"Islam saved classical knowledge through the middle ages"

I do know that Europe had a renaissance during the 13th century, which allowed them to build up their academic infrastructure in time for the proper one.

I believe at this time, a facet of Islam was all about acquiring knowledge and what-not. Of course that's far different today.

>>127907570
What, the knowledge of how to fuck their cousins and spawn 10 babbies per wife? Or inbreed so much that well over half your numbers (which now numbers over one billion) are severely inbred and averaging around 80IQ.

>>127907570
>filed under
>shit we keep making up

>>127907570
It's pretty much true.
Arabs preserved much knowledge at the time and were patrons to a lot of leading scholars too.
The Golden Age of Islam was very real.
Then some doctrines came along that fucked up that push for knowledge and eventually radical Islam as we know it today was invented in the 20th century.
>>127907899
>renaissance during the 13th century
Wut?

>>127908434
This thinger:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_of_the_12th_century

I think I got it sort of wrong but ah well.

>>127908222
:D That's in part what makes it fishy!!

>>127908434
>radical Islam as we know it today was invented in the 20th century.

fucking dumb and I hear this way too much, wahab lived in the 18th century salafism itself has a long scholarly and political history in the muslim world from hanbal in the 9th century to ibn khuzaymah to ibn taymiyyah

>>127908434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
>Radical since Mohammed

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>>127907570
There was a time when Islam actually did encourage critical thinking and the pursuit of knowledge. At some stage they decided it was better to just chimp out and go back to banging rocks together and raping goats.

>>127908434
Total bullshit. In the late 8th century, the Saracens banned Christians and Jews from holding any positions which required reading and writing. The law was revoked within three years because there were not enough muzzies who could read and write to fill the positions. Since the late 9th century to today, there have been less books translated into Arabic than are translated into Spanish in one year.

Stop spreading bullshit lies, achmed.

>>127907570
The Greeks were the ones who kept all the classical knowledge. Europe had already made a lot of progress in technology after the classical shit was lost so when the Greek refugees from ERE/Byzantium came over with the old classical knowledge we combined the European homebrew with the Greek stuff creating a tech boom that quickly started Europe's ascent to technological ascendancy.

You fucking fucktarded imbeciles, the eastern roman (Byzantine) empire preserved the Greek knowledge, not the arabs. Even if some emperors were against Greek paganism.

In a certain sense kinda. Philosophically speaking, Arab/Islam was predominately Aristotelian - whereas European/Christian was platonic. Aristotle was looked down upon in euro countries until Thomas Aquinas's reconciled Aristotle with Christianity.

Thanks, I guess. Now fuck off back to your shithole. It's not like we didn't invent it in the first place. We can rediscover.

>>127910475
This.

Islam only advanced through conquest. Look at every great muslim empire, as soon as their conquest spree was stopped they went to shit and were thrown back to Africa/Middle East effortlessly a century later. Most advancements supposedly made by muslims were actually only spread to Europe by muslims. Islam was about as good at economic and scientific development as the Mongols were.

>>127910102
>>127910134
>>127910475
That's more like it /pol/!
So Bysantine empire being the stronghold seams pretty reasonable.
What about feudal Europe though, total shithole? My superego clings to a romantic ideal about monasteries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

Well the Islam of those days was different. While Jews were being protoholocausted by Europeans, Muslims treated them way better, even if not completely.

>>127911583
the cradle for the entire modern civilization you dumb spic, a shit hole of a cradle but still a cradle

>>127907570
Civilizations rise and fall for a variety of reasons. It is true that later Romans, then Byzantines (also Roman), and then Arabs and Turks under Islamic dogma preserved many classical works. It's not controversial. Of course that Islamic civilization didn't last past the 17th century or so. Even the Ottoman Turks were starting to break down by that point. It is, however, worth asking what makes those civilizations rise and fall to begin with?

>>127911863
Inventions from the Golden Age of Al Andalus

Note: Although these inventions were created on the Iberian Peninsula, that does not mean they were not made by people of Spanish heritage due to the area being part of the Islamic Empire.

Alcohol distillation
Animal Testing, first recorded use of animals for medical testing was done by Ibn Zuhr, known as Avenzoar, (1094–1162).
Antiseptics were in used as early as the 10th century in hospitals in Islamic Spain. Special protocols, in Al Andalus, were used to keep hygiene before and after surgery.
Botany, Spanish botanist, like Ibn al-Baitar, created hundreds of works/catalogs on the various plants in not only Europe but the Middle East, Africa and Asia. In these works many processes for extracting essential oils, drugs as well as their uses can be found.
Brass type movable printer press/first printing device in Europe, first invented in Muslim Spain 100 years prior to the invention of printing press, by Johannes Gutenburg of Germany, in 1454.
Ectopic pregnancy - first described by Al-Zahrawi (936–1013 AD).
Eye glasses, first invented by Ibn Firnas in the 9th century.[1]
Glass mirrors, used in Islamic Spain as early as 11th century – 200 years prior to the Venetians.
Inheritance of traits first proposed by Abu Al-Zahrawi (936–1013 AD) more than 800 years before Austrian monk, Mendel. Al-Zahrawi was first to record and suggest that hemophilia was an inherited disease.
Inhalation anesthesia, invented by al-Zahrawi and Ibn Zuhr. Used a sponge soaked with narcotic drugs and placed it on patients face.
Ligatures, described in the work of al-Zarawi (936–1013 AD), Kitab al-Tasrif, one of the most influential books in early modern medicine. Describes the process of performing a ligature on blood vessels.
Metronome, invented by Ibn Firnas (9th century)
Mercuric oxide, first synthesized by Abu al-Qasim al-Qurtubi al-Majriti (10th century).
Migraine surgery, first performed by al-Zahrawi (936–1013 AD)

>>127911504
Basically they conquered better people, and those people continued researching and inventing but under arrabic and muslime culture. Now THIS is cultural appropriation.

>>127912059
Haha my bad; I meant it in terms of knowledge: was Europe really "asleep"?

>>127911583
It developed just fine. Military innovation was especially widespread. Before Europeans got the classics back we had already conquered many pagan countries and even driven the Muslims from most of Iberia. The crusades happened during the period where Europeans were supposedly backwards.
Feudal Europe was fine. There were relatively few cities but it wasn't all doom and gloom with bad management like the Jews would have you believe. The Muslims had a 'golden era' around this time leading to widespread high crop yields. A couple of centuries later Muslims are starving while Europeans continue farming the land as usual. What actually happened was that Muslims learned intensive farming techniques which destroyed their fertile lands and turned much of it into desert.

Anyone who says that Muslims did a good job in anything tech related are either lying through their teeth or just plain retarded. Even today most Muslims live like primitives worse than even the dark ages peasants. There are a few entirely Western style cities that do alright. The rest is a backwater that hasn't changed for a millennia.

>>127912229
This is such bullshit. Just two off the top of my head:

Botany was started in Ancient Greece by Theophrastus, long before Muhammad was a glint in his goat fucking dad's eye.

Alcohol distillation goes back to at least Ancient China and maybe earlier.

Are you the same fag that posts all those bullshit inventions of sub-Saharan niggers?

>>127911583
Popular theory says western europe fell behind, but really it was more a lack of civic unity than technology going backwards. Without strong central authority no one was building mega cities or roads and bridges like the Romans could do with massive workforces of millions of people. But technology was still advancing, economic output per head was still generally a bit above the rest of the world and steadily climbing. Indeed what stopped the Mongols was the fact that Europe was literally just too well fortified to raid properly and use their 13th century equivalent of Blitzkrieg tactics on.

>>127911863
Will look into it. It seams way too good to be true desu, anticipating Fermat and Newton in the 1000's!?

>>127913260
Sorry comment was over 2000 characters.

Modern surgery. Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (936–1013 AD), better known in the west as Albucasis, is regarded as the father of modern surgery and is the most quoted surgeon of all times. Albucasis invented over 200 tools for use in surgery - many still in use today.
Pathology - various Muslim physicians in Spain were crucial in the development of modern medicine. Pathology, obviously was an important development in medicine. The first correct proposal of the nature of disease was described by al-Zahrawi and Ibn Zuhr.
Pharmacopoeia (book of medicine). During the 14th century, the physician from Malaga, Ibn Baytar, wrote a pharmacopoeia naming over 1400 different drugs and their uses in medicine. This book was written 200 years before the supposed first pharmacopoeia was written by German scholar in 1542.
Speed of sound, was proposed by physicist from Cordoba, Ibn Hazm (994–1064 AD). Ibn Hazm argued and calculated the speed of sound by echoes in the Mosque of Cordoba. He is also credited as being the first to propose that thunder was a production of lightening.
Spherical Earth Theory by Ibn Hazm (994–1064 AD).
Water and weight driven mechanical clocks, by Spanish Muslim engineers sometime between 900–1200 AD. According to historian Will Durant, a watch like device was invented by Ibn Firnas.

And yes the names they use are cheap pandering but the scientist and their achievements are very real.

You don't have to understimate how many things they used to do, just because you don't see that nobility of character today, it has always been a mixed bag, same with all empires.

>>127909304
Wahabism didnt have a significant following nor was it the same it is today.
By the 19th century it was mostly dead until the CIA revived it.
>>127911583
>more like it
Seems you let the memes get too close to your head even before you nade this thread. Did fact suddenly challenge your worldview so you came back to an echochamber to hear more of the same?

>>127913260
>Alcohol distillation goes back to at least Ancient China and maybe earlier.
Topkek

>>127913260
This. My big question is who the hell and why is taking the time to write history in Achmed's favor??

>>127913021
Incoming

"Since the hourglass was one of the few reliable methods of measuring time at sea, it has been speculated that it was in use as far back as the 11th century, where it would have complemented the magnetic compass as an aid to navigation. However, it is not until the 14th century that evidence of their existence was found, appearing in a painting by Ambrogio Lorenzetti 1328. The earliest written records come from the same period and appear in lists of ships stores. From the 15th century onwards they were being used in a wide range of applications at sea, in the church, in industry and in cookery. They were the first dependable, reusable and reasonably accurate measure of time. During the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan around the globe, his vessels kept 18 hourglasses per ship. It was the job of a ship’s page to turn the hourglasses and thus provide the times for the ship’s log. Noon was the reference time for navigation, which did not depend on the glass, as the sun would be at its zenith."

>>127913935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo
(again)

>>127907570
There were a lot of Muslim contributions to the sciences, but not Arab contributions. All those conquered people's in the Near East didn't become Arab overnight. A lot of Greeks and Colts and Egyptians and Syriacs and Persians took Arab names. As this segment of the population arabicized their productivity went down.

>>127907570
Anyone who talks shit about Islam is a Jewish shill and needs to GTFO from /pol/.

Assad and Iran are Muslim and they are based.

"The origin of the all-mechanical escapement clock is unknown; the first such devices may have been invented and used in monasteries to toll a bell that called the monks to prayers. The first mechanical clocks to which clear references exist were large, weight-driven machines fitted into towers and known today as turret clocks. These early devices struck only the hours and did not have hands or a dial. The oldest surviving clock in England is that at Salisbury Cathedral, which dates from 1386. A clock erected at Rouen, France, in 1389 is still extant, and one built for Wells Cathedral in England is preserved in the Science Museum in London."

UNKNOWN

>>127912317
Mostly, but also huge wealth due to looting let them fund extravagant things.

All of the caliphates were extravagantly wealthy once they started conquering stuff in places like Persia/Spain/ERE. But they were only really any good at extracting wealth, they couldn't maintain their economies without constant new conquests. Basically it was the ancient equivalent of a total war economy. An incredibly powerful war machine but if you lose once you're fucked.

>>127907570

They just transfer knowledge around and stored some shit like a temporary cultural hard drive.

>>127913708
My point is that at least a few, if not all, of your claims are easily proven falsehoods. For example, Aristotle did animal testing long before Al Andulas existed.

There is no point in denying that they made some advancements, but cucks like you keep overdramatizing just how great they were.

"In the 14th century the growth of maritime trade and the recognition that plague was introduced by ships returning from the Levant led to the adoption of quarantine in Venice. It was decreed that ships were to be isolated for a limited period to allow for the manifestation of the disease and to dissipate the infection brought by persons and goods. Originally the period was 30 days, trentina, but this was later extended to 40 days, quarantina. The choice of this period is said to be based on the period that Christ and Moses spent in isolation in the desert. In 1423 Venice set up its first lazaretto, or quarantine station, on an island near the city. The Venetian system became the model for other European countries and the basis for widespread quarantine control for several centuries."

"In 1268 Roger Bacon made the earliest recorded comment on the use of lenses for optical purposes, but magnifying lenses inserted in frames were used for reading both in Europe and China at this time, and it is a matter of controversy whether the West learned from the East or vice versa. In Europe eyeglasses first appeared in Italy, their introduction being attributed to Alessandro di Spina of Florence. The first portrait to show eyeglasses is that of Hugh of Provence by Tommaso da Modena, painted in 1352. In 1480 Domenico Ghirlandaio painted St. Jerome at a desk from which dangled eyeglasses; as a result, St. Jerome became the patron saint of the spectacle-makers’ guild. The earliest glasses had convex lenses to aid farsightedness. A concave lens for myopia, or nearsightedness, is first evident in the portrait of Pope Leo X painted by Raphael in 1517."

>>127914605
All abrahamic religions are shit tier
Anyone who says otherwise is a shill or has been brainwashed by shills

>>127915496
>1268.
>Roger Bacon.
Are you trolling mate?

>>127907570
>13:13
>"I have a question. Have you read 'The 13th Tribe'?"