Why is this allowed?

>>127912113

Why do you care?

Why are you entitled to their money?

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>>127912239
21 trillion is as much as 23 orbital rings
could become spacefairing almost 2 dozen times over if those jewish tricks were not in play

>2012

>>127912239
>>127912430
Because if the government is stealing the plebs' money, it better damn well be stealing the elites' as well.

>>127912564
So it's probably way higher now.

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>>127912113
liberal argument math

>>127912496
>implying orbital rings aren't FREE because they PAY FOR THEMSELVES
fucking anti-ringers

>>127912113
Why are you allowed to take others hard earned money?

>>127912113
They're just numbers. Get back to me when it says "super rich hide 420 megatons of gold offshore", which it never will, because the US only has 5 megatons of gold reserves.

Gold is so so SO undervalues right now.

>>127912496
wtf i hate the jews even more now!

are you telling me there is literally trillions of currency floating about in the sea?

brb learning to swim

>>127912113
What are they supposed to spend it on?

>>127912430
really going to let the jews get away with this much not pouring it into the economy?

>/pol/ this stupid and hypocritical

>>127912113
because we think its fair to try and take half their income so Dindu's can sit on welfare and not work

>>127912113
wheres the study?

>>127912113
And what do you want them to do with it? That's literally $2800 per human alive right now. It's fucking nothing that's someone's wages if they make 18$ hour and work 40 hours a week for a month.

>>127912943
>brb learning to swim

What are you, a nigger?

>>127912113
because...


they own the government? and democracy is a meme?

>>127913387
>2800 dollars to some fucker in a 3rd world country is fucking nothing

Top kek leaf.

That said, they should be investing that money in the US economy, not hoarding it like some dragon.

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>>127912113
is that where this money went?

>>127912113
It's not your money you greedy communist pig

>>127912113
It's their money, they can hide it anywhere they want.

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>>127913590
never hurts to learn again.
ocean creatures will want to fight you no doubt.

>>127912113
Why do you believe him?

>>127913766
Well they're doing it because if they didn't, the government would steal half of it and give it to niggers.

They're RIGHT to be hoarding their money, ask yourself WHY they feel the need to do so. Hoarded money doesn't grow, invested money does--this just means that the economy is too strangulated to handle investment.

It's OK because the rich are job creators and can hoard as much wealth as they want while other people starve and suffer.

>>127912239
>>127912430
If you make money bringing goods to market in nation A, stashing it in a tax haven located in nation B is unethical and amoral.
A market does not spring up spontaneously. It takes vast amount of resources, time, effort, culture, and especially, a race of people conducive to the establishment of a civilization, or it would not be there.
If you take out of that market A without giving back, you are basically a dindu nuffin, which is what many of these multinationals are.
They have already robbed and looted many first world nations so extensively, that they fear a claw back of their unethical gains, so they lobby for the destruction of those same nations rather than be held accountable.
It's a sad state of things when people educated at the best institutions seek to destroy the matrix that gave birth to them.

>>127912641
DAT calculatah stoopehd

>>127913184
Taxation is theft faggot

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>>127912496
Because you live under capitalism and they would cut corners anyway.

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Because pic related. Your hard earned savings will be turned into gibs. If you keep money on shore you are an idiot.

>>127912113
for the breakaway society

>>127914004
Yes, quite seriously. If you want to steal from people to blow up shitskins or to pay for diversity hires, they hide their money so that you can't take it all.

They are right to do so. Not only practically, but morally. You re not entitled to a cent of that money.

>>127912113
TAXING THE RICH IS THEFTT HURRRRRR

>>127914284
Not an argument. Literally.

I read that as super rich hide 21 dollars and was offended because I want 21 dollars for pizza real bad right now

We are the poor masses

>>127912113
Because fuck you and socialist European taxes

>>127912496

but its not your money to spend.
you gave it to them to do with as they see fit.

>>127912638

so because the govt takes a little bit of money from you because you don't know how to file taxes, you should have access to the money you basically gave to the super rich?

>inb4 I dont give them my money they steal it!
Never bought a cheeseburger? Never put money in a bank? Never took out a loan? Mever bought a video gave? Never bought a computer chip? Never bought a pair of shoes? Never rented or owned a home?

If you went in the forest, grabbed a branch, made a walking stick for me and I gave you $100 for it, what would you do with the money? Would you immediately blow it on some fruitless endeavor, give it right to the billionaires by buying some vidya at Walmart or would you sock it away and try to make the most of it?

>>127914025

if its money created out of thin air, then stashed and never looked at. who fucking cares? its not like if you redistribute it something good comes out of it. if people dont make their own money, they dont value it.

real rich people never pay tax and they shouldnt. there should be competition between countries to be a tax haven so the money can get invested properly.

government is the one driving the money away.

>>127912113
Because Taxation is Theft

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>>127914097
>muh global gommunism
I like my commies the way I like my toast. Extra crispy.

http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage

>>127914157
they won't even be used for gibs, they'll be used to pay back the debt from the gibs the previous decades received

>>127912239
Because they make more money than I do? I mean, I'd like to have lower taxes on my income, and I'd like to have the government tax the shit out of people that are richer than me. I'm indifferent about people who are poorer. When my income increases I'll be wishing the tax lowered for me and increased for those richer, so on and so forth. It's only human nature. Just like how these ultra rich mofos are hiding their money offshore, I don't blame them it's the most logical thing to do.

>>127914284

taxation is theft, yes it is by definition. because you cant opt out of taxes can you?
but that doesnt mean all tax is bad.

but yeah discussion here is, take one point and who ever disagrees has to die. never settle, never compromise and every one stays in their hug box bubble echo chamber

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>>127912239
>>127912430
holy shit right wing retards are the biggest billionaire globalist shillcucks ever

>>127914466
Because the main driver of reform in a nation is the participation of the elite in political affairs.
If you allow the elite to loot a nation, they have no incentive to push for reforms.
The elite must be held to a higher standard.
They don't just appear out of nowhere, they are a product of the nation that spawned them.
Part of the privilege of being elite is a responsibility to make sure that the first world nation you came out of remains that way.
You can't just take it for granted that it will continue to exist as it was when you came along, because if that's your attitude, you must be taxed out of existence.
Elites are a dime a dozen. There's always someone else waiting in the wings.

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>>127912113
Because the rich have their hooks in every relevant policy-making body, and righty fucks keep defending them no matter how bad it gets

>>127914025
Multinationals provide jobs. I don't agree with cases like Google paying a ridiculously low amount of tax, however I think the levels of tax the government request is ridiculous especially on higher earners. (UK)
Why the fuck should we have to give away half our earning so some slobs can sit at home on welfare and spend it all on booze, get ill and waste NHS resources which we pay for as well?

>>127914833
>not stealing someones money=globalism, goys
>t. A globalist

>>127914461
They stole it from us

You'd be surprised on how many middle class have offshore accounts. Or should I say use to have, until Obama made it more difficult for them.
Not sure if many middle classers found any loopholes.

>>127914833
GIBS ME FREE MONEY

IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE A BOOTLICKER

>>127914991
Wait, if they are so in control why do they need to hide their money, you just claimed they call the shots, so clearly they could just hunker down on their funds.

It's almost like you don't know what you are talking about and spouting rhetoric.

Because taxes are too high dumbass

>>127914763

So, envy.

>>127912430
Because they "made" the money of the backs of workers who pay a very big percentage in tax (income tax is just part of it and not the largest). That's those who actually do something innovative, most of them inherited wealth and power to some degree. Many are utterly idle and worthless. They have no moral right to hoard wealth that could benefit the world.

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>>127915156
>>127915051

>>127912113
(((super rich)))

>>127915086

How so? Most people willingly gave their money to billionaires.

>>127912113
This is why the economy is booming right now. Trump's tax reform will repatriate this money once he lowers the corporate income tax and offers a 10% repatriation rate for overseas money.

>>127914994
Dodging taxes is never the answer, should never be the answer.
If the guys currently on top truly are elite, then they should be able to conjure up a set of reforms that puts the nation back in order and allows them to collect the same or greater amount of revenues.
You want to allocate the social rewards of entrepreneurship to people without according them with the responsibilities incurred as well.
It's flat out wrong. No one can have their cake and eat it too, not even the elite.

>>127914904
The trick is to be balanced in your approach. If you go too over the top with taxing the rich, they'd just move their business to another similarly developed country with less tax. Causing even more drain on your economy. So you gotta give them enough incentive to stay yet have them pay enough tax back to society.

>>127912113
They worked hard for it. Why are you so jealous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZfjGOj4FT0

>>127915086
They steal our money - sipping a coca cola, posted from my iphone7 on facebook.

>>127915156
>muh false dichotomy
That's just lazy reasoning. It's not that simple. Not every issue can be resolved to a binary choice.

>>127915160
>and righty fucks keep defending them no matter how bad it gets
It would seem I know exactly what I'm talking about. Offshore is their desired goal, since it protects THEIR assets from any economic damage (a la 2008) that incurs domestically on US.

>>127912113
Because the super rich control the earth and do whatever they damn well want to do.

Only fools and proles pay taxes.

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>having to pay for other peoples roads

>>127915248

>Horshit

every fucking time

>>127915303
They're not dodging taxes, they just can't bring the money back in America without paying a tax. Thus, they keep their money in offshore accounts.

How can there be $21bn offshore if there are only $18bn US GDP in the world.

checkmate libtards

>>127915379

yeah, tax consumption.

>>127912430
Why do you feel entitled to someone else's money?

>>127915186
Well yeah. Can you say you are completely free from any form of envy? Especially when it comes to your livelihood? If I'm poor or middle class if like to see the rich get taxed more, if I'm rich I'd like to hide my money away. It's just how it is

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>>127915391
Because they didn't work half as hard as the men on the line.

>>127915156
>have all the money in the world
>still evade paying taxes and your fair share
>go on to lecture poor people that they need to accept refugees and spend money on programs meant to brainwash white people into hating themselves
Really great people billionaires are.

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>>127915379
There is some truth to that.
One of the important things about this issue is to identify the imbalances that led to this issue of offshore accounts in the first place.
This is fundamentally a balance of trade issue.
People get hung up on the idea that an income tax policy is the root of it, when really it is just bad trade deals.

>>127912113
The IRS can't find it but they could?

>>127914025

I totally agree. It amoral and unethical but that does not mean that I am entitled to any portion of it.
I just want to know why anyone thinks they themselves believe they deserve a cut.

>>127915248
>arguing with cartoons
Ah yes. The left..

>>127915871
>he says, before posting his 900th pepe

>>127915689
The man on the line is dumb, don't just work hard work smart too.

>>127915510
>not taking it away, just putting it over here
There's no practical difference between either way you have phrased the situation there, and the lobbyists who make law on behalf of the elite are responsible for the construction of the laws in the first place, so that's no excuse.

>>127915578
If you over tax consumption it indirectly hurts the super rich as well because their revenue will drop since people are less willing to spend more on goods and services. Tax is hard, there's no single answer to this. An optimal tax code should be constantly changing and adapting to the economic background I think

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>>127914991
this

right wing retards are the biggest cucks in the universe. The sole reason for these conservashits to exist is to support the billionaire globalist agenda

>>127914092
>doesn't understand economics 101

>>127912113
Good, more people should refuse to pay taxes.

>>127916162
>doesn't understand philosophy 101

>>127914097
wtf i like communism now

>>127915654

Sure. I wish I had "fuck you" money but I admit that I am not born into it, cut from the cloth that attains it and am merely a working stiff.
Anybody can become a billionaire if they have the ability. Stealing money from the people that made it is not the way to attain it.

>>127912239
Because this isn't money they're using. This is money they're hoarding specifically so other people can't have it.
It's not about having money, it's about keeping others from having it.

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>>127912113
The thing that liberals and those who advocate liberal tax policies never seem to grasp is that the super rich, by their very nature of being super rich, will never pay their fair share in taxes. Money begets money and so on.
Nobody who achieves that level of wealth does so by being 100% honest on their returns. They do so by exploiting loopholes, using offshore accounts, taking advantage of corporate tax policies, and most importantly using their wealth to hire the very best people who can manage their finances around any system that is currently in place. Liberal tax policies will always be destined to fail and raising the tax rate on the most wealthy will only cause them to pay less tax, as they'll be utilizing even more loopholes and taking more of their business abroad.
Here's the real kicker though: Despite any argument to the contrary and despite any and all negative covfefe

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>>127912113
Because it's their money

>>127915805
The problem with your take on things is that it involves a static analysis.
You seem to think that the political stability of the nations being looted is guaranteed, when the situation is exactly the opposite.
The polices that led up to this situation are responsible for the destruction of the middle class, and the formation of a revolutionary proletariat.
We are literally all of us, except the (((1%))), going to be eaten alive in an orgy of death and violence under a Marxist total state if we don't stem the tide and put things back in order, the way they were before.
So yeah, I am entitled, as a citizen of the U.S., to fight for the stability of my nation, to work for policies that preserve it from being knocked over by a bunch of fabian socialists who are looting it under the guise of humanitarian goodwill.
I have no interest in handouts, and I pay my share of income tax, so I have no love of bureaucrats, but you have to acknowledge that there are greater things at stake here than merely the amount of dollars you or I, or anyone else, takes home at the end of the day.
Yours and my life literally depend on it. Yes, I've got a reason.

>>127912113
>muh shekels
>muh shekels
>muh shekels
>muh shekels
>muh shekels

Nobody cares you filthy kike

>>127916459
>it's about keeping others from having it.

Like cutting out welfare and other "gibs" because you believe the people that receive entitlements don't deserve them?

>>127916261
That's where it gets interesting. Is it really stealing when the very reason they have become super rich is not only because of their ability but also the general environment of the country that they operate their business in? If not for the society that "supported" their business, would they still have become billionaires? So forcing them to give money back to the country that they used to thrive on is fair game no? It's just how much tax they should pay is the hard part, 20% or 60%? It varies if you ask different people in different economic classes.

>>127915949
>I AM SILLY

Because the left doesn't want to reform the corporate tax structure.

>>127916731
Explain to me how welfare is an anyway comparable to flat fiat currency?

>>127912239

why do you care about something as unimportant as this thread, shillcuck?

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>>127912113
Because if you are a billionaire or multimillionaire, then you have the resources and the rational self-interest to hide as much money as you possibly can from the relevant revenue collection and regulatory bodies, no matter the system of government be it liberal, communist, socialist, it simply doesn't matter. You can hire as many accountants as it takes, set up NGO's, bribe officials, buy whole legislators. The reason "tax the rich" doesn't work, simply put, is that the rich can always make themselves un-taxable. What "tax the rich" policies inevitably result in is the destruction of the middle class and those upper class who can not hide their money offshore. Whether you make $40,000 a year or $400,000 a year you are going to get butt fucked in the name of going after the people who can never be caught. In other words, commies get fucked, you are not doing these things for my benefit and you will never make a more just society.

>>127914097
I think this sums it up quite nicely
USA: actually doing something = real photos
USSR: paintings and a man in a costume = waste of time and life

>>127916892
The liberals don't. They're not Left in any real, material sense. Wanting a more equal income/tax structure is basically the litmus test of a proper leftist.

>>127912239
im a right winger too but ive my limits. jesus christ tax that shit up senpai

>>127912113
Because it's the (((super rich))).
Do you know (partly) why the (((Rothschilds))) have titles of nobility even though they actually aren't? It's because leaders of countries and nobility are exempt from being included in rich lists. Without those titles people would say "Wow, how do the top 100 richest people in the world all have the same (((surname)))?" and that would be a goy noticing a coincidence he shouldn't be noticing. Do you know what the word for that is? Anti-Semitism.

>>127917186
How do you tax money in foreign countries?

>>127917131
>Wanting a more equal income/tax structure is basically the litmus test of a proper leftist.
They dont want an equal tax structure
They want a progressive tax

>>127915949
Havent posted any pepes itt.
Also not how it works

>>127917277
by taking everything they own in the country they're in to compensate for that robbery

can I have a tax free life too ? id love that

>>127917530
Why not just scrap the income tax and replace with something that is harder to dodge like VATs at property taxes?

>>127912430
we the resourceless should pay the full wages of our taxes, but the super rich should be allowed to get away with paying far less

>>127916239

>my philosophy degree is more important than an econ degree

boy you sure are smart anon

>>127916702

Great philosophy but it all depends on what you want.
People that live in large cities shouldn't complain about who has what money because it wasn't their $100+ million dollar investment that built the apartment tower they live in. Or the banks with the loans and investments. Car payments, insurance payments, a financed couch or bed.
These are all voluntary.
And for the more rural inhabitants, why does where the money goes matter at all? If you want no part of the "system" in place, you can opt out of that, too. Small enough communities can sustain themselves, self govern, etc.

It really seems people want the best of both worlds, give me all your money, give me all of your industry, give me all of your investment and leave me alone.

>>127915447
Unless you can actually back it up, you are just spouting political rhetoric.

The US wasn't the only country that had economic turmoil at that time, so did the rest of the world. The debt crisis in Europe was one to count. When you're working on a global scale, you can lose all over.

The real reason people (not just the rich) offshore their accounts is to avoid high taxation and for privacy. Notice all of those come from government intervention instead of the "greed" scenario you claim?

>>127917705
I would prefer import duties on foreign goods, and excise taxes on undesirable activities like drugs and porn.

>>127913766
thats because with the financial regulations in place right now, a lot would be taxed out just for (metaphorically) pulling the money on shore.

>>127917841
that's not what I was implying

>>127917824
The rich already pay the vast majority of taxes

>>127912113
It wouldn't happen at all if the $ wasn't taxed to fuck the second it hits our shores, dipshit.

>>127915871
>the right doesn't argue with cartoons
holy shit maximum delusions.
Please donate your stupidity for science.

>>127917907
>Small enough communities can sustain themselves, self govern
Not in today's world. What happens across the Atlantic or Pacific ocean affects us all directly, whether it's being called up for the military, or the subversion of our federal government.
You can't run or hide from these issues. Either deal with them now, or what remains of your descendants will be enslaved by a foreign people, same as it ever was.

>>127916895

I have a pile of money.
You don't have a pile of money.
Tell me how I should give you part of mine.

>fiat currency
Exactly, its fake, they "print" more, why should it matter how much more any individual has than me?

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>>127918018
but they don't pay their fair share. that number is a % of income.

>>127917267
Additionally, this. Same reason show biz types change their names. How many people in this thread are aware that Anderson Cooper is a Vanderbilt?

>>127918291
Federally they pay more than their share

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>>127912113
1 post by this ID

>>127918182
Because I'm the one doing the work that produces ""your"" pile of money

>>127917971

"but muh philosophy"
then what was it

>>127914157
>the US economy will never grow, and all current trends will stay the same for 50 years, the graph

Discarded.

>>127918464
quit

>>127918464

You work for me so I pay you? Great, we made a trade. Your labor for my cash.

>>127918486
"Taxation is theft" is a matter of philosophical principle and has nothing to do with economics.

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>>127912113

because they make the laws.

>>127918439
Hi

>>127914461
>shilling for jews this hard.
definition of a cuck.

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>>127918659
TWO!

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>>127918018
why does /pol/ complain about the jews influencing society when they never want to take away the tool that lets them influence it? you guys will literally let (((them))) overrun your countries with brown people as long as you can say "they still pay the most though!!!!" your kind would be dragged through the streets in an ideal world.

>>127912113
Anyone who seriously thinks this is acceptable is fucking delusional. All of you in here who are defending these multi-billionaires are utterly mindless and incoherent.

We could solve most of the world's problems in a year if we would just enact a 95% net-worth tax on everyone with a net worth over $1 billion.

It blows my mind that we all just go along with this degenerate system when the only reason they are that rich is that they exploit the society created by all the rest of us.

>>127918136

I don't see the relationship to a billionaire having money stashed in a tax haven.
What would be any different than a Scrooge McDuck character with a tower filled with cash or a bank with no taxes?

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>>127918572
Not exactly.

>>127918659
What, if any, replies to your thread interest you so far?

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>>127912113
It's a big ocean

>>127918596
explain how the government would be able to pay for things like our roads,schools and infrastructure?

>>127919030
They wouldn't.

>>127912113
Neo Liberalism.

Gary Lineker, the millionaire who hosts the football show, where people who kick a ball around get payed hundreds of millions and play for teams where the worlds oligarchs sit their billions and they all go off to a kitch million $/£ house on an island in some kitch shape in Saudi... said we are all bad for not taking more "refugees" btw.

>>127912239
Because it's the jews.

>>127919030
hahahahahahahaahaha. what are you 12?

amazing thread, in the end the shill accusations were true, i've never seen so much globalist cock sucking ever here

>>127918917

I need an industry to relate that image with.
Cars? Each person makes what? $20 an hour? How many people are involved with making a car? 1? 2? 20? 50?
What part of how much would be appropriate?
50/50? Split up half the wealth among the 50 people involved in production?
You're on to something but you haven't said anything specific.

>>127918893
Because the policies and procedures that led to that particular type of surplus, untaxed gains stashed in tax havens, is over the long term, unsustainable, so long as the nation they were taken from still exists as a corporeal entity to pursue them for a clawback.
In allowing these types of deposits to appear, you have given these people incentive to smash your state and place you under totalitarian rule, so that you cannot later pursue them.
Why do you think Jacob Schiff financed the Bolsheviks in Russia? These humanitarians with their one-two punch of free trade based looting followed by Marxist overthrow of your government are simply pissing on anything they cannot eat or fuck, they are not your friends, nor even human, and you can't avoid them by sticking your head in the sand, either.

>>127919242

I know its the Jews, dammit, but random blurting "the jews, muh globalism!" does not solve a problem.
You don't win by pointing fingers and hoping someone else has an idea.

>>127918917
*wealth created by labor, using machines and tools, out of raw materials and supplies

>>127912113
>Why is this allowed?
What are you doing to stop them?

>>127918802
bacause pol isnt one person

>>127919362
its weird aint it?
i dont get it.
against the zionist jews but you want to support their "earnings"

>>127912239
>>127912430
faggots. it s one thing to be rich , it s another to hide your money offshore so you don t pay taxes . normal plebs like you and me CAN T afford to open offshore accounts to hide the money

>>127918596
Did you just say "article of faith"?
Worshipping at the altar of Mammon are we?

>>127920070
neither are the jews

>>127912113
>Why is this allowed?
because muh freedom

>>127919889
You are right. I was just answering the question "why do you care"

If that money belong entirely to Bill Gates I would have no butthurt over it or Elon the Musk.
But it's most certainly jews which earned it through all kinds of tricks.
They are conquering the World for their descendants. We should care.

>>127912113
Allowed?

Who runs the world?

>>127912113
The thing about money is that is never unused, as long as it's not kept away in some grandma's cookie jar.

When a billionaire "hides" his money, he either invests it, or he deposits it at a bank that then invests it. This money is always going back into the economy - just globally, instead of locally. And though globalism saps some branches of local economies, it does so by outcompeting them and being chosen by the consumer. So in the end, the people still benefit by paying the least. They choose this.

Globalism can't be beaten with arguments that ultimately are based on greed, or any other wealth-based grounding. It's the epitome of those, and nothing can compete with it on its own terms. The only way to fight it is to let go of inflated aspirations of wealth and to subordinate it to other values and goals.

>>127919362
What did you expect? We are all in the west bombarded with so much fallacy based propaganda about basic economics that it is difficult for most people to think about it clearly since our very languages have been corrupted.

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>>127912430
Their money is a right to my labor. Suppose some rich fuck got literally all the money in the world and sticks it offshore and just refuses to buy anything. Then no one else gets any income and everyone just starves and dies because they can't buy anything, because rich fuck doesn't want to pay them to do any work.

>>127919735

So we tax them until they disappear? What happens when they leave entirely because the people of their country no longer do business with them?
Fresh start from 0? Total collapse?
At the same time taking their money from them is enacting some form of Marxism or Socialism, doesn't it?
We need to find a way to make them give us their money without being scared away by it.

>>127920547
Finally, a burger who gets it.
Repeat after me:
YOUR MONEY'S NO GOOD HERE
>YOUR MONEY'S NO GOOD HERE
YOUR MONEY'S NO GOOD HERE
>YOUR MONEY'S NO GOOD HERE

>>127920547
Jesus fucking christ

>Suppose some rich fuck got literally all the money in the world and sticks it offshore and just refuses to buy anything

the currency would lose all its value and everyone would use something else

>>127919353
explain fagget

>>127920697
They don't get to take "their" money with them. It's our money. We allow them to call upon our labor with it. As soon as they leave, they get NO rights.

>>127913184
They not /pol/ they t_d trump sucking faggot no worry.

>>127920821
What if taxes are still denominated in the currency they accumulated, rather than that something else?

>>127920547

You plant a potato and don't let him buy any because nobody wants his money.
Literally starve him to death, fuck money. It doesn't feed you unless someone accepts it for their food.

As long as it's not at the tax payers expense...

i dont give a fuck. That amount of money together 100% has foul play. What can you do though?

>>127918857
HEY FUCKTARD, YOU'RE AN IMBECILE, JESUS HOLY FUCKING GODDAMN SHITE, HOW CAN YOU BE THIS MENTALLY CHALLENGED.

HERE'S A THOUGHT, IF GOVERNMENT COULD JUST REDISTRIBUTE AND TAKE PRIVATE CAPITAL WILLY NILLY (MORE THAN THEY FUCKING DO ALREADY), PEOPLE WOULDN'T BOTHER TO CREATE SUCH WEALTH IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE, YOU STUPID, FUCKING, RETARD.

HOW IN THE FUCK CAN YOU THINK IT IS EVEN REMOTELY REASONABLE THAT A SMALL GROUP SHOULD PAY FOR A BUNCH OF LOATHSOME LAZY FUCKS? WHY SHOULD PERSON A PAY SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE MORE IN TAX THAN PERSON B, WHEN PERSON A USES NEAR TO THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICES, PROVIDES JOBS, AND INVESTMENT CAPITAL, AND ALSO CREATES WEALTH.

PLEASE TELL ME DUMBSHIT. TELL ME FUCKING THEY 'OWE' SOCIETY BECAUSE THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES SOLD GOODS AND SERVICES HISTORICALLY TO PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR IT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL.

RETARD, GET A FUCKING CLUE.

>>127914199
>They are right to do so. Not only practically, but morally. You re not entitled to a cent of that money.
Wrong. Suppose Al Gore worked really hard by passing a lot of laws and stuff to make him superrich by taxing everyone every time they use energy. Suppose Al Gore eventually gets all the money in the world by doing this and sticks it offshore and never spends it. Now no one else has any income and they all starve to death while Al Gore lives happy on his island where robots farm and make his food for him and stuff. Al Gore is morally right to do that? Because he earned it?

We got a few billion people not doing any work because there's no money to pay them because it is all stuck offshore. Oh well. Can't do anything about it because Ayn Rand said so and muh liberty.

>>127913387
You know the Principe of taxation is suppose to work as long as no one evade it.
It's not an argument that they pay more taxes because they actually do exponentially more.
This is theft and of gigantic proportion.
You call that success I call that exploitation and jewery . .

>>127919903
*which were also created by labor

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they could literally pay our entire nations debt..
certainly this is just a coincidence.

>>127920697
No, iron fist in a velvet glove is the way to go. If their behavior is bad and undesirable, you show them who is boss. If they have any sense, they will change their behavior.
If they don't change, then they are dirty raiders and deserve what is coming to them.
The point is to separate the wheat from the chaff, not to pummel everyone regardless of their potential.
Most of the bad actors are just going along with the crowd. It's only a few who are hardcore evil.
You have to shake the whole thing, and get the bad ones out, because one bad apple ruins the whole barrel.

>>127914025
So we're all stuck in the matrix eh? I feel so enlightened now. Just call me keanu.

>>127921284
and then sold to someone else...

>>127921378
Settle down, Switch.

>>127914461
The way the economy works is you pay me to do something, I pay someone else to do something, they pay someone else to do something, then someone else pays you to do something. The economy grows, prosperity, happiness, peace.

When you take that money and bury it in a treasure island you break that virtuous cycle. If you aren't going to participate in the economy, then why shouldn't we just print more money to replace the money you took out of it? Why shouldn't we levy taxes on you or manipulate interest rates to motivate you to spend that money or lose it?

What, we're just supposed to sit here and starve because you don't want to pay us to do anything? Not going to happen.

>>127920547
This is literally the dumbest thing I read this year

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>>127921343
>>127921343
>oh vey debt is good now cut my taxes

>>127916072
Dodging taxes implies it's illegal, storing money offshore is perfectly legal. America is one of the few countries in the world that demands income tax on money made in foreign countries.

>>127921704
I really hope you're a troll

>>127914833
yep.
>globalists are bad
>it is morally right for globalists to take money from one country and bury it in an island instead of participating in the economy

pick one

>>127921943
>The Jew says yes, that's what you're supposed to do

>>127912113
soooooo thats about 1M a btc then.....
well played satoshi well played

>>127921117
traitors hang first.

>>127920861

I like that. They fucked US when we became a global currency.
I'm a believer in "you make where you sell."
You want to sell something in America, you make it in America. Or China or Egypt or wherever.
Kind of a spin on the "shop local, buy local" but on a grander scale. If you intend to sell some product in a particular region, manufacture that product in that region. Sure its nice to buy local produce at the farmers market and support your local growers but if Samsung had to make tvs in America, they would have to manufacture those tvs in America providing jobs and local investment. You could import tax the crap out of the goods made overseas being brought here to "price match" so cheaper goods wouldn't be available.
$25,000 Ford from America, $15,000 Ford made in Mexico but there's a $10,000 tax on the mexican Ford so you might as well buy the American made Ford.
The trade agreements we have are total crap because they allow the importation of cheaper goods and the "socking away" of that income.

>>127921130
YOU ARE FUCKING MENTALLY CHALLENGED, KILL YOURSELF.

Even considering the idea that any one person could have "all the money in the world" makes you a complete fucking idiot. Do you not realize that wealth can be created?

You must be a troll, no one is this fucking stupid.

>>127921870
>Dodging taxes implies it's illegal
Not necessarily
>storing money offshore is perfectly legal
But is it ethical? Is it sustainable in the long run? These are issues worth discussing.

>>127922079
Exactly the reason those agreements were made in the first place.
None of that FATCA shit and no more double Irish maneuvering. 100% exit tax over a million, now.

>>127922236
It's not even offshore. It's in banks in Nevada and Utah with a foreign residency.

>>127922001
You've obviously never heard of the phrase "useful idiots".

In the unlikely event you aren't a troll, good luck in your deluded future should it ever come to pass, you brainless fucking commie shite.

Totally clueless.

>>127914097
What makes you think that the USSR would publicly report failures

>>127921762
>>127921943
No, actually I'm a business grad who knows a thing about the economy. The velocity of money is a pretty important economic metric. When you take trillions of dollars and bury it in the ground and refuse to spend it, the velocity of money plummets and it wrecks economies. So central banks respond by printing more money and putting interest rates to zero or negative so that the value of that buried money goes to zero unless the guy spends it.

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>>127921130
Leftists are completely and utterly retarded. All they want to do is virtue signal. Our corporate tax rates are ridiculous high, even countries with universal healthcare have lower rates. Yet, these leftists never accept the argument that they're too high, no they rather jerk themselves off about how much the rich are screwing us over and how they need to pay their "fair share".

>>127921377
Check
>>127922079
This.

Thoughts?

>>127922001
>>127922438
YOU'VE MADDENED IT

>>127912638
>plebs paying income tax

The middle class and upper middle class (and entry 1%) are literally the only people that pay income tax

And don't come back at me with "the lower income people pay sales tax, so they pay their fair share, too"

>>127912239
Because they're not investing it in the future of the country or the people?

>>127921762
Never though I would have to agree with a filthy one but ya you you're right.

>>127922160
Ok. 'Create' some wealth when you have no dollars. You can build whatever you want out of some sticks you found on the ground, but who is going to pay you in this scenario? The rich guy with all the buried money who refuses to buy anything from anyone because he has robots who take care of him?

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>>127922613
Clearly you've never held a job in your life

>>127915379
>>127915760
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/finrep/fr/15frusg/CitizensGuide2015.pdf
The balance of taxes is also interesting. I'm not sure the correlation of how much money passes through corporations vs the public but seems like it should be a bit more equal no?

>all these cucks
Society is a party in the transaction. If some burger flippers keeps Jamal well fed enough that he doesn't stab me coming out of the office, I owe part of my profit to that little shit. He doesn't deserve to starve. He doesn't deserve nice shit, either, and we shouldn't encourage people who want nice shit to take his job, but he should be able to gain skills at work without having to take a second job to provide a basic existence for himself. That's how you get high school kids to learn some shit and get out of the house. They go on to be better paid chefs and managers in later employment, and get higher paying jobs, and nicer shit. But that doesn't change the holding problem, because that shit is what society deserves. Not you, not me, not Jamal, and not the guy at the top of the company. He deserves some really nice shit, but not billions of dollars depressing the economy sitting off shore.

>>127920932
He has an island. He has robots farm and prepare his food. He doesn't need to buy your potatoes.

>>127922459
Cucked the kike
>>127922537
>thinks any corporations actually pay that level of tax
>thinks that any owners of corporations pay that level of tax
>lacks the ability to think about whole systems
Yep, a fucking burger.

>>127921943
refute anything he said anon

>>127922752
Do you really think they just "bury the money", do you really think the money just sits there? How fucking stupid are you? When you put money in the bank, do you think all of it just sits there? Do you think the interest you get is because they feel like nice people?

>>127922857

He apparently doesn't need my labor either then, does he?

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>>127922079

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ITT: the poor defending the rich's fucked up jew schemes

lmao, you couldn't make this shit up if you tried. do you guys think someday you'll also be in the 1% you fucking retards?

>>127914833
this

>>127920821
>the currency would lose all its value and everyone would use something else
Wait a second! You mean to say that the people would just print up more money to replace the money that was removed from the economy and buried in the treasure island? But isn't that the same as theft? Printing money? I thought we all agreed that wasn't allowed, that we just have to come up with something that the rich guy wants to pay us for or we starve to death.

>>127922857
He doesn't have shit without our permission. All these betas RPing as alphas wouldn't need to lick the boots of some manufactured ideal they put on a pedestal if they were alphas.
>>127922935
Grabbing more resources for private ownership doesn't do fuck all for me. Why am I supporting that degenerate activity again?
>>127923018
This burger gets it.

>>127914097
>challenger was due to middle management retards pushing for a launch when the engineers knew there was a problem

>>127923018
also this, absolutely disgusting

Kikes hoard their money? Who'd a thunk.

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>>127923060
>But isn't that the same as theft? Printing money? I thought we all agreed that wasn't allowed

Nice strawman, really great strawman

>>127922857
Real world scenarios, please, not fantasies built to uphold your preconceived notions.

>>127923288
More about kicking liberals in the teeth. One party at a time, leaf.

>>127922905
>>127922459
I see we have group shilling
How do I refute dumb ideas like "some guy refuses to sped his shekels on me so I'll starve to death"?

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>>127914991
I dream of a day cuckservatives can be purged and we can have proper right wing leaders rather than the parasitic controlled opposition of today.
>>127915160
>are so in control why do they need to hide their money
Because they are not "so in control" as in they are gods, they are in control enough to work the system and make it so they can do this.
Binary thinking is a sign of low intelligence.

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>>127923549
While the billionaire globalists rob these retards blind

>>127921377

I'll try again.

They fucked US when we became a global currency.
I'm a believer in "you make where you sell."
You want to sell something in America, you make it in America. Or China or Egypt or wherever.
Kind of a spin on the "shop local, buy local" but on a grander scale. If you intend to sell some product in a particular region, manufacture that product in that region. Sure its nice to buy local produce at the farmers market and support your local growers but if Samsung had to make tvs in America, they would have to manufacture those tvs in America providing jobs and local investment. You could import tax the crap out of the goods made overseas being brought here to "price match" so cheaper goods wouldn't be available.
$25,000 Ford from America, $15,000 Ford made in Mexico but there's a $10,000 tax on the mexican Ford so you might as well buy the American made Ford.
The trade agreements we have are total crap because they allow the importation of cheaper goods and the "socking away" of that income.

>>127923632
I see your vile Jewish sorcery at work you filthy worm. Stop trying to crash the world economy you fucking kike.

I read that as
S E T H R I C H
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I
C
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>>127923713
Marcotte invented the fake Bernie Bro narrative. Opinion discarded

>>127923713
holy shit fix your font rendering
I've got eye cancer now

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>>127923810
Na they fucked us at the Jekyll island accord.
We weren always as cucked.
Just take the power back.

>>127918182
Yeah that argument would work if people were using above-the-table methods to acquire that money.
The only reason the "1%" has as much money as they do is because the law literally does not apply to them.

>>127917267
huh, I didn't know that.

>>127922935
>Do you think the interest you get is because they feel like nice people?
Actually, interest rates are manipulated to manipulate the velocity of money. The interest money in banks have been getting has been pretty low for a long time. And that's to motivate wealthy people to spend that money or see it lose value to inflation. So instead of taxing people we can just manipulate rates, even setting them negative, and the result is the same: the wealthy guy is worth less. He can spend it or lose it.

people defend the 1%ers.....how stupid can you be?

The game is rigged and they don't know when to stop winning
How many fucking billions do they need?
How many yachts?

Everything over $5 million a year income should be taxed at 99% and companies get the same when they earn over $2 billion a year

if they can't survive on that, fuck them

>>127923632
>isn't able to refute anything said

>i suck billionaires cocks

>>127912113
It should not only be allowed but encouraged.

Look at what your government does with the money. People who protect wealth from those locusts are heroes, not villains.

>>127914025

Nice words salad crypto commie

>>127922752
You're just a retard and are completely clueless with regard to reality. You obviously don't work in finance, have never held a job.

Here's a short intro into reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3aeDQwOSSs

>>127924117
The rich guy has ways of gaining more return on each dollar with far less effort than the poor guy. The rich need to be targeted somehow. Noblesse oblige used to be the way it was done, but it's all but vanished these days. They're barely even obliged to hire people with their money. Somehow simply owning property is perversely seen as some sort of service to society.

>>127924389
>You obviously never worked in finance
The day of the rope comes for you useless priests first.

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>>127916162

Tip. Read pic related before telling others about econ 101

>>127924233
You should be thrown out of a helicopter.
If you can't survive that, fuck you.

>>127923810
I see nothing wrong with this.

>>127924039
What does that even mean

>>127924549
Always nice when a class enemy openly declares himself.

>>127924346
That's all you've got? Really?
No arguments, just going to slyly imply I'm something less than mentally sound?
That kind of desperation suits you to a T.

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>>127924233
>>127918857
yes mega tax them to death! I'm sure we an trust the government with all that mone-

oh

SPOILER ALERT: I'd say the only solution is nuclear fire if the (((super rich))) didn't already have luxury bunkers at the ready to survive it

the mega bank and the mega government and the mega corporations are literally too big to fail. and that is why they must fail.

>>127924233
How dare you attack my wealthy elite overlords like that


t. Trump voter

>>127924549
I'm taking your bitch ass out the door with me.

>>127924054

Their money influences the laws when it shouldn't.
That's a problem with common man and his envy doing whatever it takes to achieve a place where he can be manipulated by money.
We would have to fix man at that point. Hard to determine which law maker will not be swayed by monetary influence.
Most people in this thread are totally comfortable with stealing other people's money to make them feel better. Those same people put into politics would do whatever to make their lives more comfortable, too.

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>>127924743
it looks like you put a fat ass chromatic aberration filter on your screenshot

>>127924544
i have fggt? are you going to give me a cookie?

can you then explain what he couldn't to me?

>>127924996
I don't think it's envy. If it is, it's because the rich have been indoctrinating us to compete with one another instead of cooperating. If everyone is fed and sheltered, there is almost no reason to fight over anything. LIberal capitalism requires scarcity to work properly, and if it doesn't exist, it will have to be created.

>>127924806

>class enemy

Your gay your mommas gay and the goat she fucked to produce you is probably gay

>>127924810
>suits you

Yes its suits an an anonymous person shitposting on an anonymous imageboard. Anon you sure have this anon figured out

>>127925075
Looks the exact same and i dont know what that is

>>127912113
because americans are all temporarily embarassed millionaires who are gonna make it any day now just you wait

also how dare my money go towards schools in the area when i don't have kids, or paying for welfare things like food stamps which put more value back into the economy than they take out via their tax dollar drain? i don't use them!

>>127925220
Start arguing anytime.

>>127922537
>Yet, these leftists never accept the argument that they're too high
No I agree that corporate taxes are too high (I don't align left or right though). You want corporate taxes to be low to help with job creation and production, but there does need to be mechanisms in place to prevent a company like Dutch East India or Google from ruling the world. But money that's NOT PRODUCTIVE needs to be taxed like hell. And that's basically why we have central banks, since we can't easily identify and tax money that isn't doing anything, we just set rates to zero or negative so that people have to spend the money or watch it be inflated away.

>>127924806
Your revolution will never come, dumbass.
Marx was wrong. Communism wasn't eminent. isn't inevitable, but is actually impossible.

>>127925165
that is real true and I think the school system as this purpose to create that toxic competition and class division mentality.
It isolate the people that are more efficient to learning something at heart and roboticaly without asking question and isolate the potential leader and question asker and push them out of the drone society.

>>127924389
I did work in finance. Not currently though. Since I don't need to work. Since I'm bitcoin rich.

This is why I like trumps tax plan. It would make these people actually pay some taxes.

>>127925089

Yes you will get a cookie.

Utility argument:
The net economic benefits of government programs will always be negative therefore the more wealth in private hands is more benificial.

Philosophical argument:
Direct taxation on a persons wealth or income implies that government has a legitimate claim on the product of your labor. Therefore when direct taxation is addressed the question is not how much you give the government but how much the government lets you keep. Functionaly you are slave to the government. This is fundamentally immoral.

>>127925628
>we just set rates to zero or negative so that people have to spend the money or watch it be inflated away.
yeah, and how's that working out so far?

>>127925644
>wanting more money to go to the 99% instead of a handful of billionaire globalists
>being a communist

Surely there is a middle ground

>>127912239
>>127912430
>itt: neocons try to defend kike trickery

>>127925644
Not impossible at all once the better-thans are in shallow graves.
>>127925794
You got it.
>>127926004
That's not philosophy. That's ideology. In other words, making shit up.
>The net economic benefits of government programs will always be negative
Proofs. Use accounting, not muh economic postulates.

>>127925628
>And that's basically why we have central banks
are you crazy or do you truly believe that ?
>we just set rates to zero or negative so that people have to spend the money or watch it be inflated away
You understand that this practice is a massive test made by the Richest of them all and they don't even know where it will lead.
Read this first.
https://www.rt.com/business/356148-rothschild-experiment-world-economy/
Then this.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/rothschild-dumps-us-dollar-for-gold-other-currencies-bitcoin

>>127915248
Said no businessman ever.

>implying the planet has 21 trillion dollars worth of wealth

it's literally just scams, schemes and fraudulent bullshit.

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>>127914833
>>127915248
>>127916138
>>127921807
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>>127923713
>>127924743
>>127924917
>>127925315
>>127926109
Hey Obama leaf. BTFOing right wing retards as usual I see

>>127916138
Your a leaf, what would you know about economics.

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>>127925342

Ill get right on that fag

>>127912113
cause they are jews and jews arn't white

>>127926510

>>127926208
Nope. You limp-wristed faggots are the first in the gulags, and a new batch of strongmen take over as the new ruling class. We've seen it time and time again.

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>>127912113
> be plebit cuck
> buy ipads, 10 bucks coffee, 100 bucks scarf
> get angry when brands and their owners get this much money

>>127926208

Ill play this game. Prove the goverment provides a net benefit first.

>ideology not philosophy
k. Nice side step. My views are derived from Natural law nigga. Particularly the ideas of subsidiarity as outline by St. Thomas Aquinas

>>127926004
so privatize everything and be rid of government regulation? who pays for the things government provides like the social security your grandma relies on? whos going to pay for our decaying infrastructure and roads?

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>>127926770

>>127926760
your delusional if you expect them to share anything what you fail to understand is you are replaceable for them you are cattle. When you get ride of the poor you suddenly become the new poor. So what now ?
This crap has to stop. How far humanity could be without the greed of the few.

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>>127927073
Because America is a free country and everyone should be allowed to save his money in Egypt.

>>127927070
>who provides for social services

Charity and nuclear family

>who pays for roads

The people who use them

>>127927073
The real wage gap!

>>127927222

Communist like to bitch about greed alot when forgetting that envy is also a mortal sin.

>>127924813
Real theft right dere!

>>127927379
>taxes

LMAO

>>127925165

Oh its envy.
>>127925794

Even in school.
>Why does that smart person with richer parents go to a better college?
Its no duh but now the government steps in and gives everyone equal opportunity.
But they can't pay for it so the guy with the average grades and the average job and average kid gets taxed a little more so someone else's average kid has an opportunity to go to an above average school when his own kid doesn't even go to school.

I don't understand why the government has to control everything for people. If the people at Harvard want retards to go to their school then those Harvard people should be paying for the retards. Not some random dude getting taxed because he has a job somewhere.

Competition is good. Competition makes things better. It's envy and lust for power that ruined almost everything. People no longer have influence, money does.

>>127912113
JEWS AND THE OWNERS OF THE FED SHELD TRILLIONS OF JEW BUCKS.

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>>127926722
I was hoping for a smug off

>>127912654
cost is cost
The fact that they pay back their cost does not stop them from having cost
a business does not cost nothing because it generates income, it just generates income to repay what building it costed

>>127923236
Go back to bed, comrade!

>>127922799
what

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>>127927728
This is as close as I get to smug anime girls.
I prefer to shop images.

>>127926215
so what you're saying is that we should buy bitcoin.

>>127927640
>Oh its envy.
Yes goyim if you dare think your life is worth more than your few sheckels you are envying others. That is a slave mentality.
>People no longer have influence, money does.
Wasn it Tolstoy who said that “Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal - that there is no human relation between master and slave”..

Not that I like Tolstoy but...

>>127922799

Is that just proof that the government doesn't know how to invest?
Or is that some kind of troll math?

>>127918802
>why does /pol/ complain about the jews influencing society when they never want to take away the tool that lets them influence it?
I would love to get rid of the federal government

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>>127914994
>I think the levels of tax the government request is ridiculous especially on higher earners.

Basically this.

I used to work for a company based in London as an Oil and Gas Consultant, but was paying more than £30,000 in income tax alone each year.

I quit to work as an independent contractor and now earn about the same working 6 months every two years or so and because of this pay virtually no tax (all completely legal).

The problem with high taxation is that at some point people evade it or simply stop working.

Why should HM Treasury steal pretty much half of my earnings?

Fuck that bullshit.

>>127929021
>government is evil
>get rid of government
The federal government is a tool, you are right, and so are guns, and they cause a lot of harm, should we get rid of them too?

>>127928801
Yes, I truly believe they try to crash global economy to push their one world currency before BRICS become a threat and they have to change their plan and the only true safe place is gold/silver and digital currency.
If the US economy goes past 2017 it will be a miracle at this point.

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>>127928402

I appreciate the effort

>>127929450
>and so are guns, and they cause a lot of harm
No they dont
Also the Feds cause severe harm and provide almost no value