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>commie thread
>spain

It doesn't surprise me. Stay out of USA.

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>>127890514
Hi Spainbro. Been reading Homage to Catalonia because of you.

>>127890514
If I can have a free MD-530f helicopter in communism, then I'm in. If not, fuck you.

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>>127890716

>>127890514
nah

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>>127890716

Well done comrade

>>127890787

Everything is free once me achieve communism

>>127890514
Franco did nothing wrong

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>>127891741

Typical magical thinking from a reactionary.

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How we feeling about Corbyn making a cheeky advance this week? Is he socialist enough?

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>>127891859

>pinkos accusing anyone of magical thinking

Tell me all about the wonders of collectivism and how you will take over the world any century now

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>>127890514

>>127892850

I want a revolution not a little temporary patch to the cappy system

>>127890514
>Hello Comrades.
>always the same spanish guy
What comrades?

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>>127895262
I thought the USSR was not a real socialist state and its misery could not be used as an argument to why socialism is bad?

How come after 50 years of undisputed communist ruling the USSR could never abolish money, comrade?

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>>127890514

>>127897527

Soviet socialism, particularly following the introduction of the first five-year plan under Stalin in the late 1920s, introduced a new and non-capitalist mode of extraction of a surplus. This is somewhat obscured by the fact that workers were
still paid ruble wages, and that money continued in use as a unit of account in
the planned industries, but the social content of these ‘monetary forms’ changed drastically. Under Soviet planning, the division between the necessary and surplus portions of the social product was the result of political decisions.

For the most part, goods and labour were physically allocated to enterprises by the planning authorities, who would always ensure that the enterprises had enough money to ‘pay for’ the real goods allocated to them. If an enterprise made monetary ‘losses’, and therefore had to have its money balances topped up with ‘subsidies’, that was no matter. On the other hand, possession of money as such was no guarantee of being able to get hold of real goods. By the same token, the resources going into production of consumer goods were centrally allocated. Suppose the workers won higher ruble wages: by itself this
would achieve nothing, since the flow of production of consumer goods was not
responsive to the monetary amount of consumer spending. Higher wages would
simply mean higher prices or shortages in the shops. The rate of production of a surplus was fixed when the planners allocated resources to investment in heavy industry and to the production of consumer goods respectively.

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>>127897755

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Isn't it weird how the biggest communist writer of all time never explained communism in its most simple aspects?

Most commies don't know, but communism before Marx was evidently delusional. Communists talked about how everyone should like in the same buildings and sleeping in the same rooms, and how they would work to turn the rivers into juice, how they would love each other so much and so on; the fact that they tried to explain communism, was exposing them as mentally insane.

So Marx came long, and realized that trying to imagine his communist fantasies would just make him look insane, so he made up an excuse to why theorizing or talking about a communist system would be "unscientific"; he then proceeded to almost never talk about communism as in a realistic prediction for the rest of his entire career.

We have the weird scenario where the most successful communist writer of all time was a guy who avoided to ever talk about how a communist society should look like and how it would solve problems. To believe in communism you must first give up in trying to logically explaining it, sinking your brain into pure nihilism, where you don't believe anything can be said to be true or false, and how good a system is depends on how good it makes you feel when you fantasize about it.

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>>127898339
You are so mental you posted something that doesn't even answers what I asked.
Also, remember how the five year plan was a catastrophic disaster that killed millions and most of its policies had to be backpedaled?

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>>127898866

I'm coming for your toothbrush.

my country was under communism regime and my parents and everybody here hates communism ,hates enver hoxha...i hope everybody who likes communism dies

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>>127900242
Is that your best reply to the fact that you can't even explain the ideology you believe in?

Do you mind explaining to me how could I possibly have the right or even just the information on how to vote on the costs other people will have to incur? How it would be even remotely possible to "democratize" the economy?

Or maybe you are just a fascist with a different identity politics, who wants a corporativist system of the USSR and then call it communism?

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>>127900867

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>>127900546

Nobody has lived under the communist society, what your parents lived was a socialist state within the USSR

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Have you ever thought about why they are so horrified by the idea of "fascist dictators" while simultaneously trying to excuse all the atrocities committed by the communist ones? Whether or not they admit it, these people are on some level deeply and painfully aware of their own weakness. Communism promises to bring everyone else down to their level. This is easy for them, because it requires little change on their part. They can continue to be the same weak, petulant, backstabbing drones they've always been, only now society will reward them for it. They will take the same joy reporting their neighbors to the secret police as they would reporting the ' crimethink they currently see on twitter. Human nature on the other hand requires something of them. It wants to build everyone up to a position of strength. The sam hyde meme "the weak fear the strong' is true. These people fear strength, they despise it. That is why they hate white culture and celebrate nigger "culture". More importantly, they despise the idea of making an effort to better themselves. The rallying cry of leftism is "do whatever makes you happy". Thus we have faggotry, trannies, rampant hedonism, debauchery, fornication, drug abuse, leeching off of welfare, going to college for useless degrees, and other myriad forms of degeneracy. Human nature requires more of a person. It requires you to grow and leave these childish things behind. It requires effort. It requires change. It requires that maybe you don't only do things that make you happy, but instead you sacrifice for the greater good. This is completely foreign to these self-absorbed entitled little twats. No handouts, if you don't work hard you go hungry this is antithetical to everything they are. no more doing whatever the fuck you want without consequence no more leaving messes for everyone else to clean up it is the rebellious child vs the strict parent the child cries out "i hate you" even as the parent feeds and clothes and cares for him

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>>127902951
Can you give me an explanation to your autistic code? I could throw the whole thing on google and actually get a result, and turns out you just copy and pasted everything from a thread on leftypol, and people in the thread you posted are LARPing hard and can't even begin to explaining it. So I doubt you will.

How can I vote on the costs other people should incur? How can a computer code allow me to do that? How can I cast a vote to force others to produce something for me? How is it remotely moral?

Seems like what you are trying to engage in can only be intrinsically nonsense.

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>>127904237

>>127902951
do you have this picture of miku without the shitty caption?

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>>127902951
Seems like commies always forget the subjective and marginal nature of value. Maybe because they still utilize an autistic economic framework that thinks value is objective that was rejected 100 years ago.

You can just turn the subjective valuations of people just by asking them what they want, because everyone wants more of everything and at a higher quality. There needs to be a limit to how much they can withdraw so their decisions convey meaning. So, to fix your glorious communist code, you would need to assign limited points to each person and to each resource so they can fairly value resources. You could also get rid of a lot of work just by instructing people to just produce the largest amount of points they can, because that would mean satisfying the demands of society the most. Then it would also be fairer and make sense to allow them to utilize those points, since they were the ones who supplied to society and made them. That way you don't even need to immorally force them to work on what society needs, it would just happen naturally.

Slowly you go fixing all the little problems from your original communist ideas, then you arrive in what could only be the ideal communist computer system: Amazon.com

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>you can't*
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