Sam Is looking for a Trump defender

I'd be interested in seeing a reasonable Trump supporter that isn't an edgy faggot. Any youtube videos of one?

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>>128001791
>smart guest who will defend Trump
Bad news there, Sam...

Can't honestly think of any.

>>128001791
James Woods

>>128001791
>Implying that there are none
There are quite a lot actually, I don't know many intelligent Hillary defenders tho

>>128001791
>I define conspiracy theory at my own convenience
>I define trolling at my own convenience
>Now find me some opposition that doesn't fall on these groups I defined for my own convenience

Molymeme / Jared Taylor

>>128001791
>Sam Is looking for a Trump defender
no he's not

>>128001925
All Trump supporters are reasonable

>>128001791
The problem is Sam will dismiss ANY Trump supporter as a conspiracy theorist or a glorified troll.

>>128001971
>James Woods

This would be good

>>128001791
molymeme

>>128002103
He is too mentally unstable.

>>128002049
Both of them would rip his ass wide open.
In fact he basically admitted that Jared Taylor is right when he said with regards to racial intelligence differences that "some knowledge is not valuable to be known"

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>>128001791
Anyone from the famous Claremont Institute -- they wrote the most well known pro-Trump article during the election and framed the Trump movement in intellectual terms: http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/

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>>128001791
>smart
>i define what that is

>>128001949
Piers Morgan, Kayleigh McEnany, Tucker Carlson, Pete Hegseth, Stephen F. Cohen, These are just few that came to my mind

>>128002049
Jared Taylor would be an excellent choice. He's too redpilled for Sam, though, and would be dismissed as a racist bigot.

>>128002060
no, he will bring some retard on, to make sure he "beats" him

>>128002060
>>128002060
no, he will bring some retard on, to make sure he "beats" him

Andrew Anglin

>>128001791
Sam is the king of deflection, he got BTFO by based Jordan Peterson and would pull the same shit on any "rational" trump supporter

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>>128001791

You rang?

>>128001791
Molyneux

>>128002222
oh shit QUADZ

>>128001791
(((Shmuel Benyamin Harris)))

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>>128002211
I think even an hour conversation with Spencer would be too much for Sam

He should have dilbert on his show. Though i havent followed dilbert since the election, not sure if he still defends him. Maybe he falls into sams glorified troll category though.

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>>128002056

>>128001791

The most likely candidate atm seems to be Scott Adams. Which would be OK. I would prefer someone truly redpilled like Jared Taylor though.

>>128002250
This. It would be like bringing on one of CNN's or MSNBC's "Republican Strategists" to defend the "Republican Platform"

>>128002361
He was too much of a coward to even debate Destiny. Sam would eviscerate him.

somebody spam Molyneux to him please

>>128001791
Nassim taleb. Levantine show down.

>>128001791
The problem is no matter who you mention to him no matter how reputable they might be he will just say they are a "conspiracy theorist, glorified troll, etc" because he did not make an qualification as to who would assume they were such. This is typical liberal tactics.

>>128002522
Molyneux rarely takes on guests to argue with him

the only except would be Bill Mitchell and the listeners

>>128001791

Someone get this faggot on Hurricane Katrina's radar.

>>128002636
exception*

>>128001791
>smart guest

if you count toilet shit i guess thats a smart guest to part on the show

>>128002561
>molyjew
> smart

Oh sweet summer child

>>128001791
How about...Scott Adams?

Harris has already dismissed Molyneaux as a "racist crackpot" on a previous podcast.

>>128002566
Nassim would rape him with olive oil

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>>128002245
>Piers Morgan,

Too English and gay

> Kayleigh McEnany,

maybe

>Tucker Carlson,

He honestly, just stupid

>Pete Hegseth,

idk

>Stephen F. Cohen,

fuck no

>How about an actual intellectual??

>>128002479
Maybe Taylor Swift?

>>128002566

Holy shit that debate would go nuclear quick.

But Sam is so cucked he considers Taleb a "troll" because Taleb has said some mean words to him in the past.

Jared is great on the topic of race realism. However, I assume Sam would try to make the debate about (((climate change))) and Trump's "anti-(((science)))" views. I don't really know how Jared would do on those topics, simply because I've never heard him talk about them.

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>>128002249
>Jared Taylor

I would watch this, this would be hilarious.

>>128001791

Sam Hydelberg.

The glaring problem with that tweet, is that they consider all the major truths conspiracy theories.

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>>128002566
Harris hates Taleb because Taleb shit on him in a debate and Harris is threatened by Taleb's gainzz
Jews fear the maronites

Patt Buchanan or ron and rand Paul

Dr. Jordan Peterson

Stefan molyneux

>>128002774
he would likely concede on those topics. he really isnt useful for anything other than arguing for race realism tbqhwy

>>128001791

Scott Adams.

>>128001791
STEFAN MOLYNEAUX

Wasnt he too scared to debate Cernovich?

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>>128002887
>Dr. Jordan Peterson

I don't even think he is a Trump supporter.

>>128002681
Molyneux is quite clearly intelligent. Easily two standard deviations above the European average IQ.

You think that people who disagree with you aren't smart, but that's not how it works. A lot of Soviet communists were geniuses. A lot of NSDAP leaders were geniuses. It's not an either-or situation.

>>128002522
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, anon

>>128002249
>>128002830
Same here. Would be fun to see that pretentious cuck blown the fuck out.

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>>128002875

Why can't all sandniggers be like Nassim? Fucking Islam

>>128001935
Manlet

>>128002479
Scoot Adams isn't good because he only really defends Trump from his persuasion perspective. He doesn't really defend Trump's policies or attack them either.

>>128002887
Peterson was already there

>>128002697
This
Scott Adams would be a good one

>cntrl+f "Shapiro"

>zero results

what the fuck is wrong with you people

Styxhexenhammer666?

Scott Adams is really annoying. Easily the worst suggestion.

>>128002774
If he's so into debating science, let him debate race science with Jared Taylor.

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>>128003085
Taleb considers himself white. He follows Richard Spencer's wife on twitter

>>128002887
Peterson was on already and made an ass of himself arguing that something is only true when it lines up with his feefees.

>>128001791
FUCK Sam Harris-he's a shill cunt and snake oil salesmen

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>but who aren't conspiracy theorists, glorified trolls, etc.

He's using this to find the dumbest person available. Mike Cernovich has challenged him publicly and offered big money for charity to debate Sam Harris but he has refused. Sam Harris is a coward who wants to debate low hanging fruit, similar to what fags like Bill Nye and other libtards do. Ignore this pathetic attempt to save face. He's only saying this because he's embarrassed about constantly declining to debate numerous challengers.

>>128001791
When Sam Harris stops masturbating to Dawkins' opinions and stops being a cock tease to Cenk or Sink, or whatever that geriatric Turkish SJW's name is, and decides to look at evidence outside of his imaginative stories, then maybe he'll attract some decent guests.

>>128003146
>Shapiro
>Trump supporter

Pick one.

Ben is a beast in debate, though. No doubt about that.

JARED TAYLOR
JARED TAYLOR
JARED TAYLOR

>>128002887
Is Peterson actually a Trump supporter?

>>128003166
pretty much this
>>128003126
also this

>>128001791
Jay Sekulow is a great debater. He is a Messianic Jew (Believes Jesus is lord) but in right on most issues. He has argued in front of the supreme court on a number of occasions and knows the constitution backwards and forwards.

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>>128001791
John Miller

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>>128003146
Hes great on some topic but hes still a neocon nevertrumper at first

>>128001791
Ben Shapiro, sorta

>>128002249
He's not a trump supporter though.

You should send based dilbert man

>>128003236
>Mike Cernovich has challenged him publicly and offered big money for charity to debate Sam Harris
Cernovich baked away from Louise Mensch

>>128001791
>sam harris builds his entire career talking about the danger of islam
>doesn't understand why anyone would support the only guy who doesn't want to import millions of terrorists

>sam harris is open to the idea that the different levels of intelligence between races has a biological basis
>doesn't understand why anyone would support the only guy who doesn't want to import millions of subhuman browns

>>128003378
>Jared Taylor
>not a Trump supporter

What? He definitely is, unless he renounced his support recently.

>>128002466
Yeah I prefer Hitler or any other ACTUAL fascist.

>>128003259

He can look at Trump's decisions objectively and he's critical of all government. He can crucify Trump if he wants and he can also defend him if he wants.

Shapiro is the one true answer. Harris vs Shapiro would be dope.

>>128003367
>but hes still a neocon nevertrumper at first
he's against big government

why is there still such a taboo around conspiracy theories?

how can you read all the shit the CIA and the US Govt. has done to it's own people no less and think it couldn't possibly happen today?

>>128003126

I've only seen his tweets through what Cernovich retweets but from what I've seen he goes after the left for their bullshit and defends Trump a lot.

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>>128003384
Mensch is a disinformation agent from the Kremlin

>>128001791
Dennis Prager maybe

>>128002036
This

>>128003450
He's a jew. Mystery solved.

>>128003500
I think he gave trump a b- grade for how he's been doing up until.

Anyone smart enough to be pro trump isn't stupid enough to talk to Sam Faggis

>>128001791
Steve Sailer

>>128003378
a hack fraud

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>>128001935
yeah if they show their face they will be terrorized by the "victims" of trump, like tim allen

is sam harris fake or something? it sounds like the shit my facebook friends were writing during the election in an attempt to bait trump people into coming forward so they could slam and delete them.

>>128002657
Looks like KP is coming back to the Trump admin, after he cleans house.

>>128003384
never heard of louise mensch, why would cernovich debate someone who no one has heard of? utter waste of time, does not have any impact on the public except to make people aware of this nobody.

>>128002340
>That isn't a glorified troll

Learn to read nigger.

Scott Adams you stupid faggots.

>>128003500
>What? He definitely is, unless he renounced his support recently.

His position, as I understand it, is that he voted for trump purely because trump promised to defend the border and stop arabs from coming in.

He thinks trump is doing a mediocre job at fulfilling the promise.

He's a "trump is better than hillary" which I would say isn't the same as supporting trump.

>>128003584
and Thernovich didn't debate her

>>128001791

Maybe Peter Thiel. Scott Adams might just be a glorified troll.

If he wants to go for more hardline people, maybe Paul Ramsey or Mike Enoch?

>>128003146
He's not a Trump supporter, but I'd still like to see him go on. If they framed the discussion around how the media's treated Trump unfairly and the "good Trump" things Ben agrees with, it might be OK.

Ben would actually be good in that he's not a blind personality cult fanatic, but he'll at least give the man credit where it's due, which is more than I can say for Harris or any of the faglords he's had on where Trump's been a topic of conversation.

>>128003663
Essentially this. Jared views Trump as moving America in the right direction.

He also thinks that Trump has perhaps at least an unconscious understanding that America is a white nation.

>>128003033
He's eloquent and that's about it. I actually politically align with him on most issues

>>128003789
You can't debate a madwoman

Mark steyn, Tucker Carlson

POll
JOseph
WOtson

>>128001935
Fuck off Cameren.

>>128002402
Oh, yeah. Dilbertman still says Trump is the master pursuader.

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>>128002036

Yeah this desu

>>128001791
For a guy who is a self claimed Supreme logitician his anger in trump is very illogical

He basically just doesn't like him; which I totally get; but trump has not done anything that you can say is awful, bad tyrannical unless you are being a partisan fag lord

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>>128003126
Vox Day, obviously, owns a publishing house, is an author and editor, big into alt-tech, has the capacity to debate, even economics.

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Sam Harris would get crushed.

>>128003767
he was the one who challenged her

>>128003558
He does that as well. He calls out the left on their disinfo, but his arguments sort of go like this

>Trunp wants to do X, now idk if X is good or bad or what but that's not important. The left is misrepresenting X as Y, but we all know it's X. This is good persuasion.

>>128001791
ben shapiro is pretty good he likes most the stuff trump does but doesnt excuse the stupid shit.

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>view the replies on the Tweet
>someone calls Dave Rubin Gad Saad conspiracy theorists

>>128003768
t. brit butthurt over brexit

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>>128003871
I love Tucker but he wouldnt be good in a high level debate

Hes great at humiliating low hanging fruits really

>>128001791
Why those stupid criterias?
Is he afraid of somthing?

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Adams is our best bet, but Harris is definitely not gonna approach this debate in good faith.

Look how he vetoes "Glorified Trolls" in his tweet. He wants a celebrity, someone somewhat mainstream. And most of all, mild.

What that means is Sammy Boy is going to go straight for the jugular and doesn't want someone who can bantz back.

If I thought there was even a chance of Harris considering it, I'd suggest Mister Metokur. But I feel all the E-Celebs would be vetoed by Harris because they're "Glorified Trolls."

>anyone who disagrees with me is a troll
What a fag

What is Sam Harris's argument about why Trump is bad? Is it, muh Russia?

Nick Land

>>128003537
>He can look at Trump's decisions objectively

No, he can't.

I think he even came out against the Montana Slammer in spite of the journalist practically foisting himself on the guy.

He doesn't consider the circumstances of actions and is a full on "muh conservatism" when people try calling him on his bullshit.

>>128001791
Klavan, Praeger, Whittle, hell even Shapiro who isn't even pro Trump per se.

Just to name a few off the cuff.

>>128003126
Yeah, the conclusion that Sam Harris is gonna draw is: so Trump is just a good con man and it doesn't matter what he does because he is bad and you sai that the whole world is an illusion, so yeah these are Trump supporters folks, literally hypnotized.

>>128003836

Harris asked for someone who would defend Trump, which is a bit different than what the status quo would call a "Trump supporter".

In my opinion, being willing to defend Trump in any way shape or form nowadays is enough to be labelled a Trump Supporter, and I think Ben would do an unreal job with Harris.

It should be Ben Shapiro. He's the smartest one that would do a good job.

>>128003451
shouldnt the memeball be of rogan instead of peterson?

>>128003802
>Mike Enoch
That'd be hilarious
>here's the thing Sam
>>128003869
see>>128004002
>>128003871
Steyn would be a good choice, not as verbose as Sam, but actually brings up hate facts and usually very solid. Teamed up with Farage once and BTFO out of some feminist and politician in a munk debate

Jay Sekulow, watch him own Matt Lewis last night on CNN. Does not give an inch.

Great debater.

>>128004133
He talks funny
and muh russia

>>128004149
Does Nick Land actually support Trump?

>>128004159
>I think he even came out against the Montana Slammer in spite of the journalist practically foisting himself on the guy.

you sound like a fuckin leftist just so you know

>>128004307
https://youtu.be/rheeNQSnbIs

>>128004109
I love Jim, I really do but he could barely defend himself against destiny. Harris is a bit higher tier than destiny.

>>128003802
Mike Enoch is not really pro-Trump though.

>>128004331
kinda, inasmuch as Taylor or Spencer does

>>128002036

/thread

>>128004233
Harris is the memeball. It was Harris' podcast and Peterson was the guest.

>>128004307
Jay's a little too busy for an atheist fool like Harris.

Why doesn't Sam spend any time looking for Hillary prosecution? Ask yourself that.

I just watched his Trump video, it looks like Sam is a conspiracy theorist , since he thinks Trump is with the Russians.

>>128004402
Harris is a terrible debater.

He got tilted by a drunk comedian for Christ sake. The guy is unbelievably arrogant and smug. It's shocking he has a following at all.

defend Trump from what?

Hillary helped arm Al Qaeda ffs.

is Harris really this ignorant? She was a fucking war criminal who lied and broke laws and became a multimillionaire while holding public office.

but Trump was worse???

no intelligent and informed person could think so... except maybe a Zionist warmonger.

https://www.sott.net/article/326282-What-the-media-misses-in-the-Syrian-bloodbath-a-thank-you-to-Hillary-from-Israel

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9231190


Harris' grasp of world events is 100% neocon/zionist MSM bullshit


I recommend Mike Rivero of WRH...

he would fucking pummel Harris.

I'd fucking debate him however I'm just a faggot from some start up political party here in Canada who aren't even registered yet.

>>128001791

Molyneux would destroy him, having him running away with his tail between his legs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg&list=PLMNj_r5bccUx2XNPeFH5d9xsZPra4zvyS&index=1

>>128004402
Funny, Jim's performance against Destiny is why I think he's the most qualified. Destiny used every dirty trick in the book and Jim literally had him in tears at the end.

>>128003768
>t. Sand nigger

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>>128004424
>Sam looks into Enoch
>"Let's google his name and take a look."
>THE DAILY SHOAH

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>>128001791
>I want someone to defend trump
>can't be a troll or conspiracy theorist
>I classify all arguments that favor Trump as conspiracy and/or trolling

Is there a word for when someone sets up a question/debate in such a way to make it so they can't be argued against?
Besides "kikery", I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRE3Pj2FMao

Jared Taylor will unite us

OmniDestiny :^)

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Tbh, Sam would wipe the floor with everyone mentioned here.

I'd say Kellyane Conway would be up to the task.

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>>128003802
>>128004424
Enoch is a kike

>>128004133

>Trump is an idiot
>Trump is a pathological liar
>Trump is owned by Russia

That's the gist of it. In his last podcast with David Frum he was brainstorming how to get Trump impeached. He has gone off the deep end. He's doing another podcast with Frum now. I can't wait to hear what insane gibberish he has in store this time. Such a shame, he used to be one of my favorite """intellectuals""".

>>128004217
I agree, he's fully capable. But I'm curious if Ben would do the show.

>>128002049
Jared taylor isn't really a trump supporter.

Sam assumes firing Comey is an admission of guilt on the part of Trump. Sam is a fucking moron.

>>128003259
Honestly, for Sam Harris, it would be the best pick because Shapiro is going to defend him on policies and is going to rip Sam if he starts talking about personality or Russia conspiracy stuff. He's a never Trumper so not really a supporter so Sam is looking for someone to really rip apart in front of his fans.

>>128003362
I don't why I laughed so hard at this

>>128001791

>Hi, I'm a JEW and part of the Jewish conspiracy
>please come on my show so I can make you look bad
>but don't be intelligent

Ok

>>128004559
This too. I think Harris is aware of this, at least subconciously, hence "No Glorified Trolls."

I'm literally who, but I won NY State Debate in Public Forum when I was in High School - the type of opponent Harris wants is one who repeats the simplest Trump talking point imaginable. One with nice long pauses and simple platitudes so Harris can chime in with a prepared speech on human identity and how we should build bridges, not walls.

>>128001791
I guess 50 million people are all conspiracy theorists or glorified trolls. But let me guess they are also evil Russian spies contracted by Putin to destroy America by fostering American nationalism?

>>128004217
But Ben Shapiro clearly stated that he doesnt like/support trump....

>>128001791
i don't know any public figures who could do it
the smartest supporters are anons on the chans

Get Styx onto his show, he constantly covers Trump and has an opinion, granted he's a mild supporter not a full blown one.

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>>128001791
Scott Adams is good because he has a vastly different (and more accurate) opinion of the character of Donald Trump than Little Sam Harris. This is different than someone who supports Trump because he best represents the policies they support
>pic related

>>128002211

>some knowledge is not valuable to be known

holy shit, can you link me when he said this?

for being an intellectual that is an incredibly stupid thing to say, of course its useful

he's just a pussy who's afraid of the repercussions of presenting a taboo but real truth in the modern world

>>128002747
If Nassim wants to act like an insufferable cunt, he can do that. If he wants to get invited to debates or dialogue with other people that isn't very helpful (i don't think he does).
>Lets invite this man who calls me a hack fraud over to talk
Said no one ever.

Ann Coulter or Molymeme

Of course, anyone who brings up actual facts about how immigration is fucking killing us will be written off as a troll, so there's no point. There's no arguing with people like Harris who already have an unflinching axiom of radical egalitarianism, and nothing you say will make a difference. Someone who refuses to acknowledge that humans are tribal and that it's natural to want to be with your own people will never see eye-to-eye on these things.

Molymeme or Ann Coulter

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>there are people on /pol/ who listen to this retard

>>128001791
>hi, i want to debate someone who meet my arbitrary conditions

>>128005089

If everyone on Earth was a 4chan poster this wouldn't be a problem because insults like that would roll off you like nothing.

>bawww he was rude to me I don't want to talk to him he makes me feel unsafe

That is some weak ass bullshit. Don't lay the blame at Nassim's feet, the blame is with the pussies who can't take the heat. You faggot.

>>128004931
He seems like the kind of debater who could take any side and win regardless.

>>128005267
molymeme is a fucking hack; and actually is a glorified troll.... but he would come prepared and get some good shots in.

>>128003126
Much of Sam Harris's arguments were based on Donald Trump's character, so Scott Adams would be the perfect choice imo.
See my earlier post:
>>128005049

>>128005064
I got into an argument with a leftist friend of mine and something similar came up as well. We're in medschool, and he was talking about an article that lamented how not enough niggers are going into medicine. I mention difference in IQ and he chimps out and denies this completely. After showing and going through the data, he falls back to a "You shouldn't be talking about this! This will just dissuade blacks from even trying" as if that's an argument. As if that changes the fact that they're less intelligent on average, and therefore it's expected to see a difference in their representation in high-intellect fields.

>>128002681
He'd rup you a new one and you know it.

>>128005064
>>128002211

But then he had Charles A Murray on the show and has defended him ever since

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>>128002245
>Piers Morgan, Kayleigh McEnany, Tucker Carlson, Pete Hegseth, Stephen F. Cohen, These are just few that came to my mind
>Stephen F. Cohen
>Cohen

>>128005440
This would be interesting if I could tolerate Sam's voice. Something about it annoys me for some odd reason

>>128005197
>>128005267
hivemind

>>128005387
He is a hack and an ancap cult leader. But he also has a sky-high IQ and has the ability to debate anyone on the fly while someone being able to rattle stats and data off the top of his head to support his #Arguments.

>>128005440
and when was this exactly?

>>128003214
Does he want to rape her?

>>128001791
stefan molyneux

and this>>128002036

>>128002036
honorary white

>>128005672
bill mitchell

>>128005607
>But he also has a sky-high IQ
I don't believe this (i would say he's moderately above average); but you're right otherwise. He's good at "winning" a debate.

>>128003166
>>128004969
This. Rolling for Styx

>>128001791

STYXHEXANDHAMMER

his knowledge and level head makes everybody look like retards.

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>>128001791
Ben Shapiro
Scot Adams
Stefan Molyneux

>>128002049
>Jared Taylor
Holy shit I want to see this now.

>>128005440
This would be interesting, but it's not really a debate vs a Trump supporter. Dilberman's thing is that he just analyzes Trump from the angle of persuasion. He's not actually pro- or anti-trump. Sam Harris would go in with strawman arguments and whining about XYZ policies, and Scott Adams would be talking past him and talking instead of persuasion and hypnotism.

I remember because that's what happened when Scott Adams went on Bill Maher's show before the election. Maher just wanted to scream about DRUMP BIG DUMB ORANGE HITLER!!! while Adams was talking about how you're looking at it all wrong.

>>128002036
/thread
How long til this hack's fame finally dries up?

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>>128005658
lel no. I also noticed this Lebanese reporter(who Taleb follows) also follows Spencer on twitter.

>>128005774
I meant to specifically say Verbal IQ. That is to say, he's really good at coming up with things to say on his feet and keeping track of ideas and arguments in his head.

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>>128005330
Too bad you don't get to dictate what other people should do.

>>128002174
Yeah lol definitely a conspiratard

>>128005889
The reason Scott is good is because all of Sam's argumemts revolve around Donald Trump's character.
A debate about policy would be pointless for this regard.

>>128005459

Even beyond IQ differences, racial medicine is something that is being looked into. It seems like is has promise.

I know for example there's this heart medicine that pretty much only helps black patients. When they were testing it they found it really didn't help anyone else. However, given the effectiveness of it on black people they said it would be unethical to keep it from the people just because it only helps one racial group.

I'm no biochemist, but I can imagine that custom tailored drugs to race would be a really good direction to go if everyone weren't so afraid of going into racial territory. Things are heading that direction anyway with talk of drugs that are custom tailored to the individual, of course that has to do with genetics and the races are going to be more closely related genetically and have more closely related metabolic mechanisms

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>>128001791
<---- He's already contacted Scott Adams

>>128001791
Ben Shapiro. He will make the case for conservatism and say what trump has done right and wrong.

inb4 he calls any smart guest a conspiracy theorist, glorified troll, etc.

Sam Harris is a dumbass.

Sam Harris' B.A. in philosophy doesn't appear to be sufficient for making him a competent philosopher. The question of whether morality can and does exist objectively without God is entirely a metaphysical question - making his background in neuroscience entirely irrelevant. His arguments, as do all atheists' arguments, depend on fundamental tenets like materialism, naturalism, empiricism, etc. - none of which are coherent. Empiricism is self-refuting; it holds that empirical observation is the only way to know truth, but it can't show that statement to be true. Belief that science is the only way to know truth, is also self-refuting, as there's no way to conduct an experiment to test if that's true. It's also false simply because truth can be obtained via methods like logical deduction, completely independent of science. Naturalism is self-refuting; if our ability to conceive of truth exists only because it has naturally evolved to be as it is, and nature selects only for traits that help us survive, and knowledge of truth isn't necessary for our survival, then there's no reason any of our conceptions of truth would be correct and Sam Harris shouldn't believe anything he says.

>>128005982
>good at coming up with things to say on his feet
Eh, I hate to say it, but Shapiro is probably the best I've seen at that. Look at his college speeches. Absolutely no pauses when he's answering questions

Materialism is false; in order for it possibly to be true, one would have to believe ideas and concepts exist physically and objectively. Matter can only produce emergent properties. Emergent properties don't exist; that is, they only exist as ideas. There is no such thing as mind-independent, objective emergent properties, in the same way there is no such thing as mind-independent, objective information. Only the mind gives these things meaning. The mind objectively exists. Thus the mind isn't an emergent property. Thus the mind can't be produced by matter. Thus the mind is immaterial. Thus materialism is false. As you should infer, when science is conducted by someone who isn't a logician, it allows for logical incoherencies to be overlooked or ignored, and makes evidence susceptible to being interpreted in accordance with bias.

>>128006100
Kikepiro would just shit on Trump for 3 hours.

In order for objective morality to exist in a materialistic world, as Sam Harris believes, it would need to be an abstract object or exist in physical objects. I don't know if he dismisses this necessity all together, but at the very least, he presupposes at least one of these to be true. This is because he presupposes God doesn't exist, demonstrably from a number of these logical fallacies: straw man ('God is a magical sky wizard'), appeal to ridicule ('lol they actually believe this'), begging the question (assuming his conclusion, like that morality objectively exists in a materialistic world, and -then- trying to explain how it works), red herring (anything irrelevant like 'What matters is that we have morality'), appeal to need ('We don't need God'), appeal to emotion ('God was bad and atheism is the only true enlightenment'), appeal to what should be ('It would be bad for God to exist'), genetic fallacy ('All religions correlate with certain cultures, therefore they are all false'), argument from ignorance ('I don't recognize evidence for God, therefore He's unlikely to exist'), or - and this is the most popular one, responsible for most atheist's delusions about atheism being synonymous with "reason" - appeal to the stone (dismissing something as obviously ridiculous without giving proof).

Peter Thiel

Consequently, Sam assumes morality is material and works his way from there. He certainly didn't arrive at that conclusion logically. He explains how our sense of morality has evolved to be as it is for our survival, but this doesn't imply morality objectively exists, only that subjective morality exists. In Sam's world view, unless he's cognitively dissonant or profoundly logically inconsistent, morality is objectively meaningless - nihilism is an inescapable consequence of atheism. He tries to confuse and conflate subjective meaningfulness with objective meaningfulness, but that's just an appeal to emotion. They simply aren't the same thing - nothing objective is contingent on our thoughts. Explaining how something would be plausible does not imply the probability of that thing being true. Sam Harris does nothing to show the existence of God is unlikely or ridiculous.

People who think of the existence of God as a ridiculous notion, presumably by choice, imagine Him as some limited being who's unlikely to exist by definition. God is generally defined as being omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, transcendent, and ultimately incomprehensible. Imposing purposely silly definitions on Him (or any definition), aside from being an appeal to ridicule, does not function as a valid reduction to absurdity because any and all imposed definitions conflict with His actual definition. For example, a "flying spaghetti monster" is either not omnipotent by definition, or its form isn't necessary and therefore arbitrary and non-definitive. If or when the intention is merely to show God is "as ridiculous" as any fantastical thing using false analogies, it is only a redundantly-fallacious appeal to the stone. It's also akin to saying "Look, I can make things up. Therefore your God is made up," and yet these are the kind of unsophisticated arguments atheists use, presumably all because they refuse to conceive of possibility outside our comprehension, lest they have to admit we may be held accountable to something outside ourselves.

The existence of God isn't ridiculous, anymore than the existence of minds, multiple dimensions, fundamental forces, ideas, concepts, thoughts, good, evil, purpose, meaning, physical constants, logical constants, existence in general, etc. are ridiculous. You might be tempted to contest something like "But we observe these things." No, you don't. You only observe their effects.

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>>128001791
>I'm concerned about the conflicting visions of globalism and nationalism.
>Sam Harris: Conspiracy theorist.

>I'm concerned about IQ depression cause my mass immigration from lower average IQ populations
>Sam Harris: You're just a racist troll.

>Sam Harris: Why can't I find anyone with reasonable concerns who supports Trump?

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>>128001791
Ben Shapiro(to satiate Sams elitist ego), Andrew Klavan(for a funny conversation) or Dennis Prager(I like the guy)
>or pic related for a liberal whoms views of trump are positive

>>128006042

I see. I've never actually listened to anything Sam Harris has to say, because he's a degenerate anti-white-christian kike. But I always find it enraging when all people have to argue about is someone's "character". As if tone policing is fucking important whatsoever. That's the sort of debate tactic a goddamn woman uses, where it doesn't matter what you say, because you're still the "bad guy" because you were too harsh and made her shed crocodile tears.

>>128001791
Stephen molyneux

Molymeme is perfect for this!

Arguments against Sam Harris' belief of the existence of objective morality in a Godless world:

Subjective relativism is self-refuting. If subjective relativism were true, the proposition "subjective relativism is false" would be paradoxical and couldn't exist. The proposition can exist, as I've demonstrated. Therefore subjective relativism is false. Therefore subjective morality isn't necessarily objectively correct.

1. There is only the conscious and the nonconscious. (p ^ p' = everything)
2. We know inductively that the inanimate (nonconscious) is not moral. (Observation)
3. In some possible world, there is only the nonconscious. (Premise)
4. In some possible world, there is no morality. (From 2 and 3)
5. Morality is contingent. (From 4)
6. In some possible world, morality exists and nonconciousness doesn't exist. (Premise)
7. Morality is not contingent on the nonconscious. (From 6)
8. Morality is contingent on the conscious. (From 1, 5, and 7)
9. The objective is by definition independent of human or limited consciousness.
10. Morality can be objective if and only if God exists. (from 8 and 9)
11. Everything is objective or subjective.
12. If God doesn't exist, morality is only subjective. (from 10 and 11)

>>128001791
ryan dawson

>>128006240
You're forgetting Sam's soft, annoying voice

>>128004360
couldn't make it 5 seconds into this cringe-fest

1. If God exists, morality exists as a Godly idea.
2. Godly ideas exist objectively.
3. If God exists, morality exists objectively.
4. If God doesn't exist, materialism is true.
5. The only thing that exists outside of minds is matter and possibly abstract objects.
6. Morality cannot be composed of matter.
7. Abstract objects are only concepts.
8. Concepts cannot exist objectively.
9. Abstract objects do not exist objectively.
10. If morality is an abstract object, it does not exist objectively.
11. Morality cannot exist outside of minds.
12. If God doesn't exist, morality only exists as a human idea. (from 6 and 10)
13. Human ideas don't exist objectively.
14. If God doesn't exist, morality doesn't exist objectively.
15. Therefore, if God doesn't exist, morality is only subjective, and it's objective only if God exists.

In conclusion, Sam Harris is demonstrably a dumbass.

>>128006191
Would be interesting. Thiel has a few esoteric opinions and friends. Also has a BA in philosophy from Stanford.
>gay
>christian
>libertarian
>billionaire
>chessmaster
interesting combo

>>128006074
Yup. It's because nigger's renin-angiotensin-aldosterone systems work slightly differently, so drugs that inhibit it like ACE inhibitors (lisinopril) have less effect. Instead, they give niggers imdur+hydralazine to get the same effect.

[spoiler]Alex Jones[/spoiler]

>>128006240

Sam is actually surprisingly redpilled on IQ and race, despite being a cuck politically. Listen to his Charles Murray podcast, it's bretty gud.

>>128006144
Molymeme doesn't pause at all either. He's somehow able to fairly eloquently come up with things to say and make compelling-sounding arguments.

I don't even like him that much beyond the fact that he cites useful data. But he IS a good debater.

>>128002289
You're literally delusional if you think he was "BTFO" by Jordan Peterson... Jordan Peterson literally wanted to redefine the meaning of words to make his arguments work and it was embarrassing and one of the worst podcasts of Sam's I've ever heard it was that fucking boring.

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I nominate Styx

>>128004349
Nah you're just a faggot.

>>128001791
He already got scott adams

>>128006114

>The question of whether morality can and does exist objectively without God is entirely a metaphysical question - making his background in neuroscience entirely irrelevant.

Wrong, morality is at it's core, a set of behaviors and values, which as far as we can determine come solely from the brain. Morality is always based on an interplay between physical circumstances and how the brain chooses to react to them. Morality is a behavior. behaviors are functions of the brain. These objectively exist in the physical world.

>>128006277
Here's an hour long clip of Harris talking about Drumpf's character if you're interested. You'll be annoyed by his voice if you aren't already
https://youtu.be/NmbAd1Cg5rM

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>>128004000
fuck yeah
also, checked.
That's about all.

>>128002340
He looks badass with the mustache

Shapiro would somehow find a way to win the argument and shit on Trump at the same time.

Jews are too good at debate.

>>128006074
>When they were testing it they found it really didn't help anyone else. However, given the effectiveness of it on black people they said it would be unethical to keep it from the people just because it only helps one racial group.
What's going to happen with this is that a double standard will be set against whites, where medicine that only helps whites will be illegal or something like that.

>>128006517
>Sam is actually surprisingly redpilled on IQ and race
Does he still believe in democracy or non-white immigration? If he does he's not really redpilled om race or IQ

bill Mitchell *air horn sound*

>>128006517
Sam Harris is a kike. Kikes can't be "redpilled". Because they're the ones actively dispensing the bluepills. Yeah, they know the truth, but they don't actually CARE about the truth, and instead push onward with subverting the goyim. So a kike like Sam will know about racial differences and STILL advocate we take in millions of shitskins and stamp out the white race in the process. Because he doesn't actually give a shit about white europeans. Because they're not HIS people. His people are the kikes.

>>128004000
Sam cant handle a 10.2

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>>128001791
Sam Crowder?

>>128006535
I've seen Molymeme get into silly arguments with his callers that I haven't seen Shapiro pull

>>128006335
based BILL WHITTLE

>>128006517
Then he's still in the process of incorporating that information into his broader world view, because he hasn't done so yet. It will be interesting to see if he prioritizes his baked-in liberal ideologies.

>>128006578
cringelord

>>128006808
TBQH, Sam Harris is looking for someone exactly like Bill Mitchell. A dumb boomer cuckservative that only thinks and speaks in retarded platitudes and catchphrases. A dumb idiot strawman punching bag for Harris to tear apart.

Calling it now. He'll reject Coulter, Molymeme, etc and have Bill Mitchell on.

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>>128005954
tbf yesterday I was watching Guy Fieri and he had on an Italian, a Greek, and a Lebo, and the Lebo had the lightest skin and whitest presentation of the bunch. The Italian acted and talked like a nigger and the Greek had a giant gold chain and his shirt open to the second button.

Sam fears molyneux

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>>128006812
Yeah, and your people will come to destroy and kill you, if you want to stop him!

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>>128006578

No, no, no, you have to respect my rules. Nobody who believes conspiracies can be real, or I'll just be dismiss them as conspiracy theorists and nothing they say can possibly be valid after that.

But I want an honest debate. t. Sam Jewnose Harris.

>>128006666
quads of truth

>>128006943
I'm not arguing that Shapiro isn't a high verbal IQ jew with a good ability to debate. But Shapiro also isn't a Trump supporter.

If you want a proper debate on what's good about Trump, you HAVE TO get into the Race Question and argue that white people have the right to preserve their nation. A jew will never do this.

Of course, Molymeme is 1/4th kike or whatever, but he directly advocates for white ethnonationalism, so whatever.

>>128005314

In all actuality he doesn't want to waste his time with retards. It's as though you know you and everybody else here is retarded but aren't quite ready to admit it yet.

>>128006765

I'm only referencing his knowledge of racial IQ differences, not whether he would do anything sensible with that information.

>>128006812

I honestly don't think Sam has a very Jewish identity. His identity is based on his image of being an "intellectual" and believer in logic and science. If you asked him about how we should discriminate when it comes to immigration his answer would probably be "IQ". Just because he hates Trump as a person doesn't mean he is someone who advocates for "open borders". His hatred of Trump comes from the aforementioned identity based around intellectualism. He can't stand the fact that someone who he sees as such an intellectual inferior could become president.

Looks like there aren't any smart Trump supporters, huh.

>>128006996
>being this gay
>flag
oh, nvm, carry on, Hansmed

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>>128007237
I know /pol/ is kinda ostracized on him, but Spencer would be pretty good for that. Or Jared Taylor. Molyneux doesn't really take a lot of his conclusions to their logical end

>>128006378

Morality doesnt have to be literally composed of matter, but it does exist entirely in relation to circumstances of matter. For example, morality concerning killing and violence exists entirely by the fact that we are physical creatures capable of being hurt or killed. Morality cannot be separated from the cause and effect of natural circumstances. It's wrong to kill because we can die. It's wrong to rape because we have genitals. It's pretty simple.

>>128002289

There's a :17 second dead air KO of Peterson on one of those podcast. He got destroyed by Harris.

>>128007322

There's nothing 'sensible' to be done with that knowledge. Humans are humans whether their IQ is 80 or 120 and individuals are individuals. The only sensible thing to do with this knowledge is to stop demanding that we have quotas for blacks to get in to university, because we presently disadvantage Asians a very great deal, despite them being disproportionately represented in higher education they're still presented with the largest hurdle.

>>128003751
Which game is this?

>>128007649
Sam's power of autism overwhelmed him

>>128002036
My thoughts fellow white man

>>128001791
We should tell him to contact Destiny. Thay guy has an unbroken streak in debates.

>>128002049
Jared Taylor would be great. Im sick of watching him mop up (((journalists))) and 2nd rate professors.

>>128007601

Nothing is simple for people on /pol/

>>128007740
Do you think it's good for the longterm interests of the country to allow black people to immigrate into the country?

Do you think having a lower average IQ is good? or bad? for a representative democracy?

>>128007411
>ostracized
"split" or "divided," maybe

>>128001791
No glorified trolls allowed.

I like Peter thiel. Would be interesting convincing desu

>>128007740

>implying IQ is the only relevant factor

A 115 IQ Arab is still going to swindle me without any empathy because we are not the same people and he's not going to care about me because of that. Tribalism is as strong of an instinct as any other and we are not going to get rid of it. The most consistent factor in terms of what makes people happy is a sense of community. Multiculturalism is diametrically opposed to that. Therefore multiculturalism is diametrically opposed to happiness. Ethnonationalism is the only way.

>>128001791
peter theil.. he did defend him once using a press conference.

>>128001791
>Anyone who disagrees with my preferred narratives is a conspiracy theorist

>>128007989
Do you think it's for the longterm good that we continue to allow whites with IQs below 85 breed? There are probably millions upon millions of blacks in this world more qualified to reproduce and function in American society than whites presently in this country, so this isn't an argument.

I think representative democracy is shit no matter what the average IQ is.

Hope this answers your question.

>>128007740
>individuals are individuals.
A healthy society is composed of families, not individuals.

>>128007030
i was thinking the same thing.

>>128002737
>Tucker
>Stupid
Wot

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>>128008008
I think styxx and Shapiro get more support on /pol/ than Spencer, which is a little sad.

>>128001791
>"But who aren't conspiracy theorists or glorified trolls, etc"

But.. that's every Trump supporter according him. Why doesn't he just admit that he doesn't want a Trump supporter attending.

>>128001791
CONspiraTHY THEORISTS

wait while I accuse Trump of having commie ties to Russia

>>128008150
>There are probably millions upon millions of blacks in this world more qualified to reproduce and function in American society than whites presently in this country
http://www.npiamerica.org/research/category/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race
There isn't even one.

>>128002245
Silly Jew.

They all either fall on conspiracy nuts, trolls, or etc.

>>128008080
I'm exactly the person who doesn't imply IQ is the only factor, I was responding to YOUR post that was using IQ as the argument, I hate to be the one to tell you that you make yourself look stupid assuming nobody can go back and see where and what my post was referencing

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>but who aren't glorified trolls
Uhm... Uhmmmm...

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>>128001791
>give me names of smart Trump supporters that fit my arbitrary standards that I can change to suit my arguments on a whim
Gas

>>128008320
Thanks for your opinion that has nothing to do with my argument... I guess.

>>128007783
Peterson's a fucking joke tho. He's basically the uppity Sam Harris version of Ray Comfort.

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>>128001791
>Dinesh d'Souza
>Dennis Prager
>Mark Levin
>Nadja Atwal
>Ben Shapiro

>>128002887
Sam said on his podcast last year that people always ask him to get Molyneux on and that he "doesn't have the time to figure out if he's a white supremacist." I think he's just scared

>>128006114
fuck off hillbilly

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>>128008349

>There's nothing 'sensible' to be done with that knowledge. Humans are humans whether their IQ is 80 or 120 and individuals are individuals

These sentences very much imply you are a civic nationalist cuck. That might not be what you meant but that's what they sound like.

>>128007411
Spencer is a terrible debater. He speaks too vaguely and in roundabout prose. He'd get torn apart not because his thoughts on white nationalism are wrong, but because he's not a good orator.

>>128008292

I think they have broader appeal which is naturally going to get them more support in any situation. Styx is the first person I would go to in order to explain to my friends why Trump was the better choice, because he sounds knowledgeable and doesnt come off as a loon or conspiracy theorist.

>>128008150
>Do you think it's for the longterm good that we continue to allow whites with IQs below 85 breed?

Obviously it isn't good. The question is whether the system required to stop them is worse than the effect of their children.

The policy of stopping black people from immigrating is not bad at all. We already stop lots of people from coming. We already filter them out by race. All that we have to do is let the smart group in rather than the stupid group.

>>128008150
>There are probably millions upon millions of blacks in this world more qualified to reproduce and function in American society than whites
You're wrong about this. Look up regression to the mean.


>presently in this country, so this isn't an argument.
Of course it's an argument. Is it BETTER to have a high IQ country? Or a low IQ country?

If it's better to have a high IQ country, should we choose to allow immigrants who will increase the long term IQ of the country? Or decrease it?
The answer is obvious.

>>128008150
>I think representative democracy is shit no matter what the average IQ is.
Everything is shit. We're talking about better or worse. Don't change the subject.

>>128008533
>>Dinesh d'Souza
>>Dennis Prager
>>Mark Levin
>>Nadja Atwal
>>Ben Shapiro

Sam has crushed Dinesh D'Souza multiple times. You don't want that.

Ben Shapiro isn't a Trump supporter, he's also a neocon kike, isn't that exactly what you Trump retards hate?

>>128008559
sam harris is a putz, no wonder he's only hero to athiest like that kangaroo youtube guy or banana faggot

>>128008725
>Sam has crushed Dinesh D'Souza multiple times
Sauce

>>128003378
It's disturbing that you're all scratching your heads for one (just one) smart Trump supporter and the best you come up with is "based dilbert man."

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>>128003451
This right here is why scottyboy is perfect, even if hes a liberal. Wordthinking just doesn't work on pic related.

Get Steven Crowder to go on him

>>128003450
>the only guy who doesn't want to import millions of terrorists

Ridiculous strawman.

>>128002249
>>128005559
I made it better, I think.

>>128008725
Ben Shapiro defends Trump when it comes to defending the conservative aspects of his agenda, i.e. the stuff that would matter in a debate vs Sam.

>>128008648

I'm simply saying, for a person that values freedom and individual rights and has compassion for other human beings for things outside of their actual control (yes the universe is deterministic and free will doesn't exist), there's nothing that can be said for knowing the average IQ of large groups of people. It's useless information.

>>128007411
Spencer is shit. Taylor is a god compared to him.

I would watch Sam Harris vs Jared Taylor.

>>128008693
>Spencer is a terrible debater
I think this is objectively wrong, but I do think he's too spergy and should use hate-facts more. Taylor is probably the better debater, but Spencer's fine and a bit more loquacious

>>128008817
That's not what we're looking for though.

We're looking for a smart trump suupporter who:

>is a public figure willing to risk his livlihood by talking about it
>believes in the same worldview as sam harris
>is subdued and logical during an argument.

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>>128008880
Forgot to loop it forever.

>>128002049
Sam Harris insinuated that he doesn't have enough time to research whether Molymeme is just a racist crackpot or not

>>128004645
No true scotsman falacy. All legitimate arguments get redefined