortified bunker, with a sophisticated air filtration system, clear water and food where they could subsist for months while the radiation cools off. No.

People would wander, fight, riot, drink dirty water, look for friends and family, clean up rubble and in general and be exposed to all of that radiation.

In the first few hours after the attack, expect everyone to be out and about. It's how people are.

>>128002766
nah this just shifts attack capability from icbms towards hyper sonic cruise missiles.

>>128020259
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/dragonfire-new-british-laser-weapon/
>>128020487
Technology will continue to advance to the point where humanity is rendered useless and not needed anymore.
>>128020419
>>128020572
SLBM's have onboard circuitry, they have a fuel tank and they are slower than a laser weapon that can heat its fuel tank up and fry its guidance system/other electronics.

Again, all nuclear missiles will be rendered useless within our lifetimes. It's not "if" it's not a question, they will be. We will enter the age of energy weapons, nano weapons for mass disease spreading/single target assassinations.

A rare material called Panguite will also revolutionise space travel because of its ability to withstand incredibly high temperatures for the future mission to touch the sun.

We golden age now.

>>128021054
>I didn't address your other issues because they largely go beyond the scope of a thread on 4chan.
lol, I disagree, in fact I clearly and easily stated them. Maybe it's too much for you.

>>128021311
>Technology will continue to advance to the point where humanity is rendered useless and not needed anymore.
naw, that's not what technology does.

Our greatest enemy is the Malthusian Trap. If we beat that, we'll be better than good.

>>128002766
live in midwest where even if the largest closest city was hit the fallout wouldn't reach me.

have land and stocked up on guns and ammo. hope you guys have fun with the nuclear apocalypse.

>>128021293
>months
Again, you are posting out of ignorance.
1) Airbursts produce little fallout.
2) 7/10 rule means that even in places that are downwind of a surface burst, they would need shelter for a few days or weeks at the most. The idea that they would need to stay down for months is not true.

It is clear you have no education in this matter.

>>128010311
>>128003119
You would have to completely infiltrate air traffic control which is an international and private affair, and you would also be committing a massive warcrime which would result in you getting the ever loving shit nuked out of you preemptively were you to be found out.

If you're going the nuke route shit has already hit the fan, the risk does not outweigh the benefit considering even in a best case scenario, the chance of them not figuring out (or panicking and nuking because it's probably you who needs proof we just got nuked) you did it is essentially zilch.

>>128021489
Food is a problem for sustainability, our global population is too high, but I was more hinting at AI, as we advance it it will see humans in one of three ways.

An ally, a threat or a waste of resources. A global war or culling is inevitable to sustain ourselves. Where this culling takes place I do not know but it will happen, maybe not in my life time or maybe it will be but a culling is a coming!

>>128021378
No, I just don't go in depth with people who have no idea what they are talking about when it is so easy to display their ignorance without needing depth.

>>128002766
>So seems the US has now successfully intercepted a ICBM, does does that pretty much mean that in a few years once they have properly developed it that the nuclear threat from other countries is now nullified?
No. The type of missile defense being tested here doubtfully would be able to successfully defend against an all out attack from a technologically sophisticated enemy. Basically this is just security theater meant to send a message to North Korea.

>>128002942
It just changes the delivery tactic from a ballistic missile to a dirty bomb.

>>128011321
>Fuck Russia and anyone against air missile defense systems. They aren't weapons.

Any anti-icbm weapon can be equipped with a nuclear warhead as well.

There is nothing stopping "anti-ballistic" missiles from being nukes.

You've fallen for yet another media propaganda tactic - calling your offensive weapons defensive in nature. When the US rings a country with "defensive" missiles to shoot down nukes, what they've actually done is surrounded that country with a bunch of nuclear capable missiles, right on their borders.

I guess most americans are still too stupid to see reality for what it is here. The mind control of western media is incredible.

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>>128021793
Most of the globe is well under carrying capacity, it's just that Africa, India and China are grossly overpopulated.

Almost all of the global population increase has come out of Africa and India, and Africa only grows because of food aid.
At this point you'd have to be LITERALLY and I do mean LITERALLY Hitler to stop food aid to Africa, because they're about 800,000,000 over carrying capacity in the most flattering estimates, and the violence caused by the lack of food combined with the mass famine would most certainly result in over a billion deaths.

>>128022144
That is what I'm talking about, India and China but they won't be culled will they?

It will be whitey that gets culled, because whitey evil devil ooga boog praise YAHWEH!

But I agree, the conditioned aid packages we send over to them has basically encouraged them to breed, spread disease and so on. It has to stop but it won't because DAS WACISSSS!

I want a culling, we need one, fuck the filth on this Earth. Science shall rein supreme!

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>>128022107
>There is nothing stopping "anti-ballistic" missiles from being nukes.
Yes there is you dumbass. These anti missile missiles are small and lightweight and don't have much fuel. They hit these missiles because they intercept them over a short distance where they go full sanic. These things cannot carrying large warheads at all, they wouldn't even make for a decent cruise missile, their warheads are only large enough to destroy or disrupt the incoming missile itself. I doubt they'd be able to destroy any hardened target. Most of the damage they'd be doing would be from their kinetic energy not their payload.

>>128022107
That is pretty clever. I'd rather them be surrounded by nukes than be surrounded by Russian and Chinese nukes.

>>128011696
interceptorception... it's interceptors all the way down

>>128022436
China's population is stable, even decreasing.
I'd say they are still over carry capacity if we take first world living standards into account, but there's a reason over half of China lives in a pseudo late medieval style life.

>>128022484
Yes, I agree, however it's easily understandable why they don't like it.

Unfortunately, most americans are fucking retarded >>128022476

>>128021531
don't retreat into your basement if a nuclear attack happens, go to work and keep the war machine and economy turning.

that said, it's good to have large food and water stores for general disaster preparedness.

>>128022753
Day of the Rake soon

>>128021793
>Food is a problem for sustainability, our global population is too high, but I was more hinting at AI, as we advance it it will see humans in one of three ways.
We produce enough food for everyone on Earth. We have a distribution problem. AI will fix this.
> A global war or culling is inevitable to sustain ourselves.
lol, no. We just need birth control and abortion, especially in developing countries. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are a threat to this and no I'm not being a fedora about this. We have Christian groups going to Africa telling them abortion and birth control are evil and helping them to change their laws to make these things illegal.

>>128022660
Too many, India, Africa, China, the "Stan" countries all need to be culled. Latin America can have some culling treatment as well. Germany can be added to the list (it lost its right to exist when it betrayed Europe again, third strike and all that).

Now what is your opinion on near light speed weapons or asteroid/meteor based weapons?

>>128022107
Why the fuck would they make a anti-ICBM missile nuclear? That would be chaos.

Calling everyone stupid is a clear sign that you are the fucking stupid one.

anti-ICBM systems aren't weapons like bullet proof vests aren't weapons.

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>>128022868
No, we need the culling. Too many people, you also don't take into account that food goes off, can become tainted, crop failure, industry collapse and various other things. We can sustain ourselves currently because we have workers constantly working on it and cultivating food.

When the majority of those workers get wiped out then you rely on stockpiles. Those are not enough to sustain. Picture related, all the documentation you need to help you decide who dies.

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>>128022753
Seriously, we need to wipe out these frenchy Marxist syrup niggers. Leaf holocaust NOW.

>>128010415
you didn't invent shit, you stole rocket technology from nazis. and your nuclear-scientists were partly europeans.

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>>128009195
>We're getting close to adequate missile defense to risk a nuclear exchange.
>mfw amerishits have conventional army that costs like all armies in the world combined, but they still prefer to get vaporized by a nuke rather than risk getting drafted and receiving an emotional trauma

>>128023466
People don't live that long anon. If you cut the birth rate, population rates plummet pretty quickly.

If Africa went from 10 babies a woman to 1 we'd see a quick decline in population in a matter of decades.

Less babies means less mothers the next generation. Further, old women can't have babies. It's a downward spiral that would need to be managed carefully.

>>128023562
They've invented more in a day then your junkyard shameful country has in its entire history.

Go invent something, you chinks are supposed to be smart with mathematics.
>>128023617
>mfw gopniks are literally stealing nuclear material from run down silo sites in Russia and selling it to towel heads in Chechnya.

I have no face for that I'm afraid.

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>>128023466
Wait until these skyscraper farms take off. It's going to be awesome, fresh and cheap food everyone.

>>128023617
>mfw amerishits have conventional army that costs like all armies in the world combined, but they still prefer to get vaporized by a nuke rather than risk getting drafted and receiving an emotional trauma
pfft, you're Russian. Trauma, misery and fetal alcohol syndrome is a way of life for you people.

>>128018533
Top kek, now some 12 year old chink is gonna starve because he cant lift the missile plans

>>128023785>>128023984
So I did some calculations for you.

Lets take an 800 kiloton surface burst.
The 1000 R/hr fallout zone is about 830 km2 and is the most intense fallout area.
The people in this zone would have to stay in shelter for 14 days before it was safe to take short trips outside.


The next largest zone is between 75-500 R/hr. This zone is about 6200 Km2
These people would need to shelter for between 2-8 days.

I can't really find anywhere close to people needing to shelter for months.

>>128023832
Those aren't economically viable. No.

>>128023785
Artificial wombs need to be made, Japan needs to hurry up with that. The CRISPR mechanism for genetic altering needs the red tape and morals removed so we can create a race of superior beings.

Too many feely wheelies involved currently. But again, for sustainability for a population to thrive and continue on to rebuild, stockpiles even with what you have proposed wouldn't be enough to sustain more than 2 generations if we have 100 million people left.

We must do more!

>>128024135
They'll do it with mirrors. You heard it here first.

>>128024093
>I can't really find anywhere close to people needing to shelter for months.
Fine, but people won't shelter at all. You're acting like people would understand what was going on. They would be outside, rioting, looting and eating and drinking contaminated food.

Add cholera, dysentery due to no sewage systems or clean water and bodies everywhere.

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>>128023818
angry birds, NOKIA 3310, Sibelius, and these are only few examples. We even crushed Soviet Russian army during ww2, so there u go.

Can t stop the nukes from the submarines , not enough time. So i expect russia to start building nuclear submarines

>>128024161
>Artificial wombs need to be made
lol, no. No one "needs" artificial wombs" to help with our population problem. There are too many natural wombs in commission.
>>128024308
>Farmer Joe plants in dirt and grows his vegetables in the sunshine
>An engineer grows vegetables in a multi-million dollar mechanical tower basting everything with costly chemicals and high maintenance.
no. No one is going to want bland $20 tomatoes.

>>128003980
Wrong. MAD only exist against russia, that's not affected at all. Teconology has been around for more than 30 years it's already in the nw agreements for years. Russia has them around moscow and the US has them at Vandenberg. If one of them Starts buliding their arsenal up so will the other.

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>>128024417
SAKO
Koskenkorva
Sisu Pasi
Molotov Cocktail
L-39 Lahti
Estonia
St. Louis Arch
Mir submarine
Heart Rate Monitor
Dish drying closet
Sauna
Savonius wind turbine
Electric sail
Ice skates

>>128024402
>You're acting like people would understand what was going on.
Well, people would know that there had been a nuclear explosion. Most people are as ignorant as you when it comes to things like radiation.
So most would want to get out of the area.
Some might shelter.

Studies of the evacuations of cities, (Katrina New Orleans, Operation Greenlight in Portland) shows that this would probably reduce radiation casualties overall, while increasing the overall rate of death for those exposed.

In other words, fewer people would get ARS, but of those that did, a higher percentage would die.

What I'd do is smuggle the bomb in on a boat and then rent a van and put it in the van and then drive the van to like Times Square or somewhere and blow it up

Missiles are stupid because everyone's got missiles so everyone's got missile defences, there is no defence against the van

>>128024834
Feminism and females are a death curse to society, we need Japan to fix this with artificial wombs. I didn't say women would be spared in the culling did I?
>>128024417
Not enough, invent more. You become doctor now, you bring dishonror on famiree.

>>128024161
>The CRISPR mechanism for genetic altering needs the red tape and morals removed so we can create a race of superior beings.
Do you realize what weirdo Jews would be in charge of a system like that? The worst, ugliest, degenerate people are in charge of Eugenics.

At best they would make a population of unmotivated, obedient, beautiful autists.

>>128012319
Russia already has those weapons.

>>128024834
Wait until they start bringing in massive yields that don't rely on seasons and grow constantly.

>>128002766
Russia has advanced maneuverable reentry vehicle that cant be intecepted by such system.

Putin warns that USA uses missile defence systems bases to put short range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles with nuclear warheads instead of this interceptors.

>>128025049
>So most would want to get out of the area.
lol, where would they go? You act like cars and electronics would work after air strikes over major cities.

"Hell on Earth" really isn't sinking in for you, isn't it?

>>128025173
http://russianforces.org/blog/2012/10/very_modest_expectations_sovie.shtml


>the currently deployed A-135 system was expected to intercept no more than 1-2 ballistic missiles.

>The capability provided by the A-135 predecessor, A-35, was even more modest - "a single ballistic missile from some directions." Here "single" probably meant just a single warhead.

>>128023019
Pipe dream, may as well be science fantasy at this point. Come back in 50 years.

>>128025173
I know, so they need to stop bitching.

>>128025130
You know we have radiation detectors in every major city, yes?

>>128025137
Then guns to their head and force them to follow the perfect design.

But yes I am aware of the cretins involved in those fields. I've met some of them as well, my sister also complains about them (she's chemistry PHD) and cannot stand the people in her field.

>>128024417
Your proud you made one of the shittiest phines ever? And an app?

Truly the united states cant compare.

>>128025360
>lol, where would they go? You act like cars and electronics would work after air strikes over major cities.
Out of the area.


>"Hell on Earth" really isn't sinking in for you, isn't it?
"You don't know what you are talking about" isn't sinking in for you either.

>>128025236
This is some stupid, 50s-style futurism dogshit.

You might as well be shilling Soylent and "food pills". Vertical farming is a meme.

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>In 2005, USS Ronald Reagan, a newly constructed $6.2 billion dollar aircraft carrier, sank after being hit by multiple torpedoes.
Fortunately, this did not occur in actual combat, but was simulated as part of a war game pitting a carrier task force including numerous antisubmarine escorts against HSMS Gotland, a small Swedish diesel-powered submarine displacing 1,600 tons. Yet despite making multiple attacks runs on the Reagan, the Gotland was never detected.
fugg

>>128023175
Take a look at nuclear warheads: >>128011258
You can stick them on a lot of launch systems, including the "Anti-missile" missiles. All you actually have is the US (((good word))) that they won't do this.

This is realpolitik, not kindergarten, kids.

>That would be chaos.
So why and how do you STILL not understand why everyone is up in arms about these "defensive" missiles systems? No shit it's total chaos, but that is exactly what we have. Everyone throws a shitfit about US "defensive" weapons either in their country "protecting" them, or on their country's borders as "Defensive" measures specifically because these systems can be used offensively at a moment's notice.

Any country hosting these missiles has their head under the dangling sword of damocles. Both as they are now a target from anyone the US might use those nukes against, AS WELL as a de-facto thrall of the US who can unilaterally nuke the entire government structure of said nation with what is effectively an SLBM launch system inside their own country.

Keep note, the US runs these systems, not the host country itself.

>that would be chaos
That's exactly what we have with US "defensive" anti-nuclear systems. I honestly struggle with understanding how americans still don't get this. You can have the entire issue laid bare before you and you still cling to your delusions.

>>128025536
Again, you and "nuclear attacks are fun, no big deal guys".

>>128025413
Near light speed yes, meteors being weaponised isn't so science fiction, how is the asteroid/comet farming plans coming along are they actually going to do that? I haven't paid much attention to it because I don't see the point.

>>128002766
>Stops one ICBM in a controlled test
>"We can now stop the nuclear threat in a few year"

If Russia was to go through with an attack they'd most likely through everything they have at us, and we'd do the same to them.. Even if this system was ready to go and deployed around the globe we'd still only be able to stop a fraction of those nukes. These systems are meant to protect high priority targets like the people in charge or strategic military sights, so don't think there's some kind of safety net out there for us lowly citizens

>>128025610
>You can stick them on a lot of launch systems, including the "Anti-missile" missiles. All you actually have is the US (((good word))) that they won't do this.
And you can stick them up your ass too, leaf. Who gives a shit? you're wrong.

>>128025732
You are lying again.

Why are you doing that? Is it because you are now starting to realize exactly how wrong you are?

>>128025586
It's the solution to over population and feeding the masses. Vertical farms in cities and building more homes on the farm land.

>>128025442

So line the van with lead.

>>128025847
you're delusional

>>128013817
The soviets do have multiple warheads and it is in the Start treaty to limit them as part of disarmament.

>>128025442

Or just rig a fuse to the doors so if the feds catch up with you it'll go off anyway. A nuclear explosion beside a city is basically the same as a nuclear explosion in a city.

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>>128025860
because you keep fucking arguing with me when I say "nuclear attacks are bad" and you're like "lol, no idiot, nuclear attacks feel good, take the nuclear-pill, mandude"

Fucking dickhead. Eat me.

>>128025732
Out of curiosity what is your source for all your conclusions?

>>128025527
>The Nokia 3310 is a GSM mobile phone announced on September 1, 2000,[2] and released in the fourth quarter of the year, replacing the popular Nokia 3210. It sold very well, being one of the most successful phones with 126 million units sold worldwide.[3] The phone is still widely acclaimed[1] and has gained a cult status due to its durability. It is one of Nokia's most iconic devices.

you can't fool me. We are proud of NOKIA, althought they couldn't compete with apple in the end, and they sold it to microsoft.

>>128002766
Conventional warfare is back on boys!

>>128026150
>because you keep fucking arguing with me when I say "nuclear attacks are bad" and you're like "lol, no idiot, nuclear attacks feel good, take the nuclear-pill, mandude"
No, I'm arguing with you because you have no idea what you are talking about. I have never once said that nuclear attacks are good. You keep lying.
All I have done is point out that the effects you think will happen, won't happen because you have no clue what you are talking about.

Nuclear attacks are bad
You have no idea what you are talking about

Both of those can be true at the same time.

>>128025898
Vertical farms don't pass any cost-benefit analysis. Farmer Joe with his dirt and free sunshine will always win. You honestly expect to afford real estate in New York, Chicago and Miami to grow vegetables in an urban area?

meme science. It's the solar roads of food production.

>>128026151
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those were much smaller bombs too.

>>128026618
Wait.
Could you please direct me to the people who had to stay in shelter for months after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

I'll wait.

>>128026464
>All I have done is point out that the effects you think will happen, won't happen because you have no clue what you are talking about.
>"People won't get radiation poisoning in a massive nuclear war because I'm a shithead contrarian on the internet and I say so!"
yeah, I heard you loud and clear.

>>128026789
>yeah, I heard you loud and clear.
Again. Lying about what I said.

Your issue seems to be with the laws of physics that cover radioactive decay not producing the effects that you think they should.

Again. Show me all the ARS casualties from the months after Hiroshima.

>>128026766
They didn't. They got radiation poisoning. Thousands more died after the initial bombings.

>>128026766
Generations born with deformities too.

>>128027059
By August 1945, the Allies' Manhattan Project had produced two types of atomic bombs, and the 509th Composite Group of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) was equipped with the specialized Silverplate version of the Boeing B-29 Superfortress that could deliver them from Tinian in the Mariana Islands. Orders for atomic bombs to be used on four Japanese cities were issued on July 25. On August 6, the U.S. dropped a uranium gun-type (Little Boy) bomb on Hiroshima, and American President Harry S. Truman called for Japan's surrender, warning it to "expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth." Three days later, on August 9, a plutonium implosion-type (Fat Man) bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. Within the first two to four months following the bombings, the acute effects of the atomic bombings had killed 90,000–146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000–80,000 in Nagasaki; roughly half of the deaths in each city occurred on the first day. During the following months, large numbers died from the effect of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries, compounded by illness and malnutrition. In both cities, most of the dead were civilians, although Hiroshima had a sizable military garrison.
here's a staring point for you. No one evacuated the cities. people are predictable.

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Hm...ive got an idea.

>>128027077
Prove it.

People died from effects of the prompt radiation. Not from fallout.
Nice try tho.

Here. Hold this in your mouth until you taste something salty.

http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/08/02/what-the-nukemap-taught-me-about-fallout/

>the chief determinant as to whether there is local fallout or not is whether the nuclear fireball touches the ground. Airbursts where the fireball doesn't touch the ground don't really produce fallout worth talking about — even if they are very large.


>Weapons that are designed to flatten cities, perhaps surprisingly, don't really pose as much of a long-term fallout hazard.


>>128027451
Really?

http://www.rerf.jp/radefx/genetics_e/birthdef.html

> No untoward outcome showed any relation to parental radiation dose or exposure.
>Again, there was no evidence of relationships to radiation dose.
>>128027488
Do you think that there is a difference between 1945 Japanese cities and 2017 US cities, not the least of which is that the US cities are full of people who are aware of nuclear weapons?

>>128027488
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp22.shtml

> It is apparent therefore that insofar as could be determined at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the residual radiation alone could not have been detrimental to the health of persons entering and living in the bombed areas after the explosion.

>>128028305
There are plenty of organizations that research the bombings. Thankfully there was only the two bombings to get data from not more from the casual use of these weapons.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp10.asp

>>128028305
>Do you think that there is a difference between 1945 Japanese cities and 2017 US cities, not the least of which is that the US cities are full of people who are aware of nuclear weapons?
lol, okay. You're still on "Nuclear weapons are fun". Go away.

>>128029642
I looked at your hastily googled link.
It doesn't support your thesis anywhere. I don't see any sign of fallout casualties from those in the area for months after.

>>128029642
>"Nuclear weapons are fun"
Another outright lie.
Proven time and time again to be ignorant in the extreme to the point where you have to make up lies about the guy who is showing you just how stupid you really are. Thats pretty pathetic.

Again. Nuclear weapons are bad. You are very very stupid.
Both of those are true at the same time.

>>128003130

>beyond line of sight.

noob

ever heard of streaming video?

>>128005456
>America is lazy and stupid
>That's why we all just piggy back off your progress and never invented anything in thousands of years.
Don't you have a loo to not poo in?

>>128030401
But you don't know what you're talking about.

You're an expert in dogshit that doesn't think radiation is dangerous. Go live in Chernobyl.

>>128011467
Not when Jews do it.

>>128025772
Yes, it is because in order to weaponize meteors you need to escape earth's orbit, reach those asteroids, and change their orbits. This would be more expensive than and impractical than you possibly imagine with current propulsion systems.

>>128021726
>You would have to completely infiltrate air traffic control
Why? If we're talking about a government doing this (since you mention war crimes), it would be trivial for them to take over a small airfield and fill a plane with ordinance. That said...

>>128003119
>commercial passenger planes
>Drop [bombs]
Commercial passenger jets aren't equipped for dropping payloads, you'd probably have to have someone open an emergency door and throw it out or jump out with it.

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>>128026154
The new Nokia 3,5,6 are actually something I would buy.

>>128013723
I can contribute too, for that

>>128022868
AI would be inherently redpilled and would try and cull humanity. AI will be our end

>>128011696
I love this idea. Or how about ICBMs that can drop chaff?

я тaк paд, чтo я тeпepь oблaдaю caмoкoнтpoлeм и нe cтaнy читaть тpeд, гдe тyпыe инocтpaнцы paccyждaют o пpoблeмaх в кoтopых ничeгo нe пoнимaют, пoдмeняя oтcyтcтвиe знaния cлeпым пaтpиoтизмoм и члeнoмeтpиeй.

>>128038247
Only faggots can read that. Speak American.

>>128038668
Stop appropriating our culture, colonial.

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>>128002766
>So seems the US has now successfully intercepted a ICBM,
>Not anymore because the missiles capable of carrying the long range nukes can be taken out the sky.
It is LITERALLY the equivalent of shooting a bullet that has been shot out of a gun with another bullet.
Kudos to the US for such a fluke but really, do it 50 times and then crow about it. Interestingly they couldn't wait to show us a MOAB blowing shit up but no footage of this... Hmmm.

>>128002766
Just don't mention our mole ai warhead that burrows underground and digs to its target. If the software malfunctions it just goes to the highest nearby melanin concentration