Why are you not a Strasserist /pol/?

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If germany had gone Strasserist they would have won the war.

Strasserism is the final redpill

Even Richard Spencer swallowed the Strasserpill

>>127969289
I agree, because Europe would be divided by the international power elite who were all kikes.
>>127969352
That's another reason why certain (((people))) who shit in Richard Spencer are D&C shills.

>>127969289
>>127969691
Misspoke. Europe would NOT be divided by the power elite.

>>127969289
There wouldn't have been a war. Strasser wasn't expansionist.

>>127969773
You're right. He didn't want a war but he said many times that he wanted to stop the spread of Bolshevism into Europe and especially Germany. He wanted to reestablish Poland and the various Slavic states and power blocs against the USSR and a buffer to be kept from Germany. However, if a war would have occurred, the USSR would have easily been pushed back by the various European nations united against it.

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>Strasser

The big flaw and weakness I find in Strasser and some of the other left wing NatSocs is that they fundamentally lacked faith in the German people; they saw national socialism as something that needed to be imposed on them, rather than something that the people would embrace by themselves. Hitler on the other hand had a lot more faith and took a long view of things; you don't need to turn the SA into the army when you can turn the army into the SA (if that makes sense)

Other than that though, Otto's treason during the war is what makes him irredeemable to me. Shill against Hitler all you like before the war if that's your thing. Once the war started though the only honourable thing to do would be to shut up. Shilling for the allies meant one of a few things:

>he thought a Germany occupied by the allies would somehow be more national socialist than Hitler's Germany (making him an idiot)

>he was so personally butthurt about Hitler that he was willing to betray his own country despite the consequences (making him an egomaniac)

>he was willing to sell out his country for shekels and social respectability (making him pathetic)

>>127970909
>The big flaw and weakness I find in Strasser and some of the other left wing NatSocs is that they fundamentally lacked faith in the German people
I'm sorry m80 but this just doesn't make sense to me. Otto wanted to put more power into the hands of the German people than Adolf did. He wanted to give people more incentive to move up in industry and he wanted to give them a proper share for their work. He also want a grand fascist council to elect a president with the powers of an aristocratic monarch but instead of being a king simply through chance of birth, he would be a king through a purely meritocratic and fascio-populist government.
>they saw national socialism as something that needed to be imposed on them, rather than something that the people would embrace by themselves.
He wanted to give people more power to embrace national socialism.
>Hitler on the other hand had a lot more faith and took a long view of things; you don't need to turn the SA into the army when you can turn the army into the SA (if that makes sense)
That makes sense theoretically, however he didn't make the Army anything close to the SA. After the SA was made powerless in 1934 he replaced it with the SS which acted more like it's own bureaucratic and political institution while the Army was under a separate command.
>Other than that though, Otto's treason during the war is what makes him irredeemable to me. Shill against Hitler all you like before the war if that's your thing. Once the war started though the only honourable thing to do would be to shut up. Shilling for the allies meant one of a few things:
It wasn't a treason though. he was being hunted by Hitler after the night of the long knives. He knew Otto would be angry (and rightfully so) after his brother Gregor's death. If someone was trying to kill you and you saw that they were fighting a losing war, you'd push for a peace with the allies like Otto wanted to. He knew Hitler wasn't interested in peace at the time.

>>127967514
Because they don't want to gas kikes.

>>127967514
Is this a larp? Doesn't sound like fascism at all. Sounds more like a soft-communism. Like how liberals see socialism as "not that bad".
>>127969352
>Shithead spencer
>Implying anyone cares that faggot

I'm not even going to pretend to know all about this ideology that I just heard about literally last week but from what you've said, OP, it doesn't sound very different from the same pre-packaged bullshit the antifa are trying to sell.

>>127971945
They would have been able to effectively fight back against Bolshevism though, which was one of the biggest tools of the kikes to spread their rule at the time. On the Jewish question itself, he wanted to send them back to Caanan or make them a minority within the country that wouldn't have the legal of financial powers to control the nation. Not to mention, he wanted to get rid of all of the corrupt elites, not just the kikes. You can take the kikes out of power but that doesn't mean that there aren't still private power brokers subverting the nation. You have to get rid of ALL of the power brokers who are betting on the nation and actively subverting and exploiting it.

>>127972314
>Is this a larp? Doesn't sound like fascism at all.
It's fascism that benefts the Volk instead of the power elites.
>Sounds more like a soft-communism. Like how liberals see socialism as "not that bad".
Communism is an ideology that seeks to spread all over the world with the end goal of establishing a resource based economy with no nations or states. Anarchism goes a step further and eliminates all hierarchies, especially social ones. Both of those ideologies are cancer and are in opposition to everything that both Otto and especially Gregor Strasser stood for. Gregor talked Adolf out of suicide once, which is ironic considering Adolf and Goring eventually ordered that Gregor be be killed.

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>>127971632
>I'm sorry m80 but this just doesn't make sense to me.

Faith in the German people to come to embrace national socialism of their own accord. Exaggerating a lot, but Strasser almost wanted a Bolshevist style "Day One", where the old bourgeois institutions were discarded wholesale and people didn't really have a choice about embracing the new order. Hitler didn't see the need to throw out the good of the old ways with the bad and was confident that people would come to national socialism on their own (as they did)

>That makes sense theoretically, however he didn't make the Army anything close to the SA.

Not sure what you mean, obviously it was not part of the NSDAP, but it was still heavily national socialist in practice, while at the same time not discarding the noble traditions of the German army. Furthermore away from the army, with the Gleichschaltung (etc.,) all aspects of life and organisations were heavily imbued with the spirit of national socialism (picture related, from the German chess club)

>It wasn't a treason though

National spirit has to take precedence over personal anger; if you can't do that then you are not fit to lead. He didn't shill for peace; he shilled for allied victory - that is what is inexcusable to me

>>127973218
>He also want a grand fascist council to elect a president with the powers of an aristocratic monarch but instead of being a king simply through chance of birth, he would be a king through a purely meritocratic and fascio-populist government.

Forgot to reply to this - this remained the policy of Hitler as well. The period of dictatorship was only ever intended to be a temporary one; this was NSDAP policy long before they even had a sniff of victory.

>>127973073
>Someone talks you out of suicide
>Order someone to kill them
Et tu Hilder? Por que?

>>127973218
>Faith in the German people to come to embrace national socialism of their own accord.
National Socialism has to completely get rid of power brokers operating outside of the state. Strasserism would have done this in more of a labor oriented way. Hypothetically if Hitler had ever died and Himmler had taken over, Himmler would have done it in a more authoritarian way in the sense that the entire state would turn into a political and cultural military powerhouse on the world stage. Both of these were superior to the Hitlerian state because Hitler was the great compromiser. Hitler was like the Donald Trump of the era with various forces acting behind the throne and effecting policy in various ways.
>Exaggerating a lot, but Strasser almost wanted a Bolshevist style "Day One", where the old bourgeois institutions were discarded wholesale and people didn't really have a choice about embracing the new order.
The only people he wanted to get rid of were monied interests. He didn't want to remove fair Volkish guild based enterprise.
>Hitler didn't see the need to throw out the good of the old ways with the bad and was confident that people would come to national socialism on their own (as they did)
They didn't come to national socialism though. Truly Volkish national socialism was not implemented.
>Not sure what you mean, obviously it was not part of the NSDAP, but it was still heavily national socialist in practice, while at the same time not discarding the noble traditions of the German army.
The traditions of the German Army were certainly maintained. However under Otto the German army would still maintain it's fighting and marching traditions but every male would be a member of the army and females would take care of children while the men were serving their country either in a war or doing police and labor services at home.

>>127974781
>various forces acting behind the throne and effecting policy in various ways.
Plenty of people tried to play Hitler, but he never let it happen

>The only people he wanted to get rid of were monied interests. He didn't want to remove fair Volkish guild based enterprise.

He wanted to do a lot of things all at once that would have massively disrupted things for a long period for your average German worker; Hitler spared them that

>They didn't come to national socialism though. Truly Volkish national socialism was not implemented.

In what way? The German population embraced national socialism heart and soul. The national socialist state was not complete (among other things it was still operating on the Weimar constitution) but it was evolving towards that state extremely rapidly. Remember that NS Germany only existed for 6 years in peace time. Think of all that was accomplished in those short six years! By comparison, 6 years ago Obama was beginning his reelection campaign.

Thinking of it in those terms gives you an idea of the monumental task accomplished by HItler, and how wrongheaded it is to criticise him for not going further

>every male would be a member of the army and females would take care of children while the men were serving their country either in a war or doing police and labor services at home.

This happened in the third reich as well, all men had to serve a year in the army and a year in the labour service (RAD)