Have you taken the centrist Redpill?

Name one good thing about Islam. Go ahead I'll wait.

>>127926394
Or how about name one good thing about modern feminism, and/or why it should still exist

>>127926394
poor thing, still so far in to blue territory. sage and move on, faggots

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>>127926394
Oh yeah, Islam is really grey right?

>>127926623
Traditionalism, modesty, strong family values, community, less degeneracy, no tax etc... I think islam has been more of a positive than a negative in most nations, specifically the middle east for example as it has stabilized many societies there throughout history believe it or not.

Centrism is another word for Marxism, it leads to Socialism. It's just a way to con people into accepting the transition gradually, two wings of the same bird flying in the same direction.

>>127927370
>no tax
Yep, you have no clue what you're talking about.
>jizya
>zakat
>ushr
>kharaj

>>127927370
We know how to do all of those things without having barbaric ideoligical views . we don't need the help of Islam

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>>127926394
Centrist will be physically removed along with democrats, communists and leftists.

>>127927789
>cherry picking one of his examples

Name one good thing about Christianity. Go ahead I'll wait.

>>127927332
You see that is looking at islam in a very simple minded manner. You realize islam has 80 something sects, who adhere to the religion very differently correct? Not only that but you have to regard the different cultures, ethnicities and nationalities who practice it differently. Islam has also been reformed throughout history, hence the different sects. Now if we're going to talk about orthodox islam, then yea it's violent (still has many positives to it though), but actual Christianity and Judaism are also very violent. Thing is that most muslims don't follow islam in the it's true form, much like how Christians and Jews don't follow their religion correctly, for better or worse.

>>127928017
His fault for defense g something he has no clue about. Try again faggot

>>127927789
>>127927928
>"name one good thing"
>names multiple good things
>"hurr you're STILL wrong!!!"

>>127926394
So who are you going to vote for as a centrist? There are literally no centrist candidates other than the jews that represent major corporations.

>>127928091
having religion is degeneracy.

>>127928091
You can not want to kill all Muslims and still not want them in your country. You know that right?

>>127926623
Mysticism.

>>127927928
Apparently you don't as your society is falling apart.

Anyways, even if you did, your original question was whether or not I could name good things about Islam which I did.

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>>127926394

When boiled down to the very basic and fundamental meanings, all things are either right or wrong, good or bad, positive or negative.

You are wrong, it's a simple fact.

> try harder

>>127927332
Islam is not for killing Christians. Muslims often forget that, though. Well, they are illiterate.

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>>127927370
>I think islam has been more of a positive than a negative in most nations
Remember to sage.

>>127928119
Forest for the trees. How is Islam going to make my life better?

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>>127927332

Saved

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>>127928370

>>127927370
>traditionalism
Yep, that's why they have nothing of value in the past 200 years
>modesty
Blaming women for not being able to control their own minds I degenerate
>strong family values
Oh yeah, I'm sure all the women who have been honor killed or had acid thrown in their face really appreciate their family, right?
>less degeneracy
But fucking goats is ok, right?
>no tax
Already answered
You are uneducated about everything, kiddo

>>127928360
Human interaction and politics is a multilayered and situational thing. Even if Islam shows similar patterns throughout the ages. Despite Islam's reluctance to change, they adopted plumbing and toilets, despite a certain other religion.

>>127928330
You would rather live in Shariah law? My political views have nothing to do with whether or not Islam creates tenable human societies. Islam does nothing good for me. Not one single thing.

>>127928651
See
>>127928119

>>127928384
it's not but he's still right because Islam does in fact have *some* good things
in particular how men should treat women
if the western world could take that part and ignore the rest we would be a lot better off

>>127928582
Yes, but you are alive. There is a code of conduct towards Dhimmi. It's not a good one, but it is not that one, either. Islamic societies also run on double standards, one for the ruling class and one for the commoners.

>>127928733
Learn to adapt

>>127926394

The proportions are all messed up in this picture but the menu is extremely detailed and well drawn. What the fuck? This dude must go to McDonalds and see this QT all the time, the menu is so emblazoned in his memory.

>>127928370
>hadiths that call for nonbelievers to be murdered
K

>>127928733
yeah! look at my comment!

>>127928741
I don't treat women like a Muslim does.

>>127927633
>Centrism is another word for Marxism, it leads to Socialism
yea, except they're those annoying faggots that always say "DON"T YOU SEE YOU'RE THE REAL NAZI'S" when they meet a far leftist

>>127926623
Muslim chicks shave or wax all their body hair.

>>127928741
muslims make their women cover themselves bcus they know other muslims will rape them if they have a chance, try again.

>>127928808
Not sure what you mean by this.
>>127928844
What about it?

>>127928043
Western civilization

>>127928091
>expecting /pol/ to see things in a logical manner and not carpet an entire group as good or bad

>>127926394
Congrats, while you were debating the infinite indefinite complexities of toast the world around you made a choice and you are on the outside of both sides that have a possibility of being on the top due to said choice.
But at least you were smarter than both sides, who still ended up killing you and ending the only earthly experience you will ever have.

>>127928104
The jizya is a 2% tax for non Muslims, which btw majority of islamic nations dont even follow. Muslims themselves though are not regularly taxed, according to Quranic law.

>>127929090
>expecting Canada to think for himself and realize you can't have Islam without honor killings

>>127928091
Do any of them allow booze and,pork?

You know, like reform Jews.

>>127928043
Leaves things very open for interpretation I guess, so that progressive concepts can take hold and flourish.
Look at music or the arts from the 1400s to mid 1950s

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>>127928815
Spoilers: he actually ordered a single banana and a small cup of hot oil.

>>127929149
>infinite indefinite complexities of toast the world
mental pleb. 14 is a very big number for him. it might as well be infinite and a waste of time to count that high

This thread is proof that only the most intelligent people are centrist.

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>>127929060
>i don't agree with something so therefore you're wrong!
no that's only part of the reason
the other part is to force women to dress conservatively so they have zero seduction power over men

and unless you think women dressing like pic related is better you really don't have a good point

>>127929060
Most muslim nations dont have mandatory hijab laws according to their governmental laws. Believe it or not, majority of muslim woman who cover do it out of their own will or religiosity e.g.. even in western nations and america most muslim woman have head coverings on.

>>127930035
>and unless you think women dressing like pic related is better you really don't have a good point
Not an argument Ahmed.

>>127929202
There's 1.3 billion Muslims out there, strangely enough, there's no giant culls of infidels, almost as if the majority of Islamic people don't commit or believe in honour killings

I know Burgers are retarded though, I don't expect you to know much about the outside world or that honour killings are coming from extremists funded by Saudis that your President signed a massive arms deal with.

>>127928796
>There is a code of conduct towards Dhimmi.
There is a blood tax literally.

>>127930169
Wow you missed the point good fucking job. Those non violent Muslims need to hold the violent ones accountable. I disagree with their capitulation to the west and eternal quest for asylum. They have to fix their own problems.

I fucking hate liberal Canadians. You don't even make an attempt to see the other side of things.

>>127930156
uhhh actually it IS an argument
because you're too stupid to counter it doesn't make it not an argument

you know what ISN'T an argument however, is embracing women's rights to dress like sluts and calling every white man who DARES suggest that Islam does SOME thing correctly "ahmed"
if you don't have anything remotely intelligent to say how about you stfu mmmkay?

>>127929286
One bad thing about leaving things very open is that people can bullshit about the values and tenants that they should follow e.g.. people interpret the Bible as having no issue with sex outside marriage, promiscuouty, materialism and greed, gay marriage, cheating etc.. this sort of openness is prone to degeneracy.

>>127928360
so you think a certain ideology can possibly know what's right in ALL aspects and situations of modern politics?

individual problems may have right and wrong ways of being dealt with, of course, but our civilization faces many of them. how can leftists or conservatives or liberals or whatever ALWAYS know the right solution?

tip: they can't.

>>127930504
It's a false dichotomy. "If you don't accept shariah law all women will dress like sluts." I'd rather take care of my own women and leave the whores out in the cold than live in Islamic culture.

>>127930156
>>127929060
you imbeciles realize that women dressing modestly was an important part of European culture as well as Catholicism for the last 1000 years or so right?
even in the US in the 50's women were pretty covered and barely showed any skin

but you're too busy thinking
>but muh mud slimes do it!
to think about the benefits of something empirically
you know muslims like to breathe air too right?
i suggest you stop doing that as well

>>127930491
>Those non violent Muslims need to hold the violent ones accountable. I disagree with their capitulation to the west and eternal quest for asylum. They have to fix their own problems.

Great, are you Christian? Funny how I don't see your fat ass out there holding the KKK and Westboro Church accountable, or the Catholic Church for their pedophile ring.

Republican? I could list hundreds of domestic and foreign policies that have ruined lives.

Don't get me started on what White people have done through history. Give me your specific ethnicity too, I can find some shitty things they've done.

Wow, it's almost as if you can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of radicals in that group. Shocking I know.

>>127930908
no it isn't a false dichotomy retarded
a false dichotomy hinges on the premise of it being FALSE

and considering that a vast majority of women in the west actually DO dress like that or similarly
>yoga pants
shows irrefutably that is in fact not false

got any other failed attempts to deflect my arguments?

>>127926394
BACK TO REDD.IT TJ

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>>127927370
>less degeneracy

>>127930955
God you're so fucking sense. That's exactly my point. We have always had it in us to have our women dress modestly. Just because Muslims as of today have that in their culture doesn't mean I shouldnt rail on the Jews in private and force my women to behave modestly on my own accord. Which I do. Pro tip, I didn't need Islam to tell me how to do it and I don't look to them as an ally for our similarity there.

>>127930908
>If you don't accept shariah law all women will dress like sluts
strawmanning
why don't you actually practice some reading comprehension and try looking at my comments again

i specifically said we TAKE *ONE* part (how Muslims treat) women and ignore the rest
how fucking stupid are you m8?

>>127931021
this guy is actually a burger, but that post was so progressive it made his flag become nation-fluid.

>>127931120
It is false asshole. Like you said western societies have in the past expected women to behave with modesty.

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>>127931254
read my other comments you stupid idiot

i never once mentioned
>hurrr sharia law
>hurr we should embrace islam and all its tenants

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soooo smart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_omHQwYh8

>>127931397
Then why are you playing devils advocate for Islam? Clearly Islam has no intrinsic connection to female modesty.

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>>127931381
and unless christianity becomes really popular and respected again and takes on some things that muslims do (as in the things Christians did in the past) and make women dress like pic related then it's never going to be like that in Western Society ever again

>>127931650
im not playing devil's advocate... like i said FROM THE BEGINNING is that Islam does in fact do some things right
and they have in fact done something Christianity has failed to do:
>keep women modest and pure in MODERN times
yes i realize there are exceptions to this
but in general Christianity can't assert any influence over the modern world anymore without adapting progressivism and liberal values
for whatever reason Islam can

>>127930491
>Don't hold all whites accountable for what a minority of white racists or my ancestors do and did. Fuck white guilt.

>Fuck all muslims. They should get down on their knees and hands and apologize to me for what a bunch of salafists and Wahhabis are doing. They should totally have collective muslim shame.

This is what you're basically saying my main man. You're just too dumb to realize it. Plus, this sort of viewpoint where you demonize a whole group and expect all of them to apologize does lead to extremism, no matter what group e.g.. whites have had enough and many are going full on nationalist for being collectively shamed and targeted for what their ancestors did and for what a minority of them have done and do.

Btw, muslims are fighting the radicals. Who do you think serves in the Iraqi and Syrian military or the coalition of islamic nations bombing Isis?

>>127927370
Kek. You're a leftist cuck. Gtfo, sandnigger

>>127931874
I keep my women modest and pure. It's obviously not a cultural thing for me. I don't argue on behalf of Christianity and western society I argue for my own success. Fuck Islam.

>>127932047
yeah except there's a big erect throbbing flaw with your comparison
white people aren't an ideaology

islam is
you can't blame someone for the actions of something that someone did who shares the same race that they were born to

but you sure as hell can blame someone for something that someone else did that follows the SAME DAMN IDEAOLOGY THEY DO
and READS THE SAME BOOK

>not all muslims
YES all muslims
the only Muslims that aren't violent are the ones who refuse to take the Quran literally

>>127932047
>This is what you're basically saying my main man. You're just too dumb to realize it.
lol I'm a bit smarter than you apparently. Nice job figuring out my position you really nailed it.

>>127932228
we're not talking about your success are we?
we're talking about western society as a whole

your own experience is not an argument for saving western society in any way
and western society is in desperate need of saving

>>127932432
>the only Muslims that aren't violent are the ones who refuse to take the Quran literally
Then, by definition, most Christians are in violation of their own holy book. Even the ones who do take it literally.

>>127932545
>your own experience is not an argument for saving western society in any way

then get the fuck out you collectivist piece of shit

>>127926623
Their women know their place

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>>127932616
noooooooOOOOPE!
because unlike the Quran the Bible has something called the New Testament
the New Testament overrides the Old Testament and the laws that fedoras like to point out
>muh shrimp
>muh stone impure women
were not only not instructive, they were contextual
they were also laws meant only for the Israelites living thousands of years ago in Biblical times
they were no way reccomendations for Gentiles or Christians in general

the Quran however does not have this distinction

>>127932661
starting to think you have a sever deficiency in critical thinking

you saying
>hurr i make sure my women dress modestly (even assuming i believe you have any women)
doesn't change the fact that western society is crumbling

if you don't care about western society then go ahead and say so
but i do
and the fact that i make my wife and daughter dress modestly and be submissive and obedient doesn't help western society either

severe*

>>127932735
No such thing as a woman knowing her place. It's about culture of brainwashing and repression, which can be a good thing if not overdone.

>>127926394
Is that Ted Nugent?

>>127926623
They genocide themselves

>>127932432
Whites aren't a religion, but they are a specific cultural group, and religions and culture at the end of the day are certain beliefs and values, they're the same shit buddy, one might be easier to change but thats it.

As for muslims, they're a group of people, not a race, but collective shaming and blaming all people of a certain race despite their different sects, ideologies and adherence to a religion is the same thing as blaming a race of a certain culture for the minority of bad apples and the actions they take.

>>127926394

have you taken the realist redpill? didn't think so. stay in limbo beta boi

>>127926394

Sauce on image plz

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>>127928119
Take a look at these mohammedapologists & laugh. You know your islamist idols will kill you for a million little reasons right.

>>127933177
my critical thinking is just fine, thank you for your concern.
>western society is crumbling
tell me that you think we shouldn't look to the muslims and i'll start to think you're serious about your beliefs.

>>127933273
>As for muslims, they're a group of people, not a race, but collective shaming and blaming all people of a certain race despite their different sects, ideologies and adherence to a religion is the same thing as blaming a race of a certain culture for the minority of bad apples and the actions they take.
no it's really not they are categorically not comparable in the way you say they are

>>127933273
>muslims are a group of people
yeah no they're followers of an ideaology/religion
i criticize said religion and argue that that religion and all it's followers have no place in my country because their religion commands them not to adapt to my country's culture and society

you can't compare an ethnicity to followers of a religion sorry
religious people are capable of abandoning an idea and changing
members of an ethnicity can't change how they were born
Muslims CHOOSE to follow Islam
white people don't choose to be white
you see the damn difference???

and because Islam has shown time and time again that it causes it's members to hate the values of the Western World and encourages them to use violence
it's a perfectly reasonable response to say that people who follow said violent ideaology have no place in Western Civilization

>>127933503
>hurr if someone says something positive about something that must mean they agree with it in it's entirety
read this >>127933726

>>127926623
2% tax on income paid specifically for charity.

>>127933503
you people that do this are like the same idiots that think that because i think weed should be legalized means that i must be a stoner

when in reality i rarely use any drugs at all except caffeine (occassionally)

>>127934047
i think you're probably from reddit and that you love fox news

>>127934047
stop letting a gooc thread be derailed by people talking about islam. that wasnt the point but is all thats being talked about

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>>127934236
wrong again fucko
/pol/ is the first board i ever used regularly

>>127934438
that's what people were talking about before i got here
that isn't my fault

>>127934477
>/pol/ is the first board i ever used regularly
oh so you are new here. figures.
>>127934438
it was always a shit thread from the very beginning

>>127926394
Shoah yourself, now!

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>>127933571
Protestant Christians refuse to do it
Catholics don't care
and the other religions are too obscure to care about

but either way all i said is that
>Islam treats their women correctly
and you took that as
>WE SHOULD ALL LOVE ISLAM
>ALLAHU AKBAR
>KILL THE INFIDELS!!!!

just to reiterate I DON'T think Islam is a good religion in any way
in fact i HATE Islam because I'm a Christian and Muslims are a DIRECT THREAT to me and my family and friends

but the simple reality is that they are the only religion in the world that has caused entire countries of people to treat women the way they ought to be treated:
as children/animals/property

though they even get some things wrong there like beating women with sticks

>>127934608
I've been here for the last 4 years
but yeah sure I'm
>new

>>127934944
>Islam treats their women correctly
>though they even get some things wrong there like beating women with sticks

you're pathetic

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>>127927370
>I think islam has been more of a positive than a negative in most nations, specifically the middle east for example as it has stabilized many societies there throughout history believe it or not

Gonna go with not

>>127933004
I was talking more about I never see anybody taking the shirt off their backs for complete strangers and choosing to live extremely modestly so that they can give all they have to others.

>>127935057
>4 years
you're still in preschool

>>127935090
are you unironically retarded?
you realize that when i make a statement that it isn't black and white
the fact that there are exceptions to what i said does not make it wrong

idk why i waste my time even talking to blatantly incompetent idiots
it's just so hard for me to resist trying to force you to use logic and confront your stupidity

>>127935057
I've been around since Tom Green's web of vision was barrel rolled.

>I'm still a newfag

>>127935310
thanks oldfag
i knew you would say that

>>127930035
Taytay???

>>127935313
islam doesn't treat their women correctly.

>you realize that when i make a statement that it isn't black and white
idk why do you make statements that you don't even believe? how am i supposed to understand your argument if everything you say you can go back on later?

i think you are much more deficient than you're admitting to yourself.

>>127926394
There are several partisan ideologies that claim to take in the nuances of politics. Most do, in fact. Centrism is absolutely no different. It's an excuse not to have conviction, however you will always be a spooked moron, so you'll be think through an ideological lense regardless. Given that there is no centrist line, I see you as nothing but a group forged by accidental and I enlightened egoism.

>>127926910
modern feminist shouldn't continue to exist, because it plays on psychological weaknesses and promotes the sexism it was birthed to stop, and thats before you even get into the politics of today and it's affect on it through intentional and unintentional actions taken rather than by virtue of being a thing that exists.

Normally when you look at what op is talking about you are supposed to realize that these are diverse groups that are not at all homogenous and generalizing them only leads to more polarization, which breeds more extremists which breed a worse living environment.

Being a realist is better than being a centrist, because you realize issues like immigration are overall bad for countries, you don't tote around in the middle ground trying to find the answers.

>>127935271
well my point being that the Quran does in fact encourage violence towards infidels and those that are a threat to Islam

so when people say
>but Islam is a religion of peace!
no... no it isn't
violent Islamic extremists are not wrong
they're doing what their religion tells them to do

just like a Christian who gives all their stuff away to the poor would be doing what their religion encourages them to do
but the Bible doesn't tell us that we have to live destitute all our lives or we're not a real Christian but it does tell us to be giving and to help others even at our own expense, you're correct
and you'd also be correct in saying that a lot of Christians are stupid selfish dirtbags who aren't really Christians at all and just claim to be
but at least they're not violent
and nothing in the Bible encourages violence unless you misunderstand it

which leads back to my original argument that Christianity is compatible with Western Society (and in fact is largely responsible for Western Society)
while Islam is clearly not compatible

>>127929286
>very open to interpretation
did you just ignore the wars over the protestant reformation or something?

>>127935487
if I say that Muslims treat their women correctly does not mean that because some Muslims beat their women and I don't agree with it means that they my original statement was wrong

just like how if i said
>White people are more successful
is not defeated by the fact that there are a bunch of white rednecks living in sheds in the boonies
you get it?

>>127933004
>implying there aren't tons of new testimant verses where jesus says blatantly the old testiment is not to be ignored.
wow its fucking nothing.

>>127933726
Are you saying you dislike muslims that actually follow islam in its true manner I.e.. wahhabis and salafists? If yea then I have no issue with that, but again, keep in mind that most muslims aren't salafists that there are different sects in islam and different schools of thoughts that adhere to Quranic law, islam and sharia differently e.g.. an Alevi, ahmadi, alawite or Sufi muslim is probably less radical than an evangelical or many Mormons and catholics.

Problem here is that most people don't know the huge differences between muslim sects and school of thoughts. Not even mainstream muslims like Sunnis and shias belong to one school of thought or sect, there are literally sects inside sects.

If you were to put a twelver Shia, or Sufi, or mainstream sunni in the same group as a salafist or Wahhabists (Isis, alnusra, alqaeda) then you would be an idiot.

Btw, to adress your other point, if we're going to use your logic and say that muslims are only muslim when they actually follow their religion correctly, therefore #yesallmuslims then same should apply to Christians and Jews, so by your logic #YesallchristiansandJews as the Bible and Torah are pretty violent and barbaric.

>>127935933
>but at least they're not violent
I would argue that if you pick any random belligerent off the street, there's a significant chance that they are nominally christian.

>>127936070
thanks for clarifying. maybe next time you can say "some muslims treat their women in a way that i agree with" and then i'll know you're arguing from completely subjective premises so i don't have to waste my time talking to some bumbling moron.

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>>127936138
>not to be ignored
>means that you must follow it 100% and everything in it is correct
>despite Jesus directly saying that his new teachings overrride the Old Testament traditions
gee it's almost like you never read any verses in the Bible aside from the ones you Googled to attempt to btfo Christians!

>>127936214
if they don't go to church more than 5 times a year and don't read the Bible and don't even try to follow the Bible they're not Christian

>>127927933
Crapitalists that actually make money are comfortable exploiting the system. They simy commodify and pacify the opposition. There will be no capitalist revolution because we already live in a society ideal for the elites, who are the actual change makers.

>>127926394
>whether it be islam, immigration, white issues, black issues, feminism, globalization etc.. there are good and bad in all of them.
There is nothing good about Islam and modern globalization.

>>127928119
>Doesn't name anything good

>>127936308
>“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18)
>not 100%
god will show more favor to me, an athiest and protestor of his cruelties and crimes than you, a pretender to his name and flock.

>>127935868
Most people regardless of ideology claim to be realists. They claim that their ideology is based on reality. Realism isn't a fucking position.

>>127932616
Yes, they are. Christians pick and choose and hate based on their own prejudices, nothing god told them.

Still, it's not the Christians in the middle east bombing people. The extremely impoverished take religion and use it destructively, killing people every day because of God.

It would be preferable to minimize the risk of terrorists entering, but to ban Muslims would be persecuting a race, and if we did, they'd claim we are scared of them (watch a pol faggot respond to this and only this).

They would also just piggy back on other people, Africans, indians. They'd just lie to get in.

>>127936248
we've already established that I'm the smarter one here
nice try

the point is stop thinking in absolutes
you can't just dismiss general statements because there are exceptions

and if im being 100% practical than beating women with sticks would in fact be allowable to do if you already accept the precept that women should be treated like property
and i do accept that precept

but i personally disagree with the idea that women should be injured just like i personally disagree that a dog owner shouldn't injure their dog for pooping in the house
but they should be legally allowed to do so because that dog is their property
i still would think they're a piece of shit for injuring their dog however

but im guessing my tangents are just going to confuse you even more

>>127927370
>less degeneracy
I see you've never interacted with a muzzie. They wipe their arses with their hands. They're so base and degenerate a race that they have to make women look like letterboxes to stop them being raped.

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>>127935868
actually no it fucking doesn't. being an extremist as you mentioned not finding middle ground doesn't make you more effective, but less so. centrism as inherent value is a fallacy, but there is a very good reason why it's still the most EFFECTIVE means of politics; you make fewer enemies and your enemies will have a harder time villifying you. the polarized and brainwashed right and left masses think they are in an eternal war with eachother, when really they are pawns in a chess game that they cannot comprehend, not becuase of it's grand scale, but because of how simple and petty it all really is underneath the suits.

>>127932047
I'm going nationalist because too much diversity like Muslims are flooding the country. They don't belong here. There are things such as in groups and out groups. Muslims are shit.

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>>127926394
Centrism is the complete opposite of a redpill, by definition, you troglodyte.
You Objectivist twats deserve to be shot in the face with a shotgun. Fuck off.

>>127936652
Christians aren't bombing or killing in the middle east cause muslims are the majority there, but look at africa or south america and you'll see shit ton if Christian militias and nations doing fucked up shit, btw, most muslims aren't from the middle east.

>>127936517
sooooo looks like when I said that you don't understand the Bible or Jesus or Christianity was... exactly correct!

and if you knew anything about Christianity or the Bible you would know that strict adherence to rules or traditions is not what's important
so even if your misinterpretation of that verse was correct (which it isn't) it wouldn't matter because all that actually matters for Christians is that they're saved and they ask forgiveness for their sins
not making sure they don't accidentally break a rule

>>127926623
When i was last in the UK it was snowing hard, an old white lady slipped and fell in the snow, two white women just walked past, one white youth laughed and two muslims helped her up and made sure she was okay. Nuff said.

>>127926394
I need to get normal pilled again. I feel so insane after all the years of being right wing.

>>127932616
My in group versus you shitskin outgroup.

>>127936652
tighter immigration reforms would deny them entry unless they can fulfill qualifications that wont be easy to match and therefore much harder for the brainwashed masses to come in and wreak havoc. Refugees can come but they get to live in concentration camps, not the rest of the country

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>>127936652
>because of Allah
ftfy

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>>127926394
yes the world is a rich tapestry in shades of grey

wolves are still trying to eat you

stay woke 4ever

>>127936886
This is what I'm on about. A "person" like this can't be reasoned with due to low I.q.

Muslims can also turn around say that you westerners walk with shit residue on your asscrack since you wipe and not wash and that your woman are sluts who can't stop cheating and whoring around, which is worse in my eyes than a bunch of woman in Burkas.

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>>127926394
>I can't go back to being right wing or left wing after realizing that the world isn't black and white, that literally everything is complicated and complex, whether it be islam, immigration, white issues, black issues, feminism, globalization etc.. there are good and bad in all of them.
ie you are just a fucking brainlet who can't make any sense of the world around you. I bet you are just an atheist as well.
Relativism is not enlightenment, it is blindness. It's the trap that prevents you from seeing truth clearly, just fucking smokes and mirrors used by people who don't want people to see the truths that exist today.
If you buy the presuppositions of relativism, there is literally no reason for you to ever do or not do anything at all. Boom you now live in utter nihilism, great job cuck centrist.
Man up and find the truth or kys and stop hogging resources. Since you can't come up with a reason to stay alive anyway.

>>127936715
I just want to say you do your own sexism side a complete disservice. and you are a moron if you think animal abuse should be legal is a popular opinion on 4chan.
t. tits and gtfo

>>127936977
>you'll see shit ton if Christian militias and nations doing fucked up shit
if by shit ton you meant
>2 or 3
then you'd be correct

and i think we both know that poor people in backwater countries don't need religion to kill each other and be degenerate

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>>127926394
i'd heat up that spatula first a bit

>>127937292
you should read what i said again instead of skimming

i specifically said that i hate animal cruelty
and im glad that it's illegal in most states
but logically it doesn't make sense because animals are property and people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their own property if it isn't hurting another human being

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>>127937292
wait a minute
>t. tits and gtfo
>t. girl
>t. grill
TITS AND TIMESTAMP OR GTFO

>>127936908
Muslims are 1% of the u.s and have higher incomes and more college degrees than most religous groups, along with Hindus, so if you're actually going nationalist because of them being here, despite them being a better community than let's say blacks or hispanics, then you need to rethink your stance.

>>127936985
>and if you knew anything about Christianity or the Bible you would know that strict adherence to rules or traditions is not what's important
actually it is you fucking retard. you don't have to adhere yes, because of forgiveness, but your attitude is not that of the guilty but forgiven, you look on others with derision and condescension for having them look upon the laws of your infinitely wise god and find them wanting. You seperate yourself from the wisdom of the bible, declaring swaths of it obselete merely because you are forgiven. You are a pretender. pure and simple, holding yourself above the OT and claiming the OT is defunct just because you can get away with crying tears. But you forgot that god doesn't care for crocodile's tears.

>>127936400
Wouldn't that be the same claim made against peaceful Muslims?

>>127937272
welcome to western civilization

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>>127937773
forgot pic

>>127926394
>have issues with black and whiteness of politics
>still using Estates General terminology instead of going to the ancient view
gaybo

>>127936893
You masked a good case for the pragmatism of your ideology, however typically the pragmatic cause is one with a goal. Anyone of any ideology can act in a subversive and low key manner. If the status quo is the problem, then it stands to reason that a centrist within any particular societies Overton window, would be both unable and unwilling to overthrow it.

So if one man has a radical goal, then does he have any use for the centrist mode of thinking, or only the centrist mode of acting?

The centrist thinker is a redundant drone. The centrist actor may not actually be a centrist.

>>127937320
Search up the African Christian militias in Africa going around committing mass murder and genocide pal.

>>127930042
Women are easily brainwashed. What's your point?

>>127937468
>logically
Laws have a basis in ethics.

>>127937085
>Concentration camps.

How are you serious right now.

They'd have more luck concentrating people who frequent white nationalist aND extremist websites.

So concentrate Muslims and extremists I guess.

Don't say not all extremists now.

>>127937320
you should be able to put together the fact that if they aren't killing for christ when they say they are, then they are no different than muslims, who are now not killing for allah even though they say they are.

>>127937468
I don't need to read and respond to everything you wrote. I see you in every thread shilling edgy memes and acting like a twat, I'm very familiar with you even without having directly addressed you until now.

Hating animal cruelty and being glad it is illegal is not the same as wanting for an owner to be able to hit their dog with a stick because it's his property. theyre complete opposites. You go on to argue a bunch of bullshit on logic because people can do whatever they want with their property. Welcome to being the enemy of this entire website.
>>127937599
are you some kind of idiot?
>tits and get the fuck out
only the newest of newbitches would ever fall for this fossilized meme.

>>127937359
Can you not hold a serious conviction to the concept of moderation?

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>>127937642
listen pal
unless you're going to go to Church and actually read the Bible than why don't you stop pretending like you know what you're talking about because you're just embarassing yourself

the whole idea Jesus was trying to give to people
for example when he made a tax man his disciple (even though collecting taxes is considered sinning)
or healing people that the Jews considered unclean sinners was that Christianity was about forgiveness and redemption not strict rules and regulations

i would imagine you get mad when some idiot comes and tells you how stupid you are because of some outdated concepts about astrophysics or evolution that they assume you must agree with
well guess what?
the same rule applies to you
either do some actual research about Christianity and come back and argue about it when you're done
or don't talk about Christianity you stupid buffoon

>>127937109
PRAY THE GAY AWAY OR DIE!

I love jesus he would have supported the holocaust like me

>>127938103
My point was that most muslim woman aren't forced to wear the hijab.

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>>127937718
yeah! i don't see why not!

if Muslims aren't violent, don't stone women or force them to wear hijabs and don't kill infidels they're not real Muslims!

>>127937928
Could not a reformer be a centrist?

>>127938085
>literally the one example
is this the only argument fedoras have?

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>>127937928
centrists can be actors. but their actions must unite people, not conquer them, unlike the actions of the right or left, which seek to oppress and eliminate those of different mindsets through one means or another.

The major political goal of a centrist could be uniting people undernuclear power in a non partisan way, or shilling the virtues of confederacy, so that people of different values could enforce them on a local level, and people would be forced to pay more attention to their local level instead of having a big meme war over a president that can barely act in anyones favor, all the while corporations and media funded by them saps our will with decision fatigue.

A centrist can combine our efforts and eliminate objective worthless aspects of society like pennies and nickles, they can champion issues that are not politicized and could be fixed easily but are ignored for angry media shitstorm issues like abortion.

radical centrism is the real deal

>>127938123
that doesn't mean they're correct
America's laws and government were founded on the principles of freedom and liberty
just because it would be unethical to allow people to commit suicide doesn't mean we should stop them

same goes for stopping people from doing dangerous drugs
and same should (logically) go for animal cruelty

IDEALLY any laws stopping people from harming themselves or their property woudn't exist

>>127938509
I feel like there are many people who would disagree with your assertion.

>>127938613
And the middle east and third world country's are the only places where muslim militias are going around killing people dude, they're not doing it in uae, Qatar or any muslim nation with high GDP and standards of living.

People's radicalism goes down as living standards, job opportunities go up, no matter the ideology. The saying "hard times create tough men and good times create weak men" applies to this discussion.

>>127938177
how the hell would you not have any luck concentrating refugees. they have to cross an ocean to get in america. you build >muh wall, coast gaurd their asses, and then tell them they can either get in the camp or be deported, in the camp they will be "safe" from starvation but they can't go around race mixing and raping our duaghters or do terrorisms. If they want in the actual country as a free person they can naturalize and apply for visa like any other fucking immigrant.

>>127938345
Christians get really pissed when people call them out for cherry picking their little book.

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>>127938188
i don't think i should even respond to you anymore
nothing but
>non arguments
>assumptions
>generalizations
>imaginary rules
>even broader generalizations
just kys desu senpai

inb4
>so i guess you don't have any arguments!
>way to lose!

>>127939119
cherry picking=/=being blatantly wrong

>>127939113
Okay same with extremists here. I don't want to take the risk that you'll murder someone innocent or rape a girl and make her a single mother or deal hard drugs. Get in the fucking camp.

>>127938561
I would argue that unless his centrism is Independent of the Overton window I.e that it is an ideology that is only centrist in certain contexts, then the centrist cannot be a reformer, only a reaction to change.

If the pragmatism if the ideology is as the person I responded to claims, being tied with the decreasing chance of making enemies, then I'm assuming that the brand of centrism we are speaking is either plastic to the Overton window, making it conformism, or pertaining only to the current perception if the term, making it conservative regarding the current status quo.

Either way I think what we have now is rotten and that centrism as an ideology isn't useful.

>>127938345
>the whole idea Jesus was trying to give to people
>for example when he made a tax man his disciple (even though collecting taxes is considered sinning)
>or healing people that the Jews considered unclean sinners was that Christianity was about forgiveness and redemption not strict rules and regulations
it's like you don't even read the shit you write.
Christ is about forgiveness and redemption, but that involves having the guilt and admission to having done something wrong when you ignore the OT, which is the exact opposite of your behavior, you are commiting blasphemy by calling it unimportant, and stating that it is defunct even though it is not, and your idea of redeaming yourself for this act is to cry crocodile tears to god while you go around spreading a story that he's all too happy to let that transgression go. He isn't. you have to believe you have done wrong to ask for forgiveness. every OT law you break should wear on your soul so that christ can cleanse it, not be mocked as some kind of dirty past that christianity has "moved on from"

>>127939034
>And the middle east and third world country's are the only places where muslim militias are going around killing people dude
considering these same militias aka ISIS are killing people in Europe and America quite frequently that's wrong straight off the bat

and ONE example of some lunatic "Christians" killing people verses literally thousands of examples and several Muslim governed countries being very violent to non Muslims and killing even other Muslims
reeeeally doesn't help your argument

>>127927370
>strong traditional values
Ask the people about to commit honor killings that.

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>yfw based Trump has been a centrist all along

>>127939348
good for you, now make an ammendment in the constitution allowing you to do that to a natural born citizen of this country. refugees are outsiders fellow burger.

>>127939507
>Christ is about forgiveness and redemption, but that involves having the guilt and admission to having done something wrong
this is the only part you were right

you've already indirectly admitted you haven't read the whole Bible
and I'm going to assume that you saying you're an atheist means you haven't been to church in many years
that means that you don't have a clue what you're talking about and you should really just stop trying

you want me to use some debunked ideas that Charles Darwin had to "prove" that evolution is fake?
because that's the equivalent of what you're doing right now.

and like some other anon I was talking to just because the Old Testament is made obsolete by the New Testament does not mean you just throw it out the window
there are a lot of good things in the Old Testament that you should (and I do) follow
like Psalms and Proverbs for example

but when they directly contradict Jesus' teachings that's when you disregard those specific passages

>>127939202
>muslims are bad, so that means I can just go out saying god told me to do whatever I want because at least I'm not like those people in the war zone.

It's ok to murder gays because at least I'm not isis. It's alright to genocide native populations and forcibly change them to my religion. Its ok to go to Africa and ask someone to believe in Jesus or starve to death.

The muslim kill count hasn't even begun to reach the Christian one.

Still you openly admit your hypocrisy.

>>127939536
I'm talking about en mass. You don't see militias in Europe or america or most of the muslim world (only warzones) going around murdering people, but individuals backed up by certain Islamist organizations. Christians are murdering people in Africa of different religions and adherence though dude. They are dues vulting everyday lol.

>>127939536
>I have never seen or heard of the protestant reformation
>what even is africa? is it a snackfood?
ignoring that christianity was and in certain places still is no different blinds you to the reality that muslim poison can be reformed just as christcuckery has

>>127939768
I'm starting to think he might be
and I'm dead certain he's not a Christian
but considering he does everything that Christians and conservatives want him to do
I'd have to say he's a pertty great leader so far

>>127938821
So it's to the end of uniting a society. Regardless, we must still decide to what end we progress to if not simply stability, and even if this stability can be achieved. All in all you share a similar goal with many ideologies, each with a method of attaining this peace, and each finding it necessary to operate in a partisan manner, often after centuries of philosophical and political deliberation.

Many see inherent rot in many things, even in democracy and capitalism themselves. Therefore centrism is incompatible with them, and falls into rank as simply another ideology in the ocean.

>>127939909
...what?
you link the wrong comment bro?

>>127926394
>being an undecided cuck
>redpilled

TOPKEK

>>127926394
>Islam
Okay religion but it belongs in its homeland being practiced by its people.

>Immigration
I don't want shitskins to flood my country and anyone who does is a retard. Period.

>White issues
I don't want to go extinct.

>Black issues
They are racially inferior. They should be allowed to live unmolested in their own lands.

>Feminism
Women are more equal than they deserve to be already.

>Globalization
Evil.

"Centrism" is cowardice. You refuse to take a meaningful stand on anything and simply adopt a wishy-washy non-policy that allows those with actual agendas to continue with them while you pontificate about how enlightened you are.

Also your pick is kike shit. TJ Kirk should be drowned in a cage.

>>127939887
>you want me to use some debunked ideas that Charles Darwin had to "prove" that evolution is fake?
go ahead nigger
post me a verse that says forget the old testiment and that thing I just said that I already linked.

>I don't know what obsolete means
>I don't know what the words pass from law means
maybe you should read this again christcuck
>>“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18)
Is the earth and heaven gone? no? then all of the OT applies. you want to say otherwise? pics or it didn't happen.

>>127939779
Good for me. The country is subject to human rights legislation and a constitution. Good luck stopping them from getting in. You can't ban a religion fucktard and you can't discriminate

>Natural born citizen

You mean like Pablo?

>>127938887
Why? Because America was founded on these principals? That's as arbitrary a reason as any. Think for a second and believe in the laws that please your ego, not ones bound to spooky bullshit like the founding precepts of dead men.

>>127940224
>I don't want to go extinct.
It's extremely unlikely that white people are going to go extinct anytime in the foreseeable future.

>>127939954
you didn't say en masse
and ONCE AGAIN

the amount of Muslim extremism, terrorism, and violence VASTLY outnumbers the amount of Chrisian violence
name 5 Christian terrorist attacks in the last 40 years (there's only been one)
and then compare that to the amount of Muslim terrorist attacks in the last 20 years

so you can really only make one conclusion from all this
Islam is a huge threat to Western Society
and Christianity is not even remotely a threat

>>127940114
Yeah sorry.

>>127929090
I group all Canadians as peices of shit because they always spew shit everytime they type without fail.

>>127940087
I didn't say everyone agreed with centrists, just that centrism doesn't breed as much opposition. taking a radical stance will earn you more enemies and more scorn. which will styme your every effort to enact change

>>127928091
You would be right if you weren't wrong, Muslim's WANT correct Islam as it is stated in the Quran. They are following a violent religion, in a violent way.
I hate it when people with no source talk bullshit, then people say
>expecting /pol/ to see things in a logical manner
Here is my source.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/738852/British-Muslims-Sharia-Law-enforced-UK-Islam-poll/amp

>>127940362
No, it isn't. South Africa is on the verge of a race war which the whites will lose, and they WILL be exterminated just like the Haitian whites were.

Within two or three decade at this rate, whites will be a minority in many European nations. Do you think the blacks and Arabs and Persians there feel any better about the whites than the Black South Africans do?

They do not. I do not want to watch my people be subjected to fucking GENOCIDE. This is a perfectly rational fear.

>>127940228
ONCE AGAIN

and this time pay attention
I *DID NOT* say that Christians should IGNORE the Old Testament
I SAID that Jesus' teachings override outdated traditions that get their authority from the Old Testament

you done being retarded yet?

>>127940372
>name 5 Christian terrorist attacks in the last 40 years (there's only been one)
wow, its like this nigger thinks abortion clinic bombings and shootings aren't terrorism.

You need both sides for a whole picture, OP.
You'd be nowhere without either.
Quit feigning transcendental insight you pretentious fucking cockmongler.

>>127940600
It's mathematics, man. There are a ton of white people. If you really are worried about an ethnic group taking over the world, how about the fact that 1 in 3 humans are han chinese?

>>127940471
Right, instead of gaining opposition, you just accomplish nothing.

>>127940629
>I *DID NOT* say that Christians should IGNORE the Old Testament
>I SAID that Jesus' teachings override outdated traditions that get their authority from the Old Testament
I see two statements that are both completely ignoring what I already posted. are you done yet? I don't see any proof you said you had of how somehow the Old testimants laws don't ALL apply when jesus said NONE shall pass from law.

>>127940351
it isn't some mysterious or mystical practice to try and ascertain the intentions of our founding fathers or the implications behind the way the Constitution was written

our laws were meant to protect our rights and liberties
not have the government enforce their ethical standards on us
you telling me you agree that suicide should be illegal and that using certain drugs should be illegal but other drugs that the government deems fine (see: profitable) should be legal?

>>127940730
wrong. as already explained. or do you think the american revolution would have been possible if everyone fought for what they truly wanted instead of what they could all agree on together?

>>127940471
I wasn't saying that centrism was mutually applicable. I was saying that is in no way curious or special. In fact evens it's effectiveness as a tool is limited. It has high potency but very little reach, if you get what I'm saying. It can get you from a to b easily so long as b isn't radical change.

>>127940600
>>127940727
Oh yeah, one more thing.
>my people
I'm pretty sure that you come from a distinct ethnic line, so you could count between 1 and 5 ethnic groups as being "your people". Not the entirety of Caucasians, which is a taxonomy that includes Middle Easterners.

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>>127940855
>doesn't attempt to read the Bible
>doesn't attempt to understand the Bible or anything written in it
>takes one verse out of context and runs with it
>calls Christians hypocrites for not following his principles that he ascertained from that one verse
I'm just gonna ignore you now
you're too stupid and wilfully ignorant for me to keep trying to talk sense into

>>127940727
No, there are not. We are the smallest of the major racial groups, and most white countries are now rapidly being flooded by shitskins who hate them.

You have your head buried in the sand. You just don't want to upset anyone by saying the truth, our race is in decline. If you don't want to stop that--that's fine, just admit that you don't care about the white race. Just say it. Admit it. Then I can ignore you because you as the suicidal genetically deficient mongrel that you are.

>>127940977
Actually I do, because the American Revolution was fought by a fraction of the population, holding an extremely radical agenda. The first constitution ever forged, radical federalism--that was not a "centrist" position you fucking cuckold, you don't know anything about the history of the 18th century. The Founding Fathers, particularly Washington and Jefferson, were as radical as it came at that time.

>>127940372
I was obviously refering to militias. Why are there no muslim militias going around murdering people in stable muslim states? Why is it that these things only occur in warzones or failed states like Afghanistan, Iraq, syria, Libya and not in Iran, Saudi Arabia, uae, turkey, jordan, Egypt etc..

I agree islam is more militant than Christianity and Judaism when all are practiced fully, but not by much.

>>127940629
This is the origin of mental gymnastics.

"We've got a new book! It's gods word!"

"The last book was gods word! Did you lie to us?"

"Of course not! You know what just take what you like out of the book and leave the rest for someone else. "

>>127940727
Are you trolling or are you seriously saying that one of the most localised populations in the world are compatible with the parasites that we are talking about?

These fucking platitudes and empty words you're spouting...

>>127941050
radical change cant get you from a to b quickly either, it only seems fast becuase the change happens quickly, but the fighting to get to that change is even more arduous than centrist change. with a healthy rival to push back, you are effectively powerless to do anything until the actual circumstances align to provide you the necissary push. Being a radical necessitates sailing with the wind. Centrism is being able to sail against it. It is not fast or glamerous, but it can be done and it is more effective than just staying in port

>>127941098
I'm not German, but I do not want Germans displaced from their homelands and exterminated. Neither do I want this for the White Anglo-Saxon stock in America from which I originate. For that matter, I don't want it for Arabs either. I want them to live in their homelands, away from us, because it would be better for us.

Your argument is completely content-free.

>>127928796
If you want to post some quotes that contradict the Quran that Muhammad wrote himself, by god, go ahead.

>>127926394
damn.. the amazing atheist got no chill

>>127940558
>British muslims
>All muslims

Wew lad

Also
>Some aspects of sharia law in court
That can be anything from good to bad you fucking idiot.

Doubt most of these muslims even believe in the same set of sharia that Isis does. Learn to differentiate and not exaggerate.

>>127940872
I'm saying that rather than letting your ideals strangle you, you should pick new ones. The government enforcing what you consider good isn't a problem for you. Stop pretending it is.

Your line of though ends in anarchy. You don't get to arbitrarily stop it with muh founding fathers as if dead men matter in philosophy. Your arguments can be used against literally any law.

>>127941527
He's a faggot, and a pedophile. He was my first sign that this was a thread made by actual idiots and not trolls.

>>127941180
>>127941296
Do you know how incredibly hard it is to actually remove a race (using this word tentatively for light skinned Caucasians) from the world? It's very, very hard and takes a concentrated, controlled effort to not only destroy them physically, but culturally as well.

What is more likely to happen is syncretism and synthesis, as it pretty much always has. A group is subsumed by another group and both are changed by the assimilation, and this happens again and again over time until something which truly resembles neither exists.

>>127926394
You mean like Hitler was a centrist? Already done, faggot.

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>i'm smart because I infinitely split hairs and observe every shade of grey to the point of rendering myself completely useless when it comes to setting any kind of standard because LOL ITS ALL SO SUBJECTIVE

Centrists are truly the fucking worst.

>>127941112
>the bible is all correct
>except when it isn't correct
>theres a different context here I swear guys
no, what you're going to do is avoid me because I trigger your fragile cognitive dissonance whenever i draw attention to the fact that we are supposed to believe your scripture is any different than muslims in terms of violence when it objectively is not. Even the message is the same. there are thousands of satanic verses in the bible to use the cultural euphemism for evil. Islam is no different. christianity was an unstoppable monster and only the luck and grit of the determined ever saw its delightful fall from total political control of western society. You can keep your views to your heart all you like, while I will rest with the understanding that at any period in history before now your peers would have burned you at the stake for reinterpreting that verse to suit yourself.

It's really simple actually, if you're a centrist you're on the right now. You can thank (((them))) for that.

>>127941381
>German
>Anglo-Saxon
Bro, these are groups produced by the mixing of other groups. Hell, even the Arabs as we understand them are not just one people.

>>127926394
>having no beliefs no dignity and no respect for your ancestors makes you a centrist

>>127941705
Oh I'm sorry, being raped out of existence by genetically inferior shitskins and absorbed into the caliphate is so much preferable to being exterminated.

I don't WANT IT TO HAPPEN AND I SHOULDN'T.

Why do you want it? Do you think mixing the 80 IQ race of Arabs with White Europeans will make their countries better? Is nigger-infested America better for their presence?

Your idea is shit. Fuck nonwhites. They should stay in their own countries.

>>127941210
at least this is an actually logicla argument...
though still wrong

the Bible is more flexible than that
it's generally agreed that some parts of the Bible don't apply (specifically parts of the Old Testament)
in fact from my understanding the entire Book of Job was written hundreds of years before every other book of the Bible and really doesn't belong in the Bible because it's just a Jewish folk story
and a lot of the implications of the verses in Job heavily contradict with many of the core principles in the rest of the Bible

only very new Christians think that you need to follow 100% of the Bible all the time
because if you understand the Bible well enough you'll realize that some things are laws
some things are just reccomendations and some things are even just opinions by the authors of one Book of the Bible that are in no way meant to be interpreted as God's word

and then like I mentioned earlier the verses that a lot of atheists like to bring up:
>shrimp
>not wearing certain types of clothing
>stoning unfaithful women
are clearly not even meant to be laws but are simply references to laws that were in place at the time that the events being described transpired
and it's obvious that those laws were in no way intended to be used as guidelines for anyone but Israelites living thousands of years ago

>>127941826
Not an argument. This is functionally identical to saying that because our ancestors conquered America, we should tolerate being conquered by another country.

No we should not. Period. You do not have an argument here.

>>127941180
>Actually I do, because the American Revolution was fought by a fraction of the population, holding an extremely radical agenda
god you're a moron, not only did they barely get the revolution off the ground because of the unanimous vote needed. tons of compromises had to be made, federalist radicalism wasn't what america was founded on. it was decentralized and a confederacy that was later revoked because of military insolvency. the very first draft of the american government doesn't even resemble what we have now, and they all had different economic and religious motivations and traditions in conflict. you are wrong.

>>127926394
At first I was like. "That looks like TJ."
>saw shirt
That is TJ

>>127941341
Yes centrism is fast, however it can only take you a few places. It gets you from a to b fast, however radical positions will get you from A to Z faster by don't of the fact that they actually fucking go that way.

And yes, they also make the change happen quickly if you have the support of the demos. This is irrespective of the skint of people that die.

>>127941920
>>127942015
I'm actually calling you out on being a faggot about the "white race". White people are only tentatively a group. It's a convenient political label and nothing more. I don't have anything in common with a Swede, so why should I care about him?

>>127941602
my argument is that our laws should follow the intentions of the founding fathers and they should be logical as well

it isn't logical to stop people from doing things that don't harm other people or take away their rights
things like
>rape
>theft
>murder
>drinking and driving
those things should be illegal

but things like taking certain drugs or hurting your animals should not be illegal
in my opinion
because in my opinion the government should not be responsible for enforcing ethics or protecting people from "themselves"

>>127941705
I agree. Just saying that your a fucking idiot for making that post I responded to.

>>127942203
Your lack of empathy for Western civilization is not my problem. I want to preserve those civilizations against destruction. You don't? Fine, we're enemies. So just admit that you don't mind their destruction. I have given you my reasons and they are perfectly rational.

Just say it. Just say "I don't care if Western Civilization is overrun by genetically inferior shitskins because I'm an enlightened Centrist."

>>127941998

>>and then like I mentioned earlier the verses that a lot of atheists like to bring up:
>>>shrimp
>>>not wearing certain types of clothing
>>stoning unfaithful women
>are clearly not even meant to be laws but are simply references to laws that were in place at the time that the events being described transpired
and it's obvious that those laws were in no way intended to be used as guidelines for anyone but Israelites living thousands of years ago
maximum mental gymnastics, this book is the word of god, but it isn't the word of god, it's just filled with suggestions

>>127942260
Why should your laws follow them? Stop being a spooked retard, and don't just repeat yourself.

>>127942502
Spooks don't exist and Stirner wasn't a real philosopher. Make a real argument.

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>>127941752
stop talking about Christianity until you actually understand the subject matter

there's a reason why literally every experienced Christian and authority on Christianity and the Bible disagree with you
(and no it isn't because you're some enlightened genius and all christians are stupid)

but yeah im done attempting to argue with you
you're too ignorant and too closed minded to attempt to actually reason with
please don't respond anymore

>>127941528
1. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
2. Britain has some of the most liberal freedoms in the world, saying that they wish to change that IS A INHERENT ATTACK YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOMS. Using your brain isn't that fucking hard, you must choose to be retarded.

>>127942260
Again there is no solid logical conclusion unless your spooked retard brain adds a framework, being the will of the founders.

Read Stirner

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>>127942073

Centrists can kiss my ass. A centrist is just some dumb shit or coward and that's all. The brave and intelligent are on the edges trying to steer the course of society.

>>127942654
No don't. Stirner isn't a real philosopher and calling something a "spook" isn't an argument.

>>127942195
yes I suppose if your main goal is to erase someone else from existance in standard radical fashion you'd pretty much be forced to be a radical. luckily we in burgerland made it pretty hard to do something so fucking morally destitute

>>127942751
You're doing a pretty good job getting whites exterminated. Good work. I'm sure the Marxists who brainwashed you would be proud.

>>127942385
"Western civilization"? You mean, what, the French culture that dominated western Europe due to their wealth and military power and was appropriated and altered by natives? You're right, I don't give a single fuck about that.

>>127941752
Why are you trying to argue with someone when you didn't do much research?

>>127942385
This, exactly.

>>127942585
Your right, spooks don't exist. That was part of his point. Actually read his book you fucking retard.

They aren't real and in that sense no logical conclusions with objective value can be derived from them. Do what pleases your ego instead of letting ideology strangle untouched. But I suppose you think zizek is also not a real philosopher despite you being an unread essentialist fruit loop

>>127942710
The only people worthy of considering intellectual are scattered all over the place without particular regard for ideology.
>A centrist is just ad hominem
Equally as asinine as any accusation flung by right or left, and obviously you aren't one of the people included in my initial statement.

>>127942922
>MUH COLONIALISM
Thank you for doing exactly what I asked you to. So you want European Civilization destroyed because you're asshurt about Colonialism.

I win.

>>127942614
>there's a reason why literally every experienced Christian and authority on Christianity and the Bible disagree with you
37 % of the country you stand in does not accept evolution as real.
and yet you think there are not people who are literalists. I do understand religion well. what you don't understand is your own hypocracy and double standard, villifying and denouncing anyone who takes your book for what it is as being ignorant, despite centuries of historical evidence that it was employed violently, and anyone voicing the words you are would have been strung up. Then you go on to say that muslims book must be taken at face value. I am only holding you to your own standards christcuck. your religion is full of violence, objectively tells people to commit it, and the only cure that ever healed that was the liberalism you hate.

>>127943020
Nope. The concept of spooks is nonsense. He was wrong, and his arguments may be disregarded out of hand. Oh hey! Maybe they're spooks too.

Now go back to /leftypol/.

>>127942502
>stop being a spook
this isn't an argument

and i already outlined the reasons why the laws should be the way that they are
and all you've done so far is just try to say that logic isn't a good metric

here I'll repeat myself:
>laws shouldn't protect people from themselves
>laws should only protect the rights of its citizens
>and ethics aren't intrinsic to legislation
i don't need the founding fathers to see the merit behind these assertions

>>127942728
If you actually read Stirner you'd know what a spook is and how my argument is that you shouldn't follow them. Read a book nigger.

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>>127943110

>>127943049
>Colonialism
Nigga, what? It's more like the French made a concerted effort over the centuries to install their people and customs onto their neighbors, European neighbors. That might be coming to an end soon, but whatever. I never liked the French anyway.

>>127943140
Nope. Stirner's ideas held zero merit. I disregard them out of hand.

>b-buh muh
Stirner is a spook. His ideas are external to me and therefore may (and should) be ignored.

>>127942751
There are several examples of radical ideologies that you can't despise as immoral on face value.

>>127926394
>muh complexity
Cop out.

Yes some solutions bring their own issues, but that's life. Sometimes compromise just means a quick or slow death. In such situations you need to choose what matters to you.

Often centrism is just simple cowardice. There are no solutions nor enlightenment to be had in the centre, just ignoring the problems and hoping they go away.

Fell free to prove me wrong centrists.

inb4 shit and/or non arguments.

>>127943239
Don't backpedal. You said it, now live with it. I have what I want from you.

>>127942901
not my job to help a group of white supremacists that want to either enslave or exterminate me depending on level of fervor breed babies.

>>127942956
I have done my research, unlike you if you think I haven't. they deserve to be held to the same standards they hold others to.

>>127943325
Oh, I stand by my stance that I don't really care if French Culture dies. I just wanted to clarify your misuse of Colonialism. It wasn't, it was cultural enforcement through arms, wealth, and political maneuvering.

>>127943319
already did nigger.
heres my proof
>america exists
a bunch of conpletely divergant and radically different christian sects and cultures withdrew from your shitty ass and now we're a world power.

>>127943319
>Often centrism is just simple cowardice.
The issue with polarization is that both sides believe one another to be completely wrong on every issue, when the probability of this being true is statistically impossible.
People like you would say Obama is white if the Left said he was black.

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If you identify with any ism, you're not redpilled

A fucking word with a definition is n't "wrong" you fucking child. The imitations of it's use are what your tiny brain is trying to criticise.

Fucking pathetic. Just fucking read the book.

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>>127943110
wait one more thing
you know Charles Darwin was a Christian right?

same with
>Copernicus
>Francis Bacon
>Kepler
>Galileo
>Descartes
just thought I'd let you know

>>127943651
>actually putting galileo on the list
hope you aren't catholic.

>>127943125
>>127943630
Replying to you here.

But again read the book and then you'll see how much of an unread idiot you are.

>>127943603
Also, not that I identify as a centrist, but you also assume a central position is taken to avoid making enemies, as if it's inherently neutral when it could very well be taken because it is correct, with the formation of enemies to be an unintended but acceptable consequence.

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>>127943770
he believed in the Judeo-Christian God as well as Jesus and therefore was a Christian

nope. not a Catholic

>>127943597
America were born of our extreme left (now your right wing). It's why we kicked them out.

>>127943603
Our initial presumptions are mutually exclusive. We literally do not view the world the same way. It is impossible for us both to be correct in most cases.

>>127926623
You're the first reply in this fucking thread and it's clear by your words that you don't understand the point that OP is making. Asking him to name one "good" thing about Islam shows that you have yet to transcend traditional moralistic dichotomy to achieve a more sophisticated awareness of the quantum nature of reality.

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>>127943651
Wewwwwww, I just read through your whole little argument and jesus christ you're being a textbook christcuck. Mental gymnastics out the ass, getting super triggered over getting called out on cherrypicking, and once you've run out of arguments you've fallen back on "b-b-but these famous people were Christians too, really makes you think, huh?!??"

Hitler was a Christian too, Christians are literal nazis confirmed

>inb4 Hitler wasn't a R E A L christian

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>>127927332
Please kill yourself you fucking Jew-lover. Whites are dying out and it's not the sand-niggers killing us off.

>>127943950
yeah no. I wont believe that man was a christian when he was basically under threat of death to say whatever the church wanted him to until the end of his days nigger

>>127944054
>America were born of our extreme left (now your right wing). It's why we kicked them out.
actually you kicked them out for not being part of the church of england.
>implying they where of political importance back then.

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>>127926623
Islam is the only true religion.

>>127943247
Under what pretext do you disregard essence? In what way is that pragmatic and not retarded? Have you read Hegel? If your logic follows then you must not believe in dialectic which would make you functionally unable to talk about philosophy.

In case you are trying to be clever and hint at any self refutations in stirners work, I'll remind you that there is a difference between an ignoramus and an egoist.

I'm done responding to you. You're not willing to engage in dialectic because you're a cancerous asshole.

>>127943463
>>127943325
>>127943239
>>127943049
What's that, faggot, no response? I figured. Get out of here, protecting a forced meme of a culture.

>>127944191
Yeah, which makes them (at the time), extremists.

Also, as for political importance, that's why you mandated a separation of church and state. The head of the CoE is the monarch.

>>127944113
you ever heard of a man named Martin Luther?
I'm guessing you haven't

and you can believe what you want but the fact of reality is that Galileo was a Christian

>>127930169

Bullshit.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

>>127944193
while this is pretty enlightening senpai, doesn't change public muslim opinion, which when discussing muslim culture, is the only thing that matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rTbh4a57o

>>127944054
>It is impossible for us both to be correct in most cases.
Sure, but the all-or-nothing thinking is where people stop worrying about what is right, and would rather be concerned with being right.
Example: You can still be pro-gun and family while still acknowledging that systemic racism exists.
This wouldn't put me in a centered position as a mean since it draws truth from both sides of the spectrum, nor is it taken for the sake of neutrality.

>>127944437
you didn't really kick them out so much as they fled from your evil british ways and crooked teeth

>>127944446
he was schroidners christian at best
>martin luther
you mean the guy who got pissed off at the catholics and wrote a scathing review he expected to go up the proper channels to fix the broken system, but whom was caught with his underpants down when the new printing press lit a fire across europe? that martin luthor?

>>127944598
Same thing. On my end from the kickers, on yours the kickees.

>>127926623
Advanced mathematics in architecture and interior design as well as contributions to science other arts and they ruled a good portion of the world for a while