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Do you think a war similar to the Bosnian War may arise in America?

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A ton of the same things are happening. People don't like our president, and people are threatening to revolt. This is kinda what happened in Bosnia, half hated the new leader and revolted. Will this happen in the USA soon? What do you think /pol/?
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>>127911477
just read civil war 2
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>>127911477
Do you actually think liberals have the balls to revolt?
Even if they did, what the fuck are they going to do? Shout at people while holding FUCK DRUMPF signs?
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No because there were Muslims in the Bosnian war. If anything it will become like the guilt ridden baader meinhof group.
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>>127911477

>exterminate all the democrat leaders - mostly jews, no loss.

>hold emergency elections to replace democrats

>change government to replublican run strong hold.

>use US military to quell any small uprisigns.

Leftists have no, guns or food. We cut off the cities and they starve to death in weeks. They will beg for republicans and country people to feed them.

Mostly bloodless coup, only a few thousands to 10s of thousand deaths.

mostly leftists and shitskin kids who starve to death.
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>>127912060

liberals make some edgy signs, all that edge might cut some people.. as the signs flitter through the air.. from the falling bodies in the hail of bullets.
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>>127911477
I think we need a Government based on Mussolini's government. We need to make America strong, and unify all the races ,other than Jews ofc.
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>>127912556
Sounds good to me son!
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>>127911477
your people are too safe and comfortable to fight, as is the case with most western countries
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>>127911477

Anyone who thinks a serious revolution will ever happen in America is retarded.

80% of people just go on living their lives and don't give a shit or are even aware of politics. The Military would also put down any opposition immediately. It's a pipe-dream. Whether you you are for or against the US Government, it's powerful, influential and it's roots are deep in the ground.. And people don't like loosing their power and influence.
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>>127912060
this "liberal" and "right-wing" narrative is so sophomoric. for a community claiming to be "red-pilled" you sure do rely on ridiculously black and white language
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>>127914964
>you sure do rely on ridiculously black and white language
fuck off nigger
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>>127911477
One can only hope.
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>>127915072
simply epic. so epic and funy
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>>127914772
>The Military would also put down any opposition immediately.
*Police would put down opposition. The military is the likeliest source of a revolution, not the citizenry at large

>>127912556
>We cut off the cities and they starve to death in weeks.
>tfw West coast cityfag
>tfw I finally get to openly shoot these cancerous "people" as I die of dehydration
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>>127915333
it wasn't a joke
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>>127911477
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFtFUX10oZw

If so, we should fight like our ancestors to defend our white Christian heritage.
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>>127911477
>no cleaning rod
disgusting
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>>127911477

Hope so. It's the only way to 1488
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>>127915591
haha your on fire today keep us entertained with this fresh wit
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>>127912556
one can only dream
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>>127915382
>The military is the likeliest source of a revolution, not the citizenry at large

No in the US. Patriotism and loyalty are its foundation. Maybe if the president were to start asking for for cabinet members to be killed or was ordering them to fire on citizens or something sure.
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>>127914964
>4chan.com/pol/
>redpilled
Kek, this place is 70% memes, 25% news, and maybe 5% useful info. I lurk for a good thread now and then but this place is plebbit tier. To assume that the majority posters here are educated on Nietzsche, Spengler, Engel, or even Marx or actual WW2 history would be ignorant.
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>>127911477
People keep saying "half" but I would say it's more like 70-30. The "lefties" just have the media and they cry the longest and loudest giving the impression of "half". So I say all you low information nutjobs SHOULD revolt and then learn a lesson. Y'all need a good collective bending over my knee. It's gonna hurt me more than it hurts you......
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listen bud, the last thing you ever want is a war.
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>>127915072
You are pure cancer
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>>127915382
No way in hell the military is gonna revolt against Trump.
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>>127911477
>A ton of the same things are happening.

Aside from widespread poverty, lack of a competent military/industrial infrastructure, and a politically minded and rambunctious middle class.
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>>127916105
>this
The U.S Military is largely pro-Trump, especially with Mad Dog Mattis. If anything they'll be on the right side in a Civil War and most likely will win compared to a group of rugged lefties.
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>>127911477
For the first time in my life I'd feel bad for liberals because the hell that would rain down on them would be so brutal and so quick that they'd sooner tear their skin off than ever speak their drivel again
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>>127915960
>>127916060
>4chan.com
fuck off nu/pol/ faggot
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>>127916314
>in his mind everything is "liberals vs conservatives"

ahh to be a simpleton
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we would have to be a former-ussr shithole first for that to be even a remote possibility
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>>127916105
>No way in hell the military is gonna revolt against Trump.
We're having a conversation about systemic issues that existed before the Trump presidency, still exist during the Trump presidency, and will still exist after the Trump presidency. If, in this context, you jump to an idea of a revolt happening during the term of the current president, you are simply a retard that needs to go back to Mexico. Who is going to be pres in 8 years?

The worst part is, you didn't even intentionally make that red herring, you are simply stupid
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>>127915960
This desu. Old pol was actually good
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>liberals create chaos with riots and unrest
>NatGuard and police are activated almost all the time
>Nigs continue to Nog
>Police too busy to keep the boot where it belongs
>Citizen brigades start to form and patrol to take up slack
>Bag a few Roods who are legit Nogging
>Militant left turns it's own butthole inside out protesting
>Cops have to step in on armed citizens to protect Dindu Rights

It won't be armed liberals v. armed conservatives, it will be upstanding citizens squaring off with LEOs who are being compelled by politicians at the behest of urban citizens.
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>>127911477

Once one of those leftist fags gets no scoped they're all gonna cry and go back home to mommy and daddy

Not worried
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>>127914558
Your people can't even own a gun dumb bong let alone a knife
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>>127914964
you sure sound well-learned, could you please tell us what would happen then?
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>>127911477
>Marxist effeminate faggots
>War

K-E-K
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>>127916281
>Trump will be president forever
Mexican intellectual DETECTED
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>>127916799
so how does that have anything to do with my comment at all

did i hurt your feelings and send you into defense mode for telling you the truth?
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>>127912556
This. It's almost as if none of them have conceptualized fighting a real war. It's going to be pretty interesting watching the lefty divisions run into supply issues on the first day once their iPhones die and they run out of Nutella. Also judging by the shit that makes them miserable they will be broken and routing towards the coast within days of any actual fighting. Als trump has he football you dumb cunts. Game over right there as your shorty leftist cities get reduced to radioactive piles.
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>>127916694
It started going downhill when Hiroshima took over and its only going to get worse
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>>127917099
your assuming ALL burgers are comfy and lazy, I'm not coming at you from a cityfag state of mind, I live innawoods very comfy but I work hard and so does most everyone round here. We all have guns, fucking loads and you fags can't even own a knife.
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>>127916387
>implying you actually contribute to discussion instead of spouting memes
You are right, am I fairly new. But was I wrong? >>127915960
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>>127911477
>The left
>Revolting

Yes the left are revolting (:^)), but they wouldn't fucking dream of actually doing anything. Even they know their faux tolerance and doublespeak doesn't make them bulletproof.
There will be an American civil war, it just won't last very long.
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>>127912556
>>127917301
what makes you think you would be any different to this "lefty" boogeyman that you have created in a war situation? are you a combat veteran?

stop creating this hypothetical opposition in your head

>>127917555
what the fuck does working hard have to do with anything? i didnt realise manual labour readies you for war. stop being a retard

and yes we can own guns and knives
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>>127917584
Are you seriously trying to denigrate /pol/ with that kind of entry level namedropping? Check your ego faggot. You're fucking posting right in the middle of burger primetime, who are you trying to impress
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>>127916694
Pffft. /pol/ was never good.
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to everyone making comments about critical mass, rather, are there enough of (x) or (y) category for this or that outcome:

the US has lost very few combatants in the longest war in its history.

3 buildings and 2000 dead irrevocably changed the course of events

3 dead dindus set 3 separate cities on fire

it is not the amount, it is the impact.
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>>127914964
Pretty certain he's using those terms to get to the point. If someone says "liberal" I don't for one second think they're a liberal in any sense of the word and I know they don't have my interests even on their radar. Etc.
There's a 2000 character limit. Verbosity on here is only relevant if you're dropping some huge truthbomb or phrases people never use and need to explain them. Other than that there isn't any point unless you want people to speak like Mr Logic (he's a comicbook character before you ask).
I'm sure you already knew that though.
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>>127914772
This is the way America ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
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>>127918554
>If someone says "liberal" I don't for one second think they're a liberal in any sense of the word

so its basically just virtue signalling to all the other posters that you are totally part of the cool club and not like those stoopid liberuls

there's being succinct and then there's dumbing things down to an idiotic level that promotes this kind of echo chamber behaviour
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>>127917301
laughable to use nukes on US soil, no need against the "leftist army". as a vet of two branches, one combat rotation, it's utterly laughable - they would starve in weeks. we would shut off all running water and eliminate all food supplies and power. Game over. Full Stop. Limited meaningful loss of life - only jews and shitskins.
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>>127918092
Vet of two branches, one combat rotation, 5 family member in service or police. 27 rural acres and a gun room vault. I'm not saying I'd live, but it would be worth the it if I died.
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>>127918092
Dude you're annoying. If the left / right dicotomy is so simplistic for us mere peons, please enlighten us on what your assessment of the conflict is.

>Globalism vs Nationalism
>Rich vs Poor
>Conservative vs Liberal
>Male vs Female
>Order vs Chaos

Comon smart guy.
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>>127919550
>>127919740
>two branches
which ones, what MOS/rate?

old Army musician turd here
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>>127919858
it's the all inclusive tranny blue haird landwhales and their ultra secret combat skills vs. us all..

I watch CNN, I know what's up.
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Do it US bros. Be amazing TV.
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>>127919858
what conflict? none of this has any basis in reality so it hasnt been established yet
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>>127911477
>Do you think a war similar to the Bosnian War may arise in America?
No. Fed government looks very strong. EU on the other hand...
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>>127920290
riiiiiight... someone overdosed on the bluepill
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>>127920057
12P and STG

12P, played civilization while getting shot at STG was my cruise afterwards - surface sonar guy
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>>127916525
It's even easier to define politics in your country. You're a bunch of disarmed slaves of an inbred German crime family.
Be careful how you respond so you don't get arrested.
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>>127920659
nice argument. carry on with your LARP fantasies, mr super army guerilla soldier
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bosnian war? no.

a resurgence of leftist terror groups kind of like the weathermen and shit sending letter bombs and robbing banks? quite possible.
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>>127920846
Yes, Berkeley was larping... not based in reality...

I bet you support the bikelock guy too.
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>>127920723
as long as you have a narrative that makes you feel like you are knowledgeable about the world and not a dumb hick that has never left his state let alone country, then good for you
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>>127920723

>Be careful how you respond so you don't get arrested.
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>>127912556
>>127917301
It'll be social unrest where you keep seeing reprisal killings based off politics with both sides condemning the other as responsible. This would result in migrations that further polarize the states into red or blue. The governments of blue states would understand the necessity of securing resources such as water and food in case of civil war.
The "Fort Sumter" of the war will be this place
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandenberg_Air_Force_Base
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>>127921010
i didnt realise berkeley was a civil war situation. how many people got killed?
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>>127921259

dozen of sprained cankles
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>>127911477
I was 10 years old when the Bosnian war happened, and it no one saw it coming. One day things were normal, next there were men driving around killing muslims. If it happens here, you won't see it coming, I promise.
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>>127912060
i mean there was the weather underground
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>>127911477
It is inevitable because it is cyclical.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/civil-unrest/obama-setting-up-shadow-government-civil-unrest-will-lead-to-civil-war/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/civil-unrest/if-you-want-to-know-why-civil-war-is-possible-just-look-at-this/
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>>127921259
Many feelings were triggered... and many dreams died. Which is part of the culture war we're in.

You aren't thinking about it in the metaphysical sense; too grounded in reality.
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>>127921010
i know you are being sarcastic, but Berkley was the definition of LARPing. They went in and hyped themselves up on internet rhetoric and ideological circle jerking. When confronted with actual members and representatives of their once imaginary adversary, they lost control of themselves and their image management.

remember, the Bolsheviks were a day behind the revolution in setting up a government because, to a man, they were blackout drunk.
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>>127921392
america doesn't have a lot of muslims though. we have few religious problems, luckily the next generation will be mostly atheist.
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>>127921234
this guy actually gets it.
Also please dont forget how organized the left actually is, look at the protest in Texas the other day. If the right wanted to right now flood enough people into a states capital to shut it down for a couple hours, out side maybe a dozen states, it wouldn't happen.
Organizations like BAMN are like cults, and I am sure some of these fuckers ARE willing to die for their cause, and the left loves martyrs. Don't sleep on these guys because they wear rompers and only eat vegetables.
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>>127921630
>rare

konichewa nigga
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>>127915960
I miss old pol, discussing evola, I can't even remeber the last lit thread on here that wasn't plagued with the chimpanzee chillout Jew and no reading ivankas book doesn't make you redpilled
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>>127911477
Are you really implying a bunch of beta males and women (whom are also opposed to gun ownership) are going start an armed revolution?
>blue areas want revolution
>red areas own all the guns
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>>127921861
Oh the antifa were definitely larping;

I was defending the average patriot there as not a larper
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>>127922158
lets be honest they were all larping
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>>127922104
im not saying i disagree, but you should overlay that map with a county breakdown for population. consider that about half of potential voters actually vote. consider that if person A has 1 gun and person B has 10 guns they are just as evenly matched as person C and D having no guns between them.

An army a day away is never as effective as an uprising in your backyard.

>>127922632
true, but one side was playing Right Side of History and the other was playing Age of Empires.
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>>127921876
We had nothing against muslims, the problems started when territories wanted to secede. There was a lot of talk and life was normal until it wasn't. The violence happened overnight and was started by gangsters similar to BLM. Then the normal people got involved and before we knew it, we were in a war.
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>>127915727

I know, they didn't even get the AK 47 right
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>>127916694
>anything on a Cambodian shoe making forum
>ever good
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>>127922632
but that's not being honest tho...
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>>127922821
>consider that if person A has 1 gun and person B has 10 guns they are just as evenly matched
I would tend to agree but very few people end up buying 10+ firearms and not shooting them. The person who owns one gun is most likely the person who bought the pistol and put it in the top of his/her closet. By contrast the the other person probably shoots their guns.

t. Guy who owns 30+ firearms
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>>127911477
Why's there like 5 or 6 "Balkinization of the USA" threads up right now? Russia, tell your handlers to dial it back just enough to seem plausible.
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>>127912556
While I don't disagree with your points, never underestimate a crazy person. And if they've shown us nothing else, they've shown us that they're unbalanced.

This is a curious question (the OP). I knew several lefties at the turn of the century who were in Bosnia (some kind of aid/ relief program, I thought. But then, they were involved in A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition, too- so maybe it was some sort of activism).
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>>127911477
>tfw USA will be Balkanized within your lifetime
Feelsgoodman.jpg
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>>127922840
>>127921392

this strikes me as rather ill informed. if no one saw it coming, how did Slovenes and Croats get their forces into position so quickly, considering that the Yugoslavian Army was based in Belgrade? There was 10 years between the death of Tito and the Break Up. Yugoslavia was 3rd world, so the existence of the USSR was not a large factor. If it was out of left field, then how come the battle lines mirrored the old conflicts from WWII?

There is often a disconnect between what seems to be going on to the average person and what is actually going on.

Also, your bog standard Slav is fucking retarded, so i can imagine even rainstorms can often come as a shocking suprise to them.
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>>127923397
you misunderstand me. mine was an argument of appendage utilization, not experience.
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>>127923758
I grew up in Bosnia, we thought it was over with Slovenia, which didn't concern us. No one saw it coming, at least where we lived.
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>>127911477
liberals are pussies. they backdown any time they meet the least bit of resistance.
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>>127914772
Military is not going to turn on their own fellow citizens, well not the conservative citizens. I could see military and civilians attacking liberals and blowing up their favorite places to congregate and burning their neighborhoods. What would they do, make more protest signs, send out nasty tweets?
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You all are very unimaginative in how a second american civil war could start. At this point, most of us have seen (pic related) explaining why the US government would never risk a civil war. Unfortunately, the situation has changed. With Trump in power, whether we like him or not, the Right is now considered the government. And as such, with the US presenting the most pressing and viable threat to the Global Elite's chokehold on the West, it is possible that they would consider hitting ctr-alt-del on the US preferable to allowing further expansion of the burgeoning right-wing movement. The first thing many point out in such a thread is that they see now means for the left to win a civil war due to the greater militaristic culture of the right. (more guns, outdoorsy, veterans, etc) This is a gross underestimation of the capabilities of the enemy that we face. They will not start a civil war without the intent to win; "winning" in this case is not limited to a sucessful coup d'etat, but could take on many forms so long as it is conducive to their overall strategies. We also make the mistake of assuming that there will be clear impetus and divisions in such a war; likely measures will be taken to either dissuade members of the right from taking up arms against them, or subverting them such that they fight against their own principals. Example of this would be faking evidence for a Trump impeachment; if believable enough, much of the military would fight for the left, putting their own principals aside to fight to "protect" the Constitution, not knowing that they are just shoring up the Left's takeover.
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>>127924545
yeah not like you mr big strong man :)
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>>127911477
>pussified millenials fighting

kek
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>>127915879
That is exactly why the military would be the source of the violence. Leftists and commies must be put down.
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>>127924702
see>>127916706

thoughts?
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>>127924691
>Military is not going to turn on their own fellow citizens
That's what everyone thinks until the tanks start rolling down the street.
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>>127916966
k-e-k
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>>127925183
its about the generals and the officers. the rank and file follow orders.
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>>127924702

No we totally realize that (((our enemy))) prefers to have our own radicals start fights while they sit back and eat cottage cheese.

We're not having a brothers war.

They are going to try and fake evidence for a Trump impeachment. But that's not going to work either.

Overall nothing will happen. Trump will serve out his 8 years and retire, while the left froths at the mouth to genocide us.
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>>127924870
get out of here old man, this here site is for the young'uns
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>>127925233
Those were homophobic, hard working men from a country that banned abortion and encouraged women to have 10+ children. You're not anything like them, you limp dick faggot
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>>127925183
>That's what everyone thinks until the tanks start rolling down the street.

This is literally how revolutions that result in the military shooting their own officers happen historically.
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>>127911477
the russians have been pushing the "USA will balkanize at any moment now goys!" meme since the cold war. every 10 years a new russian super genius predicts that within the next couple of years the USA will begin to balkanize, and then nothing happens.
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>>127924962
>Leftists and commies must be put down.

Not really, we just need to put Hillary Clinton in federal prison. The remaining rats will probably flee the country and we can continue to MAGA.
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>>127914558
Sounds like this snaggletooth biscuit muncher has only encountered city liberals. Try visiting Kentucky, tennessee or texas sometime and tell me that. The only weak cucks in this country are leftists who are anti gun
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>>127925778
Don't believe for a moment that the US military is somehow immune to circumstance. Just because it has never happened here, don't believe it's impossible or even unlikely. Men are capable of anything under the right circumstances.
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>>127926370

They can't even conceptualize the idea that men would put their own lives in danger. They're so used to violence by proxy in the form of the military and the police.

This is our country though and not theirs. We will make them flee it if they continue to incite violence against us.
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>>127911477
This is possible scenario.
You have 50 decentralised states, with different law, different people, you have many social problems e.t.c
You need some litlle critical hits to soft points, and civil war begins.
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>>127925024
Seems viable; it'll have to get pretty bad for militias to start forming and patrolling, though. The right is incredibly slow to action compared to the left, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>>127925587
That's what I'd like to think, but it's always good to be prepared for the unthinkable. The military writes up and keeps on file plans for an conceivable situation the US might find itself in, so that when something happens they already have a lot of thinking done that they can start from.
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>>127926616
>Men are capable of anything under the right circumstances.

Yeah and when they're ordered to do violence against their own people in revolt, they are more than capable of shooting their own officers and defecting to the side of their kin.
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>>127924702
Here's a dump from yesterday; kinda what I was basing my stuff on.
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>>127924691

most of us would abandon post, risk an article in case of civil strife - who would be around to enforce it? sure as hell not the MPs or civi PD. we would go home, load up and ignore the shit for awhile - in reality.

In fan fiction I would love us to coup the democrats and just inform the US that their party is now outlawed. Deal with a single teir system repercussions until suitable people can be found in emergency elections.
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>>127911477
These libs who want a war are delusional.
It won't be like the Ukraine, or Egypt, or any other Soros funded operation.

They will get rekt.

You have militias that have been training since the 90's. And many others who were training and preparing throughout the Obama years. Not to mention the military will not join the rebels.

I think those idiots who keep talking about wanting to start a revolution are LARPing and haven't yet realized that they have shit for brains.

This is what happens when you don't disipline your children.
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>>127924702
You make it seem like it will be military against a civilian force. Why would any significant armed civilian groups fight the military and what would be their motivation?

Or are you suggesting a coup situation, with the military supporting the true elected president and a group of the "deep state" trying to take over?
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>>127911477
look man these people cry when their president didnt win. you think they can handle combat? Theres nothing inspiring about Hillary. she's a career politician that has used her power to become filthy rich by taking obvious bribes disguised as speaking fee's.
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>>127911477
In ukraine about 4 % rioted and the government ((resigned))
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>>127926754
don't assume that the soldiers ordered to kill you see you as "their own people". In fact, don't assume anything. If anything ever did happen, you would never see it coming. The history books are full of such stories.
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>>127911477
I voted for Bernie then Jill but I'll take up arms to defend Trump. F these idiots who think they want a fight. Most rank and file cops & soldiers want to MAGA. The real fear is that the deep state will JFK him. That's worst case scenario. If that happens we have to roll the heads of Rothschilds--all of them.
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If there were to be a revolt/civil war in the CONUS we would see the end of all pretense of constitutionality and a complete collapse of the world as we know it. There would be a replacement of all state assemblies, courts, and governor offices with federal replacements or direct military rule; state national guards will be absorbed into the federal military or simply dissolved. Martial law and curfews as well as strict rationing of fuel, electricity, and other commodities would become the norm, leading to black markets and even more outright surveillance of economic exchanges (up to and including a ban of all hard currency in transactions). Internet service will simply disappear as ISPs won't be able to operate under increased electricity rationing. Universities will close or go on indefinite hiatus, bank branches will likely close save for one or two within major population centers, airports will be closed to clear airspace for the military, train transportation will likely become the norm, etc.

Most companies would simply cease operating as the impact upon the world economy would be devastating. Oceanic shipping would grind to a halt and the highways wound likely be emptied to make way for American military transports and carefully searched food and fuel trucks. You will need to apply for internal passports in order to be outside your assigned area.

The vast majority of the suburban and urban populations will be helpless to fight against these measures, or more likely, they will embrace them with open arms. Rural populations out west will likely find a higher degree of liberty but will suffer by the disruption of transportation. It depends.
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>>127927164
I expect the military to be much more fractured than anyone usually expects, probably some going to either side, others attempting to remain neutral, and still more trying to hold things down abroad while the homeland sorts itself out.
>>127929153
This is the situation we have to strive hardest to avoid - it would be disastrous to the world, but would also clear the way for a new governmental structure to arise. This shit gets really scary really fast.

Been reading this article from a thread yesterday: http://archive.is/WPrYb
First half is details on the craziness happening in the 70s, and the second is a very interesting analysis of how things look in the modern situation. Highly recommend the read, it's pretty amusing and interesting and more than a little frightening.
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>>127919238
they see us not as lost violent souls but only as the hollow men, the empty men
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>>127912060
PRobably just make a bunch of "symbolic" gestures like they always do without actually accomplishing anything. Meanwhile they are getting BTFO as usual by people who actually do accomplish things
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>>127911477
No. there was more to the Bosnian thing. People may hate Trump but that doesnt mean they would hate the government or wanna revolt. It's not so black and white either. USA has a bunch of different shades on both sides. Also important to understand out of everyone in the country, only 20% really ever vote for the sitting president. Alot of people dont vote and those that dont might be with Trump simply because they dont care. So let's take that into account. Let's say there was a revolt. Taking these numbers into account, the most youd have that support the revolt would be close to 25%. Those actually fighting, you'd be lucky if you got 15%. Needless to say they would not last. Not to mention who ever revolted would need military support or else they would be totally wrecked by U.S. military. And the military is pretty supportive of Trump.
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>>127927407
>don't assume that the soldiers ordered to kill you see you as "their own people".

I am one of them. And it will come to a shock to you when I tell you, we're not the liberals' attack dogs. Thats what Black Lives Matter and Antifa do.
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>>127911477

How many liberals actually own guns tho?
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Americans in general are too cucked to revolt. Conservatives are too busy sucking Trumps cock to see te cracks, and Lefties are too weak to get shit done.
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>>127911477
Oh but it will be exponentially worse. So so so much worse.
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>>127914964
Because we all have time to type out a massive diatribe on our understanding of the spectrum on which these two points lie instead of just using common terms.
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