/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL - NATIONS BY CONSENT

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>NATIONS BY CONSENT: Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

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Libertarianism is a kind word for neoliberalism.

>>127977908
No, we are not liberals
>The Errors of Classical Liberalism | Hans-Hermann Hoppe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f82mHHAt6yI

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>RIGHT-WING POPULISM - Murray Rothbard
https://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

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Bump

Just so everyone knows, taxes are not theft. Don't believe it, this podcast makes it pretty clear. fccfreeradio.com/nsfw-5-31-17

>>127983403
Tl:dl on the arguments?

Are Paleocons welcome

>>127983578
Theft is using services, for instance the US currency system, and not paying the fees that keep the service running and pay for the employees labor. Taxes are simply service fees.

>>127983725
Yeah paleoconservatives are alright with me.

>>127983833
>I'm gonna do a service you didn't ask for and demand payment.

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>>127983956
Ah, the podcast explains this too. An individual does not have to agree so long as the society agrees.

Taxtortioner: "If someone mows my lawn and I didn't ask them to, then I shouldn't have to pay them."

Answer: If the community vote to have s specific service mow all the lawns of the community then you have to pay the fees of the community that go to the lawn service. Or leave the community.

>>127983833
If circumventing the concept of theft was as simple as providing some "service" that the victim didn't ask for, then prisons would be empty of thieves.

Anyway, more than theft, I'd define them as slavery, because you're forced to work for someone else's benefit without need for your consent.

>>127984282
This does not negate any of the arguments already stated in this thread. Also, no one is forcing you to work.

>>127977728
>Being a Cuckotarian
Nah, I rather be a National Socialist. You open borders, jewcapitalist faggots need to go

>>127984246
Ok so if the community votes to kill you you don't have to agree (the community consents for you) and so you aren't being murdered.

>>127984246
That violates the very nature of private property,

>>127984246
>This does not negate any of the arguments
>An individual does not have to agree so long as the society agrees.

This is not an argument.

>If the community vote to have s specific service mow all the lawns of the community then you have to pay the fees of the community that go to the lawn service. Or leave the community.

Is there a contract? Am I allowed to select a different provider of mowing services or am I forced to use yours?

Not a good comparison.

>>127984605
Yeah dude, that is like, how laws work. We vote on laws and the laws decide who gets the death penalty. This is middle school stuff.

>>127984390
I would say nature forces me to work, I don't want to starve.

I charge you 50% of your income every time you want to take a shit, but hey, nobody forces you to take a shit, it's totally not slavery so long as you refuse to shit.

>>127984522
>sounds great sign me up for single payer healthcare, an increase in defense spending, and increases to subsidies for corporations, and basic universal income.

Fucking National Socialists

>>127984522
>Open borders

Maybe you should get informed before spouting your ignorance around.

Open borders is what you get with a state. Walls and gates is what you get with private property.

>>127984753
If the community votes to have one service that they all pitch in to pay for then no, you can't choose another service. If you want another service move to another community.

>>127984939
You don't have to work. I'm sure you regularly complain about all the people who live in this country and don't work. You could be one of them.

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>>127984522
Don't be blatantly ignorant of what we are for.

Open borders is an assault on private property.

>>127984681
Private property is a legal concept that only exists because society agrees it should.

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>>127985051
> If you want another service move to another community

Well, if slaves didn't want to be enslaved, all they had to do is move to another community.

>>127985166
>You don't have to work. I'm sure you regularly complain about all the people who live in this country and don't work. You could be one of them.

So I don't have to work as long as I steal from others? Revealing line of thought indeed/

>>127984920
Filthy Democrat.

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>>127985496
You are perfectly free to move. I hear Slab City is nice this time of year.

>>127978524
I sense Hoppe was a conservative/Republican-esque guy until he realized the state is the ultimate nigger

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>>127985575
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>>127985757
>>127985808

>>127985496
Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean options don't exist. You choose society like the rest of us. If you choose to use currency then you agree to pay the fees of the currency system. If you don't like paying the fees of society drop out.

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>>127983833
This is analogous to the panhandler who comes up, dirties my windscreen and demands shekels to wipe it off again. Try a different line of argument shlomo

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>>127985742
I'm perfectly free to assume the consequences of trying to get rid of the noose you put around your neck.

I don't agree that you had the right to put a noose around my neck in the first place.

>>127985895
>If you choose to use currency then you agree to pay the fees of the currency system.

You have no right to impose a currency system on me.

>Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean options don't exist

Options are being reduced through violence. Would you agree that someone has the right to form a monopoly of milk as long as he kills the competition?

>>127986012
No it isn't. You are free to use the barter system. But you use currency, so you pay the fees.

>>127985905
Jesus Christ commies need to be purged. If this isn't evidence for preemptive self defense I don't know what is.

>>127985746
That's certainly true for me

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>>127986071
Your feels do not negate the truths. You don't have to like it, that's how it is. You put the lib in libertarian.

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>>127977728
0ch.org/

the anarchist hangout.

enjoy.

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>>127986142
My last bump. Good luck anons. Gotta go get some stuff done. Later.

>>127986071
If it were not for currency how would you trade? And why don't you use that system of trade now so you can avoid taxes?

>>127986297
>You don't have to like slavery, that's how it is.

You're just a terrible human being, but hey, the helicopter will be free for you.

>>127986454
I would trade with whatever offers me the best trading conditions. Imposing a territorial monopoly on trading systems over a extended piece of land through violence might "be how it is", but that doesn't mean it's not extortion.

>>127986469
Taxes are not slavery or theft. I have explained how and all you do is keeps saying, "but it is because I say so." You make libertarians look silly.

>>127986712
You have explained that if two people agree stabbing a third one in the back is not murder, then it is not murder.

Literally a shit argument.

>>127985283
Private property is a right that exist by threat of violence from the individual even the neighborhood dog understands this principle

>>127986646
Why don't you do that now?

>>127986847
We do.

>>127986815
Wrong. The community allows the individual to possess private property. It's math. Sorry that reality has to rear it's ugly head.

>>127987005
Then no one is stealing from you and you have nothing to complain about. Also taxes are service fees, not theft.

>>127986847
An example was raised before. If a hobo cleans your windshield without your permission do you owe him money for his service?

Do you think it is morally permissible if everyone in the community you lived in decides that hobos are the only people who are allowed to clean windshields and that you must pay them on demand after they clean your windshield at their own will. If you do not pay or if you clean your own windshield you get 5 years in prison?

>>127986847
Because my options of milk are limited by the fact that the milk godfather won't let anyone else enter the milk market and offer me milk.

>>127987232
That is a strawman as an unelected hobo is in no way comparable to a government of elected representatives.

>>127987159
The services fees are involuntary though, so it is no longer a 'service', rather it become extortion. Its not just income so you can't go down that route. Everything is taxed - even value added taxes if I want to purchase a good. Your only alternative is to 'live off the grid' - which is essentially illegal now, and upon death you get taxed anyway.

>>127987159
So if I provide a service like cleaning your windows, and the community says it's a service worth a million dollars then you are now in debt 1mil to me. It's just math bro.

>>127987232
If my community did something that stupid I'd move.

>>127987383
You're obviously retarded since I didn't straw man you. I asked you questions of my own.

>>127987542
They do a similar thing with public schools

>>127987423
that is stupid and no one is doing that yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

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>>127987596
You seem like you were educated in a public school.

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discord /42shYC

Book club, starting on monday.

>>127987721
That image is wrong

>>127987394
Service fees are always involuntary. If you use the service you pay the fees. You can move to Slab City if you don't want to pay the fees.

>>127987635
You can't apply your principle universally and so it is fallacious.

Property ethics can be applied universally.

>>127984246
lol .. idiots in a "libertarian" thread talking about how as long as "society" agrees then it's ok .. where the fuck do you guys think the word "socialism" comes from? calling it "community" doesn't make it any better unless you're a "communist" .. fake libertarians ..

>>127988026
It is universal. If you don't think it is you just misunderstand it.

>>127988118
I'm just explaining the reality of the situation. You don't have to like it. It's the truth. Your feels do not change the truth.

>>127988020
No wrong. Very basic thing to understand. They are only involuntary if you sign a contract before hand, which is a voluntary action.

>>127988371
You don't have to sign the contract. It's part of living in the country or state or city you are in. Don't like it, you are free to leave.

>>127988184
I just gave you example of "the community decides" what is right and you said it was "stupid"

I know you're just trying to troll LOLbergs but be a little better at it.

>>127988489
>You don't have to sign the contract
So it is involuntary, which is my point.

The rest of your statement becomes meaningless, and it is also wrong, but that's an entirely different argument.

>>127988525
You used a ridiculously stupid example that no one could possibly take seriously.

>>127988689
Nah bruh, that's not how voting works. You don't have to vote for it. Everyone else did.

>>127988714
Ok change the value from one million to ten bucks. Is it still stupid?

>>127988831
Still completely irrelevant. Taxes are extortion as they are not voluntary, regardless of what the so-called community decides.

>>127988887
Right, your example is stupid. Instead the community votes to hire a capable service and all is well.

>>127988995
That does not the definition of extortion. Try again.

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>>127988831
>he still believes in democracy

>>127988995
Taxes are fees for the services you use. Get over it. It's not extortion. Repeating a false meme over and over does not make it true.

>>127989041
> Instead the community votes to hire a capable service and all is well.

That was my example. You're intellectual dishonesty is appalling. You can't justify it universally, you've shown it. You just won't admit it.

Please stop I won't reply anymore.

>>127987159
Then why aren't we allowed to pick and choose which services we want?

And why are we put in prison if we don't pay?

>>127989133
>>127989286
Yes because if I chose not to, voluntarily, I would be sent to jail. That is extortion. Therefore the practice becomes involuntary, and thus it is extortion.

In addition, I am still taxed for services I don't use, so its not even fundamentally true.

/pol/ is for fascists, nat socs, and those who hate the kikes. Not for libertarian fags like you

>>127989304
You won't reply because you realize you have lost. You can't even explain what doesn't apply universally. Because my logic is flawless and I've thought this out way farther than you have.

>>127988340
today I learned that socialist community organizer obama is in fact a libertarian and my "feels" can't change that truth ..

obamacare passed with 60 votes in the senate .. a supermajority of our community has spoken .. this entire time I thought obamacare was socialism when in fact it's actually libertarianism ..

muh feels can't cope with this truth ..

>>127989436
stop replying to him. You won't convince this brainwashed tard

>>127989436
Stealing is illegal. You are not entitled to the labor of others. You wish to use the system then you pay the fees. If you use the system then try not to pay the fees you face the legal ramifications. Paying for the services you use is not extortion.

>>127989286
>Taxes are fees for the services you use
I want to send my daughter to private school, and provide charity to my grandparents, can I opt out of those taxes?

No.

If I don't pay what are the consequences?
Death by SNU SNU from niggers.

THEFT detected.

>>127989484
What are you, the /pol/ice?

This place was founded on Ron Paul's run in 2012, not that you were here for that you nigger faggot.

>>127989484
We hate the kikes. Lurk more, newfag

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Went to the first session of my econ class yesterday.
>tfw my prof is Chinese and a Keynesian
Should I reveal my power level?

>>127989770
Yes

>>127989723
for fucks sake, I don't use 90% of the services my tax dollars pay for.

I like I give shit about aid to Israel, or "gettin that oil" in the middle east.

How does that serve me?

>>127988489
You see, in order for peaceful coexistence over scarce resources, we need self-ownership.

Self ownership implies that the two ways of acquiring property legitimately are by homesteading a previously unowned property, or by trading.

The state didn't acquire the land legitimately, therefore they have no right to force people to leave their land if they don't want to be subjected by its arbitrary ruling.

Now, if you want to argue that you don't give a shit about peace, about legitimacy, and about ownership, then that means you yourself reject the concept of self-ownership, and we should treat you like an animal.

>>127989729
Allocation of funds is a separate issue from the fact that taxes are fees for the services you use and there for not theft. All of the services, not just schools. ALL OF THEM.

>>127989890
You are free to complain about the allocation of funds all you like and I will likely agree with most of it. However that does not change the fact that pay the fees of the services that you actually do use is not extortion nor theft.

>>127990042
How is smoking a cigarette a service? Reminder you get taxed even for that.

>>127989723
The government is nothing more than a monopoly on violence.

They are biggest violators of their own laws.
Drug and Human traffickers.

And suppress and rewrite history for the benefit of their Jewish masters, the banking elite.

Nothing that comes from the government is useful to the point that I wouldn't rely on myself to do it first.

Examples. I own fire suppression systems even though there is a fire department.
I own self defense system for crime prevention, even though we have law enforcement.

Taxes are theft, get over it.
Tired of paying interest on our 20TRILLION dollar debt.

>>127990153
What is the difference between sex and rape?

Exactly the same between offering services and theft. Consent.

>>127989961
You are allowed to own property because the community allows it. Now amount of mumbo jumbo changes that simple fact.

>>127990274
The community consents. Just because you got outvoted doesn't make definitions change.

>>127990153
You've not thought this through enough lol.
>because you use one thing you are involuntarily charged for everything else, and sent jail if you don't use it
Pleb tier logic friend, think harder.

>>127990274
It's not rape if the community consents to it .. If you don't like it you can leave .. Also the rape industrial complex isn't free .. Pay your taxes ..

>>127990256
None of that makes taxes theft. It's just you complaining about shit you don't like. That's fine, but it doesn't change the definitions of words.

>>127990372
>The community consents. Just because you got outvoted doesn't make definitions change.
I never consented being part of this community of sheep.

>>127990287
Not an argument. Just an appeal to nature. It is natural that might makes right, that's what you're arguing.

>>127990372
I never gave the community the consent to decide whether or not I should be raped. Not implicit, not explicit.

>>127990390
You don't have to use it. You only have to pay the fees of the system. Like if you got it the first time I said it I wouldn't have to keep repeating it. Nothing you say changes that.

>>127990496
>It's just you complaining about shit you don't like

You are so dumb, perfect answer already provided:

>What is the difference between sex and rape?

>Exactly the same between offering services and theft. Consent.

>>127990637
You consent to being raped by choosing not to leave when you know the community is about to rape you .. It's all legal .. Bend over ..

>>127980250
Justified.

>>127990637
Describing reality is not an appeal to nature. It's explaining how things are.

>>127990685
So it is involuntary and therefore extortion. Thank you. Goodbye.

>>127990783
Anther strawman

>>127990685
>You don't have to use it. You only have to pay the fees of the system. Like if you got it the first time I said it I wouldn't have to keep repeating it.

WTF how is it a service to me if I don't use it?

>Nothing you say changes that.
Nothing you say changes the fact that we are being robbed to pay for Israel's war interests.

>>127990783
Stateless, can't leave.
Go fuck yourself.
Life is not that black and white.

>>127990868
It's not a strawman. It's exactly what you're advocating.

Btw we outnumber you and we consent to you jumping off a bridge. Go away.

>>127990868
I assure you, I'm not made of straw .. I've also submitted a proposition to have you raped .. It's currently polling at 65% in favor .. It will soon be your reality ..

>>127991025
>It's currently polling at 65% in favor .. It will soon be your reality ..
Here here, I vote Yay.

>>127990817
We have eyes, we can see how things are. We don't need Captain Obvious to point them out, thanks.

Now, if you come here and try to debate, you should at least explain why things have to be like that. Not how it is but how it should be.

You're in a libertarian thread, we're talking about our ideology that has no power, no shit we're going to have to deal with how things are. Now try to deter us with arguments from trying to change and trying to convince people, or get out and stop shitposting

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13087975

>>127991312
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13087975
God bless the power of democracy

>>127991312
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13087975
helicopter for sure.

>>127991127
I second this vote

>>127991025
Can I open a vote to get his car in exchange of my service of planting a turd in his yard?

It's not theft if its democratic :^)

>>127991532
> dont like it leave
if he doesn't like it, he can grow wings and fly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s

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HELICOPTER RIDE OR JAIL, WHAT DO YOU CHOOSE?

>>127991718
makes me so mad when people trivialize my immigration situation.

if i could have left, or self deported, I would have long time ago.

This is why I support a wall, so no one else should have to fall through the cracks like I did.

How about that for a service? I fucking working non corrupt government?

All their services suck.

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SOCIALISM WILL TOTALLY WORK IF EVERYONE IS WHITE

X----D

>>127990914
You use other services and you pay the fees of those services. Allocation of funds is a different matter entirely.

>>127991634
Yes, it's not theft if it's democratic now you are getting it.

>>127992071
I dont know about that.
I think competition is essential for any sort of progress. Its not natural to just sit on your ass all day.

Seems to me 'socialism' is always based on someone pulling more weight.
And reminds me of how Jews use the Goyim, to gain an easy life off usury.

>>127992253
>Allocation of funds is a different matter entirely.
Red Herring alert.
You ignored the fact that there is still a threat of violence.

>>127991219
I'm talking about mathematical reality. You can't change math. 2>1 you can't change that.

>>127992545
The threat of violence is for stealing. Don't steal.

>>127992422
It's not murder if we all here agree to throw you out of a helicopter. It's voluntary suicide.

Btw, my definition of community and who has right to vote this is totally arbitrary, deal with it.

>>127992619
>2>1 you can't change that.
I think you've gone full retard bro.
Have you considered suicide?
I dont really want to pay for your health insurance.
Give me a break yeah?
KYS

>>127992712
>The threat of violence is for stealing. Don't steal.
Are you saying me refusing to pay for services I don't use is theft?
I am thief because I earn money?

When did america go full on incentivized looserdom?

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>>127991312
>that 1 vote

>>127992746
You benefit from society you pay for it. That's such a simple concept. If you expect payment for your labor do not expect others to labor for you for free.

>>127992898
No, you pay for the services that you use. Stop conflating my argument.

>>127992899
MAJORITYED

>>127993004
>You benefit from society you pay for it.
Another fallacy.
Countless niggers don't earn a fucking penny and just leech off of others who do.

This is why you can't INVERSE the argument.
You are incentivizing me just sitting on my ass all day like a nigger.

Or getting into crime, or money laundering.

Literally a shit society.

>>127993004
And what if I don't think I benefit?

What if I believed my money would be better somewhere else, literally causing me a loss, not a benefit?

>>127993099
>No, you pay for the services that you use. Stop conflating my argument
It doesn't work that way.
I don't use Tomahawk missiles, nor do I want my government to murder innocents or fund proxy wars through ISIS.

Do I have a choice here?

>>127993182
That's the option. The incintive is to make money and pay into the system and live a life of comfort. Or you can live off the system. You are free to choose. It's not theft if you can choose not to do it.

>>127993099
what argument? democratically determined violence isn't violence? slavery isn't slavery because it's legal? that's hardly a thought let alone an argument ..

>>127993309
You pay for the services that you do use. Then they spend it how they want. No one tells you how to spend your money.

>>127993428
>That's the option. The incintive is to make money and pay into the system and live a life of comfort. Or you can live off the system. You are free to choose. It's not theft if you can choose not to do it.

You can just hear 4 billion years of evolution going the toilet right here.

These are not the options, Trump Help us.

>>127993443
You pay for the service you use.

>>127993574
>No one tells you how to spend your money.
OH THE IRONY!

>>127993664
>g7HAdtcW
Just another nigger trying to get more gibs me dats.

>>127993600
Trump was voted to be president.

>>127993810
You are the leech not wanting to pay for services you use. What makes you entitled to someone else's labor?

>>127993955
>What makes you entitled to someone else's labor?

Who wrote this bot? Its not very good.
CIA try again!

>>127993955
>What makes you entitled to someone else's labor?
The anti-tax argument, in a nutshell. You've become a parody of yourself.

>>127993231
Allocation is a different matter than the fees of the service. You pay your cable fees but you don't get to tell them how to spend it.

>>127993664
I "pay" for services I don't use retard .. Even liberals know you pay for other people's services through redistribution .. You're even too dumb to be a liberal ..

>>127994040
Yeah, this is where I get off the threat.
Arguing with a high functioning retard of an AI program is no fun.

>>127994202
thread*

>>127994040
You don't realize you are the parody. It is you who wishes to use the labor of others for free. You just refuse to see it. If you don't believe you are entitled to the labor of others you should pay them for their service.

>>127994253
>Jeff, Jeff...the bot...its going rogue again

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What's his name again?

>>127994253
Apparently in your world the government is the only employer and originator of wealth.

Your completely diluted.

Goodbye, and goodluck if you are a real person.
You're gonna get it hard in the ass when you grow up.

>>127994202
It seems you have run into the wall of reality. Taxes are not theft. Good day.

>>127994253
Can someone pay him for his service of educating us? We're all benefiting from his labor right now and are stealing from him by not paying him ..

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>>127994497

>>127994487
That's a great strawman you got there.

>>127994497
Taxes are theft fuck face.
I will not leave without having the last word.

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Hmm...really makes you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUs_Q_rfl9I

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>>127987721
t. brainlet

Exoteric Christianity is maybe, but not esoteric. Esoteric Christianity is Hermetic and Astrotheologically allegorical at its core. Do some reading on those subjects before you post autistic garbage from people who want you to be their useful idiot.

>>127994674
Paying for the services you use is not theft. Using services without paying for them, however is theft.

>>127994882
Taxation is Theft.
Your programmer is a whore.

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>>127994610
A better picture.

>>127994951
Haha I figured this out on my own, champ. It's just logic. No need for books, videos, or teachers.

>>127994859
You're an idiot. Where's the evidence for these retarded claims?

>>127994882
So if I take your shit at gun point, then use a small amount to buy you a new set of sheets, whether you need or want a new set of sheets at all, that was not theft? Ok, dickbutter.

>>127995165
>Haha I figured this out on my own, champ. It's just logic. No need for books, videos, or teachers.

I'm telling you this type of nonsense just proves bots are posting in threads.

Anyone else understand how my comment can produce this response from the anon?
Oh and.. Taxation is Theft.

>>127994882
Everybody breathes air. By your argument, it would be justified if the government charged you for breathing

"durr, you are using the air, so it isn't theft, you are just paying for what you use"

No you dumb shit, if you don't consent to being charged for something, that is theft. Someone FORCING you to pay for something is THEFT

>>127995365
>Someone FORCING you to pay for something is THEFT
But you can just go to another country if you don't like it. Or you can start your own country. :^)

>>127995360
That's not how it works. You have to use the system before you can be taxed.

>>127995512
>robber points gun at you
"This is not theft, because you could have gone down another alley. Don't want to pay my toll again? Go down another alley in the future."

>>127995365
The government does not provide air though.

>>127995512
This is the same mentality the mafia used to have
>If you don't like paying us protection money, go do business somewhere else >:^)

>>127995820
The government doesn't provide anything idiot ..

>>127995796
It's not theft if the "robber" isn't forcing you to give money to him. You have the freedom to move. You can go to some other alley, or you can find an empty alley.

>>127995902
It's not the same at all.

>>127995732
Not true. I could live on my own land, be entirely self sufficient, never rely on another person, and I would have to pay tax on my property.
Also, a slave using the food/bedding provided by his slave master does not legitimize the slave master's relationship with his slave.

>>127995964
That is obviously false. One example is the currency you claim is yours. You couldn't make money without the money.

>>127994882
and threatening jail time to someone that never used, ordered, or even hinted at wanting your services?

>>127995820
It's by your same logic though. What about property taxes? The government didn't create the land for you, but they are charging you money for having a house on it.

It's the same way for income tax, they steal your dollars you earned, to redistribute it as they see fit

>>127996170
>One example is the currency you claim is yours. You couldn't make money without the money.
oh you sweet summer child without a single satoshi to your name

>>127995971
Except that the robber has no right to tell me not to go down an alley they do not own.

>>127996004
literally the exact same. "If you don't like it, leave"

>>127996083
Someone has to keep track of who owns what land. And they deserve compensation for their labor. Then there is boarder control. Then there are roads to get to the land, and if you want to pay for srovices you might need some cash. Or you can move to beautiful Slab City where no one pays taxes.

>>127996195
You use all kinds of services. US currency is a service. By taking currency you agree to pay the fees of the service.

>>127996302
You are forgetting that we established a priori that the "robber" is the owner of the property—in this case the alley—and he is merely collecting a toll for using the alley. The robber has a right to charge you to go down his alley, and if you don't like it you're free to go down another alley.

Let this idiot be a reminder to everyone never to send your kids to government schools ..

>>127996490
>someone has to keep track
why? and why would I have to pay someone to keep track of my property unless I asked them to?
Also I said entirely self sufficient. No roads. No interaction with the outside.
Also, even if I was a city dwelling socialite, it in no way legitimizes coercive power to exist within a society that is organized around it, no more than a slave implicitly consents to be enslaved by eating bread offered by his master. Your thinking is so basic.

>>127996293
I have exactly 707.80085 satoshi

>>127996635
us currency is a monopolized commodity that only exists because people have the world at gunpoint.

>>127978864
You should become familiar with developmental economics before you believe this image... lol

>>127996661
I never established that. At all. The term robber implicitly contains the notion of non owner of the property he seeks to control.

>>127996744
Your thinking is basic. Muh muhny is muh muhny and no one can takes it. But you don't want to pay the fees of the system that enabled you to make that money in the first place. You are the thing you think you are fighting against.

>>127996796
He has .80085 satoshis .. :D

>>127996830
Currency is a necessity of trade.

>>127996744
So everyone knows where your property begins and ends and there are no disputes.

>>127984522
>being subject to a central authority
>not being a cuck
Pick one.
Also
>open borders
Absolutely not. If we are to have private property, it is completely justified that those who own it determine who is or is not allowed in. Since shitskin rapefugees are not a benefit to anybody, they can kindly go die.
>faggots
No ideology hates fags more than Hoppeans do. Not even you.

>>127996927
See your post, and I've capitalized the important word:
>>127995796
>"This is not theft, because you could have gone down another alley. Don't want to pay my TOLL again? Go down another alley in the future."

Since we're arguing semantics, the term "toll" means a charge to use someone's property, therefore implying that the person imposing a toll is the legitimate owner of the property, or he is acting as a proxy for the legitimate owner of the property.

>>127997048
>you don't want to pay the fees of the system that enabled you to make that money in the first place.

You went full-retard on that one.

We don't make money because of the government, we make our money in spite of the government. You are using this blanket word "The System" like it is synonymous with society, but you fail to recognize society would still be intact in the absence of government. We don't earn money because the "system" allows us to, we make money by working and contributing to society.

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>>127986297
Your whims do not negate my property.
If the society decides that my property is null and they try to take it, they will find that my force is of more relevancy to me than their "consent".
Democracy has failed to preserve freedom and is a servant of communism. If that's the case, then democrats shall be purged along with the communists.
The airborne oven does not discriminate.

>>127997755
You are ignoring the mints that print the currency and the people who run the mints to insure your currency holds its value along with other basic infrastructure. They deserve to be paid for their labor just like anyone else. And what they do with their pay is irrelevant.

>>127998161
Yeah, well there is one you, and if society decides you are a problem they will remove you with superior force. Again 2>1

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>>127991025
shieet
i votes to git that honkey wife
imma get me some of dat

>>127998161
Their consent outweighs your force because their force is also superior.

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Guys, when did you grow out of the "speculation is bad" meme?

Also long time no see ;^)

>>127994466
Timothy "Tearing down the government one building at a time" McVeigh
Timothy "Vent your hate with ammonium nitrate" McVeigh

>>127994771
Yes, we prefer fascists over you. I'd fight under Franco or Pinochet any day, I'd happily bomb Catalonia.

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>>127998362

>>127995512
That's the entire idea of secession and violent revolution.

>>127998187
We don't need their fiat currency, they need us to keep their fiat currency in circulation. We can trade without USD

There was currency in society before the federal reserve existed. People will still trade without a central bank, they will just use a different form of currency, like precious metals, or bank notes, or crypto currency.

If you decentralize the monetary system in north america, private banks will be more responsible with their investing, and we wont have the same kind of economic bubbles that we currently have from the giant corporate banks who require tax bailouts

>>127998448
>70 posts by this ID
Come on, this arguement has circled a good ten times in this thread already. What is your end goal here?

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>>127998340
>>127998448
While 2>1 may be true in mathematics, you seem to ignore the fact that no two people are equal.
84 Rhodesians ambushed and slaughtered 1000 out of 5000 Zimbabwean terrorists. Does that make mathematics null? It obviously doesn't.
1500 Brits ripped 50000 Indians a new hole at Plassey. Again, does this mean maths is a spook?
One Timothy McVeigh with a single van of explosives killed 168 people and wounded 680 more. Does that mean that 168 is indeed less than 1?
Again, people are inherently unequal. One man with a semi-automatic rifle can murder dozens of civilians, that's why you push for gun control instead of telling people to arm themselves.
>>127985905
This is your game, is it not, commie?
You're not even a proper Democrat. While democracy is the first step on the long march to communism - the death of mankind (which is why it's never "real communism"), ordinary Democrats at least tend to believe in some form of rights that are more or less inalienable. You, however, believe in complete mob rule, and that's why you're a pest that needs to be liquidated with utmost care and precision, like uprooting a parasite plant, so to speak.
Taxation is theft.
State is slavery.
Freedom is a revolt.
Liberty or Death.
"And once you realise that leftists are subhuman animals who do not experience the world like we do, you realise that killing them seems no more immoral than putting the fucking steak on a grill."

>>127999743
The taxtirtioners argument is based on false assumptions and they need to know it.

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>>127999128
"Each Tyrone meme shall be matched one to one by a member of the /lrg/ old guard."
- 1st Resolution, Slovakbro

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>>128000429
Your assumption is one of complete equality and collective authority, a.k.a. the worst kind of authority.
Your numbers are going to give me pain only because it will be me who has to dig the graves for you lazy niggers.

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>>128000335
Nope. I'm all for your right to own guns. I just recognize the reality of superior force. You are allowed to own property because society lets you. End of story. If society decided you could not own property you wouldn't be able to. Like it or not, that is reality.

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Daily reminder - commies are not friends.

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>democracy is absolute
>might makes right
>(((taxation))) is a """service"""

this is your mind on communism

>>127999052
At least you are honest. You are not a libertarian at all. You are simply a fascist or a national capitalist. Your views support statism, capitalism, and authoritarianism.

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>>128001185
>Your views support statism
>even though the central core tenet of your views is founded entirely on the premise that the state is illegitimate

anon, I...

>>128000879
I'm able to own stuff for as long as I'm able to hold control over it.
The entire fucking U.S. army could decide that my house is now their refueling station and I'm still its owner in reality as long as I maintain control over it. I'd still be its owner in right, so I'd have the moral high ground, but that doesn't mean shit if aggression has taken place.

>>128000923
They never will.
>>128001185
Id take fashies over commies any day. We should still end the states domination.
Any questions?

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>>128001384
Private property cannot exist without a state. This fact has been well-established since the enlightenment.

>>127994771
>"muh traditional libertarianism"
Can this senile kike just shut the fuck up and stick to linguistics?

>>128001537
>Private property cannot exist without a state.
>why?
>b-because the enlightenment said so!
>b-because Adam Smith said so!

can you make a better argument than appeal to authority from history?

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>>128001459
fashies and commies are both equally retarded. Big government is horrible no matter how you slice it.

>>128001185
>natcap
They are libertarians.
1stirregulars.com/national-capitalism-33-precepts/
Libertarians have supported capitalism ever since whom? Bastiat? Earlier than that? Probably Smith, though I'm not so sure about him.
State is a central authority and opposing it is automatic for me. Authority comes from an actual contract or agreement and I respect it, not from the state, however, for the aforementioned reason.
Keep spewing your poison, commie. The day of the airborne oven swings closer.

>>128001692
Commies are clearly more retarded. They think they can abolish property.

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>>128001686
If you cannot understand why you need a body that can arbitrate titles with a monopoly on the use of force, in order to defend absentee ownership (private property in essence), then you really have no idea how any of this works.

>>127994771
>american libertarianism
which comes from Europe. America and so-called "American libertarianism" is based on the teachings of John Locke, who was European.

>>128001537
Private property exists so long as there are people willing to defend it, assuming there are communists in the society. After you've removed them, you don't actually have to shoot people to secure it.

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>>128001808
We can abolish private property by simply removing the state's ability to enforce absentee property rights. Personal property remains unaffected.

>>128001686
can you make an argument at all?

>>128001834
>you need a body that can arbitrate titles
>to defend absentee ownership (private property in essence)

all of these can be substituted by contract. Paying for Jamal's welfare with my tax money was never part of the deal

You are the one who has no idea how any of this really works if you're going to defend an inefficient, bloated, violent monopolized bureaucracy for the sake of it without merit

>>128001934
>we'll simply kill everyone who disagrees with the idea
>argumentum ad bacalum
So it looks like you have no argument, and you still cannot come up with a way to enforce private property without an institution with a monopoly on force (state).

>>128002038
read the thread instead of asking to get spoonfed

>>128001808
I guess, but fashies want to filter out everything degenerate because it hurts their feelies

If I wanna rip dabs and bang hookers, I should be able to do whatever I want in my own house.

>>128002128
>defend an inefficient, bloated, violent monopolized bureaucracy for the sake of it without merit
But I'm not. Unlike you, I actually oppose the state in all of its functions, which includes the protection and defense of property by absentee ownership.

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>>128001934
>Private property exists
oh ya? what happens if you dont pay your property taxes till the end of time?

>>128002360
>I actually oppose the state in all of its functions, which includes the protection and defense of property by absentee ownership.

then I don't know what we're arguing about if we agree on the same thing

>>128001989
Property is not reliant on the states ability to defend it. You can protect property without the state.

>>128002353
Yeah. That's fine, just keep your bong tokes on the D-low.

>>128002473
We do not agree. You want to abolish some of the state's functions where it enforces, say the rights of workers against corporations and reduces inequality. But you are perfectly happy with keeping the one statist institution that cannot otherwise exist: private property.

>>128002596
You cannot protect absentee ownership without a state. You can only protect personal property without a state, because you don't need a state to protect your clothes, toothbrush, house, car, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property#Personal_versus_private_property

You must be honest that you do not wish to truly abolish the state, for that would require you to do away with private property, and the only property available would be personal property. You are not libertarians, nor anarchists.

>>128002852
>You want to abolish some of the state's functions
>some of the state's functions
>some of the state

stopped reading right there. All of the state is abolished. This is Ancap 101, right there from the name.

>>128002852
I can have other people protect my property when I'm not around.

>>128001989
My neighbours can shoot you just as well as I can.
My hired guards can do the same thing. Hell, even a larger dog is often enough.

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>>128003029
>This is Ancap 101, right there from the name.
I don't care what you call yourselves and you say you want to do, because I am familiar with the arguments and the conclusions that follow lead to a society that is neither anarchistic nor anti-statist. "anarchist" and "capitalism" are irreconcilable from the start, since anarchism is opposed to all hierarchical and coercive institutions—the state merely one example among many.

>>128002145
I already did in my reply to another of your posts.
>>128003241
There it is.
Since my ownership of property I do not use seems to be incompatible with your existence, I'll gladly make sure to protect my own interests.

>>128003094
>>128003241
Yes but how will you legitimize your property holdings against someone who owns more property, and has a bigger army that can kill all of your guards?

The only way you have an agreed-upon way of legitimizing property titles is if you come up with a standard. And as soon as you have a standard, you have a central body that must enforce that standard, so it will have a monopoly on the use of force.

>>128000000

>>128003372
>anarchist" and "capitalism" are irreconcilable from the start
>anarchism is opposed to all hierarchical and coercive institutions

anarchy is freedom from state. You got the "coercive institution" part, but that's about it. Nothing more, nothing less. With that freedom, we build using capitalism on a voluntary, contractual basis. There is no contradiction

cherrypicking quotes by the way, does not refute this.

>b-but Rothbard said!

he said we're not Anarchists. He's right. We're Anarcho-Capitalists.

>>128003636
The standard is don't take my shit or me n the boys will fuck you up. No state needed.

>>128002367
I'll have a standoff on my hands.
Being on the defensive has its merits, but not against heavy technology that knows your exact location.
I'd rather take the fight to the enemy and adopt a more flexible strategy while fighting the state. Konkin might be a bit memed up in the head, but some of his ideas hold merit. Substituting the state's functions is an effective means of resistance, especially in so-called "liberal democracies". Vandalism of law enforcement buildings is more risky, but it could save my ass in case that I do get found out. After that, guerilla warfare.
No, I'm not that big of a LARPer to think that my semi-rural ordinary house could withstand a siege from the military. A single Božena and some ex-skinhead Balaclavas could make quick work of any defenses I've set up.
That enough for you, FBI?

>>128003636
>how will you legitimize your property holdings against someone who owns more property, and has a bigger army that can kill all of your guards

by having a contract with other people to join up arms in the event of outsider threat in order to secure both of our freedom?

>you have a central body that must enforce that standard

uh, says who?

Me and my neighbors can agree to respect each other's private property. No state needed.

>>128003636
>bigger army
Pick up a history book.

Using flexible tactics. If I know somebody is trying to take away my property, I'll sell/sabotage/borrow/boobytrap what I can't move and go on the offensive against them.
If he loses half his men to a doormat-activated IED that fires a projectile through a narrow corridor, that's his fault.

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That it? All the shills left?

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>>128005065
They ran outta arguments

>>128005065
pretty much

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>>128005230
They never had any arguments.

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>>128005065
Seems like it.
>mfw the proponents of majority rule lost to a handful of autists
Proved my point once again.

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>>128005521
Lol

>>128005434
>>127985821
Holy shit, way too many people are saving my shitty creations/ideas.
I nominate the Founding Father to remaster them.

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Let's finish the thread off with liberty memes

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we may have culled the horde at this moment, gentlemen, but know that the fight never ends

it ends once we get mcnuclear launch codes

ᴿᵒᵃᵈˢ

>>128006127
ARE

>>128005665
I didn't know you made terrorist ball. But I save lots of your shit. your best content is Libertarian shit-talking AIRBORNE and such.

>>128006190
Payed for by private companies that may benefit from using them?

>>128006513
I like the way you think