Why does the left try to use a redpilled book to push their agenda?

>>127985295
Please remember to archive. Thank you.

>http://salon com/2017/05/30/down-the-memory-hole_partner
--> https://archive.is/mT9wV

Not reading an unarchived link.
And speaking of "memory holes", imagine my shock that Salon deleted all their pro-pedophilia articles after Anthony Wiener/Pizzagate.

>>127985295
inb4 "uhhh orwell was a socialist, sweetie"

>Salon

Obama signed off on spying on the planet, how is that trump's fault?

1984 is not redpilled.

It fills you with hopelessness and dread after dragging you through graphic sex scenes written to corrupt children.

Orwell is O'Brien.

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>>127985295
So that's why the media plasters his fucking face everywhere to make you believe it's 1984.God why can't these parasites fucking DIE ALREADY!

1984 is normie pseudointellectual drivel
Brave New World could have been written by a time traveller

>>127985386

So was Hitler.

>>127985295

>why does the left use 1984 to push their agenda

Because they noticed us using 1984 references regarding their attempts at controlling language so they're trying very unsuccessfully to appropriate 1984 references as a leftist thing so people don't wrongthink about their blatant redefining of 'sexism' and 'racism'

>>127985295
WAR IS PEACE
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH
TRUMP IS ORWELL


"If you say a lie, and make it big enough, and keep repeating it, it becomes fact" -something along those lines

>>127985540
I was depressed for a while after I finished reading it.

>>127985295
People that realized the MSM is doing this aren't the kind of people that read shit like Salon to begin with. They're using a red pill argument to present the blue pill like its the red pill.

>>127985709

thats also an easy way to convince yourself of your own propaganda

Because they are like really bad bloodhounds. Soon as they get a whiff of anything they think is the scent of their prey they take off in the wrong direction.

>>127985386
he was until he partook in the spanish revolution

To make it seem like "teh evil trump" was the one spying on all citizens illegally for 8 years

lol, ironically trump is more like Goldstein than big brother. Like him or not he's clearly the doubleplus ungood president and you're a very bad goy if you voted for him

>>127985295
Because they are hypocrites

>>127985295
Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein, not Bug Brother.

>>127985540
I've always wondered if it was worth it for Winston. He got to fuck a piece of ass like Julia for months.

They don't want people reading animal farm so they hype 1984 instead.

>>127985295
these people are retarded. Like when they screened 1984 to protest trump, and i was like "wasnt their hero Obama the one repreatedly exposed for illegally spying on his own citizens" I think these fagggots ahould actually read the book maybe

>>127985295

Orwellrony


we have anti-democratic democrats
fascist anti fascists

why not Leftists accusing everyone else of Orwellizing the news, history etc

its fitting, really.

IngSoc is not quite authoritarian enough for the RegLeft

>>127985914
No, he was a Marxist until Spanish Civil War, and then became an Anarchist. He was still socialist.

The office of the Presidency has such obnoxious amounts of power that 1984 comparisons come out no matter who sits in the office

>>127985295


any chance rebecca is yet ANOTHER fucking Jew??

>>127985295
>redpilled book
Could someone explain me why exactly this book is considered to be great or "redpilled"? I was honestly impressed by how shit it is when I read it. It is a surprisingly poor written fiction, taking place in a system which could never possibly work.

Classic lib tactic: 'Accuse the victim of what you do'

They are so deluded. The recent NSA wiretapping story proves unequivocally that Barack Obama basically made 1984 a reality. He engaged in political espionage.

>>127986327

Be skeptical of Marxism and government

>>127985295

Ingsoc = English Socialism. They were the bad guys. Did the socialist regressives at Salon even read the book?

>rightists still think orwell was one of them

do they willingly propagate those lies or are they just too stupid to literally read one of their articles?

>trump is exercising complete control over all messaging while all messaging is slanderous negative stories about him
interesting theory you filthy kikes

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>>127986237
Hard to tell with the profile, but she is definitely a bitter dried up roastie.

>>127985689
It's time for Brave New World references then. I want to see them try to twist that one

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found on the same site:

https://www.salon.com/2017/05/31/why-did-these-germans-build-a-literal-pipeline-for-their-beer_partner/

Why did these Germans build a literal pipeline for their beer?
It's for the biggest music festival in the world.

Organizers for the world’s biggest metal festival expect metal heads to consume so much beer they’re constructing a beer pipeline. The underground pipeline will be seven kilometers long and funnel 400,000 liters of beer to the festival. It will hold enough pressure to pump six beers in six seconds. To anyone who stood in line for a beer at concert, this will sound like a godsend.

>GERMANS

>>127986509
>government
But there is a plenty of books taking place in both dystopias and utopias written a long time before 1984.
>Marxism
The ideas of marxism probably influenced Orwell when he wrote that books, however Orwell is not a economist or political philosopher, the marxism itself wasn't discussed (or portrayed) in the book at all. Again, there are a plenty of marxist-bashing literature out there. So why praise 1984?

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On second thought, the book's name "American Nuremburg: The Officials Who Should Stand Trial for Post 9/11 Crimes" lets me know she's definitely one of God's (((chosen))). They simply can't abstain from reminding you of the 6 gorrilion.

>>127986327
The system may not make much sense, especially when ruling by fear is no longer a thing, but it's basic mechanics still work.

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>>127987368
Every single time

It's so easy to start hating the jews

>>127986219
Animal Farm literally came into existence as a way of explaining how socialism seems attractive yet it will end in massive disappointment, illiterate fuck.

Also, it's just another classic case of leftism projection, OP. Saul Alinsky's "accuse your enemy of what you're doing" type of thing.

>>127987868
No, Animal Farm is a critique of Leninism and Marxism.

>>127987052
Great, now I badly want an Ayinger Jahrhundertbier, and it's barely 9 o clock.

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Did these people even read 1984? They are the ones advocating for policed language/thought. They want to ban words. They collectively have their 2 minutes of hate for Trump every day. They want complete control of your life. They would have advocated for spying on American citizens or at least done it behind closed doors.

They are everything they claim to hate about Trump.

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these idiots haven't even read the book.

the image shows trump in place of goldstein, who is only an image for the people to hate on their work breaks.

this author literally doesn't understand the source material.

>>127987051
DOUBLE PLUS GOOD.

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>>127987770
It's amazing how obvious it is and yet how incognito they remain at the same time. I had a pretty blue-pilled friend that I'd exchange articles with and I named the Jew. He didn't believe me until I started showing him the names and bios of the authors. We went through the past works and it was something like 80% were penned by (((them))).

>>127985295
liberals cant read

>>127986327
>taking place in a system which could never possibly work.
>he wrote, as his normiebook account was being surveyed by the NSA, feminazis dictated his sexual behavior making him a criminal for having sexual urges, leftist media rewrote the world history he thought he knew and government agencies dictated the narrative that benefit them

also its called fiction for a reason you dumb cyka, you fucking said it yourself. you just accept or ignore the fantasy elements and analyze the message behind it you dumb fuck

>>127987967
Moving the goalposts.
"Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others" perfectly describes the current status of the left.

>>127988938
Esteban, my only point is that Orwell was a socialist.

>>127988115
it actually works perfectly
in the hour of hate, they are ordered like cattle to shout and hate the image of a person for no real reason at all and that is exactly what the retarded left is doing
thats why normies hate him, they have no fucking reason at all other than CNN told them to do so and thats why subversives of the mass media and the alt right form a cult around him
you really expected a leftist to actually read a book for once in their lives other than pro communist drivel?

>>127985295
To find out who is 1984'ing you, find out who you aren't allowed to criticize. Trump gets laughed at by everyone every single day, how the fuck are these retards saying he's like big brother? libs are fucking beyond saving

>>127985838
True, true.

Its one of those things you have to be careful about, and make sure you dont become blind and a sheep that just thinks its awake.

The global warming scam is comparable to 1984.

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>>127985295
If you want to know what leftists are, just look at what they accuse others of being.

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>>127985295
Big brother literally did nothing wrong tho

DAE think that the commie Orwell who literally fought for a commie army against a fascist army actually LOVED the right wing and thought leftists were evil?

Orwell got accidentally redpilled when, fighting as a commie, he discovered what evil pieces of shit communist leaders actually are.

also Obama was the one who was letting the Intelligence communities abuse the hell out of the 4th, Obama was Orwellian police state.

also the SocJus libtards are the ones who want thoughtcrime laws and shit while preaching how the tolerant cannot tolerate the intolerant.

this is all because Stalin didn't succeed in his purge of Trotskyite jews, who fled to the USA and began subverting the hell out of our or political parties.

>>127989577
>global warming is real, but denied
>fossil fuel industry continues to make massive profits
>so they fund climate change denial with their existing massive reserves of cash

>global warming is not real but claimed to be
>this is funded by ????? in order to benefit ???? with massive amounts of ?????

where is the motivation? how does it all fit together in your head? use occam's razor. the real scam is right in front of your fucking eyes and you're willfully blind to it.
you really think every country on earth, all 190+, all got together to agree to push this climate change thing, presenting the same facts and evidence, and the US is the one country that's too red-pilled and woke to be in on this?

>>127985295

I honestly don't know.

None of their allusions to 1984 regarding Trump really work, and it's the modern left (and obviously the historical left) that so closely mirror the themes of the book.

I mean, their adherence to language policing and mutilation is actually more pronounced and bizarre than Orwell's fiction.

I thought they'd be more inclined to go with Idiocracy which is much closer to Trump's America.

1984 is more like Merkel or Macron's Europe.

>>127989063
>anarchist
>socialist
Nigga wut

>>127986327

>could never possibly work

Tell that to leftists.

>>127990928

Orwell was a dedicated socialist. Up until he died.

He just realized that Euro-Commies were every bit as fucking retarded as anyone on the right.

Basically it's like being a Bernie-Bro, going to a rally and finding yourself in the middle of some Anti-fa.

>>127991230
If it was truly the harbinger of the destruction of civilization, I think we'd be seeing more earnest action towards mitigating it. The Paris Accord basically amounts to a giant sin-tax that won't get much of anything accomplished. It's problematic no doubt, but it'll manifest itself in the ways of refugee crises, agricultural disruptions, and population displacements.

>>127991626
Frederick Engels (1880) - Socialism, Utopian and Scientific
>"State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The State is not "abolished". It dies out...Socialized production upon a predetermined plan becomes henceforth possible. The development of production makes the existence of different classes of society thenceforth an anachronism. In proportion as anarchy in social production vanishes, the political authority of the State dies out. Man, at last the master of his own form of social organization, becomes at the same time the lord over Nature, his own master—free.

>>127991959
A fucking leaf

>>127991230
>where is the motivation
They're proposing a 4 trillion dollar worldwide carbon tax, look up how they plan to spend it. They want more infrastructure in third world countries so they can have more cheap labor. It's always about cheap labor.

"Developing countries" don't have to follow regulation of the Paris Agreement, and are instead paid to have infrastructure and "development" (not even green development) by the developed countries.

The Paris Agreement considers China a developing country.

Yes, that's correct, the Paris Agreement does not make China pollute less, it instead makes Europe, USA, and Japan pay for China to setup outsourcing factories.

>>127991897
you would think that, wouldn't you.
its the tragedy of the commons. no one state can stop the damage on its own, so there isn't much benefit in unilaterally lowering emissions - but there is an immediately apparent economic downside.
nobody wants to shoot themselves in the foot in international competition. its a game of chicken.
meanwhile powerful lobbies within every major polluter are pumping millions of dollars into asking their government to pretty please let us keep polluting, look at all the money we'll provide to your constitutents
that money is immediate, while the money lost to flooding, crop failure, biosphere collapse, drought, refugee flows is impossible to quantify and attribute, and dispersed across the globe.
its painfully difficult to get even a few major powers to agree to anything, and we need pretty much the whole world for this. So here we are. It's easiest to just put your hands over your eyes and pretend it isn't happening.

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>>127991626
kys retards

>>127986606
>Did the socialist regressives at Salon even read the book?
What do you think?
There's a reason leftists are constantly quoting Harry Potter you know.

>>127993036
An actually useful solution would be to cripple the Chinese and Indian economies, cut off "aid" to Africa, and let them all starve.

>>127986442
This has been going on forever my dude. Read Enemies (FBI) and Legacy of Ashes (CIA). I fucking wish there was one of these books about NSA but you can piece together a decent chunk if you read both of them. Not saying it isn't wrong though. Nixon did nothing wrong at all when compared to Obama.

>>127992522
Source please!

>>127992522
Right on the money, anyone who supports this bullshit should be put against the wall. If we were all going to die, we would just cap, not cap and trade. If coastal cities were going to be under water they would be talking about building new cities to offset those displaced. Instead the agreements are about more taxes and cheap labor with zero benefit to a developed nation.

Because the left are cucks https://youtu.be/1m49GSVqeOo

>>127992522
source. never followed up but had always wondered where the carbon tax was supposed to go.

>>127992522
i can't tell if this is the best or worst thing ever. let developing countries do all of our work, give us UBI, let us live in peak decadence.

>>127985540
>It fills you with hopelessness and dread
So redpilled. There is nothing you can do. Yo ure not Neo. It is over. True one redpill.

>>127985540
>O'Brien.
I was legitimately depressed for a week or two after I finished reading The Things They Carried.
I hated how the book ended

1984 is shit compared to Brave New World anyway. BNW is more plausible and we're experiencing it right now in reality. We are enslaved by our own comfort and pleasure. Too satisfied to stand up against the government

cause they havent read the book

>>127985568
This debate again. If you can't see elements of both works in modern society you are either blind or willfully ignorant.

>>127985295
Because none of them have actually read it, they just think that if they tell you to read animal farm because "you'll see" that it will convince people to join them

>Always accuse your enemy of what you yourself are doing.

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>>127992522
>The Paris Agreement considers China a developing country.
But China IS developing country...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQOBM37MH0

>>127985295
because leftwinger never read the books they talk about and never think about it sceptically

>>127985295
Rather than admit that they're part of the problem that would drive society towards a 1984 scenario they try to avert your attention elsewhere so it's harder to notice.

>>127985386
>sweetie
Why do you faggots keep saying this?
I swear this place has gone down hill since Trump.

>>127985295
>left literally has 24 hour hate on trump for years
>fighting undeniable wars on poverty, climate change and terror
>you just need to get used to unlimited surveillance and terrorist bombings
>Russia has always been the enemy!
>no you can't alter a 5 year old healthcare law millions will LITERALLY die
>smash the fash!

How can you see the modern left and not see ingsoc

The lack of self awareness is ...Orwellian

>>127987051
I think they still support capitalism and somehow think the republicans are the ones that want an authoritarian police state. Meanwhile, the hard left pushes for literal thought crime.

>>127997040
>He hasn't heard of Bess posting
Oh you poor little sniker doodle.

>>127986032
>>127985933
This

>>127991626
This is why we think Americans are dumb.

Who gives a shit about 1984.

Huxley is where it's at -- even Orwell copied him.

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>>127985295
I think, Molymeme is absolutely correct: Whatever the left accuses you off, they are actually doing. Or: whatever they are actually doing, the will accuse the right off.

Seriously: this IS what they are doing!

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>>127992522
>more infrastructure in third world countries

Once again the Yank argues against policies that would keep Africans in Africa.

Really makes me think.

>>127986629
>letters from Nicaragua
Fucking hippies

>>127985295
They lack self awareness.

>>127987052
Jesus Christ. Archive the goddamn link Ahmed, you fucking deutschscrub newfaggot

>>127997378
Yeah no shit. I can just imagine how much of an insufferable twat this bitch would be in person.

>>127986629
The Eternal, childless Boomer cunt

At no point in history have we been allowed to so openly criticize your leader and getting away with it with no consequences. And somehow they are comparing Trump with this super surveillance complete lack of freedom and though crimes society.

>>127985568
This. In high school, the regular English classes read 1984 and the AP classes read BNW.

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>>127985295

Projection. The Left is guilty of everything it accuses everyone else of.

The Left itself is 1984, so they need to hijack 1984 and make it about their opposition, which is the Right, or even even anyone in the center.

Another example: The Handmaid's Tale. It's a dystopian future in which Conservative Christians institute a police state and make women breeding stock. But this does not describe the Right or Christianity, rather it perfectly describes Islam. But Islam is the Left's latest pet project you see, so they're made out to be victims.

>>127994250
>wish there was one of these books about NSA

Puzzle Palace?

>>127985295
They can't understand that the book is against the left

>>127987368
How can a person become an author? It looks like an effortless hobby and doesn't seem too hard.

Because it's a strong weapon that can be used against them, so they take it and try to use it for their own agenda.

>>127985295
"Through Emerald Eyes I See 1776"

>>127985295
If the Jew convinces the libtard to talk about it as one of their bibles it guarantees that no libtard will ever actually read the book.

Strategy. The Jew has been manipulating countries for over a thousand years. They know how this shit works.

>>127997040
Uh sweetie, hun its a meme you dip, sorry.

>>127987018
BNW is literally the communist dream come true

It's no wonder it's never mentioned

1984 is babby's first dystopia.

The true dystopia is Infinite Jest

The Left generally behaves in bellyfeels
Blind acceptance and championing of their feelings

>>127985295
Confirmation bias.

>>128004796
/thread

>reading a book about letters by Orwell
>there is a sizeable chunk describing British elite not only being anti-racist, but not claiming the negro is superior was faux pas

I wish I could find that part in English

>>127991539

Exactly, if anything Hillary was the one who wanted stauncher internet regulations and accountability for "hate speech," Donald Trump is an ignoramous and a failure of a president but as far as limiting freedoms and increasing surveillance on citizens, he's done very little if at all.

Just another example of shitheads who only read what common core tells them to trying desperately to fit a square peg in a round hole.

>>127985466
>Obama signed off on spying on the planet, how is that trump's fault?

Oh you think they're referencing 1984 because of the unparalleled government surveillance?

No, they'll never reference that, as they log onto Facebook on their Windows 10 machine, because they honestly do not give a fuck. In fact, most of them get off on the fact that maybe some government workers are constantly watching them. How important they are! Too bad they're too bluepilled to get on the manual watchlist.

>>127985309
you're always there norway thank you

>>128005933

>implying ending up on a watch list is a good thing

Also what's a manual watch list

>>128006853
I'm saying the very people who want to be on a watchlist due to their unlimited narcissism are the least likely to end up on an important one. By manual watchlist, I mean those lists of people deemed dangerous enough to have some workers assigned to monitor their browsing in live time, as opposed to a passive data storing bot. /pol/ is a site being manually watched almost constantly.

>>127995853
The real redpill is that greatness lives in every man. Hitler was a failed artist and a drifter before he revitalized a nation in the face of economic isolation and global financial crisis.

>>128007091

Oh well, I doubt my /pol/ browsing ticks them off too badly. I know that you end on 5 separate watch lists just by browsing this place, potentially more if you're from a specific country like China or Sweden but I've never heard of the term manual watch list.

Btw if any of you cunts read this all my postings have been satire, each and every one, just so you won't forget

We is leagues above 1984 and A Brave New World

>>127985295
1984 was more a manual for the elite, Orwell was a Jew-lover.

Brave New World actually names the Jew and is a much more red pilled.

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>>127996453
He's just an edgy contrarian. It's the same throughout 4chan. On every board. Anything that is popular or generally liked is shit.

>>128008082
God I hate this meme.

People will take their soma while the government shoves more cameras up their ass. Both, on the physical level, have come to pass.

What's more destructive about the world in 1984 is that the language itself is perverted to the point where people can no longer accurately describe their full range of emotions, and the human soul itself has been subdued. But the sinister truth in Orwell's story is that the people themselves are incapable of recognizing this sad fact.

Of course, a similar thing happens in Brave New World, but the language still exists to describe it, and warn others of it. They just won't listen. In Orwell's story, not even those who want to rebel have the means to do so.

>>127985309
thank you norway. Always doing the right thing.

>>127985540
There's a strong congnitive dissonance regarding that book, were most people read and understand its message but fail to relate it to current reality.

>>128001725
spending time on this board has genuinely made me hate canadians

>>127998638
there's not much difference between christcucks, jews, or islam lel

>>127997040
It's some shitty meme. /pol/ really has gone downhill

>>127985295
The book has been largely appropriated by the right criticising totalitarian strategy used by the left.
However it could potentially be also appopriated by the left criticising the right for using scapegoats like the Jews or muslims which sometimes is similiar to Two Minutes of Hate.
But honestly the left has Two Minutes of Hate sessions directed at white males even even more often than /pol/ expresses anti-semitism.

>>128008395
>in Orwell's story is that the people themselves are incapable of recognizing this sad fact.
More like they can't accept the responsibility they have, at the end it's their choices that led to it.
>Of course, a similar thing happens in Brave New World, but the language still exists to describe it, and warn others of it.
In a brave new worlds, words have lost meanings.

I think both are happening right now to some degree.

Guarantee you this dumb bitch at Salon never read Politics and the English Language or Shooting an Elephant to fully understand the context of Orwell's writing.

>>128009584
>In a brave new worlds, words have lost meanings.

No, it is just that apathy have overtaken most people to not care about their meanings. The meanings still exist to those few who care.

However, in 1984, the meanings of words don't just fade to apathy. They are completely destroyed and reborn as some hybrid between meaning and nothingness. Consider for example, the left's redefinition of racism to mean "oppression + power." To them, the "old meaning" of racism, which is just prejudice based on race, no longer exists. And so, in time, that ideas is no longer expressible in the language. So people stop thinking it, and the powers that be have eradicated a troublesome (to them) idea.

This is Orwell's insight: that to control ideas, one needs only control the language. Even Mond had books in BNW, which still had their linguistic merit. In 1984, newspeak had destroyed the ideas from oldspeak. It's exactly what the left is doing today, trying to redefine common words like "man/woman" or "racism" or "prejudice" all for their political totalitarian gain.

>>128009406
>the jews are a scapegoat
1. Mainstream (((rightwing))) never blaims jews
2. Jews did the things and that has been proven mathematically.

>1984
>warns against totalitarianism
>warns against giving up freedom
>doublethink

Meanwhile in /pol/...
Hitler is our guy and we must follow his order at all costs! Its ok to lose a little freedom so long as the muslims, terrorists, and illegals are removed. If you didnt vote for God Trump that must mean you voted for Hillary, your a shill!

Really roasts your almonds, never change /pol/

>>127985870
Underrated post.

>>127991626
anarcho-communism

>>127985295
The irony makes me want to kill myself.

>>128010260
You know those two words contradict themselves right?

>>128008395
There are 4 books that when read in order fully explains the dystopian nightmare we are in today.

1. That Hideous Strength by CS Lewis

>Early stage dystopia. Who created this mess, why and how.

2. Brave New World

>Middle stages. The soft tyranny of pleasure.

1984

>Terminal stage dystopia. The hard tyranny.

4. Confessions of an Economic Hitman

>Supplemental reading to understand the comingling of business and politics.

Leaving even one out of this canonical list and the picture is incomplete.

>>128010151

Meanwhile in /pol/...
>Hitler is our guy and we must follow his order at all costs!
Hitler did nothing wrong, but what orders are you talking about you homo?
>Its ok to lose a little freedom so long as the muslims, terrorists, and illegals are removed.
This is wrong. We can remove all of those things while giving up 0 freedoms.
>If you didnt vote for God Trump that must mean you voted for Hillary, your a shill!
If you didn't vote for Trump, you mightas well be a shill. You are obviously a manlet cuck, and you by extension are a communist.

>Really roasts your almonds, never change /pol/

Implying you have almonds

Bump. This is a good thread.

Orwell was an old school socialist but hated communism. The average leftist is Brian Griffin - pretentious, not so bright douche bags who develop peripheral knowledge of subjects and try to pass themselves off as experts. They tend to know the Cliffsnotes versions of books. They think Big Brother was a man and don't realize BB was the personification of an entity and specifically a totalitarian, deep state type entity that wanted to exert total control over citizens to the point of sheer thought control. BB was the modern left - hate speech laws, IRS targeting, CIA hacking the Senate, bake my gay cake at the point of a government gun, shouting down speakers with whom they disagree, etc...

The Resistance is too stupid & lacking self-awareness to realize they are the brown shirts fighting protect a grossly incompetent & tyrannical government that was expanded during the Obama years & even weaponized against citizens. HRC was to be the natural, billionaire funded successor of that uber-deep state & Trump interrupted the hand off & that's why the deep state is so angry & lashing out. The left are the thugs fighting for an elite sponsored deep state to resume its rise to total control. And to think these ANTIFA dopes think they are a radical counter culture...lol.

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>>127985295
Because George Orwell was a COMMUNIST you dense fucking amerilard

>>128011128
451
5
1

>when tinfoil hat wearing plebs fall for the Orwellian meme
>not realizing Huxley's dystopia is the world of decadence we have become.

>>127996789
by that metric, every country is a developing one, as new infrastructure projects are always being developed

>>128012598
>Because George Orwell was a COMMUNIST you dense fucking amerilard

What?? Have you read animal farm you dirty kraut?

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>>128013156
YOU

DENSE

IDIOT

Animal farm was a critique of soviet stalinism

George Orwell is one of the most revered figures of the communist left, particularily the democratic wing

Do you know anything about Orwell apart from the fact that he wrote Animal Farm and 1984?
He was even in favor of violent opposition to fascist movements, meaning that he would support Antifa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

>>127985689
>le Hitler was a socialist meme
He killed off or exiled most of the hardcore socialists in the party.

>>127995853
No, the redpill is don't let the world become like 1984.

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>>127985689
Hitler privatized many state monopolies, please don't start with that shit again

>>127986442
That's been going on since the 50s. Dissidents and protestors, it was said, had to watch out for microphones in their soup.

>>127987868
Animal Farm was written to target Leninism and Stalinism, not socialism in general

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>>127985295
propaganda is a hell of a drug

kill everyone in this thread

>>128014108

Only because Orwell had a naive faith that socialism would work in England due to the English character. He didn't think too much of foreigners' ability to manage it properly.

>>128012798
Yep F451 too. Add also Leviathan, The Prince, and some Greek classics for historical insights on the nature of man and governance.

>>128013569
>implying he would support modern antifa
Your whole post is the perfect example of an Orwellian/Braves worlds where words lose meaning.
Is it how it ends ? Everyone fight each others over meaningless things leaving the place for some utopian elitist society.

>>128014225
It really is. And whoa is it ever effective as that chart shows.

>>128013778
>>128013671

>Hitler privatized many state monopolies

And provided those private organizations with subsidies, and provided the public with welfare too... I don't get why people are so triggered when you make the simple observation that "National Socialism" is EXACTLY as its name implies, socialism for the people of the NATION and nobody else. What you're thinking of, with the collectivization of all private property, is not actually socialism but a feature of communism.

>>128015119
"Pacifism is obejctively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense" - George Orwell
http://helian.net/blog/2011/11/12/morality/george-orwell-and-the-pacifists/

Violent Socialist uprisings and the likes are precisely to fight this elitist class, it's called class struggle.

>>127997286

You know what'd keep africans in africa? Sinking their fucking boats instead of offering them welfare to float across the sea into Europe.

>>128015333
It has social aspects but it's not socialism. Stop making it out to be something which it isn't. Socialism is when the means of production are publicly owned. Hitlers model was very successful, by calling him socialist you are only giving socialists credit for success that are not theirs.

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"I am well aware that it is now the fashion to deny that Socialism has anything to do with equality. In every country in the world a huge tribe of party-hacks and sleek little professors are busy 'proving' that Socialism means no more than a planned state-capitalism with the grab-motive left intact. But fortunately there also exists a vision of Socialism quite different from this. The thing that attracts ordinary men to Socialism and makes them willing to risk their skins for it, the 'mystique' of Socialism, is the idea of equality; to the vast majority of people Socialism means a classless society, or it means nothing at all. And it was here that those few months in the militia were valuable to me. For the Spanish militias, while they lasted, were a sort of microcosm of a classless society. In that community where no one was on the make, where there was a shortage of everything but no privilege and no boot-licking, one got, perhaps, a crude forecast of what the opening stages of Socialism might be like. And, after all, instead of disillusioning me it deeply attracted me. The effect was to make my desire to see Socialism established much more actual than it had been before."
- Homage to Catalonia, Chap 8 (1938)

>>128012273
This 100%
I have rarely read any comment that nails it this perfectly.

>>128015650

Yes, it has socialist aspects and nationalist aspects, it's the "third" option after all and it didn't fit into the standard dichotomy of capitalism/communism that was relevant at the time. His whole shtick was to let corporations be corporations but wall them in so that their only legal and profitable mode of operation is to uplift the German people. He controlled public art exhibits to a similar effect (See dumping all Jewish modernist garbage into freak show "degenerate art" exhibits). The state control of the "private" corporations was extensive, however unlike a communistic society the purpose was not to enslave the German public for the benefit of foreign speculators and individuals seeking to profit off cheap goods.

>>127997145
Top sweetie.

>>128015493
Not that we should not fight. But that we should fight together for the better. Those ideology, socialism, communism, are only divided because they try to impose themselves over each other.

>>128012273
>>128015831
My god, you people are so wrapped up in your own mess you can't even see that Trump and Clinton are playing for the same (((team))).

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>>128012273
Do you even know what communism means? he disliekd Leninism, not communism itself

>>128016949
We were given two choices in the general election. Trump, who has never held political office and is thus hard to predict, and Hillary Clinton, for whom the book is already written.

What would you do? Vote for the devil you know? Or the man who all evidence shows was targeted by the establishment controlled by (((them)))?

Is there a chance Trump is a wolf in sheep's clothing? Sure. But it's a whole lot less than 100%, which is what we know Hillary is.

>>127997286
What happened to the infrastructure euros built in africa? Those roads, irrigation systems, water and electric lines?

>>127985540
>graphic sex scenes

Spotted the victorian-era time traveler.

>>127991230
leaf

>>127985466
Spying on US citizens started under Bush II.

Tories have been trying to expand the surveillance state, it was Brussels holding them back.

It's neocons and far-right groups appealing to fear and reframing violence to make it palatable (ex: "X has always been the enemy, we have always been at war with X").

The push has been coming from the right.

>>127999630
by writing something

>>128018223
He didn't like Stalin's communism, Lenin's communism, Mao's communism, nor the English intellectual's communism. So just whose communism did Orwell like then?

>>128020857
Marx, Engels, Luxemburg and the democratic socialists

>>127985295

>Referencing a book the basis for which is focused on controlling language (and removing words) to control minds by forcing them to think in a manner that cannot even process any negativity regarding a persons self, status, or environment and given a release valve mechanism of short daily intervals of hatred towards anyone that thinks differently.
>Being a SJW that is focused on controlling language (and removing words) to control minds by forcing them to think in a manner that cannot even process any negativity regarding a persons self, status, or environment and given a release valve mechanism of short daily intervals of hatred towards anyone that thinks differently.

Pick one and only one Liberalism.

Idiots don't realize we are in a Huxlyian Society, but by nature they can't realize it.

>>127985540

>Graphic sex scenes
>Written for children
>Scenes
>In a novel

You didn't read the book did you? The thing that makes this book such a masterpiece is that (if you read it) and possess an ounce of rationality you side with the powers that be in the novel. The Villain in Watchmen and how they end up siding with him because of a greater good reminded me a lot of this book.

>>128021063
He had strains of sympathies for Marx at some point in life because of his affinity for the working man (yet he was a pessimist that proles could govern themselves effectively). Perhaps we're arguing semantics, regarding socialism and communism...

Orwell was a man who was skeptical of most every form of government. He clearly detested Communism (with a big C) and disliked capitalism as well.

I'd call him a skeptical egalitarian personally.

>>128022581

You may be, Britain is 1984 too a T, speaking of which perhaps Tea is the soma? I'd actually argue that you're living in more of a Mike Judge-ian society as you lack the on demand drugs, public orgies and Subhuman riot control of Brave New World.

>>127985932
They've been spying on citizens in some form since at least the 80's. Telephone to internet.

>>127985295
Leftists think because 1984 uses the word "prole", that the book can't be about them.

>>127997040
>anon says "inb4" implying he hates it
>you say "you faggots" implying he's one of the people who'd say it
>not realizing that it's a thing effeminate, left-leaning numales would say, not Drumpf supporters

get your shit together sweetie.

>>127989241
its a lie in plain sight for the left, the elite left know this, they are just using trump as a goldstien right now to keep power with their voter base.

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>>127985295
The ending of 1984 sounds exactly like the end goal of the left.

>He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

>>127985386
Hitler was a socialist.

>>127985540
That's the point of the book. It shows you a world where you have no control and free thought is not allowed. In the end, Winston's soul is crushed, and his will to resist is replaced with a love for the system.

>>128013671
Communism is not socialism. It is Marxism used as a government/economic system. Socialism does not forbid the ownership of property or private businesses. The wrong side lost the war.

>story about a Marxist hell
>resistance leader, who may or may not exist, is named Goldstein
Orwell was a fabian socialist who fought alongside Moscow center's goon squad in Spain.
I'm not sure if red pilled is the adjective I would use to describe his book.
There's a reason leftist school teachers select this text for study in American public schools, and it isn't because they want to wake the students up, either.

Because they never read it

These articles obviously are profitable. I feel like the media turned into mtv tier shit contents.

>OMG TRUMP IS DEPRESSED
>TRUMP SHOOK HANDS STRANGELY
>10 REASONS WHY TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER

>>128022627
>you side with the powers that be
How the fuck could you ever side with the oppressive government after reading that? You must be a sociopath if you think that society is in any way desirable.

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>>127997079
Anon, those are some dangerous words you're letting out! You better just listen and believe like a good boy

>>128025027

Re-read the chapter in which Winston is reading Goldsteins book.

>>128025668
Do you happen to know the number offhand?

>>128025668
No one should be made to go through that blackhole in pacing a second time

>>128013671
>The Nazi ideology goes by the name of national socialism
>national
>S O C I A L I S M
>Hitler was not a socialist
wew

>>128014784
Tbh Marx thought only industrialised societies would be ready for socialism. Russia was still agrarian when the bolsheviks took over

>>127985540
that's being redpilled, retard

>>127999630
Well 1, you're wrong and 2 you have to be friends with jews in high places to get anywhere

>>127997040
It's a meme to make fun of people who go "Uhh but Trump's wrong sweetie" but don't realize they still sound like faggots ironic or not

>>127999630
by being a jew/shabbos goy

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>>127991230
>funded by jews
>to benefit jews
>with massive amounts of power

>marxist leaf doesn't understand how things work
quelle surprise!

>>128026658
I guess North Korea is democratic.

>>128024220
>the wrong side lost the war
C-U-C-K

>>128024220
1984 was largely based of what Orwell saw happening under Stalinism. It was a post-revolution Britain.

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>>127985295
>alt-right and SJW
>two sides of the same coin start using 1984 as their propaganda piece

>Orwell was a social democrat

>>127985295
They are incapable of self-reflection.

Have the left actual read the fucking book.

>>128032628
Of course not, they removed it from school curricula under Clinton.

Used to be a required book in most US public schools.

>>128008910
Same, nobody understands it and I couldn't possibly make them understand without sounding like a lunatic.

>>127985295
They clearly didn't get the gist of 1984.

You know the left is just a bunch of pseudo-intellectual children if they think the line of reasoning

>Trump == Big Brother

Is at all coherent

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>>128037906
What happens when the kids read about the memory hole and doublethink?

Or will they remove the problematic parts of the book?